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25801  General Discussion / History / Re: Presidential Survivor (ROUND 35) on: May 29, 2005, 12:09:06 am
Madison
25802  General Discussion / History / Re: Presidential Survivor Discussion Thread - II on: May 28, 2005, 11:13:28 pm
Damn Cleveland got immunuity. We have to wait another round to take him out for the Pullman strikes.

Anyone want to take out Jefferson or Madison this round?
25803  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: 10 Best People to be President on: May 28, 2005, 10:50:46 pm
Ronald Reagan
Jimmy Carter

Interesting combo.
25804  General Discussion / History / Re: Did the South really secede in 1860-61? on: May 28, 2005, 10:05:41 pm
So which is it? Or is it the third option: The Republicans were a bunch of lawless sludge cakes who only considered them states when it was of advantage to them.

"were"?
25805  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Which country is/was more free? on: May 28, 2005, 10:01:00 pm
South Africa. I'm not quite sure how South Africa wasn't a very free country.

Racist
25806  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: You have to own at least 1/5 of an acre of land to vote on: May 28, 2005, 09:47:42 pm
Rhode Island and Maine would go Dem as well. I wonder how many voters would even be allowed in NY. I can't even pretend know how much land a fifth of an acre is. Is that the size of a football field or thereabouts?

Much smaller
25807  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Should depleted uranium be considered a weapon of mass destruction? on: May 28, 2005, 09:45:30 pm
WMD discovered in the hands of terrorists!

Oh, they're a right-wing married white Texas couple so it's ok.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Southwest/01/30/cyanide.probe.ap/
25808  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Which situation is preferable? (true story) on: May 28, 2005, 09:43:50 pm
Can you make this poll more biased?
25809  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: You have to own at least 1/5 of an acre of land to vote on: May 28, 2005, 09:41:31 pm
Since no U.S. major city would be allowed to cast a ballot, farmers and suburbs cause a major GOP victory.

D.C. would not be able to cast a single ballot, Vermont does not have any major cities and their farmers are pretty Democratic, and nearly all the Republicans in Hawaii live in Honolulu so the city loss would actually hurt us there:



The Republican shading is way too dark and Massachusetts would go Democrat. Someone in DC probably owns a 1/5th of an acre.
25810  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Liberals: Should parents be prohibited from teaching their kids the Bible? on: May 28, 2005, 09:40:11 pm
Most liberals are Christians if you look at the stats. Since about 86% of America is Christian
Bull.

86% of Kerry voters are religious, 72% are Christian.

http://election.cbsnews.com/election2004/poll/poll_p____u_s__all_us0.shtml

I think what Richius was getting at is that although some folks may CALL themselves Christian (even 72%) it's a relatively small percentage of them that even go to Church, let one bothering to pray, attempt to live a Christian lifestyle).

33% of Kerry voters and 50% of Bush voters attend church at least once a week.
81% of Kerry voters and 90% of Bush voters attend church at least a few times a year.
25811  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Liberals: Should parents be prohibited from teaching their kids the Bible? on: May 28, 2005, 09:35:35 pm
Most liberals are Christians if you look at the stats. Since about 86% of America is Christian
Bull.

86% of Kerry voters are religious, 72% are Christian.

http://election.cbsnews.com/election2004/poll/poll_p____u_s__all_us0.shtml
25812  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: my sig on: May 28, 2005, 09:25:51 pm
Similar maps





http://www.princeton.edu/~rvdb/JAVA/election2004/
25813  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Most biased political compass questions on: May 28, 2005, 09:21:43 pm
I think the astrology question doesn't fit as either conservative or liberal. When was the last time you met a conservative Christian who's into astrology?

Bad question, I tend to stay away from those people.
25814  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Atlas Survivor- Round XXXVI on: May 28, 2005, 09:20:57 pm
Wildcard
25815  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Most biased political compass questions on: May 28, 2005, 09:18:38 pm


That makes sense, as it is sort of like religion, as in it deals with the unknown or whatever. Usually, the more likely you are to blindly follow a religion the more likely you are to being authoritarian on the axis. It's kinda weird, because as you said there are liberal-wing nuts who are into astrology. Dont know...

Most of the liberals I know are not into astrology. Maybe it's really more of a socially conservative thing.
25816  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Atlas Liberals -Categorize Yourselves! on: May 28, 2005, 06:37:24 pm
As usual the right is mindlessly bashing the left.

Er, I wouldn't exactly call Frodo a hardcore rightist.

DanielX was making some stupid comments.

I've only seen one post by him so far, and I don't understand what therein you are objecting to...

I object to people who support the crazy right-wing VAT which will  be something around 60%-70% (the 23% figure has been seriously debunked) calling me a nutjob. Does relying on the facts and not debunked studies make me a nutjob?
25817  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Atlas Liberals -Categorize Yourselves! on: May 28, 2005, 06:31:07 pm
As usual the right is mindlessly bashing the left.

