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1  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVI: Sidejackin' it in the Train Room. on: July 30, 2014, 04:32:57 pm
I'm home from the two interviews.  First one was a bust.  They were selling life insurance and union benefits to gullible union members.  I sat and listened to the 45 minute presentation (time I will never get back), but when it was time to give our thoughts on the feedback form and if we wanted to pursue this, I got up and walked out.  I've done life insurance before.  Been there.  Done that.   Almost got the t-shirt.  The second interview took a whopping 3 minutes - 2 minutes 30 seconds of that waiting.  Since I had previously applied to that staffing agency for other positions, all he did was take my name and number and submit my name to the actual client.  I've never heard back from this particular staffing agency on any of the jobs I applied for, so I'm still not sure they don't have phantom job openings.  All in all, I think today was a bust.  Not to mention it was pouring down rain the entire time.  I got soaked to the bone for nothing...  Oh well, at least I didn't fall for that life insurance.   To be quite honest, it sounded like a slightly better version of Ameriplan.

Here's something that is confusing to me: how do you not know what you're ping to be interviewing for until you're there? I can see keeping the name of a company confidential until you're deeper in the hiring process if you're working through a recruiter, but to not even know what the job is? How is that possible? You are at a point, Jeff, where you shouldn't be getting surprised in interviews. It's probably best that you don't respond to the vague postings that promise the potential of high wars and don't say what you'll be doing. It's best to work directly through a company's HR department, find roles on their websites and not on job boards, and work through recruiters, not staffing agencies.

I have worked with Recruiters and staffing agencies in the past (though didn't land a job through them).  When I used them, there were times I knew the potential employer, there were times I didn't, but I always had some type of knowledge of what the position was about, what in entailed, etc through the conversation I had over the phone prior to the inrerview, as well as the job posting itself.
2  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVI: Sidejackin' it in the Train Room. on: July 30, 2014, 01:25:56 pm
Bushie actually being critical of an interview and not saying it's the best job ever? Wow.


To borrow from his namesake, could Bushie be turning a corner??
3  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVI: Sidejackin' it in the Train Room. on: July 29, 2014, 04:31:21 pm
has anyone mentioned it would be much more efficient to apply online?  oh yeah, almost everyone has suggested that...

I do that, too, but there are some cases where face-to-face interactions have not gone out of style.  How do you possibly get immediate interviews when you apply at home?  That kind of thing does happen.

No job that is going to be worth taking will be likely to give an immediate interview.

That's the only job I applied for in person today.  I've applied for about 5-6 more online.  Have face-to-face interactions really gone obsolete?

That type of stuff might exist in the fly by night companies, the call centers, or if your looking for a retail or restaraunt type of job.  However, if you are looking for some office job, it really doesn't exist.

Granted it is a completely different company and area then what you would be doing, but I use to work in Manhattan for a major bank/financial firm.  You wouldn't get past security in the lobby if you didn't have someone from the company okay it.  This is the same in many companies in NYC.  You aren't going to be buzzed up by going to security and say hey I have a resume to drop off.  F

Any back office type of job you would potentially work in likely wouldn't have that type of stuff (though perhaps in the heart of downtown OKC or Tulsa, that type of security is possible).  However, even if you go into an office you would be extremely unlikely to get anywhere beyond handing your resume to a Receptionist which may or may not make it to a HR dept or hiring manager.
4  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVI: Sidejackin' it in the Train Room. on: July 29, 2014, 03:55:12 pm
has anyone mentioned it would be much more efficient to apply online?  oh yeah, almost everyone has suggested that...

I do that, too, but there are some cases where face-to-face interactions have not gone out of style.  How do you possibly get immediate interviews when you apply at home?  That kind of thing does happen.

No job that is going to be worth taking will be likely to give an immediate interview.
5  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: Imagine that New York and New Jersey were trending GOP over the next 10 years on: July 29, 2014, 11:53:12 am
Can you stop.
No, it's a good question. A Republican who appeals to independent voters can capture New Jersey or New York, depending on the Democratic nominee.

