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15201  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Regarding Mitt Romney ... on: August 13, 2012, 06:35:49 pm
He should have said: The games will be not very successful ... for Austria.

And it wouldn't have been a gaffe at all ... Tongue

I suspect you are one of the four who voted option 1, and for you, you'd be right.
15202  General Discussion / Alternative History / Re: WI: Fascist Israel on: August 13, 2012, 12:06:04 am
After all, the King of Italy was also one of the claimants to the defunct title of King of Jerusalem from the days of the Crusader states.

As was...just about every other monarchy in Europe.  "King of Jerusalem" is one of those titles that basically everyone had.

True, but the King of Italy was the only Allied monarch who had one of those titles, and Italy didn't end up with any of the Mandates.  They would have needed to do better in World War I than they did to earn any, but this is an alternate history board.
15203  Election Archive / 2012 Senatorial Election Polls / Re: MO: Survey USA: After GOP primary, McCaskill still struggling on: August 12, 2012, 11:50:12 pm
Ouch...and she wanted to have Akin as the R nominee.

^^^ This. How long before DSCC pulls the plug?

If Missouri is tightening up for the Presidential race, the Dems may want to funnel the GOTV money for the State via McCaskill so as to skirt contribution limits.
15204  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: "If we’re going to have free trade with China, why not Cuba?" - Paul Ryan on: August 12, 2012, 11:43:52 pm
Elderly Cuban voters (the only ones who still care about it) will just have to shut up and swallow it. There is no way in hell that old Cubans are going to vote for Obama.

They can stay home or cast a blank ballot tho.
15205  Election Archive / 2012 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: Missouri SUSA: Romney 45 Obama 44 on: August 12, 2012, 11:42:13 pm
Unless the week/weekend splits were identical, either Obama was leading in Missouri before the Ryan announcement and then Romney got a bounce, or the Ryan announcement tightened the poll up by dragging Romney down. Either way, not great news for Romney.

Doubtful that Obama was leading only to suffer from a Ryan bounce given the previous polling, even if it was by other firms.  Either Ryan had no effect or he hurt Romney.  Or this could be an infamous J.J. "bad sample".
15206  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of the Preceding Poster's Signature Thread VIII on: August 12, 2012, 11:33:46 pm
In keeping with the Republican focus on the past, Romney chose to announce his running mate standing in front of an obsolete piece of naval equipment.
15207  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Which "preceding poster" thread is the worst? on: August 12, 2012, 11:25:29 pm
Of the two preceding posters, Jones.
15208  Election Archive / 2012 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: Missouri SUSA: Romney 45 Obama 44 on: August 12, 2012, 11:09:53 pm
It's a shame they didn't include pre-Ryan and post-Ryan crosstabs.  I can see why they didn't, tho.  The effects of weekday v. weekend polling would have been conflated with any change due to Ryan and trying to explicate them would not be worth the effort, especially since it might give some insight into their polling methodology they wish t keep secret from their competitors.
15209  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: Let's talk about the obvious on: August 12, 2012, 11:00:59 pm
If Romney loses, then I think the frontrunner, should he choose to pursue it, is Huckabee.  But I think the odds of that happening are low.

Instead, we'll have a passel of GOP governors running: Christie, Haley, Jindal, Walker, plus some others who have at least one term under their belts.
15210  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: RNC speakers announced: Scott, McCain, Rice, Haley, Huckabee, Kasich, Martinez on: August 12, 2012, 09:30:45 pm
Who can blame her for putting as positive a spin on things as possible.  Besides, if Romney/Ryan does go down in flames as the Democrats hope, it's to her advantage to not be there.  She's not as dumb as she sounds.  She just needs to work on sounding as smart as she is.
15211  General Discussion / Alternative History / Re: WI: Fascist Israel on: August 12, 2012, 09:25:02 pm
One of the primary interests the wacky Brits had in Palestine was to enable them to build and control a Cairo to Baghdad railway.  The original Sykes–Picot Agreement had a territory roughly corresponding to the northern half of Mandatory Palestine as a zone to be jointly administered by the big three powers of Britain, France, and Russia as a possible future Jewish homeland.

The French were never happy with the idea of a tripartite condominium, and there was a proposal for the area to be made a Belgian mandate instead.  Italy also was a possibility.  After all, the King of Italy was also one of the claimants to the defunct title of King of Jerusalem from the days of the Crusader states.
15212  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: What Is Obama's Long-Term Plan to Rival the Romney/Ryan Plan? on: August 12, 2012, 08:49:02 pm
If Romney loses, at least we can remind everybody in four years that we had a plan for America's long-term while Democrats wallow in their support of the presidential version of Gray Davis.

Vague and unspecified eliminations of tax loopholes in exchange for cutting tax rates does not make a PLAN.  (That's as far as I'm will to go with the typographic idiocy that accompanies the other idiocy in this thread.)

Neither side has a plan, just outlines that let voters fill in the details with ideas attractive to themselves, but incompatible with those of other voters.

This thread needs to be drowned in prayer.

I don't care what it is drowned in so long as it is put out of my misery.  It has added a couple new names to my ignore list tho.
15213  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: What US city should host the Olympics next? on: August 12, 2012, 05:35:46 pm
To be honest I think I should've added Denver, for the Winter Games.

