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1  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Treasury Sec. to announce Harriet Tubman will replace Jackson on the $20 bill on: May 04, 2016, 01:24:18 am
Harriet Tubman should be on a coin possibly,but not replace Andrew Jackson on the 20$.   maybe even run a "limited" time only bill or something.   Another example of the left doing everything to dismantle American traditions.  Heck give it 50 years and Obama will be replacing Washington on the one dollar bill.

Changing whose face is on a bill is not "dismantling American traditions". Pull your head out of your a**.

The real 'tradition' for American currency is of course allegorical and archetypal representations and ancient Roman gods. Using dead political figures at all is kind of crass if you really think about it.
2  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: The Delegate Fight: 2016 on: May 04, 2016, 01:19:48 am
Updated projections (which could be too favorable to Kasich, we'll see) have Trump coming in at 1416 pledged delegates by the end of the night on June 7.

I think now's a good time to discuss the future of this thread.  I'm planning to maintain the spreadsheet until July, but my motivation for updating the main page of this thread is rapidly diminishing.

What would be most useful for you folks going forward?  Continuing to track the delegate counts for a race that's all but over, or freezing it as a snapshot before Cruz's suspension?

I haven't been commenting on this thread but I have been reading it. Is there any way you could make a new thread to continue to track delegates and leave this one as a snapshot?
3  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Democratic Indiana Primary results thread (first polls close at 6pm ET) on: May 03, 2016, 11:59:05 pm
I'd like to semi-apologize for my rude comments about Indiana. Sanders is still a wonderful fit for this state and I expect him to narrowly win due to the angry male populist voters in this state who are tired of the Washington establishment (which is why Trump won on the Republican side).

Trump is the establishment. Please with all due respect, wake up

No, he really isn't.

Except he is. If you want my prof. Just look at his political views for the past 40 years. Cruz was the conservative outsider. Trump is establishment insider. He supported gang of 8 before he opposed it.

White nationalism is (fortunately) way more 'outsider' than the tiresome pieties of 'movement conservatism'.
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who hates Donald Trump more? on: May 03, 2016, 11:24:09 pm
Jeb! has more cause to, but

I don't think Jeb! is capable of hating as much as Cruz can.
5  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Republican Indiana Primary results thread (first polls close at 6pm ET) on: May 03, 2016, 09:33:58 pm
Well, let me say this to our friends here on this forum. I am Trump supporter now sadly. But shut the  up, do you have any human decency at all. I would've said this for Trump, but the guy put his family on the front line. People said he had multiple affairs, his wife was ugly and his dad killed JFK. But congrats to Trump and his supporters and God Bless Ted Cruz. God Bless America too we really need your help.

This is about more than conservative ideology.  It's about tyranny.  I've been a Cruz supporter from the beginning.  I will be voting for Clinton in this election because the Trump movement is evil.  

Please reconsider.

I'm not voting for either one. It's Democrat vs Democrat. The GOP has died and it not coming back.

If the Republican Party could survive 1964 then it can survive this.
6  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Democratic Indiana Primary results thread (first polls close at 6pm ET) on: May 03, 2016, 09:32:19 pm
Shouldn't Sanders have, or feel, some responsibility to the party, considering he's running for its nomination for the presidency?
7  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Final GOP Primary Map on: May 03, 2016, 08:03:22 pm
If only Cruz could still pull off Nebraska and South Dakota, and hadn't won Maine, it would look so much neater.
8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Republican Indiana Primary results thread (first polls close at 6pm ET) on: May 03, 2016, 06:44:27 pm
The establishment wing of the GOP wins again and cheats me of voting for an actual Reagan conservative  (sorry kids Trump v Clinton is Democrat vs Democrat).

Maybe because the voters of the GOP are moving more and more away from Reaganite Conservatism, to a different mix of conservativism. For a long time the right in the GOP, was protectionist and isolationist. They supported Taft against the Eastern Internationalist Establishment, helped to propel Goldwater largely because he was the enemy of their enemy, the Eastern Establishment. Later generations of Conservatives embraced the Goldwater-Reagan approact to foreign policy, trade and immigration. Why is so unthinkable that Conservatism might morph somewhat as the decades go by, or possibly even revert to the way it was with Taft?

If they wanted a return to Taft, Cruz was that guy too.

He really wasn't.
9  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Republican Indiana Primary results thread (first polls close at 6pm ET) on: May 03, 2016, 06:08:55 pm
Trump winning in Indianapolis.
10  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Republican Indiana Primary results thread (first polls close at 6pm ET) on: May 03, 2016, 05:52:28 pm
Trump ahead in all but one county.
11  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Republican Indiana Primary results thread (first polls close at 6pm ET) on: May 03, 2016, 05:46:27 pm
lol why don't they just call this already

Some of the state is in the Central Time Zone and won't come in for another fifteen minutes.
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Republican Indiana Primary results thread (first polls close at 6pm ET) on: May 03, 2016, 05:42:07 pm
Milwaukee swayed wisconsin, will Indianapolis make up ground for Cruz?

Not nearly enough of it.
13  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Republican Indiana Primary results thread (first polls close at 6pm ET) on: May 03, 2016, 05:40:24 pm
Trump almost doubling up Cruz in Delaware, my girlfriend's county.
14  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump's Nomination Would be a Catastrophe for the GOP on: May 03, 2016, 03:58:06 pm

But, it does not have to be this way.  The GOP can still come to their senses, get rid of Trump, and elect a nominee who can win, in what was originally a very winnable election, for the Republicans.  Whether it is Kasich, Ryan or someone else, while important, is not as crucial as preventing the impending possibility of Trump single-handedly destroying the current two party system.  Any threat of a Trump third party candidacy, or an unhappy fringe electorate, pales in comparison to what is in store here.

