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751  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Moammar al-Gaddafi on: October 21, 2013, 06:45:47 pm
HP, though some of the ideas he espoused were commendable.
752  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Minor Party Only Election Series 1972 on: October 21, 2013, 06:32:48 pm
Spock/Hobson - also my preferred choice if one includes the major party candidates.
753  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: BART Strike: Who do you stand with? on: October 21, 2013, 06:26:24 pm
Strikers (I/O), if Beet's calculations are accurate. I do not know about any other provisions on the table, unfortunately. There is a chance I may be on BART's side on a least some of the matters in dispute. Like Sbane, I prefer to understand all perspectives before taking a firm stance of my own.
754  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 2016 D Primary: Hillary vs. Schweitzer on: October 21, 2013, 06:13:31 pm
Clinton, easily. Schweitzer is charismatic but centrist.
755  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Dick Cheney defends tea party. on: October 21, 2013, 06:05:52 pm
Do you all agree with Cheney and many yahoo readers that the time has come to address things such as campaign financing, spending, and term limits?

Yes and no. I'd like to see term limits, though if Cheney does why did he serve two terms as VP?

I think campaign finance reforms are important to pursue but my solutions (e.g. public campaign financing, ban on all private donations to candidates' campaigns, regulations affecting coverage of races in the broadcast news media) undercut private property and free speech rights, and would therefore be disagreeable to the Tea Party's followers.

Finally, federal spending is a problem right now, yet the Tea Party would balk at my solutions since they would cut deeply into defense spending while sharply raising the income tax on all brackets. Many of them do not believe in raising taxes of any kind at all, no?
756  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Smoking bans? on: October 21, 2013, 01:58:32 am
It is a matter of informed, non-coerced consent, or in this case lack thereof. Secondhand smoke is toxic. Ban it within and near the exteriors of all public buildings, and make it a criminal offense to expose minors, pets, or livestock to the stuff.
757  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: What have you eaten for dinner? on: October 21, 2013, 12:39:17 am
A frozen Snickers bar, two slices of bread, and an English muffin.
758  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Three Piece Suits? on: October 21, 2013, 12:36:14 am
Other - aesthetically pleasing but also a status symbol in a bad way. Money spent on suits is wasted, in my opinion.
759  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Ideal form of Taxation!? on: October 21, 2013, 12:32:26 am
Other: Henry George-style land tax, plus a carbon tax.  Of the choices listed, though, a progressive income tax topping out at about 50% seems the best.

I am still undecided but like Train in the Distance's response quite a bit. I prefer the progressive income tax with the rate he provided but would probably also be happy with his favorite choice.
760  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: What is a Social Democrat? on: October 20, 2013, 11:39:40 pm
A social democrat belongs in the most moderate branch of socialism. They favour incremental reforms, working from within the existing order to capture the state on behalf of the People. They pursue socialist objectives using a mixed, capitalist economy tempered with regulation, egalitarian welfare policies, significant use of taxation for redistribution; they tinker with corporatist policies, often shift some sectors of the economy under public control, and generally contend that political interests should have primacy over economic concerns. Many of 'em want this to serve as a stepping stone to democratic socialism, while some are "Third Way" folk who see social market (but still capitalist) economies as preferable to either free markets or a full transition to socialism.

Socialists demand that workers control the means of production, which is something the social democrats tend to neglect - oftentimes empowering labour unions and/or having the state run some industries but never really going all the way with workplace democracy, nationalization, cooperativization, etc. From the socialist perspective it is easy to see social democrats as being Moderate Hero types at best, or opportunistic capitalists taking advantage of the Left's talking points to advance their own interests - namely keeping the workers complacent - at worst.

Liberals believe in limited government, which is their main point of contention with the social democrats. A liberal will not advocate state-run industries unless it seems absolutely vital to preserving individual rights, and the liberal seeks to have a weak instead of strong state like the social democrats would prefer. The liberal will ask how the state can help individuals help themselves, whereas the social democrat is more inclined to ask how the state can reshape society to advance the common interest. I suppose social liberalism occupies a middle ground, perceiving individual and collective interests as often overlapping rather than being in conflict.

