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1  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Phil Robertson Goes off the Deep End on: Today at 07:24:58 pm
Until I clicked the link, I was thinking you were referring to Pat Robertson.
2  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Dakota vs Carolina vs Virginia on: Today at 07:22:03 pm
Write in: New Jersey.
3  General Discussion / History / Re: Moses, Hebrews leaving Egypt, etc. - backed up by other histories? on: Today at 07:12:45 pm
Perhaps,  Pi-Ramses is an indication of when the text was written and not when the events occurred.  The proximity of Pi-Ramses is where the more ancient metropolis of Avaris was - home to the Semitic peoples (I believe the Israelites). 
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 Its like Gath of Goliath - 25 years ago there where multiple potential sites & no one knew where it was.  Today the location is identified in writing by the village that sits atop the ruins.

While the exact location and name of Pi-Ramses at the time of a historical Exodus is debatable, its location on the eastern edge of the Nile Delta is not, and that is what is important to my argument against a historical Exodus happening during the Eighteenth Dynasty.

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   As an aside, when in the times of Joseph iron chariots are mentioned for Egypt, I believe that it was a declaration of the incredible wealth of Pharaoh.  In those days, iron was more valuable than gold.  In Joshua's day the Hittites built their weapons and chariots from carbonized iron (STEEL) and it showed militarily superior technology -- and the Israelites could not overcome them.

Joseph?  Iron is not mentioned at all in relation to Joseph, nor are iron chariots mentioned until Joshua is invading Canaan.  This is not the first time you have made an incorrect claim in this thread as to what is in the Bible in order to support your theory.

In the days when iron was more valuable than gold, it was when only meteoric iron was available.  Once early smelting began, iron became cheaper than bronze, largely because the iron resulting from primitive smelting was softer and less durable than bronze. It wasn't until the chaos of the Bronze Age Collapse when all available bronze was needed for military purposes that people started using iron in quantity.  That increased familiarity led to the development of steel.  However the Bronze Age Collapse happened after the Eighteenth Dynasty.
4  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: What color is this dress? on: Today at 08:25:58 am
Looks like this dress has attracted the notice of xkcd: http://xkcd.com/1492/
5  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Oldiesfreak Theatre of Absurdity, Ignorance, and Bad Posts V on: Today at 07:53:34 am
True Federalist is the only one who deserves a vote.

Even I thought that was absurd.
6  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Favorite country starting with "H"? on: Today at 07:51:32 am
Honduras.  Our school had the country at Model UN.  I recall Model UN very well for two reasons,  We did it for the first time in my senior year and at our state's model UN, we had an idiot school playing the US government so as to fulfill the nightmares of the John Birch society and practically hand everything over to the trustworthy Soviets.  (And this was during the Reagan administration.)
7  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: What color is this dress? on: Today at 07:43:48 am
Light blue and dark gold, which suggests my screen doesn't have as much contrast as those who see it as black and white.  That people are seeing it differently on different screens is no real surprise.  Even in real life actual objects appear different in different light conditions.  My girlfriend has this brown sweater that looks purple in low light conditions.  It's not at all unusual for things to look different under fluorescent and incandescent lights, let alone sunlight.
8  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: How excited are you (1-5 scale) that Bushie has a job at a grocery store? on: February 26, 2015, 11:24:05 pm
I just hope the job lasts long enough to reach Season XXII.
9  General Discussion / History / Re: War of 1812: Win, Loss, or Draw for America? on: February 26, 2015, 11:21:12 pm
America stopped having sailors impressed for foreign navies, so that's a plus.

That was more because with the Napoleonic Wars at an end, the Royal Navy no longer needed to impress sailors to fill the ranks.

still, the Brits never tried that one again though, did they?

They never had the need again.  By the time their next major naval war was fought, their limiting factor in naval war was capital, not labor.
10  General Discussion / History / Re: War of 1812: Win, Loss, or Draw for America? on: February 26, 2015, 10:12:08 pm
America stopped having sailors impressed for foreign navies, so that's a plus.

That was more because with the Napoleonic Wars at an end, the Royal Navy no longer needed to impress sailors to fill the ranks.
11  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Which Dakota do you like more? on: February 26, 2015, 08:14:58 pm
East Dakota
12  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone III - The Whinge Binge on: February 26, 2015, 08:13:16 pm
Just got into the Queen's M.Ed program! Pretty great birthday present. Cheesy

I hear Elizabeth is a pretty strict grader.
13  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Star Trek on: February 26, 2015, 04:54:31 pm
Gene only backed off because of his stroke.  If he'd stayed healthy I doubt TNG would have lasted seven seasons.
14  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Which of the following citrus fruits do you like most? on: February 26, 2015, 04:51:43 pm
Orange you glad to have citrus fruits?
15  General Discussion / History / Re: Moses, Hebrews leaving Egypt, etc. - backed up by other histories? on: February 26, 2015, 02:38:32 pm
Federalist,
    There is strong evidence that the Philistines occupied and saturated Gath by 1200 BC.  So it seems very likely that they inhabited that area as early as 100years prior to dominating and saturating the region.  Joshua in 1300 - 1350 encountered them in Caanon/Palenstine/Gaza.

