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1  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK Parliamentary by-elections, 2015-2020 on: December 03, 2015, 10:03:28 pm
You would hope that some people in the media are feeling a little bit embarrassed.

Tomorrow's chip paper, I suspect they were largely just drumming it up in the hopes it'd be a self-fulfilling prophesy (and it's always news to the monolithically middle-class journos that anyone would vote left of Blair).
2  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: UK General Discussion: Corbyn vs the Pigdiddler on: December 03, 2015, 09:54:27 pm
Noticed Jess Philips has done an interview with the Spectator where she gloats about how she told Dianne Abbott to f**k off, and how loads of people have told her they wanted to do the same.

All whilst tweeting Corbyn must take a tougher stand over Labour MPs having voted for airstrikes on Syria and done so against the wishes of many receive an expected amount of backlash for it (that is to say, a couple of tweets). Tomorrows Torygraph has that filed under terrorism.

Do these people get any more transparent?
3  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What happened to TNF? on: November 08, 2015, 09:32:13 am

>vanish for a month because of new full-time job
>return to Atlas on the 98th anniversary of the October Revolution

*Doffs lenin cap*.
4  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: UK General Discussion: Corbyn vs the Pigdiddler on: November 06, 2015, 12:14:55 pm
Progress-ite PPC Emily Benn has officially complained about Corbynite Head of Policy for a past tweet endorsing Class War, leading to his suspension. Meanwhile it's surfaced that she tweeted endorsing the WEP in reaction to Corbyn's "male-dominated" (ha) shadow cabinet. It'll be interesting to see if a) Fisher is reinstated or b) similar consequences befall her.

5  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What happened to TNF? on: November 05, 2015, 04:45:55 pm
sh**tposting on 4chan or some such?

I'd guess for TNF discussing politics & elections (and what that usually entails in today's landscape) became just as meaningless to him as TNF's brand is to modern politics, the two both sides of the same coin. Endless discussion on the merits of liberal & conservative policies/election campaigns, with your own forgotten, starts to feel like hanging around on a forum for a band you could no longer care less about. That's basically what happened with me, anyway.

RIP FF/comrade.
6  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: UK General Discussion: Corbyn vs the Pigdiddler on: November 05, 2015, 04:23:03 pm
Hmm, maybe jumped the gun there, then. Wouldn't like to mischaracterize the mood of the PLP if this is just a talking shop that the Blairites have set up camp in.
7  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Owen Jones on: November 05, 2015, 04:14:34 pm
Not perfect by any means but a welcome voice in the baron wasteland that is contemporary British journalism for a leftist perspective. He's usually a great marker of someone's politics: people found hating on him are invariably insufferable right-wingers.
8  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: UK General Discussion: Corbyn vs the Pigdiddler on: November 05, 2015, 02:08:31 pm
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2015/11/labour-right-triumphs-plp-elections

So the MPs have voted overwhelmingly for the most right-wing Blarites in the PLP elections, whilst the rank and file the most left-wing socialist as leader. Seems to be an odd move if they're supposedly concerned about bitter infighting - and does suggest that the gulf between the membership and Westminster is even worse than believed: most are Blairite true-believers judging from these.
9  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: UK General Discussion: Corbyn vs the Pigdiddler on: October 21, 2015, 10:10:21 am
Michael Meacher, the MP for Oldham West and Royton since 1970, has died at the age of 75. He served on the frontbenches for a long time back in the day and was a noted Bennite. He also briefly ran for the leadership in 2007. RIP.

Sad news, RIP.
10  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Poland election - October 25 2015 on: October 21, 2015, 10:07:43 am
You know, only taking into account my personal views there will be no interesting country for me at all.

Thankfully the left isn't as obsolete in other countries as it is in Poland, so I don't have that issue.


You know, if you are somehow interested and attached to the left all over the world it is beneficial to not only observe how left works in countries where they have mass support but also countries where left in falling into the void. Just to know what left in your country should avoid. In my opinion that would be more beneficial to you than just ignoring places when no one wants to vote on them :3

Well the trouble with that is, I'm not a strategist or in anyway influential, so combing the globe for solutions to the left's woes in certain countries is not in the least bit appealing - I'm here recreationally: for my own enjoyment, to pepper my working day with the knowledge that there are movements out there looking to change the situation.
 
Besides which, you acknowledge the left differs across countries, but then so do their appeal: what works/fails in one country isn't a blueprint for another.
11  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Poland election - October 25 2015 on: October 20, 2015, 06:23:47 am
You know, only taking into account my personal views there will be no interesting country for me at all.

Thankfully the left isn't as obsolete in other countries as it is in Poland, so I don't have that issue.

