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1  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Can't we just have one thread for Election Night results? on: Today at 12:01:59 am
I don't mind having individual state threads for people to discuss incoming results in particular races, but personally I think the scheme of trying to predict a priori which states will generate discussion is bunk.  Personally, I think having an omnibus thread for called races and then letting people who want to start state level discussion for races still in doubt as they have interest would have been the best approach.
2  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Oxford School of Absurdity, Ignorance, and Bad Posts IV on: October 30, 2014, 12:03:20 am
I realize he was trying to be funny, but even if he had succeeded at that this post would belong here for it utter non-sequiturness.

Pearson Pennant. You guys should adopt that one when you finally end your ridiculous relationship with the British crown.
Huh?  How is the Pearson Pennant any different from the current flag in indicating Canada's degree of relationship with the British crown?
It represents the STATUS QUO which is BAD because CAPITALISM is the STATUS QUO and therefore we need to move FAR AWAY from the status quo as we CAN - who are you, Edmund Burke?!
3  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Turkey being dicks near Cyprus on: October 29, 2014, 11:35:16 pm
politicus, the whole ten years prior to 1974 gives little confidence that a Cyprus unified with Greece would not have seen wholesale ethnic cleansing of the Turkish Cypriots.  Granted, for the reasons you mentioned, the Greeks would not have been seeking ethnic genocide of the Turkish minority of Cyprus, but rather a few atrocities combined with other pressures sufficient to cause the Turks to leave the island for the mainland.  But just because it wouldn't have been a wholesale massacre doesn't mean that it wouldn't have been a cleansing.
4  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: SC - Ervin (I) drops out endorses Sheheen (D) on: October 29, 2014, 04:07:34 pm
http://www.thestate.com/2014/10/28/3773874/ervin-drops-out-of-governors-race.html

I just don't get it.  Haley's going to win anyway.  Ervin did about as well as one could reasonably expect of a third party candidate where neither major party candidate was stuck with a scandal or the like.  Other than making a total fool out of himself, I don't see what Ervin accomplished by dropping out less than a week before the election.

As for his suggestion that his supporters switch to Sheheen, as far as I'm concerned fuhgeddaboudit.  It baffled me that the Dems in this state thought Sheheen would have any chance in a rematch with Haley, he ran a poor campaign in 2010 and he didn't noticeably improve.  Of the other two candidates, French (L) and Reeves (United Citizens) they both have run typically quirky third party campaigns, but their main issues aren't ones that I consider a priority, and French is just too libertarian for me to consider unless I desperately needed to make a protest vote, but I don't feel that need this year.  And so, I regretfully have to conclude that of the schmucks still running for governor, the one who would be most likely to get what I want done done is... Haley.  Hopefully we'll get a better governor than Nikki in 2018.  Almost certainly the Democrats will field a better candidate than Vincent in 2018.  But for 2014, with Ervin dropping out, I'm shifting my support to Haley.

How'd Sheheen come so close in 2010 if he ran such an awful campaign?

Haley was a relatively unknown young State Representative who had been closely associated politically with Mark Sanford.  His trip down the Appalachian Trail almost did in Haley even tho she had absolutely nothing to do with it.  If it hadn't been for Sanford's indiscretion, Haley easily would have gotten 55-43 instead of the 51-47 result she did get.
5  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: What's your favorite type of eschatology? on: October 29, 2014, 04:02:10 pm
There's also the pre-wrath premillennialism and Apostolic premillennialism teachings going around as well.

I favor amillenialism, but the only one of the four listed options I certainly don't accept is the pre-tribulational one.


What are your issues with the pre-trib view?

I don't see the text as supporting the view that the rapture could be an event separated in time from the second coming.
6  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / SC - Ervin (I) drops out endorses Sheheen (D) on: October 29, 2014, 02:36:52 pm
http://www.thestate.com/2014/10/28/3773874/ervin-drops-out-of-governors-race.html

I just don't get it.  Haley's going to win anyway.  Ervin did about as well as one could reasonably expect of a third party candidate where neither major party candidate was stuck with a scandal or the like.  Other than making a total fool out of himself, I don't see what Ervin accomplished by dropping out less than a week before the election.

