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1  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Should the US break off diplomatic relations with Ecuador? on: Today at 07:42:01 am
We should cut off ties with Ukraine, a country that has proven to interfere with our elections on the behalf of Hillary.

This is not a partisan issue. This is about the protection of our country. Only traitors will disagree with me.
You do realize that if we cut off ties with all countries that engage in open efforts to interfere with our elections, that will include many countries, most notably including Israel. Somehow, I doubt you truly want that to be the standard we follow. Even if I'm wrong and you do think we should cut off ties with all countries that engage in efforts to influence our elections, I think such an iron clad rule would be stupid, even if limited to those countries that have engaged in criminally covert efforts, such as Russia.
2  General Discussion / Alternative History / Re: If Truman decided a nuclear strike in Korea? on: Today at 03:39:12 am
There weren't any good targets for nukes in the Korean War. Or at least, none in Korea. We'd have had to expand the war into China to have made their use worthwhile.
3  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The US liberal establishment promoting left wing ideology yet again on: Today at 01:33:27 am
Criminals should not have the same rights and access to jobs, health care, etc. We can't dumb down society.

Your two statements don't mesh.  It truly would dumb down society if we were to do everything in our power to ensure criminals remain criminal, which is exactly what you are calling for.
4  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Should the US break off diplomatic relations with Russia? on: Today at 01:13:26 am
No. Diplomacy should not be a pawn of politicians looking for scapegoats for their failures. Bad precedent.

The democratic party is officially insane. They've secluded and deluded themselves about the world so thoroughly that they've lost touch with reality.

You are officially insane, deluded, and out of touch with reality if you think BRTD is representative of the Democratic Party.
5  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump Calls NATO Obsolete and Dismisses EU in German Interview on: Today at 01:07:36 am
U.S. President-elect Donald Trump called NATO obsolete, predicted that other European Union members would follow the U.K. in leaving the bloc and threatened BMW with import duties over a planned plant in Mexico, according to an interview with Germany’s Bild newspaper that will raise concerns in Berlin over trans-Atlantic relations.

Idiot.  BMW doesn't sell enough of each model in this country to build a US plant devoted to just US production, and if he increases their costs, they might just decide to dump their production facility in Greer, of which 70% of the vehicles made there are exported. Not only that, their Moses Lake, WA plant is a one of their two production facilities for carbon fiber which is used in manufacturing the 7-series and will be in the next generation of the 3-series, so expanding the Mexico plant will undoubtedly expand their need for the Moses Lake facility.

Trump has proven time and again that he does not understand how international trade works.  He has an outmoded mercantilist viewpoint.
6  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: WH considering ending press briefings, and not allowing media on WH grounds on: Today at 12:22:56 am
I can see why the WHCA would like to keep the current meeting room with only 49 chairs.  It both increases the value of being part of the established media and makes it more difficult for the press secretary to dodge questions from them. The Indian Treaty Room in the EEOB that Eisenhower used for his televised press conferences can handle more people.
7  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: NC Gov. Cooper issues executive action to expand Medicaid on: January 15, 2017, 01:41:56 am
Turns our Roy Cooper might not be able to become the next Palpatine. Great news!

Link

Court has granted #NCGA’s restraining order, blocking @RoyCooperNC's illegal attempt to expand Obamacare:
Illegal?
At least in this case krazen is quoting someone else's hyperbole. However, I somehow doubt either krazen or the NCGOP called the NCGOP's brazen attempt to limit voter access illegal when a court prevented them last year from stacking the pool of who could vote in favor of the Republicans.

That said, I don't see why Cooper is wasting time tilting at this particular windmill. Even if he manages to win at the state level, by the time he does, the Federal GOP will have gutted Medicaid as part of their doublespeak version of a "War on Poverty" so there won't be anything to expand.
8  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The GOP's best solution on health care on: January 14, 2017, 07:15:26 pm
The problem with the idea of "shopping for care" is two-fold. First and foremost, a significant portion of care, especially the more expensive types of care, become needed suddenly and unexpectedly, so there is little to no chance for comparison shopping. Secondly, individuals just don't have the economic clout needed to extract price concessions from the oligarchic hospital industry. Personally, I think the best reform one could make in restructuring how our health-care system works would be to require that health insurance be run on a non-profit model. That would insure that insurance works on behalf of the insured and provide the needed counterweight to the hospital industry.
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Rep. John Lewis "I do not consider the president-elect to be legitimate" on: January 14, 2017, 06:42:50 pm
Maybe I am missing something here. I am all for Democrats openly resisting denouncing Trump's presidency, but the ceaseless focus on calling him "illegitimate" is just inane.

