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1  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is Donald Trump the next Jimmy Carter? on: Today at 06:47:49 am
Hillary has a chance of being the next Jimmy/Herbert, but not Donald.
2  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: "S.C. Gov. Nikki Haley signs bill banning abortion after 20 weeks" on: Today at 06:33:30 am
For better or worse, it was inevitable that South Carolina would join the bandwagon of States passing this. If Scalia hadn't kicked the bucket or if Trump unexpectedly wins in November, this sort of nibbling at abortion accessibility might win acceptance at SCOTUS, but if Barack or Hillary gets the next judge, these sorts of premature antics will hopefully cease for a while. We've got more important things to deal with than Culture War issues.
3  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Atlas Posters during the American Revolution on: May 25, 2016, 11:11:57 am
Taking potshots at redcoats at the Cowpens. Wouldn't have much reason to dislike the British dominion outside of regional pride, but would've been swept up by Marion's charisma and passion.

Marion is overrated and he wasn't at Cowpens, tho Pickens was. Marion never ventured far from his Pee Dee base of operations during his time as a partisan commander.
4  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Is Mormonism... on: May 25, 2016, 06:58:30 am
Are Unitarians Christians?  (I would say so).

Are Unitarians Protestants?

Seems like a parallel question despite the big differences between Mormons and Unitarians
Actually, there's less difference than you might think, at least in their formative stages. Classical Christian Unitarianism doesn't deny the existence of a trinity, just that the three personas are co-equal and co-eternal. However, Transcendentalism in the latter half of the 19th century reshaped Unitarianism to the point that while individual Unitarians can be Christian, Unitarianism as a whole is not. Universalism reached a similar end point to Unitarianism, which is why the largest Unitarian and Universalist associations merged a half-century ago, tho the path taken was different.
5  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Hypothetical: God is disproved on: May 24, 2016, 07:30:50 am
There is another angle to this and in fact Ernest, you just did it so it makes my job on explaining this easier Smiley! You demonstrated a ‘highly counterintuitive’ notion of god, when defending the concept. There is no physical, philosophical or scientific sword by which you can puncture god. There he has been moulded. There has been made untouchable.

But the untouchable doesn’t really provide succour does it? If you describe to someone the omniscient, omnipresent concept of god, you might impress them, but you will struggle to get the investment to sustain belief. So personal concepts of god have to be precisely that. You need the ‘minimal counterintuitive’ notion of god to make it tangible. To make the connection between the believer and the belief.

I suppose it depends on what you look for in religion. I'm looking for a guide, not a master. I'm not looking for a helicopter God who steps in all the time. I've come to appreciate the order that can be found in chaos. I realize many need a firmer conception of the Divine to find em believable, but that doesn't describe me. Incidentally, that love of the beauty to be found in chaos is precisely why I'm a theist. A deterministic universe has zero appeal to me.
6  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone IV - Hungover on: May 24, 2016, 06:46:11 am
We bought a kitten.

There is one major problem with kittens. They grow up to become cats.
7  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Which is right? on: May 24, 2016, 06:31:51 am
D is the only possible one, but it isn't really supported by the story. It's a poor question.
8  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: A small map of American colleges I created (in progress) on: May 24, 2016, 06:26:28 am
The SC technical schools are already included in the yellow star layer of both maps. Not sure if you have that layer unchecked or if I'm missing something Tongue

As I said in my first post in this thread, you only have the main campuses shown. But almost all of them have satellite campuses and those aren't shown on your map. For instance, besides the Beltline Campus of Midlands Technical College, there's also the Airport, Batesburg-Leesville, Fairfield, Fort Jackson, Harbison, and Northeast Campuses, each of which has their own focus area. (For instance, for the classes I'm currently taking, they'll all be at the Airport or Beltline campuses, and hopefully just the Airport campus, but if I were taking theatre classes, they'd all be at the Harbison campus where the theater is.)
9  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: A small map of American colleges I created (in progress) on: May 23, 2016, 06:33:24 am
Very nice work.

I see you have the Southern Illinois University branch campus at Edwardsville. Similarly there is a branch of Western Illinois University - Quad Cities in Moline. Northern Illinois University has a number of satellite campuses in Rockford, Hoffman Estates, Naperville, Oregon, and Chicago.

