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76  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: New Video of Planned Parenthood Delivering Live Baby and Killing For Brain Tissu on: August 19, 2015, 07:28:39 pm
If three red states weren't able to turn up anything in an investigations, it's hard to see how there is much truth this whole Planned Parenthood story.

If you shut down Planned Parenthood, abortion will not go away. You'll just end up with illegal abortions and more STIs.
77  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Kasich: I would ban teachers' lounges on: August 19, 2015, 07:14:55 pm
How this person has stans, I will never understand.
78  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Possible three-way race, Clinton/Bush/Trump on: August 19, 2015, 10:49:30 am
79  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Marco Rubio hates children on: August 18, 2015, 09:06:57 pm
Would have been better had the kid gotten up and said, "what the hell is a matter with you dummy hitting me in my gotdamned head like that!"
80  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Huckabee to hold fundraiser in West Bank settlement on: August 18, 2015, 10:23:52 am
As long as the money doesn't come from foreign sources, it's legal to hold a fundraiser anywhere in the world.
81  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: All the Electable Republicans Are Losing on: August 18, 2015, 10:10:10 am
Remember, this has happened with Senate primaries, so it was bound to potentially happened with a Presidential one.
82  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Why Biden is the best candidate Democrats have if he runs on: August 18, 2015, 12:11:36 am
I don't get why Republicans are so anxious to keep Hillary from being the nominee.
83  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Kentucky coal town blasts GOP for blocking Obama aid program on: August 17, 2015, 07:38:28 pm
It won't hurt them in the least bit, this sort of thing never does.
84  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Walker joins Trump, calls for ending birthright citizenship on: August 17, 2015, 05:11:16 pm
Will this require a constitutional amendment??

Only if one considers the spawn of foreign nationals to be subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. (A contradiction in terms)
I guess that makes me a "spawn of foreign nationals", considering that neither of my parents were citizens when I was born in America? What party are you part of, anyways? Millard Fillmore's Know-Nothings?


I just lost a ton of respect for Walker.

I know nothing about your or any other poster's personal circumstances, as you are just a blue map of Connecticut as far as I know.

In any case, I fail to see why opposition to granting citizenship to those who do not even have permission for residency merits such righteous indignation.
You are punishing children for their parent's perceived transgressions.  How would a newborn even get permission to be a resident in the United States?

The answer to that hypothetical question is that they don't need to.  Our constitution makes clear that if this country is your birthplace, you have a right to call it home.  Being born here is 'permission' enough, and that is how it should be.

The hypothetical pregnant mother did not have permission to reside in the United States, which presumably extends to the contents of her uterus as well. The passage of time does not change the situation. If this is punishing children for their parents' transgressions, than taking a necklace from an infant child that her mother stole from a jewelry store would fall under the same category.

That doesn't make much sense as a comparison. Recovering stolen merchandise from an infant is not the same as revoking or denying citizenship. By that logic, the infant would have to be charged with receiving and possession of stolen merchandise.
85  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary Clinton email megathread on: August 17, 2015, 03:48:42 pm
If a Republican was in a same position, I'd be skeptical to declare them ready to be sent to prison based on the information. There were plenty of things that liberals and progressives thought would be pay dirt against Bush, but in the end turned out to be nothing.
86  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary Clinton email megathread on: August 17, 2015, 03:39:51 pm
There's some serious denial going on here about just how big a deal this is. There's a decent chance that the Democratic frontrunner could end up under federal indictment during this election season. Even Ted Cruz could win under those circumstances.

We have people here posting that this story is nothing, or nothing but partisan slander, or whatever. You'd better wake up. This is going to be huge.

It's amazing how partisan loyalty can make people defend the worst things, you know.

This is the thought that I had when those WMDs didn't show up after the invasion of Iraq. There are still people out there who insist the the weapons were moved to Syria at the last minute.
87  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary Clinton email megathread on: August 17, 2015, 03:35:30 pm
During his term, Colin Powell used an outside email address as well, so it clearly wasn't illegal for the Secretary of State to use one.
88  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Walker joins Trump, calls for ending birthright citizenship on: August 17, 2015, 03:15:11 pm
I suppose Walker had to say something that could give a potential boost, since Trump could very well carry Iowa. Iowa is a must win for Walker.
89  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Donald Trump lays out immigration plan on: August 17, 2015, 03:05:11 pm
Ok well you could just read the linked article, where it gives specifics:

"Trump also explained how he would force the Mexican government to bankroll a wall along the southern border.

If Mexico refuses to pay for the wall, a Trump administration would begin charging additional fees to Mexicans who come into the U.S. on visas or with border crossing cars -- particularly for visas to "Mexican CEOs and diplomats," which Trump would cancel "if necessary." Trump's plan also calls for possible tariffs and foreign aid cuts and would seize "all remittance payments derived from illegal wages.""

