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1  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Anyone here get politically themed dreams? on: Today at 09:23:42 am
No. Amazingly Trump has not caused me to have nightmares yet. It must be the pot or something.

Well yeah. Doesn't it suppress your REM's? Quit for a day and you'll be drowning in your sleep. Better to stay clean and preserve your mental integrity!
2  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Icespear deciding to act like a racist WV republican on: Today at 09:21:24 am
I'll hopefully clear FC of this nonsense after werk.
3  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of 49.8% of Austrian voters on: Today at 09:08:12 am
Over 47% of this forum seems to be quasi-fascist sympathizing. Ugh.
Not far off of 49.8%. Has it ever occurred to you that this is how half the world thinks?

p.s. - I abhor fascism, but I find it hard to fault the voters, especially in the run-off.

And people wonder why I refuse to live anywhere but ultra-liberal inner cities...

Because conflicting ideas are super duper scary

Fascism sure is.

You've lived in America how long? You should be used to fascism by now.
4  Forum Community / Forum Community / MOVED: Yes, prudery has ran amuck here on: Today at 09:06:04 am
Post this kinda crap where it belongs. #ModdingAtWerk

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This topic has been moved to The Atlas.

http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=237239.0
5  Forum Community / Forum Community / MOVED: Opinion of Herbalife? on: Today at 09:04:47 am
See my other "moved thread" thread.

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6  Forum Community / Forum Community / MOVED: Opinion of the Albuquerque, NM protesters? on: Today at 09:03:27 am
People, I implore that you stop polluting Forum Community with threads that obviously belong in Indi Politics. Below is the template for a notification of thread relocation:

This topic has been moved to Individual Politics.

http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=237411.0
7  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Unfortunate Son on: May 24, 2016, 10:09:24 pm
Mayors of New York City

103. John V. Lindsay (Republican/Democrat-Liberal) January 1st, 1966-December 31st, 1973
104. Barry Farber (Republican-Conservative) January 1st, 1974-December 31st, 1977
105. Mario Cuomo (Democrat-Liberal) January 1st, 1978-December 31st, 1981
106. John LeBoutillier (Republican-Conservative) January 1st, 1982-December 31st, 1989
107. Richard Ravitch (Democrat-Liberal) January 1st, 1990-December 31st, 1997

Mayor John Lindsay would be considered a disaster. Such was his administration disgraced and, in consequence, his coalition shattered, that a joint Republican-Conservative ticket would manage to weasel its way into a plurality in the incredibly hectic 1973 mayoral election. Farber, however, was a poor fit for the city, taking drastic measures to curb the city's oncoming "debt timebomb". The need for the federal government to bail NYC out--despite the Mayor's protests--would doom an administration that never seemed to get started. Nevertheless, the city would not treat his successor lightly, either. The ramifications of the last eight years were being felt as Mario Cuomo united the Democrats and the Liberals for the first time, winning a majority in the two-way 1977 election. Dealing with skyrocketing crime rates, citizen flight, white and middle class outrage over public housing projects, and seeming failure to readjust the city's finances, Cuomo would be the second "Democratic Liberal" to be felled by a Republican/Conservative coalition. John LeBoutillier, a son of privilege, was hardly an experienced NYC politico. He had instead risen to political prominence as a chief fundraiser for George McGovern's 1974 ouster. Elected to Congress in 1978 and re-elected in 1980 in a Queens district, LeBoutillier honed a (rather ironic) populist, anti-crime message, choosing to emphasize cultural over economic issues. While the Mayor would have a rocky relationship with the City's immigrant communities, his introduction of new police powers and tactics would prove popular even as the the crime rate continued its rise.

New York City Democrats would be forced to learn the lessons of their national-level counterparts three years early. Opting against nominating "squishy liberals", Richard Ravitch, a Democrat who had worked for officeholders from both parties at the national, statewide, and city levels, would be nominated. Liberals begrudgingly towed the Democratic line for Ravitch, but most of the grumbling came from the "activist left". Ravitch's record was appraised as that of a "union buster", among other things. Nevertheless, the outsider was what the city wanted as the right again ate itself seeking a successor to LeBoutillier. Ravitch continued the escalation of police powers while also supplementing it with anti-poverty policies. Liberal Party officials, however, were seeking a change. Since the demise of the Lindsay regime, the Liberals had undergone a demographic change, as anti-Democrat ex-Republicans were paired with left-wing activists who had tired of a perceived rightward shift in the Democratic Party. Thus, community organizers and environmentalists were seated alongside "Rockefeller Republicans", and a chaotic nominating process in 1997 resulted in a by-and-large three-way race to succeed Ravitch.

