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25801  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Flag burning on: June 30, 2006, 03:00:39 am
Somewhere around half of all Constitutional amendments grant more rights. Some are neutral. This amendment would have been the only active amendment taking away rights. The other such amendment, the 18th, was repealed by the 21st.
25802  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Same-Sex schools on: June 30, 2006, 02:55:21 am
"Seperate but equal"? Now where have we seen this before?
25803  Forum Community / Election and History Games / Re: Vote for the best President - Final on: June 30, 2006, 02:54:00 am
No write-ins, everyone else was already eliminated, don't blame me if the final result sounds unoriginal:

George Washington wins 9-2.
25804  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / Re: Waltermittty v. Virginian87 on: June 30, 2006, 02:42:52 am
mitty is hard to peg ideologically. Some of us his strong positions are things that I support such as gun control, so I would vote for him.

His positions on the issues are kind of random. Hopefully he'll change the on the issues he sucks on like the Iraq war, and become a Democrat.
25805  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / Re: Waltermittty v. Virginian87 on: June 30, 2006, 02:41:12 am
I'd vote Waltermitty.
25806  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Flag burning on: June 30, 2006, 02:39:04 am
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The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning.
http://suvcw.org/flag.htm
25807  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / Re: What would a map look like? on: June 30, 2006, 02:37:42 am
These are 3 pretty similar candidates in terms of positions on the issues. I'd consider not voting, but if I did vote, it'd be for Hawk.
25808  General Discussion / Alternative History / Re: Who should George H W Bush have picked for VP on: June 30, 2006, 01:45:09 am
Ted Kenendy
25809  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Supreme Court rules against Tribunals on: June 30, 2006, 01:44:14 am
The Dept. of Defense may ignore this ruling. Court rulings are only for Democrats to obey.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/30/washington/30gitmo.html?hp&ex=1151640000&en=08b8cb725164ea86&ei=5094&partner=homepage
25810  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: dirt on Webb on: June 30, 2006, 01:42:59 am
Webb appears to be a silly populist..NOT what VA needs.

More of a libertarian than a populist, really.
25811  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: NJ Senate Debate on: June 30, 2006, 01:33:24 am

It links to the NY Times, you moron.
25812  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: NJ Senate Debate on: June 30, 2006, 01:30:05 am
Since the 2004 election showed that taking the upper road, and  not immediately responding to negative lying attacks, no matter how absurd, causes you to lose, here's Menendez's response. Time to hit back hard on this waste of DNA.

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Kean Is Preparing a Campaign Film Against Menendez in the Style of a Swift Boat Ad


Jim Dwyer
New York Times
Jun 30, 2006


The Republican candidate for the United States Senate in New Jersey, Thomas H. Kean Jr., intends to make a campaign film that accuses his Democratic opponent, Robert Menendez, of "being wrapped up in the rackets for 30 years" despite public records and statements by former federal prosecutors that contradict Mr. Kean's most serious charges.


Mr. Kean's chief campaign consultant, Matt Leonardo, a strategist for Republican candidates, disclosed the plans in an interview and said the film would be "very similar" in purpose to the commercials used to attack the military record of John Kerry during the 2004 presidential race.


Kean campaign officials have sought to erode their opponent's public biography, charging that virtually every moment of Mr. Menendez's career has been mired in graft and bossism. That includes his early days in Union City, where Mr. Menendez has said that he acted to thwart a racketeering scheme involving his own political associates and organized crime figures - a claim that is documented in public records and corroborated by independent authorities.


Nevertheless, the Kean campaign will challenge that biography in "a long-form film," Mr. Leonardo said, just as commercials broadcast in 2004 attacked Mr. Kerry's military record. Those commercials, relying on claims by a group called Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, purported to expose Mr. Kerry's military decorations as exaggerated or fraudulent. Although the premise and many elements of the Swift boat advertisements were strongly disputed, as a whole they were seen as successful in hobbling the Kerry campaign.


"The similarity between the Swift boat ads and this movie - you have two individuals who have told stories for a political purpose and the facts just don't jibe," Mr. Leonardo said. "And these two individuals were able to get away with telling it their way for more than a decade and a half. I would say it's very similar in that way."