Er, I wouldn't exactly call Frodo a hardcore rightist.

DanielX was making some stupid comments.
25818  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Atlas Liberals -Categorize Yourselves! on: May 28, 2005, 06:27:05 pm
Option 2, but I'm more pragmatic than the description says. As usual the right is mindlessly bashing the left.
25819  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: European constitution: the French referendum Polls thread (last polls) on: May 28, 2005, 06:22:15 pm
It's looking doomed, unless someone runs a last minute ad saying "George W. Bush endorses the non option".
25820  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Which budget deficit is worse? on: May 28, 2005, 06:04:50 pm
I detest brain dead idiots who can't follow a very simple point.

National debt is divided into public debt and government debt. The graph says government debt. That's a fact, not an opinion. Go get a clue.

Umm, those $7.7 trillion figures you see (which is around 70% of the GDP) are all government debt. There's additional private debt in the forms of mortgages and credit card debt. You are the confused one, go get a brain.
25821  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: THE BEST REPRESENTATIVE (Round one, bracket seven) on: May 28, 2005, 06:01:08 pm
1. Maxine Waters (D-CA)
2. Bob Filner (D-CA)
3. Doris Matsui (D-CA)
4. Grace Napolitano (D-CA)
5. George Miller (D-CA)
6. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA)
7. Barbara Lee (D-CA)
8. Susan Davis (D-CA)
9. Brad Sherman (D-CA)
10. Howard Berman (D-CA)
11. Fortney Pete Stark (D-CA)
12. Henry Waxman (D-CA)
13. Loretta Sanchez (D-CA)
14. Hilda Solis (D-CA)
15. Diane Watson (D-CA)
16. Ed Case (D-HI)
25822  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Rangel Pushing for Draft Again on: May 28, 2005, 05:44:43 pm
Even if a draft were to happen I'm basically already out of rangel. They count your age as what you turn in that calendar year, and since my birthday is very late in the year that means I'm considered 22 by that standard. And since it'd be basically impossible to get a draft running up in this year anyway, I'd be 23 by the time it could be reinstated at the earliest. Very unlikely a draft would ever reach that age. But it's a moot point since the draft won't be reinstated anyway, and this bill will have zero effect on anything like the last one, no political effect, did not pass, nothing.

I heard they were going to draft starting at age 20, going up to 25, and only then going back to 18 and 19.
25823  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Which budget deficit is worse? on: May 28, 2005, 05:01:54 pm


Publically held debt is far over 29.6%, yes. Government debt is not.

Do you mean money that the government owes itself? Why would you care only about that? WTF?

I detect desperate spinning to try save a graph that has been busted as wrong.
25824  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Which budget deficit is worse? on: May 28, 2005, 04:52:39 pm
What is hard to understand about that?

Your sentence is lacking an article of comparison.
25825  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Alcon's 2005/2006 Election Projection Thread - Governors on: May 28, 2005, 04:51:47 pm
Quote
California
Outlook: Lean Republican
Incumbnent moderate Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger is not as popular as he used to be. He's now 16 points in the hole on approval ratings, and even Golden State Republicans admit that his term has been short of stellar. But in a state with over seven million registered Democrats, the People's Party seems unable to find a decent nominee.

State Treasurer Phil Angelides is Schwarzenegger's polar opposite, but could galvanize the electorate. Uncharismatic and experienced, Angelides could easily provide another opportunity for Schwarzenegger to "terminate" the political establishment. On the other hand, State Controller and eBay executive Steve Westly is more of an outsider. However, the Democratic Party walks a line here: how can they avoid looking like the same old in contrast to Schwarzenegger's populist flare while at the same time capitalizing on Schwarzenegger's relative lack of political experience? That's not an easy question to answer, and the one that keeps this race a GOP advantage.


Easy, point out that he's an economic right-winger who takes lots of money from corrupt companies, and recites dumb one liners, and makes stupid comments like those in support of the border vigilanetes.

I doubt that's really sufficient to get someone elected. The people of California pretty much already knew they were electing someone who makes stupid comments. The two comments you said are pretty much standard Democratic complaints, so I doubt they will work all that great. People seem less bothered with Schwarzenegger's political leans than they do with the fact he is Schwarzenegger - which is exactly, weirdly, what got him elected.

Some people believed him when he ran as not being a politician in the recall election. That's not going to work in 2006. A lot of people are pissed at him doing stupid things like digging potholes to fill in for photo ops.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/05/27/MNG9UCVOCH1.DTL


Ummm, Kerry won by 10 points (which is worse than Gore and Clinton did), and Boxer won by 20 points, so it's not like the Democratic nominee needs any votes from people who never vote Democrat.

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