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276  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton pledges constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United ruling on: July 16, 2016, 10:08:55 pm
She was already against Citizens United, I thought.
Promising to introduce an amendment is hardly surprising.
277  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump: the Congress must formally declare "World War" on: July 15, 2016, 03:16:21 pm
Well there goes the "less interventionist" myth.
278  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: You Can't Shoot An Idea on: July 15, 2016, 12:24:38 pm

Hubert Humphrey Delivers Powerful Speech at the DNC, 1948

  On July 6th, Senator Claude Pepper excused himself from the Democratic contest and endorsed Henry Wallace for president. The senator gave a brief speech on the matter, in which he stated, "Four more years of Truman will perish any glimmer of progressive change for a generation." That got the ball rolling. The CIO and ADA, expected to announce endorsements for President Truman, decided to hold off. Then, James Roosevelt announced his support for Henry Wallace. The exodus had begun, and the Democratic Convention was to take place in less than a week.

  Truman, at his weakest since his inaugural, was fuming. Aids reported that, upon hearing of Pepper's pronouncement, he slammed on his desk hard enough to alert the entire West Wing. Charles Ross, White House Press Secretary, struggled to find the right words to calm the press. Ross had been friends with Truman since his days in Missouri, but his charisma was proving to be most unimpressive. When reporters questioned how the president’s campaign was coping with men like Senator Pepper, Ross flatly answered, “The president does not take these endorsements likely.”

  Matthew J. Connelly offered up his two cents on the matter. Serving as a senior staff member for the president for some time, Connelly had been exquisitely adroit and capable when it came to coming up with a plan. Considering his options, as revealed in a 1975 CBS interview, “I pushed for a three-hour brainstorming sit-down. We considered every remote possibility, from offering [the vice presidency] to Wallace, as suggested by J. Krug, to asking Ike once again.” President Truman did not budge from his original plan, and instructed his staff to stay the course for now.

  The Democratic Convention opened its doors on July 12th at the very same Philadelphia venue where the Republicans had met weeks prior. Unlike the RNC, the atmosphere was grim with the unnerving feeling of defeat. Even the strongest Truman supporter could not ignore the polls: in which the president faced disastrous losses against Dewey in most states.

  Following opening ceremonies, the first major event to kick things off was a speech conducted by then-Minneapolis Mayor Hubert Humphrey. In it, he enthusiastically pushed for expanded rights for black men and women, exclaiming, “We must now focus the direction of [great] progress towards the realization of a full program of civil rights to all.” Receiving boos from Southern delegates, Humphrey continued on for a full nine-minutes, regardless. He urged the Democrats move with history and not fall into the shadows.

  President Truman made a phone call.

“My friends, to those who say that we are rushing this issue of civil rights, I say to them we are 172 years late.”
 - Hubert Humphrey
279  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: DNC Platform Drafting Committee member Cornel West endorses Jill Stein on: July 15, 2016, 12:19:18 am
Step in the right direction.
280  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary drops awful Pokémon Go reference on: July 15, 2016, 12:17:12 am
281  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Mike Pence on: July 14, 2016, 08:55:09 pm
Racist, homophobic, anti-worker- checks just about all of the boxes. HP.
282  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump announces Pence will be his running mate -- discussion thread on: July 14, 2016, 05:04:36 pm
Makes sense.

Had a hard time imagining Trump choosing anyone with any semblance of personality like Christie or Gingrich, y'know considering his ego and desire for the spotlight.
283  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: So is Hillary going to work on the honesty/corruption problem at all? on: July 13, 2016, 01:58:22 pm
I'm fairly sure she believes she doesn't have to because she's going up against Trump.
284  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: You Can't Shoot An Idea on: July 13, 2016, 10:39:11 am

The Republican National Convention, June 21st

  Chock-full of positivity and, as the Philadelphia Tribune called it, “razzmatazz,” the Republican National Convention gathered forth to begin the process necessary to nominate the 1948 GOP candidate. The music blared, the crowds cheered, and the temperature rose as the convention readied itself.