Quad Cities was on the second map, but thank you for the NIU info. Will look into that plus Sacred Heart Seminary. Not sure about the SC technical schools buy will try my best if they are public.

They are. It's a system of 16 schools that serve various combinations of counties.
http://www.sctechsystem.com/
You'll probably have to go to each school's website to find the satellite campuses but your map already has the main campus.

They are a combination of technical school and junior college, with a four tier tuition system, the lowest rate being for in-county students, then in-state, then domestic, then international. The state technical college system, along with our state educational television and radio networks are among the accomplishments Ernest Hollings achieved while governor.
10  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Hypothetical: God is disproved on: May 23, 2016, 02:16:00 am
Now that's a specific question. Still an absurd hypothetical in my opinion since it requires looking for a change in non-theological topics that no one feels the need to look for at present.

what?  What topics, and why is it "absurd" to engage a hypothetical that requires looking for a change in those topics because no one "feels the need" to look for such a change at present?

As previously stated, the topics of cosmology and physics. I feel those are the only fields of inquiry that conceivably could produce a proof that the Divine does not exist as they touch upon the subject of existence. But at present those fields of study don't require grand leaps forward that involve discarding large chunks of the current scientific framework in them. It would take such a grand leap to potentially have a disproof of God be developed. So even if there be a potential disproof, it won't be found. Hence the question is absurd as "What would your reaction be if it was shown that the moon actually was made of cheese?" as it deals with a hypothetical with zero chance of happening.
11  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The CrabCake Bureau of Funny Post Archival on: May 22, 2016, 07:37:29 am
Texas says it was just experimenting in college and that doesn't count.
12  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Hypothetical: God is disproved on: May 22, 2016, 07:33:30 am
First off, define "God". What exactly is your absurd hypothetical disproving?

That's not what he asked. He asked if god was disproved what would your reaction be?

He asked about God, not god. My reaction would vary considerably if he meant YHWH specifically, any generic anthropomorphic deity, any sentient personification of the Divine, or a complete disproval of any non-physical existence. Any proof beyond discovering the origin of a specific deity was definitively not as its adherents believe would likely require a complete reshaping of the current scientific consensus on cosmology and physics to achieve, which I just don't see happening, which is why this hypothetical is absurd. Science doesn't need to fundamentally reshape itself to answer any of the questions it has concerning those subjects, just better data.

I asked how people would feel and how they'd live their lives if somehow there was 100% concrete evidence there was no higher power and no afterlife.

Now that's a specific question. Still an absurd hypothetical in my opinion since it requires looking for a change in non-theological topics that no one feels the need to look for at present.

I can't say that my life would change all that much. While I do have a strong belief in the existence of the Divine and an afterlife, their non-existence would not affect the system of ethics I live by. There are all too many consequences in this life from engaging in evil for the lack of any possible effect in the next to alter my behavior. The main effect on me would be indirect from how religious institutions react to the proof.
13  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: A small map of American colleges I created (in progress) on: May 22, 2016, 12:21:04 am
The only obvious problem I saw for South Carolina was that for our technical college system, you're only including the location of the main campus.
14  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Atlas Posters during the American Revolution on: May 22, 2016, 12:15:34 am
From a religious identification standpoint, an independent America doesn't offer much hope. One of the purported motivators of anti-British sentiment was the granting of religious rights to Catholics in the Quebec/Ohio River Valley area. Handing the continent over to the more zealous Protestants doesn't seem a particularly wise choice.
It wasn't so much the religious aspect per se as the fact that the expanded Quebec did not have a legal system based on the common law and that it cut off land claims that the English colonies had made from being exploited by land speculators such as George Washington.
15  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Atlas Posters during the American Revolution on: May 22, 2016, 12:11:45 am
I would've been a Tory who eventually ended up in Canada.
Just like some of my ancestors. 
16  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Is Mormonism... on: May 21, 2016, 11:56:19 pm
We call ourselves Christian, we stick Christ in more places than the Middle East, and we literally have his name in our church's name, so yes, I would call us Christian but not Protestant or Catholic. We're something else, a primitivist or millenarian Christian church.
The usual term is Restorationist, tho the various Restorationist churches have little in common beyond a belief that they embody the restoration of the true church which was facilitated by their early leaders being gifted with abilities the mainline churches felt had been dormant since the apostolic age and that other churches are in error, even other Restorationist churches founded by other leaders.
17  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Hypothetical: God is disproved on: May 20, 2016, 09:44:45 am
First off, define "God". What exactly is your absurd hypothetical disproving?

