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1  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone III - The Whinge Binge on: June 28, 2015, 11:27:23 pm
I won second place in Sister Cities International's worldwide essay contest. Now I apparently have to read my essay to the Boynton Beach City Council. I'm trying to get out of that part.

Lol. Good luck!
I already emailed the lady and told her that I might be out of town. That should give me an enough time to find a way to attend the meeting without having to read it.

Oh you should read it. At these type of council events the expectations are low, so you can only do well. BTW my wife is the head of our local Sister Cities group and is currently in Germany at our Sister City. I'm home alone with the cat.

Remember to empty the litter!
2  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: List of Alternate Presidents on: June 28, 2015, 10:11:20 pm
Eight Years Too Early

35. Richard M. Nixon (R-CA)/Gerald R. Ford (R-MI) 1961-1966
36. Gerald R. Ford (R-MI)/vacant, Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY) 1966-1969

37. James E. Carter (D-GA)/Walter Mondale (D-MN) 1969-1973
38. Ronald W. Reagan (R-CA)/George H.W. Bush (R-TX) 1973-1981
39. George H.W. Bush (R-TX)/Richard G. Lugar (R-IN) 1981-1985

40. William J. Clinton (D-AR)/James R. Sasser (D-TN) 1985-1993
41. George W. Bush (R-TX)/Richard B. Cheney (R-WY) 1993-2001
42. Harvey Gantt (D-NC)/Joseph R. Biden (D-DE) 2001-2009
43. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY)/Timothy M. Kaine (D-VA) 2009-2013

44. John Kasich (R-OH)/Cory Gardner (R-CO) 2013-Present


Vice President Richard M. Nixon (R-CA)/Congressman Gerald R. Ford (R-MI) 305 electoral votes, 48.8% of the popular vote
Senator Hubert H. Humphrey (D-MN)/Senator Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX) 197 electoral votes, 47.9% of the popular vote
Governor Orval Faubus (SR-AR)/Senator Harry F. Byrd (SR-VA) 35 electoral votes, 3.1% of the popular vote


President Richard M. Nixon (R-CA)/Vice President Gerald R. Ford (R-MI) 497 electoral votes
Senator George S. McGovern (D-SD)/Senator John F. Kennedy (D-MA) 31 electoral votes
Unpledged Electors 10 electoral votes


Governor James E. Carter (D-GA)/Senator Walter Mondale (D-MN) 308 electoral votes
President Gerald R. Ford (R-MI)/Vice President Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY) 230 electoral votes


Governor Ronald W. Reagan (R-CA)/Senator George H.W. Bush (R-TX) 465 electoral votes
President James E. Carter (D-GA)/Vice President Walter Mondale (D-MN) 73 electoral votes
Congressman Pete McCloskey (I-CA)/Former Senator Eugene McCarthy (I-MN) 0 electoral votes


Vice President George H.W. Bush (R-TX)/Senator Richard Lugar (R-IN) 350 electoral votes
Governor Michael Dukakis (D-MA)/Senator Lloyd Bentsen (D-TX) 188 electoral votes


Governor William J. Clinton (D-AR)/Senator James R. Sesser (D-TN) 373 electoral votes
President George H.W. Bush (R-TX)/Vice President Richard Lugar (R-IN) 165 electoral votes
Congressman Ronald E. Paul (L-TX)/Ms. Theodora Nathan (L-OR) 0 electoral votes


President William J. Clinton (D-AR)/Vice President James R. Sasser (D-TN)/351 electoral votes
Senate Minority Leader Robert J. Dole (R-KS)/Congressman Jack F. Kemp (R-NY) 187 electoral votes
3  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Will Obama be remembered in the top 10 of Presidents? on: June 28, 2015, 08:54:55 pm
Historians currently rank him at about 17. Which means the following presidents are better than Obama:

Both Roosevelts

I'm comfortable saying that most of these guys are better.

Vomit.  Why isn't he in the bottom five?  
1. unnecessary foreign war
2. incompetent idealism on League of Nations
3. economic recession at end of 2nd term
4. very racist even by the standards of his time.

And don't give him credit for women's suffrage- he didn't even support it until after his reelection when it was basically inevitable.

Historians have a major hard on for Wilson. It's just one of those weird facts of life.