And in Poland only reactionaries are communists and pre-89 nostalgics. 

lol righto.
12  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Canadian federal election - October 19, 2015: Official Results & Analysis Thread on: October 20, 2015, 06:15:49 am
The problem for NDP is that not only has Mulcair's (and fellow Blairites) platform comprehensively failed and completely unwound their historic breakthrough, but that even if they return to left-opposition to distinguish themselves (as clearly the Canadian electorate don't see them as the best vehicle for liberal policies), in the short term they've lost the authenticity and consistency to lend weight to their opposition, and will even appear opportunistic (they just morph into liberals at the first sniff of potential etc).  What a waste.
13  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: The Politics Test: #15 on: October 18, 2015, 05:03:44 pm
1. Strongly Agree. 71/29, 54/16/15/15
2. Agree. 52/48, 43/10/26/21
3. Disagree. 21/79, 4/17/38/42
4. Strongly Agree. 70/30, 55/14/14/16
5. Strongly Agree. 87/13, 58/28/5/8
6. Strongly Agree. 87/13, 60/27/7/7
7. Agree. 71/29, 37/33/20/10
8. Disagree. 40/60, 12/29/27/33
9. Strongly Agree. 71/29. 51/20/20/9
10. Agree. 55/45. 29/27/16/29
11. Disagree. 20/80. 11/8/33/48

Keep voting on proposition 12 (until 6:07 PM EST)
Keep voting on proposition 13
Keep voting on proposition 14

So, this question is ridiculously vague, but I know what its trying to gauge. Society's standards are meant in terms of work, education, religious befliefs, etc. Conservatives often complain about welfare moochers, about people who don't want to work, about kids who don't follow their parents traditional customs. Therefore, agreeing with would be socially authoritarian, or socially conservative.

I strongly disagree with it, since I think individuals should set standards for themselves and no individual should have to live by the collective standards of others. I guess this is kind of a majority rule vs minority rights kind of question too.

Societies standards also include paying their taxes, and what the rich should take as payment. Even in Thatcherite UK, our society's view of what the richest should earn & pay wildly differs from said socons so I don't agree with that characterisation. 

I could see how it could be left wing too. But I'm just saying, its a social question that is libertarian vs authoritarian, not left vs right. You can vote your conscious, but the test may not take it that way.

Well I've already voted that I agree, but this seems to me a fundamentally collectivist vs individualist question, but anyway...
14  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Swiss Elections & Politics (18 October 2015) on: October 18, 2015, 04:49:26 pm
The Swiss left has historically achieved 30%, give or take 2pp, so once you add in AL this would probably go down as the left's worst post-war result, beating 1967 & 1991. Although when you're talking by 1% in a country dominated by the right, it's hard to care.
15  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: The Politics Test: #15 on: October 18, 2015, 04:42:20 pm
1. Strongly Agree. 71/29, 54/16/15/15
2. Agree. 52/48, 43/10/26/21
3. Disagree. 21/79, 4/17/38/42
4. Strongly Agree. 70/30, 55/14/14/16
5. Strongly Agree. 87/13, 58/28/5/8
6. Strongly Agree. 87/13, 60/27/7/7
7. Agree. 71/29, 37/33/20/10
8. Disagree. 40/60, 12/29/27/33
9. Strongly Agree. 71/29. 51/20/20/9
10. Agree. 55/45. 29/27/16/29
11. Disagree. 20/80. 11/8/33/48

Keep voting on proposition 12 (until 6:07 PM EST)
Keep voting on proposition 13
Keep voting on proposition 14

So, this question is ridiculously vague, but I know what its trying to gauge. Society's standards are meant in terms of work, education, religious befliefs, etc. Conservatives often complain about welfare moochers, about people who don't want to work, about kids who don't follow their parents traditional customs. Therefore, agreeing with would be socially authoritarian, or socially conservative.

I strongly disagree with it, since I think individuals should set standards for themselves and no individual should have to live by the collective standards of others. I guess this is kind of a majority rule vs minority rights kind of question too.

Societies standards also include paying their taxes, and what the rich should earn. Even in Thatcherite UK, our society's view of what the richest should earn & pay wildly differs from said socons (who often appear to drop all notion of societal obligation at this junction) so I don't agree with that characterisation.  
16  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Poland election - October 25 2015 on: October 18, 2015, 04:33:34 pm
So basically a coalition of all parties on the left struggle to muster 10% while a vehicle for someone like Korwin gets half that by itself.

Abort thread!


Why?

Personally I've no interest in politics when it's dominated by liberals & reactionaries to such an extent. 
17  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Blair approved the Iraq War in 2002 - does it change your opinion of him? on: October 18, 2015, 04:30:16 pm
Just confirms what I think many already believed. Perhaps now the Guardian will stop printing his sage advice for Labour, but I doubt it.
18  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Your political views become centrist for your country. on: October 18, 2015, 04:24:04 pm
Probably a social democratic split* from - and quickly propelled - into chief opposition to a Marxist Labour party, with left-liberals like Corbyn at the helm.  Liberals & Tories marginalised also-rans crucified by the electoral system into Green/UKIP-like oblivion.

*on a platform of state interventionism, nuclear disarmament but favouring remaining inside the EU and strict immigration & tempered social conservatism.
19  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Who is more left-wing? on: October 18, 2015, 04:07:43 pm
People who argue the UK Tories are markedly left of the Republicans I can only presume pay little  attention to UK politics, or are just repeating platitudes that haven't been true for decades (and make even less sense now they're lumping us into a continent swept by austerocrats).