  Dewey still needed over two-hundred more delegates if he was to be guaranteed the nomination. Taft, ever relentless to hold to his post, refused to yield any of his delegates to any other camp. Even Harold Stassen, who for all intents and purposes was finished as a presidential candidate, did not relinquish control of his delegates when the voting began.

  Even though the tide seemed surely in favor of Governor Dewey, the very slim possibility that Taft could come out on top terrified the governor and his staff. Herbert Brownell Jr., having stepped down as the RNC Chairperson to work as Dewey’s campaign manager, sought to remedy this. Brownell worked tirelessly for weeks collecting data on every single delegate. He knew their family members, their secrets, and exactly what it took to entice them to vote Dewey.

  In his Pulitzer-winning memoir, What It Had Meant, Brownell described the situation at the 1948 RNC in the following words. “[Dewey’s nomination] was wrapped up tighter than that last gift under the Christmas tree.” Such was the advantage of working within the “Eastern Establishment” of the Republican Party. Having been ingrained so deeply within the political world, Brownell understood the ins and outs of “blanket politicking,” as he called it. After the first roll call took place, dozens of formerly uncommitted delegates fled to the Dewey camp: awarding him 515 votes.

  One of Taft’s closest advisers, Senator John W. Bricker (R-OH), opposed Brownell and attempted to turn the tables on Dewey. As one convention attendee, Thomas Reynolds, recounted years later, “We saw this sweating, fifty-something man sprinting towards a side door. Minutes would pass and he would pop out, adjust his tie, and sprint a few yards down out a second door.”

  Bricker scrambled to persuade delegates to rejoin with Taft. His offer was actually quite simple: As Truman losing was a guarantee, 1948 would be the one shot to elect a conservative president who could properly direct the expected further Republican takeover of Congress. Nine-tenths of these delegates were unmovable by the second ballot, and the Taft Campaign capitulated.

  The momentum was won for Dewey, and that was all she wrote. The task fell to John Bricker to concede on behalf of Robert Taft. He made his short address endorsing Dewey and solemnly walked off stage. Once Dewey’s running-mate, Bricker now ardently supported Taft for reasons which remain unclear. Even after he was instructed to speak on behalf of the campaign to endorse Dewey, Bricker wrote, “Out of spite, I had half a mind to accuse the [Dewey Campaign] of bribery.”

  Governor Earl Warren (R-CA) was chosen to be Dewey’s vice president after the commotion settled down.  Dewey was then unanimously nominated and he gave a resounding, presidential speech proclaiming a universal need for liberty and progress. Robert Taft would never truly be allied with Thomas Dewey, and immediately processed a plan to turn things around in his favor.

“In all humility, I accept the nomination” – Thomas E. Dewey
285  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton vetting retired Admiral James Stavridis for running mate. on: July 13, 2016, 10:35:12 am
what? why?
286  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Jill Stein attacks Sanders' Clinton endorsement on: July 12, 2016, 08:49:05 pm
Glad to see some clairvoyance in the twitterverse that isn't tainted with Berniebros.
It's a shame very few know about her candidacy. We'll see what happens.

It's OK - she might crack 1%... but I doubt it.

1% would actually be astounding.
287  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Jill Stein attacks Sanders' Clinton endorsement on: July 12, 2016, 08:23:58 pm
Glad to see some clairvoyance in the twitterverse that isn't tainted with Berniebros.
It's a shame very few know about her candidacy. We'll see what happens.
288  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Opinion of the dropouts: Bernie Sanders on: July 12, 2016, 05:45:01 pm
Meh FF SocDem
289  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Bernie Sanders is with Her - are you? on: July 12, 2016, 05:39:47 pm
#‎ImWithHer‬ ‪#‎JillNotHill‬
290  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: You Can't Shoot An Idea on: July 11, 2016, 12:59:21 pm

Claude Pepper Shaking Hands With Henry Wallace

  President Truman was not turning out to be the most "electable" candidate inching closer to the election. Polling from every corner of the country had the president losing to every Republican challenger by a fair margin. Splits began to deepen in the Democratic Party between loyal Truman supporters and those who wished to "Dump" Truman from the ticket.