It's like the "not my president" BS. Yes he is your president (or will be in a few days), just as Putin would be your president if you were Russian. Refusing to acknowledge the fact means you won't be able to fight him as effectively.

Given the way the Trump and his future administration have signaled their intention to bend over for him, one could argue that Putin effectively will be our president.
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: What if a "Trump sex tape" exists? on: January 14, 2017, 06:31:20 pm
There's one word for those who would enjoy watching a Trump sex tape. Sad!!!
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Democratic equivalent of the Tea Party? on: January 14, 2017, 06:29:08 pm
A century ago, we actually had liberals willing to die in the streets for their beliefs.
A century ago we had liberals, conservatives, progressives, monarchists, socialists, and pretty much every one else dying in the trenches.
12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: This is what a pay to play President will look like on: January 13, 2017, 11:46:26 pm
I went on LL Bean's website today and ordered a sweater. Smiley
I'm sure you did, cultists tend to blindly follow whatever their leader says
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
Just don't be so sure of the blindness of others that you gouge out one of your two eyes in an attempt to be king.
13  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Pew polls US partisan divide on Israel, Russia, world leaders, etc. on: January 13, 2017, 09:24:19 pm
It's really hard to argue terrorism is not a big threat to the U.S. because more people die from domestic violence or drunk driving and then to state that there are countries that are currently being destabilized by terrorism. Those countries doubtlessly have a higher number of deaths by drunk driving and perhaps domestic violence too. Which one is it?
You seem to forget that the U.S. elected Trump. What happens in Syria, Iraq, or Afghanistan is no longer important. While Europe has much to worry about with an unstable Middle East, it doesn't particularly affect us unless we choose to be affected by it. Heck, our next Secretary of State may well appreciate more Middle East uncertainty since a rise in oil prices would help both Exxon-Mobil and Russia right now. Elections have consequences, and that means the rest of the world is going to be free to go to Hell as it pleases for the next four years thanks to people like bronz4141.
14  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The GOP's best solution on health care on: January 13, 2017, 09:10:32 pm
What are actual, serious GOP proposals to replace the ACA? I'm primarily asking the Republican posters on this forum. And how will they ensure affordable coverage for the 30 million Americans who could lose their healthcare as a result of repealing the ACA?
"Health savings accounts."

Which is a fancy word for "nothing."
I'm not sure how HSAs would even cover medical costs unless you were rich healthy.
FTFY
15  General Discussion / Constitution and Law / Re: Parking lot incident on: January 13, 2017, 08:49:50 pm
I don't see the police getting involved at all. It's not as if you were in a spree of smashing side mirrors with a shopping cart. Maybe the bloke will try extorting you in small claims court, but even that seems dubious to me unless you get unlucky with the jury. I do hope you took a picture of the allegedly damaged mirror. It is not unheard of for damage to increase after the fact.
16  General Discussion / History / Re: Reorganizing the calendar on: January 13, 2017, 08:28:37 am
I'll point out in Tolkien, the ages don't start being numbered until humans are around, so a Tolkeinesque age scheme for human history would have your Fifth Age be the First Age. Second, why reinvent the geologic time scale?
17  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Transition Team/Cabinet Thread on: January 13, 2017, 12:30:19 am
House Democrats are threatening to revolt over the waiver needed for James Mattis to serve as defense secretary after the Trump transition team blocked him from testifying before the House Armed Services Committee.

Plan was since his announcement that he would testify to both sides of Congress, but the transition team has pulled him out of House testimony. House Republicans aren't happy either, but they are planning on voting for the waiver anyway.

