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25801  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Economy surges. on: November 30, 2005, 02:57:19 pm
The S&P 500 is still down under the Bush adminstration.
25802  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / Re: Flyers/jfern vs. Winfield/Jake on: November 30, 2005, 04:32:43 am
Well, this one is pretty obvious.
25803  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Bob Taft hits 6.5% approval rating on: November 30, 2005, 01:56:09 am
Gosh, Ohio sure loves to elect politicians that they hate. Bush isn't exactly popular there either.
25804  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Southern Universities and Confederate Heritage on: November 30, 2005, 01:53:37 am
There aren't very many good universities in the South.
25805  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: California Republican took $2.4 million in bribes to steer defense contracts on: November 30, 2005, 01:49:05 am
What mistake, genius?

Your earlier claim that Democrats are a 'gazillion times better' than Republicans.  This may well be just an opinion, but it's severely skewed.  I was merely helping you to not keep throwing stones from that glass house of yours.

Also, I think Scoonie really needs to be called out for this little gem of idiocy:

There's no evidence of charges against any Democrats taking bribes. Hell, there's no reason to bribe a Democrat since none of them have any power.

... though I doubt he'll respond now that I already proved him wrong.

You claim that the Democratic curroption compares to this Republican corruption? Change your avatar to that of Republican apoligist.
25806  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: California Republican took $2.4 million in bribes to steer defense contracts on: November 29, 2005, 07:33:35 pm
I'm not giving your Republican friends in Congress a free pass either, Don.  Just so you know not to make the same mistake Jfern did. Wink

What mistake, genius?
25807  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: California Republican took $2.4 million in bribes to steer defense contracts on: November 29, 2005, 05:28:21 pm
Oh, and it turns out Rep. Bobby Rush (D-IL) hasn't been paying his mortgage (source).  Clearly a $150,000 salary is just not enough.

This is relevant to what?
25808  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: California Republican took $2.4 million in bribes to steer defense contracts on: November 29, 2005, 05:27:10 pm
Yeah, who cares about all of the Bush, Cheney, DeLay, Frist, Hastert scandals. Some Democrat in North Dakota must have done the same.

I'm not sure about North Dakota, but.....

  • Rep. Mario Biaggi (D-NY) - convicted in 1988 in Wedtech scandal of bribery, extortion, racketeering, filing a false tax return, mail fraud, and false financial disclosure; resigned from U.S. House before he could be expelled.
  • Speaker Jim Wright (D-TX) - forced to resign in 1989 after ethics committee investigation found dozens of violations of House rules, including alleged improper receipt of $145,000 in gifts by Wright's wife from a Fort Worth developer and large profits from "sale" of Wright's speeches.
  • Rep. Michael Myers (D-PA) - expelled from the U.S. House in 1980 following a FBI sting, in which he accepted a $50,000 bribe during the Abscam scandal.
  • Rep. Tony Coelho (D-CA) - resigned from U.S. House in 1989 for unethical finance practices including "junk bond" deal.
  • Rep. Alcee Hastings (D-FL) -  federal district court judge impeached and convicted in 1989 of soliciting a bribe; subsequently elected to U.S. House in 1992, where he still serves.
  • Former Defense Secretary and Washington insider Clark Clifford implicated in BCCI finance scandal in 1991.
  • Delegate Walter Fauntroy (D-DC) - pleaded guilty in 1995 regarding lying on financial disclosure form.
  • Rep. Walter Tucker (D-CA) - resigned from Congress in 1995 due to scandals involving allegations of bribery, and was sentenced to 27 months in prison in 1996 for extortion and tax evasion.
  • Rep. Dan Rostenkowski (D-IL) - indicted on corruption charges in 1994 and was forced to step down from all Congressional leadership positions.  Pleaded guilty to mail fraud in 1996 and sentenced to 17 months in prison.
  • Rep. Jim Traficant (D-OH) - expelled from the U.S. House in 2002 after being convicted of taking bribes, filing false tax returns and racketeering.  Convicted of ten felony counts, and is currently in prison.
  • Sen. Robert Torricelli (D-NJ) - implicated in a bribery and campaign finance scandal.
  • Mayor Marion Barry (D-DC) - caught on videotape using drugs in an FBI sting, imprisoned, then later re-elected.  Not exactly corruption, but pretty funny anyway.
  • Gov. Edwin Edwards (D-LA) - sentenced to 10 years in prison on racketeering charges in 2001.
  • Gov. Jim McGreevey (D-NJ) - involved in several incidences of extortion and corruption surrounding his homosexual affair.

