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25801  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Republicans for Choice decimated on: November 10, 2006, 03:58:35 pm
Compare here:

Republicans for choice: Tiny page, only 6/14 members remain.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republicans_For_Choice

Democrats for life: Much longer page. Many more members, and some in unexpected places (NY, MA, RI).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrats_for_Life

The Democratic party is a moderate party. The Republican party is a batsh**t crazy party.
25802  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Note to American Voters: There is no escape! on: November 10, 2006, 03:55:33 pm
Well, obviously they know that this rhetoric helps out their pal Bush.
25803  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Does George Allen have a chance at John Warner's seat in 2008? on: November 10, 2006, 03:33:48 pm
If John retires, hopefully Mark runs.
25804  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: What's next for... on: November 10, 2006, 03:33:11 pm
Supposedly the RNC has already offered Mehlman's post to Steele. So if he takes it that's pretty well settled.

Does that mean that every campaign will be getting homeless guys from Philadelphia bussed in?
25805  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Breaking News: BBC reports Canada has annexed New Hampshire. on: November 10, 2006, 03:10:07 am
I TOLD you, but you never believed me.



 At least the Green Mountain Boys will destroy the Canadian Army if they ever try to invade Vermont.
25806  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: LA-02 runoff on: November 10, 2006, 02:25:12 am
Carter/Carter. We start cleaning House with our own.
25807  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: 2006 is the Year of the... on: November 10, 2006, 02:23:56 am
Well, it was definitely not the year of the moderate Republican - they basically don't exist any more in Congress.
25808  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Game on on: November 10, 2006, 02:20:30 am
I think the power struggle within the party will indeed be fascinating.

For one thing, many of the Republicans who lost Tuesday were moderates. The overall ideology of the GOP caucus in the House and Senate took a shift to the right, especially in the House.

Which way should the GOP go? To the middle to try to recapture swing voters? Or did they lose because they abandoned their principles and need to move hard right?

Personally I think the exit polling clearly proves it was the loss of swing voters that doomed the GOP. The base turned out just fine in this election, but you got killed with independents. A move to the right would only further marginalize your party and ensure you are completely shut out of the Northeast, Midwest, and West Coast for a generation, just as Dems had been with the South, Great Plains, and Mountain West.

As the Dems showed...gotta go with a 50 state strategy...maybe you don't pour a ton of money into say massachusetts, but you have to field challengers that fit the area, and hope for the best.

I do have to say that Howard Dean was right. I never thought that his "50 state strategy" could actually bring anything close to noticeable results but he has, in his time as leader, brought the Democrats into areas like Indiana, Montana, Missouri, and Kansas even, that had not even been in play before. While the Republicans caused most of their downfall they wouldn't have lost if the Democrats had run leftists everywhere. They recruited candidates that were the opposite of what their opponents accused them of, they recruited Veterans, social conservatives, moderates, people who could display a tough edge that had left the party before.

The Republicans now need to find opposite numbers to the Webbs, Testers, and Harold Ford's of the Democrats. They need people who can turn out independents and they need to conform to the areas that they are running in. You can't run Conservatives in Massachusetts or strong economic conservatives in places like Michigan. If you are looking for a victory the candidate must fit the constituency, or a majority of the constituency. This would lead to a more ideologically diverse GOP, in much the same way as the Democrats will now be more ideologically diverse, but it will keep you in the majority.

You mean try to get liberal votes? Haha, I'll believe it when I see it.

But yeah, this Republican party is dead in a lot of the country. Their only hope is for the national Republican party to be less batsh**t crazy.

Well not liberal votes per say. Moderate ones, especially up in the Northeast, the moderates in the Northeast were hurt by the overall issues of the election and the position of the Republican Party.

But in most areas of the country the Republicans, if they want to win, should become more Populist. They should become less economically right wing and start to woo voters through a mix of economic centrism and social conservativism, which would be a winning, though thoroughly horrible, combination in America. It would mean possibly pissing off groups like the Chambers of Commerce through support of higher minimum wages but it would win seats for the party. As I've always said if a party were to become Populist in America it would completely dominate. Currently its just whoever sounds more populist that wins but if a party actually institutes those ideas it would trounce all opposition.

A lot of populist leaning moderate liberals won on Tuesday. They're in the Democratic party.
25809  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Breaking News: BBC reports Canada has annexed New Hampshire. on: November 10, 2006, 02:17:40 am
Too much into freedom and too Democratic to be part of Bush's America.
25810  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Favorite and least favorite Congressman and Senators of each party? on: November 10, 2006, 02:16:14 am
Leasts: Most of the San Fransisco delegation

That's an odd way to refer to Pelosi and Lantos.
25811  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Chafee unsure of staying with Republican party on: November 09, 2006, 09:27:25 pm
im deeply disappointed in chafee's comments.

Isn't he your hero? Shouldn't you be thinking of leaving the party too?
25812  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Schwarzenagger's Future? on: November 09, 2006, 09:20:37 pm
He actually is considering a run against Boxer in 2010.