As for his suggestion that his supporters switch to Sheheen, as far as I'm concerned fuhgeddaboudit.  It baffled me that the Dems in this state thought Sheheen would have any chance in a rematch with Haley, he ran a poor campaign in 2010 and he didn't noticeably improve.  Of the other two candidates, French (L) and Reeves (United Citizens) they both have run typically quirky third party campaigns, but their main issues aren't ones that I consider a priority, and French is just too libertarian for me to consider unless I desperately needed to make a protest vote, but I don't feel that need this year.  And so, I regretfully have to conclude that of the schmucks still running for governor, the one who would be most likely to get what I want done done is... Haley.  Hopefully we'll get a better governor than Nikki in 2018.  Almost certainly the Democrats will field a better candidate than Vincent in 2018.  But for 2014, with Ervin dropping out, I'm shifting my support to Haley.
7  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: New Zealand's Prime Minister favors changing the flag on: October 29, 2014, 09:21:32 am
And it looks like the Kiwis will have two referendums.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-29812549
The first, in 2015, will determine which design will be the new flag and then the second, in 2016, will determine if New Zealand will replace their current flag with the chosen new flag.
8  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Turkey being dicks near Cyprus on: October 29, 2014, 08:41:26 am
1. Its not constructive to let our disagreement over the Israel/Palestine conflict spill over to other topics.

2 There are a number of problematic aspects with both Turkish society and the current Turkish government, so being critical of Turkey is a fully reasonable position.

2. Cyprus had a population distribution that was 80% Greek, 18% Turkish and 2% Armenian, when the Turks invaded, so the Cypriot government had every right to seek unification with Greece, it was a matter of national self determination.

Given the way the Greeks and Turks have been acting like dicks to each other ever since 1919 (and before), if the Turks hadn't invaded after the Greek coup, the Turkish population of Cyprus would likely have ended up being ethnically cleansed by now if it were a part of Greece.  [Not entirely, but if Cyprus was over 5% Turkish after 40 years of Greek rule, I'd be extremely surprised.]  Granted, all the invasion did was ensure that it wasn't just Turks who got ethnically cleansed, but to pretend that everything would be hunky-dory if it weren't for the awful Turks is to ignore reality.
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: AP-GfK polls Americans' belief in the paranormal on: October 29, 2014, 12:52:19 am
I'd quibble with the description "things that are not real" except they used the same color to indicate Republicans. Wink

More seriously, while I myself don't believe in any of the purple things (except maybe the dreams and even there I don't have a paranormal explanation) for a number of them I'm willing to accept the possibility and thus would have preferred a description of "things not scientifically established to be true".

(When it comes to dreams, I think our dreams are often a result of our sleeping brain trying to process the data of the previous day and that during that processing, it at times will run simulations of what might happen.  But the resulting prediction of the future is just an extrapolation from known data rather than any sort of paranormal prognostication.)
10  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: The Great Canadian Flag Debate on: October 28, 2014, 09:59:46 pm
Assuming each Canadian province were admitted as a separate state:


However, I think PEI is too small to be a US state and I doubt Quebec would ever willingly join the US, so this 58 star flag would be more likely:

Or 57 if N&L stays out as well:


Not that I care for any of these, especially as "Canadian" flags.
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / MOVED: Pope Francis accepts evolution and Big Bang theory, says God isn't a magician on: October 28, 2014, 09:34:52 pm
This topic has been moved to Religion & Philosophy.

http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=201371.0
12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The 2014 political environment on: October 28, 2014, 06:39:20 pm
So in the same day, FOX just showed Democrats ahead by 1 in the generic ballot, and the Washington Post showed Republicans ahead by 6. Did I just enter bizarro world?

No, just the media trying to get their respective audiences into a tizzy by releasing a poll that would worry them.
13  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: The Great Canadian Flag Debate on: October 28, 2014, 03:29:49 pm
Pearson Pennant. You guys should adopt that one when you finally end your ridiculous relationship with the British crown.
Huh?  How is the Pearson Pennant any different from the current flag in indicating Canada's degree of relationship with the British crown?
14  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Steve King: "I donít expect to meet [gays] should I make it to heaven." on: October 28, 2014, 01:26:54 pm
How good to know that Rep. King is so clean of sin himself and also so familiar with every single gay person in the world and what they have done in their lives that he has the privilege to make a statement damning a massive group of individuals to hell.
Except King doesn't claim that.  He assumes that if gay can make it there, his own actions are going to preclude his being there.

So he assumes that he is less sinful than every member of the gay community?

Are you incapable of reading comprehension, or are you simply insisting on continuing to make your point regardless of whether it has any relevance as part of a reply?  To the degree I bothered to decode King's logic, he was saying that if he was wrong about actively gay people wouldn't be in heaven, then his own hateful mistakes would preclude him from being there with them.  (Yeah, I know, I'm being awfully generous to King, as I doubt he realized he was allowing for the possibility that he truly might be wrong, but still...)

The bolded part isn't just being generous, it's imposing a reading that the text doesn't explicitly support. It doesn't preclude it, but that's all.
Perhaps. I'm not going to go back and reread what was attributed to King to double check the degree to which my impression matched reality because I don't really care all that much about King. However, it certainly does match what I said the first time and to which M. Illini made his non-sequitur of a reply to me.
15  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of endtime.com on: October 28, 2014, 01:19:56 pm
But what's really bizarre is how anyone who believes the Bible is literally true in all it says could put any stock on this crap.

