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1  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: I've been trolling you all on: April 01, 2015, 11:06:36 pm
It's still Atlas Timestamp April 1.
2  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone III - The Whinge Binge on: April 01, 2015, 04:32:30 pm
I'm having really severe self-doubts. This wouldn't be the most sensitive crowd to which to explain of what kind, exactly, but take my word for it that it's bad.
3  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Christians: Is the Bible complete and perfect? on: April 01, 2015, 03:51:57 pm
Madeleine, do you then suppose because it is not inerrant that some bits could not be done away with? Or isn't it possible that a particularly enlightening new interpretation be considered essential doctrine and so be added? What you say regarding salvation I agree needs nothing, of course, but there are just a lot of, well, little things.

It could be but it won't. That's a practical fact of the way the faith works that I understand as more important than theoretical possibilities for the way the faith might work in another world.

I'm disappointed with how dismissive this is, especially because it's not difficult to imagine circumstances where it would be useful to change things without losing the core of the message, but I won't press it any further. It's going off-topic anyway.

I'm sorry, I'm just too much of a Boston Pragmatist about this to be able to answer it any differently. I could give this more thought and PM you a more elaborated answer if you'd like.
4  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: indiana is a theocratic hellhole, part 2936 on: March 31, 2015, 07:21:31 pm
'Neglect' is a funnily anemic way to characterize putting a live baby in a dumpster anyway.
5  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Christians: Is the Bible complete and perfect? on: March 31, 2015, 01:39:38 pm
It's complete, but it's definitely not perfect in the sense of being inerrant. It's only 'perfect' or 'infallible' in that nothing that it doesn't contain is necessary for salvation, and nothing that it does contain is actively detrimental to salvation. I guess it could be considered to be perfect in the sense that it is as good as it could be at being what it is, but that strikes me as something of a platitude.

even plainly reactionary pseudopauline letters, like 2 Titus?  which are used primarily to beat women over the head in conservative churches whenever they feel called to raise their voice, or to "preach"?

Yes, even with 2 Titus, while it's clearly wrong, God wouldn't damn someone for doing what it said (presuming they didn't go, uh...above and beyond the call of duty, shall we say, about it). But that is a feature of God and a promise that I understand God to have made rather than a feature of the Bible. Ascribing this sort of special and unambiguous saving power to the Bible itself is wrongheaded on just about every level.

Madeleine, do you then suppose because it is not inerrant that some bits could not be done away with? Or isn't it possible that a particularly enlightening new interpretation be considered essential doctrine and so be added? What you say regarding salvation I agree needs nothing, of course, but there are just a lot of, well, little things.

It could be but it won't. That's a practical fact of the way the faith works that I understand as more important than theoretical possibilities for the way the faith might work in another world.
6  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of describing yourself as 'fiscally ________' on: March 31, 2015, 01:30:31 pm
I'm biased against it, but that could just be because I'm biased against 'fiscally conservative but socially liberal' people.
7  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What are you listening to right now? II on: March 31, 2015, 01:29:38 pm
Haim--'If I Could Change Your Mind'
8  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: the 4 Gospels or the Pauline Corpus on: March 31, 2015, 02:00:08 am
The Gospels (plus Acts), since my understanding of Christianity is fundamentally about narrative rather than rules.
9  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Christians: Is the Bible complete and perfect? on: March 31, 2015, 01:56:01 am
It's complete, but it's definitely not perfect in the sense of being inerrant. It's only 'perfect' or 'infallible' in that nothing that it doesn't contain is necessary for salvation, and nothing that it does contain is actively detrimental to salvation. I guess it could be considered to be perfect in the sense that it is as good as it could be at being what it is, but that strikes me as something of a platitude.
10  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Social Science History #4: Opinion of Theodore Adorno on: March 30, 2015, 06:32:56 pm
There's some honestly kind of creepy discussion of women in Minima Moralia. Also, I like jazz.
11  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Trevor Noah to host Daily Show on: March 30, 2015, 03:34:30 pm
Who?
12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Which State Will Elect an Atheist Republican First? on: March 30, 2015, 02:59:32 pm
Heck had there ever been an atheist Democrat senator?

Thomas Gore.

As far as I know, we have no (open) atheists in the chambers right now, despite Krysten Sinema being well known to refuse to identify with a religion. She has denied the label of atheist.

OP is out of the question for a long time, but were a state to elect an atheist Republican today, the states that would be the best candidates would be New England states.

What a coward.

