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7551  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Who would you vote for in the preceding election? on: August 19, 2012, 08:29:42 pm
Esty.

2010 Democratic Primary US Senate of Pennsylvania
7552  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of mondale84 on: August 19, 2012, 08:27:30 pm
Brilliant satirist and provocateur. Riles up all the usual suspects. FF.
7553  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Is this racist? on: August 19, 2012, 08:13:32 pm
It's not racist, just rather condescending.

Especially the 'Dear Black Voters' and the 'REALLY?'.

I was thinking more that the assertion that black voters are stupid enough to think political race relations are inherited is the condescending part.

Have you noticed that no one ever talks about "White voters" as White voters? White voters are just voters but black voters have to be "Black Voters".
7554  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: 2014: Midterms, Presidential Contests and beyond on: August 19, 2012, 08:12:13 pm
I'd like to see Udall winning the nomination and going against Jindal. A Democratic Mormon vs. Indian-American Republican.

That would be entertaining but its hard to root against the home team..
7555  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: August At-Large Senate Election 1st Preference Polling on: August 19, 2012, 07:24:25 pm
It totally depends on who needs it the most.  I haven't made up my mind yet.
7556  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: National University and General Education Reform bill (Debating) on: August 19, 2012, 07:05:27 pm
Scott hasn't posted in this thread since Ben posted his amendment, Mr. PPT. Tongue
7557  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: If Only Mrs. Clinton... on: August 19, 2012, 06:27:27 pm
Wow, looks like Mccain is going to go down in flames. No mercy!
7558  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: At Large Senate Candidate Q&A on: August 19, 2012, 06:13:43 pm
Here are some more questions:

1. What are your areas of expertise? Do you have knowledge on particular issues that would be unique within the Senate?

2. Would you aspire to serve on any of the established Committees? Do you think there are additional Committees worth creating? Do you feel committees have or can enhance the work of the Senate?

3. What measures would you support to stimulate the economy?

4.
If I may, I'd like to ask each candidate where they stand on crime and what they think should be done to prevent future shootings like the ones we've been seeing in Colorado, Wisconsin, and Texas.  Do you support any new gun control legislation or right-to-carry laws?  Should we put more police on the streets and impose harsher penalties for crimes?  Should law enforcement focus more on punishment or rehabilitation for criminals?  How can we assist local communities in combating crime while respecting civil liberties?
7559  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Notice of absense on: August 19, 2012, 05:18:35 pm
If you're in Oklahoma, I'd stay away from the tap water. Why? Let's just say I have a hunch that it isn't in your best interest.

 have fun. Smiley
7560  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Liberal National Committee Headquarters on: August 19, 2012, 04:35:27 pm
I've said I'd join the Liberals if I weren't in the Imperial Bloc/IDS. Just thought that should be brought to the attention of the party in your endorsement vote.

I'll probably give you my 6th at this point.
7561  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Liberal National Committee Headquarters on: August 19, 2012, 04:11:52 pm
It's a good sign if the Labor Party starts to emancipate itself from the Liberal Party and becomes more unique.
This isn't the way to go about it. This isn't "emancipating" and "becoming unique". This is fracturing the right, which of course you want, as it'll help the Whig candidates. Wink I really can't see how the two liberal parties splitting up is supposed to be beneficial to them.


It isn't supposed to benefit the Left. Anyone on the Left who thinks ZuWo has their best interests at heart and is speaking on their behalf might as well just join the Whigs and elect JCL to the Presidency or Senate or whatever.
7562  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Liberal National Committee Headquarters on: August 19, 2012, 03:54:50 pm
The last time Atlasia had two leftist parties and they didn't work together, it helped lead to Dallasfan and I snagging the Presidency.

Snowstalker has not been particularly shy about having this desire.

I never had the desire to appear divisive or bring about divisiveness, to be completely honest.

You don't appear divisive at all.

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When Snowstalker and Seatown decide to cooperate and ZuWo decides to mind his own business, I may reconsider my vote, as well.  I think it's shameful that two great parties are unable to work together out of spite for minor differences on the issues, but I find it wrong for us to endorse candidates from other parties and get nothing in return.

Oh, I don't necessarily blame the Labor Party as there are a lot of great folks over there. I've decided to endorse Marokai for Senate because he is a serious and dedicated Atlasian, and this is despite our history. Snowstalker is prolonging the problems of the past with his personality-driven politics instead of actually working to help the Left. He tries to play this game of "Who's the Real Leftist?" while voting for Clarence and trying to make shady deals with the Whig Party. Seatown can't even get along with the Labor Party's only other Senator. This mess certainly isn't our doing and frankly I want to stay away from it and the contributors to it.

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And quite frankly, if we have Senate candidates running that demonstrate no desire to work with people they don't agree with all the time, then I don't believe they're qualified to hold public office.  Debate gets heated enough in the Senate between the left and the right at times, and I fear that endorsing people who wish to break the bond between the leftist parties will only lead to further polarization.

