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626  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: New Opinion of Previous Poster's Signature Thread on: October 15, 2013, 01:42:47 pm
I preferred your other animals.
627  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Which Anglophone Conservative Party Candidate Would You Support on: October 15, 2013, 01:38:02 pm
none (not rich)

Are Jews too rich to vote for Ken Livingstone?

Are horses partial to a particular colour?

What TNF said.

628  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: How would you rank parties in Greece if it had IRV? on: October 14, 2013, 04:19:21 pm
Swedish Democrats

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629  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Which Current Communist State Do You Prefer? on: October 14, 2013, 11:06:13 am
Cuba.
630  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Geert Wilders on: October 14, 2013, 10:38:55 am
Seems to me the only people who buy his fairly transparent 'liberal' disguise are already sympathetic to his cause anyway. HP.
631  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: How would you rank parties in Greece if it had IRV? on: October 14, 2013, 10:05:49 am
You're becoming borderline obsessed with Golden Dawn, BRTD. Hardly an easy country to list - so keeping it to the main 7.

[1] SYRIZA
[2] KKE
[3] DIMAR
[4] PASOK
[5] ANEL
[6] ND
[7] XA
632  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Should able-bodied, mentally capable adults who receive welfare be required to w on: October 14, 2013, 09:54:50 am
Many don't really until their unemployment checks run out. Or they have unrealistic expectations. But that does not mean that I don't understand how tough it is to get a job for some, for the reasons we actually both have stated. Heck, my roommate looked for 18 months during this horrific recession, without success (other than an Xmas gig at UPS). He got a job finally about 4 months ago, and moved out last week. And I know he was looking, and looking assiduously. If he had not been, I would have kicked him out.

Let's try to keep it less personal OK?

If you don't want it to be 'personal', how about stop propagating baseless smears against the unemployed? Carry on in your current tone and you'll deserve all you get.
633  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Should able-bodied, mentally capable adults who receive welfare be required to w on: October 14, 2013, 09:52:04 am
No, that's how you assume I think of them.  I've actually been poor before.  I know poor people.  I suppose it makes you feel better if you think that's how I feel, but it's not the truth.

Well hang on, it wasn't me that peppered your original post with abusive terms that I think even the most unbiased of observers would describe as hostile and unsympathetic.

I've never been unemployed, but my wife was for several years.  Thankfully she's recently acquired employment again.  Again, your assumptions about me are wrong.  A pattern.

Much like you've been making assumptions about those receiving benefits? Sure your wife wasn't a lay-about?

Of course, again wrong.

How?

Perhaps your definition of "useful skill" is different than every other person on the planet.  Why would they need retraining if they have a useful skill.  Maybe you don't know what "useful" means?

Rather your belief in what's "useful" is predicated on its employability in an often irrational market. All those out of work builders for instance, amidst a housing crisis certainly have useful skills that aren't being utilised, and I'm sure many have took upon other work and/or training in the meantime. The idea that the market is the perfect arbitrator of what's useful is, again, a belief only found in delusional libertarians.    

and I have no problem with that, especially in a time of need.

A rare moment of agreement, then.


After, the comment I was replying to? Really?

I have no idea what you're going on about here.

Just informing you of the success rate and effects of workfare here in the UK.

My issue is with the people that spend their entire lives getting assistance without ever trying to get off.  But I'll concede the point as I'm sure that makes up less than 50% of those receiving help.

And I'm sure it's a minuscule amount that is regularly highlighted and used as a consistent tactic to further demonise benefit recipients, as undeserving poor.

Or you could word that "They'd be recieving the exact same unemployment entitlements as ever but now expected to work for a very small amount for them."

Will they be getting wages on top of their entitlements? No. So the net result is you're using the crash-induced mass-unemployment to force people, many who've paid social security, to now work for free.