Lol, no
6  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Polls on Same-Sex Marriage State Laws on: July 29, 2014, 11:01:02 am
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A federal appeals court ruling striking down Virginia's ban on same-sex marriage is reverberating across the state's border.

Roy Cooper, North Carolina's Democratic attorney general, said at a Monday press conference that he would no longer defend his state's constitutional ban, citing the precedent the Virginia ruling had set.

"Our attorneys have vigorously argued this case every step of the way," Cooper said. "But the 4th Circuit has ruled and the 4th Circuit is clear. There are really no arguments left to be made."

[...]

A lawsuit challenging North Carolina's ban had been put on hold pending the appeals court ruling.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/28/north-carolina-gay-marriage_n_5628129.html





For support and legality of same-sex marriage.

White -- same-sex marriage legal or has at the least been enacted. No further distinction.

Green -- same-sex marriage not legal, but more popular than unpopular or plurality support for legalization of SSM

65% or higher -- deep green (90% saturation)
60.0 - 64.9%  -- dark green  (70% saturation)
55.0 - 59.9%  -- medium green (50% saturation)
50.0 - 54.6% --  light green (30% saturation)
below 50% but positive -- aqua (20% saturation)

tie -- yellow

above 45.0% but negative -- hot pink (30% saturation)
40.0 - 44.9% -- medium red (50% saturation)
35.0 - 39.9%  -- ruby (60% saturation)
30.0 - 34.9%  -- maroon (70% saturation)
under 30% -- deep red  (90% saturation)

In view of the decisions of the 4th Federal Circuit Court, tan for states in which states have until August 18, 2014 in which to appeal the decision:  





Not sure why you made NC white, Cooper has stated he will no longer defend the legal challenges to the law in court, but same-sex marriage is still not legal in N.C
7  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVI: Sidejackin' it in the Train Room. on: July 28, 2014, 10:00:12 pm
Custodian may be tough, given the physical concerns you've discussed, although there are usually administrative positions at schools ... few, though, where you wouldn't have to interact with horrible children and their even-worse parents.

I was thinking something like this may be more appropriate: https://careers-postacutemedical.icims.com/jobs/2063/charge-entry-clerk/job?mode=job&iis=Job+Board+-+Indeed.com&iisn=Indeed.com&mobile=false&width=543&height=500&bga=true&needsRedirect=false

Granted, that's based on two minutes of research, so listen to the rest of the community if they say it's bunk.

As long as Bushie can type decently I think that would be a good fit.
8  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVI: Sidejackin' it in the Train Room. on: July 28, 2014, 09:54:00 pm
I think I'm going to hold off on the call center I am thinking about.  I just found an article on our CBS affiliate's website for all sorts of roles with the Tulsa Public Schools.  Not just teaching.  Naturally, I'm not licensed to teach, but I could probably be a custodian or something.  What do you all think? The job fair is next Monday, August 4 at 13:00.

Look at www.newson6.com for the article.


I would basically look for anything that isn't sales/ call centter or something that requires physical labor or fitness.  A school Custodian would also fix things, stand on latters, etc, wouldn't they?
9  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVI: Sidejackin' it in the Train Room. on: July 28, 2014, 09:23:45 pm
Let me pop in here again and say that I'm not mad at anybody here.  Smash did a good job in calming me down via PM.  I'm naturally not going to discuss what he said to me, but he did a good job of calming me down.

The fact is everybody here has made mistakes, both on my end and on the advice-giving.  You all expect me to fess up which is hard to do, and I expect you to fess up from time to time which is hard to do.  We're pretty much a bunch of hard-headed and somewhat egotistical men that make mistakes.

Let's drop the mental issue for now, if we may.  I'm simply not going to do it.  You can imagine the stigma when you tell your family and friends you are seeking help because an internet forum told you to.  They would tell you you've lost your mind, completely.