Above: Rudy Giuliani, a former Democrat who had served in the Dole Justice Department and as Linwood Holton's Attorney General, was the Republican and Conservative nominee for Mayor of New York City in 1997. In the midst of left-wing vote splitting, Giuliani crafted a tough-on-crime and moderate message, seemingly in the spirit of "Rockefeller Republicans" of old to win New York's center and right. Nevertheless, his image was not that of a WASPy son of privilege and scion of "good government", but instead that of a Brooklyn "tough guy" who made the Republican Party that of white men from the "streets".

Rudolph W. Giuliani, former United States Attorney General, was well-poised to seek the Mayoralty. A former Democrat, his time as Attorney General had made his tough-on-crime reputation, while his return to New York City was marked by the forging of ties with moderates in all camps. Combining anti-crime and pro-police rhetoric with moderate stances on social and fiscal issues--and a large campaign budget--Giuliani cruised to victory over opponents to his right in the Republican primary while benefiting from vote-splitting in the Conservative primary. Right-to-Life, nevertheless, refused their endorsement. The Liberal primary was emblematic of the party's identity crisis, as older party members supported Giuliani, there was a small "Draft Ravitch" attempt, and the newer "activist" crowd and Jewish voters nominated Carol Bellamy. The Democrats, meanwhile, facing a minority revolt, nominated the Reverend Al Sharpton. With the center lacking a home among both Democrats and Liberals, Giuliani forged a coalition to achieve a near-majority, and victory.

What was unique to the Giuliani campaign, compared to previous moderate campaigns in the Northeast, was the populist "tough guy" Brooklyn image Giuliani used to moderate effect. Previously, the campaigns of the likes of Linwood Holton, Prescott Bush, Jr., Nelson Rockefeller, Charles Goodell, Arlen Specter, and so on had relied on an amount of middle class "sensibility" and "good government". Giuliani instead combined the rhetoric of successful conservative campaigns and the politics of moderate and liberal administrators. He had relied significantly on New York City's white ethnic community in ways that, while not unique, were relatively new to moderate Republican campaigns.
8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Unfortunate Son on: May 24, 2016, 07:55:41 pm
The Crass & The Corrupt

Ohio.

December, 1996.

"It's been too long, John!" The Michigan Governor smiled, as he picked up Boehner's pack of Marlboro Reds from the pack the nicotine dependent had left on the table. "Yes it has. Not since, what was it, 1988?" "Not since, yeah, Commerce Secretary. Haven't really needed to talk to you f#cks in Congress in a f#cking while." "I'm gonna be honest, Mattingly, I really haven't missed your presence. Congress has got along just fine without you pissing all over every sub-committee meeting." "Can't help that I notice you're all corrupt f#cks." It was Congressman John Boehner's Ohio Christmas Party mere weeks after the 1996 election.

Mattingly liked Boehner. Yeah, he was a pussy, and his presence for Merlot over a good, cold beer was un-nerving at best. Nevertheless, he was more than comfortable with addicts; he'd been one for years. Plus, more than enough legislators in both parties had bored him half to death. Boehner at least loved a good drink or fifteen after work and an all-American smoke. Mostly, however, Mattingly liked that Boehner was predictable. Corrupt, malleable, reliable. There were, in general, two types of politicians who made the news: the wingnuts that derailed whatever they touched by whining about its purity, and "moderate" "mavericks" that whored themselves for attention by complaining about compromise and understanding. Boehner was neither of these, and neither were the majority members of either party, Mattingly believed. Legislators that liked money and liquor were the types that the Governor had used to pass significant legislation in Michigan, and this was the "silent majority" he wanted on his side as he looked towards Washington, DC.