Mr. Kean's most serious charge is that Mr. Menendez was "part of a massive illegal kickback scheme" as a Union City official in 1978, and not the courageous truth teller depicted in his résumé. Mr. Kean charges that Mr. Menendez cooperated with prosecutors to keep himself out of jail.


Mr. Kean's charges are not, however, supported by the public record and were repudiated by independent authorities including the four assistant United States attorneys who prosecuted Union City officials of that era for racketeering and corruption. There is no truth, those former officials say, to the Kean campaign's charge that Mr. Menendez made a deal to keep himself out of prison.


The prosecutors said the actions of Mr. Menendez, as the secretary of the Union City Board of Education from 1978 to 1982, were "gutsy" and "courageous." They said he was never in legal jeopardy. During a four-month trial in 1981 and 1982, the corrupt contractor at the center of the scheme testified that Mr. Menendez created headaches for the plotters when he balked at processing fraudulent paperwork needed for a kickback scheme.


Mr. Leonardo did not directly dispute that information, published Sunday in The New York Times and The Star-Ledger of Newark, but described it as a "set of views" and said other people held different views.


Of the prosecutors, Richard L. Friedman, James Plaisted, Samuel Rosenthal and Mark Malone, Mr. Leonardo said, "I think they're all respectable men." He continued to assert that Mr. Menendez had not willingly helped the prosecution, but had done so under pressure. "He went to the grand jury 12 times," Mr. Leonardo said, by way of example.


None of those appearances were under pressure, said Mr. Friedman, who said that while he could not recall how many times Mr. Menendez testified before the grand jury, the number was not a measure of his cooperation. As school board secretary, Mr. Menendez served as the custodian of a dense set of records that were at the heart of the scheme. He would have returned as often as the grand jury had questions, Mr. Friedman said.


Until Mr. Leonardo discussed the proposed film this week, the Kean campaign's role in it had been opaque. During a debate between the candidates on Sunday, Mr. Kean was asked about his involvement in the film, but he did not answer. A spokeswoman for Mr. Kean, Jill Hazelbaker, also said last week that she did not know anything about it. A researcher for the campaign, Chris Lyon, however, had been contacting people who were in Union City in the 1970's and 80's about appearing in the film, including this reporter, who covered events there between 1980 and 1982. Mr. Lyon did not disclose his affiliation with Mr. Kean.


Asked later why he had not revealed his campaign role, Mr. Lyon said, "I was not working for Kean on the documentary project." He said he did not know who was behind it.


It turns out that Mr. Lyon's boss, Mr. Leonardo, was responsible. Mr. Leonardo said that he had made the arrangements for the film on behalf of Mr. Kean's campaign, and that Mr. Lyon was a subcontractor to his firm. Moreover, the campaign's spokeswoman, Ms. Hazelbaker, would not necessarily have known about the film, Mr. Leonardo said. He would not say how Mr. Kean intended to distribute the film or whether he hoped to broadcast it on the Philadelphia and New York television stations that serve New Jersey, a costly proposition.


He said that the film would not rely on money from a 527 committee, the type of tax-exempt but politically active organization that financed the Swift boat commercials attacking Mr. Kerry.


Both he and Ms. Hazelbaker said that the source - campaign money as opposed to a 527 committee - was the primary distinction between the Swift boat commercials and the planned film on Mr. Menendez.


"They're similar," Ms. Hazelbaker said, "in the sense both intended to expose facts about biography."


The Menendez campaign said the film would damage Mr. Kean.


"A lie is a lie, no matter how many times Tom Kean Jr. repeats it," said Matt Miller, a spokesman for Mr. Menendez. "He already has been exposed as a fraud. He has destroyed his credibility, and he is on a fast track to ruining a respected family name."

http://www.menendez2006.com/news/headlines/20060630_swiftboat/

25813  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: NJ Senate Debate on: June 30, 2006, 01:25:10 am
Appearantly the Kean campaign plans to swiftboat (attack with very negative lies) Menendez. However, unlike Bush and Kerry, they aren't distancing this attack from the Kean campaign.

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The Republican candidate for Senate in New Jersey, Thomas Kean Jr., intends to make a campaign film that accuses his Democratic opponent, Robert Menendez, of "being wrapped up in the rackets for 30 years" despite public records and statements by former federal prosecutors that contradict Mr. Kean's most serious charges.