On the employment issue.  The object right now is to get a paycheck, even if that is customer service.  I have pretty much decided against the interview I had scheduled for tomorrow.  J-Mann and Smash did a good job of that, as well, because of the majority sales aspect.  However, there is another call center that I am going to look at tomorrow.  This is with a big-name company.  It's likely a job where I will be hired on the spot, but I think it will have more structure, which was my biggest reason for leaving the job I was at.  I firmly believe that I can do well in call centers if I just put my mind to it.  The calls no longer frighten me as they once did.  I can fix my attendance issues with a little hard work and dedication.  Again, my goal is to make this unemployment a very short one.  I do not want to drag this out any longer than it has to.  I know I have just given you the definition of insanity, but I've got to do what I think is best for me, even if that is an unconventional approach.  The possibility exists that I may fail yet again.  I realize that.  I still think, though, there is merit to the strategy that my parents and I are deploying.


Bushie, I'm glad I was able to get you to calm down.  However, you really need to actually start to listen, you are still refusing to do that.  -Mann's last post summed it up perfectly.
10  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVI: Sidejackin' it in the Train Room. on: July 28, 2014, 07:23:11 pm
Bushie, have you looked at what J-Mann and myself sent you regarding this job?
11  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Could Sarah Palin be the 2016 nominee? on: July 28, 2014, 05:11:30 pm
I don't think she runs and doubt she has much of a chance at the nomination if she does.  However, if she does run and gets the nomination she will get ABSOLUTELY DESTROYED in a General.
12  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVI: Sidejackin' it in the Train Room. on: July 28, 2014, 04:28:19 pm
To answer Walter, I did give them a 3-days notice, but I was relieved of my duties right then and there.  I expected that.

I wish not to disclose the name of the company I am interviewing with on account of Mondale.  I will not disclose the name via PM, either.  All I will say it is in Midtown Tulsa.  And, it is directly with the company, not a staffing agency.  It is customer service, but that's all I will say.

I also called and re-activated two staffing agencies that are looking for me help desk and CAD jobs.  I've been working with these agencies since March when I first thought of moving to Tulsa.

Bushie,

Obviously due to Mondale, it makes no sense to disclose it on the forum, however I think it is in your best interests to let a few of us do some reesarch on it considering some of the situations you have gotten yourself into.  It would be better if you do it prior to the interview so we can help give you a better idea, questions to ask, etc, however if not prior to the interview at least prior to accepting any potential offer (and this goes for this or any other place as well, not just this interview)
13  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVI: Sidejackin' it in the Train Room. on: July 28, 2014, 03:59:36 pm
Just like that, I've scored my first interview tomorrow at 13:30.

I would suggest sending a few people in pm the name of the company and link to the ad, so we can do the research you will refuse to do.
14  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVI: Sidejackin' it in the Train Room. on: July 28, 2014, 09:13:59 am
What on earth is a "3 days notice"? You're supposed give at least two week's notice.

Expect to be escorted out of the building again, Jeff.

A 3 days notice is what they request.  They don't require a full 2 weeks.  This was explained to us the first day.

I have made my decision after sleeping on it and I'm going to make the unpopular decision of pulling the plug and then get started on the job search as soon as I get back home.

WTF
15  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVI: Sidejackin' it in the Train Room. on: July 27, 2014, 10:15:27 pm
Basically, folks, I am listening to all of your concerns and I am mulling over all of my options right now.  You guys are bringing up valid arguments and I've spent the past little while trying to talk myself into hanging onto the job and at least trying to look in the evenings and do what has been discussed here.  I'm also mulling over my options if I take my parents' advice to quit, figuring out what my first moves would be.  I have already found one job fair I can go to anytime this week Tuesday-Friday.  Then again, if I held onto this job, at least I would have a paycheck coming in.  It is money in the bank for now and I can get on the phones and do the best I can.  There are pros and cons to both decisions.  The cons of hanging onto this job is I might potentially miss out on some opportunities just by not being available to interview at a moment's notice.  The cons of quitting is that I run the risk of being out of a job for quite some time.  The pros of hanging onto this job is the aforementioned paycheck, but also that some employers prefer someone who already is working as opposed to someone who is sitting at home during the day looking.  The pros of quitting now is I can go all-in on the job search immediately once I get home.  I have a big decision to make.

