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1  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: July 25, 2014, 02:47:11 pm
Mid-August? Labor Day?

What?


Apparently it takes a month or more to get all of our logins.  That would be August 9 at the earliest.  That's a Saturday, so August 11.  I'm just going to be ready any time.

WTF?  A month to get the log in's??  By all means, take the $$ as long you can get it, but continue to look non-stop.  You need to really ask yourself if this makes any sense....
2  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: July 25, 2014, 10:06:15 am
Surely you could handle an entry-level accounting job where you review orders for accuracy and process things, right?

The guy who spent $58 on a fake job application processing and reviewing orders?

Sounds great.

You could have a point, although I'm thinking risks would be greatly minimized in an environment where he's a piece of a much larger chain and has a checklist and constant flow of work to keep him occupied. His type excel at repetitive tasks.


You still need to pay very close attention to detail in a job like that.  Considering the website he used, anyone taking 30 seconds to look at it (states another name, that they aren't affiliated with the USPS) should have been able to tell it was bs.  He needs to improve on that.
3  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: job applications on: July 25, 2014, 12:27:41 am
Paper. You know, the thing that you actually hold in your hand and get off your ass to deliver in person?

In my field, that's not possible.  If it's a small business, random people can't even enter the building, if it's bigger, you'll get to see a receptionist.

I understand there are restraints, but it's pretty sad that we've made it so that it seems like it's not even possible to take a piece of paper to someone and talk to them. I mean, the act of picking up a piece of paper and putting it in someone's hands actually is possible.

When I was working in Manhattan you couldn't go anywhere in my building without a pass showing that you worked for the bank, or checking in through security and having someone either come down and get you or tell them it was okay.  I'm sure my building was far from the only one like that (my dad's building was the same).

You can't exactly go up to security, hey I got a resume, let me up.  It doesn't work that way. There are some offices here on Long Island that have something similar.  In most other cases you might get into the office if is someplace with no seciroty, but the chances of you geting into someone in HR, or anyone who isn't a receptionist is virtually zilch.

With that being said, some jobs in retail, etc might be a different story, but for any office type job a paper application likely gets nowhere.
4  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: July 24, 2014, 08:48:36 pm
A court needs to put Bushie's money in a resulting trust to hold for him until he's competent enough to take care of it himself. Once he proves that he's able to handle it, only then can the trust be ended.

That would be better, but I wwill settle for him asking in update if he should send $$ to this scam or that scam....
5  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: July 24, 2014, 07:17:44 pm
Jeff, what was the name of the book you bought, and how much did you pay for it?

I don't know what the name of the book was, but the price was $58 including the price of the book and shipping and handling.

I would check your credit card balance and recent transactions, who knows if you are actually getting a book.  You could have just punched in your credit card data for someone to steal.

I just checked my online account and I don't show a charge on their, yet.  I've checked my pending transactions, but I see nothing.  I gave the information to an actual customer service rep.  I physically talked to someone to give her my cc info.

I would check every couple days for the time being.  The only thing I can really find about the company you applied for is other people saying they made the same call (though they didn't send the $$$).  Hopefully you just got screwed out of the $58.  Keep checking and if you see anything suspicious report it and cancel the card immeiately.
6  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: July 24, 2014, 07:01:52 pm
Bushie

I think I found the add.  Don't you think it is a bit odd it said company: Labor Services??


And had this at the end

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  Labor Services is a private employment service that offers assistance in gaining employment and is not affiliated with the US government, its agencies or affiliates.

 - See more at: http://regionalhelpwanted.com/Search/detail.cfm?SN=34&ID=111087952#sthash.fuikohNn.dpuf


Do you even try to read anything??
7  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: job applications on: July 24, 2014, 06:53:41 pm
I think the last time I did a paper application I was looking for a summer job when I was in high school, and I'm 32.......

Actually I should amend this somewhat, I have used paper applications/resumes at job fairs, but that is pretty much it.
8  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: July 24, 2014, 06:49:53 pm
Jeff, what was the name of the book you bought, and how much did you pay for it?

I don't know what the name of the book was, but the price was $58 including the price of the book and shipping and handling.

I would check your credit card balance and recent transactions, who knows if you are actually getting a book.  You could have just punched in your credit card data for someone to steal.
9  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Who will win in Georgia? on: July 24, 2014, 12:25:28 pm
Wait... Why the hell is the runoff scheduled for after the new Congress is sworn in? Was I reading that correctly??

Yes. This is what happens when you let Republicans make calendars.

Well, I guess it helps to know how to read a calendar: the Senate runoff (if needed) is in December. The Gubernatorial runoff would be in the new year. Bizarre, yes, but not as bizarre as having a Senate runoff after the new Congress is sworn in.

Um, no.
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State and Local General Runoff Date        December 2, 2014
Federal General Runoff Date        January 6, 2015

Wait... Why the hell is the runoff scheduled for after the new Congress is sworn in? Was I reading that correctly??

Yes. This is what happens when you let Republicans make calendars.

But these runoff rules were instituted when Democrats dominated the South.

