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1  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton picks Kaine for veep on: Today at 12:48:01 am

Oh for...none of these people 'reflect the way Francis looks at the world'. I thought that was an open secret among Americans who care about Catholicism.

I could see Kaine maybe shoring up certain Hispanic constituencies, and definitely Audrey Assad Catholic Millennials (I know he's shored up at least one such person, my ex-girlfriend who I still talk to almost daily). That's about it.
2  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton picks Kaine for veep on: Today at 12:36:55 am
(some news articles are pushing the "Kaine is a Pope Francis Catholic" line hard)

'A Pope Francis Catholic'? Yeesh.
3  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton picks Kaine for veep on: Today at 12:31:36 am
I think it's more worthwhile focusing our energies on people like [Inks]ing Cuomo, who takes the opposite of the Catholic Church's position on almost literally every issue of substance. IIRC he gave up entirely on a ten-point women's rights program after a point expanding late-term abortion was rejected, even though the legislature was perfectly happy to pass the other nine points. This was after he cut funding for poor and teenage mothers.
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton picks Kaine for veep on: July 22, 2016, 11:58:45 pm
So, with a Catholic VP candidate on the Dem ticket and the Pope not being very enthusiastic about Trump, it would be interesting to see how excited conservative Catholics will be about the Republican nominee Smiley

Conservative Catholics aren't going to vote for Hillary, period.

Trump and Hillary are both abominations to them, I would imagine.  But if they were to weigh between whether Mike Pence or Tim Kaine is a better representative for them, whom do you think they would pick?  

Kaine and Pence are both heretics but only one supports genocide.

They both oppose abortion.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Social/Tim_Kaine_Abortion.htm

Supporting Roe v. Wade is not opposing abortion. Being "personally opposed" means jacksh**t if you support it remaining legal. No Catholic politician in good standing with the Church can take such a position.

I mean, it means he's uncomfortable with the creepy 'abortion a positive good'-type rhetoric that's suddenly started replacing 'safe, legal, and rare' among American liberals, which is more than one probably could have expected from anyone else Clinton could have chosen.
5  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton picks Kaine for veep on: July 22, 2016, 08:39:45 pm
That reads like Clinton is actually taking the idea of Kaine's religiosity as a selling point seriously, which has interesting implications for the sort of coalition she's trying to attract.
6  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton picks Kaine for veep on: July 22, 2016, 08:33:46 pm
Free trade being, in general, a good thing does not mean that every given free trade agreement is automatically good or that all people of good will are somehow morally bound to support all of them, and the fact that not every free trade agreement is automatically good and all people of good will are not somehow morally bound to support all of them does not mean that free trade is not, in general, a good thing. I'm amazed that this is apparently such an unpopular position here.
7  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton VP news LATEST: NYT: Kaine's the frontrunner; announcement Fri afternoon on: July 22, 2016, 05:15:44 pm
Crist, I'd much rather have Kaine.
8  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Is this morally justified in your opinion? on: July 22, 2016, 04:58:53 pm
You're going to potentially ruin your marriage to keep a promise to a vegetable?

Go to hell.
9  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Cenk Uygur vs. Alex Jones & Roger Stone on: July 22, 2016, 04:50:14 pm
Two genocide-denying hacks. I'm rooting for the referee in this bout.
10  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Julian Assange on: July 22, 2016, 04:43:39 pm
11  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton VP news LATEST: NYT: Kaine's the frontrunner; announcement Fri afternoon on: July 22, 2016, 03:57:48 am
I'm really praying that all of these "VP leaks" end up being a head-fake for a surprise pick like Warren.

If it does end up being Kaine, do you think Hillary would want to appoint Warren to a position in her cabinet?

You would still temporarily give up the Senate seat unless Reid found a loophole in Massachusetts state law

Or you know they pass new law that requires the governor to pick a member of the same party. A few other states have this.

Needs to be same party from a list provided by that party's committee.  Otherwise, Baker could just appoint Stephen Lynch to mess with the Dems as much as possible.

Lynch is hardly Conservadem Classic, though. He's an old-school union hack (which I mean in the best way) who seems more conservative than he actually is because he is or was pro-life. He voted against Obamacare from the left. He's the exact opposite of the type of Democrat Baker would ever consider appointing if left to his own devices.
12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Why are "small government" conservatives so obsessed with the gays? on: July 22, 2016, 12:06:30 am
The idea that legislating against corporal punishment is 'small-government' strikes me as an odd one.
13  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Potential UK General Election Late 2016 / Early 2017 on: July 22, 2016, 12:03:34 am
I understand some of the hate for blair but labor should keep in mind he is the only labor leader to have won since the 1970s so his modernist platform has proven to be more of a vote getter than the quasi communist stance of Cornyn and Miliband

Miliband was hardly 'quasi-communist'.
It's hyperbole but he was towards the left of the party to say the least

Oh please. He was a center-to-center-left technocrat who appealed to the soft Left to shore him up against his awful Third Way brother.
14  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Potential UK General Election Late 2016 / Early 2017 on: July 21, 2016, 10:42:28 pm
I understand some of the hate for blair but labor should keep in mind he is the only labor leader to have won since the 1970s so his modernist platform has proven to be more of a vote getter than the quasi communist stance of Cornyn and Miliband

Miliband was hardly 'quasi-communist'.
15  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Republican National Convention **live commentary thread** on: July 21, 2016, 10:39:16 pm
AMERICA! DURO! AMERICA! ORGULLOSO! AMERICA! SEGURO! AMERICA! GRANDE!

Is that a Mussolini reference?

Close.
16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Republican National Convention **live commentary thread** on: July 21, 2016, 10:35:45 pm
AMERICA! DURO! AMERICA! ORGULLOSO! AMERICA! SEGURO! AMERICA! GRANDE!
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Republican National Convention **live commentary thread** on: July 21, 2016, 09:58:29 pm
What's the Q mean??

Queer, which to a lot of people isn't a slur any more (although to a lot of people it still is, and those people tend to hate its addition to The Acronym).
18  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Republican National Convention **live commentary thread** on: July 21, 2016, 09:51:47 pm
Why make the speech about crime? How is going hard on crime going to win over swing voters when it's at a historic low??

BECAUSE BLACK LIVES MATTER IS REVERSE RACISM AT WORK
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Republican National Convention **live commentary thread** on: July 21, 2016, 09:41:36 pm
OH FUCK YOU YOU DO NOT GET TO USE FDR'S RHETORIC AND TALKING POINTS
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Republican National Convention **live commentary thread** on: July 21, 2016, 09:35:20 pm
'The West'
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Republican National Convention **live commentary thread** on: July 21, 2016, 09:31:39 pm
'international yumiliation'
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Republican National Convention **live commentary thread** on: July 21, 2016, 09:23:24 pm
Going full Duterte, I see.
23  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Republican National Convention **live commentary thread** on: July 21, 2016, 09:21:56 pm
He's manipulating numbers worse than Ben Kenobi in the voter ID thread.
24  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Republican National Convention **live commentary thread** on: July 21, 2016, 09:20:52 pm
That boy ain't right.
25  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Republican National Convention **live commentary thread** on: July 21, 2016, 09:19:47 pm
What the [Inks] is with Trump's posture? It's, like, the opposite of Kasich's slouching.
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