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1  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Longest serving senators of all time: Your favorite? on: Today at 12:28:25 am
All HPs, Hayden least bad. Inouye lived long enough to see himself become an HP.

Curious as to what you mean by this -- I don't really understand how Inouye changed ideologically much at all during his time in Congress, especially if you compare him to some of the people on this very list (Byrd or Thurmond) who changed almost beyond recognition.

He very probably raped someone in the seventies.
2  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Hey, Santander: come and play! on: Today at 12:14:47 am
this is pretty obviously a SvenssonRS sockpuppet, right

WHAT A TWIST

Atlas Forum. I live for this.
3  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: NDP Leadership Convention 2017 (2018) on: Today at 12:12:33 am
The Labour movement in Quebec had a big "Catholic worker" movement within it...the CNTU OR CSN used to be explicitly a catholic union...and yet you never hear of any "pro-life" movement within the left in Quebec either

Would that be partially because Duplessis set up Catholicism in Quebec for an insta-kill the moment he kicked the bucket?
4  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Longest serving senators of all time: Your favorite? on: Today at 12:04:59 am
All HPs, Hayden least bad. Inouye lived long enough to see himself become an HP.
5  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Hey, Santander: come and play! on: September 25, 2016, 11:37:03 pm
Sir Santander's Campaign

Santander got him a blue avatar
Trump's campaign for to support-a
To defeat Crooked Hillary (amirite? moar liek Killery),
Who, re: brown people, would not deport-a.

No errant poster ever came closer
Save perhaps Pingvin alone-o
To being a fascist (or even a Hashist
Though jaichind waxed near to that zone-o).

(Little did he know, Santander--oh!--no!
--That Trump was a media creation,
That, though he be high-energy, it was really just 'synergy'
To put over a scam on the nation.)

He believed in the Occident, surely no accident
(Though white girls' hands be streaked with henna),
And since he could rhyme, but not go back in time
To relieve the leaguer of Vienna,

He decided to make a persona so fake
To shock and awe old Atlas Forum,
And though we call for his head, let it never be said
That the issue with him involved boredom!

(I might write an alternative last verse if it turns out that Santander is not, in fact, a Walter Mitty.)
6  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Has any Atlas users held public office? on: September 25, 2016, 10:34:20 pm
Yeah, Hillary and the DNC rigged the Libertarian primary for Johnson.  But we all know who the real winner is.

You misspelled $hitlery.
7  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Israel and Palestine on: September 25, 2016, 10:13:12 pm
Ideally, we'd get to the point where negotiations could be conducted again and a solution would be hashed out.

However, that time isn't now. And the idea of the US imposing a solution via the UN is probably the clearest way to turn a low boil conflict very, very hot in a hurry.


8  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Hey, Santander: come and play! on: September 25, 2016, 09:42:30 pm
Perhaps if I'd known him for longer I would have less respect for him,

You would.
9  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: ME-UNH/Portland Press Herald: Clinton+4, but Trump wins CD2 by 14% on: September 25, 2016, 07:25:46 pm
It's hard to see Trump winning ME-2 when normal Republican candidates have failed to carry it.

No it's not.

Also, [Inks] you, Ebowed.

Brilliant argument. You sure told me, didn't you?!



Are you somehow still unaware that there are parts of the country in which Trump overperforms generic R, or are you just ignorant enough about the rural Northeast to not realize that northern Maine is one of them? If it's the latter, why would you comment on this?

Watch the name calling, because I'm not afraid to use the report button. With that said, the election has not occurred yet, so Trump has not over performed generic R anywhere. It's ignorant to create data based on an election that is never happened. But, I won't argue with you. On election day, I will praise Jesus when my predictions are correct. Let's revisit this post on November 9th.

That's...an odd argument/counterargument/defense/whatever, to say the least.

We have opinion polls of geographic areas such as this one. We also have crosstabs by demographics indicating that Trump polls very well among demographics like those that make up the population of said areas.

Data based on election results>data based on opinion polls>data based on assuming past trends will continue regardless of what opinion polls say.
Again, I don't see Trump winning ME-2 based on NORMAL REPUBLICANS losing it and I think a lot of people are way overestimating Trump like they did Todd Akin in the Missouri Senate race. It's called a difference of opinion. You think he'll win ME-2 big, I don't. Let's leave it at that.

I didn't say I thought he'd 'win it big'--I think he'll win it narrowly. All I said was that it's not 'hard to see' how he might win an area in which demographics would lead one to suspect he might do unusually well. If your issue is that polls showing him overperforming Generic R in areas like this might be overestimating him--which is reasonable enough, and which I'd love to agree with although I don't think I actually do--then you should have added that bit of information in the first place.
10  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: ME-UNH/Portland Press Herald: Clinton+4, but Trump wins CD2 by 14% on: September 25, 2016, 06:42:21 pm
It's hard to see Trump winning ME-2 when normal Republican candidates have failed to carry it.

