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1  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Lower the age of majority to 16? on: Today at 09:40:40 pm
Big advocate.
2  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of the previous poster's signature: Return of the Jedi on: Today at 09:39:33 pm
Like a skinnier George Costanza...
3  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Libertarianism vs Communitarianism on: Today at 09:37:33 pm
No man is an island entire of itself

Back in the day, I got to help paint this phrase on a campus rock!
4  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Conservative Democrats vs. Liberal Republicans on: Today at 05:50:13 pm
"Populists vs. Social liberals"

This is hardly guaranteed, though. While perhaps less common, one can certainly imagine, say, Chuck Robb bs. Ray LaHood.

How many Republican moderate Senators are more economically moderate than socially so? Even in the House, the only people close to being more economic left-wing by a good amount than socially left-wing are Walter B. Jones, Jr., Jimmy Duncan, and Duncan Hunter.

I simply think it's stupid and self-serving to think of "relatively left-wing Republicans" as simply moderate classical liberals. The same applies to seeing "relatively right-wing Democrats" as merely a proxy term for "populist" communitarian. How much did the Reaganites' opposition to the "establishment" have as well to do with their lack of clear-cut opposition to the welfare state? How much of current complaints about the Democratic establishment have to do with its purported collusion with the late twentieth century's deregulation? Moreover, how limited are we as to time? The allegedly "progressive" Republican Theodore Roosevelt was no Charlie Baker, and Robert LaFollette was endorsed by socialists.

Now, if we want to define "liberal" and "conservative" along libertarian/communitarian lines, that perfectly suits my interests. Smiley

Sure, but generally, nine times out of ten, if's the truth.

Perhaps among officeholders.
5  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Conservative Democrats vs. Liberal Republicans on: Today at 03:15:47 pm
"Populists vs. Social liberals"

This is hardly guaranteed, though. While perhaps less common, one can certainly imagine, say, Chuck Robb bs. Ray LaHood.

How many Republican moderate Senators are more economically moderate than socially so? Even in the House, the only people close to being more economic left-wing by a good amount than socially left-wing are Walter B. Jones, Jr., Jimmy Duncan, and Duncan Hunter.

I simply think it's stupid and self-serving to think of "relatively left-wing Republicans" as simply moderate classical liberals. The same applies to seeing "relatively right-wing Democrats" as merely a proxy term for "populist" communitarian. How much did the Reaganites' opposition to the "establishment" have as well to do with their lack of clear-cut opposition to the welfare state? How much of current complaints about the Democratic establishment have to do with its purported collusion with the late twentieth century's deregulation? Moreover, how limited are we as to time? The allegedly "progressive" Republican Theodore Roosevelt was no Charlie Baker, and Robert LaFollette was endorsed by socialists.

Now, if we want to define "liberal" and "conservative" along libertarian/communitarian lines, that perfectly suits my interests. Smiley
6  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Who would be in your Presidential administration? on: Today at 11:18:20 am
Please don't disgrace Mika's father by making employment in failed administrations a family business.
7  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Who's your favorite Atlas poster from your political opposition? on: Today at 11:15:26 am
RINO Tom.
8  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Conservative Democrats vs. Liberal Republicans on: Today at 11:11:40 am
"Populists vs. Social liberals"

This is hardly guaranteed, though. While perhaps less common, one can certainly imagine, say, Chuck Robb bs. Ray LaHood.
9  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Conservative Democrats vs. Liberal Republicans on: July 24, 2017, 10:16:15 pm
I'd prefer Reuben Askew over Nelson Rockefeller; nevertheless, I'd easily take Silvio Conte over George Wallace.
10  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) on: July 24, 2017, 05:16:34 pm
The biggest FF in the Senate.  A courageous defender of liberty, both as as Texas's attorney general and now in the Senate.  A watchdog against big government, a protector of life, and a stalwart for conservative judges.  

Would have been an amazing President, and I hope he runs again in the future.  His nickname should be Terrific Ted.

Thought for sure he was Solicitor General.
11  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Opinion of Ramadan on: July 24, 2017, 05:00:34 pm
Is this real.

FS. Not a bunch of commercialistic trash like Christmas.


thats why even non Christians like Christmas and even loosely celebrate it.

Is that a good thing?

Yes, because I loved getting presents on Christmas from who I thought was Santa(who I thought was real till I turned 8 )when I was little .Also I liked putting up a Christmas tree and going to Christmas parties .

Surely, if we needed some secular holiday to use an excuse to give and receive gifts, we could choose some secular holiday or construct a Cult of Reason like in Revolutionary France. Why not Thanksgiving? An obese pilgrim could clamber down every noble patriot's chimney in late November, granting the "gifts of liberty" to materialistic little children.
12  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Microsoft could be killing off Paint in the next creators update on: July 24, 2017, 04:54:18 pm
Ridiculous. Atrocious. Foul.
13  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: If and when possible, would you use a self-driving vehicle? on: July 24, 2017, 04:14:30 pm
Of course not.
14  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Someone From the Other Party You Would Support for President on: July 24, 2017, 03:37:57 pm
Jim Webb

Kind of awkward now, no?
15  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Do you regularly message/talk to other Atlas members? on: July 23, 2017, 09:01:58 pm
Of course not.
16  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of everything on: July 23, 2017, 09:00:46 pm
Literally the worst.
17  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Santander is Atlas Red again on: July 23, 2017, 08:52:45 pm
Do we have to have a thread for everything?
18  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Opinion of Ramadan on: July 23, 2017, 08:48:00 pm
Is this real.