I don't think "retaliation" means what you think it means.
Actually it does - I took personal offence to your horrific original post.
634  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: For US Liberals/Democratic Party supporters on: October 12, 2013, 12:13:55 pm
Ressurecting.
Surely there must be more people American Dems who'd consider themselves moderately conservative on a first-world democracy scale.

lol give it up. The only Democrats left supporting right-wing European parties these days are the likes of Walter Mitty and GMB.
635  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Should able-bodied, mentally capable adults who receive welfare be required to w on: October 12, 2013, 12:11:55 pm
Popping out of their office two times a day to delegate more of their duties and make sure you're run off your feet is the very essence of bourgeois morality.
636  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Bad music that you liked in middle school. on: October 12, 2013, 12:07:57 pm
'Nu metal' to my eternal shame.
637  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK General Election 2015 on: October 12, 2013, 11:04:41 am
No-one on this thread has mentioned the effect of Labour having Ed Miliband as leader will have on the result of the next election. Personally I think if his brother David had won the Labour leadership in 2010 and had made Alistair Darling shadow chancellor they would have walked into 10 Downing Street without even needing to campaign during the 2015 general election.

Ed's personal ratings are very similar to Neil Kinnock's.

If the leader of the opposition is not seen as a credible potential prime minister history shows they tend to lose general elections.

Just ask Micheal Foot, Neil Kinnock, William Hague and Michael Howard.

The exception to the rule is Hugh Gaitskell but that was over half a century ago and he unfortunately died less than two years before probably winning power at his second attempt in 1964.

 

One of those golden rules that people like to point out that isn't actually all that deserving. Thatcher was uncompetitive with Callaghan on leadership stakes, but the Tories were sailing away and of course won the general election handily. The rest never achieved consistent decisive VI leads (Foot and Kinnocks brief moments came undone with the arrival of SDP and Major respectively). 
638  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Should able-bodied, mentally capable adults who receive welfare be required to w on: October 12, 2013, 10:51:46 am
nope, but good job making up things!

Well exactly. You promote an economic system that doesn't guarantee work for willing people, and one that's prone to crisis and mass unemployment, and then sit there and blame them for their situation, and/or being feckless/stupid/scum.

Something I'm guessing you know a lot about.

Having to constantly argue against it, sure. Most people aren't so deluded as you and have had to face bouts of unemployment (many including workfare).

Is anybodies job "cleaning up the highway"?  I assumed it was all done by people on "community service".  And the guy whose job it is to fix the pot holes is WAY behind and could clearly use any help they can get.  I suppose we could just hire some of the people on public assistance if that makes you happy (it won't).

Presumably, unless America's already replaced all state workers posts with free labour, and in doing so rendered them unemployed earlier. I somehow doubt its a shortage of labour stopping roadworks, as well. But surely, if they're going to be working, then they should be paid a worker's wage?

Really?  Everybody has a useful skill?  Really?  I can't believe how stupid (insert whatever label you call yourself here...I know how you are your ilk are with labels) are.

Of course everybody has a useful skill, and could easily acquire more if the state helped them to - it strikes me that it says more about you libertarians who believe they don't than it does me. Also lol at tarring my ilk without even knowing what it is.

k.....

So replacing actual paid jobs with an army of workfare recieves a consequent employment success rate that's lower than before it was brought in.

cite?

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/06/03/average-length-of-unemployment-at-all-time-high/?_r=0

If you can show me where I said "make them work for free" that be great....impossible, but great.

They'd be recieving the exact same unemployment entitlements as ever but now expected to work for free.

Look, we get it.  You're a bitter asshole that doesn't understand your political opponents.  It's ok really.  It's a common disease.