  Within the party itself, a handful of Democratic bosses worked tirelessly to field a new candidate to challenge the “doomed” president. First this search targeted General Dwight Eisenhower, though he repeatedly and abrasively refused any intention to run. Chicago Democrats led by Jacob Arvey and New Jersey Democrats with Frank Hague sought a Truman alternative throughout most of the primary season. Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas was briefly courted, followed by Florida Senator Claude Pepper. The senator eventually agreed to run against the president, but struggled to maintain awareness with voters and was unable to form a coherent base in-between Truman and Wallace.

  Pepper, who had served as a senator from Florida for over ten years, was a fierce supporter of the New Deal. Spry and often at ends with his own party, the senator became known for his immovable liberal ideals which he vehemently fought for in Congress. Though he was somewhat of a purist, Pepper was no fool. He knew that he was unlikely to win the nomination for himself. It was rumored in early June that two major liberal organizations, the ADA (Americans for Democratic Action) and the CIO (Congress of Industrial Organizations) would throw support behind President Truman to fend off Dewey or Taft in the fall.

  James Roosevelt, eldest son of the late president and fellow member of the “Dump” Truman effort, urged Pepper to drop out if these groups withheld their endorsements. The Floridian senator, as referred by his own memoirs, was at this stage planning his exit from the race. With the clock ticking and the Democratic National Convention drawing closer, Pepper waited on baited breath for validation of these rumors. Luckily for him, an unexpected campaign announcement captivated attention away from the Democratic contest. Broadcasting across early television stations and public radio, Henry Wallace delivered one of the most highly significant speeches of his career on June 14th.

  “Now and forever I welcome progressives of all backgrounds and circumstances to join our fine party and hop aboard the fight to protect global security. [...] That being said, I cannot in good faith accept the endorsement of the Communist Party.” Wallace spent a hearty fifteen minutes of his stump speech exclaiming that he would not accept the CPUSA endorsement and reaffirmed his personal stance against Soviet espionage. Wallace made it clear that fighting for international cooperation was not the same as bowing to a foreign entity.

  The former vice president then rebounded to the offensive. As he stated, unlike Truman, "I have and will never order from my staff oaths of fealty." The candidate referred to such loyalty oaths as “dangerous” and propagandist in nature. Wallace proclaimed that he had faith in his supporters and staff without the need to request total surrender of independent thought. Wallace then restated his arguments that Truman was a “cautious conservative” who believed in halting the gains of the New Deal and pursuing his ongoing threats of military intervention.

  Shockingly enough, this concise speech brought about a semblance of positive press in its immediate reaction. Publications which had previously denounced Wallace’s campaign now stated their (partial) understanding with the former vice president’s positions. To be clear, he did not win any new endorsements from these organizations, but Wallace successfully thwarted this fear that surrounded his campaign from the beginning and likely saved his candidacy from the brink of collapse.

“Together, we shall win one final détente.” – Henry A. Wallace
291  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: You Can't Shoot An Idea on: July 10, 2016, 12:28:37 pm

Dewey-Stassen Debate

  Taft’s joining the race brought about a new plausibility: that Dewey could be defeated. Other candidates began showing their interest in the presidency, notably including former Governor Harold Stassen (R-MN). Known by some as the “boy wonder” of local politics, Stassen managed to spark up his campaign out of seemingly nowhere. His perceived liberal positions countered Taft’s staunch conservatism and made Governor Dewey look centrist by comparison. Stassen rocked the nation with primary victories in Wisconsin, Nebraska, and Pennsylvania: making it seem as though he was the new frontrunner. The Taft Campaign stressed Stassen's vagueness on controversial issues in an effort to thwart the governor's rise in the polls, but it had no effect.

  The former governor was expected to outshine Dewey once more in the Oregon primary, thereby begin paving the road towards the nomination. Dewey challenged Stassen to a radio debate on May 17th: the first of its kind. Stassen accepted after brief consideration. Broadcasting live on public radio, 40 million listened as the questions rang through. Initially, Stassen appeared to be holding his own. The chief question, whether or not it would be appropriate to outlaw the U.S. Communist Party, was handled skillfully by the Minnesota governor. He explained, "There is now no law in America to prevent these Communist organizations from... following their directions from Moscow." Stassen utilized fear in his argument. Dewey used logic.