Finally - if by conservative you mean to say traditionalist - the most important difference is their rejection of egalitarianism. The conservative contends that some people are more valuable and worthy of fortune, entitlements, respect, happiness, etc. than others. These folks will not have a problem with "big" government, yet have values different from those of the social democrat. They are nationalists, put a lot of stock in loyalty, and do not feel as inclined to tolerate deviant behaviors, lifestyles, cultural influences, and so forth (i.e. they want a pure, morally wholesome society where people have similar customs). In contrast, the social democrat wants to treat all folk as equally valuable, usually is more internationalist or humanitarian than focused on national self-interest in foreign affairs, and are comfortable with welcoming a lot of diversity in society.

To answer you last question, FDR might have been a social democrat. I am not entirely sure about any of the others. A lot of people who identify as "liberal" in the U.S. would be better described as social democrats, though I will stop short of saying they mean the same thing here since I know there are differences between the social liberalism so popular in the States and social demcoracy.
761  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Should the US intervene in Syria... on: October 20, 2013, 10:48:45 pm
Yes - revolution is the appropriate response to authoritarianism, and the U.S. is in a position to help.
762  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Noble Syrian rebels continue valiant struggle for peace and freedom on: October 20, 2013, 08:20:41 pm

Assad Apologists: Look! The rebels did something naughty again!

Rebel Sympathizers: Yes and that is awful but not all the anti-Assad forces are like this.

Assad Apologists: But you cannot deny that terrorists among them seek to seize power.

Rebel Sympathizers: They probably won't, and we should be helping the right elements.

Assad Apologists: Or we could side with the lesser evil to avoid another Libya or Egypt.

Rebel Sympathizers: Pres. Assad and his loyalists are awful; here are some examples.

Assad Apologists: Islamists and anti-Assad forces are awful; here are some examples.

Rebel Sympathizers: But freedom! Democracy! Self-determination of the downtrodden!

Assad Apologists: But political Islam! Minority rights! Anti-American foreign policy drama!

Rebel Sympathizers: Illiberal, heartless, imperialist swine!

Assad Apologists: Naive, delusional, warmongering dogs!


763  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Is the Gadsten Flag ruined now? on: October 20, 2013, 08:01:02 pm
Yes - it is now the most iconic political symbol of anti-statists and patriot groups of the far right.
764  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Your opinions on these issues. on: October 20, 2013, 12:36:21 pm

1. Abortion is a woman's right - Support

It should be her right until third trimester, at least.

2. Require companies to hire more women & minorities - Oppose

Affirmative action is okay but not the best way to promote an egalitarian society.

3. Sexual Orientation protected by civil rights laws - Strongly Support

People should be treated as of equal value regardless of what labels are affixed to them.

4. Teach Values in public schools - Strongly Oppose

Offer children the tools and information needed to consider and choose their own values.

5. Death Penalty - Strongly Oppose

It is morally deplorable for the state to initiate violence against any human being.

6. Mandatory 3-strike sentencing laws - Strongly Oppose

Mandatory sentencing seems like a overly rigid tool making lawmakers look tough on crime.

7. Absolute Right to Gun Ownership - Strongly Oppose

There are no absolute rights, and the right to own a gun should not be treated as such.

8. More Federal funding for health coverage - Strongly Support

At least a basic level of health insurance should be provided by the state to everyone.

9. Privatize Social Security - Support

It is a very flawed system; replace it with a basic income and public health insurance.

10. Parents Choose Schools via vouchers - Oppose

Maybe I'll change my mind on this at some point.

11. Replace coal & oil with alternatives - Strongly Support

Horrible energy sources are horrible.

12. Enforce Laws against Drugs - Support

I believe in rule of law. I strongly oppose laws against recreational drugs, however.

13. Allow churches to provide welfare services - Strongly Oppose

Churches can be charitable but the upkeep of human rights is a state responsibility.

14. Make Taxes more progressive - Strongly Support

Nearly everyone in the U.S. is undertaxed right now, especially high income earners.

15. Illegal Immigrants earn citizenship - Strongly Support

...if by "earn" you mean agree to abide by the law once they become citizens.

16. Support & Expand Free Trade - Support

Free trade is better in the long term than no trade, though fair trade can be great, too.

