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51  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is it safe to assume neither Jim Gilmore nor Bob Ehrlich are going to run? on: July 01, 2015, 06:50:10 pm
Who?
HA HA HA YOU ARE SO CLEVER AND ORIGINAL
52  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Tennessee Hardware Store puts up "no gays allowed" sign on: July 01, 2015, 06:48:38 pm
Freedom of association is a two way street. People are free to boycott this store, and I am sure the public outrage and typical hysterical reaction of the media will be more than enough to take down this sign.

Are you being serious?
Partly. I don't want to see the Civil Rights Act repealed, though in an ideal world, people should be free to discriminate in their personal lives if they choose to live life like an ass-wipe. CNN will talk about this story for a week, people will shame the owner, and the sign will come down. It's a pretty simple chain of events.

You could also legalize punching your customers in the face under the same theory. 

As for freedom of association, that's not under threat here.  This person opened a store that caters to anyone who walks by.  So, he chose to associate with anyone who walks by, aka the general public.   Running a store is not "your personal life" at all.  It's public. 
I walk by the local country club a lot. But I can't golf there whenever I want. The owners of the country club "associate with the general public." What is the difference? They both are private, for profit establishments and should be allowed to cater to whomever they want.

A country club is a private club.  A hardware store is not a private club. 
And why can't this idiot in TN operate his business as a private club? Who gets to decide what is private and what isn't?

Indeed - Sanchez is dead wrong here. A private institution like a country club or even a university, makes clear there are qualifications for access and inclusion. A store, whilst being privately owned, still has no expectation of denying access based on any qualifier.

The store is being actively discriminatory and is now throwing up "muh religins freedumz" to get the usual suspects to back him.

Freedom of association is a two way street. People are free to boycott this store, and I am sure the public outrage and typical hysterical reaction of the media will be more than enough to take down this sign.

Are you being serious?
Partly. I don't want to see the Civil Rights Act repealed, though in an ideal world, people should be free to discriminate in their personal lives if they choose to live life like an ass-wipe. CNN will talk about this story for a week, people will shame the owner, and the sign will come down. It's a pretty simple chain of events.

You could also legalize punching your customers in the face under the same theory. 

As for freedom of association, that's not under threat here.  This person opened a store that caters to anyone who walks by.  So, he chose to associate with anyone who walks by, aka the general public.   Running a store is not "your personal life" at all.  It's public. 
I walk by the local country club a lot. But I can't golf there whenever I want. The owners of the country club "associate with the general public." What is the difference? They both are private, for profit establishments and should be allowed to cater to whomever they want.

The country club owner is clear from the beginning that the business does not intend to serve 100% of the public, and defines clear requirements for membership that can be met regardless of sexuality.

The Hardware store owner serves everyone for x years, then suddenly adopts a new requirement for service that certain people cannot meet because of how they were born, as a clear overreaction to a court action that he disagreed with yet had absolutely nothing to do with his business. If he had been asked to come to a wedding and perform a service, or if he had been asked to make something that had an explicit "gay" theme, that's one thing and I think there are legitimate issues of religious freedom to address there. But that's not what is happening here.
Have you ever seen a sign at McDonalds saying "we reserve the right to refuse service?" They have a choice to refuse service for whatever reason. When they do refuse service, it happens after the customer enters the store expecting service.

Sure, the point of those signs are to prevent unruly customers from remaining in the establishment after being asked to leave, but the point is they exist to give the owner options. And in this situation, the owner is using those options.

Of course, this isn't an issue of religious freedom. Its an issue of economic freedom. People have the right to be assholes. And people don't have the right to not get their feelings hurt.
53  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: 2016 Republican Nomination Poll - July 2015 on: July 01, 2015, 05:50:22 pm
Bush.
54  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / CCSF: Supreme Court rules SSM a legal right on: July 01, 2015, 05:49:50 pm
I'm legitimately surprised you're still somehow not banned yet.
I'm legitimately surprised you people actually bother with him. It's even more annoying than CountryClassSF derailing this thread.
55  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Tennessee Hardware Store puts up "no gays allowed" sign on: July 01, 2015, 05:48:13 pm
Freedom of association is a two way street. People are free to boycott this store, and I am sure the public outrage and typical hysterical reaction of the media will be more than enough to take down this sign.

Are you being serious?
Partly. I don't want to see the Civil Rights Act repealed, though in an ideal world, people should be free to discriminate in their personal lives if they choose to live life like an ass-wipe. CNN will talk about this story for a week, people will shame the owner, and the sign will come down. It's a pretty simple chain of events.

You could also legalize punching your customers in the face under the same theory. 

As for freedom of association, that's not under threat here.  This person opened a store that caters to anyone who walks by.  So, he chose to associate with anyone who walks by, aka the general public.   Running a store is not "your personal life" at all.  It's public. 
I walk by the local country club a lot. But I can't golf there whenever I want. The owners of the country club "associate with the general public." What is the difference? They both are private, for profit establishments and should be allowed to cater to whomever they want.
56  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Tennessee Hardware Store puts up "no gays allowed" sign on: July 01, 2015, 03:50:09 pm
Freedom of association is a two way street. People are free to boycott this store, and I am sure the public outrage and typical hysterical reaction of the media will be more than enough to take down this sign.