No one interviews on "a moment's notice" for jobs. You could "go all-in on the job search" already if you didn't spend all your evenings and weekends watching baseball and visiting your parents all the time.

Hell, he could apply for jobs as he has the baseball game.  Also, exactly right on  the moments notice thing.  That simply isn't done.  If someone is calling you for an inerview it isn't like they are going to have the position filled by the next day.  You call back, set up a time within a few days, take a half day and go to the interview.  That is how it works Bushie, that is what employers do.
16  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVI: Sidejackin' it in the Train Room. on: July 27, 2014, 09:30:18 pm
You know what guys, I don't have to listen to this crap anymore.  I'm going back to politics for a while.

Bushie, with all due respect you need to learn to face your issues and not go run and hide, as well as how to take criticism.  We are making an attempt to help get you out of a situation that has often been self inflicted.  However, instead of learning from your mistakes, listening to others, and taking heed of others advice and yes criticism, you don't.  You get all defensive, ignore otherr peoples advice, refuse to make any changes, refuse to learn from your mistakes job wise and healthwise  or any of that.

 You have a bunch of people here giving you advice, giving you pointers, and instead of taking that advice, you do the opposite and expect everyone to simply accept it and not question you or say it was wrong.  It is quite frustrating when we have tried to help you, some going way above and beyond (J-Mann in particular) and it simply gets ignored

  On top of that, look at your recent posts about this job and your situation.  Does it make any sense for things to change that quickly multiple times over a short period of time??  At first I thought you may have been not telling the whole truth to us or simply lying because you didn't want to hear it.  Now, I think it is bigger than that.  You simply aren't being honest with yourself, so instead you decide to come up and latch on to every excuse possible.

Yoy are dead broke, DEAD BROKE, and yes you are in a job that is a bad fit and likely won't last.  That means you hunt for another job, send resumes in the evening, try to find another one.  It doesn't mean you quit.  Work and get the $$ while you can.  You have no $$$$.
17  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVI: Sidejackin' it in the Train Room. on: July 27, 2014, 08:49:56 pm
The honest truth:  I have not been fired.  However, I will go into work in the morning and turn in my 3-days notice, under the full readiness that they may walk me out.  The thing with giving my notice is to be courteous.  I will go in and be prepared to stay all day, if that's what they want.  I am prepared for whatever happens.

The fact is I can't look for a job effectively when I'm working 8-5 with a 30-minute lunch, have no access to my cell phone while I'm on the floor itself.  Yes, I can call them back during lunch, but it's likely their lunch hour, as well.  The policies for phone use is different on the floor side-jacking or taking calls than it is in the classroom.  I look for most jobs online, but the employers generally call me to set up an interview.  I also go out and look for jobs, which is not obsolete.  Ever heard of temp agencies?   I basically don't want my hands tied while trying to play ball, if you will.

Yes, Inks, I know exactly what I'm doing.  You are free to question that, but you will not change my mind.


Bushie, apply online, keep yourjob.  You get a call from a potential employer call back when you have time, and set up an interview. Take a half day like you did when you were sick last week, go to interview and go to work late orning early afternoon.  This shouldn't be a hard concept. 
18  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVI: Sidejackin' it in the Train Room. on: July 27, 2014, 01:23:11 am
Bushie,

First off, sorry about the breakup, I know it can be rough. With that being said, you need to be honest.  If off the bat you said, hey Allison and I broke up its a little tough right now and I don't wish to discuss it, I think most of us would have respected that.  However, when you go down to this mutual breakup thing and immediately try to shut it down, it makes people think.