Bill Jones lost by 20 points, and he's not a corrupt asshole.
25813  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Futures of losing house candidates on: November 09, 2006, 08:58:07 pm

Yes sir.

If Maffei couldn't beat Walsh in a bad year for Republicans, especially in the NE (when Clinton and Spitzer cleaned up), I don't see when he could beat him.

I will say this, Maffei's campaign wasn't really inspiring and only seemed to turn towards that direction in the last week. Given more time it could have happened.

But the possibility remains we may have reached a minimum on the number of seats for the GOP (under current) lines in Upstate NY...its not really a republican area...more 50-50 or 53-47 republican at best, but that means its gonna be really hard to eliminate every elephant up here.

Losing isn't always that bad. McNerney lost horribly to Pombo 2 years ago in CA-11. As for NY-25, it actually voted for Kerry, so a Presidential year might help the Democrats there.
25814  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Election '06 by the numbers on: November 09, 2006, 08:55:06 pm
New Class 1 Senator split: 24 Democrats (counting 2 Indys), 9 Republicans.


You'd think this would favor the Republicans in 2012, but of course it would all depend on the Presidential race. When was the last time one party held that strong an advantage in a class of Senators?

1964
25815  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Allen Losing. on: November 09, 2006, 08:46:32 pm
I'm feeling even more intensely shocked and depressed today. Why did Allen have to lose? Why!

Because people preferred the the war hero Reagan cabinet member.
25816  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Futures of losing house candidates on: November 09, 2006, 08:44:51 pm
For the western NY districts that went narrowly GOP, I think Massa and Maffei would be good candidate for 2008. As for Davis, he didn't seem to campaign.



Dunno about Maffei...From what Folks have said here in NY 25...he looked like a stuffed suit who pulled out all the stops and still couldn't win...Walsh seems to have a good handle on the district.

And I'm currently in the more democratic area of the district...there was no snow here on tuesday, the weather was just overcast.

I don't know much about Maffei, but a 49-51 loss against someone "safe" who was unopposed 2 years ago doesn't sound too bad to me.

Syracuse?
25817  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Futures of losing house candidates on: November 09, 2006, 08:40:50 pm
For the western NY districts that went narrowly GOP, I think Massa and Maffei would be good candidate for 2008. As for Davis, he didn't seem to campaign.

25818  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Prediction scores on: November 09, 2006, 08:21:36 pm
My mistakes

Too Democratic:
MT was 49.07 Dem not 50s
MA was 69.46 Dems not 70s
WY was 70.07 GOP not 60s

Too Republican:
NM was 70.07 Dems not 60s
DE was 70.20  Dems not 60s

Weird, 70.07% in 2 states.
25819  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: How the NRCC stopped the wave on: November 09, 2006, 08:14:15 pm
How wasn't this a wave? Sure, it would have gone worse for them if they weren't willing to do anything to win.  George Allen tried lying robocalls to intimidate the voters, but those didn't quite save him.

However, the Democrats won more House seats than the Republicans won in 1994.
25820  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Democratic success in Congressional districts won by Kerry on: November 09, 2006, 07:21:15 pm
This is what happens in a "wave" election.

I don't think it was that impressive a showing for the D-trip. Wilson and Shays would have been felled if it had been a "wave.' I agree with Amy Walter that it was more like a tornado. The GOP got flattened in Iowa, Pennsylvania (except Jim "Goner" Gerlach) and New Hampshire. They survived in Ohio largely unscathed despite massive scandal problems.

No, it's a wave. We won more House seats than the Republicans did in 1994.
25821  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Election '06 by the numbers on: November 09, 2006, 07:15:30 pm
Number of Republican Senators who lost in 2006: 6
Number of GOP Senators who lost in 2000: 4
In 2000, there were 6 Democratic pickups, and 2 Republican pickups.
In between 2000 and 2006, MO went Democrat -> Republican, and VT went Republican -> Democrat supporting Indy

New Class 1 Senator split: 24 Democrats (counting 2 Indys), 9 Republicans.
25822  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Chafee unsure of staying with Republican party on: November 09, 2006, 07:06:02 pm
RINO Chafee kills Bolton nomination.

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/
25823  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Democratic success in Congressional districts won by Kerry on: November 09, 2006, 07:00:37 pm
Overall, a terrible election for moderate Republicans. The average Republican in Congress is even crazier than they were before.

Remember that the loon fringe of the GOP suffered losses too. And they still have Snowe, Specter, Smith et al

Some of those weren't up for election this year. Republicans for Choice PAC went from 14 members to 6.
25824  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Which is more desirable? on: November 09, 2006, 06:59:16 pm
Option 2, only reasonable bills are going to be written and make it the President's desk.
25825  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Democratic success in Congressional districts won by Kerry on: November 09, 2006, 06:56:19 pm
Overall, a terrible election for moderate Republicans. The average Republican in Congress is even crazier than they were before.
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