Again, not really. The runoff threshold was at 50% for over 100 years, and yes, that was due to Democrats wanting a guarantee. In 1992, Wyche Fowler lost the run-off against Coverdell despite beating him in the general election.

The Democrats then changed the run-off requirement to 45% to begin with the 1994 elections, where it stayed at through 2004.

Once Republicans took control of the General Assembly in 2005, they changed the rules back to 50% (since it now benefited them). So at least in Georgia, the current runoff laws were instituted by Republicans.

Well, I'd chalk it up to an error but for the SOS to have it listed that way, it would be a pretty massive error. In my defense, though, several reputable sites have stated that the Senate runoff is in December and the Gubernatorial runoff is in January.

According to Green Papers there was a ruling by a Judge in 2013 that changed the Primary and Runoff dates.  It was made official in January when Deal signed it into law.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/1ptkJLSpqqXAMftLUYJ-Qd1hlt-z3nfyGpTno1UVoniH1rGLXDpgcFxpjMeFk/edit?usp=sharing

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/G14/GA
10  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2014 Senatorial Election Polls / Re: Roanoke College - Gillespiementum! on: July 24, 2014, 09:21:32 am
Warner is under 50, so tossup

The likelihood if Warner winning is the same as McConnell winning.

Lol what
11  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: July 24, 2014, 12:06:44 am
Bushie,

1. I know you don't wan to hear negativity, but it is a fact of life.  We all wish you success, and hope we are wrong about your jo situation.  However, the fact of the matter is you aren't a sales person, you aren't cut out for it.  That isn't a knock on you, but its just reality.  Doing outbound sales calls is far more difficult than handling inbound calls, which you could not do.  I work in sales, albeit in a different industry (financing), but its just not a good fit.

2.  Make the online applications postal service.  Don't waste time or the package.  That is absolutely insane.

3.  You can't become a letter carrier.  You are in awful shape and woudn't be able to handle the walking.  There likely is other stuff you would be cut out for (working the counter for one perhaps), however letter carrier is not one of them.

You really need to set yourself up with goals, but realistic ones.   Know what you are good in and focus on that.  Know what you need to work on and do what you can to improve.  There is nothing wrong with having a positive outlook, and it is important to have one.  However, at the same time it is also important to know what your limitaions are.  This I think tends to be your biggest flaw.

12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Dana Rohrbacher tackles the real issues on: July 23, 2014, 09:21:55 am


Wee-bey's reaction basically explains it well.....
13  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: If Maryland, DC, and Virginia became one megastate, which party benefits? on: July 22, 2014, 01:36:52 pm
Why is everyone saying Republicans? Maryland and DC are solid D. Yes, they would lose two senate seats, but that would be the whole senate, not just Democrats. But Maryland and DC would influence the whole thing making Colmarnia (sure let's go with that) a blue state at the moment, just as NoVa influences Virginia to start tilting left in general now.


The general thinking is VA will become a pretty solid Democratic state in the not too distant future.
14  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: New York Governor- 2014- Astornio vs Cuomo on: July 22, 2014, 01:33:36 pm
Christie rejected Astorino's play for more money.

Because, like I said, with Democrats like Cuomo, who needs Republicans?

I somehow think it has more to do with the fact Christie realizes Astorino doesn't have a shot in hell.
15  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: July 21, 2014, 10:21:25 pm
If anything, perhaps all the discussions about the cooking channel will help Bushie learn how to cook without assistance!

And he never told us what all he ate this weekend Sad


The chance he ate good is about the same as the chance he went for a walk.
16  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: July 21, 2014, 10:14:37 pm
Bushie, how well are you at dealing with people yelling, screaming and cursing at you without taking it personally?  And how are you in dealing with it in general?
17  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: July 21, 2014, 10:09:59 pm
Yeah this isn't a scam job by any means. It's just one of those jobs that churn and burn people. Bushie is by no means safe, and I'll be shocked if he lasts more than a couple of weeks after he actually gets on the phones. Has he ever lasted more than a few weeks at any call center he's worked at?

Also, it's strange Bushie insists on working at a job he knows he isn't suited for, yet refuses to work retail or at Wal Mart because he feels it isn't a job he's suited for.

He claims this is different because he use to do inbound and now this is outbound.  Somehow not realizing that if he can't handle inbound calls, how the hell is he ever going to handle outgoing sales calls??
18  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: July 21, 2014, 09:40:29 pm
With all of five minutes of investigating ...

... it's legitimate enough -- an "insourced" call center for communication / telecom / tech companies to utilize for customer support and upselling purposes.

The reviews on Glassdoor, however, are universally negative. It's a churn-and-burn environment; one that -- again, Jeff -- is not conducive to your psychological strengths and make-up. It's probably as close to a legal sweatshop as you can get. The entire reason places like this exist are because companies like AT&T DO NOT like to "throw money around." Rather than hire their own in-house staff of well-paid inside sales and customer service associates, they insource these duties to companies that fill those voids while standing on the backs of those desperate for a job.

BUT ... it's legitimate. Do what you need to do to survive there, Jeff, but realize that ultimately this job and this company aren't for you and keep searching in the evenings for something better that suits your skill set.