  Sounding far more prepared than his challenger, Dewey retorted that the best way to defeat Communism as a credible ideology was through discrediting it out in the open. "My interest is in preserving this country from being destroyed by the development of an underground organization," Dewey explained. According to the New York Governor, censoring the party would only lead to heightened interest in it. Summing up his point-of-view, Dewey stated, "You can't shoot an idea with a gun." Stassen was unable to regain his foothold in the debate, and news organizations considered Dewey a clear winner.

  This debate rebounded the Dewey Campaign, resulting in a confident Oregon primary win against Stassen. The knock-out punch had landed, and Harold Stassen's dreams of becoming the '48 nominee were vanquished. Yet, Dewey still had Senator Taft to fend with. While Stassen’s momentum relied on primary victories to propel his ‘underdog’ persona, Taft had the respect of much of the Republican Party core to boost his nominating chances.  In this turbulent, 'transitionary' era, one could certainly become a presidential nominee yet lose every primary. Delegates made the call, and it took the RNC itself to settle the matter.

Reporter: "What's the outlook, governor?"
Dewey: "The outlook is excellent, sir."
292  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary Supports Public Option Within Obamacare on: July 09, 2016, 07:32:23 pm
Cue SNL Clinton becoming Sanders skit
293  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: You Can't Shoot An Idea on: July 09, 2016, 04:45:32 pm
Meta: Thanks everyone for the support! Hope you all enjoy the story. Will update as often as I can.

(Left to Right) James Byrnes, Harry Truman, and Henry Wallace Stand Together

  Harry Truman did not have the support of every Democrat, and that would be putting it lightly. Much of the public deemed Truman ill-suited to protect Roosevelt's legacy, and the current president's poor handling of the economy combined with an unpopular foreign policy shift towards permanent internationalism (such as participation in the UN) led liberals, especially, to back away. Many of these New Deal Democrats urged former Vice President and Secretary of Agriculture Henry A. Wallace to run against Truman.

  Once deemed the most "insightful visionary in the Roosevelt Cabinet" by New York Times political interpreters in the late 1930s, Wallace had since been largely ignored by the Democratic mainstream. A personal and professional rival to President Truman, Henry Wallace decided after much hushed, internal debate to run for president separate from the Democrats. Wallace’s third party became referred to by supporters as the Progressive Party: clearly inspired by Theodore Roosevelt’s 1912 party of the same name.

  Wallace himself, as exemplified in his exuberant speeches, was running against Truman chiefly due to the president’s steps towards solidifying animosity between the United States and the Soviet Union. Although Wallace himself was no Communist, he urged peaceful reconciliation between the two superpowers in hopes that the Second World War would be the last ever conflict of its magnitude. In this mission, in what may have been viewed as a misstep, the former vice president made it a point for his party to be as open as possible.

  This new Progressive Party (or “New Party” to some) did indeed prop its doors open for all kinds: including but not limited to anarchists, “admitted” Communists, liberals, moderate 'peaceniks', and even a handful of Rightist-Democrats. Many of Wallace’s supporters felt as though their candidate deserved the presidency after his position was taken from him at the ’44 DNC, where party bosses deemed the liberal vice president “too erratic” for the job of Commander-In-Chief. Now, helped along financially by the pro-Roosevelt NCPAC, or the National Citizens Political Action Committee, Wallace now had the means available for a full-throttle run against the two-parties.

  As would become immediately prevalent, most Democrats were flagrantly unwilling to support a third party, and the greater number of independently-leaning Americans considered Wallace a Communist-sympathizer. With a growing sentiment of hostility towards the Left in the United States, the Progressive Party did not have much of a chance at victory. The biggest fear among the public was that even if Wallace was well-meaning in his quest, the party itself was run by Soviet spies and American Communists. The CPUSA (Communist Party of America) even endorsed Wallace instead of fielding its own candidate. In this new era of chilled hostility with the Soviet Union, Wallace had no chance.

