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1  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Question to self described "pro-life" posters on: Today at 01:53:16 am
I can understand (but disagree strongly) those arguing abortion should not be provided "on demand", but I completely fail to understand why a woman should be forced to give a birth after being raped or to basically commit suicide when abortion is required for health reasons. I wonder how can anyone defend this.

If you think an unborn fetus/embryo has reached the point that it should be considered human life and protected, then the tragic circumstances of how it came to be don't affect that.  That said, while I don't favor rape/incest exceptions, I'm also not in favor of prohibiting all abortions.  Roughly speaking, I think first trimester abortions should be allowed, third not allowed save to protect the physical life of the mother, and second I have no strong feelings on, but as I said, no rape or incest exceptions.
2  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Folly of Youtube Heroes on: Today at 12:43:11 am
It looks like a way for YouTube to get unpaid moderation staff.
3  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Canadian Americans 1930 on: Today at 12:37:53 am
I have a great-grandfather included in these statistics.  It's part of the reason why altho I have ancestors who were in the colonies in the 17th century, I have no ancestors who fought on either side of the American Civil War.  They either cane here after that war or hadn't yet returned from Canada by the time that war happened.
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Dave's Mock Election 2016 is now open!!! on: September 24, 2016, 10:26:29 pm
I voted and enabled the option to publicly show my support, but I'm not getting that little sign under my avatar. Frustrating.
You have to do so both at the mock election and in your profile.  The one at the mock election does it for that election only.  The one in your profile does it for all elections.
5  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Have you ever liked Donald Trump? on: September 24, 2016, 10:18:29 pm
I always thought him a buffoon, and he never appealed to me. When it comes to slapstick, Laurel and Hardy was far more my style than The Three Stooges, and his act was always far more the latter than the former.  I am astounded that it has proven to be less an act than a public display of his personality.
6  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: I AM IN THE HOME OF OPEBO on: September 24, 2016, 10:13:50 pm
oh good, we're debating opebo again. Tongue
Opebo 26:11 "The poors you will always have with you, but you will not always have me."
7  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: California has a wild horse problem on: September 24, 2016, 07:38:37 pm
  Overpopulation problem solved.  Everybody wins.
Except for the ecosystem and other native species that suffer the side effects.  Besides, solving overpopulation by starvation is not a particularly good option.  If we want to "solve" horse overpopulation by natural means, we'd need to reintroduce the grey wolf to California to increase predation. Clearly the few cougars in the area aren't doing it, but I doubt my solution will get many takers.
8  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Obama vetoes 9/11 bill on: September 24, 2016, 07:22:08 pm
We have international courts for international legal action... domestic courts have absolutely no sovereignty over foreign nations or foreign nationals, so any ruling would be useless except for propaganda and stirring-up-sh**t purposes.
You have read the U.S. Constitution, haven't you?  Specifically, Article I Section 8 Clause 10: "To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;"

Now I don't think that the law Congress has proposed is a wise law, but it is constitutional.
9  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Are you afraid of death? on: September 24, 2016, 06:37:09 pm

Thing is, study after study has shown that people's happiness depends not so much on their absolute well-being, but upon their relative well-being.

The clearest example I can think of is a study the U.S.Army did in WWII. The brass was worried that morale for black soldiers would be worse for those on bases in the segregated south than in the north because of the added social restrictions they faced there when they went on leave. Objectively, black soldiers stationed in the north were better off than those stationed in the south. Turned out that those soldiers didn't base their happiness on what happened to themselves alone. Those in the south had higher morale than those in the north. They compared their lot to that of southern black civilians and felt pretty good about their lot because it was much better than their comparison group. Conversely, the economic opportunities the war brought northern black civilians meant that black troops stationed in the north felt they were worse off than those they compared themselves to, so their morale turned out to be lower.

Thinking on this, I now realize why class stratification tends to occur. It gives everyone except those in the lowest class a chance to feel better about themselves than they otherwise would, simply because they are in a better class. So long as one can keep that lowest class small, class stratification might actually be an overall good for society, if happiness is your measure of good.
10  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Debate watching poll on: September 23, 2016, 09:31:56 pm
I'm not watching it. I already know who I'm voting for and Monday night is for me gaming night, either Traveller or D&D depending on whether I'm the GM or a player that night. Often with a little Zombie Dice while waiting for everyone to arrive.
11  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The CrabCake Bureau of Funny Post Archival on: September 23, 2016, 05:36:24 pm
Technically the forum code could be altered to censor posts from TNVolunteer that contain NH-related words, like "NH", "New Hampshire", "Hassan", "Climbin' Maggie", and so on..

