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1  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump's first address to Congress - Feb. 28 on: Today at 08:27:01 am
When is the official state of the union address??

Next year.  New presidents don't have official SOTUs in their first year, but they usually call a joint session anyway.

But of course next year we could have a totally new president, so who knows?

It used to be the case that outgoing presidents would give a final State of the Union message. Ford was the last to do so by a speech and Carter gave a written departing message. Ford's final SotU is also the first I recall watching.
2  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Will Robot Rights be a thing one day? on: Today at 02:58:36 am
I doubt your premise will happen, but if it does, then maybe.

Why don't you think it would happen?  Surely the technology will get to that point (of a Westworld like creation) assuming laws don't restrict it.
Why? Fully autonomous anthropomorphic robots aren't needed to fulfill the intended purpose of Westworld or for that matter any commercial purpose I can think of. Even if it becomes possible, I doubt more than a handful would be built as research curiosities.

I could see commercial applications for this... For instance, perhaps consumers want a car that drives itself but not feeling like it's just a car... or consumers want human-like robots to do menial jobs rather than ATM-style windows... and then just outright sleazy purposes a la westworld... I'm sure there would be a market for that.
But there would be no commercial reason to make the androids fully autonomous. Limited autonomy will be both cheaper and more predictable. Businesses hate risk.
3  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump's first address to Congress - Feb. 28 on: Today at 02:50:27 am
I wonder if anyone will have the audacity to tell him "You Lie!" when he does.
4  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Will Robot Rights be a thing one day? on: Today at 02:47:16 am
I doubt your premise will happen, but if it does, then maybe.

Why don't you think it would happen?  Surely the technology will get to that point (of a Westworld like creation) assuming laws don't restrict it.
Why? Fully autonomous anthropomorphic robots aren't needed to fulfill the intended purpose of Westworld or for that matter any commercial purpose I can think of. Even if it becomes possible, I doubt more than a handful would be built as research curiosities.
5  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Will Robot Rights be a thing one day? on: Today at 12:58:54 am
I doubt your premise will happen, but if it does, then maybe.
6  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Harvard/Harris Poll: Americans side with Trump on immigration/deportation on: February 22, 2017, 09:57:06 pm
So the 51% in this poll saying that 100,000 Syrian refugees this year is too many...that sounds plausible to me.
Granted, Obama wanted to increase the number of refugees admitted, but the last fiscal year we admitted 100,000 refugees was 1995.  We didn't let in even 40,000 refugees from the Middle East as a whole during any Obama fiscal year.  So apparently Trump could brag about "reducing" the number of Syrian refugees to 50,000 and people would believe him.

https://2009-2017.state.gov/j/prm/releases/statistics/251288.htm
7  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Will there be naval vessels named after Clinton, Bush, 43, Obama, and Trump? on: February 22, 2017, 08:40:34 am
Every President between FDR and Bush 41 had some prior military service. Except for Bush 43 keeping the skies of Texas safe in the TANG during Vietnam, the later Presidents don't. There are plenty of Presidents who haven't had a ship named after them. Obama's the only one of these four that might get a ship named after him, and I doubt it'll be an aircraft carrier if it happens.
8  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Canada's early history on: February 22, 2017, 12:58:43 am
Really it's silly that Canada is not a part of the United States.  What's the point?

Have you seen who your President is?

If Canada were part of the United States, most likely the U.S President right now would be Hillary Clinton.
Nope. If all Canadian provinces were States, together they'd have 68 EVs, so Trump still wins 306-300 assuming Hillary wins all ten Canadian States and no faithless electors.
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Bill OíReilly Says We Donít Have A Free Press Because Itís Too Liberal on: February 21, 2017, 08:56:52 pm

Germany has only two fully-fledged 24-hour news channels in the mold of CNN etc. Those two channels are n-tv and N24.

[...]

I would criticize both channels for being fairly low-brow though. This is marked by their excessive use of more or less trashy pseudo-documentary infotainment to fill up their programming.

For instance, both are often mocked for being "the Hitler channels" due their frequent re-runs of documentaries about Hitler's mental state, Hitler's sex life, Hitler's childhood, and Hitler's pets.