"John, please tell me something. We--as in, the party--always knew Wilson would lose, didn't we?" "F#ck if I know, Mattingly. I hear enough donor chit-chat though. God knows how many they poured into his primary campaign before the year'd even begun." "My theory, and I know you don't care about this, as long as the money keeps coming in-" "Hey!" "-is that almost anyone could've lost. The guys that cut your paychecks instead needed to maintain control of the party. Surprised they didn't send up Lamar as a sacrificial lamb though. Save their Golden Boy for 2000." "Makes enough sense. What the f#ck of it?" "First off, hand me another cigarette." "Jesus, Mattingly, I thought you quit." "I did, but your cheap booze got me drunk, and the drive for that buzz never goes away. As I'm sure you know." "Oh, I know. Here, you cocksucking bum." Mattingly lit his second cigarette. "Boehner, what I'm wondering is who they have next. Who do the Beltway f#cks want to put up four years from now to ruin the party? I'm curious as to whether they want someone dynamic enough to win or stupid enough to control." "Chris, I honestly don't know if you have any idea how the nomination process works. Do you know how many guys in the Upper Chamber are looking at the presidency?" "Oh yeah, I can imagine every newbie cockf#ck sees themselves approaching the Presidency. But, and you know this, there's a donor primary."

Boehner shrugged off his fellow Mid-Westerner's speculation. "I don't really know what you're talking about... None of this really answers my question. Why the heck're you here?" "Hell of an election, John... We've got the Senate. Almost the House! Hopefully the President is someone who knows how to work with you guys." "With your disdain for the legislature, I'm surprised you care about this." "My advice for dealing with Hart? Stick your majority in him and squeeze..." "Again, why the f#ck you care!?" "I was being jocular. You wanna know why I'm here? I want to see how the House--how your caucus--would deal with someone like me in charge. Gary Hart's got limited staying power and the Democrats are too inept to put up a worthy successor. The Republicans? F#ck, the field needs me." "Chris, we're four years out..." "Listen, if the f#cks in the Senate, or some other Governor, or even one of you guys, manages to put together the type of campaign that can unite Middle America and can produce a competent administration on January 20th, 2001, I'll have no interest in running. Since 1988, we haven't had competent party leadership." "F#ck you. Grab another drink. My secretary will call yours--I wanna see you on the golf course in Florida after New Year's."
9  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Classic Conservative on: May 24, 2016, 05:40:47 am
Good guy. He's like 13, he's entitled to have crazy views (influenced by relatives that he than takes to a further extreme because he's young). In 2020, he'll be an awesome poster. Hell, he might be the new Cathcon at some point.

Let's not get crazy here.
10  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Yes, prudery has ran amuck here on: May 24, 2016, 05:39:24 am
Prudery is a horribly childish thing, and I would normally scoff at any instances thereof, but considering the disproportionate number of children on here and the moderators's precedence of solid rule enforcement, I understand the outrage.

My principles, on the other hand, tell me that censorship is a loathsome practice in any regard. Age limits on viewing of pornography are unconstitutional. I strongly disagree with SCOTUS's assertions that "obscene" speech is not protected. Such assertions are based off of religious grounds.

For prudery to run amok is truly sad.

Who cares?
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: What better influences a person's political viewpoints? on: May 22, 2016, 12:02:17 pm
I tend to regard my personality as the product of my life experiences, so this is a bit difficult.
12  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: A small map of American colleges I created (in progress) on: May 22, 2016, 10:04:47 am
Interesting that Sacred Heart Seminary is one of the Detroit bubbles... Is that intentional?
13  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Political bases and music taste correlation on: May 22, 2016, 09:53:02 am
Re: Pink Floyd in 9th on the list; likely a combination of Baby Boomers-turned-GOPers and then, of course, their children who were raised on the music. That it is Pink Floyd and not some other classic rock band is unsurprising. That said, for me, it was The Doors.

EDIT: I haven't really looked in-depth, but I'll assume the rest of the GOP list is downright awful. I'll take the Independents over either of these posers, though.
14  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Atlas Posters during the American Revolution on: May 21, 2016, 11:16:31 pm
From a religious identification standpoint, an independent America doesn't offer much hope. One of the purported motivators of anti-British sentiment was the granting of religious rights to Catholics in the Quebec/Ohio River Valley area. Handing the continent over to the more zealous Protestants doesn't seem a particularly wise choice.
15  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone IV - Hungover on: May 20, 2016, 01:57:46 pm
God do I hate math.