17. More Spending on the Armed Forces - Strongly Oppose

R&D may deserve more funding but on the whole I support very deep cuts to defense.

18. Stricter Limits on campaign funding - Strongly Support

To begin with, public campaign financing would be great.

19. Patriot Act Harms civil liberties - Yes it does, which is a strong opinion of mine

Security from the state invariably matters more than security from terrorists.

20. US Troops out of Iraq & Afghanistan - Support

My only reluctance is for making sure the people stepping in are competent.

765  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Wildest political claim you've heard from someone outside of politics on: October 19, 2013, 05:05:51 pm
1. Camouflaged, vampiric space lizards want our energy, run the New World Order, and Bush Jr. is one of them.

2. A DARPA station in Alaska directs hurricanes into political foes of the U.S. state and can trigger earthquakes.

3. Without enough racial segregation, our descendants will interbreed and thus become primitive "bushmen."
766  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Paranoid Dick Cheney thought terrorists might attack his heart on: October 19, 2013, 05:00:13 pm
Actually, I think he made the right call - especially given that his tenure as VP was during wartime.
767  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of the U.S. Constitution on: October 19, 2013, 04:52:09 pm
There's a lot of discussion about how outdated the document is, but I think it unfair to consider it as a document today without its amendments. That's the whole point of amendments, to keep to document current to the changing needs of the people. So any discussion about slavery and the lack of suffrage seems moot to me. They aren't relevant to the constitution today.

I completely agree with this, yet my concerns about the Constitution being outdated were already factoring in the amendments made to the document.

Gridlock is not a serious problem today, in my humble opinion, and the lack of progressive policy would not be either if not for the Constitution itself institutionalizing an out-of-date variation on liberalist ideology - something which will not change for a few generations at the very soonest.
768  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of "heck" on: October 19, 2013, 12:00:24 pm
FW when used in a Dilbert comic. Otherwise almost invariably awful.
769  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of the U.S. Constitution on: October 19, 2013, 11:53:58 am
I didn't vote in the poll. It was a FD, on balance, at the time and a HD, once again on balance, today.
770  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Quote Your First Post on: October 18, 2013, 08:15:15 pm
A quiz slut from day one (some quotes removed to make it short enough to post)...

Beyond Red vs. Blue The 2005 Typology Test


[The Political Compass™]

Economic Left/Right: -6.75
Social Authoritarian/Libertarian: -8.36

[The Political Matrix]

Economic score: -6.32
Social score: -8.35

[Politopia - The Land of Custom-Made Government]

Placed in the Southwest with liberals, civil libertarians, democratic socialists, egalitarians, and anarcho-socialists.

[World's Smallest Political Quiz]

Personal issues score is 100%.
Economic issues score is 10%.

[OkCupid! Politics Test]

Described as socialist; am a social (78% permissive) and economic (11% permissive) liberal.

[Moral Politics - A Morality-Based Political Test]

Placed as -5 on moral order, 3.5 on moral rules. System: Socialism; Ideology: Social Democratism, Activism; Party: No Match; Presidents: Jimmy Carter; '04 Election: David Cobb; '08 Election: Dennis Kucinich. Of the respondents: 4% are close, 76% are more conservative, 6% are more liberal, 4% are more socialist, and 8% are more authoritarian.

[VoteMatch Quizes]

"Hard-core liberal" with a personal score of 80% and economic score of 10%. Among parties, had a 58% match (70% P, 15% E) with the GPUSA, 33% match (40% P, 25% E) with the Democratic Party, and a 20% match (10% P, 30% E) with the Republican Party. From the rest of the quizzes here, the five closest matches amongst public officials were:

1. Dennis Kucinich, 75% match (81% S and 71% E)
2. Ralph Nader, 75% match (75% S and 75% E)
3. Brian Moore, 73% match (69% S and 75% E)
4. Joe Biden, 73% match (56% S and 83% E)
5. Chris Dodd, 70% match (81% S and 63% E)


The quiz results report that I am...

