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1  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Now Sean Hannity facing sexual harassment accusations at Fox News on: Today at 07:19:28 pm
I hate to sound like a apologist for him, but I'd like to remind the mob that it's a bit premature to start firing up the bonfire for Hannity.  Maybe start stacking some firewood, but not torching it yet.  So far it's a single case of he said, she said.  Unless others come forward, or at the very least she had been a regular guest of his show and then suddenly stopped being on it, I don't see how any prosecutor could hope to take this case forward.

Not only that, but under any other circumstance, I'm certain that the ones calling for Hannity's blood would be delighted he didn't invite her back, as her views have been of the sort that make conservatives look bad. For example, when Bin Laden was finally got, she blogged "1 down, 1.8 billion to go".
2  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: WaPo/ABC Poll: Most voters blame Trump/Republicans for first 100 days failures on: Today at 06:25:58 pm
Instead we have a government nearly as immoral as the Confederacy.  We might as well replace the 50 stars with the Flag of the Defense of Slavery for the next four years.
I must object. The Confederacy was not about the Defense of Slavery but the Promotion of Slavery into new lands that had not known it (Kansas) or had abolished it (Central America and Mexico). So please, cease your baseless propaganda on behalf of the Slavocracy. It may be milder than what it's apologists more commonly attempt, but it's still offensive. Doubly so because it sounds so reasonable compared to what is often put forth that it might ensnare otherwise thoughtful individuals into agreeing with it.
3  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Can a first lady be part of the cabinet on: Today at 06:15:21 pm
So was the law passed after the RFK appointment because he was JFK brother and he was Part of the cabinet
Yes, just as the 22nd Amendment was passed in response to FDR.
4  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: 2017 French Presidential Election - Predictions Thread on: Today at 08:45:14 am
More for the giggle than anything, since I've haven't paid this race close attention, a LePen/Melenchon runoff.
5  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: I'm a Christian Universalist AMA on: Today at 08:18:14 am
Or something else?
Something else, as I'm in the annihilationist camp. (A fairly small one among current day Universalists.)

To begin with, let me say that the only way I can reconcile the Divine's omniscience with our physical reality is to posit that the Divine exists outside of our physical spacetime frame of reference, with the emphasis on being outside time for the purposes of this point.  Hence when Christ went to Harrow the Dead during what for our frame of reference happened on the first Holy Saturday, I hold that he went outside spacetime to Harrow all the Dead as will/has happen(ed) to us all.

Now I also hold that omnipotence means the Divine can do everything that is possible to be done, not that everything is possible to be done. This means that the possibility exists that even outside the strictures of spacetime, there will be those who do not wish to be with the Divine. Hence, a loving God would see to it that such as those would be separated and hence for all practical purposes, annihilated.  The degree to which that annihilation occurs is not for me to say, nor would it necessarily be the same for all. By degree, I mean that utter destruction and utter separation would from the viewpoint of the faithful would both be equivalent to annihilation, despite only one being literally annihilation.

As for burning, I do think we're all likely to experience painful regrets for what we did that we should not have done and what we didn't do that we should have done. An actual Purgatory experience will be provided to those who need it, but those who don't need it will be given some other means of being brought into harmony with the Divine.  After all, why should only Buddhists have claim to the doctrine of expedient means?
6  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / I'm a Christian Universalist AMA on: Today at 12:27:27 am
In full, I'm a Christian Daoist Universalist, but I don't want to focus on the Daoist aspect of my beliefs in this thread.
7  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of the Unicorn Frapp from Starbucks? on: April 22, 2017, 01:54:07 am
Oddly enough, from reading the reviews, it's apparently not as horrible as I'd have thought it would be from the name alone.  I was fully expecting a sharpened peppermint stick to be part of the presentation as a faux unicorn horn.
8  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: So if you thought "My King is alive" was creepy, what do you think about this? on: April 21, 2017, 07:42:23 pm
LOL

This picture isn't accurate. Why isn't Trump's hand swiping Jesus' wallet?

Jesus doesn't carry one.  He uses Apple Pay. Grin
9  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: I'm a master's student in theology. AMA. on: April 21, 2017, 07:28:17 pm
Bonus, non-canonical: Protoevangelium of James: Mostly true events, but written by some insufferable hack who wanted to promote Mary even more than was deserved, presumably without her involvement because she never committed a sin.

