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1  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Army halts construction at Standing Rock on: December 05, 2016, 08:53:49 pm

Of course Trump owns stock in the company that is building this pipeline, so hopefully he doesn't go the conflict of interest route and try to ramrod this thing through once he gets into office. The Native-American Indians have been backed into the furthest corner that they can possibly be backed into. There is nowhere else for them to go. That is their environment and they deserve to have a safe water supply and deserve to have their sacred lands honored.

If you don't think Obama wasn't applying pressure here so as to build his "legacy", you obviously aren't thinking. It is odd how, just like with Keystone XL, he waited until after an election day to do this. Anyway go celebrate your symbolic victory. You've delayed the inevitable and you may have even caused the pipeline to be rerouted, but I expect that by the time of the next presidential election both DAPL and Keystone XL will have been completed and transporting oil less expensively and more safely than the alternative of moving it by rail.

pro-tip: when you sound like the villain from a bad saturday morning cartoon, it may be time to rethink your position

I do not have morons on my payroll.
2  General Discussion / History / Re: Were the Irish really considered non white? on: December 05, 2016, 08:33:47 pm
Keep in mind that for many Republicans of the 1850s, the reason they opposed slavery was not because of it being unfair to Negroes, but because they wanted to live in an all-white society.
3  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: How to run for political office in the future? on: December 05, 2016, 08:03:31 am
Spend $20,000 on a candidate certificate from Trump Electoral College.
4  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Army halts construction at Standing Rock on: December 05, 2016, 07:49:13 am

Of course Trump owns stock in the company that is building this pipeline, so hopefully he doesn't go the conflict of interest route and try to ramrod this thing through once he gets into office. The Native-American Indians have been backed into the furthest corner that they can possibly be backed into. There is nowhere else for them to go. That is their environment and they deserve to have a safe water supply and deserve to have their sacred lands honored.

If you don't think Obama wasn't applying pressure here so as to build his "legacy", you obviously aren't thinking. It is odd how, just like with Keystone XL, he waited until after an election day to do this. Anyway go celebrate your symbolic victory. You've delayed the inevitable and you may have even caused the pipeline to be rerouted, but I expect that by the time of the next presidential election both DAPL and Keystone XL will have been completed and transporting oil less expensively and more safely than the alternative of moving it by rail.
5  General Discussion / History / Re: What was the defining election of the 20th Century? on: December 04, 2016, 09:28:43 am
Even accepting your argument, and ignoring the first 63 days of the 20th century, the 56th Congress elected back in 1898 remained in office until March 4, 1901.
6  General Discussion / History / Re: What was the defining election of the 20th Century? on: December 04, 2016, 09:01:40 am
Literally 1900.
How does a 19th century election get the distinction of being the defining election of the next century?
7  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump proposes 35% import tariff on products made by US companies abroad on: December 04, 2016, 08:57:42 am
Nice way to give the advantage to non-U.S. companies.
8  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump: There is no global flag. There is no global citizenship. on: December 04, 2016, 08:51:10 am
Incidentally, that flag was designed by an American back when the U.S. was indisputably the greatest nation on earth.
you say that as if it's less true now
Trump's whole campaign was based on the premise that America was no longer great and that he would MAGA.
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Will Trump be a better president than George W. Bush? on: December 04, 2016, 12:44:14 am
That's an awfully low bar, yet Trump isn't guaranteed to clear it.
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump: There is no global flag. There is no global citizenship. on: December 04, 2016, 12:35:19 am
You'd think with all the time Trump has spent in New York, he'd have seen the U.N. flag at least once. Incidentally, that flag was designed by an American back when the U.S. was indisputably the greatest nation on earth.
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Only Twitter says it would refuse to help build Muslim registry on: December 04, 2016, 12:27:13 am
The registry will help us find terrorists.  And it will dissuade terrorists from coming here.  Too bad it wasn't started in the 90s.
I doubt it would have helped us with terrorists such Timothy McVeigh, Dylann Roof, Scott Roeder, Theodore Kaczynski, Wade Michael Page, etc. That's the primary problem with indiscriminate profiling. It causes law enforcement to focus time and effort one factor, giving an easier chance for criminals who don't fit the profile of the targeted group to do their worst.
12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Next DNC Chair: Ellison endorsed by many Democrats, Dean drops out of race on: December 03, 2016, 05:39:44 pm
So having a critical view of the State of Israel=supporter of segregation?
You are utterly deranged. People like you are why Israel is rapidly losing the sympathy of the world.
Guess what? The State exists largely because of the fact that Israel simply cannot depend on the "sympathy of the world". Israel relying on the "sympathy of the world" gave us the pogroms. People like you gave us Auschwitz. Now we have the State and no one cares about scum like you and their "sympathies" anymore. "The world" only "sympathizes" with Israel if we are being killed. But we are not your slaves anymore, sorry to disappoint.