5% more leftist (E) and 12% more leftist (S) than B. Richardson (76% substantive match).
6% more leftist (E) and 8% more leftist (S) than J. Edwards (74% substantive match).
11% more leftist (E) and 4% more rightist (S) than B. Obama (72% substantive match).
2% more leftist (E) and 13% more leftist (S) than H. Clinton (67% substantive match).
55% more leftist (E) and 29% more leftist (S) than R. Paul (51 % substantive match).
52% more leftist (E) and 61% more leftist (S) than J. McCain (39% substantive match).
59% more leftist (E) and 48% more leftist (S) than R. Giuliani (35% substantive match).
61% more leftist (E) and 61% more leftist (S) than M. Romney (33% substantive match).
56% more leftist (E) and 68% more leftist (S) than M. Huckabee (33% substantive match).
59% more leftist (E) and 76% more leftist (S) than F. Thompson (31% substantive match).

Swedish political parties

My #1 is: Centre Party
My #2 is: Environmentalist Party       
My #3 is: Social Democrats     
My #4 is: Left-Wing Party
My #5 is: People's Party (Liberals)
My #6 is: Communist Party Marxist-Leninist

[Political Philosophy Quiz]

Conservative/Progressive score: 12 (Social Progressive)
Libertarian/Authoritarian score: 2 (Libertarian)
Pacifist/Militarist score: 3 (Pacifist)

Classified as a Hardcore Democrat, and was compared to Bill Clinton, JFK, and Jimmy Carter.

[Political Spectrum Quiz]

I was deemed a left social libertarian (-5.38, -5.86), scored -6.3 on the foreign policy scale (anti-war), and scored -9.4 on the cultural scale (liberal). Generally, this appeared to place me at a position on the chat four points more libertarian than the U.S. Democratic, U.K. Labour, and Canadian New Democratic Parties. A party could not be found closer aligned than the GPUSA but the result I received was still within the Democratic spread.

[The Enhanced-Precision Political Quiz]

Personal score: 70%
Economic score: 20%

In which of the nine political regions do you fit?

My #1 is: Centralist - Socially center, economically left.    
My #2 is: Moderate - Socially center, economically center.
My #3 is: Left - Socially left, economically left.   
My #4 is: Liberal - Socially left, economically center.
My #5 is: Statist - Socially right, economically left.

[What Kind of Conservative Are You?]

Neo-Con (50% match): You were originally either apolitical or even *gasp* a liberal who was mugged by the reality of world events. You believe in peace through severely pounding those who threaten you. Your motto: "What would Hitchens do?"

[What Kind of a Liberal Are You?]

You Scored as Neo-Con (70%): You have been expelled from the Liberal family for daring to hold onto the values that made you a liberal in the first place. Now you're a dirty little Neo-Con who is worse than Hitler.

[Which economic school do you belong to?]

My #1 is: Keynesian
My #2 is: Neo-Keynesian
My #3 is: Gandhian
My #4 is: Communist
My #5 is: Neoclassical
My #6 is: New Keynesian

[What ideology are you?]

My #1 is: Social Liberalism
My #2 is: Social Democratism
My #3 is: Green Anarchism
My #4 is: Christian Democratism
My #5 is: Eco-Socialism
My #6 is: Classical Liberalism
My #7 is: Democratic Socialism
My #8 is: International Communism
My #9 is: Anarcho-Socialism
My #10 is: Neolibertarianism
My #11 is: Libertarianism

[Foreign Policy Philosophy]

My #1 is: Radical - Emphasis on social justice, cooperation, democracy
My #2 is: Neoliberal - Emphasis on cooperation, consensus, free trade
My #3 is: Pacifist - Emphasis on violence, injustice, war
My #4 is: Liberal - Emphasis on freedom, markets, democracy
My #5 is: Libertarian - Emphasis on defense, small government, vital interests

[Vosem Chart Locator (United States version)]

Liberal (100%), New Labour (75%), Anarcho-Syndicalist (67%), Totalitarian (65%), Libertarian (39%), Traditional Societies (37%), Authoritarian (37%), Conservative (5%).