No it's not.

Also, [Inks] you, Ebowed.

Brilliant argument. You sure told me, didn't you?!



Are you somehow still unaware that there are parts of the country in which Trump overperforms generic R, or are you just ignorant enough about the rural Northeast to not realize that northern Maine is one of them? If it's the latter, why would you comment on this?

Watch the name calling, because I'm not afraid to use the report button. With that said, the election has not occurred yet, so Trump has not over performed generic R anywhere. It's ignorant to create data based on an election that is never happened. But, I won't argue with you. On election day, I will praise Jesus when my predictions are correct. Let's revisit this post on November 9th.

That's...an odd argument/counterargument/defense/whatever, to say the least.

We have opinion polls of geographic areas such as this one. We also have crosstabs by demographics indicating that Trump polls very well among demographics like those that make up the population of said areas. We also have reams of breathless and to some extent self-fulfilling media prophecies about Trump's appeal to and 'common touch' with poor rural whites. All of which is more than enough to conclude that Trump is probably going to overperform generic R in certain areas until proven otherwise. I'm surprised that I have to point this out to somebody who's been on this forum for six years.

Data based on election results>data based on opinion polls>data based on assuming past trends will continue regardless of what opinion polls say.
11  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Celebrity President: 2020 (Primaries) on: September 25, 2016, 06:30:53 pm
For the record: #NeverTrump #NeverNugent #NeverDunham #NeverMaher
12  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Has any Atlas users held public office? on: September 25, 2016, 06:29:43 pm
I think Inks ran for State Senate or something...

Yeah, iirc he was a sacrificial lamb in a safe Democratic district.
13  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Sam Spade Memorial Good Post Gallery on: September 25, 2016, 06:28:25 pm
If you're a Fortune 100 CEO, you're a very smart, hard-working, highly successful person. That, of course, doesn't mean that millions of other people aren't also all of those qualities, but if I were running for president, I would want the support of all 100 of them. You (should) always want the smart, successful people on your side.

Well, you would put that turkey in this thread, wouldn't you?
14  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: ME-UNH/Portland Press Herald: Clinton+4, but Trump wins CD2 by 14% on: September 25, 2016, 06:27:28 pm
It's hard to see Trump winning ME-2 when normal Republican candidates have failed to carry it.

No it's not.

Also, [Inks] you, Ebowed.

Brilliant argument. You sure told me, didn't you?!



Are you somehow still unaware that there are parts of the country in which Trump overperforms generic R, or are you just ignorant enough about the rural Northeast to not realize that northern Maine is one of them? If it's the latter, why would you comment on this?
15  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: ME-UNH/Portland Press Herald: Clinton+4, but Trump wins CD2 by 14% on: September 25, 2016, 06:14:23 pm
I dislike your implication that I dislike these people or that I think they don't have valid interests.

You certainly gave the impression that you did.

I think the idea that the content of what Trump is saying is connecting on an intellectual or ethical level is a misinterpretation of his appeal in areas like northern Maine. That's not to say that people who are voting for him aren't morally culpable for their emotional, instinctual, and tribal reasons for doing so, because those are definitely emotions that one shouldn't give in to and instincts and tribalisms that indicate ugly things, but to imply that there's some malign metacognition going into this is wrong-headed. It seemed like that was what you were doing, mainly because you were deploying a lot of the same tropes as IceSpear, who absolutely is doing that.
16  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Seriously? Theatre of Absurdity, Ignorance, and Bad Posts V on: September 25, 2016, 06:09:06 pm
Nothing about this is incorrect, it's just ludicrously snobbish, supercilious, and hateful:

Populations that are insular and homogeneous tend to be easily coerced into buying populist and bigoted campaigns.  People in ME-02 are probably concerned that their jobs will be stolen by refugees, which is charming, because it assumes that anybody would want to live there if they weren't already born there.

These people had their chance to prove that they knew better.  Instead, they re-elected Paul LePage.  The invisible hand of the free market will be guiding ME-02 with its entrepreneurial heroin dealers and blue collar job losses for years to come.

Wrong basket. This was the one that Hillary was saying we should sympathize with, not think to ourselves, "Well, f 'em, they're voting for Trump." This kind of elitism in the Democratic Party is why Republicans are gaining in new voter registration now. The Obama-Obama-Trump voters do exist and we can't just label them as racist idiots. We need to be at least as accepting of them as we are of McCain-Romney-Clinton voters or the rapists and criminals Mexican immigrants. If Clinton's "deplorables" gaffe had sounded like this instead of what it actually was, then I would have reconsidered my support. This and the one above it are bad signs for the Democratic Party in the future. They need to re-become what are supposed to be: a party of the people, not the party of whoever is supporting them. But they do have a G-WA avatar so that explains some of it.

