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1  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Summarize Previous Poster's Political Beliefs on: Today at 04:09:43 pm
A young, naive left-liberal who supports murderous reactionaries as long as they line with American "progressive" interests.
2  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Present Israel-Palestine Conflict Thread on: Today at 01:09:51 pm
This would be a fine time for a "whiff of grapeshot".

3  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Ukraine Crisis on: Today at 01:08:47 pm
Enlightened western-style democracy!
4  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Long time, no see. on: Today at 12:27:46 pm
Remember when Snowstalker promised to change?

My big thing is his version of Update was the single worst thread in Atlas history. In fact Mikado locked primarily because he knew how embarassing it was going to be.

Says the person who made a thread about breaking into a funeral to play Ingress?
5  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Present Israel-Palestine Conflict Thread on: Today at 11:45:49 am
"Good guys" and "bad guys"? What are you, eight?
6  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Opinion of these websites on: Today at 09:13:20 am
Positive: Reddit, IMDB, Clickhole
Don't Know/Mixed: Grantland, ProFootballTalk, Deadspin, TV Tropes, Tumblr, 4chan
Negative:  Gawker, Politico, Buzzfeed, TMZ, Upworthy, Huffington Post, Mother Jones (an insult to the real Mother Jones)
7  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Present Israel-Palestine Conflict Thread on: Today at 08:22:05 am
You can do better than literally parroting IDF propaganda.
8  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Opinion of these websites on: Today at 08:09:15 am
People are voting FF on Buzzfeed? Christ.
9  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Political Quiz List. Are you a Quiz Whiz? on: July 22, 2014, 06:59:45 pm
Hadash (100%)         
Meretz-Yachad (93%)         
Labour (85%)         
Balad (Arab) (54%)         
Kadima (54%)         
Shinui (54%)         
United Arab List (54%)         
Yisrael Beiteinu (39%)         
Gil (31%)         
National Union (24%)         
Shas (24%)         
United Torah Judaism (24%)         
Likud (0%)
10  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Ukraine Crisis on: July 22, 2014, 05:26:43 pm
It also shows what a pointless joke the UN has become.

Please stop talking and come back when you figure out what the United Nations actually does.
In my lifetime, the only thing I have seen the UN "do" is make itself a forum for third world crackpots and tyrants to blame the west for their problems.

Here, I'll help you out. Have you noticed that smallpox isn't a thing anymore? Who do you think is responsible for that?

teh free market
11  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Petition to ban Snowstalker from posting in International General Discussion on: July 22, 2014, 05:01:14 pm
topkek
12  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Ask TNF on: July 22, 2014, 04:44:16 pm
In the context of a nation-state being inherently an organization constituted on an exclusionary basis, sure. Tongue

Jumping off this, I assume your ideal would be for a Polish nation (basically encompassing Poland's borders now) to be a member state of a greater socialist union? Assuming this (I think I can), would the Polish language and culture remain (while of course accepting outside diversity) or would you want all differing cultures to be more or less assimilated into a single global culture?

(this question applies to all existing nation-states obviously)
13  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of this quote on: July 22, 2014, 01:31:39 pm
Snowstalker is actually completely correct in this thread, although that doesn't the change the fact that he's being an irritating troll in expressing those (correct) opinions.

The rewriting of history by the anti-Israel crowd is just shameless. 

[insane diatribe about THE JEWISH HOMELAND]

Okay, I'm convinced, obviously the foundation of Israel and its continuing slide into deranged genocidal expansionism is completely justified because the Assyrians kicked the Jews out of Israel a couple of millenia back.

By Bedstuy's logic, Israel would probably be jousting for control of Mesopotamia with the neo-Mongols and the neo-Ottomans.
14  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Favourite latest post by previous poster on: July 22, 2014, 10:34:48 am
So the US tried to turn Ukraine into its satellite? That's news to me.

Naturally, TNF isn't going to elaborate... Roll Eyes

Some of us actually do things besides post on this forum, you know? You should try it some time. Might help with your high blood pressure.

But to that point, Ukraine is clearly in the process of being transformed into a U.S. satellite, much like many of the former Warsaw Pact or Soviet states in the area. First comes a "color revolution" (which more often than not is an actual revolution against corruption and misrule by the hangers-on of the old bureaucratic despotisms) which then quickly degenerates into exchanging one set of corrupt elites (the pro-Russian ones) for another (the pro-American ones). NATO expansion brings these under the protective umbrella of American firepower, and there you have it: new frontiers for American capital to expand and exploit the people of the former Soviet bloc.