Mostly true?  I fail to see how the Protoevangelium can be reconciled with the Gospels.  If the events that happened there had actually happened, there's no way that Joseph, Mary, or Jesus could have lived Jesus' early life in obscurity.
10  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Opinion of Alan Watts on: April 21, 2017, 07:20:02 pm
Slightly favorable.  I prefer my Daoism unadulterated by Buddhism, but at least he favored Zen over other Buddhist traditions.
11  General Discussion / Constitution and Law / Re: Marijuana Laws and the Supremacy Clause on: April 21, 2017, 06:53:41 pm
The slightly better version of the argument is that when a state not only decriminalizes marijuana but also enacts a comprehensive scheme regulating and taxing marijuana, that scheme undermines the federal regulatory scheme designed to prohibit marijuana and therefore the state regulations are preempted by federal law. Nebraska and Oklahoma tried to make a version of this argument in their suit against Colorado, but SCOTUS through out the case without giving an opinion.
If anyone has standing on that argument, it's the Federal government, not a State government.  The very last thing the court should be doing is ruling that a State has to alter its law to make it easier for another State to administer its own laws.
12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Pence: All options on the table wrt NK... except negotiations on: April 20, 2017, 07:15:25 am
You try negotiating with a guy who has been raised his entire life sheltered in an environment that constantly tells him that he is in fact a demigod.
Yeah, that's why Trump is a good negotiator.

Trump might be the one person who can somewhat relate to Mr. Un. Then again Kim's levels of narcissism probably dwarfs Trump's.
Mr. Un?  Should we call you Mr. Cratic?

More like Mr. Timmy.
13  General Discussion / Alternative History / Re: PC: some city other than NYC is the largest port on the East Coast on: April 20, 2017, 06:46:21 am
Pretty much impossible unless you have the boundaries of the US be considerably different.  The combination of the Hudson and Mohawk rivers gives NYC an advantage in connecting to the Great Lakes region over any other Northeastern port.  Unless part of that pathway remained in British control after the revolution, or contrariwise the revolution failed or was able to include Canada so that access via the St. Lawrence River valley was an easier solution, geography inevitably leads to NYC being the largest East Coast port.

Imagine no Erie Canal east of the Seneca River and the Chemung Canal plus the Western Erie helps make Baltimore the largest city.

Technically doable, but why would it happen? I can't see New York State building the Western Eire Canal without building the Eastern Eire as well. My point that you'd need considerably different political boundaries still stands.
14  General Discussion / Constitution and Law / Re: The Idaho "Death Zone", where one can't be tried for any crime on: April 19, 2017, 10:16:49 pm
Murder is a state offense.  There's nothing that would prohibit the Feds from waving jurisdiction and letting Idaho prosecute a murderer.  Furthermore, there's this:
Quote from: 18 U.S.C. 3238
The trial of all offenses begun or committed upon the high seas, or elsewhere out of the jurisdiction of any particular State or district, shall be in the district in which the offender, or any one of two or more joint offenders, is arrested or is first brought; but if such offender or offenders are not so arrested or brought into any district, an indictment or information may be filed in the district of the last known residence of the offender or of any one of two or more joint offenders, or if no such residence is known the indictment or information may be filed in the District of Columbia.

Clearly an area where it is impossible to follow the rule of the Sixth Amendment is outside of jurisdiction any particular State or district and thus would be assigned by that statute.
15  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: I'm a master's student in theology. AMA. on: April 19, 2017, 08:54:31 pm
A few more questions:

1) From a Protestant point of view, Catholic/Orthodox apologists often have this annoying tendency to give the farm away when it comes to higher criticism of scripture, but turn into obstinate fundamentalists when it comes to the historical evidence for 'their' traditions.

It's puzzling, because from my (admittedly biased standpoint), it seems like there is much better evidence for say, an early date for John's Gospel, than for early use of icons or prayers to the Virgin. How do you as a Catholic reconcile this apparent discrepancy?

I don't see it as a discrepancy mostly because I believe that there's both good evidence for a high view of Scripture and good evidence for an early origin for many Catholic/Orthodox traditions, or at least early things that developed into those traditions. For example, there's at least one extant Marian prayer that's probably from the third century--not the Apostolic Age, but pre-Constantine, so I'd still consider it "early Church". But, yes, I totally agree that there isn't high enough a view of Scripture among some of these people.

