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101  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Bernie Sanders' "rape fantasy" essay on: January 21, 2016, 10:59:40 pm
BernieBots are worse than PaulBots.

Sanders supporters are like some sort of weird cult. I've actually read posts from them saying "believe in the magic" and all sorts of weird things. They think Sanders is some sort of supernatural being. Sick.
102  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Bernie Sanders' "rape fantasy" essay on: January 21, 2016, 10:31:22 pm
Doing one's job is a lot different than writing some creepy story.
103  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Bernie Sanders' "rape fantasy" essay on: January 21, 2016, 09:36:46 pm
Look, anyone who doesn't think this will be an issue in a general election is totally delusional. The GOP and the media are going to play wave after wave of this. They're going to make him totally toxic to suburban swing voters. Even conservative minority Democrats (and there are a hell of a lot of them) will think this rape-essay-writing atheist-Jew-socialist who honeymooned in the Soviet Union and admiringly waxed poetic about Fidel Castro on TV is a radical weirdo who they don't want in the White House.

Yeah, Jesus can you imagine?

Unflattering shot of Bernie Sanders, black & white, as an ominous synth drone plays

Sounding uneasy and concerned, a woman reads from the essay.

"A man goes home and masturbates his typical fantasy. A woman on her knees, a woman tied up, a woman abused.

"A woman enjoys intercourse with her man as she fantasizes being raped by 3 men simultaneously.

"The man and woman get dressed up on Sunday and go to Church, or maybe to their 'revolutionary' political meeting."

Full colour, upbeat music, TRUMP with his wife at Thanksgiving dinner or something, all smiling.

TRUMP: "This guy, he wants to rape women. It's disgusting and wrong. I love women. I have a beautiful wife and a beautiful daughter. I think they're terrific."

"Donald Trump. The only candidate who respects women. Make America Great Again."

I can completely see Trump running an ad like that and it would work.
104  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Bernie Sanders' "rape fantasy" essay on: January 21, 2016, 09:14:46 pm
If any other candidate had written this, Republican or Democrat, the Sandernistas would be screaming bloody murder about it.

It's fine to still like Sanders anyway, since he obviously doesn't believe stuff like this anymore and hasn't in a long time, but come on guys, just admit that you're giving Sanders a free pass that you wouldn't give anyone else.
105  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Bernie Sanders' "rape fantasy" essay on: January 21, 2016, 08:20:23 pm
This attack was a dud 6 months ago or whenever when it was tried against Bernie. But to be fair, it's not like you guys have anything else to attack Bernie with.

Meanwhile, no one has really attacked Hillary for her SoS / Clinton Foundation pay to play issues.

It's actually not a dud in a general election. Even having to explain such an essay is quite awkward and distracts from the actual issues.
106  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Bernie Sanders' "rape fantasy" essay on: January 21, 2016, 07:44:05 pm
If a Republican had written an essay like that in any context, the sort of people who support Sanders would be all over it. I think it's odd, but apparently it's okay for most people.
107  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Get 'em early. Fiorina ambushes pre-schoolers on field trip to botanical garden on: January 21, 2016, 02:35:54 pm
That is truly nuts. She has completely lost her mind.
108  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: The Democratic Party if Sanders loses in a landslide worse than '72/'84.... on: January 20, 2016, 09:17:01 pm
There will most certainly be many "I told you so" statements made, both subtle and direct. Sanders supporters will blame the voting machines, which are owned by Wall Street and produce "evidence" that shows widespread election fraud. Overall, the establishment will pick up the pieces in preparation for 2020 and the very progressive candidates would end up being limited to Kucinich status.
109  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is Joe Biden still viable? on: January 20, 2016, 07:17:20 pm
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The odds are going up now that Hillary will be indicted...
How will she be indicted if she only has weeks to live?

Torie is a silly person, so don't entertain her.
110  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Sanders now attacking Planned Parenthood and the HRC on: January 20, 2016, 03:02:14 pm
I think we are to the point in the campaign where Sanders is starting to sound like a broken record in his dedication to staying on message, regardless of the question. And of course, when you have little interesting to say beyond a few talking points, your answers don't always end up being the most polished. This is definitely a gaff and is ripe for an attack ad imo.