“I urge that we accept all people who wish for a peaceful understanding between the United States and Soviet Russia.” - Henry A. Wallace
294  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Gingrich: White Americans "don't understand being black in America" on: July 08, 2016, 07:06:26 pm
A semi-humanizing moment from the Grinch? Wonder how this'll play with Trumpettes?
295  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: You Can't Shoot An Idea on: July 08, 2016, 01:45:31 pm

The Two Major Republican Candidates: Hotel Roosevelt in New York 1948

  In an abundance of ways, New York Governor Thomas E. Dewey was the reverse of Harry Truman. Dewey studied at Columbia Law School, found lucrative success as a federal prosecutor on Wall Street, and rocketed to fame as he took down a handful of infamous gangsters. Dutch Schultz and "Lucky" Luciano were both brought to justice due to Dewey's excellent prosecuting skills, and this stardom led him to seek his governorship in 1942.

  Though he floundered in his 1944 presidential run, Dewey had been determined to defeat the weakened Democratic Party and announced his candidacy early in 1948. The Chicago Tribune printed in mid-March that Dewey was a "superstar" candidate. Everyone knew his voice, his distinct appearance, and his repeated success and efficiency as the Empire State’s leading voice. From establishing the New York University system to cutting taxes, Thomas Dewey certainly won favor with those who never before considered themselves Republicans.

  Even though President Truman originated from more modest means than Governor Dewey, Republicans never hesitated to compare how the two actually attained their posts. As Senator Everett Dirksen (R-IL) spoke to reporters during the Dewey Campaign, "If not for the benevolent persuasion of Boss Pendergast (a Missouri Democratic boss) we wouldn't have the slightest clue who this Harry Truman is. ... Tom Dewey earned his stake at the presidency."

  At first, public speculation had actually designated the two famed American generals face off for the presidency: Dwight Eisenhower against Douglas MacArthur. As the days rolled by, neither showed much interest in higher office. Eisenhower, especially, garnered much public interest for his political ambitions. Both parties worked towards winning Eisenhower to their side, but he remained firm in his decision and refused to reconsider. MacArthur, another war hero, did eventually indicate interest in a presidential run, but his inability to campaign for the nomination himself (being stationed in Japan) opened the road for others to join in.

  Dewey seemed a sure-bet going into early spring. His chief weakness was what muddled the road ahead. Dewey had a remarkable inability to appeal to conservatives. The governor approved of much of the New Deal, and did not outright reject any proposals to expand the power of social welfare or differ too greatly from Truman’s foreign policy. Therefore, Senator Robert A. Taft (R-OH) jumped into the fray. Unlike his chief competitor, Taft believed in abolishing the New Deal altogether and withdrawing involvement from the United Nations. As Taft himself exclaimed, the "Eastern Establishment" (moderate Republicanism) was nearing its end. This hard-line conservatism appealed to much of the GOP base, and the party was in for an intense primary bout between two bitter rivals.

"You really have to get to know Dewey to dislike him." - Robert Taft, 1948
296  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: You Can't Shoot An Idea on: July 07, 2016, 04:44:20 pm

President Harry S. Truman broadcasts to American troops, April 17, 1945.

Introduction: Sopping Wet and Shamed: The Face-Off of '48

  Famed biographer Robert Hugh Farrell wrote in his 1991 piece on President Truman that the "man from Missouri" had no presidential ambitions of his own. It would be more accurate to state that this position was more-so granted to him. Harry S. Truman was given the vice presidency merely as a means to dispose of one Henry A. Wallace. Truman's predecessor was considered far more a dangerous, liberal wildcard to the established elite and party bosses than a perceived know-nothing senator. Those in power hoped that Harry Truman, a gray-haired haberdasher and political lightweight, could be molded and shaped into a forthright successor to the great Franklin Roosevelt. When all was said and done, however, few were pleased.

  To be true, the new president had impossibly big shoes to fill. Roosevelt was treated much the same as President Lincoln was when he died: as a political deity. Truman, the man from Missouri with a great deal of luck, was inaugurated as the 33rd U.S. President on April 12th, proclaiming that he sought to preserve FDR’s legacy and end the war as soon as possible. In one of his first major initiatives, President Truman made the fateful decision to drop atomic bombs on two Japanese cities: Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Utilizing this novel power of nuclear fission, each weapon decimated thousands of innocent lives and brought the world to a screeching halt. This weaponry, never before witnessed on the global stage, had the power to eliminate cities in mere seconds. Similarly, to how Pearl Harbor became known as a “Day which will live in infamy,” the bombings of the Japanese cities were later referred to as “humanity’s darkest hour.”