I assume that academics love Teddy Roosevelt for being the man they're too afraid to be, and love Wilson for being literally who they are. The first is a real life folk hero they can make action figures out of and play with, rendering their field of study the glitz of a piece of sensationalistic fiction. The second is basically the pinnacle of success in said field of study.
4  General Discussion / Alternative History / Re: Unfortunate Son on: June 28, 2015, 01:47:24 pm
December 20th, 1985

The Huron Automotive Detroit office Christmas party appeared to finally be wrapping up. Mattingly was sure as Hell glad for that. With Kate stuck taking care of all three of the kids at home, he had been loath to stay at the office during the run-up to Christmas of all times, but she had insisted. "The company needs you! These are good morale boosters!" He disdainfully mouthed her words as he sat, feet on one of the folding tables in the rec room, leaning back in the metal folding chair. Finding his Budweiser empty, he removed his feet from the table and slouched over to the fridge, only to find it empty. Shrugging, he reached towards his shirt pocket only to remember that he no longer kept a pack of cigarettes there. With three kids in the house, Kate had made him swear off smoking. Disappointed, he straightened himself up, cracked his back, noted that the cleaning lady was Mexican ("or some other South-of-the-border variety; good grief, what's happened to this country?"), and prepared to head home. Moving into the hallway towards his office to grab the heavy overcoat he kept there, he groaned to see employees were still in the building. "Sarah... What's her last name? Christ. As if we needed another f#cking secretary... Who's that on her arm? Her pathetic boyfriend or something?"

Sarah Hudson: Oh, sorry Mr. Mattingly! I was grabbing something from my office before going home! Have you met my husband?
Mattingly: [smacking his palm against his forehead] I, uh... I don't think I have. Hello, Christian Mattingly, businessman.
Dick Hudson: Uh, hi Mr. Mattingly. I'm Dick.
Mattingly: [smirks] Of course you are! Wonderful to meet you and all that!
Hudson: Sir, I hope you don't mind my saying, but you look familiar.
Mattingly: Well apparently I'm kinda famous now. Who would'a thought?
Sarah: Richard! Leave him alone!
Hudson: Were you ever involved in the Robert Griffin campaign in 1978?
Mattingly: If... memory serves correctly, then yes.
Hudson: I think I met you there, sir.
Mattingly: I'm sure you did- [un-squints his eyes, blinks] Wait, were you that scrawny kid in the ratty Pink Floyd t-shirt?
Hudson: I believe so, yes!
Mattingly: Did you ever grow up! Jesus F#ck. Do you have any cigarettes?
Hudson: I'm glad to say I quit after I graduated.
Mattingly: Well that's a damned shame, since my wife's forcing me to quit. Do you have any beer? Rec room fridge's all out?
Hudson: I was actually surprised to see a company serving beer-
Mattingly: We're all alcoholics here, Dick. You don't go from nothing to... whatever this is without acquiring some God-awful habits, I'll tell ya that.
Hudson: But no, I don't carry any on me.
Mattingly: Ah, well then it's a pleasure to meet you. I've gotta get back to the wife.
Hudson: [seeing Sarah wait impatiently next to him] It looks like I've got to as well! Listen, would you like to catch up at any point? It's been over seven years since Griffin won that nail-biter!
Mattingly: [removing flask from back pocket] Sure, why not? Bug... Sarah to bring you in on a Friday after 7 PM- after New Year's; I have a family after all.

At that point, Mattingly proceeded to move forward to find his overcoat in his office overlooking the floor of the first factory he'd bought. The Hudsons, meanwhile, made their way towards the exit.

Sarah: You know him? I've only met him a few times, he honestly scares me. Insane or whatever.
Hudson: Not really. I was a volunteer on a Senate campaign in '78 when I ran into him. He didn't strike me as a volunteer, so I've never been sure as to why he was there. Seemed like an interesting guy. Case study in the "Dole Democrat". Naturally, I'd like to pick his brain.
Sarah: I always thought he was terrifying. You should see the intensity in his eyes when he's sober.
Hudson: Speaking of, is he driving home!?
Sarah: Don't worry about it. His tolerance is higher than any of those frat boys you were so fond of back in college. From what I've heard, it's a serious problem. When he said "alcoholics", he wasn't kidding.
Hudson: Strange...
5  General Discussion / Alternative History / Re: Unfortunate Son on: June 28, 2015, 12:52:37 pm
1985, continued

