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26  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: NC 2016 Gubernatorial Discussion Thread on: November 22, 2016, 09:16:44 pm
How do we have a functioning democracy when one of the two main political parties disdains democracy, and doesn't even try to hide it anymore?
But there are, nationally, Democratic protesters refusing to accept the results, chanting: "Not my President!"

Instead, it's the Republicans here chanting: "Not my Governor!"

Protesting is one thing, because the protesters are citizens who merely do not like who was elected. Using legislative power to elect someone who was not elected by the majority of voters is a different ball game. That is a violation of democracy and should not even be considered.
27  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Activists Urge Clinton Campaign to Challenge Election Results on: November 22, 2016, 09:11:14 pm
You know if Hillary was really has corrupt as she was labeled, several boxes of votes would have turned up by now and flipped the electoral college result. Her losing is proof that she's not the super villain that she was made up to be. Hillary is not going to challenge anything, because she is far too gracious to do that.
28  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump also looking to repeal Overtime Pay rules on: November 22, 2016, 07:23:18 pm
This is exactly why conservatives and Republicans are not champions of the working class even though they push that idea ad nauseum.
29  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump disavows alt-right, wants it looked into on: November 22, 2016, 04:44:22 pm
It's not the alt-right, it's the same old racist underground that has existed for years. If it walks like a duck, it's a duck. If it talks like a duck, it's a duck. If you still don't know this, then ***** WTF?
30  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Almost impossible to knock off a first term incumbent on: November 22, 2016, 04:28:22 pm
Warren has been talking reform for ages and is actually serious about reforming the system, so I think she'd be more of a threat than some people think. Plus, if CFPB and Dodd Frank are wiped out, she has a clear opening.
31  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: The Dems need an autopsy -- they are now a completely regional party. on: November 22, 2016, 12:48:34 pm
You're making no sense

I dropped knowledge on you and you can't refute it.
32  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: The Dems need an autopsy -- they are now a completely regional party. on: November 22, 2016, 12:44:57 pm
Blah, blah, blah. Sounds like you are trying to convince yourself of something more than anything else.

I'm still drunk on your tears
I'm not crying, but laughing at the prospect of the a huge recession that will impact the states that bought into Trump's garbage.

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Not very broad appeal. Dems are in no position to say that they represent the people as a whole.

How can you make that argument when they won 6 of the last 7 popular votes?

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And in 2018 they are facing a near death experience.

Not really, it's looking great for picking up a large number of gov seats, which is going to be the real prize in 2018.

You have 10 Senate seats up in now red states. Manchin will switch any day now.

What seats are you referring to?

He joined the Senate Democratic leadership, genius. With that said, midterms are horrible for the President's party, so don't expect many or any gains for Republicans.
33  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: The Dems need an autopsy -- they are now a completely regional party. on: November 22, 2016, 11:41:59 am
Blah, blah, blah. Sounds like you are trying to convince yourself of something more than anything else.
34  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Politico: Kellyanne Conway says Trump will not pursue charges against Clinton on: November 22, 2016, 11:36:29 am
You can't prosecute someone when you have no case. The President going down the rabbit hole of prosecuting an opponent is more detrimental to the President than anyone else. This isn't Trump being nice or letting Hillary get away with a bunch of hidden crimes, it's Trump's team telling him that he has no case to prosecute her.
35  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Remaining votes (Update: about 3-4 million ballots left to count nationwide) on: November 22, 2016, 11:15:48 am
The only arrests for election fraud were a woman in Iowa who voted twice (for Trump) and a woman in Illinois who filled out her dead husband's absentee ballot (for Trump). Seems to me the actual proven cases skew towards Trump, not Clinton.
36  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Almost impossible to knock off a first term incumbent on: November 22, 2016, 11:14:03 am
A 2 million vote popular vote deficits and decimal point wins in decisive states suggests that Trump is on thin ice. He's also got underwater approval unlike most incoming Presidents.
37  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Bruce Rauner in 2018 on: November 22, 2016, 11:06:13 am
In a midterm with a Republican President he'll need a lot of luck.
38  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump tweets: Nigel Farage should be UK ambassador to US on: November 22, 2016, 10:59:44 am
"Many people" [who?]
39  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: What do you think of Roy Cooper? on: November 22, 2016, 10:55:33 am
If McCrory steals the election from him, he'd be a top pick. Democrats could really rally behind someone who had an election stolen from him by a rogue, thuggish GOP.
40  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Can't imagine how this failed to resonate in the Rust Belt... on: November 21, 2016, 10:24:23 pm
Let's dispell the notion that anyone but hardcore political addicts have watched this video.

That's who it was for and for the people who are on social media. The fact that some people see it as some sort of attack on the working class goes to show how angry some people who follow politics can be.
41  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump also looking to repeal Overtime Pay rules on: November 21, 2016, 10:19:36 pm
That will be really helpful for working class voters. Say what you want, but Trump is a businessman with a history of not paying for work that has been done, so it would not be surprising if he did away with overtime pay.
42  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Federal court strikes down GOP-drawn maps (Wisconsin legislative map) on: November 21, 2016, 09:23:57 pm
Discrimination against partisans is a lot weaker argument than against race or ethnicity. We'll see.

