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15201  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: I Want Ilikeverin's Head Now Caucus (IWIHN) on: March 03, 2011, 09:29:32 pm
I rather have the Head of Vecna.
15202  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Civil Rights and Equality Caucus (CREC) on: March 03, 2011, 09:05:47 pm
#7 is problematic.  Are you supporting NAMBLA?
15203  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: Signatories of the Declaration of Independence Survivor on: March 03, 2011, 09:03:52 pm
Eliminate:
5 Caesar Rodney

Keep
2 Thomas Lynch, Jr.
1 Edward Rutledge
15204  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: Non-UN member States with limited recognition survivor - round 9 on: March 03, 2011, 09:01:38 pm
Eliminate Somaliland

Sahrawi for Survivor
15205  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: English/British Monarchs Survivor (1066-present) - ROUND 2 on: March 03, 2011, 09:00:30 pm
Eliminate:
2 William III
1 Stephen
1 William I

Keep:
Matilda
15206  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Cannabis Caucus on: March 03, 2011, 08:55:22 pm
To be consistent, your point number two would mean that that this caucus would have to be opposed to any sort of a carbon tax or other means of limiting the use of fossil fuels via market mechanisms.  Whether it be cannabis or gasoline, consumption taxes on such optional products, set at a rate consistent with maximizing revenue is good policy.

That's a totally irrelevant and nonsensical nonsequitur, although I personally oppose such taxes as well.

Hardly a nonsequitur:
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2.  We oppose attempts to limit personal choice and freedom via taxes or regulations designed to limit consumption of marijuana or other legal substances ("sin taxes" and the like).

Gasoline and coal are legal substances and any sort of government policy that tries to curb greenhouse gas emissions are will be trying to "limit consumption of ... legal substances".  Indeed, fossil fuels are often likened to a drug that our economy is addicted to.
15207  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Official US 2010 Census Results on: March 03, 2011, 11:32:46 am
The timing for those states is much more critical than a state that just needs to have something done by this time next year.

Problem is, unless DOJ preclearance and the inevitable VRA lawsuits are taken care of more quickly than I expect, the General Assembly needs to pass a plan this session, not at the start of the next session to have things done by this time next year. This session is scheduled to end, as does every regular session, on the first Thursday of June. June 2.  There are provisions for extending the session if the budget is delayed, but non-budget matters require a 2/3 vote of each house after June 2.  The GOP is in control, but it doesn't have a 2/3 majority in either House.  A partisan redistricting plan will not pass during an extended session.
15208  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: List of Alternate Presidents on: March 02, 2011, 11:05:50 pm
So which State did Carter move to?  Georgia didn't have a Senate election in 1970, so he couldn't have been elected to one there.  (Or did you envisage Carter appointing himself to Russell's seat when he died?)
15209  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Cannabis Caucus on: March 02, 2011, 10:40:35 pm
To be consistent, your point number two would mean that that this caucus would have to be opposed to any sort of a carbon tax or other means of limiting the use of fossil fuels via market mechanisms.  Whether it be cannabis or gasoline, consumption taxes on such optional products, set at a rate consistent with maximizing revenue is good policy.
15210  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Official US 2010 Census Results on: March 02, 2011, 10:27:06 pm
Why are they taking so effing long to ship South Carolina?  I can understand why they didn't give us the earliest priority, but I would have thought that they would have wanted to give a leg up to the States that have a change in the number of U.S. Representatives.

Does South Carolina have ANY regularly scheduled elections in 2011 - major county, local or whatever?  If not, Census should wait to release it last behind states who have at least some elections this year, but before those who do not require DOJ preclearance.

Depends on what you mean by "regular".  Elections for county and state offices are all held on the usual biennial dates, but municipalities and school boards get to pick their own election dates, which may or may not be the Tuesday after the first Monday of November.  Slightly under half will use the traditional election day, but there are regularly scheduled local elections every month except January and August someplace in South Carolina this year.  At least they are largely non-partisan.