Ernest is probably going to apply his own anti-Jewish policy in terms of moderation with regard to this post, but whatever.
Other than correcting in my reply your misspelling of my username, I'm not changing what you wrote. I think that establishment of the State of Israel was a mistake, but I don't call for it's elimination for the simple reason that two wrongs don't make a right. That said, I think in the long term the State of Israel is doomed. The only stable resolution is the two-state solution (and is in my mind the best possible outcome) and Israeli policy since 1995 makes that much harder to reach, if it was ever possible. Not that the Palestinians are doing anything either to enhance the prospect of a two-state solution.
13  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: What will the GOP look like in a few years? on: December 03, 2016, 04:44:26 pm
What will the party be like if Trump is a massive failure? What will the 7th party system look like?

When you think about it, I believe that Trump and his party will be a massive failure, because he stands for something that is dying. It's an old way of doing things that is hanging onto threads of a past which has already begun to stink and decay.

Most people don't want to go backwards in evolution, they look forward to a hopeful future.

While I grant that a good deal of Trump's appeal is a reactionary call to better past, a major reason that it has appeal is that for many people, the future laid out by the establishment of both parties was not particularly hopeful for them personally.

Yes, but you do need to take a look at who specifically those people are. The privileged, white male dominance mindset is becoming less and less sustainable in today's dynamic, multi-cultural, multi-lingual, multi-everything world. There is no way it can survive, and those clinging to the shreds of what is left may be gloating and strutting at the moment because they "won" this round, but they are living in a fantasy house of cards. Reality is going to hit them real hard, and soon. That's what I see.
While it certainly played a part, the idea that a "privileged, white male dominance mindset" was the principal part of Trump's appeal is false. It was other factors that led to Trump's victory in the Electoral Vote.
14  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Will there be "Stein" laws? on: December 03, 2016, 03:27:13 am
After this election will states, especially ones with republican trifectas. Change recount laws to require standing, proof of fraud, reduce the raw vote total needed for a recount, or give a shorter window of time for a recount to be requested to a fringe candidate with no standing cannot cost the state taxpayer money in a cynical fundraising push?

You do realize that Stein had to raise the money to pay for the recount, don't you?  (If the existing law doesn't actually charge enuf to cover the costs, then perhaps that part needs modification.)  That said, if South Carolina's automatic recount law was in effect in Michigan, the margin there is close enuf to trigger one.
15  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Next DNC Chair: Ellison endorsed by many Democrats, Dean drops out of race on: December 03, 2016, 03:13:29 am
The "they of all people" argument followed by a comparison of Israeli Jews to Nazi Germany. I think I just hit bingo.
There are some unfortunate parallels between Zionist claims to the West Bank and the German policy of lebensraum.  Fortunately, the parallels with Nazi ideology are far from complete, and I hope they never come close.  The parallels with South African apartheid however are stronger, especially among those Zionists seeking to limit Palestinians to bantustans that remain dependent upon Israel, but have no real power or independence.  I can see why bantustans would be appealing to some Zionists, as a one-state solution means that Israel cannot be both Jewish and democratic. That said, a two-state solution isn't viable right now either. The best I can see is that the Israeli/Palestinian mess continues to muddle through for another generation or two until such time as the conditions occur for the existence of two viable and independent states of Israel and Palestine.  It strikes even me as a utopian fantasy, but it is the only way I see for anything other than a dystopian future for the region.
16  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: What will the GOP look like in a few years? on: December 03, 2016, 02:27:40 am
What will the party be like if Trump is a massive failure? What will the 7th party system look like?

