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1  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: 1000+ riot police evict punks, anarchists & leftists from occupied Vienna house on: Today at 02:17:12 pm
1 police officer was moderately injured when an occupier dropped a TV-set onto him from a window.

So mom was right when she said being too close to a TV set could harm me!
2  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of this quote on: Today at 02:15:48 pm
Why are you so unwilling to acknowledge that the fact that the settlement construction continues is a pretty big red flag that Israel has no interest in negotiating?

You can't very well negotiate with a government completely divided into ideologically disparate camps.  If you Hamas refuses to keep the Palestinian Authority's promises, that makes things very difficult.  And, yes, the Israeli right wing is increasingly a huge problem and they're terrible people.  I can't argue with that.

But, on the missiles point, if the Palestinians are going to make not attacking civilians a bargaining chip, I don't think there is any reason to negotiate.  And anyway, do you really think Israel is dissuaded from building settlements in the West Bank because of rockets in Gaza?  
 
I noticed you didn't answer one question and chose to deflect it with another.  Does not the fact that no matter the reason or the season, Israel continues to build settlements on occupied Palestinian land show it's true interests?  Yes, Hamas' strategy hasn't been effective in changing that fact, but nothing seems to change that.

By the same logic, does the US invasion and occupation of Iraq mean that the insurgency was justified in every horrible thing they did?  If there's a flaw in a country's policy, terrorism is automatically justified?  I'm dismayed at where Israel has gone in the past 20 years.  That doesn't mean that Israel has lost the basic sovereignty of the right to defend itself.  And, let's not forget that some of the West Bank is disputed territory.  It's not agreed on anywhere that we're ever going to return to 1967 borders. 

Those are some lovely strawmen you raised, but they did absolutely nothing to answer the question that was raised by Indy TX. I wanted you to answer one simple question, not have you raise more to avoid giving an answer yet again.  Si I'll repeat, does not the fact that no matter the reason or the season, Israel continues to build settlements on occupied Palestinian land show it's true interests?
3  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / America Is In Danger on: Today at 08:48:47 am
FOX News is recruiting in Europe and the United States. There are at least 100 American right-wing commentators appearing on FOX News, and an unknown number from European countries whose residents are free to travel to the United States without obtaining a visa. Our country and our people are in danger.
4  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Present Israel-Palestine Conflict Thread on: Today at 12:25:43 am
By and large the major irritant still smoldering from partition is Kashmir where India took over a majority Muslim area because it had been a princely state with a Hindu ruler.  Kashmir should have gone to Pakistan at partition.
Perhaps.  Do you think India should give it up now? (that is NOT a loaded question re-the Israel/Palestinian situation)

Ideally, Kashmir would be independent, as at a distance that appears to be what the locals want.  However, independence isn't truly an option.  Possibly if India had acted differently in 1947, it could have made Kashmir into a client state a la Bangladesh two decades later, but that isn't an option now.  If only Kashmir were affected, I think India could be persuaded to allow a referendum there, but with smoldering independence and/or autonomous independence movements in various parts of the subcontinent, I can't see anyone agreeing to a referendum, even if they could agree on how to hold one.  Neither Pakistan or India want to encourage minority self-determination right now.
5  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Present Israel-Palestine Conflict Thread on: July 27, 2014, 11:08:58 pm
but can you not understand why Palestinians might be just a tad bit pissed off by this situation that was imposed on them? Germany and others in Europe orchestrate the holocaust. Then they eff over the Palestinians to make themselves feel better. Yay colonialism!
I get, I suppose, why they went all "push 'em into da sea" in 1947, but 3 generations later and nothing to show for it (and in fact, a lot of lost...ahem...ground), well sir, that's insane.

More like typical human behavior.
Is it though?  A lot of refugees were created around the same time, yet few of them have grandchildren fighting the same fight grandpa did.  India/Pakistan is the only other one I can think of off the top of my head....and I'm pretty sure India wouldn't sit back and let rockets be fired at their civilians either.

Most refugees are able to assimilate into another culture. (Or at least prosper within another culture.)  For various reasons, the Palestinians have been denied that outlet by and large.  The refugees from the partition of India weren't herded into camps.  By and large the major irritant still smoldering from partition is Kashmir where India took over a majority Muslim area because it had been a princely state with a Hindu ruler.  Kashmir should have gone to Pakistan at partition.
6  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Present Israel-Palestine Conflict Thread on: July 27, 2014, 11:03:12 pm
Of course, the Zionists benefit as long as the Arabs aren't truly united.  (It was lack of Arab unity along with massive overconfidence that led to heavy corruption that let Israel survive 1948 in the first place.)  A united Arab regime with the patience to wait until Israel no longer has military superiority is what will most likely extinguish the State of Israel.  Won't happen for at least fifty years and more likely longer than that, but Israel will not always have military superiority over its neighbors, yet the Zionists act like they will.
and I'm not so sure about this either.  Have you ever read Why Arabs Lose Wars?  Very informative.  The short of it is:
A.their officers suck/are afraid to take initiative
B.they (generally) don't have NCOs, the backbone of any good military
C.they don't care about maintenance or training
D.they don't understand their enemy and don't try to learn
E.they don't trust anybody
F.the Army doesn't talk to the Air Force in battle, hell one Army division won't talk to another Army division in battle, much less communication between states


There would need to be a large cultural change in how they fight if they ever think they could win against any modern military, especially one that knows how they operate.