Now I believe it's your turn to feel superior and be mean for no reason! Wink

Any mean spiritedness on my part is in retaliation and therefore with reason. Wink
639  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: GOOD POST GALLERY LEADERBOARD on: October 12, 2013, 08:06:42 am
how long did this take you (BK) to compile?

about 40 minutes, 10 of which was just waiting for pages to load

Should've clicked the print button, m8.
640  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of modern elite liberals in America on: October 12, 2013, 07:50:10 am
Prefer traditional left.
641  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Snowstalker Deluge of Absurdity, Ignorance, and Bad Posts III on: October 12, 2013, 07:35:41 am
That's where I'm at.  Maybe in another 50 years we will be able to support a certain percentage of the population as pure lay-abouts, but I don't think we've reached that point yet.  There are easy jobs that can be done by the welfare class that would only require a few hours a week (like 8 ) from the large pool receiving aid.  We don't have robots that clean trash on the highway, they can do that.  Same with pot holes in the roads.  I understand some of them have children that would need to be watched, well that's another job that needs to be done, child care for the working poor or those on aid out cleaning the spray paint off the underpass.  Whatever dumb guy labor that needs to be done.  I'd guess some of them might even have useful skills that can be put to use.  Hell, maybe it could even lead to real jobs....nah, that's crazy talk.

Why shouldn't they be asked to give a little back?
642  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Should able-bodied, mentally capable adults who receive welfare be required to w on: October 12, 2013, 07:28:01 am
What staggeringly offensive self-satisfied drivel.

Maybe in another 50 years we will be able to support a certain percentage of the population as pure lay-abouts

Oh, so we're aiming for full-employment, now, are we? lol Put in place an economic model that even attempts that and then you might have cause for the demonisation of the unemployed poor, but until then you sound like - as with most libertarians - an ill-informed idiot safely in a middle-class bubble of comfort opining about what must be done with the poor.

There are easy jobs that can be done by the welfare class that would only require a few hours a week (like 8 ) from the large pool receiving aid. We don't have robots that clean trash on the highway, they can do that.  Same with pot holes in the roads.

Ah, yes, those jobs already taken up by state workers - I suppose they'll be out of a job too, and treat like scum to your sort as well.

I'd guess some of them might even have useful skills that can be put to use.

'Might even' - how generous. They all do, but are stuck in an economy which doesn't utilise them.  

Hell, maybe it could even lead to real jobs....nah, that's crazy talk.

Yeah, or it might lead to less jobs around because companies and the state can rely on a reserve army of unemployed to do it without having to pay them. That's certainly what I found in my job - the store was critically understaffed, but could rely on a revolving door of unemployed (up to three at any given week, doing full-time work for two months) to fill the gap. The success rate of said workfare programme? 4%.

Why shouldn't they be asked to give a little back?

Well, how about:
1) most have been paying taxes for social insurances for this very occasion, so they have already been 'giving back'
2) because working for free is degrading and exploitative, given these people have little control of employment in a capitalist crisis.
643  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / Re: Members Most Likely To Shift Politically? on: October 11, 2013, 06:24:49 pm
cool story bro
644  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: opinion of this meal..... on: October 11, 2013, 01:30:16 pm
bad (produced by slave labor)
645  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: what did your first job pay? on: October 11, 2013, 06:12:42 am
The minimum wage at the time. I have no idea what that was.
646  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Winter is coming ! on: October 11, 2013, 06:07:58 am
647  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Laissez-Faire vs. Welfare State on: October 11, 2013, 05:38:59 am
[...]and Socialism only got a few votes from the far lefties.

20% - not a million miles away from the 34.3% you laissez faire lot obtained.

Yes, but with the massive amount of liberals on this site 20% of the vote is quite low.

Wut. Conflating liberals with socialists...
648  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Are you underemployed? on: October 10, 2013, 06:29:40 pm
As in enforced part-time? Yes.
649  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Laissez-Faire vs. Welfare State on: October 10, 2013, 06:25:26 pm
[...]and Socialism only got a few votes from the far lefties.

20% - not a million miles away from the 34.3% you laissez faire lot obtained.
650  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Countries where you'd be a swing voter. on: October 10, 2013, 06:07:24 pm
I'm probably a UK swing voter - but swinging between bothering or not.
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