I would agree with this.  It is legit, and considerably better than some of the other "jobs" Bushie has had.  However, it appears to be very cut throat with little upside.  I wish you the best, but I would continue looking for other jobs across the board, I just don'tsee it as a good fit
19  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: July 21, 2014, 09:22:34 pm
This sounds so shady. 5 people have already "quit" after a few days of sitting around and talking about sports and cooking?

3 people have apparently quit because they weren't understanding the material that we did go over the first few days of class.

Or did 3 people quit because they realized it was a scam??

Since you think you are getting paid tomorrow, do you know if it is straight salary or a draw yet?

It's not a scam and is not a draw system.  What will happen is I will compete against the other 11 agents.  The top 5% will get $6.00/hr more than the base.  The next 5%, $5.00;  then it goes down from there.  The top 70% will get at least 25 cents an hour additional.  Only the bottom 30% won't get anything.


Bushie, can yo please pm myself J-Mann, Grumps and a few others the name of this company, so we can do some research??

check your messages

Just looking briefly for now, but found the career potion a bit odd.  Mentions nothing about salary or beneits, not even the bs competitive salary.


Did find something  bit interesting in rregads to what was discussed earlier.  Another office in another state was forced to pay workers after complaints about taking pay away for bathroom breaks.  Workers said it broke state labor laws and they won.
20  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: July 21, 2014, 08:52:44 pm
This sounds so shady. 5 people have already "quit" after a few days of sitting around and talking about sports and cooking?

3 people have apparently quit because they weren't understanding the material that we did go over the first few days of class.

Or did 3 people quit because they realized it was a scam??

Since you think you are getting paid tomorrow, do you know if it is straight salary or a draw yet?

It's not a scam and is not a draw system.  What will happen is I will compete against the other 11 agents.  The top 5% will get $6.00/hr more than the base.  The next 5%, $5.00;  then it goes down from there.  The top 70% will get at least 25 cents an hour additional.  Only the bottom 30% won't get anything.


Bushie, can yo please pm myself J-Mann, Grumps and a few others the name of this company, so we can do some research??
21  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: July 21, 2014, 07:22:48 pm
This sounds so shady. 5 people have already "quit" after a few days of sitting around and talking about sports and cooking?

3 people have apparently quit because they weren't understanding the material that we did go over the first few days of class.

Or did 3 people quit because they realized it was a scam??

Since you think you are getting paid tomorrow, do you know if it is straight salary or a draw yet?
22  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: July 21, 2014, 04:49:12 pm
I walk into an ESPN, Cooking channel, UFC discussion.  We've done nothing since I've been here...

WTF kind of job is this?  Seriously, will you even get a paycheck?
23  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Ask Dick Cheney on: July 19, 2014, 12:43:25 am
How many countires should we invade?

All the countries in gold:




Why stop at the top 10??
24  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: July 19, 2014, 12:14:47 am
You've worked at numerous call center jobs in the past. Why would you feel unprepared?



The past call centers have all been inbound with no sales.  This is outbound with sales.  So, it is a little different.  I knew what to expect in a general sense, but each company puts their own "spin" on the calls and what they require.


Bushie outbound with sales is considerably more difficult than in bound with no sales.

As someone who works in sales, although in a different industry (I work for a Mortgage Company), I am with JMann on this.  You aren't cut out to be a sales person.  That isn't a knock at out, but its simply a fact.  Hell there are plenty of times I think I should be doing something else. 

Of course that doesn't mean you should quit.  Stay where you are while you look for something else.  But if you think this is going to be anything other than a short-term job you are misstaken.
25  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: July 19, 2014, 12:07:43 am
As things stand right now coming to the end of a Friday night, I am not only more comfortable, but continue to be very excited about getting on the phones the middle of next week.  J-Mann, I get that my personality type does not match call centers and sales jobs, but I do not believe that's a hard and fast rule.  I believe there are exceptions to every rule.  A person's frame of mind, I believe, plays a larger role than scientific results.  Anybody can do just about anything if they put their mind to it.  Bottom line, I am not going to let scientific results dictate how and where I make a living.

See, this is where we differ. I have no idea why you wish to prove us wrong over this after being let go of countless call center jobs, but maybe one day you will succeed. And I'm fairly sure J-Mann knows more about sales jobs than you do; we all know how they act during training and then how things are different when you actually are on the sales floor. You know that too. You've felt great about these call center jobs and then the first or second day on the phones, you're either let go or in trouble on the verge of being let go.

That said, I hope you keep this one until you find a CAD job, and I hope you make an honest effort to find one. It would suit you far better than sales.

I'm not trying to prove anybody wrong that I cannot work in a call center or sales, I am just trying to prove to myself that I can keep a job no matter what it is.

Bushie, no offense but this comment is just dumb period.  Some people ust aren't cut out for certain lines of work.  It isn't a bad thing, it is a fact thing.

You aren't cut out for a call center or sales type of job, you have tried it over and over again and it hasn't worked out.   I wouldn't be cut out for a Carpenter type of job because I suck at that type of stuff.  Nothing to be ashamed of.
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