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1  General Discussion / Constitution and Law / Re: SCOTUS opinion watch on: Today at 02:54:13 am

This is interesting.

Does it mean they stay open until October?
Probably. My understanding is this is a hold until they decide whether to grant cert, and they are unlikely to decide that before October.

But, interestingly, the Court has not yet granted a stay in Mississippi (unless it does so tomorrow).  This means that the state's last abortion clinic will close.

Not quite. Because the effect of Mississippi's law would be to close all clinics there, the same Fifth Circuit that upheld most of Texas' law (tho a different three judge panel) blocked the application of Mississippi's law. While SCOTUS has agreed to hear Mississippi's appeal, the Fifth Circuit stay of that law remains in place.
2  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Should churches that don't perform gay marriages lose their tax-exempt status? on: June 29, 2015, 06:39:00 pm
This is an outrage and massive infringement on the personal freedom of these bakers! What's next, they'll be forced to bake cakes for blacks and Hispanics, because of a religiously justified opposition to their skin color!?

I wonder if people believe a baker should be allowed to close their doors to Jews looking for a cake for a bar mitzvah because of the baker's religious views.

I wonder if people believe a Muslim bookseller should have to sell an (Arabic) Quran to Pastor Terry Jones.  

(No, I don't really wonder, I already know they do. Same people who hate conservative Christians hate Orthodox Jews and Muslims, more often than not.)

Ok, so you are in the camp that believes that bakers should be able to discriminate against Jews if they want to use the cake in a bar mitzvah. Am I reading this correctly?
I'm not aware of anyone who has a religious objection to a bar mitzvah. Maybe an Orthodox Jewish baker would object to a bat mitzvah.
3  General Discussion / Constitution and Law / Re: SCOTUS opinion watch on: June 29, 2015, 06:33:09 pm

This is interesting.

Does it mean they stay open until October?
Probably. My understanding is this is a hold until they decide whether to grant cert, and they are unlikely to decide that before October.
4  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone III - The Whinge Binge on: June 28, 2015, 10:26:25 pm

Jury duty.


Most people I know only get stuck with jury duty once or twice in their lives.  I've had the pleasure so many times, I've lost count.  At least it's only municipal court.
5  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Have you ever seen people rowing in the street about money? on: June 28, 2015, 10:13:53 pm
Ah. Given that this is an Al post, the interpretation comes as no surprise, but I think when people argue nastily over small amounts of money it's because they perceive their honor is at stake.

Ah rowing as in fighting.  I was wondering what being in a boat in a flooded avenue had to do with money.  I'd never seen row, in the sense of a fight, being used as a verb before, only as a noun.
6  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Will Obama be remembered in the top 10 of Presidents? on: June 28, 2015, 10:10:37 pm
It's possible that Obama might barely crack the top 10 in one or two rankings, but I doubt he'll consistently make the top 10 in the future.  It looks like he'll solidly be in the second quartile of presidents for the foreseeable future.
7  General Discussion / Alternative History / MOVED: How would've 2008 looked like if Obama were a white man? on: June 28, 2015, 09:52:39 pm
This topic has been moved to Past Election What-ifs (US).

8  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Question about 1 Cor 5:1-13 on: June 28, 2015, 06:51:41 pm
The general expectation in the NT seems to me to be that until the parousia Christians would not be in control of government. Indeed, the NT seems to me to dismissive of Christians participating in government. That said, in a democracy, Matthew 5:19 could reasonably be seen as indicating that Christians should at the least not enact laws that sanction immoral behavior. Conversely, Matthew 7:1-5 would seem to be an indication that such behavior shouldn't be criminalized.
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Prior to the ruling, only a handful of Congressional Republicans were in favor on: June 28, 2015, 06:27:03 am

Do you really think that one new judge would be able to reverse a decision that happened just a few years before his/her appointment (assuming that it'll take a couple of years for a judicial retirement)? Do you really think that the lower courts would bump the issue up to the Supreme Court again, considering they now have a ruling? Do you really think that the Supreme Court will risk the national outcry that would happen due to some upstart justice overturning such an emotional issue?

I'm being as polite as a can, since I'm baffled by your reasoning. I don't understand it.

And such a constitutional amendment would fail miserably, considering how many states you need and how many are becoming positive towards same-sex marriage nowadays.