Agreed, the necessary culture change is why I said it would take a minimum of fifty years.
7  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Ebola Thread on: July 27, 2014, 11:00:28 pm
Holy sh*t, a woman in Charlotte, NC has contracted it. 'Hoping she ends up ok.

She is from Charlottle, not in Charlotte.  She is in Liberia where she has been helping out with a medical aid mission.  By all appearances, she is a woman who should end up at the right hand of Christ, though hopefully not soon.
8  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of this quote on: July 27, 2014, 10:53:41 pm
Why are you so unwilling to acknowledge that the fact that the settlement construction continues is a pretty big red flag that Israel has no interest in negotiating?

You can't very well negotiate with a government completely divided into ideologically disparate camps.  If you Hamas refuses to keep the Palestinian Authority's promises, that makes things very difficult.  And, yes, the Israeli right wing is increasingly a huge problem and they're terrible people.  I can't argue with that.

But, on the missiles point, if the Palestinians are going to make not attacking civilians a bargaining chip, I don't think there is any reason to negotiate.  And anyway, do you really think Israel is dissuaded from building settlements in the West Bank because of rockets in Gaza?  
 
I noticed you didn't answer one question and chose to deflect it with another.  Does not the fact that no matter the reason or the season, Israel continues to build settlements on occupied Palestinian land show it's true interests?  Yes, Hamas' strategy hasn't been effective in changing that fact, but nothing seems to change that.
9  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Present Israel-Palestine Conflict Thread on: July 27, 2014, 10:42:08 pm
but can you not understand why Palestinians might be just a tad bit pissed off by this situation that was imposed on them? Germany and others in Europe orchestrate the holocaust. Then they eff over the Palestinians to make themselves feel better. Yay colonialism!
I get, I suppose, why they went all "push 'em into da sea" in 1947, but 3 generations later and nothing to show for it (and in fact, a lot of lost...ahem...ground), well sir, that's insane.

More like typical human behavior.  Of course, the Zionists benefit as long as the Arabs aren't truly united.  (It was lack of Arab unity along with massive overconfidence that led to heavy corruption that let Israel survive 1948 in the first place.)  A united Arab regime with the patience to wait until Israel no longer has military superiority is what will most likely extinguish the State of Israel.  Won't happen for at least fifty years and more likely longer than that, but Israel will not always have military superiority over its neighbors, yet the Zionists act like they will.
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Arizona execution lasts almost 2 hours on: July 27, 2014, 08:55:22 pm
Capital punishment is not done with malice.  That's the critical distinction between murder and manslaughter.  Intending ahead of time that your malicious act will definitely result in death is the usual distinction between first- and second-degree murder.

OK, but how is capital punishment not done with malice? I imagine you'll say it's being done in the positive interest of society, but towards the person being executed, it seems pretty malicious.

I don't see, on a moral level, why it matters whether the person has been convicted of a crime, as to whether killing him should be regarded as malicious.

Malice requires evil intent.  As long as it not done spitefully or meanfully, an execution need not be malicious.

If someone kills me because they want my watch, they may have no malice toward me, but does that stop it from being murder?

Even without any physical injury inflicted, theft for personal gain is malice by any rational definition of the word.  Malice need not involve hate.
11  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Spatial Skills Test on: July 26, 2014, 09:11:00 am
29 - 7/8/6/8
12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Is the death penalty justice or revenge? on: July 26, 2014, 08:37:22 am
No reason why it can't be both.  It doesn't matter at all if there is an element of revenge, so long as justice is involved.
13  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Doctor stops potential mass shooting by shooting the shooter on: July 26, 2014, 08:26:22 am
You seriously think that story that I linked will get any national press, krazey?  Granted, you likely could read a similar story in your local paper that happened locally at least once this week, but why would teens shoot two dead in Richland County in a suspected drug deal gone bad get any coverage in Pennsylvania?  You have your own shootings to read about.  But in reading over my post I will give you one benefit of the doubt.  My pronoun usage was a little unclear if one fails to make use of context, so I'll go clear that up so that it isn't susceptible to intentional misreading.



Bad people shooting bad people rarely gets much national coverage.

Of course, the peculiar part is the definition of philly.com as 'national news'. With at most some limited exceptions, the heroic actions of Mr. Silverman are at most covered by local news. Without this thread, how would some liberal in South Carolina or elsewhere ever hear the full story of a defensive shooting in suburban Philadelphia, or the testimony of local law enforcement that Mr. Silverman's heroic actions saved many lives?

Of course, they would not! A mass shooting prevented by a heroic good samaritan gets much less coverage than a mass shooting enabled by gun grabbing liberals.


