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25801  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: John McCain is no TR! on: December 01, 2006, 06:11:26 pm
McCain is most definitely no TR, but not because of this.
25802  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: 2008 rundowns on: November 30, 2006, 07:23:10 pm
Update:

Democrats

In:
Former Sen. Gravel AK Campaign site
Gov. Vilsack IA Campaign site

Announced:
Sen. Biden DE PAC
Sen. Dodd CT Senate page

Seem interested:
Sen. Bayh IN
Ret. Gen. Clark AR
Sen. Clinton NY
Fmr. Sen. Daschle SD
Fmr. Sen. Edwards NC
Sen. Kerry MA
Sen. Obama IL
Gov. Richardson NM

Some others:
Fmr. VP Gore TN
Gov. Corzine NJ
Gov. Blagojevich IL
Gov. Bredesen TN
Gov. Easley NC
Fmr. Sen. Hart CO
Rep. Kucinch OH
Sen. Levin MI
Gov. Schweitzer MT
Rev. Sharpton NY

Out:
Sen. Feingold WI
Fmr. Gov. Warner VA


Republicans

In:
2 nobodies

Exploratory committees:
Fmr. Mayor Giuliani NY PAC
Rep. Hunter CA No website for PAC
Sen. McCain AZ PAC

Seem interested:
Sen. Brownback KS
Fmr. House Spk. Gingrich GA
Sen. Hagel NE
Gov. Huckabee AR
Gov. Pataki NY
Gov. Romney MA
Rep. Tancredo CO
Fmr. Gov. Thompson WI

Some others:
Sen. Allen VA
Mayor Bloomberg NY
Sen. Dole NC
Gov. Owens CO
Rep. Pence IN
Fmr. Gen. Powell
Sec. of State. Rice CA
Gov. Rounds SC
Sen. Sununu NH
Gov. Pawlenty MN

Out:

Gov. Bush FL
Sen. Frist TN
Gov. Sanford SC
Sen. Santorum PA
25803  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: New Citizenship Test Questions Unveiled on: November 30, 2006, 06:36:30 pm
Dude, the President of the United States doesn't know what the constitution does.
25804  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: 2008 Senate Matchups: NJ on: November 30, 2006, 05:44:50 pm

I wonder how the Florida GOP can preach Family values, and then have a perverted congressman =))

Family values means killing brown families.
25805  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Yet another Ford indicted today..... on: November 30, 2006, 05:43:25 pm
And Bush Sr.'s daddy sold military supplies to Nazi Germany 10 months after Pearl Harbor. Do you have a point?
25806  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Bush acting stupid again/Jim Webb = Awesome on: November 30, 2006, 04:53:56 pm
Bush deserves no respect for his lies to push his warmongering agenda that uses young men such as Jimmy Webb as cannon fodder.

This is true, but it's not like Webb had to respond to Bush with a stupid campaign talking point.  Webb is basically using his son for political purposes.

No one is innocent or benign here, and it's certainly not a very shining event for either of them.  More a non-event than anything else, other than two grown men in Washington D.C. being unable to hold a conversation without entering into a pissing match.

Well, Jim Webb is in the right here, seeing as he didn't send the Bush twins to be cannon fodder in some far off war based upon lies.
25807  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / Re: Deano963 vs. Keystone Phil on: November 30, 2006, 04:51:33 pm
Keystone Phil 535
Diaherria963 0
Unpledged Electors 3



LOL!
25808  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Bush acting stupid again/Jim Webb = Awesome on: November 30, 2006, 04:48:10 pm
Honestly, Webb should have beaten the sh**t out of Bush. Bush sent Webb's son off to risk his life in some utterly pointless war. Bush is complete human trash.


Respect is earned - not given.

If President Bush had done or said one single thing throughtout this entire Iraq disaster without completely f***ing it up, you might have a point. 

As things stand, you don't.

