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1  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Study Finds Religious Children Are Meaner Than Their Secular Counterparts on: September 20, 2017, 10:16:08 pm
I don't get the point of the not-enuf-stickers test. Were they testing to see if the kids only shared with friends? If so, I hope they controlled for how many friends they had. For that matter if not everyone can have one, not sharing might be the compassionate thing to do so as to avoid hurt feelings because of who did and didn't get them.
2  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Austroposting Is Bad on: September 20, 2017, 07:19:15 am
But notice how Austrian electricity prices are the same as the EU average.
Clearly Austria is a representative microcosm of Europe as a whole. Just as we in the U.S. once asked "will it play in Peoria" those in the EU must now ask "will it play in Salzburg".
3  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Israel general discussion on: September 18, 2017, 04:57:29 pm
Are there any other religious groups in Israel that get such a ludicrously unsustainable sweetheart deal?
4  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Motel 6 outs guests to ICE on: September 18, 2017, 05:39:08 am
Seems dumb from a business standpoint to reduce repeat business.
5  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Georgia Tech Student Activist shot dead by campus police on: September 18, 2017, 05:37:07 am
How is it at all relevant that he was an LGBT activist, aside from muh identity politics.  Is it believed the police were targeting a gay?

They weren't targeting anyone. They were responding to a call that he was carrying a gun. Turns out he was carrying a knife, and when they tried to get him to drop the weapon, he dared them to shoot him. They obliged.

That's no excuse to shoot him dead. They could've easily neutralized him and contained the situation without taking his life. This is simply excessive use of force.

And how do you propose they do that without being stabbed?

There's this amazing thing called the human body and there are many places on it where a person may be shot that'd inflict enough pain to neutralize them without inflicting a fatal wound. A competent, well-trained police officer would've been easily capable of making such a shot at that range without endangering himself either.

The idea that it's easy to shoot to wound is a Hollywood fiction.
6  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: New Mexico Doesn’t Want Your Kids to Know How Old the Earth Is on: September 16, 2017, 09:01:06 pm
Sh*t like this is why reeducation camps are necessary.

I somehow doubt rounding up your opponents and putting them in camps is the most effective way of dealing with young earth creationists.

It is more humane than just shooting them. </bad joke>
7  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Non-political 2017 Atlantic Hurricane Megathread on: September 16, 2017, 08:54:36 pm

Perhaps there was a good reason the island was uninhabited? Barbuda never fully recovered from Luis in 1995. It was already too small in size and population to support much of a tourist trade, and that's the only marginally viable economic use of the island these days. It would be cheaper to relocate everyone and give them $100,000 each in seed money than to try and rebuild. I also think it would be kinder than sending them back to face another major hurricane in a decade or three.
8  General Discussion / History / Re: Nazi leaders' delusions in 1945 on: September 16, 2017, 03:14:36 pm
Also, keeping Prussia around as a viable counterweight to the Habsburgs is a perfectly reasonable thing for Russia to want then.
9  General Discussion / History / Re: Opinion on Magdalene laundries? on: September 16, 2017, 02:56:34 pm
Horrible for continuing the mistaken notion that Mary Magdalene was a prostitute.
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Non-political 2017 Atlantic Hurricane Megathread on: September 16, 2017, 02:54:15 pm
Looks like Maria (currently TD 15) is going to make life even more miserable for the folks trying to recover from Irma in the Leeward Islands.  At least it's only supposed to be a Cat 1 by the time it gets there.
11  General Discussion / Alternative History / Re: MLK survives assassination, is elected President in 1972 on: September 16, 2017, 02:30:24 pm
This thread isn't about IF he could be elected.

It's about what would happen in a MLK presidency in the 70s, and how the history of the US would be changed.

To a large extent, that's dependent upon how he managed to pull off the miracle of getting elected in the first place.
12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Non-political 2017 Atlantic Hurricane Megathread on: September 14, 2017, 04:04:58 pm
To illustrate how powerful and widespread the impact of Irma was, here in Atlanta -- which received a MUCH much lighter impact than Florida did -- there are still tens of thousands of people without power, and several of the area school systems are still closed (although the majority have reopened).
Lighter impact, but I doubt Atlanta has put much thought into preventing or recovering from hurricane damage.
13  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Police: Woman shot homeless man who asked her to move Porsche on: September 14, 2017, 04:03:13 pm
Looks like she could play Harley Quinn in a future movie or TV show.
14  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Ars: Kaspersky software banned from US government agencies on: September 14, 2017, 04:01:58 pm
I've avoided Kaspersky for years, not because I was worried about the Russian government but because I was worried about Russian gangsters.
15  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Marty Memorial of Absurd & Ignorant Posts VII on: September 12, 2017, 11:51:26 am
This is so exaggerated.  The only reason GA-6 was close this last election was because of Trump.  If the GOP had nominated anyone else, he/she would have carried that district by a wide margin, and probably most of the other R-leaning suburban enclaves that swung/trended D.

That said, the GOP has had a big problem with suburban voters since the 90s due to the rise of religious and social conservatives in the party.

