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25801  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Most and least moral posters on: August 21, 2005, 10:21:03 pm
And it's important to remind folks that just because you've been convicted three times of DWI and you don't support welfare and workers unions and your oil-drilling company gets a no-bid sweetheart deal from the your best friend's son, now president, doesn't make you anti-morality. 

Has Cheney really been convicted 3 times of DWI?  I guess he doesn't have to worry about that now that he has a government chauffeur. Smiley

I wonder why this was never publicized the way Bush's DWI was publicized.

BTW, haven't you mentioned that you've been busted for DWI more than once?  Isn't there a little bit of the pot calling the kettle black here? Smiley

It was twice, you mindless Cheney bashers. Smiley

Seriously now, the Bush one got more attention because
1. He was 30
2. He was at the top of the ticket
3. He had tried to cover it up
4. Cheney's were DUIs, which might be slightly less serious

On the other hand, Cheney managed to get busted in Wyoming in 1960. That takes skills.
25802  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: phknrocket1k's personal thread for posting long articles about Iraq on: August 21, 2005, 10:12:57 pm
I can't wait to hear the Bush apoligists defend this.
25803  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Most and least moral posters on: August 21, 2005, 10:05:32 pm
OKCupid says that I'm both more moral and less spiritual than most people.
25804  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: San Francisco Democrats go nuts again on: August 21, 2005, 10:02:24 pm
Hahaha, no. You can't admit that the far-left "representatives" on that council simply despise our military traditions as a nation. Hopefully, when war with China comes, they have a reason to make San Francisco a target.

Dude, one of Gore's and Kerry's best counties already had close to 3000 people die in it. STFU.
25805  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Vocabularies of forum-goers on: August 21, 2005, 09:59:56 pm
I should up my rate of "typeos" to increase my word count.
25806  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: San Francisco Democrats go nuts again on: August 21, 2005, 09:48:57 pm
So San Francisco doesn't like the right-wingers at the Pentagon. Why is everyone acting ourraged?
25807  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: If you were to write tax policy... on: August 21, 2005, 01:17:18 pm
In terms of money going from blue states to red states, there are two major things being overlooked.

1. Pork barrel spending by Republicans - The average Republican district has something around $1 billion more in spending than the average Democratic district.

2. Cost of living, the diferences are worse than they sound, since the cost of living is so much higher in blue areas like San Francisco, Manhatten, or Boston, then red areas like WV, ND, and NE.
25808  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Will Democrats ever be happy? on: August 21, 2005, 01:12:44 pm
The war was based upon lies from the beginning, and is only one of many major scandals. I won't be happy until this government isn't 100% controlled by right-wing crooks.
25809  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: a william weld scenario on: August 21, 2005, 01:34:07 am
Weld is down 44 points. That seems to be quite a problem for this scenario.
25810  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: New SurveyUSA Senator Rankings on: August 20, 2005, 07:44:55 pm
I like those Santorum and DeWine numbers.  Nice to see Kent Conrad and Byron Dorgan doing well.

Santorum's ratings seem to have collapsed in Western PA. Any reason for this?

Cyberschool scandal!

Could you explain that?

Here, brought to you by the magic that is Wikipedia:

In November 2004, a controversy erupted over education costs for the Senator's children. Santorum's legal address is in Penn Hills, Pennsylvania, a suburb of Pittsburgh, but he lives most of the year at his home in Leesburg, Virginia near Washington, DC. Santorum's five older children received education through the Western Pennsylvania Cyber Charter School with 80% of tuition costs paid by the Penn Hills School District.

At a meeting in November 2004, the Penn Hills School District announced that it did not believe Santorum met the qualifications for residency status since he and his family spend most of the year in Virginia. They demanded repayment of tuition costs totaling $100,000.

Supporters of the Senator claim that the controversy is politically motivated as the school board is controlled by Democrats and Erin Vecchio, the school board member who first publicly raised the issue, is the chair of the local Democratic Party. They also claim that since Santorum votes in Penn Hills and pays property and school taxes there, he is entitled to the same privileges as any other Penn Hills resident.

