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1  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: NH close to becoming 19th state to abolish the death penalty on: Today at 09:19:26 pm
While Ernest already took most of the words all of my mouth, it's also worth noting that a white cop killer, Gordon Perry, in 1997 was offered a plea deal to avoid the death penalty. Michael Addison, the black man who killed a police officer, had his request denied and was sentenced to death.

Clearly race wasn't a factor, right?


Of course not.  Racism only occurs in the South.
2  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Opinion of marijuana edibles on: Today at 08:28:39 pm
Yes, but people are stupid and can't be bothered to read, eat too much and jump off balconies. And apparently for some people, the rational thing to do would be to ban edibles rather than let stupid people die off.

That's silly.  What we need to do is ban balconies.  Nothing good ever comes of them.  Remember Romeo and Juliet?  Those kids might have lived long happy lives were it not for that balcony Juliet was on.
3  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Only in America on: Today at 08:26:28 pm
Sadly South Carolina can top that in terms of recent tragedies:

Midlands child accidentally killed by gun at a birthday party remembered for big smile, good heart
4  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: The Dutch on: Today at 08:20:26 pm
Still couldn't see how the Dutch could stick out against any other White ethnicity.

Church.  It's sorta like how the Germans in South Carolina stick out because of their Lutheranism.  It's been said that 11am Sunday morning is the most segregated hour in the United States, and that's not just true for Black/white segregation but also for segregation between White ethnic groups.
5  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: The Dutch on: Today at 06:44:22 pm
The Census does not ask questions about religion, but that data is collected by the Association of Religious Data Archives (ARDA). They have 2010 data in map form, but it's only by state. There is county data in the GIS mapping tool for 2009. In either case there is no map that shows the largest denomination like the 2000 data does. One could construct it from the tables on their site.

You mean like this map already posted in this thread?
I see these maps in a lot of places, but is there ever going to be an updated version based on the 2010 Census?



I do get a kick out of Newberry County be a lone spot of Lutheran strength in the South.  That's due of course to the area being settled mainly by Germans during the Colonial era.  Lexington County north of the fall line was also settled mainly by Germans, but it's had a lot more in-migration since then than Newberry, tho you still see the German influence in the last names of a lot of the influential people with roots in the community.
6  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Ireland General Discussion on: Today at 06:29:05 pm
We are where we are

We have turned so many corners that we have lost count.

Turn enough corners and you find you've ended up back where you started without having accomplished anything for all your travels.
7  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Oklahoma Strips Cities of the Right to Pass Higher Wages, Sick Leave on: Today at 01:11:07 pm
Sure. But why can't you believe that it's best to have local control or not based on the politics of the relevant locality?

Because then you are treating local/central control as a tactic to obtain a desired policy rather than an issue to be decided based on whether local or central control of an issue leads to a more coherent policy.  It means you think it's irrelevant whether an issue is decided locally or not and I strongly disagree.

I feel that decisions should be made as locally as possible unless having a decision made locally would unduly impact other locales and that this should trump all consideration of whether central or local control would result in an overall policy choice that is more pleasing to me.  Local control generally gives people empowerment and it leads to increased ownership of issue decisions, which is why ideally all issues would be decided locally.  Yet, we don't live in an ideal world.  Decisions made in one town can affect other towns.  Decisions made in one state can affect other states.  Decisions made in one nation can affect other nations.  If local control leads to the least common denominator effect, then control of an issue needs to be more centrally decided.

On this particular issue, local control is not optimum policy.  While for retail businesses, the effects of location will largely trump the decisions made on these issues, we can't have a economy based solely on retail.  Having full local control means manufacturing jobs will be subject to the least common denominator effect, especially for the unskilled or semi-skilled jobs most impacted by them.  This is even true for as is the case currently in the US where local decisions can only increase the local minimum wage or local sick leave requirements.  It would be nice to think we could all live in Lake Wobegon, where we are superlative, but we can't.  While some of us can live in Lake Wobegon if we encourage the below average riff-raff to go elsewhere, I don't think that's desirable.  A high minimum wage tells employers who can easily locate their business anywhere to go elsewhere if they would otherwise pay less than that minimum.  So basically, a high local minimum wage is a tool of gentrification and/or continual unemployment/underemployment of low skilled workers.