After what happened in 1976, Denver has zero chance of ever getting the Olympic Games.  Being awarded the games and then telling the IOC, "Nevermind, we're not gonna do it," with no war or natural disaster as an excuse has permanently tanked Denver's chances.
15214  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of the Preceding Poster's Signature Thread VIII on: August 12, 2012, 05:26:58 pm
The meme in that photo is precisely why I'm glad the Olympics are over and done for another four years.  See y'all in Rio.
15215  General Discussion / Constitution and Law / Re: Lyndon Law and Resign-to-Run Law on: August 12, 2012, 01:28:41 pm
Resign to Run hilarities exist elsewhere. I know they do in Arizona (people, of course, usually decide to resign well before the GE if it's some minor office they're holding currently, say State Rep.)
I think states can't ban people from running for two federal offices at once (nevermind that technically people don't run for Vice President in the GE at all) since the Constitution does not give them the right to create additional qualifications for office.

While they probably would not be able to prevent someone running for both the Senate and the House, the wide latitude the States have in choosing Electors allows them to prevent someone for running for both the White House and the Capitol.
15216  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Romney/Ryan is first major party ticket with no Protestant on it. on: August 12, 2012, 01:10:20 pm
This is the first time a resident of Wisconsin was nominated by a major party for either President or Vice President (the only notable major third-party candidacy I can think of is Pat Lucey in 1980)

How can you forget Fighting Bob LaFollette?  The Progressive Party nominee in 1924 and winner of Wisconsin's 13 EVs.
15217  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Doesn't Paul Ryan remind you of... Joe Biden? on: August 12, 2012, 12:53:35 pm
Not at all. You can tell Biden knows how to party. Ryan not so much.

...Biden doesn't drink alcohol.

Doesn't mean he doesn't know how to have a good time. Paul, on the other hand, appears to be perpetually in pain.

Fair enough. Generally when people say party, they mean drinking, or at least in my experience.

You need better experience.
15218  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of the Joseph A. Craig High School Class of '88 on: August 11, 2012, 11:44:31 pm
How would one even pronounce Huml?

It's a Czech name, and like a number of Indo-European languages, Czech uses l and r as a vowel.  So does English in words like cattle, but we stick a silent e at the end because we think all syllables need vowels.  Most likely hyphenated as Hu-ml.
15219  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Under the Ryan plan, Romney would pay no taxes. on: August 11, 2012, 09:24:13 pm
Capital gains tax is simply a dumb idea.

Fixed that for you.

Agreed.  Treating capital gains as income is dumb.  It involves excess paperwork, and generates an itching to complicate the tax code by indexing the gains for inflation in the name of fairness, etc.

If you're going to tax investments, far better to do that as some form of property and/or transfer tax.  Of course, the former is effectively impossible for the federal government to do as it is a direct tax, and the latter would impact asset liquidity and drive capital markets to largely move to other jurisdictions.
15220  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: What US city should host the Olympics next? on: August 11, 2012, 06:31:59 pm
Yeah, I opposed the Frankfurt bid on those grounds. Of course, I then was still offended when the NOK decided to go with Leipzig. Hamburg had the obvious best bid among the Germans, Frankfurt the only other non-total-joke one. The IOC's not even allowing Leipzig into the vote was not so much a disaster waiting to happen, it was inevitable. It was, in fact, known to the NOK beforehand that of the five German bids only Hamburg and Frankfurt met the IOC's minimum requirements.


Perhaps they purposely did that to avoid having to host the games.
15221  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: What US city should host the Olympics next? on: August 11, 2012, 06:30:44 pm
Global warming will ensure that Santiago will never host the winter games, especially not in 2030.

The scheduling difficulties alone ensure Santiago and all other Southern hemisphere venues will never host the winter games, even if we had global cooling.
15222  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Has the GOP ever nominated a non-Texan Southerner for either prez or VP? on: August 11, 2012, 06:01:00 pm
Andrew Johnson (Democrat, but he was on a Republican ticket)

1864 was the Union Party, not the Republican Party.  Also the epithet GOP dates to 1884.
15223  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: First election military service-free since '44. on: August 11, 2012, 05:49:30 pm
Obama and Ryan were too young, Biden was too old and unhealthy, and Romney's a draft-dodger.

Every election from 1948 and on had at least one candidate with service.

You're forgetting that Truman (the 1944 vice presidential candidate) was a WWI veteran.

Right. Well, Wilkie and Landon served too,  though, but did Gardner and Hoovers VP serve?

Neither Garner nor Curtis served, altho as a 8-year-old boy, Custis was peripherally involved in an incident between Cheyenne and Kaw warriors.
15224  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Have we ever had a major party ticket where both candidates... on: August 11, 2012, 05:17:30 pm
I was actually thinking that two R's could make a cool logo of sorts, but the Romney campaign has opted for something rather terrible instead.

Interlocking R's are the Rolls-Royce logo as some have already noticed and had fun with.  However it would be better than the toothpaste logo they have been using.

15225  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Ryan is the most conservative Congressmember to be nominated as VP since 1900. on: August 11, 2012, 05:05:13 pm
I'm sorry, the ideological classification of vice-presidents that you have posted is completely absurd. How exactly is John Nance Garner the most liberal vice-president on that list?

What part of the data do you take issue with? Those ideology scores aren't just pulled out of thin air. They're DW-NOMINATE scores which are used in political science as the gold standard for comparing the ideologies of legislators. Garner's score there is an objective measure based on his voting behavior relative to the rest of his congress (taking into account every roll call vote in a given congress).

DW-NOMINATE does a very poor job of comparing people from different eras.  Also, they may label their axis as being Liberal-Conservative, but it really is more of a Democratic-Republican axis than Liberal-Conservative.
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