The choice could not be clearer!

Fairly on the mark.  I also will be disappointed in not seeing Ted Cruz get the nomination and go down in flames, because we're going to get four more years of the AFA, Focus on the Family, Moody Radio, Glenn Beck, etc. bellyaching about how "we're never going to win until we run a TRUE conservative!!"

They'll nominate Sasse at some point in the 2020s, he'll get crushed, they'll have egg on their face, and we won't even have to watch a nominee Ted Cruz or Mike Lee for six months to have it happen.
15  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Would you be completely shocked if Cruz won tonight? on: May 03, 2016, 03:56:26 pm
Cruz will win

JCL, do you ever actually expect your favored candidate not to win? Just curious.
16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Primary Election Polls / Re: WV-PPP: D: Sanders 45% Clinton 37%, R: Trump 61%, Cruz 22% Kasich 14% on: May 03, 2016, 03:54:55 pm
Appalachian coal country's problems are so severe, so acute, and so different from those of most of the rest of the country that a Democratic campaign that was really interested in competing for its vote qua its vote would have to devote a great deal of time, attention, and energy specifically to crafting policies to help ameliorate those problems, and even more time, attention, and energy to selling those policies. Personally I think there should be somebody doing this (and would have hoped, in the past, that Sanders might), but that isn't how things are going this cycle.

I know it's not the focus of this topic, but what are those acute issues? I definitely know that West Virginia is different, but why? My jump to, coal, doesn't look like it can be the main drive. From what I can glean on the topic it only employs around 30,000 people in a state where the total labor force is 785,500, and the unemployment rate is just slightly above the national average. Is that enough to drive the entire focus of the state to the point at which a third candidate stands a chance of getting such a large number of votes? What part am I missing here?

The problem is that:

1. Non-coal parts of the state's labor force function (or functioned) in a manner ancillary to the coal industry and supporting it.
2. West Virginia's culture is hugely tied up in the values and mythology of the coal industry.
17  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Which Trump nickname is more obnoxious? on: May 03, 2016, 03:51:04 pm
Something grosses me out about the whole Drumpf thing.
18  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Captain America: Civil War on: May 03, 2016, 03:06:51 pm
Iron Man in the comics rounded up people who disagreed with his position and threw them into an extradimensional prison. Team Cap, even if I didn't already love Steve and hate Tony.
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: College Students Are Ridiculously Infuriating Safe-Space/Mega-thread on: May 03, 2016, 03:03:22 pm
Radical feminism isn't really the variety of feminism I think of when I think of current campus activism.
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Primary Election Polls / Re: WV-PPP: D: Sanders 45% Clinton 37%, R: Trump 61%, Cruz 22% Kasich 14% on: May 03, 2016, 03:01:51 pm
What is wrong with this state?

Well, what do Clinton and Sanders have to offer it, really?

Appalachian coal country's problems are so severe, so acute, and so different from those of most of the rest of the country that a Democratic campaign that was really interested in competing for its vote qua its vote would have to devote a great deal of time, attention, and energy specifically to crafting policies to help ameliorate those problems, and even more time, attention, and energy to selling those policies. Personally I think there should be somebody doing this (and would have hoped, in the past, that Sanders might), but that isn't how things are going this cycle.
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Atlas Predicts - Indiana on: May 02, 2016, 05:09:57 pm
Grand Old Party

Cruz 45%
Trump 44%
Kasich 10%
Other 1%

Party of Slavery

Clinton 54%
Sanders 45%
Other 1%

ayyy lmao
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Atlas Predicts - Indiana on: May 02, 2016, 04:52:44 pm
Democrats: Clinton 51; Sanders 48
Republicans: Trump 48; Cruz 40; Kasich 11
23  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Drinking habits by party affiliation on: May 02, 2016, 03:34:11 pm
I couldn't figure out why the hell else anybody would deny that substance abstinence, sexual selectivity, et cetera are (relatively speaking) 'conservative' behaviors, so yes.

I'll admit that I shouldn't have said that thing about politics in that thread. However, I still don't think there's anything inherently "conservative" in a political or non-political sense about refraining from those behaviors. "Conservative" generally implies that there's some sort of return to the past or to the status quo, which I'm not really seeing here.

I think when it's used in contexts like this it's meant in the sense of 'risk-averse' or 'cautious' (the latter being the first definition Wiktionary gives for 'conservative' as an adjective).
24  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What is your favorite band from Indiana? on: May 02, 2016, 03:03:14 pm
Cole Porter is my favorite Hoosier musician. There aren't any bands that I know to be from Indiana that I'm really into.
25  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Drinking habits by party affiliation on: May 02, 2016, 02:43:49 pm
The only reason this is even a question is because of posters in the other thread's absurd belief that the word 'conservative' always and only has a political meaning.

That's seriously what you took away from that "argument"?  LOL.

I couldn't figure out why the hell else anybody would deny that substance abstinence, sexual selectivity, et cetera are (relatively speaking) 'conservative' behaviors, so yes.

Here, take a look at this picture of Veronica Lake:



Miss Lake is dressed 'conservatively' here. Although, honestly, it's Veronica Lake, who in her heyday could make any outfit look indecent, so Audrey Hepburn might be a better example:



This is from Roman Holiday, certainly far from a politically conservative work of art.

Here's another Veronica Lake picture. In this one she is not dressed conservatively. How did all that cleavage get past the Hays Code?



In this one (sorry for the bad colorization) she looks almost like she's going for a proto-goth-lingerie look:

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