By spring of 1985, Dole's cabinet had undergone a number of changes, though not in any particularly drastic way. Most significant was the gradual retiring of Democratic members originally brought on to ensure a veneer of bipartisanship. As well, some departments, specifically the Pentagon, would see a transition from "a disinterested, past-his-retirement old war horse with few relevant concerns in regards to his own department to a new, professional class". Such words were spoken by Connally's successor at Defense, Donald Rumsfeld himself. With Connally having previously left a large number of duties to his lieutenants in order to focus on the political and public relations aspect of his job, Rumsfeld--then only a lowly National Security Adviser--had begun to involve himself in an unofficial way in a number of the Pentagon's administrative and policy issues. With Connally's retirement in late 1983, Rumsfeld was the obvious choice for the job. Following Dole's re-election, Rumsfeld emerged with an agenda for a revamped army. Ceding that the Cold War was likely not long to last, and had nevertheless failed to erupt into a "hot war" utilizing both nuclear and conventional forces, Rumsfeld proposed that the army, already a volunteer force since the early 1970's, become more professionalized and more efficient. "If our boys do see combat again, I'll wager it'll be a lot more like Vietnam than the Second World War", he remarked. "As such, it's only natural that we prepare to win conflicts like Vietnam as opposed to defeating Hitler a million times over."

Secretary of State: George H.W. Bush (R-TX)
Secretary of the Treasury: Caspar Weinberger (R-CA)
Secretary of Defense: Donald Rumsfeld (R-IL)
Attorney General: Malcolm Wilson (R-NY)
Secretary of the Interior: Stanley K. Hathaway (R-WY)
Secretary of Agriculture: Christopher S. "Kit" Bond (R-MO)
Secretary of Commerce: Malcolm S. Baldridge, Jr. (R-CT)
Secretary of Labor: Jackie Presser (R-OH)
Secretary of Health and Human Services: Winfield Dunn (R-TN)
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development: Jack F. Kemp (R-NY)
Secretary of Transportation: Francis Rizzo (R-PA)
Secretary of Environment and Energy: Dixy Lee Ray (D-WA)

American politics would be relatively quiet throughout 1985. Despite a still large majority in the Senate  and good numbers in the House of Representatives, the Republican Party pushed few large pieces of legislation. Aside from deficit reduction packages and less-visible social and spending issues, the major focus of both the Senate and the Presidency would be towards the world stage. With the emergence of Mikhail Gorbachev as the new leader of the Soviet Union, a dramatic change in tone came to the Cold War. The ordinarily gruff Dole, with the guidance of seasoned Secretary of State George Bush, came to actually see the Soviet leader as an ally in ending the Cold War. In what would prove a rather unorthodox move resembling something much more in line with the experimental foreign policy of the 1970's, the enactment of sanctions against South Africa due to its apartheid policies would serve to alienate Great Britain while at the same time appearing almost as an act of good faith in the eyes of the new Soviet leader. In a partnership that few interested in geopolitics would have predicted, Dole and Gorbachev came to bond over their shared rural backgrounds, and the President voiced fervent support for Gorbachev's reform agenda.

Nevertheless, as the narrative grew that the Soviet Union was to broaden its citizens' freedom, the story was reversed on the other side of the globe. The 1980's would be marked by particularly high crime, and, having shifted focus away from economic policy, the President and his administration, in taking into account public opinion, sought to address it. While the Omnibus Anti-Crime Bill that passed in 1986 was, by-and-large, marked by "tough on crime" measures including federal funding for police "gang squads" as well as the development and deployment of new surveillance technologies, earmarks would, ironically, turn it into a more comprehensive proposal. Mid-Western farmers, seeking relief, had been lobbying for more markets for grain. While the Soviet Union had proven a boon to agribusiness, the lowering of eligibility requirements for food stamps, which was included in the OACB, would help them as well. Efforts by Jack Kemp, meanwhile, would round-out the anti-poverty component that few expected to be signed into law, including funding for housing, more extensive job-training programs, and the first federal legislation concerning "free enterprise zones". In speaking to reporters regarding HUD's contribution to the OACB, Kemp remarked "Crime is far from a legal problem; it's a societal problem. Some might say I'm sounding like a liberal Democrat here, but I've had to hear those accusations my entire time in politics. The fact is, we need to be both tough on crime and tough on its causes, otherwise we could see an entire generation of poor and minority children in jail." Some years later, Kemp would look back on those remarks with ire.