How early is "early" for John's Gospel? The dates I tend to hear are within the last decade or two of the first century--after the other Gospels, but easily within a somewhat-longer-than-average lifespan assuming the Apostle John was in his late teens at the Crucifixion/Resurrection. The most annoying historical-critical argument about Gospel dating that I've heard was from my Intro to New Testament professor last year, who insisted on a post-Roman-Jewish War date for Mark because Jesus prophesies the destruction of the Temple in Mark. I pointed out that, entirely ignoring the fact that she, an ordained minister, was presupposing that Jesus wasn't supernatural, it's far from out of the ordinary for radical preachers to prophesy disaster, so it shouldn't be surprising even to a thoroughgoing naturalist that Jesus predicted something that did in fact happen. She refused to respond and acted affronted that I'd questioned her even though one of our readings for the class made the same point I had, and I left class that day with deeply mixed feelings about coming to BU for my theology degree.
Good grief. One only needs to look at what was found at Qumran to realize that there were Jewish sects back in Jesus' day that were predicting the destruction of the temple. To use that as an argument for dating Mark as post-First Jewish Revolt simply doesn't hold water.
16  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: UK General Discussion Thread: mayy lmao on: April 18, 2017, 06:56:39 am
I'm disappointed. If she had to call an early election, it should've been a May election, not June. 😁
17  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Most Disgusting Food that People Enjoy on: April 17, 2017, 10:01:10 pm
My brother when he was a teenager was fond of what he called a slimewich.  Peanut butter, bologna, and pimento cheese on white bread.
18  General Discussion / Alternative History / Re: PC: some city other than NYC is the largest port on the East Coast on: April 17, 2017, 09:45:04 pm
Pretty much impossible unless you have the boundaries of the US be considerably different.  The combination of the Hudson and Mohawk rivers gives NYC an advantage in connecting to the Great Lakes region over any other Northeastern port.  Unless part of that pathway remained in British control after the revolution, or contrariwise the revolution failed or was able to include Canada so that access via the St. Lawrence River valley was an easier solution, geography inevitably leads to NYC being the largest East Coast port.
19  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: The Mormonism Thread 2.0 on: April 16, 2017, 08:49:13 pm
We also had a plan in the 1960s for a temple-ship that would sail around Asia and Oceania, providing temple services to members across the Pacific, but that plan was scrapped for various reasons.

Why would a church that some accuse of being a cult want to avoid having a sea organization? 😝
20  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump: I once considered NATO "obsolete," now I dont. LOL ! on: April 16, 2017, 08:19:00 am
Trump's 2020 Campaign Slogan: "Whoever knew _____ was so hard?"
21  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Markwayne Mullin (R-OK): "It's 'bull crap' that constituents pay my salary" on: April 16, 2017, 08:15:59 am
     Trying to decide who pays for what is a fool's errand. Taxes perform the function of splitting the taxpayer from the service being funded. I could claim to be partly funding the National Park Service, and there would be nobody to confirm or deny that.
I deny it. What is true that no one can prove or disprove such claims, yet I will confirm that your tax dollars went to the National Endowment for the Humanities. </grammar alt-right>
22  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: South Korean military reporting NK tried to launch a missile and it failed on: April 16, 2017, 07:44:53 am
Apparently, the missile blew-up immediately after launch.
LOL.

Hey, at least it actually got off the ground, unlike a test they did quite a few years back when the missile apparently fell over.

Now that would have deserved a double LOL.
8-)
Here you go.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JK6a6Hkp94o
23  General Discussion / History / Re: Second most powerful Communist Nation during the Cold War? on: April 16, 2017, 06:59:18 am
One could argue that the Soviet Union was. After all the People's Republic of China was willing to engage the west directly in Korea and without Mao's support it's doubtful that Hồ could have succeeded in Vietnam.
24  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Nevada just voted to ratify the Equal Rights Amendment; first state since 1978. on: April 15, 2017, 05:03:06 pm
If Congress has the authority to alter the deadline, then clearly States have the authority to withdraw their ratification before an amendment becomes part of the Constitution. So either 0 or 31 states have currently ratified the ERA.
25  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: DeVos undoes Obama student loan protections on: April 15, 2017, 07:27:19 am
I believe acts like this go beyond mere ignorance or lack of understanding. Something more sinister is going on. I think some very wealthy people, like DeVos, are driven in part by contempt. They enjoy the thought of the poor (and middle class, in some cases) struggling, and feel as though they deserve it.
How is that sinister? Rigid social hierarchy is the natural order, although admittedly it is rather vulgar to have one without a monarchy and landed nobility.
The more you post, the more horrified most sane people get.

Actually, no. I've realized that causing outrage is exactly what Santander wants, so I'm not gonna give him the satisfaction. The only emotional reaction worth gracing him with is contempt.
If you think that's his motivation, it seems to me that pity would be more appropriate than contempt.
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