When you think about it, I believe that Trump and his party will be a massive failure, because he stands for something that is dying. It's an old way of doing things that is hanging onto threads of a past which has already begun to stink and decay.

Most people don't want to go backwards in evolution, they look forward to a hopeful future.

While I grant that a good deal of Trump's appeal is a reactionary call to better past, a major reason that it has appeal is that for many people, the future laid out by the establishment of both parties was not particularly hopeful for them personally.
17  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Anyone else excited for 'Mad Dog' Mattis being Secretary of Defense? on: December 02, 2016, 06:19:19 pm
He's actually Trump's best choice so far.

I don't understand why Gillibrand already wants to block him.

For the reasons Ernest has described.

Yeah, I wouldn't mind if Trump recalled him to active duty and made him Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but no recent general or admiral should be Secretary of Defense.
18  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: house science cmtee claims global warming is fake because it's cold in winter on: December 02, 2016, 12:53:19 pm
Always the same stuff



The old flat earth myth. The reason Columbus has trouble getting anyone to fund his voyage until Ferdinand and Isabella needed something to divert the energies that had been used in the reconquestia once Grenada fell in 1492, wasn't that they though the earth was flat. Rather it was that they thought the Earth was considerably bigger than Columbus thought it was. They were correct that it was impossible to sail west to China, as it was too far to go using the technology of the day. What no one considered was the wild card of there being land in-between Europe and China.
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Anyone else excited for 'Mad Dog' Mattis being Secretary of Defense? on: December 02, 2016, 12:44:02 pm
The only time the rule has been waived for Secretary of Defense was for Marshall during the Korean War. The reason for the rule is a good one and we aren't in anything comparable to Korea. The rule should not be waived for anyone. It's already been weakened from 10 years to 7. Even if it were weakened further to 5 years, Mad Dog still wouldn't be eligible.

Trump knows this, so do you think McConnell and other pubs assured him this would sail through?  If not it's a stupid nomination, although I'm in favor of Mattis himself.

It could be an early test of whether the remaining Nevertrumpers and the Democrats will fight this. A lot of people are going to think it's an arbitrary rule, which to some extent it is, albeit a good arbitrary rule. If he can get Mattis confirmed, then he can go on to get rid of other arbitrary rules such as our ethics laws, the 22nd Amendment, there being only nine justices on the Supreme Court, etc.
20  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Anyone else excited for 'Mad Dog' Mattis being Secretary of Defense? on: December 02, 2016, 10:40:50 am
The only time the rule has been waived for Secretary of Defense was for Marshall during the Korean War. The reason for the rule is a good one and we aren't in anything comparable to Korea. The rule should not be waived for anyone. It's already been weakened from 10 years to 7. Even if it were weakened further to 5 years, Mad Dog still wouldn't be eligible.
21  General Discussion / History / Re: What was the defining election of the 20th Century? on: December 02, 2016, 10:31:50 am
1936 rather than 1932 was the defining election. Given the depths of the depression, FDR's landslide in 1932 was not a portent of a permanent change. 1936 was.
22  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: History of primary runoffs in Southern states on: December 02, 2016, 08:02:49 am
Why are most states with primary runoffs in the South? Where does this tradition come from?
Likely from when the Democratic primary was the real election.
23  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Oregon school district bans Santa from classrooms; seeks religious tolerance on: December 02, 2016, 07:40:42 am
Santa Claus is not in the Bible, and the "fat jolly bearded guy in a red suite" thing was invented by Coca-Cola.
The red-suited Santa was already the popular image before Coca-Cola took him up, no doubt in part because he was already wearing their colors.
24  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Do you feel sorry for the 145 Trump voters in my precinct? on: December 02, 2016, 07:17:27 am
Why are you always so rude?

I only am to jfern, because he is terrible.

I forgot Jesus made an exception for jfern.

Jesus was often rude. I doubt he said, "Kind moneychanger, please step aside lest thou beest harmed when I leave thy table upsot."
25  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Do You See Congress Lifting the Trade Embargo on Cuba if Raul Castro Dies? on: December 01, 2016, 10:29:54 pm
Paul's passing is a necessary but not not sufficient condition for the ending of the embargo.

You mean Rand Paul's death would be a sufficient condition for ending of the embargo?
No I mean I didn't notice what my tablet's autocorrect did to what I typed.
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