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1  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Can we ban Oldiesfreak now? on: Today at 01:02:29 am
X Nathan
2  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Favourite latest post by previous poster on: April 23, 2014, 10:18:52 pm
I hate coffee, but I like Coca-Cola, so only a few small ones.
3  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Shrek Is Love on: April 23, 2014, 09:42:09 pm
What a needlessly shrekstravagant show of depravity.
4  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Opinion of Lesbian Sex Scenes on TV! on: April 23, 2014, 08:50:16 pm
Devin, it's certainly OK to have some points of disagreement with radical feminist theory, but when you use a quote to illustrate such disagreements, you should actually have a basic understanding of what the words in it actually mean. Here, it's pretty clear that you don't understand what the term "dominant" means in this context. Do some research if you are interested in getting Susan Griffin's argument. If you aren't, you should probably stop posting in this thread.

I don't think you need to condition that. I mean, we can debate for a while to draw out his true self or we can just recognize that he's with high probability just another misogynist creep and leave it at that. I'm inclined to do the latter and I'd definitely advise Nathan to.

And sigh at this thread. The weird and fairly hypocritical nature of all these sex threads seem very lost on its enthusiastic participants. And that is amusing and even a bit interesting. I'm going to think about that a bit. Tongue
Why do people on the internet have a damn obsession with calling people misogynist? I don't hate women,I just see of hypocrisy here. When some random internet person says something negative about a woman people freak out, and claim all mra are like that. Yet when a feminist does it is fine.

...huh?!
5  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Young Americans are dumbs on: April 23, 2014, 08:49:30 pm
More useful purposes like what?


Some have suggested a cut in personal income tax rates. Some have suggested a fast train between 2 cities in the Central Valley. Some have suggested a repair of our roadways. It turns out that the government education industry complex devours enough resources to cover all of the above in some manner.

Mental care for the mentally ill? It would be beneficial for you.

Well, people like you provided $320 billion a year to the teachers unions instead. Consider that another example of those unions winning the treasury while the common man loses, if you wish.

krazen, I think I've said this before, but I really am sorry that beautiful public school teacher broke your heart. You have my deepest sympathy.
6  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Young Americans are dumbs on: April 23, 2014, 08:39:42 pm
More useful purposes like what?


Some have suggested a cut in personal income tax rates. Some have suggested a fast train between 2 cities in the Central Valley. Some have suggested a repair of our roadways. It turns out that the government education industry complex devours enough resources to cover all of the above in some manner.

All fine ideas! Perhaps also we could spend some on improving our schools.
7  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: parody the preceding atlasian's postings. on: April 23, 2014, 05:15:27 pm
I know now that Objectivism and Christianity are incompatible, but I still think that Rand gets a bad rap. Maybe it's possible to find some insights in anarcho-capitalism?

I read a delightful proto-feminist haiku (kanshi form, of course) which would have served well as a parody, but I don't particularly feel any desire to seek it out at the moment since, among other things, I have to attend meeting of a lesbian coven later tonight and I can't seem to find my robes.

Kanshi by definition cannot be haiku, and covens of any kind would be heretical at best.

Even so, I laughed.
8  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Indira Gandhi on: April 23, 2014, 05:10:11 pm
I'm thinking of making 'an HP who was good for it' my standard response to questions about such figures, honestly.
9  General Politics / Economics / Re: Which is worse Hyperinflation or Deflation? on: April 23, 2014, 05:08:57 pm
For sure I prefer deflation.  All things equal I prefer deflation over even small amounts of inflation.

jaichind's got money in the bank.

Yes, I am a significant creditor so all creditor prefer deflation. 

But it is more then that.  It is also a function of the fact that I reached a point in my career where I am doing a good job at megacorp with high compensation where I can argue I am overpaid.  Since I am doing a reasonably good job my megacorp will not cut my pay but they could slowing have my compensation increase fall short of inflation as a way to adjust my compensation in line with my contribution.  Deflation or very low inflation would not allow them to do this to my benefit.   I am fine with any inflation below 2% although I prefer deflation from a compensation management strategy point if view.  Looking ahead, using inflation swaps, CPI is expected to be around 2% the next three years and around 2.5% over the next 10 years.  I could live with that as I am working toward semi-retirement 3-4 years from now when this concern about being overpaid would not matter anymore.

Oh, surely that's a fine set of reasons for you to prefer deflation, but this thread is trying to establish what's worse. That isn't all about you.
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Young Americans are dumbs on: April 23, 2014, 04:58:58 pm
With the astonishing amount of money squandered by the government education industry complex, such figures are truly amazing.

Even more amazing data is the massive amounts of windfall profits reaped by those teachers despite stagnant student enrollment. They are winning the treasury.

What is your solution krazen?

Win the treasury back.

How?

That's the easiest question of all. Put the government education industry complex on a diet

Food metaphors for politics are both stupid and useless.

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by firing staff, cut the fat cats, and redirect funds to more useful purposes.

More useful purposes like what?

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All it needs is a fellow with some mettle to take the fight to the enemy.