After the controversy erupted, Santorum said he would make other arrangements for his children's education, but insists he does not owe the school board any back tuition. In early 2005, both sides agreed to work out a settlement outside the court system. A state appointed hearing officer set a deadline of May 9, 2005 for the parties to submit information relating to the case.

On July 8, 2005, a Pennsylvania state hearing officer ruled that the Penn Hills School District had not filed objections to Santorum's residency in a timely manner and dismissed the complaint, even though the district did follow the guidelines set by the hearing officer in May. Santorum hailed the ruling as a victory against what he termed "baseless and politically motivated charges." He told reporters, "No one's children -- and especially not small, school-age children -- should be used as pawns in the 'politics of personal destruction'."
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Santorum supporters will tell you that this was a cheap ploy by Democrats to make him look bad.

No, I'll tell you that, on the surface, it is a quite understanable mistake that the Democrats have blown up into being a "huge scandal".  Esspecially since Santorum paid the money back, in full, without major complaint.  Of course, this does nto mention that, regardless of his residence, he pays taxes for the school district.

Also, Democrats tried to take advantage of this by using another not-well-thought-out slogan "The third Senator from Vriginia".  Of course, this ignores that almost every Senator and Rep. lives in either Virginia or Maryland.

That's the first I'd heard that Senator Rick Santorum R-Virginia had paid back the money he took from Pennsylvania.
25811  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Senator Joe Scarborough? on: August 20, 2005, 07:42:25 pm
He'd probably be a strong candidate had one of his interns not turned up dead in his office.

Edit:  Now that I think about it... He'd probably be a strong candidate regardless. He's smart, charismaitc, great name ID, and he has legislative experience.

Scandals only seem to matter if you're a Democrat.
25812  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Is your populism/libertarianism laced with conservatism or liberalism? on: August 20, 2005, 07:34:30 pm
The libertarian leaning liberal option.
25813  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Should teaching science in schools be banned in favor of religion? on: August 20, 2005, 07:32:31 pm
ID's main problem is that it's not a scientific theory and has no experimental evidence, and instead is just a way to try to attack evolution without sounding like the crazy fundamentalist creationist that you are.

ID's 2nd largest problem is, OK, let's ignore all of the evidence that shows that evolution can incrementally evolve complicated things, and instead buy into this bogus irreducible complexity, which they claim requires an intelligent creator. My only question here is, who created the intelligent creator?
25814  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Democrats: Draft Joe Hoeffel or not? on: August 20, 2005, 07:28:11 pm
Flyers.... What are you thinking?

Right now our focus should be booting Santorum out of office. I don't care who our candidate is as long as he's not a whack...

Casey is our best chance at picking this seat up so why run someone who won't have half as much of a chance at winning.

Sorry Mr. Blue Dog, I do care about who it is!

Casey has the spine to attack Santorum on the Iraq war.
25815  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Libertarian Republicans on: August 20, 2005, 06:34:07 pm
I think it is a very safe bet for the GOP to ignore 'libertarian Republicans' as they are a very tiny part of the electorate, and do no contribute significantly to Republican victories.

I'm waiting for Bullmoose to point out that he thinks he knows one other person like him who hasn't left the party yet.
25816  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Democrats: Draft Joe Hoeffel or not? on: August 20, 2005, 06:27:19 pm
I support Casey. He's leading in the polls, and he seems to have some spine.

Quote
"Casey called Santorum "plainly inconsistent," saying his support for Bush's Iraq policy should not prevent him from demanding an exit strategy. Gen. Wesley K. Clark, a Democrat who commanded NATO forces during the Kosovo war, said in an interview yesterday that Santorum's criticisms are "precisely, to the nth power, what has been wrong with the Iraq strategy... . So when he doesn't apply the same standards, it makes you believe his criticism was purely partisan in nature."

In the Inquirer article, Stephen Medvic of Franklin and Marshall College dismisses Casey's criticism saying that "[p]eople know parties have to play politics."