So in other words, they're the German version of the History Channel. 😝
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump writing new travel ban + more deportations on: February 21, 2017, 08:49:11 pm
I can't wait to see him when courts throw a new other into the garbage again.
You may have to wait. As long as it doesn't target existing visa holders, it'll likely stand.
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Gallup poll on US favorability of other countries:Canada,UK popular N. Korea not on: February 21, 2017, 08:47:38 pm
Expected Israel to be lower. Probably should be.
The factors that would lower Israel's popularity are mainly ones that would come into play if the Israeli far right continues its rise and decides it no longer needs to maintain a veneer of civility. Whereas the PA has been and likely will continue to be governed for sometime to come by self-serving kleptocratic jackasses. Israel benefits from its opponents being worse.
12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Anti-Vaccine Parents Feel Empowered by Donald Trump on: February 21, 2017, 07:47:35 pm
If my kid has been vaccinated against the measels should I really fear for her safety in public school because some other kid who wasnt so lucky is hypothetically allowed in rather than being denied an education?
Yes. Vaccines are not 100% effective. The success of vaccination lies with the fact that even with only 90% effectiveness it can break the chain of transmission.
13  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The faker-in-chief: No single day without a lie on: February 21, 2017, 07:42:13 pm
Poor old Trumpy.

It would appear you can lead an ungrateful left wing populous to water, but cannot make them drink.

Not everyone lives in JonesTrumptown and drinks his KoolAid.
14  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Hypocrisy of the left on the media on: February 21, 2017, 07:58:06 am
Yeah, when Trump gets a bit more fact based, he can get back to me with his whining. In the meantime, I just laugh at him, which is to be expected because  - well, he's a clown. Who knew? Trump, the fake facts POTOS.
Have you no sympathy for the victims of Stockholm?
15  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: H.R. McMaster is the new National Security Advisor on: February 21, 2017, 05:24:33 am
For a second I thought this was Henry McMaster. That would have been quite a sudden rise for Kevin L. Bryant.
Henry ain't going nowhere, no how. He's got the job he wanted and unfortunately he's likely to stay in it for the next ten years.
16  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Would you still post on Atlas if it was just AIs talking to each other? on: February 20, 2017, 04:08:30 am

So how does one get drunk-posting AIs?  Give them Pentium poisoning?
17  General Politics / Economics / Re: Is Microfinancing/microcredit a scam? on: February 20, 2017, 03:51:53 am
It's not the panacea it's often been portrayed as.  As with many things, when done right, it's a benefit; when done wrong, it's a detriment. It's being touted as a panacea led to its overuse, and thus to the problems outlined in the article Antonio linked.  Where the limiting factor for microcapitalism is a lack of access to credit, it can be a benefit, but with all the get-rich-quick hucksters that flowed into the field, even that is problematic now.
18  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Report: Netanyahu rejected Middle East peace deal last year on: February 20, 2017, 03:25:16 am
Unfortunately, I don't think a peace deal is possible right now.  While as described, the plan is about what would be needed, there's just no prospect for buy-in of it on either the Israeli or Palestinian side.
19  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Eharding = Derek? on: February 20, 2017, 01:38:41 am
I don't see Eharding as being at all similar to Derek, and I've seen enuf to convince me that regardless of his other faults, being a sock isn't one of them. If he ever be banned, it won't be for being a sock.  If we banned people for making too many posts, then BRTD would have been banned long ago.  It'll be the quality of his posts, not the quantity that leads to Eharding being banned, if that ever happens.  I hope not.
20  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Dems become big-time NATO supporters for some reason on: February 19, 2017, 11:56:19 pm
Uh, if you don't understand why Democrats support NATO, then you don't understand the Democratic Party or American liberalism, or the history of either.

-Look at the 1990s #s, dude.

That was back when some people thought the collapse of the Soviet Union presaged the "end of history" was near. Putin's definitely shown that to not be the case and managed to make NATO relevant again. If Russia had managed to make the transition to a peaceful liberal democracy instead of the nationalist illiberal autocracy that Putin has steered it to become, there'd be no need for NATO. It didn't help that Yeltsin was a drunken idiot.
21  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Roe Died on: February 19, 2017, 11:34:25 pm
Honestly, I tend to think she was taken advantage of by Sarah Weddington, who was basically just out to make a name for herself. And I say that as someone whose views would generally be regarded as pro-choice.