[European Political Ideologies]

My #1 is: Green
My #2 is: Social Democrat
My #3 is: Social Liberal
My #4 is: Classical Socialist
My #5 is: Communist

[Political Profile]

My #1 is: Welfare Liberal (Socialist, Elitist, Modernist, Individualist)
My #2 is: Social Democrat (Socialist, Democrat, Modernist, Individualist)
My #3 is: Classical Liberal (Capitalist, Elitist, Modernist, Individualist)
My #4 is: Communist (Socialist, Elitist, Modernist, Collectivist)
My #5 is: Liberal-Democrat (Capitalist, Democrat, Modernist, Individualist)
My #6 is: Communal Socialist (Socialist, Elitist, Traditionalist, Individualist)
My #7 is: Socialist (Socialist, Democrat, Modernist, Collectivist)
My #8 is: Anarchist (Socialist, Democrat, Traditionalist, Individualist)
My #9 is: Progressive Conservative (Capitalist, Elitist, Modernist, Collectivist)

[Political Personality Quiz]

Based on your answers, you are a strong supporter of a "planned society."

Highest ranking dimension: Big Government
Second highest ranking dimension: Wide Focus

Also, somewhat more democratic, individualistic, and ecocentric than autocratic, collectivist, and human-centric; exactly balanced between "literalist" and "rationalist."

The Economic School of Thought Test

46 Keynesian, 38 Chicago, and 8 Austrian

You know some Keynesian and Neoclassical economics, but are committed to neither the Keynesian or Chicago School. You're no radical . . . you have just enough interest in economics to be dangerous. At least you retained some, though, and have a working knowledge on which to build. Some of your thoughts are a bit inconsistent, though, so you probably are more of a practical thinker, just using what you think makes sense, or is most effective to the needs of the day. Don't argue with Socialists or Fascists, you're not equipped yet, but you can explain some basic things to a younger relative who may be asking why the market performs as it does.

Civics Quiz

You answered 30 out of 33 correctly — 90.91 %
Average score for this quiz during January: 73.7%

The Direction of the Country Test

Global Kumbaya: -4 traditional, 12 liberties, -6 capitalist, -4 isolationist and 2 populist!

Where this country went wrong was in thinking we could do anything all by ourselves -- as a nation or as individuals. What we need is a resurgence of the cooperative spirit, of concern for human rights and the well-being of our fellow man, of the heights that a person's potential can reach when it's properly nourished. It's time to combine our energies into a rising tide that lifts all boats, at home and abroad. Yes, we can!
771  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: is it time to re-examine the criminal justice system? on: October 17, 2013, 11:46:51 pm
I reckon we'd be better off with a much greater emphasis on rehabilitation and a restorative, not retributive, justice system. Civil law also seems a bit more attractive to me than common law. No more death penalty and no life sentences without parole, but there should be some way to keep criminals in prison indefinitely if they clearly still pose a sufficiently serious threat to others.

My overarching perspective is that the criminal is someone who is acting in a way unfairly hindering the free exercise of others' rights and, though still valuable and entitled to many rights under the terms of the social contract they have with the state, need to be placed in environs controlled enough to prevent more inappropriate acts / violations of the contract from being perpetrated.

The way I see it, justice is done: for victims when the offenders have done everything reasonable within their power to make reparations and the state does everything reasonable in its power to protect victims from further harm; for offenders when victims are placated sufficiently that they will not seek extrajudicial retribution and the state treats them humanely - with dignity, respect, and with concern for their (hopefully) eventual restoration as productive and free members of society; and justice is done for the state and everyone else in the country negotiating with it when the constitutionally codified terms of their social contract are upheld (as a matter of mutual interest).

Snowguy's post is something I can stand by 100%, as well.
772  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Post your First World Problems here on: October 17, 2013, 05:56:48 pm
Well, since I'm great at finding things to complain about:

