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25801  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: George Bush v. John Kerry (1956) on: June 03, 2005, 11:10:16 pm


What does RINO stand for?

Republican In Name Only. Sort of like Lowell Weicker in 1988.
The opposite, a DINO seems to be much more common. Zell Miller is a perfect example.
25802  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Comparing Bush on: June 03, 2005, 11:09:19 pm

I think people knew the Roosevelts were going to be great before they left office.

But not at the start of their second terms. At this point in FDR's second term, he was getting his a** whipped over the court packing plan. His New Deal was stalled, and he had no effective foreign policy.

There were many who felt about FDR just the way you feel about Bush. Had he retired in 1940, after 2 terms, his place in history would not be anywhere near where it is. Although I am a Republican, I have spoken favorably of FDR's leadership in resisting Nazi aggression many times.

In 1940, FDR beat a RINO by a landslide.
25803  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Bush Job Approval Rating on: June 03, 2005, 11:07:41 pm
Polls of the last 4 weeks

Gallup 23-26 48%
Gallup 20-22 46%
Zogby 23-25 46%
CBS 20-24 46%
Quinnipiac 18-23 44%
Pew 11-15 43%
Time 10-12 46%

Pretty consistant 46%, if anything the average is slightly lower.
25804  General Discussion / History / Re: Presidential Survivor (ROUND 40) on: June 03, 2005, 11:04:19 pm
Well the final results for this round are this:

Thomas Jefferson - 20

Harry Truman - 20

Theodore Roosevelt - 2

ATFFL and Jake did not get their votes in on time. So this round will go to a half hour tie breaker which will be up in the Election What if forum at 12:10 and will end at 12:40. The final round will not be posted until we know who the final 2 are gonna be.

Lord, you people are gonna kill me here. Tongue

Jake and ATFFL would have cancelled each other out, anyways.
25805  General Discussion / History / Re: Presidential Survivor (ROUND 40) on: June 03, 2005, 11:03:41 pm
No tiebreaker this round. Truman.

BTW, I got a 710 on the verbal section of the GRE and a 770 on the math.

Just thought I would throw that out there.

That's a pretty good verbal score, but too bad you didn't get an 800 on the math. Wink
25806  General Discussion / History / Re: Presidential Survivor (ROUND 40) on: June 03, 2005, 11:01:04 pm
Why's everyone voting after midnight?
25807  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Gitmo abuses confirmed on: June 03, 2005, 10:59:41 pm
jfern leavews out the fact that the abusers were disciplined, just as the Abu Ghraib abusers were.

I hadn't heard that part. But perhaps they'll find some lowly enlisted men to blame it all on.
25808  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Comparing Bush on: June 03, 2005, 10:56:58 pm

I agree with most of what you say, J.J.

It's amazing to me how some people have such a lack of historical perspective that they can claim he's the worst president ever, without waiting to see the results of his policies.

Many presidents now considered great were hated while in office, while other highly popular ones fell in favor after their administrations ended. There's no way to really judge a president's place in history while he is in office.

Bush will be a consequential president, one way or another. That's why I don't think it's appropriate to rate him as average. He will not be average. He will either be a great president, possibly a mixed one, with strong pluses and minuses, or he could conceivably be a terrible one. But it's too soon to tell.

I think people knew the Roosevelts were going to be great before they left office.
25809  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Howard Dean pours extra money into four red states. on: June 03, 2005, 10:53:05 pm
It's not just 4 states.

Already done:

1. Wyoming
2. Nevada
3. Nebraska
4. Mississippi
5. Kansas
6. Missouri
7. North Dakota
8. North Carolina
9. West Virginia

Next on the list:

* South Dakota
* Maryland
* Arkansas
* Colorado

Ok... I'll bite.....

Wyoming.....?!?

While it's usually very solidly Republican, it has a  popular Democratic governor
25810  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: What would make this possible? on: June 03, 2005, 10:51:54 pm
Impossible today.
25811  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: The Best Democratic Governor (Western Bracket) on: June 03, 2005, 10:00:21 pm
Dave Freudenthal (WY)
Janet Napolitano (AZ)
Bill Richardson (NM)
Brian Schweitzer (MT)
25812  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: My dislike for suburbs on: June 03, 2005, 09:38:45 pm
Melbourne has one of the lowest densities in the world in the outer suburbs; there is a massive urban sprawl. Damn 1/4 acre blocks.

Somewhere I saw that almost all of the top sprawling cities in the world are in the US. Atlanta has the worst sprawl of a major city.
25813  General Discussion / History / Re: Presidential Survivor Discussion Thread - II on: June 03, 2005, 09:29:50 pm
Hiroshima was great, but reducing Jefferson to Sally Hemmings is lame.