Oh, I didn't think you were being impolite. I don't know what the courts would do, I don't know how much the case would be entitled to respect under the stari decisis concept, but I will say that it is possible.   

I don't know if I, morally, would feel particularly happy about people losing rights that were once achieved, but I don't think the court has the power to GIVE rights.  If the 14th amendment, which was designed to free blacks from slavery, allowed for same-sex marriages, they would've been performed since it's adoption. 

The moral of the story is I want strict constructionists on the bench and just see what happens then.  I don't believe Rubio, Jeb et al are actually sincerely opposed to SSM with the positions that they've taken.

But same-sex marriage wasn't an issue when the 14th amendment was adopted. It could be said to be a right, but one that absolutely no one acknowledged for decades.
There's also the fact that heterosexual marriage has profoundly changed since 1868. In 1868, marriage was not a union of two equals under the law. Changes since then have eliminated specific gender-based roles in civil marriage.
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Breaking: Supreme Court rules SSM a legal right on: June 28, 2015, 06:18:55 am
CCSF, have you ever considered getting on the "gay to straight conversion" speaking circuit?  You might find it to be a lucrative venture, and you seem to have the skillset for it.

I don't believe in conversion being a possibility - but if I could, I would

I just can't believe you are actually gay. Like, have you ever had a gay experience? I assume not because I doubt you'd want to change after.
Not all people who have been subjected to useless conversion therapy were forced to by others.
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: When will gay marriage become universally accepted? on: June 27, 2015, 11:18:37 pm
If there are no further infringements on religious liberty, I will probably will be able to move on from this subject.

This. While I wholeheartedly disagree with Justice Kennedy on this issue and likely always will, the fight is over and there is no sensible response aside from surrender.

Good to see you admit to likely remaining bigoted for the rest of your life. NBF would be proud.

Are you seriously comparing his position to that of the National Bolshevik Front?
Considering the other major topic right now, I suspect NBF stands for Nathan Bedford Forrest.
12  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Question about 1 Cor 5:1-13 on: June 27, 2015, 11:14:41 pm
First off, I doubt that Paul was under any illusion that Christians in his time could have an affect on state policy, so I would draw no inferences from his lack of advocacy of doing so as to whether or not Paul thinks the Church should try to influence Caesar. That said, keep in mind that the groups and individuals you are referring to think of America as not merely a nation, but a Christian nation, and thus one to which 1 Cor 5 and other passages would imply that there is an obligation for this nation to uphold behavioral norms as dictated by Christian theology. I'd disagree with the idea that our government was established as a Christian government.

I do wish to quibble with one of your points: "It comes to my mind whenever I read stories about why some American conservative Christian groups or individuals believe ... that Christian businesspeople or physicians should have the legal right to withhold goods or services from people whose behavior they consider immoral."  While there are some who hold that, the right that is generally being sought, and one I believe is generally correct to seek, is not the right to withhold goods or services from immoral people but from immoral behavior. Take for example the case of Baronelle Stutzman.  She'd had no problems with selling flowers to gay customers, but when it came to selling flowers specifically for a gay marriage, she did.
13  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Your opinion on Abortion on: June 27, 2015, 07:33:25 pm
Pro-life except for mother's life.
The mother's life is unimportant? (I know what you probably meant, but it isn't what you wrote.)
14  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Al Realpolitik Institute of Sulfur Mining & Extraction on: June 27, 2015, 06:23:35 pm
Doesn't matter, they all deserve to be shot.

Spoken like a true facist

cause of death: fourth-degree sick burns
What's a "facist"? Someone who posts on Facebook?
15  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone III - The Whinge Binge on: June 27, 2015, 06:20:34 pm
I had lunch at a place styling itself "Cowboy Brazilian Steakhouse". No idea what made it specifically Brazilian. Maybe it was the Brazilian-style collard greens on the salad/hot bar, whatever that meant. Still, it was a nice enough place, so I could see going there again the next time I head to downtown Columbia. Went there today to see the documentary Compromised at the Nickelodeon, our local art theatre. It's a recently completed film about the 2000 compromise that brought the Confederate flag down from the dome to where it is now on the State House grounds that was added as a fund raiser for Emanuel AME. Unfortunately, they'd sold out, so I didn't get to see it with my girlfriend.
16  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Breaking: Supreme Court rules SSM a legal right on: June 27, 2015, 05:56:06 am
Many of us are bullied by LGBT leftists. Just ask Baronelle Stutzman who had to shut down her business. Does "it get better" for her ?

she absolutely did not have to shut down her business. what are you even talking about?