Of course, this isn't to say that becoming a Russian satellite would be preferable for these states, either. That imposes the same kind of rule from abroad that weakens their internal economies and corrupts their politics. The only way these countries are going to be able to have any sort of independence is to develop on their own and give both Russia and the U.S. the bird.
15  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Ask TNF on: July 22, 2014, 10:32:59 am
What is your favorite Turkish snack cake (or "kek")?
16  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: MW: July 2014 Elections on: July 22, 2014, 10:30:18 am
Ballot for For Most Serene Representatives:
[ ] Cris (Fed-CO)
[2] Gass3268 (Lab-MB)
[1] Hashemite (VF-OK)
[3] Write-In: Snowstalker (Lab)

Special Ballot for For Archduke:
[1] LeBron FitzGerald (Lab-MN)
[ ] Write-in: ______________
17  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of this quote on: July 22, 2014, 10:20:47 am
The rewriting of history by the anti-Israel crowd is just shameless. 

The land Israel sits on is the Jewish homeland.  That area was conquered by Assyrians, Seleucid Greeks, Romans, Arabs and Mamluk Turks.  Jews didn't leave Israel by choice for the most part.  They were mostly sold in slavery in the Roman Empire and forced to flee at various points.  That's not to say that Israel belongs to Jews.  I don't think any land belongs to any one national group per se.  But, the land of Israel is not an ancestral Arab territory.  So, there's that.

Why was Israel created?  The places where Jewish people did live between the 1880s and 1940s were none to hospitable.  What instigated the two great migrations to Israel?  You have the horrible persecution in the Russian Empire by Alexander III and the holocaust. (Do the Israel haters have a problem with Jews escaping to Argentina or the United States?  Isn't that colonizing in your book?) Well, all that came to a head in the holocaust and you had a horrible refugee problem.  What were Jews supposed to do post-holocaust?  Stay in Poland?  Jews had been prevented from moving anywhere and when they stayed put, people killed millions of them and oppressed them.  So, if you give Jews an opportunity to have their own state, they're going to see it as a singular chance to find a place to live in peace and security.  Whose fault is that?  Not the Jews clearly, that's the fault of Russia and Germany.

Would it have been better if Jews were all allowed to immigrate to the US?  I think so.  But, that didn't happen.  What happened was that Jews took that singular chance and founded their own state.  Was that a majority Arab state?  No.  Israel in 1948 was majority Jewish in population.  Did Jewish people steal land?  Maybe some did, but most bought land from Arabs.  So, before Israel was invaded by the entire Middle East, Israel was being as fair as possible and not creating their state using mass violence.  Once Israel was invaded, Israel needed defensible borders and you had the logical insanity of war.  One side does something bad, the other retaliates and so on.  That's what wars are like, it's never nice or fair.  Every war like that has refugees.  But, Israel has no reason to apologize for winning for its survival.   

Once you get to that point, what's the solution?  Kill the Arabs with kindness?  Refuse to defend yourself because, who really deserves to have a state anyway?  Israel could have been better, sure.  But, just imagine if the roles were reversed.  Wouldn't the Palestinians just start an outright genocide?  That's the moral difference here.  God bless Elizabeth Warren for realizing that and defending the Jewish people.  That's the liberal, progressive thing to do.  Israel is a convenient target because they actually listen to critics and they're a "white" western, powerful country.  But, just as might doesn't make right, might doesn't make wrong. 

Your racism is showing.

"But why can't white people use the n-word?!?!"
18  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: FIFA 2014 World Cup - Official Discussion Thread on: July 22, 2014, 09:49:40 am
For a 32-team tournament:

16 Europe
5.5 South America
3.5 North America
4.5 Africa
2.5 Asia (incl. Oceania)
19  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of this quote on: July 21, 2014, 08:28:25 pm
I don't actually disagree with anything in it, tbh. It doesn't change the fact the Israeli government is a bunch of morons and assholes and at this point bear most of the responsibility for the failure of peace talks.
You agree that the US has a responsibility to ensure that Israel maintains a "military edge?"

If that's necessary to prevent the neighboring countries from destroying it, then yes. Though I know that's not the case right now, Israel has historically been much less trigger-happy than its old enemies.
Why is it America's job to provide for Israel's defense?

Powerful nations should do their job to protect smaller nations from aggression, in general. The fact that Israel is probably the single State in the world that the most other countries would like to see crushed makes its defense particularly necessary.

Israel's very existence is a form of aggression.

How is that? (This should be good)

Israel was founded on the idea of turning a mostly Arab-populated area into a homeland for a diaspora by expelling said Arabs, and then proceeding to colonize more land than was even given in the UN proposal for Palestine (and now slowly spreading beyond that in the form of the West Bank settlements, enclosing the Palestinians into ever-smaller bantustans). Zionism is inherently aggressive just as all colonialism is inherently aggressive.

You realize you could apply this logic to almost every country in the world, right? I don't see you advocating for the dissolution of the US, returning it to the Natives, and having us all go back to Europe/Asia/Africa, etc.

I don't think all the Jews should be forced to leave Israel; their settlement is a fait accompli (not to mention that a limited Jewish population had lived in the Levant well before the formation of Israel). The only solution is a single Palestinian state which guarantees equal rights for all citizens of all backgrounds; it may sound silly now, but it's how a racially egalitarian South Africa sounded about thirty years ago.