This exactly. Everything comes back to being about the "establishment" with him.
111  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Sanders now attacking Planned Parenthood and the HRC on: January 20, 2016, 02:48:07 pm
His comment about "establishment" just came off as bitter. He could have just said that not all endorsements are attainable and kept it moving.
112  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Sanders now attacking Planned Parenthood and the HRC on: January 20, 2016, 02:42:03 pm
What Sanders doesn't seem to get is that Clinton has had years of connections to various organizations and has for years had a broader point of view on various issues, where as he's only be focused on millionaires, banks, etc. It takes time to gain support and that is how the process has always worked. And assuming that he does become the nominee, he has to work with these groups in order to win the election. Burning down bridges is stupid, but Sanders seems to want to do that.
113  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Sanders now attacking Planned Parenthood and the HRC on: January 20, 2016, 01:55:33 pm
If Sanders hates the establishment so much, he should have run as an independent.
114  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Sanders now attacking Planned Parenthood and the HRC on: January 20, 2016, 01:20:17 pm
Whether or not it can be construed as an attack is debatable, but on it's surface it just comes off as him being bitter and that is not a good look in a presidential race.
115  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Sanders now attacking Planned Parenthood and the HRC on: January 20, 2016, 12:53:51 am
When you attack groups for not endorsing you, it doesn't really look good. It looks weak and immature.
116  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Reparations for AA too radical for Bernie Sanders on: January 19, 2016, 06:24:01 pm
If only he could apply logic to his health care plan. Clearly single payer has no chance at getting through Congress, yet he's pushing for it anyway.
117  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Ben Carson suspends campaign events on: January 19, 2016, 05:25:24 pm
I'm sorry, but I laughed when I read that. It was like a metaphor for a flop of a campaign.
118  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: I read Bernie's plan, and it is an unmitigated embarrassment to honesty on: January 19, 2016, 11:11:06 am

Population size has nothing to do with it. In fact, a smaller state would have it harder, because they'd have less clout negotiating things. Basically every other developed country has a better healthcare system than us. I'm sure the plan will have improvements between now and when ever it would hopefully be passed by Congress.

I don't see how it reflects on Bernie that some Hillary supporting governor who barely won re-election chickened out on it.

Population size means a lot when you consider cost overall, because less people equals a smaller budget to work with. The United States has over 300 million people, so cost and implementation would be an enormous challenge. Sanders would back down from his plan if he became President, because it's not realistic and it wouldn't pass Congress.
119  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: I read Bernie's plan, and it is an unmitigated embarrassment to honesty on: January 19, 2016, 01:12:04 am
The plan would create what amounts to an unfunded mandate, but Sanders isn't necessarily worried about paying for it, he's just worried about getting there. There is a reason that even Vermont dropped a plan for single payer; It's because the costs were simply too much and when you consider that Vermont is one of the smallest states population wise, that says quite a lot.
120  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Bernie vs. Donald - Who would win? on: January 18, 2016, 11:01:02 pm
If Sanders is the nominee, it changes the trajectory. Trump would not behave insanely as he has in the primary, he would go mainstream and make Sanders look like an incompetent who would bankrupt the country.
121  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Republican Operatives Are Trying to Help Bernie Sanders on: January 18, 2016, 10:04:53 pm
Sanders is much easier to beat.

Saunders has a better approval rating then Clinton among General Election Voters (see link http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/donald-trump-is-really-unpopular-with-general-election-voters/, their is a table with Dem.  approval ratings). I suspect the GOP wants the Dem. Primaries to last a couple months, even if Clinton wins she will have spent more of her campaign fund.



Approval ratings at this stage mean almost nothing, though. Sanders could easily be driven into the ground if he won the nomination. But, I agree that Republicans are trying to drag the primary more than anything else.

The only approval ratings for Bernie are 83-13, the highest approvals of any Senator.

http://morningconsult.com/2015/11/bernie-sanders-is-the-most-popular-senator-in-america/

Not surprising within his own home state. I won't argue that his approval will always be high in Vermont, because he's been elected statewide for 25 years. In general election campaign for president, there is no way he would sport an approval like that nationwide or in key swing states.
122  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Republican Operatives Are Trying to Help Bernie Sanders on: January 18, 2016, 09:33:09 pm
Sanders is much easier to beat.

Saunders has a better approval rating then Clinton among General Election Voters (see link http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/donald-trump-is-really-unpopular-with-general-election-voters/, their is a table with Dem.  approval ratings). I suspect the GOP wants the Dem. Primaries to last a couple months, even if Clinton wins she will have spent more of her campaign fund.



Approval ratings at this stage mean almost nothing, though. Sanders could easily be driven into the ground if he won the nomination. But, I agree that Republicans are trying to drag the primary more than anything else.
123  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Republican Operatives Are Trying to Help Bernie Sanders on: January 18, 2016, 09:32:17 pm
Sanders is much easier to beat.

Saunders has a better approval rating then Clinton among General Election Voters (see link http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/donald-trump-is-really-unpopular-with-general-election-voters/, their is a table with Dem.  approval ratings). I suspect the GOP wants the Dem. Primaries to last a couple months, even if Clinton wins she will have spent more of her campaign fund.



Approval ratings at this stage mean almost nothing, though. Sanders could easily be driven into the ground if he won the nomination. But, I agree that Republicans are trying to drag the primary more than anything else.
124  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Bernie vs. Donald - Who would win? on: January 18, 2016, 09:12:17 pm
Trump would win easily. Not because he's a good candidate, but because Sanders is a poor one. I don't think Sanders being vague with his plans and having little knowledge about other issues would go over well with the electorate. Trump would definitely tone down his rhetoric and focus on making Sanders look incompetent.
125  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Republican Operatives Are Trying to Help Bernie Sanders on: January 18, 2016, 09:01:58 pm
Sanders is much easier to beat.
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