If they think the restriction is outmoded, why isn't the GOP calling for a full repeal of it, rather than a one-time waiver?  There's absolutely nothing special about either our current defense needs or this nominee that warrants waiving the rule just for him just this one time.
18  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / MOVED: HIllary's cabinet picks on: January 13, 2017, 12:26:41 am
This topic has been moved to Past Election What-ifs (US).

http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=256394.0
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Pew polls US partisan divide on Israel, Russia, world leaders, etc. on: January 13, 2017, 12:26:02 am
Yes, climate change is a big issue, but it is not the biggest threat to national security. Democrats need to stop thinking that climate change is the super biggest threat to national security in the 21st Century. Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.)'s question to Mike Pompeo today about climate change as a super issue looks tone-deaf. The biggest threat is terrorism, and intelligence.

Terrorism is not a big threat to the U.S.  Even in their most successful year, 2001, terrorists haven't killed even as many as a third of what we do to ourselves each year with drunk driving.  Except for that one bad year, we typically will see a hundred times more Americans die from domestic violence as opposed to terrorism.

Terrorism is flashy and gets attention, but as long as we exercise some reasonable prudence and precaution, it isn't a big threat, it's a little threat, at least to us. Now for those in the front-line areas of terrorism, it is a big threat, but that's the sort of internationalist reasoning that you're rejecting with respect to climate change. Global warming isn't a big threat to the U.S. because we have the wealth and other resources to be able to respond to its impacts, but that's not the case in much of the world. That is what makes climate change the next big thing likely to destabilize the world, often in countries already destabilized by terrorism.
20  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Senate "vote-o-rama" just voted to gut all provisions in the ACA on: January 13, 2017, 12:00:06 am
I just don't understand why we can't work to fix the problems that Obamacare has instead of repealing it without first talking about alternatives. It's ridiculous that this country can't have true universal healthcare in the first place or at least make it more accessible and affordable.
It's because unlike the rest of the developed world, we've made the first priority of our healthcare system that it be profitable.  And the simple fact is, that means that you can't have universal healthcare without government both mandating and subsidizing healthcare.  Without a mandate (both requiring companies to provide to all and individuals to get) companies will get more profits if they can get the sickest to not get insurance.  Not only that, but without subsidies, the price for insurance for the healthiest will rise to the point that even with penalties, it may make economic sense for them to take the gamble and forgo insurance.
21  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: What if the Democrats moderated on abortion? on: January 12, 2017, 11:40:51 pm
Something like supporting heartbeat bills (~6 weeks gestation) and defunding Planned Parenthood, but not a total ban?  Or, even a total ban with exceptions?  This might be the only way they can win back large swaths of voters.

What you described isn't what the Democratic position on abortion would be if they moderated towards the center, but what the Republican position would be if they moderated towards the center position on abortion.

Moderation for the Democrats would be supporting the 20 week bills, but not going much farther than that.
22  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Obama: No more free rides for Cubans on: January 12, 2017, 09:26:31 pm
Clearly Obama is getting even with Hillary for losing by ending a policy her husband put into place when he was president.
23  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Possible locations of the Garden of Eden on: January 12, 2017, 09:19:22 pm
Palo Alto, CA Tongue

Present conditions excepted, Palo Alto is hardly a well-watered paradise, even by the standards of desert nomads.
24  General Discussion / History / Re: Moses, Hebrews leaving Egypt, etc. - backed up by other histories? on: January 12, 2017, 09:16:15 pm
I believe that Dr Petrovich's discovery/breakthrough/translations will be as great a breakthru as the "house of David" fragment.  We will see.
I thought you had great hopes for Petrovich's work.  Only those determined to be irrationally skeptical had doubts that a David existed, tho I think it quite rational to hold that the Biblical version of David is exaggerated.  However, the Tel Dan Stele didn't silence the skeptics of the existence of a historical David.
25  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: This isn't okay on: January 12, 2017, 08:27:42 pm
It seems to me that pretty much everyone in this thread should take to heart the advice that Thumper's dad gave him in Bambi.  Some need it more than others.

That said, I'd say that people projecting a false religiosity, such as our current President-elect, are far worse than either people who are either truly religious or irreligious.
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