For example, most of the smaller municipalities in Charleston county will hold elections on the regular election day of November 8 this year, but Charleston itself will hold its municipal election on November 1, and North Charleston on November 2.  The municipal elections in the cities of Charleston and Spartanburg and the Spartanburg County school board elections appear to be the biggest elections this November.

The only two partisan local elections (i.e., with primaries) scheduled this year according to the State Election Commission are those in the cities of Aiken and Georgetown.

As I said earlier when I complained, I can understand why South Carolina wasn't one of the first, but given the realities of when the Legislature will leave Columbia, we do need to not be one of the last.

For those who want to get an idea of the insanity of South Carolina local elections, here's a link to the schedule the State Election Commission has.

http://www.scvotes.org/files/2011-03-02%20Election%20Calendar.pdf

Even before any special elections are added to the mix, it is a total of twenty-two different election days.
15211  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Official US 2010 Census Results on: March 02, 2011, 09:18:32 pm
Why are they taking so effing long to ship South Carolina?  I can understand why they didn't give us the earliest priority, but I would have thought that they would have wanted to give a leg up to the States that have a change in the number of U.S. Representatives.

It doesn't matter if you change the number of representatives because all the states have to change the boundaries anyway (even single district states have local elections).

Yes and no.  If you lose one or more seats, you have to decide which incumbents you want force together or encourage to retire.  If you gain one or more seats, you have to decide which districts you want to take the brunt of the dislocations,creating a new seat causes.  Those things take more time than simply shifting district boundaries around.

Not only that South Carolina is likely to have to worry about whether they will need to create one or two minority-majority districts.  The GOP will want only one, but there will inevitably be a lawsuit when it passes such a plan.  Ideally, to have time to deal with the repercussions of any lawsuits, they'd get the data in time to pass a plan this session (which ends at the beginning of June), instead of having to wait until next January.  In order for there to be no delays in South Carolina, everything need to be in place no later than March 2, 2012 (one year from today as a matter of fact).  That the first deadline on our political calendar, as the party county chairmen have to place advertisements detailing where party candidates for offices in that county may file, and which offices they may file for.  The clock is ticking here and we have just one year.
15212  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What are gas prices where you're at? on: March 02, 2011, 08:21:49 pm
So how long do you reckon it will be until the first idiots start proposing a gas tax holiday?

I don't think we'll see it this time around from any candidate that actually has a chance.  It was derided as a gimmick then, and more importantly, it was an unsuccessful gimmick.
15213  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: Non-UN member States with limited recognition survivor - round 8 on: March 02, 2011, 08:18:46 pm
Eliminate
Somaliland

Keep
Sahrawi Republic
15214  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: Instruments of the Orchestra Survivor on: March 02, 2011, 08:13:21 pm
Bass Trombone
15215  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: Solar system survivor - round 19 on: March 02, 2011, 08:04:06 pm
Jupiter
15216  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: Signatories of the Declaration of Independence Survivor on: March 02, 2011, 07:30:55 pm
Eliminate:
5 Caesar Rodney

Keep
2 Thomas Lynch, Jr.
1 Edward Rutledge

You're right, Ernest. But my problem is more in keep votes.

The keeps are simpler for me.  As you may have noticed, I have used them so far on South Carolinians for some reason.
15217  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Official US 2010 Census Results on: March 02, 2011, 07:17:48 pm
Why are they taking so effing long to ship South Carolina?  I can understand why they didn't give us the earliest priority, but I would have thought that they would have wanted to give a leg up to the States that have a change in the number of U.S. Representatives.
15218  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: probably the dumbest anti-Christian cartoon I've ever seen on: March 01, 2011, 11:04:38 pm
Yet again, you are presenting Christianity in the form of people having to pay off with worship a vengeful god who is seemingly incapable of the charity he demands humans exhibit.  A person such as the one who made the stupid cartoon that jmfcst posted a link to is not going to be interested in a god who holds humans to a standard that he himself does not meet.
15219  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread on: March 01, 2011, 10:52:12 pm
South Carolina, a toss-up State?  Seriously?  This is one of the few States in which we already knew the eventual outcome for 2012, even back in December 2008.  The only real question is whether Obama can duplicate his wonderful performance from 2008 in 2012 or not.

