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26  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: July 21, 2014, 10:14:37 pm
Bushie, how well are you at dealing with people yelling, screaming and cursing at you without taking it personally?  And how are you in dealing with it in general?
27  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: July 21, 2014, 10:09:59 pm
Yeah this isn't a scam job by any means. It's just one of those jobs that churn and burn people. Bushie is by no means safe, and I'll be shocked if he lasts more than a couple of weeks after he actually gets on the phones. Has he ever lasted more than a few weeks at any call center he's worked at?

Also, it's strange Bushie insists on working at a job he knows he isn't suited for, yet refuses to work retail or at Wal Mart because he feels it isn't a job he's suited for.

He claims this is different because he use to do inbound and now this is outbound.  Somehow not realizing that if he can't handle inbound calls, how the hell is he ever going to handle outgoing sales calls??
28  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: July 21, 2014, 09:40:29 pm
With all of five minutes of investigating ...

... it's legitimate enough -- an "insourced" call center for communication / telecom / tech companies to utilize for customer support and upselling purposes.

The reviews on Glassdoor, however, are universally negative. It's a churn-and-burn environment; one that -- again, Jeff -- is not conducive to your psychological strengths and make-up. It's probably as close to a legal sweatshop as you can get. The entire reason places like this exist are because companies like AT&T DO NOT like to "throw money around." Rather than hire their own in-house staff of well-paid inside sales and customer service associates, they insource these duties to companies that fill those voids while standing on the backs of those desperate for a job.

BUT ... it's legitimate. Do what you need to do to survive there, Jeff, but realize that ultimately this job and this company aren't for you and keep searching in the evenings for something better that suits your skill set.


I would agree with this.  It is legit, and considerably better than some of the other "jobs" Bushie has had.  However, it appears to be very cut throat with little upside.  I wish you the best, but I would continue looking for other jobs across the board, I just don'tsee it as a good fit
29  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: July 21, 2014, 09:22:34 pm
This sounds so shady. 5 people have already "quit" after a few days of sitting around and talking about sports and cooking?

3 people have apparently quit because they weren't understanding the material that we did go over the first few days of class.

Or did 3 people quit because they realized it was a scam??

Since you think you are getting paid tomorrow, do you know if it is straight salary or a draw yet?

It's not a scam and is not a draw system.  What will happen is I will compete against the other 11 agents.  The top 5% will get $6.00/hr more than the base.  The next 5%, $5.00;  then it goes down from there.  The top 70% will get at least 25 cents an hour additional.  Only the bottom 30% won't get anything.


Bushie, can yo please pm myself J-Mann, Grumps and a few others the name of this company, so we can do some research??

check your messages

Just looking briefly for now, but found the career potion a bit odd.  Mentions nothing about salary or beneits, not even the bs competitive salary.


Did find something  bit interesting in rregads to what was discussed earlier.  Another office in another state was forced to pay workers after complaints about taking pay away for bathroom breaks.  Workers said it broke state labor laws and they won.
30  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: July 21, 2014, 08:52:44 pm
This sounds so shady. 5 people have already "quit" after a few days of sitting around and talking about sports and cooking?

3 people have apparently quit because they weren't understanding the material that we did go over the first few days of class.

Or did 3 people quit because they realized it was a scam??

Since you think you are getting paid tomorrow, do you know if it is straight salary or a draw yet?

It's not a scam and is not a draw system.  What will happen is I will compete against the other 11 agents.  The top 5% will get $6.00/hr more than the base.  The next 5%, $5.00;  then it goes down from there.  The top 70% will get at least 25 cents an hour additional.  Only the bottom 30% won't get anything.


Bushie, can yo please pm myself J-Mann, Grumps and a few others the name of this company, so we can do some research??
31  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: July 21, 2014, 07:22:48 pm
This sounds so shady. 5 people have already "quit" after a few days of sitting around and talking about sports and cooking?

3 people have apparently quit because they weren't understanding the material that we did go over the first few days of class.

Or did 3 people quit because they realized it was a scam??

Since you think you are getting paid tomorrow, do you know if it is straight salary or a draw yet?
32  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: July 21, 2014, 04:49:12 pm
I walk into an ESPN, Cooking channel, UFC discussion.  We've done nothing since I've been here...

