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15201  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: March 10 Kansas + miscellaneous islands primary/caucus **results thread** on: March 10, 2012, 04:10:26 pm
I like the Clark County results:

Santorum 21
Gingrich 15
Romney 9
Paul 2
Perry 2

At least Paul isn't losing to Perry there.
15202  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: March 10 Kansas + miscellaneous islands primary/caucus **results thread** on: March 10, 2012, 03:38:43 pm
Perry just overtook Cain for 5th place!  Oops!
15203  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Black Clergy Group to Demand Romney Renounce Mormonism on: March 10, 2012, 02:14:03 pm
I'll agree with that pb  And the LDS Church has tried these past three decades to overcome its shameful past on this issue, for which I commend it..  However, while his faith is not why I do not like Romney, the fact is it will be a significant factor for some groups, and for Blacks in general, and Black evangelicals in particular, the history of the LDS church with regard to "the children of Cain" will be a major stumbling point.
15204  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: grade the preceding vp choice for Obama2012 on: March 10, 2012, 02:03:13 pm
Ineligible (too young)  (Paris Hilton)

Although no more ridiculous than some of the other names heretofore mentioned.


True, but I was only supposed to grade the preceding choice, not the others.
D (people would think Obama's nuts, but he would pick up some of Ron Paul's supporters)

Dennis Kucinich

D+  (would have been C- if he hadn't lost the primary)

Barbara Boxer
15205  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Black Clergy Group to Demand Romney Renounce Mormonism on: March 10, 2012, 01:54:14 pm
Catholicism never claimed to have direct divine revelation that blacks would never be admitted to the priesthood.  Yes Mormonism later had a later revelation to reverse that policy (tho it took until 1978!) but like Romney himself, the Mormon church's changes in policy over the years have appeared to be based more upon expediency than any other factor.  Unlike Romney, the Mormon church has claimed its policies are divinely inspired.
15206  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: grade the preceding vp choice for Obama2012 on: March 10, 2012, 01:24:07 pm
Ineligible (too young)

Olympia Snowe
15207  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Black Clergy Group to Demand Romney Renounce Mormonism on: March 10, 2012, 01:20:39 pm
Complete ignorance of the Mormon faith runs rampant amongst the closed minded, including amongst closed minded preachers.

Considering the racist origins of Mormonism, for blacks to be opposed to Mormonism is hardly closed-minded, but rather an appreciation of history.  For those who hope to end the solid black voting block for the Democrats, having Romney as the standard-bearer of the Republicans is not going to do anything to advance that.
15208  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: March 10 Kansas + miscellaneous islands primary/caucus **results thread** on: March 10, 2012, 11:11:18 am
OK Ernest, but there has been quite a spike up, like 80 cents maybe in the past 3-4 months or something, and my guess/instinct, without having really dug into it, is that most of the uptick is not going to be reversed. That kind of hit has to be depressive, from whatever was anticipated before.

Actually the spike has been 50 cents in the past 3 months.  The current spike has come after a period of declining gas prices and is still 25 cents below the level prices were at ten months ago.

The mid 2008 spike was over a dollar and came after a period of steady gas prices.

I just do not see gas prices by themselves as being able to dent Obama's poll numbers sufficiently to prevent his reelection.  It will take a campaign by an opponent who can generate enthusiasm, and that absolutely does not describe Mitt Romney.  His successes to date have come by burying his opponents with negative ads at a rate far beyond their ability to respond.  He won't be able to do that in the general election.
15209  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of the Preceding Poster's Signature Thread VIII on: March 10, 2012, 10:43:59 am
Speaking of British restaurants, it's weird but true that the best restaurant hamburger I ever had was while I was on a trip to Britain.  Probably because the tomato actually had some flavour.
15210  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Has anyone here ever been published by an academic journal? on: March 10, 2012, 10:39:43 am
I suspect quite a few posters here could be written up in Proceedings on Mental Aberrations.
15211  Election Archive / 2012 U.S. Presidential Primary Election Polls / Re: MS-Rasmussen: Romney ahead by 8 on: March 10, 2012, 12:22:46 am
I think this is pretty much over if Romney can win one of the Southern contests. This is supposed to be one of his weakest states.