Are you being serious?
Partly. I don't want to see the Civil Rights Act repealed, though in an ideal world, people should be free to discriminate in their personal lives if they choose to live life like an ass-wipe. CNN will talk about this story for a week, people will shame the owner, and the sign will come down. It's a pretty simple chain of events.
57  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Leave of Absence - Getting Married on: July 01, 2015, 12:35:14 pm
Congratulations!
58  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Bernie Sanders Attracting 9500+ People at Madison Rally on: July 01, 2015, 12:34:33 pm
Sanders supporters are now officially more delusional than us Paulites. Wow.
59  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Tennessee Hardware Store puts up "no gays allowed" sign on: July 01, 2015, 12:33:30 pm
Freedom of association is a two way street. People are free to boycott this store, and I am sure the public outrage and typical hysterical reaction of the media will be more than enough to take down this sign.
60  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Southron posters: Have you ever owned any Confederate flag mechandise? on: July 01, 2015, 11:50:16 am
No. I am not really from the "southern" part of Florida in the cultural sense.
61  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Will Obama be remembered in the top 10 of Presidents? on: June 30, 2015, 09:16:57 pm
Top ten? No. Top twenty? Most likely. I could go into detail if anyone cares, but Leinad has done a much better job at articulating what I basically feel about Obama.
62  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Massachusetts on: June 30, 2015, 08:00:16 pm
3 stars, I guess. I don't hate it like I hate California, New Jersey, Oklahoma, Utah, etc.
63  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of these lyrics to "Dixie" on: June 30, 2015, 07:59:14 pm
Nineteen Eighty-Four was a dystopian novel not a manual for how to change history.

What does that have to do with this topic?
Might have had two tabs open at once. I've posted in the wrong threads before because of that.
64  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Who was the lesser evil in the Iran-Iraq war on: June 30, 2015, 07:58:08 pm
Both were terrible. Bathism vs. Shia fundamentalism. But in the end....
Clearly Iraq (not pro-Islamic fundamentalism)
65  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Cliven Bundy got a private meeting with Rand Paul on: June 30, 2015, 06:01:27 pm
A cheap attempt by the Paul campaign to steal back some potential Cruz voters, nothing more.

I mean, really, good people meet with bad people all of the time. Case in point....


66  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Happy Birthday, smilo/sjkqw! on: June 30, 2015, 05:52:49 pm
67  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Who was the more charismatic candidate in 1976 ? on: June 30, 2015, 05:17:26 pm
Obviously Carter. He has a charm to him.
68  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Erasing the Confederacy -How Far Would you Go? on: June 30, 2015, 11:41:59 am
Can we ban the french flag? The whole Vichy thing was rather nasty too.
69  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Rate the Presidents, Installment #23: Benjamin Harrison on: June 30, 2015, 11:39:46 am
Horrendous. 1 star.
70  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Should the U.S. sign and ratify the Convention on Cluster Munitions? on: June 30, 2015, 11:31:35 am
What would be the point? We'd just disobey it.
71  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: FL-Sen: Murphy In on: June 30, 2015, 11:24:52 am
lol giving up a safe house seat to run for a Senate race he's not going to win.
I disagree-Murphy is pretty well liked by Republicans, and DeSantis (who I am supporting FWIW) is a strong-but not perfect-candidate either.
72  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Erasing the Confederacy -How Far Would you Go? on: June 29, 2015, 10:08:25 pm
This, but allow Confederate license plates if the car owner is willing to pay a fee to obtain it from the state. Who are the five voters who want to ban private homeowners from flying a flag? Show yourselves, statists! Tongue
73  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Fulani in Idaho on: June 29, 2015, 10:05:23 pm
I would have thought she'd do slightly better, like 0.80%, even in Idaho. Not that I ever cared.
74  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Prior to the ruling, only a handful of Congressional Republicans were in favor on: June 29, 2015, 09:58:21 pm
But Torie, you want a Republican President to appoint Supreme Court justices who would vote to overturn this decision, if they got the chance.  No?
Ted Olsen will overturn SSM?
75  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Bobloblaw Theatre of Absurdity, Ignorance, and Bad Posts V on: June 29, 2015, 06:33:59 pm
in which shua compares gay marriages and bar mitzvahs to burning qur'ans:

This is an outrage and massive infringement on the personal freedom of these bakers! What's next, they'll be forced to bake cakes for blacks and Hispanics, because of a religiously justified opposition to their skin color!?

I wonder if people believe a baker should be allowed to close their doors to Jews looking for a cake for a bar mitzvah because of the baker's religious views.

I wonder if people believe a Muslim bookseller should have to sell an (Arabic) Quran to Pastor Terry Jones. 

(No, I don't really wonder, I already know they do. Same people who hate conservative Christians hate Orthodox Jews and Muslims, more often than not.)
There was literally nothing wrong with anything he posted.
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