You're right, we do need more like Sherrod Brown and Liz Warren in high office in this country! I'm glad we see eye-to-eye on this.
11  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: parody the preceding atlasian's postings. on: April 23, 2014, 04:52:23 pm
Kucinich would beat Reagan had he run in 1984.

You do not know me very well.

*SKIP*
12  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: is the preceding atlasian more conservative or more liberal than your rep.? on: April 23, 2014, 04:51:14 pm
My Congressman is Jim McGovern. morgieb's probably slightly to the right of him, adjusting for different political cultures and such.
13  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Young Americans are dumbs on: April 23, 2014, 03:09:44 pm
With the astonishing amount of money squandered by the government education industry complex, such figures are truly amazing.

Even more amazing data is the massive amounts of windfall profits reaped by those teachers despite stagnant student enrollment. They are winning the treasury.

What is your solution krazen?

Win the treasury back.

How?
14  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Post a recent picture of your neighbourhood/city on: April 23, 2014, 02:39:25 pm
Here's the view from the top of a mountain near my house. Another winter shot.

15  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: parody the preceding atlasian's postings. on: April 23, 2014, 02:36:47 pm
Ugh, all these social liberals don't care about real leftist issues. I'm no radical, but we need to do more to advance economic leftists in this party, not just focus on liberal imaging.
16  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Uruguay: 1st country in the world to make it legal to grow, sell and consume MJ on: April 23, 2014, 02:33:08 pm
'Far-right' may not be the best way to characterize it but its rhetoric for domestic consumption is profoundly racist and part of its practical manifestation is the development of a system of absolute monarchy in all but name, arguably both more absolute and more monarchical than any of the actual formal sovereign monarchies still existing in the world.

And trying (in essentially deifying it's first head of state) trying to outdo theocracy as well.

Yes, don't let's forget that. Christopher Hitchens once called it the most fervently religious place he'd ever been and although Hitch and I part company on an awful lot, including what constitutes 'religion', I get what he meant and he certainly wasn't wrong.
17  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Indira Gandhi on: April 23, 2014, 12:52:38 pm
Kind of literally both. To such an extent that the question misses the point entirely.

See also: Dev, Ataturk, countless others.
18  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: India 2014 on: April 23, 2014, 12:50:54 pm
Karnataka and to a lesser extent Maharashtra outside Mumbai and Chhattisgarh stand out.
19  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Is "Hey Soul Sister" one of the worst songs ever? on: April 23, 2014, 12:40:53 pm
Yes, and I'm willing to stick out my neck and break out the '(normal)' on this one.
20  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Uruguay: 1st country in the world to make it legal to grow, sell and consume MJ on: April 23, 2014, 12:37:28 pm
'Far-right' may not be the best way to characterize it but its rhetoric for domestic consumption is profoundly racist and part of its practical manifestation is the development of a system of absolute monarchy in all but name, arguably both more absolute and more monarchical than any of the actual formal sovereign monarchies still existing in the world.
21  General Discussion / Constitution and Law / Re: SCOTUS upholds Michigan affirmative action ban on: April 23, 2014, 03:23:22 am
Also, given the number of cases Kagan has dissented on, she's starting to look like a bad pick.

Huh

I think he meant recused.

He knows why justices sometimes recuse themselves, right?
22  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Opinion of Lesbian Sex Scenes on TV! on: April 23, 2014, 12:33:08 am
Sex scenes are very rarely necessary or particularly helpful, and lesbian sex scenes are almost always made for the benefit of straight men in a way that is in the long run damaging to actual lesbians. Horrible Scenes.

You guys are terrible at being teenagers.

I, at least, am not a teenager.

afleitch as usual makes a good counterpoint and I thank him for making it. It's definitely possible for scenes of intimacy to advance understanding of the characters involved, and I wouldn't want to claim otherwise. I just don't think that's very often the case, and with this particular issue--my opinion might be different if we were discussing LGBTQ characters and narratives more generally--I'm not sure I agree that bad representation is really any better than no representation.
What do you mean by this? Why do you believe that portraying lesbian sex is a "bad representation" of lesbians?
I don't. I believe that portraying the kind of so-called 'lesbian sex' that typically appears on television is because the segment of the population that's expected to take interest in it is not lesbians and in many cases barely seems to see lesbians as fully human as it is.
What about televised lesbian sex to you consider non-genuine (I assume that's what the quotes are intended to indicate)?

I've never met a lesbian who considers the way it's usually portrayed anything other than sensationalized and, usually, played up for fetishes that lesbians aren't the people who most generally have.

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What's wrong with portraying lesbian sex for the enjoyment of non-lesbians? I don't see a problem with portraying something for the entertainment of people other than the subject matter of that thing.

If presenting sexuality solely involving women primarily or solely for the purpose of entertaining straight men doesn't already strike you as sketchy because of the way society as a whole is structured, I'm not sure I can explain it without giving some more thought as to how exactly I want to go about that. I'm also not sure I'm the best person to be explaining this, but I don't expect anybody else here to. Give me some time, okay?