You seem to assume that everyone who believes the Bible is literally true has both read the whole Bible and comprehended what they read.
16  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Battle of the polar opposites: FDR vs. RWR on: October 28, 2014, 01:13:59 pm
I wouldn't normally consider these two to be polar opposites, except maybe on the budget.  FDR tried to bring the budget back into balance once he thought the economy was back on track, but that lead to the recession of 1937-8.  Conversely, Reagan didn't worry about trying to balance the budget, which in part is why the economy did so well.

I would hardly say that unemployment never going under 7 percent during his whole term in office is an economy that is doing "well," especially when you compare it to the almost nonexistent unemployment figures of the 1950s and 1960s, or the near total employment of everyone in the country during Roosevelt's Third Term. As far as neoliberal Presidencies go, Reagan definitely did the worst job of handling unemployment, although Obama definitely gives him a run for his money there, with Clinton doing the best thanks to the tech boom of the 1990s.

Well, if we want the success Roosevelt had with unemployment in his third term, I guess we can always just have another world war.
17  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Battle of the polar opposites: FDR vs. RWR on: October 28, 2014, 01:04:43 pm
I wouldn't normally consider these two to be polar opposites, except maybe on the budget.  FDR tried to bring the budget back into balance once he thought the economy was back on track, but that lead to the recession of 1937-8.  Conversely, Reagan didn't worry about trying to balance the budget, which in part is why the economy did so well.
18  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Steve King: "I donít expect to meet [gays] should I make it to heaven." on: October 28, 2014, 12:54:17 pm
How good to know that Rep. King is so clean of sin himself and also so familiar with every single gay person in the world and what they have done in their lives that he has the privilege to make a statement damning a massive group of individuals to hell.
Except King doesn't claim that.  He assumes that if gay can make it there, his own actions are going to preclude his being there.

So he assumes that he is less sinful than every member of the gay community?

Are you incapable of reading comprehension, or are you simply insisting on continuing to make your point regardless of whether it has any relevance as part of a reply?  To the degree I bothered to decode King's logic, he was saying that if he was wrong about actively gay people wouldn't be in heaven, then his own hateful mistakes would preclude him from being there with them.  (Yeah, I know, I'm being awfully generous to King, as I doubt he realized he was allowing for the possibility that he truly might be wrong, but still...)
19  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins on: October 27, 2014, 11:58:21 pm
But at least Rob Ford will still be there on the Council to help ensure that Toronto will have its fair share of gits and shiggles.
20  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: What's your favorite type of eschatology? on: October 27, 2014, 10:57:54 pm
 I favor amillenialism, but the only one of the four listed options I certainly don't accept is the pre-tribulational one.
21  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Is Homosexuality a sin? on: October 27, 2014, 10:49:25 pm
So?  Your argument is based upon the premise that a loving God must give each human an equal shot at happiness and self-fulfillment.  It's a wonderfully egalitarian premise, but frankly it is illogical to assume as you have that it must be a premise that God uses to maximize either human happiness or universal good.

If one is going to mount a valid argument against the legitimacy of Bible-based homophobia, it isn't going to be made by attacking the logical results that one gets if one starts with premise that the entire Bible is both inerrantly received and the infallible word of God.  Nor do the homophobic results of Leviticus by themselves create any sort of logical contradictions.
22  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Is Homosexuality a sin? on: October 27, 2014, 04:10:46 pm
If God is Love, would God put any human being in such a stressful conundrum?

Read the Book of Job.

More generally, each of us is placed in stressful conundrums during our life, many of which are beyond our ability to resolve.  Yet since God is Love, why does he allow that to happen?  The argument against a loving God ever allowing us to be placed into unpleasant circumstances depends upon the false presumption that God's omnipotence means that he can do the impossible.  It's a simple exercise in basic to logic to construct a set of statements in which it is logically consistent for any two of the statements to be true, yet impossible to make all three statements be true.  Not even God can do the impossible.

If one is going to argue the impossibility of sexual orientation being a sin, one needs a better argument than mere logic.  Logic is silent on this topic.
23  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Lithuania gets LNG processing terminal and new deal with Norway for LNG on: October 27, 2014, 03:42:36 pm
dead0man, you just don't get it do you?  All they've done is chosen to be crushed under Solberg's boot instead of Putin's!
24  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Massachusetts Question 1 on: October 27, 2014, 02:41:50 pm
No, inflation adjustment is sensible.
25  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Is Cheerleading a Sport? on: October 27, 2014, 01:29:30 pm
Perhaps my bias comes from the fact that the cheerleaders at my school are the most narcissistic, hive minded, self-centered, attention seeking, self-gratifying pieces of filth I have ever witnessed.

God, I hate nerds.

Says the guy on the website dedicated to maps and political demographics. Wink

So he's a self-loathing nerd.
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