If the abortion rights movement had simply been content to let abortion slowly become legalized state-by-state, it would have been much harder for a cohesive pro-life movement to metastasize onto the Christian Right and create such a major backlash.
Was abortion even much of a political issue before Roe v. Wade?



 Red-  Illegal.
 Purple- Legal in cases of rape.
 Blue-  Legal in cases of danger to woman's health.
 Green-  Legal in cases of danger to woman's health, rape or incest, or likely damaged fetus.
 Yellow-  Legal upon request.


WTF New Jersey? Granted I guess you could just go to New York so it wasn't that big of a deal, but still weird. Also how is the South more progressive than most of the country?

The current "battle lines" on abortion did not exist in the early 1970s.

At that time, you still had a lot of Catholics in the Northeast who had a traditionalist stance on abortion (or rather, they didn't really think too much about abortion specifically, but they deferred to the Church, which opposed it). An example of this was Prescott Bush (Episcopalian Republican) getting defeated for reelection to the Senate in Connecticut in 1962 because Catholics (already Democratic-leaning) regarded him as too pro-choice/pro-birth control.

Mainline Protestants were okay with abortion and birth control, and conservative Protestants simply didn't address it (they weren't out agitating to support it, but they weren't actively opposing it). The Southern Baptist Convention didn't even take an official position on abortion until the late 1970s in response to the Roe decision.

The relatively permissive regulations in the South make sense when you consider how completely neurotic these people were about miscegenation and family honor. If their daughter was raped by a black man, they wanted to know they had the ability to "take care of the matter." Note the illegality in Catholic Louisiana, and in Tennessee and Texas with their relatively small black populations.
That has to be one of the most idiotic, ill informed, and biased posts I've seen here.  If you were to make a map for 1967, just six years earlier, it would have been solid red. The idea that abortion laws in the South were influenced by a desire to prevent miscegenation is ludicrous.
22  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Should the MSP airport Charles Lindbergh Terminal be renamed? on: February 19, 2017, 11:20:41 pm
There doesn't seem to be a connection between Lindbergh and Minneapolis, so I wouldn't be opposed per second, but it would depend on who you name it after.  As long as it ain't yet another dead politician, that'd be fine, but renaming it for Mondale or Wellstone is a non-starter in my opinion. Renaming it after Keillor once he passes on would be a fitting tribute.
23  General Discussion / Constitution and Law / Re: Idea for a Constitutional Amendment on: February 19, 2017, 12:22:09 pm
Lincoln used the Articles of Confederation, which explicitly mentioned it being a perpetual union to justify the impossibility of secession.
24  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump's Desire for a Wall Meets Resistance from Border Experts on: February 19, 2017, 02:16:46 am
Just start calling it the Pence Fence and we good. Problem solved!

That reminds of how I wanted the weather camera the local TV news had showing the scene at Lake Murray from the dam to be called the Dam Cam.
25  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Reuters: Seattle DREAMer Arrested for Deportation on: February 19, 2017, 02:14:42 am
Remember when all the Atlas Democrats started sneering at us that he'd break all of his promises after the election? They've been wrong once again. The more they predict bad things for us, the better things become.

-Trump has not yet rescinded DACA.
He will. You can't just rescind something overnight. I've always wondered why Republicans voted 56 times for Obama to veto their own repeal bill. The worst thing that has happened to the Republican base is their impatience. Thanks to Obama's inclination for the pen and the phone along with Nancy Pelosi's hard-charging leadership style as Speaker, Obama got a lot of stuff done in a short amount of time.

Trump's plans needs to last. He can't repeal DACA by executive order only for the next Democrat President to reinstate it as easily as he destroyed it. This needs to be done through legislation and enshrined in the law.
If we still have DACA by the time Trump leaves office something is seriously wrong. DACA is not a way to run a countries immigration system long term. Trump hasn't destroyed DACA at all.

I'll grant that DACA is a bandage, but even if we fix the system to make it less likely there will be future Dreamers, that doesn't really affect what we should do with people who grew up here in the US and are acculturated as Americans.
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