It doesn't matter that you support Bush or not.  However, taking the high road is sometimes better - which Webb should have done and failed to do.  Since you both disagree with Bush then you say it is okay for Webb to stup towards Bush's level (if Webb does what Jfern would have done in that situation).

Respect is a lot better than disrespect, even to someone you can not agree with or tolerate - something both of you need to learn!

Bush deserves no respect for his lies to push his warmongering agenda that uses young men such as Jimmy Webb as cannon fodder. Jim Webb showed Bush respect by not beating the living crap out of him.
25809  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Nancy Pelosi on: November 30, 2006, 04:40:59 pm
FF, of course. I think her vote against the Iraq War will really help her.
25810  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Which Democrats would be the best nominee? on: November 30, 2006, 04:38:17 pm

Warner: Eh.



Only an 'eh" for Warner? If he were put at the bottom the ticket, say under Al Gore, he could tip Virginia into the Democratic column and also have some appeal to moderate/independent voters. He would make a kickass presidential nominee also, but apparently, he's not interested in that.

Warner was looking better before he said anything about foreign policy. Honestly, your average DailyKoser probably knows more about foreign policy than him.
25811  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: If you were a Congressmen/Senator (with hindsight today), how would you vote on: November 30, 2006, 12:41:28 am
1. 1909: Ratify 16th Amendment (income tax)   YES
2. 1917: Ratify 18th Amendment (Prohibition)  NO
3. 1917: Declare war on Germany (WWI)  NO
4. 1920: Ratify Treaty of Versailles   YES
5. 1935: Social Secuirty Act  YES
6. 1940: Lend-lease Program  YES
7. 1941: Declare war on Germany/Japan (WWII)  YES
8. 1947: Taft-Hartly Act  NO
9. 1950: Delcare War on Korea  NO
10. 1954: Censure Joe McCarthy  YES
11. 1964: Gulf of Tonkin Resolution  NO
12. 1964: Civil Right Act  YES
13. 1965: Voting Rights Act  YES
14. 1972: Equal Right Amendment  YES
15. 1973: War Powers Act  YES
16. 1977: Panama Canal Treaty  YES
17. 1979: Estbalish relations with China  UNSURE
18. 1981: Reagan Tax Cut  NO
19. 1987: Robert Bork's nomination to Supreme Court  NO
20. 1991: Force against Iraq (Operation Desert Storm)  NO
21. 1993: NAFTA  NO
22. 1993: Brady Bill  UNSURE
23. 1996: Welfare Reform  NO
24. 1996: Line Item Veto  NO
25. 1998-99:Impeachment/conviction of Bill Clinton  NO
26. 2001: Bush Tax Cut  NO
27. 2001: Force against Afghanistan  YES
28. 2003: Force against Iraq  NO
29. 2005: John Roberts' nomination  NO
30. 2006: Samuel Alito's nomination  NO
31. 2006: Stem Cell Research Bill  YES
25812  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Pelosi skips Hastings for Intelligence Chair on: November 29, 2006, 10:33:22 pm
Good news.
25813  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Bush acting stupid again/Jim Webb = Awesome on: November 29, 2006, 08:10:34 pm
Honestly, Webb should have beaten the sh**t out of Bush. Bush sent Webb's son off to risk his life in some utterly pointless war. Bush is complete human trash.
25814  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Bush acting stupid again/Jim Webb = Awesome on: November 29, 2006, 08:08:07 pm
Is it too much to ask to at least be civil exchanging pleasantries with the President of the United States? 

With this President, yes.
25815  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Wes Clark wants to avoid '04 mistakes in '08 on: November 29, 2006, 07:00:08 pm
Clark is someone I might vote for in the primary.
25816  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Lou Dobbs/Aaron Russo on: November 29, 2006, 06:49:42 pm
[quote author=WalterMitty link=topic=49652.msg1058985#msg1058985

I could ask what kind of person would support Bloomberg?

i guess my next question would be...what kind of person would have a screen name 'loudobbs08'

im sorry.  i still find it hard to believe that there are actually people in america who buy into the nonsense dobbs advocates.
[/quote]

I could ask what sort of person does confusing quotes when they reply to a message?
25817  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Senators Who You Love and Sentors You to Love to Hate on: November 29, 2006, 06:33:44 pm
Do you still like Webb now, Don?