With gears turning on both foreign and domestic policy, the three issues that defined 1985 and, to some extent, 1986, would be crime, the deficit, and rapprochement with the Soviet Union. While President Dole seemed to be getting good marks from even liberals regarding new strides in foreign affairs as well as anti-poverty measures, the issue of deficit spending, combined with the economy's slowing growth, would be used to paint the Grand Old Party in a bad light as an election year approached. The inability by the Republican majority in the Senate and the Democratic majority in the House to agree on a meaningful deficit reduction plan would help to stir the previously dormant Democratic base, and Speaker Tip O'Neill was incredibly tired of "watching the Republicans run roughshod over the working class".
6  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 1952 Election (The Hearse at Monticello) on: June 27, 2015, 08:51:42 pm
Are we really going to elect some random no-name from Ohio and Richard Nixon just for the sake of change in this timeline?

Why do you call him a "no-name"?

He's not very notable, and doesn't seem to have done anything interesting in real-life. And we're just repeating the Nixon as VP thing if we elect this ticket.

Prior to his defeat in the 1958 Ohio Senate Election, he was seen as a conservative stalwart and might have been at the forefront of 1960's conservatism instead of Goldwater. With Bricker down, that's when the right really turned to GoldyBarr.
7  General Discussion / Alternative History / Re: Unfortunate Son on: June 27, 2015, 08:03:25 pm
1984 Senate Elections
Despite the Republicans' overwhelming victory in the Presidential Election, they would lose seats in the Senate, as they had in 1982. This was the result of the supermajority the party gained from the 1980 elections. Such numbers would prove unable to sustain, and a number of pessimists in the Republican camp (of which there were few following Bob Kennedy's downfall) were making claims that the majority would be utterly wiped out after 1986. The only Republican gain would be Mitch McConnell in Kentucky.

Republicans: 57 (-3)
Democrats: 43 (+3)
8  General Discussion / Alternative History / Re: Unfortunate Son on: June 27, 2015, 07:12:55 pm

Richard Alexander Hudson married Sarah Jane Madigan on July 7th, 1985. It had been far from a cakewalk. While Hudson had, at the beginning of their relationship, felt like the luckiest man in the world to be dating “the girl every guy in my high school had dreamed about”, things deteriorated after entry into college. Consumed by school, work, alcohol, cigarettes, (some) drugs, and a new social life bursting at the seams, the need for and attachment to her waned over the next two years. In Hudson’s junior year, Sarah had come from Michigan to visit him in New Hampshire and found him still drunk at 2 PM from the night before. Disgusted with his antics, she ended what had been Hudson’s first relationship. The lonely student had many distractions to ensconce himself in, however. Elected the president of both the student government and his fraternity while taking full class loads and assisting with scholarly research projects, it was only after graduation that Hudson  found himself drawn back to Michigan. Working for the Heritage Foundation while serving a stint in the New Hampshire House of Representatives, he had nevertheless wandered home for Independence Day in 1983. Running into her at one of the two liquor stores in the township on July 3rd, he was awestruck. The same half-golden/half-brown hair stretched down to and past her shoulders. The same piercing eyes still glinted at him from under a wayward bang. The same eternally tan skin stretched across her frame. After exchanging a few comments, they parted ways. After a series of phone calls and a few visits back to Michigan, their relationship resumed in November of that year. Hard to maintain across several states and/or Canada, Hudson nevertheless returned to Michigan in autumn of 1984, the last official session of the NH House having wrapped up (despite his term of office ending in 1985), and  he rented a small house with two brothers from Phi Gamma’s Wayne State Chapter, where he enrolled in their graduate program in political science. Proposing to her on Christmas, they both decided, tired of waiting, that they ought to be married within six months. Budgetary and planning issues pushed the ceremony into July. With Hudson working as a research assistant and Sarah, who had served under the township’s only lawyer as a secretary for the last three years, taking a clerical job in Huron Automotive’s miniscule legal department, they were able to afford the rent on a small home in what would become known as Mid-Town.