The problem with your assumptions pbrower, is that when it comes to South Carolina, we have a very small fraction of the electorate at present that is truly independent, especially with respect to the national parties. Unless there is a real stinker of a candidate, there is only about 15% of the vote in play, with the GOP having a 45-40 advantage.  Even with a real stinker, a lot of that core is likelier to flip to a third party than to the other major party if a choice is available.  That's why despite running against a total joke, DeMint only got 61% of the vote compared to 28% for Greene and 9% for Clements, the only other name on the ballot.
15220  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: probably the dumbest anti-Christian cartoon I've ever seen on: March 01, 2011, 10:21:07 pm
You're coming at this from the viewpoint of someone who already believes, BushOK, rather than the viewpoint of someone who does not such as the person who made that cartoon.

Indeed, for such a person quoting Romans 3:23 at them is probably reason enough to not be a Christian.  It posits a god who sets a standard of perfection that is impossible for any human to meet, and then threatens everlasting punishment in the afterlife except to those who are willing to pay a bribe in the form of worship to escape his rigged game.  That's not what Christianity really is about, at least in my view, but if it were, I'd reject it too.
15221  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: The Great Primary Calendar re-shuffle Megathread on: March 01, 2011, 09:10:21 pm
If Florida moves later, then I agree SC would go on Feb. 4th to stay within RNC rules.  If Florida stays on Jan. 31st, then SC might just as easily move to the 21st as 28th, just in case.  It gives SC more of a buffer on either side, and decreases the probability that some candidates will try to sidestep SC in favor of FL.

The sidestep argument holds more weight than the buffer argument.  They tried a buffer last time and it failed as Michigan still ended up going before South Carolina.  In any case, we'll know for certain if South Carolina goes on Jan 21 no later than  Oct 21.  (Current state law specifies that a party has to inform the SEC (State Election Commission) at least ninety days before of the date they intend to hold the primary, but exactly ninety days before, Oct 23, is on a Sunday, so they'd need to inform them on the Friday before that.)
15222  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Official US 2010 Census Results on: March 01, 2011, 08:53:22 pm
Delaware and (more interestingly) North Carolina shipped today.

So Kansas and Wyoming tomorrow or just sometime this week?
15223  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: TIME Magazine's People of the Years Survivor-Round Twenty-Six! on: March 01, 2011, 08:43:36 pm
Hugh Samuel Johnson
15224  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Irish Election Results Thread on: March 01, 2011, 08:26:32 pm
FG are sometimes still referred to as "The Law and Order Party" and considering this, their history and importantly their ┤natural┤ support base, I think we can rule out the SF-FG option.

Given my near total lack of knowledge of Irish politics, I only asked because the numbers would work as would a FG-FF option which I assumed would be impossible under the circumstances.
15225  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: probably the dumbest anti-Christian cartoon I've ever seen on: March 01, 2011, 08:16:34 pm
I agree, it is fairly dumb, largely because of the strawman it chooses to use.

And if the atheist argument is that John 14:6 doesn't mean that only Christians get into heaven, but rather means Jesus is the one deciding who gets into heaven, then why wouldn't the atheist want to believe in Jesus Christ?

Minor quibble before getting to answering your question, which is already covered in the cartoon.  The other character is only identified as a non-Christian, not an atheist.

That character also indicates he is not interested in the "angry and exclusionary god" that he believes most Christians believe in.  However, he would be interested in the heaven for which Jesus acts as the gatekeeper if Jesus is one who will judge based on the deeds of a person rather than the faith of a person.
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