Quote
Class Struggle
American workers have a chance to be heard.

BY JIM WEBB
Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:01 a.m. EST

The most important--and unfortunately the least debated--issue in politics today is our society's steady drift toward a class-based system, the likes of which we have not seen since the 19th century. America's top tier has grown infinitely richer and more removed over the past 25 years. It is not unfair to say that they are literally living in a different country. Few among them send their children to public schools; fewer still send their loved ones to fight our wars. They own most of our stocks, making the stock market an unreliable indicator of the economic health of working people. The top 1% now takes in an astounding 16% of national income, up from 8% in 1980. The tax codes protect them, just as they protect corporate America, through a vast system of loopholes.

Incestuous corporate boards regularly approve compensation packages for chief executives and others that are out of logic's range. As this newspaper has reported, the average CEO of a sizeable corporation makes more than $10 million a year, while the minimum wage for workers amounts to about $10,000 a year, and has not been raised in nearly a decade. When I graduated from college in the 1960s, the average CEO made 20 times what the average worker made. Today, that CEO makes 400 times as much.

In the age of globalization and outsourcing, and with a vast underground labor pool from illegal immigration, the average American worker is seeing a different life and a troubling future. Trickle-down economics didn't happen. Despite the vaunted all-time highs of the stock market, wages and salaries are at all-time lows as a percentage of the national wealth. At the same time, medical costs have risen 73% in the last six years alone. Half of that increase comes from wage-earners' pockets rather than from insurance, and 47 million Americans have no medical insurance at all.

Manufacturing jobs are disappearing. Many earned pension programs have collapsed in the wake of corporate "reorganization." And workers' ability to negotiate their futures has been eviscerated by the twin threats of modern corporate America: If they complain too loudly, their jobs might either be outsourced overseas or given to illegal immigrants.

This ever-widening divide is too often ignored or downplayed by its beneficiaries. A sense of entitlement has set in among elites, bordering on hubris. When I raised this issue with corporate leaders during the recent political campaign, I was met repeatedly with denials, and, from some, an overt lack of concern for those who are falling behind. A troubling arrogance is in the air among the nation's most fortunate. Some shrug off large-scale economic and social dislocations as the inevitable byproducts of the "rough road of capitalism." Others claim that it's the fault of the worker or the public education system, that the average American is simply not up to the international challenge, that our education system fails us, or that our workers have become spoiled by old notions of corporate paternalism.

Still others have gone so far as to argue that these divisions are the natural results of a competitive society. Furthermore, an unspoken insinuation seems to be inundating our national debate: Certain immigrant groups have the "right genetics" and thus are natural entrants to the "overclass," while others, as well as those who come from stock that has been here for 200 years and have not made it to the top, simply don't possess the necessary attributes.

Most Americans reject such notions. But the true challenge is for everyone to understand that the current economic divisions in society are harmful to our future. It should be the first order of business for the new Congress to begin addressing these divisions, and to work to bring true fairness back to economic life. Workers already understand this, as they see stagnant wages and disappearing jobs.

America's elites need to understand this reality in terms of their own self-interest. A recent survey in the Economist warned that globalization was affecting the U.S. differently than other "First World" nations, and that white-collar jobs were in as much danger as the blue-collar positions which have thus far been ravaged by outsourcing and illegal immigration. That survey then warned that "unless a solution is found to sluggish real wages and rising inequality, there is a serious risk of a protectionist backlash" in America that would take us away from what they view to be the "biggest economic stimulus in world history."