  • My employer won't give me more hours because they'd have to get me health insurance.
  • The average rent for an apartment in town is higher than my monthly gross pay.
  • I'm underemployed, with my current income falling about 33% short of the poverty line.
  • I'm a lonely romantic without a girlfriend in over three years; still a virgin and never been kissed.
  • What I want most in life is love but I just get rejected, cheated on, or eventually dumped.
  • The local branch of my political party is so FUBAR that there's nobody to accept my application to join.
  • I cannot seem to reliably control when I wake up each morning.
  • I've plans to write over a dozen books but no motivation to actually write most of the time.
  • A political career is basically ruled out for me by my eccentricity, lingering social phobia, and autism.
  • It is very embarrassing being 24 with the overall maturity and life skills of a teenager.
  • My knowledge of some areas of study is vast, but I've no productive outlet for applying it to my labors.
  • I am smart enough to know what is wrong with me but oft too neurotic to function well independently.
  • My only friends are online; none of them enjoy spending time with me as much as I do with them.
  • I have to commute on a bike all year in a rural area; driving tests for cars are too stressful for me.
  • The daily weather patterns are such that I must ride into a headwind both to and from work.
  • I'd be fine riding a motorcycle but under law I cannot do that without passing driving tests in cars.
  • No careers within my reach have much - in any - appeal to me; work is mostly a burden.
  • My dream job is being a poli sci prof. but I can't handle the stress of going back to uni for more degrees.
  • My fallback job of choice is being a librarian but that is also out of reach for the aforementioned reason.
  • I'd also thrive on being a state-level legislator but haven't a snowball's chance in hell at getting elected.
  • I'm poor but do not qualify for TANF, food stamps, or any subsidies for Obamacare's insurance mandate.
  • If my parents weren't so generous I'd be homeless with untreated clinical depression in spite of working.
  • I try to be financially responsible but don't have enough income to set aside anything for saving.
  • My socioeconomic position forces me to focus on basics for survival rather than striving for fulfillment.
  • Most of my dreams are about things that bring me distress.
  • Trips to town are a hassle; locking up the bike takes time and I always arrive sweaty.
  • The interest I get from local banks and credit unions seldom keeps up with the rate of inflation.
  • I am too much of an underachiever to get the social approval and positive attention from others I crave.
  • I want to be vegetarian but am too finicky to get enough protein without meat.
  • Almost every food I like is unhealthy for me and/or prohibitively expensive to have often.
  • Either I exercise and go hungry every day, or continue to creep unhealthy closer to obesity.
  • I get nagged on by one parent for not prioritizing traditionalism in lifestyle over living within my means.
  • I seem to be a magnet for deer flies, horse flies, mosquitoes, yellowjackets, and wasps.
  • Can't rip videos from online (e.g. YouTube) anymore for some reason.
  • As a self-critical perfectionist, I more or less perpetually condemn myself to low self-esteem.
  • I am very forgetful and awful when it comes to executive functioning.
  • I am very clumsy, oft jumble up my words, and generally give off the impression of being an idiot.
  • I want to adopt kids or animals, and help other people, but it's too much of a struggle to even help myself.
  • My life is meaningless, insignificant, largely out of my power to control, and never free of worry and anxiety.
  • Without others to frequently lean on for practical advice and emotional support, poor mental health would force me into absolute poverty, then to suicide, in less than a year.

Also, on a lighter note, languages shouldn't be so hard to learn. I'd like to know Spanish and Russian, at least.
773  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Who's the biggest True Leftist on Atlas? on: October 17, 2013, 04:23:40 pm
What are we using as a working definition of "True Leftist," if I may ask? Are we talking about the poster adhering to views closest to those of a red anarchist, the most orthodox adherent here to Marxist-Leninism, the poster with views most compatible with the Old Labor flavor of 20th century, European democratic socialists, the person who is most radical in how their views differ from those well established in Western civilization, the one espousing the most egalitarian values, the poster most thoroughly championing self-determination of the individual free of oppression, or? Until we settle on how we are to measure and compare posters there can be no rational answer.

If I had to guess... maybe Tweed?
774  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Nuclear Power on: October 17, 2013, 02:18:09 pm
FE on balance, and the only huge rift to be found between myself and most Greens.

It is also the only part of the energy sector I think the state can manage better than firms. The biggest problems with it involve extraction of ore at the beginning of the fuel-making process. Future prospects are good, however, and nuclear will be even more FE'esque once reactors begin using Thorium or someone figures out how to make fusion power stations viable.
775  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Monarchy or Republic? on: October 16, 2013, 10:58:15 pm
Staunch republican here, though I do not think monarchy is inherently bad.
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