If you operate on the premise that the Jews won't have to leave, then a two state solution is the only answer. The bloodshed isn't going to end just because a single state of Palestine is established, but just like the bloodshed would not end if Israel fully annexed the territories but granted all the citizens full rights and citizenship. The views of Hamas are not nuanced, they want the Jews gone or dead. Although a two state solution wouldn't fully rectify this problem either due to the fact that they'd share a border, it easily is the least bad option.

No, because that codifies the existence of the Jewish settler state while relegating the Arab Palestine state to two cut-off pieces of land and leaving the Arab residents of Israel as de facto second-class citizens. Hamas would almost certainly be relegated to a minor party if not for the sheer brutality of Israel against Gaza and the West Bank. Look at the bargaining position of Israel versus that of Palestine--Tel Aviv is almost entirely responsible for the lack of peace just as the Afrikaner leaders were responsible for the South African conflict, or the British in Ireland.
20  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Ukraine Crisis on: July 21, 2014, 06:36:47 pm
The fact that only ~52% of the member states of the UN voted yes to condemn a blatantly fraudulent, deceptive, forceful, and illegal annexation of another country

I'm fairly certain Ukraine still exists.
21  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of this quote on: July 21, 2014, 06:15:42 pm
I don't actually disagree with anything in it, tbh. It doesn't change the fact the Israeli government is a bunch of morons and assholes and at this point bear most of the responsibility for the failure of peace talks.
You agree that the US has a responsibility to ensure that Israel maintains a "military edge?"

If that's necessary to prevent the neighboring countries from destroying it, then yes. Though I know that's not the case right now, Israel has historically been much less trigger-happy than its old enemies.
Why is it America's job to provide for Israel's defense?

Powerful nations should do their job to protect smaller nations from aggression, in general. The fact that Israel is probably the single State in the world that the most other countries would like to see crushed makes its defense particularly necessary.

Israel's very existence is a form of aggression.

How is that? (This should be good)

Israel was founded on the idea of turning a mostly Arab-populated area into a homeland for a diaspora by expelling said Arabs, and then proceeding to colonize more land than was even given in the UN proposal for Palestine (and now slowly spreading beyond that in the form of the West Bank settlements, enclosing the Palestinians into ever-smaller bantustans). Zionism is inherently aggressive just as all colonialism is inherently aggressive.

You realize you could apply this logic to almost every country in the world, right? I don't see you advocating for the dissolution of the US, returning it to the Natives, and having us all go back to Europe/Asia/Africa, etc.

I don't think all the Jews should be forced to leave Israel; their settlement is a fait accompli (not to mention that a limited Jewish population had lived in the Levant well before the formation of Israel). The only solution is a single Palestinian state which guarantees equal rights for all citizens of all backgrounds; it may sound silly now, but it's how a racially egalitarian South Africa sounded about thirty years ago.
22  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of this quote on: July 21, 2014, 06:02:13 pm
I don't actually disagree with anything in it, tbh. It doesn't change the fact the Israeli government is a bunch of morons and assholes and at this point bear most of the responsibility for the failure of peace talks.
You agree that the US has a responsibility to ensure that Israel maintains a "military edge?"

If that's necessary to prevent the neighboring countries from destroying it, then yes. Though I know that's not the case right now, Israel has historically been much less trigger-happy than its old enemies.
Why is it America's job to provide for Israel's defense?

Powerful nations should do their job to protect smaller nations from aggression, in general. The fact that Israel is probably the single State in the world that the most other countries would like to see crushed makes its defense particularly necessary.

Israel's very existence is a form of aggression.

How is that? (This should be good)

Israel was founded on the idea of turning a mostly Arab-populated area into a homeland for a diaspora by expelling said Arabs, and then proceeding to colonize more land than was even given in the UN proposal for Palestine (and now slowly spreading beyond that in the form of the West Bank settlements, enclosing the Palestinians into ever-smaller bantustans). Zionism is inherently aggressive just as all colonialism is inherently aggressive.
23  General Politics / Individual Politics / How would you have voted on United Nations General Assembly Resolution 3379? on: July 21, 2014, 04:46:25 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_3379
24  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of this quote on: July 21, 2014, 04:22:10 pm
I don't actually disagree with anything in it, tbh. It doesn't change the fact the Israeli government is a bunch of morons and assholes and at this point bear most of the responsibility for the failure of peace talks.
You agree that the US has a responsibility to ensure that Israel maintains a "military edge?"

If that's necessary to prevent the neighboring countries from destroying it, then yes. Though I know that's not the case right now, Israel has historically been much less trigger-happy than its old enemies.
Why is it America's job to provide for Israel's defense?

Powerful nations should do their job to protect smaller nations from aggression, in general. The fact that Israel is probably the single State in the world that the most other countries would like to see crushed makes its defense particularly necessary.

Israel's very existence is a form of aggression.
25  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Long time, no see. on: July 21, 2014, 04:04:46 pm
Welcome back comrade.
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