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1  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Clinton: Russians Had To Be "Guided By Americans" "Hard Not To" Suspect Trump on: June 01, 2017, 06:38:13 pm
A lot of factors came together to make Trump President. Many of them were beyond Hillary's control, but some were well within her ability to influence. What appears to be a stubborn refusal to recognize that if she had made one or two different (and arguably better) choices, she would be President today instead of the Orange Offal is rather frustrating and disappointing.

With as close as the election was, there could be many things she could have done differently that would have led to a different outcome. Hindsight is 20/20. And just because she could have won with some changes, it doesn't mean they were the best choice at the time. Imagine if she had spent a bunch of time in the last 2 weeks in PA/MI/WI, and won them easily, only to barely lose Colorado.

I'm sure you have other things in mind. But the same principle applies. Whatever she might have done differently, there could have been unexpected consequences that ended up hurting her more.

Regardless of what she could have done to win, it doesn't obviate the significance of any external factors that affected the race, especially if there were illegalities in play, as she implying.

If your issue is just that she should own up to mistakes, well ok, she did say the campaign wasn't perfect. Maybe that's not definitive enough for your liking. But then, if the election was essentially stolen, I think that's more significant than any alterations she could have made that *might* have resulted in her winning.

Agreed. Good post.
2  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: How would you grade Steve Beshear's Rebuttal on: March 01, 2017, 03:06:12 am
Bernie's response is even better.
3  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: How would you rate Trump's first address to congress? on: March 01, 2017, 12:20:38 am
The speech was the same old stuff.
4  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: How would you grade Steve Beshear's Rebuttal on: March 01, 2017, 12:14:40 am
B,
5  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: President Trump's First Address to Congress **live commentary thread** on: February 28, 2017, 11:46:18 pm
Tom Perez has some funny responses on MSNBC.
6  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: President Trump's First Address to Congress **live commentary thread** on: February 28, 2017, 11:22:45 pm
Beshear's response was good.
7  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: C-SPAN Presidential Historians Survey 2017: Obama debuts at #12 on: February 25, 2017, 04:36:22 pm
Obama is ranked pretty high for a debut. Very cool.
8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: Most liberal states on economic issues? on: February 08, 2017, 04:18:56 pm
Economically Maryland

Socially: California
9  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Do the dems have any real chance in 2020? on: February 08, 2017, 12:49:59 pm
I think Warren could win. Bernie is a little too old, but who knows.

There's never been four consecutive two-term presidents. I think even a boring candidate could win in 2020 if there's a recession and/or a huge scandal and huge incompetence.

10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: How do you think the 9th Circuit will go with Trump's EO Ban? on: February 07, 2017, 08:37:00 pm
My prediction: Either 2-1 for the state of Washington or they send it back to Seattle.
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Sarah Palin goes rogue on Trump; slams his Carrier deal as 'Crony Capitalism' on: December 03, 2016, 12:07:56 am
I actually agree with Sarah Palin.
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Did Michael Dukakis have a shot of winning in 1988? on: December 01, 2016, 11:07:25 pm
No. I think a more inspiring could have made it much closer, though.
13  General Discussion / History / Re: Obama's legacy same as Carter's? on: November 24, 2016, 12:52:53 pm
In the presidential cycle theory, I like to think of him as "Nixon done right."

In an overall historical sense, maybe Woodrow Wilson.
14  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Kanye West 2020 on: November 23, 2016, 06:27:37 pm
Axel Rose/Alec Baldwin 2020
15  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Almost impossible to knock off a first term incumbent on: November 23, 2016, 04:34:39 pm
In the past century, this has only happened four times (Hoover, Ford, Carter, H.W. Bush), and of those four, only one of those times (Carter) did the incumbent's party control the White House for no more than four years. Food for thought.

There's also never been four 2-term presidents in a row.
16  General Discussion / History / Re: US presidential electons where the party in power should've won/lost, but didn't on: November 18, 2016, 09:09:52 am
What are your criteria here for "should have won/lost"? Poll numbers? The status of the economy? It's hard to decide who should have won or lost something when we're all using different standards of what should make someone win.

Not polling, but the overall perception.
17  General Discussion / History / US presidential electons where the party in power should've won/lost, but didn't on: November 17, 2016, 06:47:54 pm
Should've lost: 1876


Should've won: 1960, 2000




They were controversial elections, too.



Any more?
18  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Should the Democratic Party disavow identity politics? on: November 17, 2016, 02:41:56 pm
All politics is, to some extent, identity politics.

Agreed.
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: President Trump vs. Sen. Kamala Harris on: November 17, 2016, 02:30:58 pm
this is about the time to remind everyone that Obama did better than Hillary in all of the areas we're supposedly yelling "identity politics" about.

Good post.
20  General Politics / Economics / Re: Will America have a recession, even if just a small tiny one, in next 8 years? on: November 16, 2016, 09:20:58 am
It will be severe, it will last for years, the new administration will be at fault, and the public opinion will blame Obama.

Doesn't the party in power always get the blame?

Not if it is led by a strong enough demagogue.

Trump is too unlikeable not to get the blame.
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: I'd say this election is most comparable to 1960 on: November 15, 2016, 06:34:18 pm
2000 was 1960.
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: I'd say this election is most comparable to 1960 on: November 15, 2016, 06:14:19 pm
I think think and hope it's 1976.
23  General Politics / Economics / Re: Will America have a recession, even if just a small tiny one, in next 8 years? on: November 15, 2016, 06:03:42 pm
It will be severe, it will last for years, the new administration will be at fault, and the public opinion will blame Obama.

Doesn't the party in power always get the blame?
24  General Discussion / History / Re: Obama's legacy same as Carter's? on: November 15, 2016, 03:33:42 pm
The comparison is weird.

Obama:

Furthered LGBT rights.

Obamacare

The Iran deal

The Paris deal

The Cuba deal

Two-term president

Decent to solid approval rating

Nixon:

Furthered integration (if in a self-serving and seedy way)

Universal Healthcare (which Ted Kennedy and other liberals turned down for not being liberal enough...how's that different from Republicans turning on their own system again?)

The China deal

SALT

Two-term president (in theory)

Decent to solid approval (until Watergate)

...You were saying?



I was talking about the Carter comparison.
25  General Discussion / History / Re: Obama's legacy same as Carter's? on: November 15, 2016, 11:44:00 am
The comparison is weird.

Obama:

Furthered LGBT rights.

Obamacare

The Iran deal

The Paris deal

The Cuba deal

Two-term president

Decent to solid approval rating
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