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25801  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: What are the most important credentials for a presidential candidate? on: June 05, 2005, 05:43:45 pm


I hate to say this, but I want a president who is capable of running the country.  I truly believe that an evil president is better than inept one.

So you'd vote Stalin over Carter? Not that Carter was inept, but people seem to think he was.
25802  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: What it would take for me to vote Democrat on: June 05, 2005, 05:34:58 pm


Was it 96?  I thought it was 80.  Anyway, he's just a hair left of Rick Santorum in that respect, so no he is not a Democrat.  He had a change of heart.  This however hurt us in 2004, because it gave conservative Dems with doubts about Kerry the green light to vote for Bush.

His 2004 rating was a 96. Hell, wingnuts like Allen and Frist had only a 92.
25803  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: What it would take for me to vote Democrat on: June 05, 2005, 05:18:17 pm

No, no.  The Democrats were not always America haters.  I, for example, like Zell Miller, but Democrats tend to demonize him.  Bad idea.  His kind will actually save the Democratic Party, if they have the neurons to realize it.  If you want a socialist part, go create it yourself.  The Democrats weren't always like that.

Hint: people with a 96 rating from the ACU are NOT Democrats.
25804  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: What it would take for me to vote Democrat on: June 05, 2005, 05:17:17 pm
(apart from citizenship)

I vote economically.  I'm sure many Americans do too.  While social issues do concern me, I do consider the economy more important.

1) Minimum wage - I know Democrats like raising it to ridiculous levels.  I'd prefer it to be $0, but that isn't likely to happen from Democrats.  However, if Democrats stop attempting to raise it for a while, I might consider it an acceptable compromise and won't hold that against them.

It HASN'T been raised for a while. It's lowest it's been in real dollars for decades. It's been more like $8 an hour (in today's dollars) before, and guess what, a lot of jobs were created.

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2) Federal government power and size - Directly oppose Republicans from expanding the federal government's size, influence, and budget.  This would be a big, BIG mark in your favor.
The Republicans under the Bush adminstration increased discretionary spending at the fastest rate in about 40 years. You're a fool if you believe the Republicans when they say they're against big government.

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3) Taxes - Lower taxes.  If you want to keep it the same for those ultra rich, fine.  But for those earning under a $100,000 a year, it can't go low enough.  Take it down.  A promise to not raise taxes is a mark AGAINST you.  It should be lowered.
Those above $200,000 a year need a massive tax hike, since we're running massive deficits. Something tells me you're only talking about federal income taxes. Those are a minority of all taxes paid in this country by individuals.

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4) Businesses - Be friendly to small businesses.  If you have your hangups with big businesses, fine.  I don't like it, but at this point I'll vote for my own interests (small business) over other's.  Lower taxes.  It would be nice if there was no income taxes on small businesses under $250,000.  And no capital gains tax or dividends tax.  I also want my kids to take over my business, so eliminating the death tax would be a big thing for me.
That's garbage. What would be a lot nicer for small businesses is universal health care.

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5) Social issues - Drugs, abortion, gay marriage, etc.  Whatever.

6) The ACLU - Get them under control.  It ticks me off a great deal to see tradition go down the toilet.  Someone uttering the word "God" or "Christmas" is not a criminal, so quit making people feel so.

Tradition? Like what? Slavery? Bans on inter-racial marriage? WTF do you mean by tradition? f**ck tradition.
25805  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Senior/Junior Senators on: June 05, 2005, 04:44:28 pm
For what its worth, before the end of the 108th Congress, Oklahoma would have ranked in the middle with about 32y combined between Nickles (24y) and Inhofe (8y).

Now, Oklahoma is down to a combined 8y10m between Inhofe (8y5m) and Coburn (5m).

Our Senior Senator, Jim Inhofe, is up for re-election in 2008.


SC went from 83.5y to 2y in 2 years.
25806  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Best Chance for GOP on: June 05, 2005, 04:26:50 pm

Yes, that's what I'm saying; they're social conservatives with good records of balancing budgets and keeping spending under control.  Acceptable to both the base and more libertarian minded members such as myself.

If you want balanced budgets, vote Democrat. These borrow and spend Republicans are never going to balance anything.
25807  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Trans-Atlantic Tunnel on: June 05, 2005, 04:09:07 pm
The fastest train in the world is currently the Shanghai Maglev, which peaks at 310 MPH.
25808  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Liberal paper publishes favorable article on George Galloway on: June 05, 2005, 03:00:35 am
Most people at DU are fairly reasonable. Note that this statement is compatable with the statement "some people at DU are completely batsh**t crazy". That being said, DailyKos seems to have more reasonable people that DU. I think they have a better sense of framing issues so that people besides the left will agree.

Anyways, I haven't really been on DU that much. I can't find a thread on Galloway. The people I've interacted with have been fairly reasonable except for the person who got mad at me for pointing out that some exit poll probability was really about 1 in 100 million instead of 1 in a billion or something.

I'm not a subscriber, so I can't search or look up my posts older than 2 days.
25809  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Bush Pushing Global Democratic Revolution on: June 05, 2005, 01:25:00 am
Cool site
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/
25810  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Kerry tries to defeat Bush again on: June 05, 2005, 12:20:11 am


Actually I did make a mistake.. he choose not to vote.... he was present... but he did not support the deal he signed on to...

I stand corrected !

Nice to see you still active and your fiesty self Mr. JFern...