1985 would be a landmark year for Christian Mattingly as well. The year before, the establishment of Prola Transportation, a subsidiary that worked with municipalities in the production of specific vehicles for their public works and safety departments, had seen success. Nevertheless, the negotiation with third-parties such as construction companies had proved tiresome, and in March of 1985, Prola Construction was formed, completing a years-long period of vertical integration. “We supply the men, we supply the trucks, we supply the architects. We transfer third-party and governmental authority into our hands and minimize skimming by other firms.” Taking advantage of “austere” policies by state and municipal governments, the Prola branches were already seeing good projections for the fiscal year of 1987. As well, on October 2nd of that year, the twins Matthew Ford and Michael James Mattingly were born. Dizygotic, Matt (older by a few minutes) would later grow black hair while Mike had blonde.

Well to the South of Michigan, two statesmen whose roots lay in the Old Confederacy looked ahead optimistically. For Jefferson Dent, a liberal Democrat from Alabama of all places, the landslide defeat of his political ally Albert Brewer was far from a black spot on his career. While friends of his were consoling him on what appeared the demise of a promising political career, Dent was already scheming his return to elected office. His stint as Secretary of State, despite a lack of large scale accomplishments, had improved his national image. Previously, Dent had mid-level name recognition for a Senator, and his reputation was that of a far-left liberal and a political anomaly. The move to Secretary of State had not only spared him from the possibility of defeat in 1980, but had also cemented a national image as an apolitical statesman. While there had been pressure on Dent to pursue the  Alabama Governor's Mansion in 1982, he had resisted, being far from overly fond of having to step into the nitty-gritty of local machine politics and take public stances on state sales tax rates. Avoiding the temptation to try to primary Howell Heflin, Dent had spent 1984 working hard for Garrett in the South. Familiarizing himself with progressive grassroots networks and racial political divides throughout the region, Dent's work had essentially constructed a list of contacts forming the skeleton of a national organization. Combined with allies from his days in DC, Dent was prepared to launch a Presidential bid. "Since Kennedy's resignation, liberalism--true liberalism--has been on the run. While many might think that Garrett's defeat set us back, it proved that there was still enough support within the party to nominate an avowed quasi-Marxist for God's sake! After another four years of Dole, hopefully this country will have come to its senses. Hopefully." Nevertheless, Dent realized that a campaign by a former Secretary of State would be unorthodox, and with eight blank years on his resume. As such, in October of 1985, he announced the campaign to retake his Senate seat.

Above: Former Secretary of State Jefferson Dent during a smoke break on the 1984 campaign trail for Christopher Garrett. Many would compare Dent's actions during the 1981-1988 interim in many ways reminiscent of Nixon's during the 1960's--a rising star struck down by electoral defeat, looking for a comeback. While Dent himself hadn't been on the ballot in 1980, for the man who was without office, he might have well been.

For the other Southern statesman, Vice President A. Linwood Holton also had his eyes on the White House. While he had little considered a run for the Presidency prior to 1980, especially given his growing alienation from his own state party. Nevertheless, the successful 1980 campaign had given him ambitions, and the apparent Republican majority as validated in 1984 made him think that the infrastructure might be there to secure a third Republican victory in a row. While Holton was known for his principled stances, and was associated by-and-large with the liberal wing of his party on political issues, his ambitions would force him to square the circle between principle and politics. As such, Holton began emphasizing those issues on which he'd sided with the establishment. These would largely be in the realm of foreign policy and law-and-order issues. On the stump for Republican candidates in 1984 and for the upcoming 1986 mid-terms, Holton latched onto these issues, which mattered more and more in the face of what was apparently a successful Republican-led foreign policy and the rising tide of crime that characterized the 1980's. Having little attachment to median Republican voter prior to his Vice Presidency, Holton was working overtime to build conservative credentials.
9  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 1952 Election (The Hearse at Monticello) on: June 27, 2015, 04:16:12 pm
Are we really going to elect some random no-name from Ohio and Richard Nixon just for the sake of change in this timeline?

Why do you call him a "no-name"?
10  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone III - The Whinge Binge on: June 27, 2015, 12:16:31 am
I won second place in Sister Cities International's worldwide essay contest. Now I apparently have to read my essay to the Boynton Beach City Council. I'm trying to get out of that part.