But muh gay marriage (that more Tories voted against than for) & socialist healthcare (that they're busily starving & privatising).
20  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Poland election - October 25 2015 on: October 16, 2015, 08:56:21 am
So basically a coalition of all parties on the left struggle to muster 10% while a vehicle for someone like Korwin gets half that by itself.

Abort thread!
21  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: the missing Portugal-thread on: October 10, 2015, 01:32:09 pm
This? (page 2, page 3, page 4)
22  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Spanish General Election on: October 08, 2015, 04:01:59 am
Voted Podemos, but would just as likely vote IU if they were better placed.
23  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Irish Elections and Referendums, 2015 on: October 08, 2015, 03:52:08 am
From where I'm standing, FF actually now look less off-putting than either the [REDACTED] party or the "we'll accept absolutely anything, no matter how right-wing, as long as we get some culture war brownie points" excuse for a social democratic party that I'm embarrassed to say I've usually voted for in the past.

There, I've said it.

I'm sure this is exactly what the Irish public had in mind when they launched them into the chief opposition in those heady days of 2011. Why did they even coalesce with FG if they were just going to act as enablers and grant them a super-majority? A minority FG would've at least had some viable opposition, and Labour best placed to break the FF/FG duopoly in years.

A FF vote wouldn't enable FG like these quislings, I'll at least give them that. I don't understand how these eternal Nick Cleggs have survived, or what the Irish did to deserve such a f**king awful Labour party.
24  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Labour Party leadership election 2015 on: September 19, 2015, 05:09:25 pm
I'm not saying Labour should loudly proclaim that they've given up on Scotland. And it sure would be nice if they could win back a few seats there as well. But I'm getting sick and tired of this bogus narrative that Labour absolutely needs to "reconquer" Scotland of they're doomed forever. That's a flat out lie and can be contradicted with basic math. Even if Labour had won every single seat in the entire Scotland, you'd still end up with Prime Minister Cameron, because he just won enough seats in England and Wales for an absolute majority.

So I don't give a crap if you don't want to have to deal with those nasty SNPers. The primary goal of any sane British leftist right now should be to stop the Tories before they completely wreck public services and the welfare system. If you're more concerned about something else, that means you're part of the problem.

Bloody hell, have you even been paying attention? It's not a case of not wanting to deal with "nasty" SNPers (I actually quite welcome their influence in parliament), but there was no doubting that association with the SNP, trumped up by the Tory press, cost Labour in SNP-phobic England, so how on earth does that help us fight the Tories? Yes, let's fight the Tories by losing Labour-leaning voters to them! Great idea.

I highly doubt association with SNP is the first thing the marginal Middle England voter is thinking about when deciding to vote Torie. I can envision why that might be a problem (especially after a Lab-SNP coalition happens), but that's far from being the main issue. Maybe Labour should be concerned about the image they are themselves projecting, before thinking about how another party's negative image is affecting them.

It wasn't the first thing, but it was employed during the campaign to some effect - likely to be even more so now the SNP are looking to a hold another referendum, to Tory opposition. The prospect (yes, voters don't ignore it until it's actually happened), inflated by the Tories, was a problem for Labour at May's election when all the safe Blairites were in charge, and their image projection was carefully media-managed.

I do not see that a Labour minority government, dependent upon SNP acceptance that a Labour government would be better than a Conservative one, would be impossible.

The British hostility to Irish nationalism, in 1886-1914, was considerably stronger than English antipathy to the SNP. It did not prevent Liberal minority governments being formed in 1892-95 and 1910-14.

It's not impossible, no, but there's a reason the Tories ran with it.
25  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Labour Party leadership election 2015 on: September 19, 2015, 04:00:03 pm
I'm not saying Labour should loudly proclaim that they've given up on Scotland. And it sure would be nice if they could win back a few seats there as well. But I'm getting sick and tired of this bogus narrative that Labour absolutely needs to "reconquer" Scotland of they're doomed forever. That's a flat out lie and can be contradicted with basic math. Even if Labour had won every single seat in the entire Scotland, you'd still end up with Prime Minister Cameron, because he just won enough seats in England and Wales for an absolute majority.

So I don't give a crap if you don't want to have to deal with those nasty SNPers. The primary goal of any sane British leftist right now should be to stop the Tories before they completely wreck public services and the welfare system. If you're more concerned about something else, that means you're part of the problem.

Bloody hell, have you even been paying attention? It's not a case of not wanting to deal with "nasty" SNPers (I actually quite welcome their influence in parliament), but there was no doubting that association with the SNP, trumped up by the Tory press, cost Labour in SNP-phobic England, so how on earth does that help us fight the Tories? Yes, let's fight the Tories by losing Labour-leaning voters to them! Great idea.

Anyway, polls:

YouGov CON 39 (-2), LAB 31 (+1), UKIP 16 (+3), LD 6 (-1)
ComRes CON 42 (+2), LAB 30 (+1), UKIP 13 (=), LD 7 (-1),  SNP 5 (=), GRN 3 (-1)
Opinum CON 37 (-1), LAB 32 (+1), UKIP 14 (+1), LD 6 (-2), SNP 5 (=), GRN 4 (=)

Not exactly amazing, but not terrible either, considering this week's been dreadful. 
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