If Romney wins one of Mississippi or Alabama, it'll force Gingrich out of the race.  Probably too late to matter, but it'll force him out and leave this a two person race between Gomez and Lurch with Uncle Fester along to electrify his fringe supporters.
15212  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: March 10 Kansas + miscellaneous islands primary/caucus **results thread** on: March 09, 2012, 11:54:52 pm
I tend to disagree with you on this one Ernest. All else aside, at a minimum, it will truncate economic growth, increase unemployment over what it otherwise would be, slow down retail sales, and so forth. Even if it come down a bit later (how much?), damage will be done, and is being done as we speak, in the interim. It cost me $94 to fill my gas tank today. How many folks can afford that without having to cut back in a rather substantial way somewhere else? I remember listening to a speech by the CEO of Walmart during the last gas spike, and he said gas price increases really hurt Walmart sales. Folks buy gas to get to work and go to the supermarket, and cart the kids around, and cut back on buying underwear and T shirts.

As I acknowledged, high gas prices will have an indirect effect via their effect on the economy.  Indeed, they've already done their part by keeping the recovery so sluggish in 2011,  But 2011-12 is not shaping up to be 2007-08.  Last election cycle, gas prices had been averaging lower than they had been averaging this election cycle.  So far the spike has not been as severe in either absolute terms (the price of gas)  or relative terms (the change in the price of gas.

We're going to have to hit average gas prices of around $5/gallon between now and the election for the current price hikes to have a comparable political and economic impact as what 2008 saw.  Absent a war with Iran or some other externality that severely crimps world oil supplies, I just don't see $5/gallon being reached in that time frame.  We're number to high gas prices than we were four years ago because they've been high for so long.
15213  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Forum Cartoon Coalmine on: March 09, 2012, 10:22:52 pm
I feel like this will end up being an unfunny thread of hackery.

So it'll be like 99 44/100% of Forum Threads then?
15214  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: The Mittens Gaffe Machine gives us another hit! on: March 09, 2012, 09:45:52 pm
Maybe your dig qualifies for that Joe inspired Sulfur Mine thread. Smiley

Maybe, tho the dig was aimed more at Mittens than you. However, as often as Al's posts show up there, it probably should have been named the Sulphur Mine instead.
15215  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: March 10 Kansas + miscellaneous islands primary/caucus **results thread** on: March 09, 2012, 09:37:27 pm
Obama has his issues. The gas price thing strikes me as a particularly dangerous specter for him, feeding into the Pub fossil fuels narrative.

ARRRRGH!  Of all the stupid things Republicans are deluding themselves into believing about the coming election, the "If gas prices go up, we must win." is one of the worst.

First off, the available evidence indicates that unless an actual war with Iran breaks out, gas prices have hit a peak and are starting to come down again.  If there is an actual war, that war and how it starts will be far more influential on the election than what happens with gas prices.

Second, not too many people are blaming Obama for the gas price hikes now (18% overall , 5% of Dems, 20% of Inds, 33% of Reps, according to Pew).  This suggests that what is happening is that people who don't like Obama are looking for reasons to ding him and that since gas prices are up, that'll be one of the things to ding him, and that we aren't seeing people enraged by high gas prices then lashing out at Obama even when they hadn't done so before.

Third, remember 2008?  We had rising gas prices then and while McCain and Clinton both endorsed a gimmicky gas tax holiday, Obama dismissed it for the gimmick it was and benefited politically from it.  There are a few voters who will be impressed by gimmicks, such as Newt's promise to being gas down to $2.50/gal.  However, it appears the majority of voters are skeptical of magic wand claims.  Frankly I think Keystone XL so far has been a millstone for the GOP.  The Republican effort to push Obama to make a decision before he wanted to make a decision made them look like a party of gimmicks.

That isn't to say that gas prices won't have an indirect effect on the election.  If they remain high and cause the economy to stall, that stalled economy will help the Republicans come November.  But the direct effect will be minimal unless the Republicans keep pushing plans perceived as gimmicks, in which case it will be negative.
15216  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of the Preceding Poster's Signature Thread VIII on: March 09, 2012, 09:06:06 pm
Southerners just don't know how to eat breakfast brunch.