That's why I can't support them. I intended to only make positive endorsements in this campaign but I can't sit back and let the game devolve to such a primitive state right when we are finally getting back on track and people are more interested in Atlasia than they have been in a while. If Snowstalker has his way, I imagine a new low for Atlasia.
7563  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Liberal National Committee Headquarters on: August 19, 2012, 01:57:48 pm
I didn't want to vote Nay on anyone but I think the divisive efforts by Seatown and Snowstalker require that our party deny them our support. When they decide they want to contribute to leftist cooperation, I will reconsider.

NAY on Snowstalker
Change my Aye to NAY on Seatown
7564  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: 2014: Midterms, Presidential Contests and beyond on: August 19, 2012, 01:19:21 pm
Cuomo/Udall!
7565  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Whig Party Convention, Bird-in-Hand, PA on: August 19, 2012, 11:39:23 am
"Army" of course means voting bloc; you'll surely agree with Bacon on far more than you'll agree with seatown or me.

And the Whigs will agree with Bacon, Franzl, and Townsend on far more than they would agree with you or Seatown.
7566  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Whig Party Convention, Bird-in-Hand, PA on: August 19, 2012, 11:21:31 am
I reccommend a bit of an uneasy alliance for this election. The liberals have swamped the race with centrist and socially liberal candidates; you hate Napoleon's army, and we've been marginalized by them. Therefore, I ask that both our parties avoid preferencing Liberal candidates at all.

It can't possibly be that saying f*** you to the voters was the bad idea? No of course not, its my fault.

As for our candidates, NVTownsend is very moderate and BK and Franzl both voted for Clarence over me. It's pretty clear that I don't lead some sort of army. Take your campaign's desperation elsewhere.
7567  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Department of Federal Elections: Homelycooking, SoFE on: August 19, 2012, 11:20:00 am
Hell yeah this election is gonna be way awesome

I told you things would be more fun. Wink
7568  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: SJoyceFla (IB-FL) for At-Large Senate on: August 19, 2012, 11:17:42 am
Hot-Button Issues

My basic opinion on these hot-button issues is that the government should remain neutral on people's personal beliefs and should allow people to make decisions for themselves.
  • Abortion: I believe that life is precious and should be protected, and as such women should be allowed to make their own decisions during pregnancy until the point of viability of the fetus. I oppose statues like the Mideast's, which would ban all abortions except in specific limited cases, as an invasion of the private lives of individuals.
  • Gay Rights: I fully oppose any attempts to repeal the Elimination of Civil Marriage Law and Establishment of Civil Unions Act and support it continuing as our law regarding marriage; religious organizations should be allowed to follow their own beliefs on the matter so long as they do not impose such beliefs on others.
  • Stem-Cell Research: I oppose efforts to ban stem-cell research, yet am not a huge fan of government funding of the practice.

Could you speak on the Equal Rights Amendment?
7569  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Senate Election Prediction Poll on: August 19, 2012, 01:35:56 am
Discuss.
7570  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: At Large Senate Poll on: August 19, 2012, 12:16:30 am
Bacon King, Franzl, NVTownsend, AndrewTX, Marokai Blue
7571  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Irony Ore Mine on: August 18, 2012, 11:58:23 pm
How about Jill Biden?

Now you've resorted to SPAMMING other people's threads with your nonsense.  
Are you trying to get yourself banned from the forum?  
Get some maturity and grow up.  If you don't like the current event topics, you don't have to ruin the threads for people who want honest discussions.  

7572  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Jobs Now Act of 2012 (Debating) on: August 18, 2012, 11:31:33 pm
I cannot, as President, participate in erasing the Snowguy legacy. Sorry, guys. You can work around me on that if you want but I find a lot of what we accomplished in that era to be central to our economic future. I will gladly speak in defense of these policies if explanation is needed.
7573  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: FoxConn Embargo & Creation...Committee Bill (At Final Vote) on: August 18, 2012, 11:20:58 pm
Okay- just as long as we address China of our concerns first so we're not interrogating anyone without warning.

Aye.

I'm sure the Chinese will recognize my band of orange thugs when they arrive.
7574  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Worker Co-operative Pilot Program (Debating) on: August 18, 2012, 11:13:04 pm
Is it customary to capitalize the first letter after a hyphen in cases like these?

The Wiki happens to use both. Hahaha.

I'm gonna need some serious convincing on this legislation, especially the billion dollar price tag.
I am quite the penny pincher myself, but we already offer loans to companies for various reasons so I don't see why examining a particular business model that could be more favorable to workers should be cast aside. $1 billion is not all that much in the grand scheme of things.

That said, I think we should limit this program to three years and require businesses accepting these loans to share their information with the DoIA so we can properly evaluate their economic potential. The ESOPs in the law I linked to are given tax breaks but that doesn't necessarily correlate to an increase in that business model. Perhaps we may need Gm Shua to provide some information about the prevalence of ESOPs compared to more "traditional" business models.
7575  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: FoxConn Embargo & Creation...Committee Bill (At Final Vote) on: August 18, 2012, 11:06:18 pm
I was initially going to vote for this, but Sbane raises a valid point.  How can we just deliberately say we're going to investigate FoxConn plants without opening talks with China about this?
Part of investigating the plants is opening the dialogue with China.

Right. It isn't the Senate's role to open talks with China, or any other nation. That responsibility lies with the executive branch. This law can be executed as written, and I believe it should. There is nothing wrong with an investigation.
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