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26  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Chelsea Clinton joins the board of Expedia on: March 17, 2017, 10:07:29 pm
Why is this even a thread?
27  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: District Court, Splitting 2-1, Finds Texas Congressional Districts Violate VRA on: March 17, 2017, 07:15:21 pm
The court isn't going to order a map that doesn't comply with the VRA and not even the legislature would bother drawing that one, but even if they did draw a singular district in Hidalgo County, there would still be two more border districts. Besides, if you apply the compactness principle, it would have to apply to the rest of the state and you couldn't justify Travis County being in 5 different districts.
28  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Tomi Lahren Comes Out as Pro-Abortion on: March 17, 2017, 04:51:24 pm
This won't go over well with conservative viewers.
29  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2018 Senatorial Election Polls / Re: WI-Magellan (R): Baldwin +13 over Duffy, +14 over Clarke on: March 17, 2017, 04:42:51 pm
Baldwin will more likely than not benefit from a midterm environment and possibly from a weak opponent like Clarke.
30  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: GOP Govs (AR, MI, NV, & OH) send letter to McConnel opposing Trumpcare on: March 17, 2017, 01:44:25 pm
2 out of 3 have nothing to lose, because they are termed out. The bill would be a disaster for somewhere like Arkansas, so Hutchinson doesn't have much to lose either by opposing it.
31  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Donald Trump refuses to shake Angela Merkel's hand, makes mean faces at her on: March 17, 2017, 01:33:36 pm
Why is he still President? He should have been committed for insanity by now. But seriously, I'm guessing she probably doesn't even care about this, because it is what to expect from him.
32  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump's new budget will cut meals on wheels on: March 16, 2017, 08:32:53 pm
CDBGs actually go to housing and community programs where I live, because the council makes sure that they are used for only that.

Meals on Wheels is for seniors who are stuck in their homes, it's a good program and should continue. The cost of it is so not the reason why there is a deficit.
33  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: AmeriCorps, Senior Corps, & entire National Service org might be eliminated! on: March 16, 2017, 07:30:54 pm
Why don't they just shut the whole government down and let Trump's companies run everything?
34  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump adm. cuts....community poverty funds, Appalachian economy grants, etc etc on: March 16, 2017, 04:46:12 pm
West Virginia is one state that gets back more money than it puts into the federal government. It has had more deaths than birth within a span of a few years and has almost no one moving in. Put all that together and it's hard to believe that a large chunk of Republican voters aren't getting assistance.

In Kentucky, the highest welfare rate counties are over 80% Republican. In contrast, counties that swung Democratic were mostly in the top ten of per capita income.
35  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump adm. cuts....community poverty funds, Appalachian economy grants, etc etc on: March 16, 2017, 10:26:39 am
Seems pretty ungrateful to eliminate a commission for the area that supported you most.
36  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump slams Hillary and brings back "lock her up" chants at Nashville rally on: March 15, 2017, 10:54:48 pm

"Understanding reality" is how you get stuck with only $12 an hour when $15 is logically where it should go. "Understanding reality" is how you get stuck with someone who'll kowtow to disinterested relics like Joe Lieberman rather than nominate someone who'll hold 'em accountable. "Understanding reality" is how you look at demographics, favor them staying stable to your side, and do next to nothing to keep them on your side.

The reality is, you make it the reality before someone else makes their own and drowns everyone else out by gaslighting.

Try again.

I'm talking about the reality of single payer actually happening. The odds are incredibly low. Reality is understanding that no candidate is going to support 100% of everything you want, but is still the best bet for governing.. We might have seen a minimum wage increase under Hillary, but it's doubtful that will occur under Trump.
37  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump slams Hillary and brings back "lock her up" chants at Nashville rally on: March 15, 2017, 10:44:47 pm

I never supported Trump. You do realize that millions of people didn't vote for either Hillary or Trump, right?

I don't buy that, but it's your business.
38  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump slams Hillary and brings back "lock her up" chants at Nashville rally on: March 15, 2017, 10:41:05 pm
Hey, Trump. Hillary said that single payer will never ever happen. Why don't you stick it to her and make it happen?

It isn't ever going to happen and that is reality. If you want single payer, move to a country that has it.

I'm not voting for anyone who isn't at least open to trying.

How do you propose passing anything resembling single payer as long as Democrats have fewer than 60 members in the senate?  Do you want to nuke the filibuster for legislation?

Did Hillary say that there will never ever be 60 Democrats in the Senate?


Hey, Trump. Hillary said that single payer will never ever happen. Why don't you stick it to her and make it happen?

It isn't ever going to happen and that is reality. If you want single payer, move to a country that has it.

I'm not voting for anyone who isn't at least open to trying.

And that is why people like you should stay out of the political process. You have no place in it if you don't understand reality.

Talking down to progressives worked so well for you neoliberals last year, so keep it up!