She was given the choice of providing flowers to same-sex marriages, which she felt was against her beliefs, or of shutting down to avoid future charges.  You may may think it a good thing she'd have to shut down her business to comply with her beliefs, but it certainly is a case of it being shut down.
17  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: What will be the next big social issue? on: June 27, 2015, 12:16:11 am
Probably the death penalty. The other possibilities aren't so Aristotelian as to have only two positions.
18  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Breaking: Supreme Court rules SSM a legal right on: June 27, 2015, 12:07:22 am
Yeah...CCSF has horrid views on gay marriage and religion...but you cant blame carrion for messing up your street when the crows have had a feast and spread everything everywhere.

Let me clarify before ernest censors and infracts:

CCSF put his opinion in here.  People responded negatively, so he responded back and on and on we go.  Torie and Badger are no doubt getting ready to pounce on him for being the contrarian.

Badger is the one who brought up not believing CCSF is gay.  But surely CCSF must be punished for responding.

Other than infracting for vulgarity in a couple posts, there's been nothing so far in this thread I've felt inclined to moderate so far. There's a lot I wish weren't in it, but I don't feel like making the effort to separate the discussion about CCSF into a thread of its own. His first post in this thread was generic socon angst that could have been made by any of our socons, and I'm not planning on doing anything to it.
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Polls: Americans want Confederate flag taken down, SC Whites not on: June 26, 2015, 09:14:34 pm
Who are the South Carolina blacks opposed to removing the flag?
I would speculate that they feel it would be a symbolic gesture that at best would distract from issues they consider more meaningful, and at worst would stir up the racists into actions like those of Wednesday last week.
20  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Breaking: Supreme Court rules SSM a legal right on: June 26, 2015, 11:40:17 am
I was also surprised it was a 5-4 and not a 6-3 decision.

I'm not.  I only saw Roberts as likely to be part of a 6-3 decision if it were a narrow one requiring States to recognize SSMs recognized by other States as civil marriages.  The only question for me was whether Kennedy would go for a narrow decision or a wide decision.
21  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Polls on Same-Sex Marriage State Laws on: June 26, 2015, 11:22:13 am
It's essentially done now, save perhaps for some clerk of court office door stands.  Unstickying.
22  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Do you ever have weird personal feelings of irrendentism? on: June 25, 2015, 05:22:58 pm
23  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Your opinion on Abortion on: June 25, 2015, 05:18:46 pm
Pro-choice 1st trimester, Pro-life 3rd, Pro-I don't have an opinion so I let those who do decide 2nd. No exceptions for rape or incest at any stage.
24  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Opinion of Walt Disney on: June 25, 2015, 04:49:53 pm
FF - Frozen Fighter

I know the thing about him being frozen after death is a debunked urban legend, but the movie has had a major cultural impact. It's even affected teaching.  It used to be that "frozen" was a word used in early childhood education to test how well a kid had mastered phonics.  It can't be used for that now because for many kids it's a sight word, i.e., one they know by sight and don't have to decode the phonics to say it.
25  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: TrueFederalist/Ernest on: June 25, 2015, 02:43:05 am
I'm not going to apologize for moderating a post suggesting that the death of a well-known person and eight other people was faked as part of vast conspiracy. I don't care that it made the poster look like a insensitive idiot. If I moderated on that basis, I'd agree that I'd be going too far.  I do care that keeping it on this site would have made it look like a haven for insensitive idiots. Stormfront and AAD can have such posts if they want them.

His first post was bad enough that I brought out the tenpointium claws I generally don't use, and other mods started a conversation in the mod cave about whether Nym should make use of his banhammer of justice.

...I'm sorry, did you just compare AAD to Stormfront and Charleston truthers?

That's completely fycking absurd - not to mention the height of excessive hyperbole. And this is coming from someone who would've done the same thing you did.
They're not quite the same. I imagine there are quite a few posts over on AAD, including many that would be quite welcome here, that would lead to a prompt deletion and ban over on Stormfront. My point was that Charleston truther posts would be welcomed on both sites apparently.

You seriously need to get a life.

Which is my number one reason for not joining AAD.
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