If I had my druthers, I'd have one universal minimum wage for the continental U.S., and allow Alaska, Hawaii, and the island territories whose local economies are less integrated into the main U.S. economy (and because of geography, never can be fully integrated the way the lower 48 + D.C. are) to set their own minimum wages.  An additional beneficial side effect of such a policy on the minimum wage and similar labor policies is that it would encourage the labor movement to get off its duff and start giving more than lip service to labor issues in the South and non-coastal West.  The weakness of the labor movement in the South is to a large extent because in the past the Northern labor movement gave up on the South, as is perhaps best exemplified by the Textile Strike of 1934.  Northern workers abandoned Southern workers then in what seemed at the time to be a good decision, but it certainly has come to bite the national labor movement in the ass in its long term effects.
8  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Oklahoma Strips Cities of the Right to Pass Higher Wages, Sick Leave on: Today at 06:41:14 am
It is sad, but not at all surprising, that people are basing their opinion here not on whether they think it is a good idea for such policies to be set at the local level, but whether they can get the policies they prefer more easily if they are set on the state level or the local level.

Why is that sad? It's perfectly reasonable for someone to prefer local control because the politics are favorable while remaining ambivalent about whether it's generally better to set policy at that level of government.
You may have noticed my screen name, no?  I feel that it would be better to decide which level to set policy at because it is best to have local control or not have local control.
9  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Do you think I'm the "Forum's creep" ? on: April 19, 2014, 10:13:03 pm
Since you are a moderator, by definition you are "a Forum creep" but I certainly wouldn't call you "the Forum creep".
10  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Bacon King Institute of Comedy on: April 19, 2014, 10:10:31 pm

Visiting Grinnell College. Also its rather embarassing to admit, but it'll be the first time I'm out of California...

Look, we know you're thinking about a 2016 run.  You don't have to hide it.
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: NH close to becoming 19th state to abolish the death penalty on: April 19, 2014, 10:05:17 pm
Yes, clearly ensuring that a future potential mass murderer is not given what they deserve is more paramount of a concern than the thousands of lives that get destroyed every year due to the War on Drugs.
Actually, mass murder does not qualify one for the death penalty in New Hampshire, tho that commonly is something that qualifies one for the punishment in many jurisdictions that have the death penalty.  Most serial killers would qualify as they typically kidnap and/or sexually assault their victims first, but if someone were to do as the Beltway sniper or as the Sandy Hook shooter did then they would not be eligible for the death penalty in New Hampshire.
12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Teabagging fascists in TN move to nullify federal ban on hemp produciton on: April 19, 2014, 09:56:53 pm
I wouldn't call the South Carolina law a nullification law.  All it does is specify that for purposes of South Carolina law, industrial hemp is not marihuana (providing penalties for growing hemp in a manner intended to conceal the growing of marihuana) and uses the definition of industrial hemp under Federal law to define industrial hemp under South Carolina law.  I realize it is quite tempting to use the words South Carolina and nullify in the same sentence, but if anything, this law is recognizing the supremacy of Federal law and leaving the regulation of industrial hemp in the hands of the Federal government.
13  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The KC shooter has a website, was a NC gubernatorial candidate in 1984 on: April 19, 2014, 09:36:59 pm
Surely this maniac would rather shoot us than sue us?
He's safely behind bars for now.  His lawyers aren't.

Surely this maniac would rather shoot us than sue us?
Don't you dare drag common sense into this.
We're talking copyright law, not common sense.
14  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of this Video Clip on: April 19, 2014, 04:50:09 pm
HC, but it's a four year old clip.  Couldn't you find something more recent that Rushbo has said for us to mock?
15  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: More than 100 hate-crime murders linked to single website, report finds on: April 19, 2014, 04:15:37 pm
I wonder how many murders could be linked to Facebook?

More seriously, the report seems to rely upon the facetious idea that correlation implies causation.  It's not surprising at all that people who end up committing hate-motivated crimes would tend to make use of a website that accepts their hate as normal.  Furthermore, as the preeminent hate website, one should expect that Stormfront would have more such crimes be committed by its users than other similar websites. But none of this proves that visiting Stormfront causes people to go out and commit hate-crimes.  Now maybe if they could show some instances of people planning such crimes on the site or taking suggestions of what to do from it, I'd find the SPLC report worthwhile.  But the report reads like something written by Captain Obvious that justifies the aphorism that "there are, lies, damned lied, and statistics."
16  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone II - Less Boring, More Whoring on: April 19, 2014, 12:27:47 pm
Did you guys also do the Prayer for the Faithless Jews?