The freedom of speech argument does make it sort of compelling, but it's hard to say what will happen. The thing is that you have clear extremes where Democratic voters are packed mostly into districts that vote extremely Democratic and it's not an issue of geography.
43  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Federal court strikes down GOP-drawn maps (Wisconsin legislative map) on: November 21, 2016, 05:49:35 pm
http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2016/11/21/federal-court-strikes-down-gop-drawn-maps/94233560/

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A panel of federal judges ruled 2-1 that the redistricting maps were "intended to burden the representational rights of Democratic voters throughout the (10-year) period by impeding their ability to translate their votes into legislative seats." Depending on the outcome of a likely appeal, the case could have national implications since it includes a new method of determining whether legislative maps amount to discrimination against voters of a particular party.

"We find that the discriminatory effect is not explained by the political geography of Wisconsin nor is it justified by a legitimate state interest. Consequently, Act 43 constitutes an unconstitutional political gerrymander," the decision reads.
44  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump pressed Argentina's president about stalled building project on: November 21, 2016, 05:19:33 pm
Sure, like Second Amendment people taking care of Clinton was a joke. There is no doubt at all that he's going to benefit from being President somehow, it's just a question of when and how.
45  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Are the Republicans eventually in trouble down the road? on: November 21, 2016, 04:06:56 pm
Yes, but they think that they have a permanent majority right now which even further reinforces the idea that they think they don't need to change.
46  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Can the Dems block Ryan from getting rid of Medicare and Medicaid? on: November 21, 2016, 03:18:27 pm
And my mother who survives on a dozen medications because she had an organ transplant and Medicare is the only thing making it affordable dies in the process? No.

The Dems need to block this even if it means four years of total gridlock. I am willing to trade every social issue for our social safety net. Or, back off totally on gun control in exchange. My mother will die, or at the very best go bankrupt, without Medicare. If the Dems allow this I will never vote Democrat again, because they will have violated everything they stood for. If they allow the Tea Party dream of repealing the 20th century to go through, I will see it as a betrayal.

I wasn't being completely serious. My point was that sometimes people will only realize an idea is terrible once they feel the consequences. That said, Medicare isn't going anywhere. There are enough self-serving politicians who will save it for reasons of optics.

That would be the stupid thing to do. Democrats need to let Ryan do just that and allow people to see the repercussions of what that elimination would do. Republicans have total control of the government, so let them make all the decisions and deal with the outcomes.

You expect all those impoverished rural Appalachian counties where everyone's on Medicaid and Trump won 70% of the vote to learn that elections have consequences?

Those places will never learn.

LOL, apparently neither will Democrats who wish to broaden their coalition...

Don't try it. Clinton flipped several counties that are critical to long term Democratic strategy, which is kind of the definition of broadening a coalition. If people in poor places continue to vote for a party that wants reckless cuts to the safety net, then that's their choice and Democrats can do nothing to change that.
47  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Melania not moving into White House on: November 21, 2016, 12:16:31 pm
So much for fiscal conservatism.
48  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Can the Dems block Ryan from getting rid of Medicare and Medicaid? on: November 20, 2016, 11:28:57 pm
And my mother who survives on a dozen medications because she had an organ transplant and Medicare is the only thing making it affordable dies in the process? No.

The Dems need to block this even if it means four years of total gridlock. I am willing to trade every social issue for our social safety net. Or, back off totally on gun control in exchange. My mother will die, or at the very best go bankrupt, without Medicare. If the Dems allow this I will never vote Democrat again, because they will have violated everything they stood for. If they allow the Tea Party dream of repealing the 20th century to go through, I will see it as a betrayal.

I wasn't being completely serious. My point was that sometimes people will only realize an idea is terrible once they feel the consequences. That said, Medicare isn't going anywhere. There are enough self-serving politicians who will save it for reasons of optics.

That would be the stupid thing to do. Democrats need to let Ryan do just that and allow people to see the repercussions of what that elimination would do. Republicans have total control of the government, so let them make all the decisions and deal with the outcomes.

You expect all those impoverished rural Appalachian counties where everyone's on Medicaid and Trump won 70% of the vote to learn that elections have consequences?

Those places will never learn.

What about Medicaid? Trump's 100 Day plan calls for block granting it to the states.

That is something that reallydepends on self-serving politicians. If there are Republicans in states that have benefited from Medicaid expansion who want to keep it to boost clout with constituents, then it has a chance.
49  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Can the Dems block Ryan from getting rid of Medicare and Medicaid? on: November 20, 2016, 11:14:55 pm
And my mother who survives on a dozen medications because she had an organ transplant and Medicare is the only thing making it affordable dies in the process? No.

The Dems need to block this even if it means four years of total gridlock. I am willing to trade every social issue for our social safety net. Or, back off totally on gun control in exchange. My mother will die, or at the very best go bankrupt, without Medicare. If the Dems allow this I will never vote Democrat again, because they will have violated everything they stood for. If they allow the Tea Party dream of repealing the 20th century to go through, I will see it as a betrayal.

I wasn't being completely serious. My point was that sometimes people will only realize an idea is terrible once they feel the consequences. That said, Medicare isn't going anywhere. There are enough self-serving politicians who will save it for reasons of optics.

That would be the stupid thing to do. Democrats need to let Ryan do just that and allow people to see the repercussions of what that elimination would do. Republicans have total control of the government, so let them make all the decisions and deal with the outcomes.

You expect all those impoverished rural Appalachian counties where everyone's on Medicaid and Trump won 70% of the vote to learn that elections have consequences?

Those places will never learn.
50  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Precinct map of Harris County, TX/Houston, TX on: November 20, 2016, 10:39:13 pm
None of this is really surprising considering that Clinton swung a lot of the college educated vote.
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