Sex scenes are very rarely necessary or particularly helpful, and lesbian sex scenes are almost always made for the benefit of straight men in a way that is in the long run damaging to actual lesbians. Horrible Scenes.

You guys are terrible at being teenagers.

I, at least, am not a teenager.

afleitch as usual makes a good counterpoint and I thank him for making it. It's definitely possible for scenes of intimacy to advance understanding of the characters involved, and I wouldn't want to claim otherwise. I just don't think that's very often the case, and with this particular issue--my opinion might be different if we were discussing LGBTQ characters and narratives more generally--I'm not sure I agree that bad representation is really any better than no representation.
What do you mean by this? Why do you believe that portraying lesbian sex is a "bad representation" of lesbians?

I don't. I believe that portraying the kind of so-called 'lesbian sex' that typically appears on television is because the segment of the population that's expected to take interest in it is not lesbians and in many cases barely seems to see lesbians as fully human as it is.

Sex scenes are very rarely necessary or particularly helpful, and lesbian sex scenes are almost always made for the benefit of straight men in a way that is in the long run damaging to actual lesbians. Horrible Scenes.

You're no fun.

Says the guy who doesn't even think two consenting women should be able to get married.

Patriarchy is a funny thing.
Would this be the same "patriarchy" that causes feminists to say gems like this “And if the professional rapist is to be separated from the average dominant heterosexual (male), it may be mainly a quantitative difference.” -Susan Griffin?

That's called misandry.  Of course, I'm sure you already knew that.

Try "owning" me again, though.

It's also called not, in fact, as prima facie absurd as Devin seems to think it is.
Really it pretty much says there is minimal difference between a ordinary man and a rapist. How is that anything but absurd? Also what the hell is a professional rapist? Last time I checked you went to prison for rape, not get paid.

Quantitative differences can be more than large enough to be important. The quote also specifies 'dominant heterosexual', which I think one could be forgiven for thinking is a somewhat worrying combination of attributes in a man. The use of the word 'professional' is presumably non-standard and confusing as all get-out, I'll grant that.
I don't see any problem with one person being dominant, if the other is into that.

The 'dominant heterosexual male' as an entity is really not about individual desires at this point.
No offense, but keep your personal spin out of it. Some women actually like being dominated by men. That may be hard for you to accept,but its true. Isn't feminism supposed to be about giving women choices? So why is it bad if they choose to be dominated?

Because choices and preferences don't develop in a vacuum and because feminism is most salutary when it's about advancing the position of women as a class or set of classes, and also because thundering Jesus did you even read my last response to you? It's literally one damn sentence.
Yes I did, I told you to keep your spin out of it. Contrary to what you seem to believe sexually dominant males are not the stereotypical (inks) who runs their wife around like a whipped dog. A male can be dominant by refusing to not allow her on top during sex. I would even think letting women admit they are into BDSM could be good for them.

I'm familiar with how BDSM works and have formed my own opinions and conclusions about it. If telling me to 'keep [my] spin out of it' over and over again--without explaining what precisely about the ideas I'm expressing comes across as 'spin' rather than notions with which you happen to disagree--and talking down to me as if I'm a wide-eyed moron strikes you as the best way to disabuse me of those opinions and conclusions, then more power to you, but I'm afraid you're very much mistaken. Also, I really don't think that what is meant by 'average dominant heterosexual male' has much to do with BDSM anyway.

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People are always prattling on about sexual repression. 

Yes, well, I'm not one of them.

The fundamental notion that you appear not to be grasping here is that statements like the one you find so risible rest on the presupposition that looking at how and why people come to like what they like and desire what they desire is a relevant and worthwhile undertaking. And the fruits of that undertaking by and large do not reflect well upon heterosexual men as a group. At all.
23  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Indira Gandhi on: April 22, 2014, 09:11:28 pm
HP, but an HP who was good for it.

What do you mean by that?

I wanted to leave that ambiguous (call it a once-in-a-long-while indulgence in self-conscious sagery if you must) but since you asked I meant that it's possible to hold a sort of grudging respect for her and understand why she acted as she did, even though the way she acted was godawful.

Sorry for ruining your ambiguity. Sad

It's okay. It was sort of pretentious ambiguity anyway.
24  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Obama wants to privatize the Tennessee Valley Authority on: April 22, 2014, 09:09:44 pm
Staff: Mr. President, TVA needs funding to continue operations.

Obama: I'm not fighting with Republicans over a few billion dollars. Privatize TVA and we will pass legislation to tell them how to run their business. Best of both worlds for liberals. Private money pays for everything. Government runs everything.

I think you think 'liberals' think like you think, bro.
25  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Indira Gandhi on: April 22, 2014, 08:51:13 pm
HP, but an HP who was good for it.

What do you mean by that?

I wanted to leave that ambiguous (call it a once-in-a-long-while indulgence in self-conscious sagery if you must) but since you asked I meant that it's possible to hold a sort of grudging respect for her and understand why she acted as she did, even though the way she acted was godawful.
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