 Mr. Kean's chief campaign consultant, Matt Leonardo, a strategist for Republican candidates, disclosed the plans in an interview and said the film would be "very similar" in purpose to the commercials used to attack the military record of John Kerry during the 2004 presidential race.


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Mr. Kean's charges are not, however, supported by the public record and were repudiated by independent authorities including the four assistant United States attorneys who prosecuted Union City officials of that era for racketeering and corruption. There is no truth, those former officials say, to the Kean campaign's charge that Mr. Menendez made a deal to keep himself out of prison.

 The prosecutors said the actions of Mr. Menendez, as the secretary of the Union City Board of Education from 1978 to 1982, were "gutsy" and "courageous." They said he was never in legal jeopardy. During a four-month trial in 1981 and 1982, the corrupt contractor at the center of the scheme testified that Mr. Menendez created headaches for the plotters when he balked at processing fraudulent paperwork needed for a kickback scheme.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/30/nyregion/30kean.html


I didn't really like Menedez before, but now I really hope he destroys Kean and all Kean stands for.  Kean is total garbage.

If Kean wasn't a complete ass, he'd be dealing with the flooding situation (NJ is in a state of emergency) instead of making of lying attacks.
25814  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: WA Senate Race ; Cantwell vs Stevens. Its payback for ANWR rejection on: June 29, 2006, 10:50:42 pm
Stevens has bought and paid for each and every one of his votes by giving away so much pork. Alaskans may claim to be libertarian, but really they're greedy pork barrell sucking assholes.
25815  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: lieberman's future? on: June 29, 2006, 10:49:47 pm
Probably FauxNews will hire him to bash Democrats.
25816  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Could he be the next Daschle? on: June 29, 2006, 10:49:13 pm
No, despite the wishes of the insane warmongers on this board, Murtha will be re-elected.
25817  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: opinion of the republican congress on: June 29, 2006, 08:25:10 pm
Can those who say that the Republican Congress is terrible but then claim that a Democratic Congress would be worse, explain why?
25818  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Another smoking question? on: June 29, 2006, 07:40:05 pm
Wow, look at all of the brain-deads on this thread arguing that there are no health problems from second hand smoke.  No wonder our country is in such sh**tty shape.
25819  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: NY Times reveals yet another classified program on: June 29, 2006, 05:10:59 pm


NYT is being targetted since they were the ones to release it first.  Once it has made it into the press, it is fair game for the other media outlets.

So when will the Bush adminstration target the Bush adminstration for leaking classified information that hurts national security?

So when will you stop asking rhetorical questions?

You hypocritical Bush apoligists are really hopeless.
25820  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: NY Times reveals yet another classified program on: June 29, 2006, 04:55:49 pm


NYT is being targetted since they were the ones to release it first.  Once it has made it into the press, it is fair game for the other media outlets.

So when will the Bush adminstration target the Bush adminstration for leaking classified information that hurts national security?
25821  Election Archive / 2006 Senatorial Election Polls / Re: SUSA: Allen (R) leads Webb (D) by 19% on: June 29, 2006, 04:05:08 pm
JFern calls this an outlier in..10, 9, 8, 7.......

I doubt Allen has that much of a lead, but that doesn't mean that it is a statistical outlier.
25822  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Iraq insurgents offer to stop attacks on: June 29, 2006, 04:01:42 pm
Rumsfeld says no deal, because it would stop us from "success", whatever "success" is.
25823  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Flag burning on: June 29, 2006, 05:27:41 am
I'm surprised the Republicans didn't hold the vote open until they could bribe enough people like they did for the Big Pharma Medicare giveaway in the House.
25824  Election Archive / 2006 Senatorial Election Polls / Re: Brown University: RI Sen. Whitehouse (D) 38%, Chafee (R) 37% on: June 29, 2006, 04:46:18 am
Wow, that's terrible for an incumbent. Chafee is so screwed, because in Al Gore's best state, he needs more wingnuts to vote for him then against him. BTW, the deadline to run as an Independent has elapsed.

Freepers hate him because his ACU score last year tied with Boxer (12) and Clinton (12) and lost to Feingold (13).
25825  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: NY Times reveals yet another classified program on: June 29, 2006, 04:44:17 am
Besides the obvious with Valerie Plame, here's another case of where it was the Bush adminstration disclosing classified information that hurt the national security of the US.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/6/28/162628/240
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