I've left out talking about The Daley Machine in Chicago, Huey Long, the vote-buying culture in West Virginia, and Tammany Hall, simply because those were unreasonably long ago.  Oh, and I didn't even mention the non-sex-related Clinton scandals.

I could go on if you like......

You had to go back to the '80s? LOL. A lot of those "Democrats" are pretty conservative, like Traficant.
25809  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Chavez to provide cheap oil to poor Americans on: November 29, 2005, 06:46:41 am
Chavez is a horrible person.

But he's absolutely brilliant.

Because most people don't know that oil is useless unless refined.  Giving oil to poor people does them no good at all, because they'd need corporations to refine it.

Not to mention his idea is so illogical and self serving we'd never accept it, so he can make promises without ever having to bear the consequences of living up to them.

I think you overlooked that Citgo is a corporation, and can refine the oil before it gives it away. Did Chavez claim that this would change the world energy markets? No. But it'll certainly help some poor people.
25810  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Log Cabin Republicans on: November 29, 2005, 06:38:41 am
Misguided.  Its like a black person trying to join the Democratic Party in Alabama in 1900.

Maybe it was.  As early as 1935, black democrats were being elected to Congress - still well within the era of the dixiecrat influence.

The influence of the "Religious Right" will wane and things will change yet again.  Maybe someday 90% of gays will vote Republican Tongue

Blacks liked FDR, who was not a dixiecrat.
25811  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Mark Warner Rejects Timeline for Withdrawal from Iraq on: November 29, 2005, 06:33:26 am
You have this really stupid habit of using a poll that shows something much more mild in order to demonstrate that the American people believe something entirely different.

Where's the last "Bush is a terrorist" poll?

Face it, the "moderates" are starting feel the same about Bush as the liberals did 3 years ago. Of course the liberals don't feel the same now as the liberals did 3 years ago.
25812  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Mark Warner Rejects Timeline for Withdrawal from Iraq on: November 29, 2005, 06:29:23 am
You are an absolute joke if you think most Americans agree with that opinion.

OK, let's humor you.

Latest Bush disapproval on Iraq: 63%
Latest was not worth going to war: 60%
Latest bring troops home in next year: 63%

http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm
25813  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Mark Warner Rejects Timeline for Withdrawal from Iraq on: November 29, 2005, 06:01:04 am
We will not support anyone who calls Iraq anything other that what it is, a war started for no good reason by a terrorist warmonger.

I sincerely hope, in that case, that your side of the Democratic Party does not decide who our nominee is, as that is a formula for certain defeat.

What does my side of the Democratic party mean? It's a lot more than just Democrats that are mad about this war.
25814  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: California Republican took $2.4 million in bribes to steer defense contracts on: November 28, 2005, 10:48:50 pm
If a Republican does something wrong, that means that some Democrat somewhere must have done the same thing, right?

I see you're finally getting it.

Yeah, who cares about all of the Bush, Cheney, DeLay, Frist, Hastert scandals. Some Democrat in North Dakota must have done the same.
25815  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: "God Bless America" to be added to Alabama license plates on: November 28, 2005, 10:47:07 pm
Figures that a state with the poll tax still on the books (not active only because of SCOTUS ruling), and that only a few years ago got rid of the inter-racial marriage ban would also discriminate against the non-Christian.
25816  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: California Republican took $2.4 million in bribes to steer defense contracts on: November 28, 2005, 09:24:48 pm
The Republican culture of curroption is evident here:

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/gopscorecard.htm

Piece of advice - don't pretend that the Democrats are squeaky clean.