Fixed.  As for your signature, I give it 5 stars. ★★★★★
15217  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: The Mittens Gaffe Machine gives us another hit! on: March 09, 2012, 08:14:27 pm
The business of America is business. No, that bon mot is not original with me. Thanks. Smiley

Your use of French when there are perfectly acceptable English alternatives shows that you are a natural Romney voter. Wink
15218  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of the Preceding Poster's Signature Thread VIII on: March 09, 2012, 07:32:50 pm
That picture isn't very electrifying.
15219  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: March 10 Kansas + miscellaneous islands primary/caucus **results thread** on: March 09, 2012, 07:30:42 pm
Why do we have predictions for Puerto Rico but not Guam, the Virgin Islands, and Northern Mariana Islands?

Probably because Dave only has Puerto Rico in his automatic maps, which makes sense in one respect, since Puerto Rico is the only one of then that has a shot at participating in the November elections anytime soon.
15220  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: towards a spiritualist Mormonism/Mormon non-theism on: March 09, 2012, 06:48:03 pm
Is is telling that your theology requires that fixed and unchanging doctrine begins only once the Church Age arrived.

the establishment of the New Covenant marked the Church Age arrival, so the rules of the New Covenant were set into place at its inception and are unchangeable as long as the New Covenant is in effect.

So the rules are irrevocable until they are revoked?  Not that I believe in Mormonism in the least, but by what standard do you judge that the "translation" of the "golden plates" was not a valid marker for the end of the Church Age and the start of ..., ..., of the Saint Age I'll call it for the lack of any better term.
15221  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: towards a spiritualist Mormonism/Mormon non-theism on: March 09, 2012, 06:24:49 pm
Actually, the continuing revelation thing is one of the more attractive tenets of Mormonism.  The ability to override your previous revelation as new information (from the Almighty or otherwise) comes in allows Mormonism a great deal more flexibility than other faiths.

That flexibility may be convenient, but I do not find it attractive.

not to mention that continued revelation (changing of stuff) within the church age is contrary to scripture:

Jude 1:3  "Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt I had to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints."

Is is telling that your theology requires that fixed and unchanging doctrine begins only once the Church Age arrived.
15222  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Romney: "I am an unofficial Southerner" on: March 09, 2012, 06:20:03 pm
Good gawd. I'm more a southerner than Mittbot 2.0

But what about Mittbot 2.1 with the cheesy grits update yall?
15223  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: The Mittens Gaffe Machine gives us another hit! on: March 09, 2012, 05:59:41 pm
A mild gaffe at worst.  As others have pointed out, this won't cause him damage in the generally business friendly GOP primaries.  It might be able to spun into something for the general election, but it isn't a low-hanging fruit like some of his gaffes are.
15224  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Mitt Romney tries to break Southern losing streak on: March 09, 2012, 05:55:08 pm
Grant may have fought a war of attrition, but then General Grant also didn't get blown out in Minnesota and North Dakota.



Perhaps you are not familiar with the Battle of Cold Harbor.  It made zero difference to the inevitable outcome. Grant just put some ice on it, and kept going, and going, and going.
The Cold Harbor analogy would have been appropriate for Ohio had Santorum won there, but Romney didn't put a lot of effort into Minnesota or North Dakota.

A more appropriate Civil War analogy for Minnesota and Missouri is Chancellorsville.  Mittens wasn't expecting a fight and got routed as a result.
15225  General Politics / Economics / Re: ECRI again sticking to its guns - double's down again on its recession call on: March 09, 2012, 03:56:23 pm
I do NOT believe you favor "large cuts in major government programs" in the aggregate.  Yes, I know you hate national defense and agriculture, but have opposed cuts in the aggregate, and especially in left-wing programs.

Specifics please?

I've called for increases in the age of eligibility for both Social Security and Medicare to age 70, as well as changing the inflation index that is used to calculate the COLA to one that historically has given a lower figure.

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I realize that this may be news to you, but, Sir Thomas More was a real person, and the play and movie is factually based, unlike you Imrail.  Now I realize YOU believe in fiction rather than facts.

If you think the quotes in that play are direct quotes and not words put into the character's mouths by a scriptwriter ...

As for Imrahil? (I presume that is who you meant by Imrail.)  You seem to have confused me with someone who gets upset by being called by another name.

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We are in total disagreement in your desire to remove "antidemocratic" laws.  The Constitution of the United States is replete with what you would call "antidemocratic" laws, like the requirement of a supermajority of the States to amend the Constitution.

For someone who claims to revere the Constitution, you seem to have a low regard for the Constitutional requirement that a simple majority is sufficient to conduct ordinary business in the Senate.
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