Of course at that point it's a game of whack-a-mole. What about a lobotomy?


With or without context?
12  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: LOL, long time posters (i.e. Alcon) might get a kick out of this on: September 23, 2016, 12:47:59 pm
I'm so confused because my name is in the title, but I only faintly remember this band's name and have no idea what's happening

am i dead

The Forum does serve as a reasonable approximation of Purgatory, so maybe you are.
13  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: Will Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump by primaried in 2020? on: September 23, 2016, 12:19:53 pm
Carter was primaried due to his lack of hawkishness r.e Iran, and Hillary is the most hawkish Dem possible, she wouldn't have such a weakness.
While Iran was an albatross around Carter's neck in the general election, that wasn't why Teddy tried to primary him. Teddy ran against Carter because of his embrace of conservative economics in a number of areas.
14  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton does Between 2 Ferns on: September 23, 2016, 09:17:26 am
At least he actually got paid something by Trump.  That puts him above average in his dealings with the guy.
15  General Discussion / History / MOVED: Were you surprised when Al Gore lost Tennessee in the 2000 election? on: September 22, 2016, 10:08:25 pm
This topic has been moved to 2000 U.S. Presidential Election Results.

16  General Discussion / History / MOVED: 2000 Bush and Algore : Why Al Gore has refused to check the votes again ? on: September 22, 2016, 10:07:50 pm
This topic has been moved to 2000 U.S. Presidential Election Results.

17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will Trump call Clinton "crooked Hillary" on the debate stage? on: September 22, 2016, 10:01:15 pm
If he's smart, he won't. It's not going to appeal to the general election swing voter, and Hillary is bound to be prepared with a well focus group tested retort if he tries. "There you go again" might work well, except Hillary doesn't have the Reaganesque charm needed to pull it off.
18  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Which third party candidates do you believe should be included in the debates? on: September 22, 2016, 09:05:59 pm
If Johnson had reached 10% I'd think he should have been, but at his current polling level, in the 5-9% range, I'm neutral. No way any of the others ever had a reason to be considered this year.
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Why isn't Seltzer polling IA? on: September 22, 2016, 09:02:08 pm
They have enuf paid work that they aren't about to do a freebie. Besides, it's almost time for the Des Moines Register's annual Iowa Poll, so likely that and one just before the election will be all the Selzer we get this year for the general election.  Other than not doing a GE poll at caucus time, that's the same as in 2012.
20  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Have you donated to one of the presidential nominees yet? on: September 22, 2016, 08:53:32 pm
nope. I may donate to a local candidate but not a national one.
In local races, the kind of money I have to spend can make a difference.

I bought a Cruz shirt to troll liberal friends with and donated $50 to Trump because a friend badgered me into doing it.
With Friends like that, who needs enemies. Nixon?
21  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Imagining a North Korean version of BRTD on: September 22, 2016, 08:06:44 pm
While I can imagine BRTD having a head filled with sawdust, I can't imagine a BRTD with a stomach filled with sawdust.
22  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Designated Survivor (TV Show) on: September 22, 2016, 07:27:11 pm
No opinion. Its not at a time its convenient for me to watch and I have no DVR, and no interest in getting one.  Maybe I'll stream it in a few years.
23  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: "Obama pls drone" v. "Duterte pls send a death squad" on: September 22, 2016, 07:07:44 pm
The latter option seems more likely to happen when you ask for it to happen.
24  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: What is most concerning or upsetting to you about the current state of the U.S.? on: September 22, 2016, 07:34:01 am
Poor infrastructure, poor schools, and our ongoing budget deficit in the middle of an expanding economy. All are symptoms of our delusion we can get the government services we need without actually paying for them.
25  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: DoJ:If Disabled People Can't Use Berkeley's Free Online Courses, No One Can on: September 22, 2016, 07:29:36 am
It just seems odd that something 'free' would fall under that category, but I'm obviously not a legal expert. It's an odd limitation on a public benefit.

That was my first thought as well.

An art museum that is open to the public free of charge still must have wheelchair ramps.

How should the art museum accommodate the blind?
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