FS. Not a bunch of commercialistic trash like Christmas.


thats why even non Christians like Christmas and even loosely celebrate it.

Is that a good thing?
19  General Discussion / History / Re: Which Presidents did, and didn't cheat on their wives? on: July 23, 2017, 07:38:23 am
I'm pretty sure Nixon is in the "did not" category.

My high school principal (who was subbbing for our then-deceased government teacher) once remarked that Nixon had been faithful "'cause he was too ugly." That apparently didn't get in Johnson's way, however...
20  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Could it be that Trump is not really "the villain"? on: July 23, 2017, 07:36:58 am
He's more of a Boris Yeltsin figure at this rate.

Obama as Gorbachev and Bush as Brezhnev does make a tiny bit of sense.
21  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Best Person to Ever Become President on: July 23, 2017, 07:35:16 am
JQA is the first name that comes to mind.

Solid choice.
22  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Bill Clinton vs. Barack Obama on: July 23, 2017, 07:34:09 am
Obama, both in intent and in action. Obama, while he was met with obstruction, never did totally sell out his Liberal values. Clinton was perhaps one of the most adroit and adept politicians of the 20th century, and for that he deserves credit - but he was also the most immoral, and most lacking in any convictions. He was willing to throw gays, the poor and blacks under the Bus to win re-election rather than sticking to his principles. He was basically Ronald Reagan with a D next to his name. At least Reagan was a true believer in his views.

Also, while I try not to condemn people's personal choices, he could've been more discreet with his affairs, and learned some self control. There are men who cheat out of unhappiness - I can sympathize with them. Clinton strikes me as the type who could not rule his sexual impulses, and I can't justify that.

I can't condone cheating from a politician, ever. When people like Bill Clinton, John Edwards, Eliot Spitzer, and Anthony Weiner cheat, it doesn't just hurt them and their spouses, it hurts everyone. Bill-o's dick literally cost Al Gore the election and got 500,000 Iraqis killed. Sure, you can say that any number of things cost Gore, but Bill-o's dick was one of those things. That's the unforgivable sin. Barack Obama made incredible sacrifices in his personal life for his politics, and I expect people who I give my vote to, to take their role seriously enough that they are willing to do what Obama did.

That being said, Bill was the better president.

By this logic ,do you support Republicans cheating on their spouses?
23  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: President Johnson is Dead: Turbulent Times in the New Frontier on: July 23, 2017, 06:59:48 am
Somewhat surprised you're portraying Kennedy as being to the left of Johnson. Given Jack's relative conservatism in the Senate, I wouldn't have been surprised if his years at the helm were seen as a long list of wasted opportunities for America's progressives. This is still very early though. Fantastic work!
24  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Undergare U.S. citizens/Foreigners on: July 22, 2017, 08:37:44 pm
"Undergare" ?

I think typo is obvious.

"Underage" did not occur to me until peebs suggested it.
I was honestly wondering at first if this was some word you thought meant something in English.

I corrected it because the aesthetics of typing errors are atrocious.
25  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Is there a difference between Liberalism and Progressivism? on: July 22, 2017, 03:20:50 pm
To elucidate (as I understand it), within the context of the second half of the twentieth century, "liberalism" lay primarily within the center of the Democratic Party; you could confidently at various points call Harry Truman, John F. Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, Hubert Humphrey, John Kerry, and Hillary Clinton all "liberals". That these men (and one woman!) did not all stand behind the same set of beliefs isn't entirely relevant--they represented the center-left of the United States during their times of prominence. This is somewhat interesting in that, up until at least the 1970's, one could be a liberal in the sense that they supported (moderate) organized labor, civil rights, and some form of stance against communism. As liberalism moved on, those that clung particularly stridently to this formulation became paleoliberals. At some point, liberalism became somewhat more comfortable with (limited) deregulation, and so liberals became assailed by those that had passed them by as neoliberals.

For our purposes, what we call progressivism in the era since the beginning of the 1940's could be called in some sense a protest ideology, and in some sense comprising the "left flank" within the more mainstream region of American politics. "Progressives" lined up behind a number of anti-establishment left-wing candidates (few of them winning). Retroactively, I would include in this category Henry Wallace, George McGovern, Frank Church, Jerry Brown (in some sense), Bill Bradley, and Howard Dean (if not Dennis Kucinich). In the most recent lexicon, America's self-identified progressives supported Bernie Sanders and, in general, take a more "comprehensive" view of policy--believing that long-standing social issues ought to be addressed rather than be given piecemeal half-measures (including those that are means-tested).

In a pre-New Deal era, "progressivism" could be described as a more non-partisan, if not non-ideological phenomenon, as it attracted supporters from both parties and constituted more a "reform" program than direct egalitarianism.

This little blurb is not intended to account for the variety of "liberal Republicans" of the Cold War era who seem to comprise that same strain of progressive or reform Republicanism of years past, as well as merely those that were more willing to accept the New Deal than their conservative contemporaries.
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