Secondly, the 2,300 calorie thing isn't going to do crap for you unless you get some exercise. 
19  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: July 25, 2014, 02:47:11 pm
Mid-August? Labor Day?

What?


Apparently it takes a month or more to get all of our logins.  That would be August 9 at the earliest.  That's a Saturday, so August 11.  I'm just going to be ready any time.

WTF?  A month to get the log in's??  By all means, take the $$ as long you can get it, but continue to look non-stop.  You need to really ask yourself if this makes any sense....
20  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: July 25, 2014, 10:06:15 am
Surely you could handle an entry-level accounting job where you review orders for accuracy and process things, right?

The guy who spent $58 on a fake job application processing and reviewing orders?

Sounds great.

You could have a point, although I'm thinking risks would be greatly minimized in an environment where he's a piece of a much larger chain and has a checklist and constant flow of work to keep him occupied. His type excel at repetitive tasks.


You still need to pay very close attention to detail in a job like that.  Considering the website he used, anyone taking 30 seconds to look at it (states another name, that they aren't affiliated with the USPS) should have been able to tell it was bs.  He needs to improve on that.
21  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: job applications on: July 25, 2014, 12:27:41 am
Paper. You know, the thing that you actually hold in your hand and get off your ass to deliver in person?

In my field, that's not possible.  If it's a small business, random people can't even enter the building, if it's bigger, you'll get to see a receptionist.

I understand there are restraints, but it's pretty sad that we've made it so that it seems like it's not even possible to take a piece of paper to someone and talk to them. I mean, the act of picking up a piece of paper and putting it in someone's hands actually is possible.

When I was working in Manhattan you couldn't go anywhere in my building without a pass showing that you worked for the bank, or checking in through security and having someone either come down and get you or tell them it was okay.  I'm sure my building was far from the only one like that (my dad's building was the same).

You can't exactly go up to security, hey I got a resume, let me up.  It doesn't work that way. There are some offices here on Long Island that have something similar.  In most other cases you might get into the office if is someplace with no seciroty, but the chances of you geting into someone in HR, or anyone who isn't a receptionist is virtually zilch.

With that being said, some jobs in retail, etc might be a different story, but for any office type job a paper application likely gets nowhere.
22  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: July 24, 2014, 08:48:36 pm
A court needs to put Bushie's money in a resulting trust to hold for him until he's competent enough to take care of it himself. Once he proves that he's able to handle it, only then can the trust be ended.

That would be better, but I wwill settle for him asking in update if he should send $$ to this scam or that scam....
23  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: July 24, 2014, 07:17:44 pm
Jeff, what was the name of the book you bought, and how much did you pay for it?

I don't know what the name of the book was, but the price was $58 including the price of the book and shipping and handling.

I would check your credit card balance and recent transactions, who knows if you are actually getting a book.  You could have just punched in your credit card data for someone to steal.

I just checked my online account and I don't show a charge on their, yet.  I've checked my pending transactions, but I see nothing.  I gave the information to an actual customer service rep.  I physically talked to someone to give her my cc info.

I would check every couple days for the time being.  The only thing I can really find about the company you applied for is other people saying they made the same call (though they didn't send the $$$).  Hopefully you just got screwed out of the $58.  Keep checking and if you see anything suspicious report it and cancel the card immeiately.
24  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: July 24, 2014, 07:01:52 pm
Bushie

I think I found the add.  Don't you think it is a bit odd it said company: Labor Services??


And had this at the end

Quote
  Labor Services is a private employment service that offers assistance in gaining employment and is not affiliated with the US government, its agencies or affiliates.

 - See more at: http://regionalhelpwanted.com/Search/detail.cfm?SN=34&ID=111087952#sthash.fuikohNn.dpuf


Do you even try to read anything??
25  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: job applications on: July 24, 2014, 06:53:41 pm
I think the last time I did a paper application I was looking for a summer job when I was in high school, and I'm 32.......

Actually I should amend this somewhat, I have used paper applications/resumes at job fairs, but that is pretty much it.
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