OK, but they're a gazillon times better. Lied about a blow job? Who cares?
25817  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Antonin Scalia on: November 28, 2005, 09:23:09 pm
He is neither of the two choices. He is a conservative and his vote seem to reflect it. I believe he came down on the side of freedom in voting for property rights in Kelo v. New London but he was not on the side of states rights in the medical marijuana case. Thomas on the other hand was correct in both cases in my opinion.

BTW the liberal justices voted against freedom in both cases.

The so called liberal justices.
25818  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: California Republican took $2.4 million in bribes to steer defense contracts on: November 28, 2005, 09:20:24 pm
The Republican culture of curroption is evident here:

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/gopscorecard.htm
25819  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Mark Warner Rejects Timeline for Withdrawal from Iraq on: November 28, 2005, 07:43:37 pm
My view of Warner just went down quite a bit. He just gave Bush some political cover. We will not support anyone who calls Iraq anything other that what it is, a war started for no good reason by a terrorist warmonger.
25820  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Possible REP Or DEM Canidates For President In 2016 on: November 28, 2005, 07:38:21 pm
We're 11 years out, folks...

Predictions can be made...

A guess of John Kerry in '93 wouldn't have been too unreasonable [although I doubt many would have seen a nine-year Senator as "rising star" material]--but no-one would have been able to predict the situation in 2004 in 1993, certainly.

But in 1989, who'd have guessed that George W. Bush would have run for President in 2000.

Bob Dole in 1985--not unreasonable, although most people would have pegged him for '88, not '96.

Bill Clinton in 1981?  An unknown governor of Arkansas who served for a brief two years before being thrown out of office?

Michael Dukakis in 1977?  Maybe.  An up-and-coming Governor of Massachusetts two years into office...

George Bush in 1977?  People were thinking about him for 1980, if at all.

Walter Mondale in 1973?  Not too bad of a guess--a one-term senator who just won re-election in 1972 of all years...

Ronald Reagan in 1969?  Not a bad guess, considering he'd made an effort the previous year.  Although talk would have been more focused (and for good reason) on 1976.

Jimmy Carter in 1965?  An unknown Georgia State Senator?  I don't think so.

Gerald Ford in 1965?  Not the most likely of candidates, as House Minority Leader, but certainly could have been talked about (if quickly dismissed) in abstract terms.

George McGovern in 1961?  A former South Dakota Congressman who just lost an election for Senate?  Not very likely.

Richard Nixon in 1957?  Certainly, although few would have guessed 1968 for him.

Hubert Humphrey in 1957?  Certainly could have (and probably would have) been on people's lists (perhaps for sooner than 1968).

Barry Goldwater in 1953?  A rising star at the time (having unseated the Senate Majority Leader)--and, for once, a rising star who actually got the nomination down the road.

Lyndon Johnson in 1953?  Another rising star, the new Senate Minority Leader thanks to Goldwater's unseating of the prior leader.

JFK in 1949?  An Congressman from the Boston area--politically well-heeled, but unknown outside Massachusetts, certainly.

Nixon in 1949?  After Alger Hiss, he was certainly well-known at the time...

Stevenson in 1941/5?  An Assistant Secretary of the Navy?  No-one had heard of the guy.

Dwight D. Eisenhower in November 1941?  Some random Brigadier General--don't think so.

Thomas E. Dewey in 1937?  The new DA in Manhattan isn't a bad position for a Republican in 1937...but enough to consider him Presidential material?  Apparently, he did, as he ran in 1940 anyway.

Harry Truman in 1937?  Possible, as a freshman Senator, but not *that* likely.

Thomas E. Dewey in 1933?  Who?

Wendell Wilkie in 1929?  Some Democrat lawyer--least likely candidate ever.

Alf Landon in 1925?  Some random liberal Republican in Kansas...nope.

FDR in 1921?  Sure--akin to John Edwards, the guy who just lost his race for VP.

Hoover in 1917?  Well known, well-respected--why didn't he run earlier?