Good proposal.


THAT still wouldn't force them to build the wall, there isn't enough burden there for them to foot the bill for a wall. Considering that there are probably business interests in the US that would deal with businesses in Mexico, there would be some opposition from the business community here. He can have a plan, but if it fails, I'd like to see him force Mexico to foot the bill.
90  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Donald Trump lays out immigration plan on: August 17, 2015, 11:22:43 am
I'm interested in how he would make Mexico pay for building a wall. Usually trying to make another country do something has poor results.
91  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Opinion of this image on: August 17, 2015, 01:16:39 am
I would imagine that anyone with concern about GMOs would know where to get non-GMO food, which is mostly in health food stores. An expensive labeling mandate could get passed on to the consumer, which would not be beneficial to those in lower incomes looking to buy fresh produce.
92  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Spouses/significant others of the likely 2016 candidates on: August 16, 2015, 10:36:03 pm
Trump's son looks like a turd in that picture.

Considering who his father is that makes complete sense.
93  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Should Hillary Step Aside for Biden? on: August 16, 2015, 09:51:59 pm
Why are you people so anxious for her to get out of the race? If she was such a problem, wouldn't you want her to stay in the race so that the Republican nominee had a better chance? Please, sit yourself down, child.

I've noticed you seem to go around having an obsession with making empty insults/peasant-like insults to random users on Atlas. You should probably cut that out, nobody sees you as quite that hot of stuff now come on be reasonable. Don't be a keyboard warrior on a political forum.

It's really not that serious, it's only humor. Silly posts get that sort of response. Don't get so upset about it.
94  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Should Hillary Step Aside for Biden? on: August 16, 2015, 09:50:34 pm
She hasn't even started campaigning yet.

And? She broke federal law.

Says who? The voices in your head are not a valid source.

Pretty sure mishandling classified information is a federal offense.

There hasn't been an investigation that has proven that.

Are you deluded? It has been proven that she had 60 and probably more classified emails in her private server. That IS a problem.

I'm not seeing where there has been an indictment or any actually declaration that anything illegal occurred.

If someone was murdered but it was never declared murder would it not be a problem?
Like any crime, a murder has to be proven beyond speculation.

It wasn't illegal for her to have a private server for emails while Secretary of State.
95  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Should Hillary Step Aside for Biden? on: August 16, 2015, 09:45:15 pm
She hasn't even started campaigning yet.

And? She broke federal law.

Says who? The voices in your head are not a valid source.

Pretty sure mishandling classified information is a federal offense.

There hasn't been an investigation that has proven that.

Are you deluded? It has been proven that she had 60 and probably more classified emails in her private server. That IS a problem.

I'm not seeing where there has been an indictment or any actually declaration that anything illegal occurred.
96  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Should Hillary Step Aside for Biden? on: August 16, 2015, 09:42:57 pm
She hasn't even started campaigning yet.

And? She broke federal law.

Says who? The voices in your head are not a valid source.

Pretty sure mishandling classified information is a federal offense.

There hasn't been an investigation that has proven that.
97  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Should Hillary Step Aside for Biden? on: August 16, 2015, 09:38:57 pm
She hasn't even started campaigning yet.

And? She broke federal law.

Says who? The voices in your head are not a valid source.
98  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Should Hillary Step Aside for Biden? on: August 16, 2015, 09:33:11 pm
Why are you people so anxious for her to get out of the race? If she was such a problem, wouldn't you want her to stay in the race so that the Republican nominee had a better chance? Please, sit yourself down, child.
99  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Primary Election Polls / Re: Fox News (8/11-8/13): Trump maintains a wide lead, Bernie surging on: August 16, 2015, 07:46:32 pm
The problem with comparing this cycle to 2008 is that Bernie Sanders is not Obama.
...okay? Nice commentary, I guess?

They are both different types of candidates. As already mentioned, Obama reach was broader. He had progressive support, but he tapped into moderate support as well.
100  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump releases detailed immigration policy paper on: August 16, 2015, 07:24:49 pm
This is more detailed than anything Romney put out in the 6 years he ran for President.

Mitt Romney never lied about illegal immigration to my knowledge though.

Look, we need a temporary worker program, we need a pathway to legal status, we need employment verification, and we should get rid of sanctuary cities. The only person who should be deported is Melania Trump because she contributes nothing to American society. Seriously though, this has been used as an issue for people like Ted Cruz who need to rely on winning the votes of the scared and ignorant, and it's been used by the Democrats to try and win over immigrants by giving them gifts.

I'm beginning to think that you are actually Jeb Bush. This is too much panic for just a supporter, this is how a candidate would lose it. Calm down, John Ellis, it will be okay.
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