That's not what he asked. He asked if god was disproved what would your reaction be?

He asked about God, not god. My reaction would vary considerably if he meant YHWH specifically, any generic anthropomorphic deity, any sentient personification of the Divine, or a complete disproval of any non-physical existence. Any proof beyond discovering the origin of a specific deity was definitively not as its adherents believe would likely require a complete reshaping of the current scientific consensus on cosmology and physics to achieve, which I just don't see happening, which is why this hypothetical is absurd. Science doesn't need to fundamentally reshape itself to answer any of the questions it has concerning those subjects, just better data.
18  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: It's a shame that so much $$$ is being spent on this election... on: May 20, 2016, 06:24:39 am
Compared to the amount of money to be affected by the outcome of the election, our elections are quite reasonably priced. I'm not worried by money in politics, but that so much of it is dark money from hidden sources.
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: IF, Trump wins FL, OH, PA. THAN, what state puts him over the top? on: May 20, 2016, 06:20:06 am
Having AZ as a toss up makes more sense than this map.
20  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: What does "topple over" here mean? on: May 20, 2016, 06:13:57 am
Topple is a synonym of collapse or fall. To topple over, collapse over, or fall over is to fall in a fashion that where you land is not directly below where the subject of the verb was standing but off to one side.
21  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Hypothetical: God is disproved on: May 20, 2016, 05:53:35 am
First off, define "God". What exactly is your absurd hypothetical disproving?
22  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Oklahoma Legislature passes bill Criminalizing abortion in most cases on: May 19, 2016, 09:54:02 pm
If this is one of those gambits to get Roe v. Wade overturned when this law is immediately challenged in federal court, someone should tell Oklahoma that the Supreme Court is not currently open for such shenanigans. 
Indeed, even if Trump somehow wins and names Scalia's successor, the best that they could hope for is 4-5,  and more likely the 10th Circuit strikes it down and SCOTUS doesn't even grant cert.
23  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: House Republicans switch votes at last minute to kill anti-discrimination amend. on: May 19, 2016, 09:48:36 pm
According to Hoyer's office, the vote switchers in question were Issa, Valadao, Denham, Walden, Walters, Poliquin, and Young.

Valadao, Denham and Poliquin are gone next year, then.
Valadao and Poliquin are not in districts where this vote is going to hurt them.. Not that an irrelevant vote like this would have an effect on a congressional race anyway.

Valadao is from a D+2 district with a growing Hispanic population.  Poliquin was basically a rental from the beginning.  Trump is on the ballot.  They're gone.
First question, have you been to ME-2 before, I was literally there last weekend and this was big Trump terrority there were a lot of social conservatives.
Just remember that back in the late 70's, TV Guide commissioned a poll to find out who was the most liked tv celebrity and the most hated. The same guy, Howard Cosell, led in both polls. In many ways, Trump is a modern day Cosell. Not that the analogy is perfect. I'd actually consider voting for Cosell.
24  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Girl, 5, suspended for a bringing a "gun" to school on: May 19, 2016, 06:52:44 am
Don't bring guns or gun look alikes to school and there won't be a problem. It's not that difficult.
Any one who could mistake that bubble maker for a real gun has some serious problems. Now, if it had been a toy gun, I'd be fine with the suspension, but not for bringing that toy to school. What's next, ending construction classes at vocational high schools because they can't use caulk guns? Banning glue guns from art classes?
25  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: I just found a $750/month one bedroom apartment in Brooklyn on: May 18, 2016, 05:01:11 am
Also in regards to high crime neighborhoods, to quote a girl from my church in a video she made:

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I have just learned to trust Jesus. When I'm parking my car in a neighborhood that may not be the best neighborhood I just know that He is right by my side.

Like a good saviour, Jesus is there!
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