Al Smith in 1917?  Sherrif of Manhattan--perhaps significant--assuming he got elected Governor at some point.

John W. Davis in 1913?  US Solictor Generals make great Presidents, riiight...

Calvin Coolidge in 1913?  Some random State Senator...

James Cox in 1909?  Local Ohio newspaperman and freshman Congressman--not exactly highest caliber.

Warren G. Harding in 1909?  Local Ohio newspaperman four years out of a term as Lieutenant Governor.  Heck, if Harding had a chance, we should be considering Sherrod Brown for President come 2016...

Charles Evans Hughes in 1905?  A New York lawyer---hmm, I don't think so

Woodrow Wilson in 1905?  President of Princeton.


There have been cases when it could be predicted...but they're few and far between.

Calvin Coolidge in 1913?

Al Gore '89.
25821  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Marriage rights: Those crazy social liberals are at it again on: November 27, 2005, 09:10:55 pm
There are multiple mormom sects. While The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has a near monopoly, there are 250,000 mormoms who belong to the 2nd largest sect, the Community of Christ. The people in this article belong to some smaller sect.
25822  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Possible REP Or DEM Canidates For President In 2016 on: November 27, 2005, 05:41:43 pm
Angelides / Obama 2016!
25823  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Log Cabin Republicans on: November 27, 2005, 03:10:19 am
One of their founders became a Democrat. The ones who haven't yet are a bit slow.


http://www.myleftwing.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=3692
25824  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of George McGovern on: November 26, 2005, 11:56:05 pm
Privately a good man.  Politically and as a role model for Democrats like jfern, a complete disaster for the Democratic Party. 

How was he an ideological disaster?  Vietnam was a disaster 13 years in the making when he made his calls for withdrawl.

By illustrating to the entire country the fact that the Democratic Party could no longer be trusted to defend its interests abroad.  Carter's bungling during the Iran hostage crisis merely solidified this perception that was begun by McGovern's nomination by the Democratic Party.   

Yeah, McGovern so tainted the Democratic party, yet Carter won in 1976.

I don't know what you'd have wanted the Dems to do in 1972, considering no Dem would have beaten Nixon.  Scoop Jackson?  If he'd have won, the death toll in Vietnam might have approached 100,000.  Humphrey redux?  Just a hangover from the failed LBJ Vietnam policy.  George Wallace?  lol.

History proved George McGovern right.  He did not hurt the Democratic party at all in the long run.


And don't forget that if the election was held again in 1974, McGovern would have won.
25825  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Southerners more charitable? on: November 26, 2005, 11:53:38 pm
I love it how socialists like JFraud are total hypocrites when it comes to their idea of "wealth redistribution".

It is kind of funny actually.  All for redistribution of wealth until it is redistributed AWAY from them, and then they hate it.

I have often made the same point as jfern about the fact that a high income in one section of the country is not worth the same amount as a high income in another section.  I am well aware of the fact that people who live in high income states are effectively penalized with a higher level of taxes for their standard of living than people in lower income states with a lower cost of living.  A person making $75,000 per year, as an example, would be struggling to get by in New York if he/she had to raise a family, and very well off in Mississippi, yet they'd both be taxed the same, other than the deduction for state and local taxes, which would be higher in New York.

But since it's the Democrats who often argue that anybody making more than $50,000 per year is fabulously rich, I think jfern is barking up the wrong tree.  Also, the people in the higher income areas (i.e., New York, California) have voted for high taxes repeatedly, so it's not too easy to sympathize with their plight.

This is all ignoring the larger problem of where the money is spent. In 2000, the average Republican congressional district got $600 million more in spending than the average Democratic congressional district. Very little of the money is helping the poor, much of it is sh**tty pork projects.

Also, maybe people would earn more in the south if they weren't so anti-education.

Ah, who actually ends up getting the money?  The locals that are provided jobs.

3 serious flaws

1: Most of the money doesn't go to the poor
2: What about the poor who live in Democratic areas?
3: The cost of living is much higher in some Democratic aras
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