If you subscribe to the idea that Trump has accelerated trends already in-progress (of which there is a good argument for), then there is no guarantee GA-6 will go back to where it was before. History is rife with examples of presidents pushing certain regions into the arms of the other party. Usually they just act as a catalyst for existing trends.

The Democrats spent Record amounts of money on Georgia 6 and had a very good candidate and the GOP had a very mediocre candidate and spent about 1/2 as much and still won. Trump was an awful switch for Texas, Virginia, Georgia and Colorado. The fact that Texas and Georgia did not become competitive under these ideal conditions means that they will be Solid Red States for the foreseeable future. 

Dems spent about $2 mil more than the GOP in GA-6 when add all the numbers up, not 1/2.

"Trump was a bad fit" is becoming an increasingly leaned on excuse for Republicans on this forum,  it fits their narrative virtually anywhere they want it to.   

Well its kind true. Look how well Trump did in the midwest and north east, and look how abysmal he did in the south. 6/11 of the swings against him were in the south (Arizona, Utah, Texas, Georgia, Maryland, and Virginia), while out of the 5 that weren't in the south, 4 were democratic states. I understand demographics and all, but going from an 18 to 9 point victory in Texas is down to many factors.

Calling not only Arizona, but freaking Utah southern states.

There's a fair amount of truth there as far as Arizona is concerned. A lot of the initial settlers were ex-Confederates and it was subject to preclearance under the VRA before Section 5 was struck down.
16  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Christians Only: What denomination are you? on: September 12, 2017, 12:10:47 am
I'm a member of a UU church, which while not a Christian-only church is agreeable to a Christian Universalist such as myself. However, I'm also a regular attendee at two separate ELCA churches and a UMC church, as well as a scond UMC church I attend at least yearly because it's my childhood church but would otherwise not attend.
17  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Rand Paul Wants To Abolish The Americans With Disabilities Act! on: September 11, 2017, 12:12:40 am
Which isn't far. The only things changed in my views here by the rise of Trump are to that I doubt we'll reach the point in my lifetime where more than the repeal of Title II can be considered and that until Trumpism is defeated we'd be better off not touching even Title II lest the racists think it happened because society as a whole is starting to agree with them than because Title II isn't needed now anywhere close to as much as it was needed in 1964.
18  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: House sends $15 billion Harvey aid to Trump despite boos, hisses from Repubs on: September 10, 2017, 08:01:56 am
Good that conservatives are showing their true Hamiltonian Jeffersonian faces on this thread with the deep hatred of the common person and the instrument(democracy) ordinary people have to wield power over the "natural elite". As  if "elites" have ever been more prescient with their votes than the common man!

But no conservatives - despite the reference to the Founding Fathers - despise the egalitarian ideals of the Enlightenment, and are terribly embarrassed their country was formed from such values. They would prefer to bootlick the British aristocracy.


Jefferson's "democracy" wasn't the liberal version envisioned by the word to today, but more along the Athenian model where a privileged elite of property owners were equal. Hamilton on the other hand was primarily a nationalist. He wasn't as concerned who ruled as whether the proto-nation that was the United States could be kept together despite the diversity of lifestyles and customs between the various sections. He thought a monarch (be he a king or a president) would provide part of the necessary glue, but he certainly would have supported the national government as a whole providing aid to individual regions to deal with particular concerns beyond their immediate ability to cope with.
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Bannon: Catholic Church needs lillegal aliens to fill the churches on: September 09, 2017, 04:32:32 pm

Usually they weren't quite that logically inept.  Usually you had to go several pages to find a logical contradiction., not the very next page.

There is no God.
Morality can come only from ourselves or God.

Therefore, we can be God.

Not only does the result not follow from the premises,  it directly contradicts one of them.
20  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Non-political 2017 Atlantic Hurricane Megathread on: September 09, 2017, 02:11:36 pm
It's way too early to be certain of anything other than Jose doing a loop-de-loop. Various models have it going anywhere from Key West to St. John's, Newfoundland after completing the loop.
21  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Bannon: Catholic Church needs lillegal aliens to fill the churches on: September 09, 2017, 08:44:35 am
Never heard of this guy but he sounds horrible.
Chick tracts are horrible if you take them seriously, but quite humorous if you don't, which is why I find them funny.
22  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: House sends $15 billion Harvey aid to Trump despite boos, hisses from Repubs on: September 09, 2017, 08:28:20 am
To be fair, it's not the Harvey aid that most of them were objecting to, but raising the debt ceiling without being able to extort a cut to some part of the budget.
23  General Discussion / History / Re: Was Genghis Khan a socialist? on: September 08, 2017, 09:07:54 pm
Clearly an anarchist rather than a socialist, tho possibly a left-libertarian.
24  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Non-political 2017 Atlantic Hurricane Megathread on: September 08, 2017, 09:06:32 pm
Thankfully it looks like Jose won't actually landfall on Leewards.
25  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Virginia bars voting machines considered top hacking target on: September 08, 2017, 08:53:39 pm
I suppose just like we buy schools buses other states are retiring, South Carolina will now be able to pick up some voting machines on the cheap.
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