I'm not sure if she's said anything that would cast doubt on this, but based on what I know about Sinema, she could very well not be an atheist. Atheists aren't the only people who don't identify with a religion.
13  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of American posters who post in British English on: March 30, 2015, 02:53:14 pm
I do creative writing in British English, have no memory of why I started, and am too used to it to stop, so I can't really vote HP, but I get why it's unsavory.
14  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: opinion of this image on: March 30, 2015, 02:51:31 pm

Surely even you must concede that spending a hundred grand a year so you don't have to cook for yourself comes close to being objectively frivolous.
15  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone III - The Whinge Binge on: March 30, 2015, 01:10:32 pm
One of my friends is going through a pretty bad time--unrequited crushes on straight girls, existential crisis about her perceived ability to live up to her own standards, fully realizing that she will never not have to deal with sexism, stuff of that sort. I'm worried about her, and worried that my attempts to figure out what was going on and give her advice when I saw her yesterday may have come across as intrusive.
16  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Do you consider yourself "tolerant"? on: March 30, 2015, 01:03:30 pm
To be honest, not really. Even though diversity is something I intrinsically value to an extent that even other 'multiculturalist' types sometimes find a little weird, there are some things for which I have a pretty strong distaste that I know on some level are really none of my business. I consider this a flaw, but am not really working on it, which is also a flaw.
17  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of TED Talks on: March 30, 2015, 12:56:07 pm
Some of the comments on that post are golden.

Quote from: 'Jay'
Sorry Galileo, looks like you’ve got ODD. Time to take your Zoloft.

Now that CNN has declared that god is dead because evil rednecks, misguided minorities that don’t know what they’re doing and uppity blonde haired polygamists believe in him, The “Institutions of ‘Science'” are the new de-facto pulpit. Those denying their message of truth and beauty will simply be branded heretical bullies, regardless of how factual the denial may be, so please keep your 95 theses to yourself. It must be lonely being that cynical, ha ha, whoops, I mean depressing. I Can’t seem to find loneliness in the DSM V, so it no longer exists as a valid human emotion.
18  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of TED Talks on: March 30, 2015, 12:43:35 pm
Not having to watch TED talks is part of my definition of freedom, and I'm extremely suspicious of any class or potential career opportunity that heavily involves them.
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Should the House of Representatives be increased in size? on: March 30, 2015, 12:41:57 pm
I stand corrected. But that just makes the original argument even stranger.
20  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Reaganfan Theatre of Absurdity, Ignorance, and Bad Posts V on: March 30, 2015, 12:08:02 am
After the intolerant natives were wiped out or conquered, and one dominant religion was established, and languages were limited to 3 or 4 (more or less), the Americas became the most racially tolerant place on earth.

Conflicting. But anyway....

Democrats, shut the hell up and stop your racist belly-aching about racist America. You wouldn't know racism if Mugabe delivered the keynote speech at your graduation.

That post took four words to go south (unless he's being sarcastic, which I doubt). Incredible.
21  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XXII: Cleaning Up the Meat at [redacted]. on: March 28, 2015, 02:09:08 am
An ex-Evangelical friend is trying to explain some Evangelical lingo to me and I wanted to ask Bushie for corroboration on some of it.

Is it true that the word 'worship' refers specifically to parts of a service that include singing and doesn't include communion or the sermon or whatever else?
Is it true that the word 'liturgy' is frowned upon even though the service seems to have a set order? If so, do you know why?
Is it true that communion, when given, typically comes before the sermon?

1) Worship refers to any act that we do as Christians.  it can include singing, preaching, praying, even secular work and play can be worship.  As long as we do it for the glory of God, then it can be considered worship.
2) The word "liturgy" is not frowned upon at all.  Scripture is an integral part of any worship service.  Any good church will read some Scripture during the course of the service, not just at the message, even if it's just to introduce the next song or hymn.
3) I've always taken communion immediately following the sermon and invitation.  The reason for this is the sermon is usually tied in with communion and gives time for soul-searching and close inspection of the soul before God.  It also gives an opportunity for those who are not eligible to receive communion (those who do not know Christ as their personal Savior and those with unconfessed sin) to receive Him and ask forgiveness to partake in the communion bread and grape juice.  (Baptists generally use grape juice instead of wine).

I'll answer more questions tomorrow afternoon.  I need to go to bed for now, but these are answers from within the Southern Baptist Convention.  I can't speak for other denominations, because I don't know their practices.

Thanks for the answers! I asked my friend and, as IndyTX seems to have just correctly guessed, she grew up in a nondenominational church, not a member of any of the big Evangelical denominations. That's probably why her experience of those words and concepts was so different from yours.
22  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XXII: Cleaning Up the Meat at [redacted]. on: March 27, 2015, 11:29:15 pm
An ex-Evangelical friend is trying to explain some Evangelical lingo to me and I wanted to ask Bushie for corroboration on some of it.

Is it true that the word 'worship' refers specifically to parts of a service that include singing and doesn't include communion or the sermon or whatever else?
Is it true that the word 'liturgy' is frowned upon even though the service seems to have a set order? If so, do you know why?
Is it true that communion, when given, typically comes before the sermon?
23  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Chuck Schumer on: March 27, 2015, 10:16:09 pm
Just terrible.
24  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Rep. Barbara Lee: Climate Change Will Lead to Prostitution on: March 27, 2015, 10:08:11 pm
She's really not at all wrong, except in using the creepy euphemisms for prostitution that are de rigeur in some circles now.
25  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Seth MacFarlane for VP? on: March 27, 2015, 10:02:57 pm
Objectively a terrible pick
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