No, he was not there. If he had been there, his vote would be listed as "Present" like that of Senator Steven's vote on the actual confirmation vote. "Not voting" means you're not in the Senate chambers when the vote is taken.  He also was not at the "gang of 14" press announcement.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00128
25811  General Discussion / History / 63 years since the US last declared war on: June 04, 2005, 11:07:53 pm
We last declared war on June 5, 1942 against Bulgaria, Hungary, and Romania. Aren't you glad that we're such a peaceful nation?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war_by_the_United_States
25812  General Discussion / History / Re: TEDDY ROOSEVELT WINS PRESIDENTIAL SURVIVOR on: June 04, 2005, 11:03:17 pm
Quick, someone make a Roosevelt Defeats Truman photoshop.
Actually maybe TEDDY DEFEATS TRUMAN would work best.

25813  General Discussion / History / Save Truman! on: June 04, 2005, 10:59:53 pm
Teddy Roosevelt

You still have 8 more seconds, ATFFL. Smiley
25814  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Was this ad appropiate? on: June 04, 2005, 10:57:38 pm
I love it.

It is especially useful when people who are that incredibly g stupid make it so obviosu that they are, in fact, that incredibly g stupid.

Being incredibly ing stupid and acting incredibily ing stupid must have 94% correlation. Wink
25815  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Can someone make a county map for 1920 and/or 1936? on: June 04, 2005, 10:54:46 pm
1920, 1924, 1928, and 1936 have all been updated.

Very nice! I'm looking at the 1920 map and thinking "and people say we're too polarized now?"

Exit polls going back to 1972 show it's by far the most polarized it's been starting with 1972. Too bad we don't have exit polls from the '20s and '30s.
25816  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: America's Best President (Round 1: Bracket 1) on: June 04, 2005, 10:52:51 pm
1. Abraham Lincoln (1861-1865)
2. James Abram Garfield (March-August 1881)
3. Rutherford Birchard Hayes (1877-1881)
4. Ulysses Simpson Grant (1869-1877)
5. Andrew Johnson (1865-1869)
25817  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Politicians and lying on: June 04, 2005, 10:51:30 pm
I have just found out that two of my fathers friends are to lose thier jobs.

Great news!

Typical "compassionate conservative".
25818  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Pro Choice / Pro Life - who is winning the "Culture war" on: June 04, 2005, 10:37:10 pm
The Democrats will eventually win. Younger people are more tolerant. A majority of those under 30 favor gay marriage (no, not civil unions, marriage).

Younger people are always more liberal. It's not that as they grow up they will necessarily stay that way.

It's hard to say. Gay marriage wasn't an issue not long ago. As for abortion plenty of people switched from being against it to solid for it like Ted Kennedy and Al Gore.
25819  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Pro Choice / Pro Life - who is winning the "Culture war" on: June 04, 2005, 10:35:55 pm
I'm under 30 and I am strongly against abortion and less strongly but still significantly against gay marriage.

So? You can find some blacks that voted for Peroutka. It doesn't prove anything.
25820  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: If everyone in Nevada moved to California on: June 04, 2005, 10:34:48 pm
Would there be anything to prevent them from giving the governor semi-dictatoral powers?
25821  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Pro Choice / Pro Life - who is winning the "Culture war" on: June 04, 2005, 10:23:14 pm
The Democrats will eventually win. Younger people are more tolerant. A majority of those under 30 favor gay marriage (no, not civil unions, marriage).
25822  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Kerry tries to defeat Bush again on: June 04, 2005, 10:15:54 pm
I will not  believe it till somebody with unimpeachable journalist credentials starts to play the story.

Well, we can rule out you.

UPDATE:

Daniel Inouye (Hawaii), not that anybody actually believed him, has ALREADY broken his word - despite signing on to the deal to bring the Owen Nomination to the floor, he actually voted to sustain the fillibuster in tonights vote..

Hmmm... breaking a high profile deal in under 24 hours... is that a record...?

BUSTED! He wasn't there, you liar.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00127

It got a lot of coverage from respectable media .... in the UK. Of course it'd be too much to expect a Republican like you to be aware of that.
25823  General Discussion / History / Re: If you could prevent 5 events in your lifetime on: June 04, 2005, 10:06:48 pm

For my last two, probably a pair of Supreme Court decisions since more often than not they end up causing damage to America

Two justices can't possibly cause damage to America. Votes on the SCOTUS are majority votes, quorum is 6, and usually all 9 vote.
25824  General Discussion / History / Re: If you could prevent 5 events in your lifetime on: June 04, 2005, 09:55:24 pm
Domestic:
Prevent 9/11, Bush Presidenticy

Foreign:
Prevent Rwanda Genocide, Congo War, Bosnian Genocide, Sudan Genocide.

Oh, only 5 allowed, strike the Bosnian one.
25825  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Downing Street Memo on: June 04, 2005, 06:41:37 pm
Well, woulndn't there be a little problem since Kerry sent a letter to Clinton about Iraq's WMD's?  Should we impeach most of Congress?  If there is no Congress, how could a president be impeached? :-)

 

That just proves that Kerry is no peacnik. That letter was from 1998 or so, and was based upon bad information that was found to be bad before we invaded Iraq. It's irrevelant to the Downing Street memo, which indicated that Bush started planning to invade Iraq shortly after 9/11, and didn't care about evidence or diplomaacy, he was going to invade no matter what.

Enough of blaming the Democrats for Bush's mistake. That's g pathetic.

I'm not blaming anyone in office for an intelligence failure.  You've just demonstated that there was bad information that was circulating during the Clinton period.

Bad information during the Clinton adminstration that was later found out to be wrong isn't going to save Bush's ass since

1. He didn't care whether the intelligence was right (See Iraq Niger story, that Joe Wilson pointed out was false, and then had the White House commit grand treason by outting his CIA agent wife)
2. He was clearly going to go to war no matter what
3. All of the reasons given for war were crap
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