What're you hoping to do after school, college major & career-wise?
16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton Super PAC's "Does Trump speak for you?" ad earns "Pants on Fire" rating on: May 19, 2016, 07:45:09 pm
But it came out of Trump's mouth, right? It doesn't matter if he was talking about women, or China, or anything else, he did say it so how is it disingenuous to include it?

Uh... What? I'd think there'd be a difference in telling the jock who stole your chair at a sports game to go f#ck himself than telling a group of nuns or small children that. Your line of thinking assumes an inherent "badness" to the phrase that entirely disregards context (rendering it equally "bad" in all uses).
17  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Which made a greater mockery of the voting process? on: May 19, 2016, 07:40:58 pm
The Boaty McBoatface issue was particularly egregious as it resulted in the British government blatantly ignoring the will of the people.

The government recognizes that, in allowing "the people" to have a completely free say, horrible, horrible consequences resulted. Hopefully governments don't experiment with this sort of nonsense in the future.
18  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Ed Rendell: "There are probably more ugly women in America than attractive women on: May 19, 2016, 07:38:36 pm
At the very least, they ought to be equal. But, I think it would be appropriate to believe that, in order for attractiveness to exist, the majority would have to be less desirable. "There are more un-rich people than rich people" is common sense, surely. The stupidity of this is assuming that people properly recognize themselves as attractive and unattractive, and that their identification lines up with their interests.
19  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Write the previous poster's presidential campaign slogan on: May 19, 2016, 05:57:21 am
I'm With Her--Yes, a Female Atlas Poster
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: Is CO a Democratic state? on: May 18, 2016, 06:28:46 pm
No, it's leaning Dem. But winnable for the GOP under favorable circumstances. Just like NC for Dems.

Explain how a GOP president can win Colorado if its one of the top states with the most educational people that hold Bachelors degrees. Will the GOP have to radically change it's principles to an intellectual party to get their votes? That means, they'll have to change their positions and stop attracting social conservative religious people.

It is truly amusing how Democrats view themselves.  The GOP regularly wins White college graduates by a very comfortable margin.  Their problem is with minorities of all affluence levels (though they do slightly better among wealthy minorities, according to 2008 exit polls), not among the college educated.  There are plenty of college educated Whites who vote Republican, in fact more than vote Democrat.

This idea that an anti-Wall Street party that regularly loses the wealthy vote and regularly wins lower income voters is "elite" in any way, shape or form just because they win PhDs whose salary and life's work relies heavily on increased government spending is maddening, especially when so many Atlas posters are gladly buying into it.

Shhh... Remember, Democrats represent the cream of the intellectual and moral crop....
21  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Who was the better president? (By party) on: May 18, 2016, 03:35:54 pm
Cleveland is quickly becoming one of the most overrated Presidents ever because of what 19-year old libertarians and "conservatives" think he was, LOL.

Still doesn't make Harrison not dreadfully mediocre.
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: No Boy Governor - The Tale Of A World Without Bill Clinton on: May 15, 2016, 01:21:02 pm
Tsongas/Brown or vice-versa '92! (Though in all honesty, Brown's crime stances might've seriously hindered him in a general election int eh 1990's, so Tsongas might be more realistic)
23  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who is more religious? on: May 14, 2016, 04:19:17 pm
Some poster on here once claimed to have heard that Hilldawg is, in private, a relatively conservative Methodist.
24  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone IV - Hungover on: May 14, 2016, 06:52:35 am
A crisis with my girlfriend and subsequent prayer have convinced me that I need to return to my roots as a religious, pro-life, vintage-vibe leftist, not the weird embittered quasi-reactionary I've been slowly sliding towards being.

Can you provide greater descriptors of both options? "Embittered quasi-reactionary" sounds too fun.
25  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What's the WORST Hotel you've ever stayed at? on: May 14, 2016, 06:31:11 am
I accidentally booked a 'kink' hotel for my European vacation last week*.

Some highlights:
1) The 'room service' menu consisted entirely of whips, dildos, handcuffs and other sex objects that you could rent.
2) The lights in the room were all purple
3) The maids set the stereo system to a porno music playlist each day.


*It was far and away the cheapest option on Expedia with a good location and a king size bed

And they said social conservatives were quiet folks...
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