You aren't a progressive. You are one of the folks that supported Trump because of his rhetoric. You aren't fooling anyone.
39  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump slams Hillary and brings back "lock her up" chants at Nashville rally on: March 15, 2017, 10:37:07 pm
Hey, Trump. Hillary said that single payer will never ever happen. Why don't you stick it to her and make it happen?

It isn't ever going to happen and that is reality. If you want single payer, move to a country that has it.

I'm not voting for anyone who isn't at least open to trying.

And that is why people like you should stay out of the political process. You have no place in it if you don't understand reality.
40  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will he attend his successor's inauguration? on: March 15, 2017, 10:35:28 pm
The better question is if he would concede defeat.
41  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump slams Hillary and brings back "lock her up" chants at Nashville rally on: March 15, 2017, 10:31:56 pm
Hey, Trump. Hillary said that single payer will never ever happen. Why don't you stick it to her and make it happen?

It isn't ever going to happen and that is reality. If you want single payer, move to a country that has it.
42  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Federal Judge HALTS new travel ban nationwide on: March 15, 2017, 06:16:29 pm
Time to move on, folks. Let's focus on jobs, economy and quality of life.

It's Trump who is focusing on all this, so you should be telling him and his party to move on.
43  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Oklahoma police investigating why State Senator was in hotel with teenage boy on: March 15, 2017, 05:50:55 pm
It's Oklahoma, so it's not surprising that they would have a law about prostitution within so many feet of the church. The real horrifying thing is that an adult man was in a hotel room with a teenager.
44  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Fear of diversity, not economic anxiety, caused Obama voters to switch to Trump on: March 14, 2017, 11:20:11 pm
The fear is that people who do not look like them are taking their jobs. Jesse Helms' "Hands" played on this. Trump spoke directly to this sort of fear.

     They wouldn't be any less afraid if the jobs were being outsourced to France. It is a matter of pure happenstance that the jobs are being outsourced to places like Mexico where the people "do not look like them".

In the context of Trump's campaign, he used people who didn't look like his target constituency as the villain. If you have an issue with the word look, then one could say people who aren't likethem, but it all boils down to the same equation.
45  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Tax Returns Coming Tonight? on: March 14, 2017, 10:48:07 pm
There is more to the returns that Trump wants the public to know. If anything this release makes it harder for Trump to claim that the liberal media is lying on him should something more damning show up. If there is information that is damaging, it wouldn't be released now, it would be released closer to elections.
46  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Schumer threatens government shutdown if GOP includes Wall in budget on: March 14, 2017, 09:22:02 pm
The wall is a billion dollar boondoggle and it can be easily framed as that. There won't be a shutdown, but there will be a good case against spending billions on a wall that is nearly impossible to build logistically.
47  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Tax Returns Coming Tonight? on: March 14, 2017, 09:12:05 pm
Your average Joe looked at what Rachel presented tonight and went: "Huh guess Trump pays taxes and makes millions...good businessman."

I swear to god Trump will win reelection based solely on the complete and utter incompetence of liberals.

By 2020, the glorified "Average Joe" won't be enough to get Trump re-elected. Of course, he could cancel the election and get away with it. Who knows?


If you are going to attempt to use a meme, it should be clear what your point is. Make your point directly.

1. You apparently think there's a remotely realistic chance that not only could Trump cancel the election in 2020, but that he'd "get away with it." That's laughably absurd.

2. You went out of your way to describe the "Average Joe" as "glorified," thereby casting them in a negative light. This is the antithesis of the type of attitude Democrats need if we have any desire to win future elections by comfortable margins and implement real progressive reforms.

For those two reasons - particularly the first - I used that meme as my response. Your post was simply ridiculous.

1. Trump is not a normal President and he doesn't really like rules, so there is no telling what he might attempt.

2. Yes, I said glorified, is there a problem? No citizen of any demographic is any better than any other and we need to stop acting like that. Everyone is equal.
48  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Tax Returns Coming Tonight? on: March 14, 2017, 09:03:24 pm
Your average Joe looked at what Rachel presented tonight and went: "Huh guess Trump pays taxes and makes millions...good businessman."

I swear to god Trump will win reelection based solely on the complete and utter incompetence of liberals.

By 2020, the glorified "Average Joe" won't be enough to get Trump re-elected. Of course, he could cancel the election and get away with it. Who knows?


If you are going to attempt to use a meme, it should be clear what your point is. Make your point directly.
49  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Fear of diversity, not economic anxiety, caused Obama voters to switch to Trump on: March 14, 2017, 09:02:17 pm
The fear is that people who do not look like them are taking their jobs. Jesse Helms' "Hands" played on this. Trump spoke directly to this sort of fear.
50  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Tax Returns Coming Tonight? on: March 14, 2017, 08:51:38 pm
Your average Joe looked at what Rachel presented tonight and went: "Huh guess Trump pays taxes and makes millions...good businessman."

I swear to god Trump will win reelection based solely on the complete and utter incompetence of liberals.

By 2020, the glorified "Average Joe" won't be enough to get Trump re-elected. Of course, he could cancel the election and get away with it. Who knows?
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