WTF kind of job is this?  Seriously, will you even get a paycheck?
33  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Ask Dick Cheney on: July 19, 2014, 12:43:25 am
How many countires should we invade?

All the countries in gold:




Why stop at the top 10??
34  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: July 19, 2014, 12:14:47 am
You've worked at numerous call center jobs in the past. Why would you feel unprepared?



The past call centers have all been inbound with no sales.  This is outbound with sales.  So, it is a little different.  I knew what to expect in a general sense, but each company puts their own "spin" on the calls and what they require.


Bushie outbound with sales is considerably more difficult than in bound with no sales.

As someone who works in sales, although in a different industry (I work for a Mortgage Company), I am with JMann on this.  You aren't cut out to be a sales person.  That isn't a knock at out, but its simply a fact.  Hell there are plenty of times I think I should be doing something else. 

Of course that doesn't mean you should quit.  Stay where you are while you look for something else.  But if you think this is going to be anything other than a short-term job you are misstaken.
35  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: July 19, 2014, 12:07:43 am
As things stand right now coming to the end of a Friday night, I am not only more comfortable, but continue to be very excited about getting on the phones the middle of next week.  J-Mann, I get that my personality type does not match call centers and sales jobs, but I do not believe that's a hard and fast rule.  I believe there are exceptions to every rule.  A person's frame of mind, I believe, plays a larger role than scientific results.  Anybody can do just about anything if they put their mind to it.  Bottom line, I am not going to let scientific results dictate how and where I make a living.

See, this is where we differ. I have no idea why you wish to prove us wrong over this after being let go of countless call center jobs, but maybe one day you will succeed. And I'm fairly sure J-Mann knows more about sales jobs than you do; we all know how they act during training and then how things are different when you actually are on the sales floor. You know that too. You've felt great about these call center jobs and then the first or second day on the phones, you're either let go or in trouble on the verge of being let go.

That said, I hope you keep this one until you find a CAD job, and I hope you make an honest effort to find one. It would suit you far better than sales.

I'm not trying to prove anybody wrong that I cannot work in a call center or sales, I am just trying to prove to myself that I can keep a job no matter what it is.

Bushie, no offense but this comment is just dumb period.  Some people ust aren't cut out for certain lines of work.  It isn't a bad thing, it is a fact thing.

You aren't cut out for a call center or sales type of job, you have tried it over and over again and it hasn't worked out.   I wouldn't be cut out for a Carpenter type of job because I suck at that type of stuff.  Nothing to be ashamed of.
36  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: July 18, 2014, 06:20:10 pm
Has he been fired? It's interesting that he went from vehemently defending the job to now admitting he's discussed quitting with his parents over his concerns.

Yea, it looks like its over
37  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Ask Dick Cheney on: July 18, 2014, 06:15:49 pm
How many countires should we invade?
38  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: July 18, 2014, 04:19:47 pm
I'm going to my parents this weekend and we're going to talk about my strategy with the job.  I voiced my frustrations to my mother last night over the phone and she is concerned to be honest.  I don't want to leave this place, but if they think it would be the best thing for me then I would strongly consider it.  Ultimately, it's my decision, but I'll listen to everyone's advice.

So, RIP TULSA too?

I think he signed a year lease...
39  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: July 18, 2014, 03:10:43 pm
I'm going to my parents this weekend and we're going to talk about my strategy with the job.  I voiced my frustrations to my mother last night over the phone and she is concerned to be honest.  I don't want to leave this place, but if they think it would be the best thing for me then I would strongly consider it.  Ultimately, it's my decision, but I'll listen to everyone's advice.

Bushie, if you need the $$ I wouldn't leave the job unless if there are legal issues or something like that.  However, you should still be looking for other jobs.  Some employers might be able to work with you as far as a time period for an interview.  If not perhaps take a half day one day to have the interview.

With that being said, considering the above post, I think there might be some serious issues with this job you aren't telling us.
40  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: July 18, 2014, 09:09:22 am
Bushie, I know you don't want to post it here because of Mondale, but it might be a good idea to pm a few of us the name of the company so we can do a bit of research on it.  No offense, but your research skills absolutely suck, and I have a really bad feeling you got suckered into something again. 