More troubling is this: If it remains unchecked, this bifurcation of opportunities and advantages along class lines has the potential to bring a period of political unrest. Up to now, most American workers have simply been worried about their job prospects. Once they understand that there are (and were) clear alternatives to the policies that have dislocated careers and altered futures, they will demand more accountability from the leaders who have failed to protect their interests. The "Wal-Marting" of cheap consumer products brought in from places like China, and the easy money from low-interest home mortgage refinancing, have softened the blows in recent years. But the balance point is tipping in both cases, away from the consumer and away from our national interest.

The politics of the Karl Rove era were designed to distract and divide the very people who would ordinarily be rebelling against the deterioration of their way of life. Working Americans have been repeatedly seduced at the polls by emotional issues such as the predictable mantra of "God, guns, gays, abortion and the flag" while their way of life shifted ineluctably beneath their feet. But this election cycle showed an electorate that intends to hold government leaders accountable for allowing every American a fair opportunity to succeed.

With this new Congress, and heading into an important presidential election in 2008, American workers have a chance to be heard in ways that have eluded them for more than a decade. Nothing is more important for the health of our society than to grant them the validity of their concerns. And our government leaders have no greater duty than to confront the growing unfairness in this age of globalization.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009246
25818  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Senators Who You Love and Sentors You to Love to Hate on: November 29, 2006, 06:28:44 pm

As long as Bob Dole, George HW Bush, John McCain, and Duke Cunningham are shut out in the liberal mind, then I suppose so.

Duke Cunningham? LOL!

He has disgraced himself, but he is still a hero.

No, the other 3 are disgraces, Duke Cunningham is a criminal.
25819  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: 1982 MS senate race revisted on: November 29, 2006, 06:28:01 pm

As someone pointed out in the Lautenberg thread, Lautenberg did defeat Millicent Fenwick (in 1982, in fact) partially on account of her advanced age.

Open seat
25820  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Senators Who You Love and Sentors You to Love to Hate on: November 29, 2006, 06:20:50 pm

As long as Bob Dole, George HW Bush, John McCain, and Duke Cunningham are shut out in the liberal mind, then I suppose so.

Duke Cunningham? LOL!
25821  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Gingrich, in New Hampshire, calls Iraq war a "failure" on: November 29, 2006, 06:14:56 pm
Newt is a little slow to pick up on this one. Newt is still a bastard for saying that free speech should be curtailed to fight terrorism.
25822  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Giuliani married his cousin? on: November 29, 2006, 06:12:25 pm
in case youve intolerant democrats have forgotten, fdr married his cousin (she even had the same last name!)

Everyone is some sort of cousin. Eleanor's uncle Teddy was 5th cousins with Franklin, so they were 5th cousins once removed. Franklin had 1/64 of his genetic material from Nicholas Roosevelt, while Eleanor had 1/128 of hers from him, therefore 1/8192 overlap. Big fricken deal.
25823  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Which Democrats would be the best nominee? on: November 29, 2006, 06:07:29 pm
Ranked by current Tradesports numbers:
Clinton 56.3
Obama 15.6
Edwards 8.9
Gore 8.0
Bayh 2.6
Vilsack 2.1
Kerry 1.7
Richardson 1.4
Biden 1.3
Clark 1.0
Warner 0.9
Dodd 0.7
25824  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Social Security debate 2006... on: November 28, 2006, 09:56:53 pm
Intersting FDR quote from 1934...

"We must not allow this type of [social]insurance to become a dole through the mingling of insurance and relief. It is not charity. It must be financed by contributions, not taxes."

Yeah, FDR was a moderate for his first 2 years, until he got stabbed in the back by the conservatives, and he realized that being more liberal is more useful.
25825  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: The Presidency or Congress on: November 28, 2006, 09:55:43 pm
The Republicans are batsh**t crazy, so I'd really rather they have no branches of government. Of course they'll probably have the Supreme Court for a while.
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