Lol. Good luck!
11  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone III - The Whinge Binge on: June 26, 2015, 10:51:54 am
Tempted to steal a roommate's cigarette. As usual, I'm dreading the weekend. Two eleven hour shifts Saturday and Sunday, as has become normal for my schedule. Hoping to avoid sucking down a pack of smokes again throughout those 22 hours, so I'll probably pick up a tin, which can last me much longer.
12  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone III - The Whinge Binge on: June 26, 2015, 10:46:54 am
Wasting my days refining this massive Google Sheet that all this data is on. Starting to come together. Hopefully some discernible trend is findable, though I'll likely have to separate it into Central European, Eastern European, and Asian to find anything at all. Pissing me off that "Freedom in our World Today" only goes back to 1998. Gonna have to plumb the depths of their website to find out what type of pre-'98 data they have.
13  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: "Who would fictional characters vote for?" omnibus thread on: June 26, 2015, 12:13:12 am
Orange is The New Black:

(Obviously the convicts couldn't vote but if they could)
Healy: Romney
Caputo: Strikes me as a moderate hero, probably Obama
Piper: Obama
Alex: Obama
Lorna: Obama
Red: Romney (possibly conservative former Soviet)
Pennsyltucky: I'd say Santorum but she increasingly doesn't seem to buy into the religious sh**t.
Daya: Obama
Mendoza: Obama
Soso: Probably Jill Stein if she isn't just an apolitical Anarchist

I just saw Red earlier today claim that being nice was for cowards and Democrats, so yeah, probably something Republican.
14  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Supreme Court rules with Raisin Farmers, Against USDA Program on: June 25, 2015, 11:56:04 pm
Horrible decision. The fewer raisins there are, the better. Raisins are disgusting and should be banned.

Trail mix? Raisin Bran? Oatmeal raisin cookies!?
15  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone III - The Whinge Binge on: June 25, 2015, 10:32:24 pm
Spent my work shift (which I'm still at/on) punching Freedom House rankings of ex-Soviet countries into a spreadsheet. I'm guessing that this data already exists in a similar format, but I felt like compiling it on my own.
16  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Who are your favorite white people? on: June 25, 2015, 10:31:17 pm
Myself, naturally. What's wrong with you people?
17  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Should Indy Texas become Indy Wisconsin? on: June 25, 2015, 10:30:28 pm
Better pay, good climate, and my cousins go to UW Madison, so Hell yeah.
18  General Politics / Book Reviews and Discussion / Re: What Book Are You Currently Reading? on: June 25, 2015, 10:28:01 pm
Picked up "Social Origins of Democracy and Dictatorship" by Barrington Moore Jr. a few weeks ago. More than halfway through, but I've been distracted, and it's due back about July 7th, I think. If I wanted, I could probably plow through it by then, but I'm not predicting it'll be so easy.
19  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: How should massive terrorist attacks be responded to? on: June 25, 2015, 10:26:15 pm
All options should be on the table.

I don't agree with Lief often, but how is this not the only answer?
20  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Foreign Languages Taught in US Public Schools on: June 25, 2015, 10:24:26 pm
Why is there a limit to five? Shouldn't we want our children to be as knowledgeable as possible? Admittedly, with high school, you're limited to only (usually) four years to drill in the necessary knowledge, but in ideal circumstances, for those few classes that high schoolers do have as electives, they'd have virtually unlimited possibilities.
21  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Jim Webb on: June 25, 2015, 10:21:57 pm
The one Democrat I like in the field.
22  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Your opinion on Abortion on: June 25, 2015, 05:48:26 pm

Part of me would like to think that "labeling theory" might apply here.
23  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Your opinion on Abortion on: June 25, 2015, 09:21:49 am
I don't like it at all but it isn't the government's job to dictate morality

That's actually exactly the job of the government. Else why would we have it? And I echo Mr. Fine's comments.

It exists to ensure domestic tranquility and allow people to succeed, not put the morality of the person that happens to be in charge into law. All the progressives here talk about how gay marriage laws shouldn't be based on personal morality, so the same should go for all laws.

How are domestic tranquility and success objectively good things? Politics is a fight to decide whose morality gets to rule. I might as well have it be mine.
24  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: President of Spokane NAACP outed as white imposter on: June 24, 2015, 09:28:01 pm

She may have made most of the cultural transition to being black, but she is still a white woman here. 

No deceit here. The woman in the image has clearly renounced all connections to any prior 'whiteness' except for keeping a Czech maiden name that blew her cover.

How is the latter a credible imitation of a black woman? Are you that racist?
25  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Your opinion on Abortion on: June 24, 2015, 05:28:22 pm
I don't like it at all but it isn't the government's job to dictate morality

That's actually exactly the job of the government. Else why would we have it? And I echo Mr. Fine's comments.
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