I'd already heard of this story well before you posted it, and on a public radio station no less.
14  General Politics / Economics / Re: July US unemployment rate down to 5.8%, about 332.000 jobs created on: July 25, 2014, 07:58:24 pm
This is my prediction.

What is yours ?

I'm not an economist so I'm not going to make a prediction based on inadequate data.  However yours will require a considerable number of people to leave the job market in July to happen.
15  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Doctor stops potential mass shooting by shooting the shooter on: July 25, 2014, 07:47:02 pm
You seriously think that story that I linked will get any national press, krazey?  Granted, you likely could read a similar story in your local paper that happened locally at least once this week, but why would teens shoot two dead in Richland County in a suspected drug deal gone bad get any coverage in Pennsylvania?  You have your own shootings to read about.  But in reading over my post I will give you one benefit of the doubt.  My pronoun usage was a little unclear if one fails to make use of context, so I'll go clear that up so that it isn't susceptible to intentional misreading.

Furthermore, about half of all violent crime is perpetrated by organized narcotic crime and gangs. There is no reason for Americans to live like criminals because the Feds can't fix our gang/drug problems.

So you agree that we need to decriminalize drug use?  Because it'll be that and not arming every law-abiding citizen that would be needed to end drug violence.
16  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Yosemite on: July 25, 2014, 06:11:16 pm
Thanks for all the advice, guys!  Except Ernest of course; I've experienced long-time family pets being put to sleep that were more amusing than your jokes.

Isn't deriving amusement from the death of animals one of the warning signs that you might be a redneck?

Just stop.  You're trolling.

Nah.  I'm not hanging around at any bridges, nor have I ever eaten goat.
17  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: The last movie you've seen thread 2014 on: July 25, 2014, 06:07:47 pm
Dawn of the Planet of the Apes last Monday.  I don't recommend shelling out the extra for the 3D version as while it wasn't bad 3D, it didn't really add anything.
18  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Doctor stops potential mass shooting by shooting the shooter on: July 25, 2014, 06:05:11 pm
So we have our wonder good gun story for this week.  In the meantime, multiple stories such as the one below will get only local coverage because unlike the story in the OP, they are too common to be unusual:

COLUMBIA, S.C. Richland County deputies say two men have been shot to death in a Columbia home and two teens have been charged.

Doesn't the fact that good uses of guns are remarkable enough to be national news suggest something?

Also, it looks like this case is also an example of our dysfunctional, overworked, underfunded mental health system.
19  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Present Israel-Palestine Conflict Thread on: July 25, 2014, 05:31:16 pm
Now Kerry is saying that he never proposed a ceasefire agreement to Israel and that Bibi lied to please its domestic audience.

Cite?  Even if it were true, I can't see Kerry wanting to cause even Bibi to lose that much face given the harm it would cause in US-Israeli relations.
20  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2014 Senatorial Election Polls / Re: SC: ABC/Courier: Graham up by 12 on: July 25, 2014, 02:09:57 pm
They polled the race both with and without T-Rav in it and both Graham's and Hutto's shares were statistically unchanged.  Right now T-Rav is pulling support mainly from people who wouldn't be voting if he weren't in the race, not taking away support from either Graham or Hutto.
21  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: South Carolina threesome on: July 25, 2014, 01:58:42 pm
Only Sheheen will win. Hutto does better than Dickerson though.

Other than I don't see Sheheen winning, I agree with the premise that Sheheen > Hutto > Dickerson.
22  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Present Israel-Palestine Conflict Thread on: July 25, 2014, 01:09:59 pm
Back on subject, I suspect both sides will accept this current ceasefire...

Wrong: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28494081

The idea that a US government is capable of strong-arming the Israeli government into doing anything it doesn't want to do doesn't really meet reality.  Sometimes the Israelis let it appear that is what is happening for political reasons in Jerusalem and/or Washington, but clearly Israel thinks another day or two of fighting is preferable to a ceasefire right now.
23  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Rand Paul introduces FAIR act (Fifth Amendment Integrity Restoration Act) on: July 25, 2014, 12:02:01 pm
Bill of Rights and immigration are as intertwined today as they were during the passage of the Alien and Sedition Acts. If anything the relevance of these topics has grown substantially during the Cold War and the War on Terror, neither of which are official wars.

Actually, what is driving this particular bill is the War on Drugs, and while immigrants (both legal and illegal) have been useful bogeymen for certain people in all of these "wars", they aren't the cause of these problems.  As someone more profound than me once said, "We have met the enemy and he is us." The only unofficial war that doesn't seem to have caused some impingement on civil liberties is the War on Cancer.  (And even that could be debated given the restrictions placed on tobacco advertising.)
24  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Any recommendations for Yosemite? on: July 25, 2014, 10:45:14 am
Thanks for all the advice, guys!  Except Ernest of course; I've experienced long-time family pets being put to sleep that were more amusing than your jokes.

Isn't deriving amusement from the death of animals one of the warning signs that you might be a redneck?
25  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Should California be broken up into 6 separate states? on: July 25, 2014, 10:40:56 am
No.  Or at least not with the current proposal.
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