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25801  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Mark Warner, the Democratic contender on: June 04, 2005, 05:58:01 pm

How's that?  You can't say that DailyKos isn't governed by mob-psychology.  It's worse than DU.  They almost have a cult-like group with social ranks of regular users, trusted users, and the "elite"(sorry for using that term) group of respected posters.  It's quite amusing.

Trusted status on DailyKos only allows you to give 0s and see comments that are "hidden". Anyone can get it, and it's very easy to lose (you need a certain number of highly rated comments to keep it). Calling that mob-psychology is absurd.

Also, DailyKos allows dissent, they don't ban you just because you disagree with most people.
25802  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Jeb Bush after all? on: June 04, 2005, 05:53:27 pm
Yuck
25803  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: When did you first realize that each president was going to get re-elected? on: June 04, 2005, 05:50:42 pm

'04 - the day before, when activist judges in Ohio decided that it was ok for the GOP to station operatives at voting stations to 'challenge' (put aside the votes of and generally intimidate) any voter they wanted.

The ruling wasn't the day before. It was 2:30 AM election day.

In the majority ruling of Bush vs. Gore, it is said that "the electors are chosen under laws enacted prior to election day". Activist judicial rulings on election day seem rather suspect.
25804  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: If everyone in Nevada moved to California on: June 04, 2005, 05:40:20 pm
They'd obviously keep their 5 EV until the next census. All but 2 people would either be a US Senator, US House member, or a Presidential elector.
25805  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Presidential Survivor Tie Breaker: Thomas Jefferson vs. Harry Truman on: June 03, 2005, 11:40:49 pm
It's 50 years after the declaration of Independence, you are GONE (along with John Adams), Thomas Jefferson.
25806  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Presidential Survivor Tie Breaker: Thomas Jefferson vs. Harry Truman on: June 03, 2005, 11:37:12 pm
In the voting, and the runoff, Truman was trailing for a while. However, Truman is about to win. This reminds me of



25807  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Vote Jefferson off the Island here on: June 03, 2005, 11:19:27 pm
Wow the lead keeps switching, currently 7-5 in favor of Truman, even though it was 5-4 in favor of Jefferson not too long ago.
25808  General Discussion / History / Re: I think I hit the Trifecta (Presidential Survivor) on: June 03, 2005, 11:16:33 pm
I can't unlock the thread to allow quoting it directly, for some reason.

Give mad props to James42 for naming Washington, Jefferson, TR and Ike as contenders. They all made the top five! I don't think anyone else gave Ike a chance.

I had the feeling he'd make top 5, since he's a Republican that does not bring out negative feelings from Democrats.
25809  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Should religous schools be banned? on: June 03, 2005, 11:14:24 pm
No, but they should not recieve any tax money.
25810  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: George Bush v. John Kerry (1956) on: June 03, 2005, 11:10:16 pm


What does RINO stand for?

Republican In Name Only. Sort of like Lowell Weicker in 1988.
The opposite, a DINO seems to be much more common. Zell Miller is a perfect example.
25811  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Comparing Bush on: June 03, 2005, 11:09:19 pm

I think people knew the Roosevelts were going to be great before they left office.

But not at the start of their second terms. At this point in FDR's second term, he was getting his a** whipped over the court packing plan. His New Deal was stalled, and he had no effective foreign policy.

There were many who felt about FDR just the way you feel about Bush. Had he retired in 1940, after 2 terms, his place in history would not be anywhere near where it is. Although I am a Republican, I have spoken favorably of FDR's leadership in resisting Nazi aggression many times.

In 1940, FDR beat a RINO by a landslide.
25812  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Bush Job Approval Rating on: June 03, 2005, 11:07:41 pm
Polls of the last 4 weeks

Gallup 23-26 48%
Gallup 20-22 46%
Zogby 23-25 46%
CBS 20-24 46%
Quinnipiac 18-23 44%
Pew 11-15 43%
Time 10-12 46%

Pretty consistant 46%, if anything the average is slightly lower.
25813  General Discussion / History / Re: Presidential Survivor (ROUND 40) on: June 03, 2005, 11:04:19 pm
Well the final results for this round are this:

Thomas Jefferson - 20

Harry Truman - 20

Theodore Roosevelt - 2

ATFFL and Jake did not get their votes in on time. So this round will go to a half hour tie breaker which will be up in the Election What if forum at 12:10 and will end at 12:40. The final round will not be posted until we know who the final 2 are gonna be.