Not quite.  There were quite a few prayers including a prayer for the Jews, a prayer for those theists who don't believe in Christ, and a prayer for atheists, but not one specific to faithless Jews.

The prayer for the Jews was:
Almighty and eternal God,
long ago you gave your promise to Abraham and your teaching to Moses.
Hear our prayers that the people you called and elected as your own
may receive the fulfillment of the covenant's promises.
We ask this through Christ our Lord.
Amen.


The prayer for non-Christian theists was:
Almighty and eternal God, gather into your embrace
all those who cal out to you under different names.
Bring an end to inter-religious strife,
and make us more faithful witnesses
of the love made known to us in your Son.
We ask this through Christ our Lord.
Amen.
17  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Ukraine Crisis on: April 19, 2014, 12:01:28 pm

That has been brought up before.  It's even entirely possible Putin has caused the crisis so as to give him an excuse for the economy once it becomes more apparent that it's gone bad.
18  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone II - Less Boring, More Whoring on: April 19, 2014, 11:57:29 am
I am still concerned that my reading of Psalm 22 at the Good Friday service was overdramatic given the way the rest of the service went. But it got good reviews, so what do I know?  I will say this tho, the NRSV is not the best translation for a dramatic reading of Psalm 22, but as it's the version in the pew Bibles, it is what I went with.
19  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Pakistani girls/women's madrassa names library after Osama Bin Laden on: April 19, 2014, 10:31:02 am
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/osama-bin-laden-honored-library-pakistan-school-n84081

Bin Laden's probably turning over in his underwater grave right now, given all the years he fought to prevent girls and women from learning.

I'm not aware of hm having taken any particular stance on that issue.  Now if they had named a music conservatory after him, there would be a new whirlpool in the Indian Ocean now as he had said that "Music is the flute of the devil."
20  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Some Thread Hijacked By A Copyright Discussion on: April 19, 2014, 10:12:03 am
And I do believe this is transformative under the same copyright standard.
I don't see how this particular use could have been considered transformative without essentially saying that anything that gets copied and pasted into the forum is transformative.  Furthermore, Dave has made it clear he wants us to err on the side of caution with respect to copyright, probably precisely because he doesn't care to bear the expenses the defendants in Dhillon v. Doe incurred despite winning their case.
21  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Do you mostly hold the same religious beliefs as your parents? on: April 19, 2014, 10:04:20 am
Mom and Dad are Catholics, as am I. We go to church though only Easter and Christmas; and else don't bother much what the church does and says...

Ah yes, the C&E's.  Taken collectively out of all the churches they nominally belong to, I suspect the C&E's would be the largest denomination in America.  Yet the C&E's and the regulars need each other.  Without the regulars, the C&E's would probably be unable to organize enough to build churches of their own to celebrate Christmas, Easter, baptisms, weddings, and funerals. Without the C&E's, the regulars would have to dig deeper into their own pockets to fund their church, tho they wouldn't need facilities quite as large so the financial strain wouldn't be quite as bad as it first appears.
22  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Posts per day? on: April 18, 2014, 11:11:45 pm
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23  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The KC shooter has a website, was a NC gubernatorial candidate in 1984 on: April 18, 2014, 10:22:47 pm
A single publicity photo isn't anywhere close to the level of being a substantial amount of a creative work the way an entire campaign manifesto is, especially when said manifesto is presented with essentially no commentary or criticism.
24  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Richard Dawkins on: April 18, 2014, 09:38:33 pm
How many religions are based on math, logic, reason or science?
Pythagoreanism would seem to be a logical candidate.
25  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Crystal Math XI: Stars on: April 18, 2014, 09:31:54 pm
I can see two possible tricks that might be involved.
1.  The drawn star will be rotated so as to not be upright since similar figures do not have to have the same orientation.
2.  The drawn star will have one or more of its line segments overlay those of one or more smaller star since that technically would not be intersecting lines.
I don't really care enough to try drawing the star tho.
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