This right here, very interesting. The party of the people, you say? I'm trying to provide the perspective of a type of person who is politically ignored. Until the Fight for $15, fast food workers had no representation, no champion, no nothing. It sure as hell wasn't Donald Trump who got behind it and fought for better working conditions.

Ignore me at your own peril, and continue to try to win the votes of the "disappearing white middle class." Or, you know, start taking poverty seriously.

Nice conversational judo there. Very well-executed. I'm not even mad; that was extremely well-done.

I like when well-off internet liberals who know literally nothing about living in any sort of life of struggle make the assumption that people in rural areas aren't voting Democrat because some other people on the internet said something mean about them.

Newsflash: They know exactly who they're voting for and why they're doing it - and people saying mean stuff about them on the internet is not why.

Of course, I expect them to continue ignoring people who actually associate and interact with them simply because "i read a book about them lol Smiley"

1. You know nothing about my life or about my background.
2. Don't you live in the biggest city in the country?
17  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Has any Atlas users held public office? on: September 25, 2016, 06:07:31 pm
muon2 is a state representative and former mayor
I was a member of a New England representative town meeting for a couple of years
I think there are a couple of others too.
18  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Which map is more realistic? on: September 25, 2016, 05:15:48 pm
I'm saying Map A mostly because I think Michigan is way more elastic for a candidate like Trump than Minnesota and Wisconsin.
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: ME-UNH/Portland Press Herald: Clinton+4, but Trump wins CD2 by 14% on: September 25, 2016, 04:45:51 pm
Also, [Inks] you, Ebowed.

Pretty simple, no?  Why would you vote for someone who repeatedly makes racist statements unless you lack exposure to people harmed by these comments?

Well, for one thing, areas, especially spooky scary non-urban areas, with higher minority populations statistically tend (to a certain point) to have more conservative whites...

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As for elections having consequences, I should think that is a fairly uncontroversial sentiment.  Nobody is happy that rural Maine is suffering through difficult economic circumstances, and I would certainly propose they adopt an entirely different agenda to the one being enacted by their current government.  I'm not going to coddle a bunch of racists on a political forum because a few words are open to misinterpretation, or whatever is going on here.

Nobody is asking you to 'coddle' anybody.
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Which map is more realistic? on: September 25, 2016, 04:35:56 pm
Map A.
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: ME-UNH/Portland Press Herald: Clinton+4, but Trump wins CD2 by 14% on: September 25, 2016, 04:32:11 pm
It's hard to see Trump winning ME-2 when normal Republican candidates have failed to carry it.

No it's not.

Also, [Inks] you, Ebowed.
22  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Seriously? Theatre of Absurdity, Ignorance, and Bad Posts V on: September 25, 2016, 04:28:13 pm
Nothing about this is incorrect, it's just ludicrously snobbish, supercilious, and hateful:

Populations that are insular and homogeneous tend to be easily coerced into buying populist and bigoted campaigns.  People in ME-02 are probably concerned that their jobs will be stolen by refugees, which is charming, because it assumes that anybody would want to live there if they weren't already born there.

These people had their chance to prove that they knew better.  Instead, they re-elected Paul LePage.  The invisible hand of the free market will be guiding ME-02 with its entrepreneurial heroin dealers and blue collar job losses for years to come.
23  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Labour Party (UK) Leadership Election, 2016 on: September 25, 2016, 01:45:16 pm
Yeah, the Tories could very well be in power for a generation. Ugh.
24  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone IV - Hungover on: September 25, 2016, 01:36:01 pm
Also: taking notes on "Central Asia: 130 Years of Russian Domination, a Historical Overview" while drinking a six pack of Blue Moon because life is a meaningless vacuum punctuated by base pleasures. As classic, waiting on that text-back, yo. Tobacco? Sadly, no.

That's me with Religious Studies: The Making of a Discipline and almost-flat gin and tonics.
25  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Are you afraid of death? on: September 25, 2016, 01:17:33 pm
No, and honestly, I don't get the obsession people have with living as long as possible.  Why would I want to spend 100 years in a world filled with pain and suffering when I can spend an eternity in a perfect world with my God?

What makes you think there is more pain and suffering than good in the world?

I track the stats for evil. Murder and death by violence and war, poverty, longevity, crime and slavery.

All those are at the best levels that mankind has ever seen.

So why do you see more evil than good?

Could it be the way you are looking and not reality?

Regards
DL
I don't necessarily think that there's more bad than good in the world; I simply don't see why I would want to spend 100 or more years in a world where evil exists when I can spend eternity in a world where it doesn't.

What makes you think that heaven has no evil?
Have you forgotten that that heaven is where Satan is said to have come from?

Regards
DL

maek u think
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