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   Perhaps like the English inhabitants of James Town, before the English dominated the region a 100 years later.
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   Probably migrations/dominance took longer in those days, so 100 years before dominance and saturation of a region seems quite probable.

color, regardless of the exact date, Eighteenth Dynasty Egypt dominated not only the future Philistine Pentapolis, it dominated all of Canaan.  Pi-Ramses and Pi-Atum would not have been on the borders of Egypt then as described in the Bible.  That is why if Exodus is historically based it must be after the Eighteenth Dynasty.
16  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Death Penalty Support Poll on: February 26, 2015, 09:26:55 am
Only for Prince George of Cambridge.
17  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Ignoring age, Would you be able to vote under these qualifications? on: February 26, 2015, 02:42:02 am
The Maryland provision says property, not real property, so I would assume it includes personal property that could be subject to tax, such as vehicles.
18  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Star Trek on: February 26, 2015, 01:36:02 am
Well, I just finished season 2, so it seems like the -real- stuff is about to begin. Wink

Besides a few good episodes like "Q who", the season's ending was pretty dull. The last episode in particular was an utter mockery. It's easy to see they had to rush in to complete it.

But anyway, now I'm looking to be impressed. Smiley
Was that the one with the evil bugs that latched onto people and mind-controlled them (or was that the season 1 finale?) and had a plan to take over the Federation? I always found it funny how they never followed up on that plotline.

The bugs were the penultimate episode of season 1 and were a hastily conceived means of ending a storyline that Roddenberry vetoed about a potential coup within Starfleet by having it be due to an alien parasite.  Roddenberry's insistence that the Federation be perfect was a major weakness of TNG's first season.  The Borg, who were hinted at in the season 1 finale, proved to be the principal villain for TNG and once established, there was no need to revisit the bugs.  There had been some thought to making the bugs be agents of the Borg, but that was at the stage where the Borg were going to be an insectoid race rather than the cyborgs we came to love and fear.  Once the Borg were cyborgs, it wasn't possible to tie the two together and there was no role the bugs could play that the Borg couldn't do at least as well.
19  General Discussion / History / Re: War of 1812: Win, Loss, or Draw for America? on: February 26, 2015, 12:51:35 am
A win for the simple reason that we got both The Star Spangled Banner and Andrew Jackson as a result of it.

Fixed.

But seriously, I voted draw.

Obviously you are tone deaf.  To be fair Francis Scott Key didn't pair up his poem with that tune, and that tune isn't bad for a singer trying to show their chops, but it's horrible for an anthem intended to be widely sung.
20  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Favorite country starting with "G"? on: February 25, 2015, 08:02:39 pm
Ghana
21  General Discussion / History / Re: Moses, Hebrews leaving Egypt, etc. - backed up by other histories? on: February 25, 2015, 01:24:02 pm
Federalist,  I think is it known that the Hittites & their precursors already had iron technology at the time of Joseph.  It makes (sense to me) that they knowing the superiority of iron vs copper or bronze used it to plate their wooden chariots.  Most likely iron chariot wheels came much much later.  But iron plates would have been easy to make for the wooden chariots and would have given them a military advantage.  Egypt being the world power in the levant would naturally have purchased these plates of iron to put on their wooden chariots. 
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   Anyway that seems logical to me.

Actually, in many ways early iron is inferior to bronze for warfare.  Cast iron is brittle.  Wrought iron is malleable.  Iron is far more susceptible to oxidation than bronze. It isn't until early steel begins to be produced that it begins to be the equal to bronze or for that matter the superior.  Those techniques as well as iron becoming more common than bronze doesn't happen until the Bronze Age collapse which is after the XVIIIth Dynasty.

From Wikipedia: The Hattic were the precursor people to the Hittites of Joshua's day.

One of the earliest smelted iron artifacts known is a dagger with an iron blade found in a Hattic tomb in Anatolia, dating from 2500 BC.[10] About 1500 BC, increasing numbers of non-meteoritic, smelted iron objects appear in Mesopotamia, Anatolia, and Egypt.

From that same Wikipedia article you failed to identify:
Although iron objects from the Bronze Age were found all across the Eastern Mediterranean, they are statistically insignificant compared to the quantity of bronze objects during this time.

As that same article explains further on, iron doesn't begin to appear in quantity anywhere until the trade routes needed to bring together the components for good quality bronze were disrupted, i.e., as part of the Bronze Age collapse.  That collapse basically forced people to start working with iron and as a result discover how to improve it to the point where it was indeed superior to bronze.

Also I note, that you totally ignored my point concerning the mention of the Philistines in Exodus.
22  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Are you concerned for Joe Republic? on: February 25, 2015, 07:57:29 am
I don't know what I would do if Tender Branson announced he was coming here.
I know what you shouldn't do in that case.  Under no circumstances should you hide in a basement.  You might never get out.
23  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: State rep, county party chariman etc. said something stupid - The Megathread on: February 25, 2015, 12:23:54 am
It's not total bunk, just 99.99% bunk.  It wasn't all that long ago you would have been considered a quack to suggest you could treat most stomach ulcers with antibiotics.  We already know of some cancers that are caused by viral infections, so it's not impossible that some could be due to a fungal infection.  Of course, as far as I know, no cancers have been shown to be caused by a fungal infection, but I wouldn't say it is impossible, and it's even more possible that a fungal disease might be able to take advantage of an immune system compromised by cancer or vice versa.
24  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Favorite country starting with "F"? on: February 25, 2015, 12:17:45 am
Finland!!!!!!(Finnish, 25% sane)
FTFY Wink
25  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What's your French Revolutionary Calendar birthday? on: February 25, 2015, 12:15:06 am
28 Thermidor CXCVIII

We are a very Thermidorean forum so far!
Actually, it's slightly more Germinal than Thermidor (8 to 7).  Still it is odd that we're so concentrated in those two months.
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