Today must be spine day for the Democratic party. The mayor of Salt Lake City, Utah called for an anti-Bush protest.
25817  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: PC scores for parties and organizations on: August 20, 2005, 06:17:36 pm
1. E: -4, S: -3
2. E: 2.5, S:5
3. E: 5, S:-6
4. E:-5, S:-7
5. E:-2, S:-7
6. E:-2, S:-6
7. E:3, S:8
8. E:3, S:9
9. E:4, S:9.5
10. E:-9, S:-5
11. E:-6, S:-3
12. E:1.5, S:-1




25818  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Was Bush justified in making John Bolton a recess appointment? on: August 20, 2005, 05:17:14 pm
In our system the majority of the Senators, along with the President, make this determination.  Isn't that really what happened.

J. J.

Bolton probably would have failed an up or down vote.
25819  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Guaranteed pickup of governorships for Democrats? on: August 20, 2005, 04:52:56 pm
NY and CA loook pretty good. Arnold has a 61% disapproval rating. That can't be good for his re-election.
25820  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Former aide: Powell WMD speech 'lowest point in my life' on: August 20, 2005, 04:51:30 pm
There was no intelligence failure, the right-wingers were doing everything they could to get their war on, facts be damned.
25821  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Should employers be allowed to hire illegal immigrants to lower inflation ra on: August 20, 2005, 03:49:57 pm
NO.  More illegals in this country is the last thing we need. 

Guest worker programs are great.  Just ask Germany, where there are nearly as many Turks and North Africans as there are Germans.

Bush's guest worker program is just a method for big business to get semi-slave labor.
25822  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Should teaching science in schools be banned in favor of religion? on: August 19, 2005, 11:43:02 pm
Neither is theoretical physics and areas of astronomy, to name two fields of science.

Bullsh**t, the physical laws have massive experimental evidence.

Overall, bullsh*t. Yes, there is evidence for GRAVITY and things like that, but scientific inquiry into the origins of the universe are all speculative. Your experimental evidence is mathematics equations that explain how things *could have* happened.

There are certain fundamental laws that have held up to rigorous experimental testing (the only question is what happens at very high energies like 1 nanosecond after big bang). You use the math for calculations assuming these laws. You clearly have no understanding of theoretical physics.

And the laws and the math change frequently with a lot of discussion and disagreement, that's what I'm telling you. Stephen Hawking has gone on and on and on about this - this stuff doesn't mean there wasn't a creator, it just might give some indications as to when the creator did what he did. And you can't test what happens one nanosecond after the big bang, to use your example. This is a bit of a red herring, Fern.

There aren't many disagreements in most areas of physics.
25823  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Should the Tennessee Valley Authority be sold? on: August 19, 2005, 11:05:09 pm
NO!

Thank you for the low-cost power Smiley

Socialist
25824  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Should thier be a litmus test to join the political parties? on: August 19, 2005, 10:36:28 pm
something sometimes I wish my party would abolish.

Exactly. Only when you admit Stalinists will your party become mainstream. Wink
25825  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Is CARLHAYDEN a Democrat? on: August 19, 2005, 08:21:52 pm

Hah...many R's on this board question my Republican credentials...so its probably unfair to have my comments represent the "party" as a whole.

His ideology aside, I wouldn't mind Hayden joining our big tent...I generally don't let ideology get in the way of intelligence/level headedness

There's a certain middle political ground where a person could fit into either party. I'm a bit to the right of that territory, but I could maybe have fit into the Democratic party a few decades ago. In fact, my entire family was Democratic until 1-2 generations ago.

I actually like to talk to people who are thoughful about issues and can deal with one issue at a time without excessive ideological rigidity. I even get aggravated by Republicans who are excessive ideologically rigid, to the point where they can't judge facts outside the boundaries of ideology.

The Democratic party is the big tent party. Zell Miller had an ACU rating of 96 last year.

If you don't consider CarlHayden a Democrat, I doubt you consider Zell Miller one.

Obviously they're both in the wrong party. Hell, even Allen had only a 92.
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