I'm confident about what I've gotten myself into.  It's not a perfect or even an ideal job, but it will provide a paycheck.  I need a paycheck.

We have been down this road before...

Btw, I'm not saying quit if we find something that is troubling (unless if you happen to be doing something illegal), but rather have us do some research and if we find something troubling, start looking again.
41  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Dear Uncle Grumps: on: July 17, 2014, 11:30:56 pm
How do I tell the difference between a seasoned middle ager and a senile old fart?
42  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Atlas Meetup 2014 on: July 17, 2014, 11:27:30 pm
Oh, sorry, I didn't see that my doodle update "conversation" in gmail had 9 replies!  Thanks to Sawx, Mung, and, my personal favorite, "maybe I'll see if you pick a date if I can make it", for your replies.  Right now, the 23rd and 24th are in the lead.  Any other votes?

NYC Smiley


Seriousy though, would love to do it, but likely won't be able to make it down to D.C
43  Forum Community / Forum Community / What time of day have you made the most posts? on: July 17, 2014, 11:21:37 pm
You can check this out by looking up general statistics for this member on your profile.

For me its 1am, though I would say the bulk of that was in the past, probably 11PM or midnight over the last couple years.
44  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: July 17, 2014, 11:14:46 pm
Bushie, I know you don't want to post it here because of Mondale, but it might be a good idea to pm a few of us the name of the company so we can do a bit of research on it.  No offense, but your research skills absolutely suck, and I have a really bad feeling you got suckered into something again. 
45  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Who is the most electable among GOP battleground states candidates? on: July 17, 2014, 10:17:49 pm
Stuck with Cassidy as he is pretty generic.

That being said, Kingston puzzles me. He seems like the perfect candidate, yet is still trailing Nunn in the polls. I know Nunn has the name recognition, but both he and Perdue seem like pretty solid candidates.

Keep in mind that while he was never as bombastic as Broun and Gingrey, Kingston has always been pretty far to the right.  He was pulled even further right during the Primaries by having the nutters there.

 This could be a case of the tea partiers not winning the Primary, but the presence may have driven the establishment so far right that it could put them in danger for the General.
46  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Would the above poster's political opinions be popular in Kentucky? on: July 17, 2014, 03:51:29 pm
nope
47  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: July 17, 2014, 02:38:46 pm
I've never had a sales job. How does a draw system work?

It is basically a commission job, however you will get paid something for a time period when you don't have any deals, sales, etc close.  Then when a deal/ sale closes you pay back any draw balance you have from the commission.

For example, lets say you have a $1,000 draw every two weeks.  You go two pay cycles with no sales or deals closing, and then during that third pay cycle you close on a deal that you make $3,500 on.

You will get $1,000 during that first two week period just like you normally would if that was a salary.  You will get another $1,000 during that second pay cycle just like you normally would with a salary.  However, you would then have a $2,000 draw balance.  So what would actually happen is during that third pay cycle when you had a commission deal that you made $3,500 on, you would actually get $1,500.  The $3,500- $2,000 in a draw balance you had to pay back.

So during those three pay cycles you would have a paycheck of $1,000, another one of $1,000 and the last one of $3,500.  It would total out to be the $3,500 you made on that one deal.

I work a sales job and this is basically how I get paid.  I had a couple pay cycles that I didn't close a deal on.  I still got paid during those cycles.  During my last pay check I had a deal close.  The commission I made on that deal was then reduced by my draw balance, and that is what I got a check for.   On the next pay cycle I have another deal that closed, since I currently have no draw balance I will get the full commission check.
48  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: July 17, 2014, 09:14:13 am
Bushie is it actually a true hourly salary or is it a draw that you will then have to pay back out of your commission when you sell something?
49  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: What's the racial distribution of your census tract? on: July 16, 2014, 11:37:00 pm
81% White
11% Hispanic
6% Asian
1% Black
50  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Would the above poster's political opinions be popular in Kentucky? on: July 16, 2014, 02:44:01 pm
Maybe in pockets of downtown Louisville, or on Bandit Island, other than that no.
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