He gave us the Lousiana Purchase, paid off national debt, and repealed internal taxes in the United States. Lastly, let's not forget that Jefferson was a supporter of states' rights; Truman wasn't.

Louisiana Purchase - we might have been able to get it for free, France was rather busy with the Napolenic wars, which they ended up losing
Paid off national debt - Borrow and spend Reagan or Dubya hadn't been President yet, so that wasn't so much of an accomplishment as it sounds
Repealed internal taxes - A negative if you want the government to actually do anything. And aren't you Republicans all for free trade?
State's rights - Yes, he was very pro-slavery
25814  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Howard Dean pours extra money into four red states. on: June 03, 2005, 07:51:33 pm
It's not just 4 states.

Already done:

   1. Wyoming
   2. Nevada
   3. Nebraska
   4. Mississippi
   5. Kansas
   6. Missouri
   7. North Dakota
   8. North Carolina
   9. West Virginia

Next on the list:

    * South Dakota
    * Maryland
    * Arkansas
    * Colorado
25815  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Howard Dean pours extra money into four red states. on: June 03, 2005, 07:41:24 pm
That was a fluke, Jfern- I assume you're aware that Jimmy Carter was the nominee in 1976, and that Georgia is normally a Republican stronghold.

I'm aware of that. If you want another large shift try 1928 to 1932 in Kansas. The Republican VP candidate was still from there in 1932.
25816  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Howard Dean pours extra money into four red states. on: June 03, 2005, 07:37:03 pm
I think Colorado should be a big priority, certainly way ahead of Arizona.

I should certainly think so- you seem to believe that Colorado will somehow become a Democratic stronghold overnight by 2008.

1972:


1976:
25817  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Gitmo abuses confirmed on: June 03, 2005, 07:33:26 pm
Of course it's a Friday afternoon dump, the best time to release some news and have it not get much coverage. The Bush adminstration always does this.


Brought to you by one of those partisan Republican conservatives at DailyKos
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/6/3/195345/7020
25818  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The European Disease on: June 03, 2005, 07:28:44 pm
It is bad for the economy overall. It has resulted in stagnant growth and high employment. I know what you'll say to this- the unemployed are well off, since they have a generous welfare state to fall back on!

Yes, I would say that.  Also I would note that they need far less growth as their populations are not really growing much at all anymore.

Their economy is probably growing faster once you factor in population growth and inflation.
25819  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Bush Job Approval Rating on: June 03, 2005, 07:26:49 pm
Rasmussen is an outlier. Bush has been averaging about 46% approval recently.
25820  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Political Compass Thread on: June 03, 2005, 07:21:02 pm
Weird questions like that are generally part of the California F-Scale test to detect fascism. Which is stupid.

I'm a "whining rotter".
25821  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Comparing Bush on: June 03, 2005, 07:15:57 pm
Before Bush became President, I had the feeling that he'd be the worst President we ever had. Despite my amazing low expectations, he's been a worse President than I thought. Obviously option 7.

jfern I have a few question for you. First how old are you? I want to know this so I can see if President Bush is the first real President that you have known when you are old enough to figure out and understand politics. Second question is what Presidents have you lived under since age 14?

I remember Clinton and Bush senior being President fairly well. I vaugely remember Reagan. I'm not sure how any of this matters, since the other really bad Presidents were from long ago: Buchanan, Coolidge.
25822  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: The daughters on: June 03, 2005, 06:44:48 pm
Don't forget Cate Edwards.


25823  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Fundamentalist nuts to boycott Ford on: June 03, 2005, 06:35:03 pm

You are quite correct about modern (say post 1995) American cars, despite your silly car-snobbery!  Though the older ones were much better, particularly the 'full-size' cars.  By the way, what American car costs over $100,000?

Arnold's hummers do. Maybe he'll stop driving them now that he suddenly realized that global warming is a big problem. Yeah right.
25824  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Has the War in Iraq been going well? on: June 03, 2005, 06:30:26 pm
CIA agent tells Bush adminstration to get a grip on the reality of Iraq
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/6/3/103247/6843

While there were no WMD, Chemical and Biological weapons equitment have been looted since the war started
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/6/3/145230/7743

Last month another 80 US soldiers were killed in Iraq
http://www.icasualties.org/oif/
25825  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Comparing Bush on: June 03, 2005, 06:23:00 pm
Before Bush became President, I had the feeling that he'd be the worst President we ever had. Despite my amazing low expectations, he's been a worse President than I thought. Obviously option 7.
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