Lord, you people are gonna kill me here. Tongue

Jake and ATFFL would have cancelled each other out, anyways.
25814  General Discussion / History / Re: Presidential Survivor (ROUND 40) on: June 03, 2005, 11:03:41 pm
No tiebreaker this round. Truman.

BTW, I got a 710 on the verbal section of the GRE and a 770 on the math.

Just thought I would throw that out there.

That's a pretty good verbal score, but too bad you didn't get an 800 on the math. Wink
25815  General Discussion / History / Re: Presidential Survivor (ROUND 40) on: June 03, 2005, 11:01:04 pm
Why's everyone voting after midnight?
25816  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Gitmo abuses confirmed on: June 03, 2005, 10:59:41 pm
jfern leavews out the fact that the abusers were disciplined, just as the Abu Ghraib abusers were.

I hadn't heard that part. But perhaps they'll find some lowly enlisted men to blame it all on.
25817  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Comparing Bush on: June 03, 2005, 10:56:58 pm

I agree with most of what you say, J.J.

It's amazing to me how some people have such a lack of historical perspective that they can claim he's the worst president ever, without waiting to see the results of his policies.

Many presidents now considered great were hated while in office, while other highly popular ones fell in favor after their administrations ended. There's no way to really judge a president's place in history while he is in office.

Bush will be a consequential president, one way or another. That's why I don't think it's appropriate to rate him as average. He will not be average. He will either be a great president, possibly a mixed one, with strong pluses and minuses, or he could conceivably be a terrible one. But it's too soon to tell.

I think people knew the Roosevelts were going to be great before they left office.
25818  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Howard Dean pours extra money into four red states. on: June 03, 2005, 10:53:05 pm
It's not just 4 states.

Already done:

1. Wyoming
2. Nevada
3. Nebraska
4. Mississippi
5. Kansas
6. Missouri
7. North Dakota
8. North Carolina
9. West Virginia

Next on the list:

* South Dakota
* Maryland
* Arkansas
* Colorado

Ok... I'll bite.....

Wyoming.....?!?

While it's usually very solidly Republican, it has a  popular Democratic governor
25819  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: What would make this possible? on: June 03, 2005, 10:51:54 pm
Impossible today.
25820  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: The Best Democratic Governor (Western Bracket) on: June 03, 2005, 10:00:21 pm
Dave Freudenthal (WY)
Janet Napolitano (AZ)
Bill Richardson (NM)
Brian Schweitzer (MT)
25821  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: My dislike for suburbs on: June 03, 2005, 09:38:45 pm
Melbourne has one of the lowest densities in the world in the outer suburbs; there is a massive urban sprawl. Damn 1/4 acre blocks.

Somewhere I saw that almost all of the top sprawling cities in the world are in the US. Atlanta has the worst sprawl of a major city.
25822  General Discussion / History / Re: Presidential Survivor Discussion Thread - II on: June 03, 2005, 09:29:50 pm
Hiroshima was great, but reducing Jefferson to Sally Hemmings is lame.

He gave us the Lousiana Purchase, paid off national debt, and repealed internal taxes in the United States. Lastly, let's not forget that Jefferson was a supporter of states' rights; Truman wasn't.

Louisiana Purchase - we might have been able to get it for free, France was rather busy with the Napolenic wars, which they ended up losing
Paid off national debt - Borrow and spend Reagan or Dubya hadn't been President yet, so that wasn't so much of an accomplishment as it sounds
Repealed internal taxes - A negative if you want the government to actually do anything. And aren't you Republicans all for free trade?
State's rights - Yes, he was very pro-slavery
25823  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Howard Dean pours extra money into four red states. on: June 03, 2005, 07:51:33 pm
It's not just 4 states.

Already done:

   1. Wyoming
   2. Nevada
   3. Nebraska
   4. Mississippi
   5. Kansas
   6. Missouri
   7. North Dakota
   8. North Carolina
   9. West Virginia

Next on the list:

    * South Dakota
    * Maryland
    * Arkansas
    * Colorado
25824  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Howard Dean pours extra money into four red states. on: June 03, 2005, 07:41:24 pm
That was a fluke, Jfern- I assume you're aware that Jimmy Carter was the nominee in 1976, and that Georgia is normally a Republican stronghold.

I'm aware of that. If you want another large shift try 1928 to 1932 in Kansas. The Republican VP candidate was still from there in 1932.
25825  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Howard Dean pours extra money into four red states. on: June 03, 2005, 07:37:03 pm
I think Colorado should be a big priority, certainly way ahead of Arizona.

I should certainly think so- you seem to believe that Colorado will somehow become a Democratic stronghold overnight by 2008.

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