  The usage of the bomb was highly controversial, with some including General Dwight D. Eisenhower arguing against the move prior to its use. As he and others warned, Japan was already willing to surrender to the Allied forces. The Japanese government had been stalling negotiations in hopes that the Soviet Union would act as a mediator. Instead, Russia overran their borders into Japan-held territory. Retired naval pilot James Giangreco wrote that, "the bomb was used with a clear purpose by the Truman Administration: to show the world (ie.; the Soviets) that the U.S. had untold power at its disposal."

  However, the reality that the war has finally reached its end overpowered any voices which demonstrated cynicism at the president’s actions. Some even went as far as to celebrate the atomic bombings. According to Fred Vinson, then Secretary of the Treasury to President Truman, the entire cabinet admired the president's decision. As mentioned in Vinson's autobiography, State Secretary James Brynes would mention privately that the usage of the bombs were a "just retaliation to Pearl Harbor."

  Still, the atomic issue overall did not turn out to be the game-changer that broke the tepid popularity of Truman. Truman oversaw the tumultuous shift in the American industrial sectors from a war-economy to a peace-economy. With a sudden drop in demand of raw materials, workers were laid off by the thousands. In response, the country saw the outbreak of a strike wave. This batch of labor strikes, unseen since the ramping up of the war effort, would eventually be stunted by a distinct lack in public support. President Truman did not play tiddlywinks while the economy shook beneath him. Knowing that retaining economic stability was his responsibility, Truman, in an effort to bring the Railroad Strike (the largest strike in 1946) to a swift end, half-joked in a speech, "I request the Congress immediately to authorize the president to draft into the armed forces of the United States all workers who are on strike against their government."

  The president failed to win over support. This economic turmoil was blamed on the Truman Administration and the Democrats in general. As a reflection of this along with other issues, the Republicans readied themselves for the Congressional midterm elections. Knowing that the political tide was beginning to shift, RNC Chairperson Herbert Brownell Jr. and his staff orchestrated a tagline clever enough to push voters to the polls. This line in itself proved instrumental in gathering the necessary momentum to bring to a staggering end 16 years of Democratic rule in Congress.

“Had Enough?” – Republican Party Slogan from 1946 Elections
297  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Libertarian and Green parties sue Debate Commission to be included in GE debates on: July 07, 2016, 01:10:44 pm
If Martin O'Malley (averaging 3-5% in the polls) was allowed in FOUR debates, I don't see why we shouldn't allow Johnson and Stein in a few.
298  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Most likely VP picks out of these? on: July 06, 2016, 07:19:16 pm
Unfortunately looking like the Grinch and 2% Milk.
Too bad too, cause a Jeff Sessions vs. Liz Warren cage-match would be killer.
299  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Reports: Sanders may endorse Clinton next Tuesday at NH event on: July 06, 2016, 07:15:19 pm
Will lose an immense amount of respect for Sanders should he endorse someone who represents everything he's been fighting against for decades.

So you'd gain respect for him if he blatantly lied instead? Because he's said dozens of times he would support the Democratic nominee.

Have Sanders lie once instead of endorsing a pathological liar? Yeah I'd take it.

Ah, that good old True Leftist principle strikes again. "It's okay, as long as a man does it!"

All politicians lie. In fact, all humans lie. St. Bernard is no exception.

Never could understand the mindset of you Hillary weirdos.
Y'all are honestly the worst at building support for your candidate.
300  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Reports: Sanders may endorse Clinton next Tuesday after meeting on: July 06, 2016, 05:25:45 pm
Will lose an immense amount of respect for Sanders should he endorse someone who represents everything he's been fighting against for decades.

So you'd gain respect for him if he blatantly lied instead? Because he's said dozens of times he would support the Democratic nominee.

Have Sanders lie once instead of endorsing a pathological liar? Yeah I'd take it.
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