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15201  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Candidate Declaration Thread on: June 12, 2010, 07:12:03 pm
I will accept any and all write-in votes for the post of Vice President in the upcoming election.  However, my campaign for that office will follow the example of Alvin M. Greene.
15202  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Do you hate the Vuvuzelas ? on: June 12, 2010, 05:13:58 pm
Only the third most annoying sports noise.

More annoying is the idiot who shouts out "In the hole!" on seemingly every single PGA golf shot.

Most annoying are the tennis players who can't hit the ball without grunting like they are constipated and sitting on a toilet.
15203  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: US defense budget could be trimmed by 1 trillion $ over the next 10 years on: June 12, 2010, 10:49:43 am
Sounds good in general, but we need the F-35B as a replacement for the Harriers.  It's been 13 years since the last all-new Harrier left the factory.  While conceivably purchases of the A and C variants could be replaced by F-16E/F's for the F-35A and F-18E/F's for the F-35C, with the F-35B remaining in production, I'm dubious that there would be significant cost savings, especially in the case of dropping the F-35C.
15204  General Discussion / History / Re: US History Trivia on: June 11, 2010, 06:07:08 pm
What was Robert Moses' vision for New York City, and how did he attempt to realize it?

His vision was of a city friendly to the automobile, and he tried to achieve it by bulldozing existing neighborhoods to create freeways and neglecting public transportation.
15205  General Discussion / History / Re: How did the Presidents vote in Presidential Elections? on: June 11, 2010, 06:02:08 pm
This thread has turned from "How did they vote" into "how do you think they voted".  Without facts to back up those opinions, such a discussion belongs on either U.S. General Discussion or possibly Political Debate.

Thread locked for having veered away away from history to pure opinion.
15206  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / Re: Who would you vote for: THE ULTIMATE SHOWDOWN on: June 11, 2010, 03:25:55 pm
Mr. Rodgers wins THE ULTIMATE SHOWDOWN.  I thought everyone knew that by now.
15207  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: Southeast Legislature on: June 11, 2010, 03:22:07 pm
     When was the existing law passed?

The existing Georgia law was originally passed in 1996, focusing only on those who committed sexual offenses against children, and then substantially modified in 2006 to include those who committed sexual offenses against adults as well.  As I recall, we use the Georgia Code 2006 as our baseline, tho I could only find the Georgia Code 2009 online.
15208  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Who do you support in the South Carolina Senate race? on: June 11, 2010, 03:06:26 pm
At this point, Tom Clements, the Green Party nominee.
15209  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: Southeast Legislature on: June 11, 2010, 01:28:00 pm
Frankly, I prefer the existing law, if for no other reason than rather than funding the database with $1 surcharge on my driver's license, it is funded by a $250 annual registration fee paid by each offender.
15210  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: Southeast Legislature on: June 11, 2010, 11:59:58 am
We already have a sexual offender database law.  See Title 42 Chapter 1 Article 2 of the Georgia Code (Sections 42-1-12 thru 42-1-15).  I don't see anything this law does with respect to a database that the current law doesn't address in far more detail except add a one dollar surcharge to driver's licenses to fund it.

No we don't. There is one in real life, but that is the inspiration for this law

But don't we use the Georgia Code as our default law in the absence of any Southeast specific law?
15211  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: Southeast Legislature on: June 10, 2010, 10:44:57 pm
We already have a sexual offender database law.  See Title 42 Chapter 1 Article 2 of the Georgia Code (Sections 42-1-12 thru 42-1-15).  I don't see anything this law does with respect to a database that the current law doesn't address in far more detail except add a one dollar surcharge to driver's licenses to fund it.
15212  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: Southeast Legislature on: June 10, 2010, 08:57:50 pm
I've taken a look at Title 16 Chapter 6 of the Georgia Code, and frankly, before we pass a sexual offenses database law, we need to rewrite this chapter.  It's horribly out of date and contains some provisions that don't pass constitutional muster.
15213  General Discussion / History / Re: US History Trivia on: June 10, 2010, 06:31:13 pm
Lol I see someones watched Gettysburg a few times, I love that movie. Longstreet: No 15,000 men ever made can take that ridge, its a distance of more than a mile when the troops come out they will be under fire from all over the field, and those are Hancocks men, and they have the stonewall like we did at Fredricksburg. Lee: We do our duty, we do what we must do.

No, I actually read in a book long before watching the movie.

Question:  Which presidents had been Secretary of War?

Monroe, Taft (William Howard, not Alphonso)

Which nine cities can claim to have served as the Capital City of the United States?



1. Philadelphia
2. Trenton, NJ?
3. York, PA?
4. NYC, NY
5. Washington, DC
6. ...  no idea

Lancaster, PA, Trenton, Princeton, NJ and Annapolis, MD?

Still one to go since you repeated Trenton.

Baltimore?

Yup.  By the way, we've had eleven capitols, since three different buildings in Philadelphia have served as the meeting place of Congress.
15214  General Discussion / History / Re: US History Trivia on: June 10, 2010, 05:59:29 pm
Question:  Which presidents had been Secretary of War?

Monroe, Taft (William Howard, not Alphonso)

Which nine cities can claim to have served as the Capital City of the United States?



1. Philadelphia
2. Trenton, NJ?
3. York, PA?
4. NYC, NY
5. Washington, DC
6. ...  no idea

Lancaster, PA, Trenton, Princeton, NJ and Annapolis, MD?

Still one to go since you repeated Trenton.
15215  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: U.S. State Mottos on: June 10, 2010, 04:37:18 pm
Michigan
15216  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: South Carolina Dems seek to replace their unknown Senate nominee on: June 09, 2010, 09:13:21 pm
Why bother? It's not a competitive seat.

Who knows?  Maybe they hope someone will dig up a DeMint/Haley tryst?
15217  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: DID SARAH PALIN GET BREAST IMPLANTS???! on: June 09, 2010, 09:07:53 pm
DID RONALD REAGAN DYE HIS HAIR???!
DOES NANCY PELOSI USE BOTOX??!!
DOES A POLITICIAN DOING SOMETHING TO IMPROVE HIS OR HER APPEARANCE MERIT USING ALL CAPS?!!!
15218  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Barrett's new ad, on: June 09, 2010, 09:02:39 pm

And, of course, Rudy Giuliani endorsing McMaster a few days before the primary = what?


I agree.  The robocall I got of Giuliani asking me to support a "strong conservative" by voting for McMaster made me wonder a lot.  I could see bringing in Giuliani for the general election, but not in a SC primary.
15219  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Barrett's new ad, on: June 09, 2010, 08:01:44 pm

It's a retooling of the ad Barrett ran with the same "drill sergeant" in the last few days before the primary.  Not as good as the first ad, but since that first ad was certainly one factor in why Barrett got second place instead of McMaster, it is understandable why he'd go back to a similar ad for the runoff.

Since Barrett can't afford to ignore the rumors entirely, this is about as tasteful an ad as can be expected about it under the circumstances.  Besides, his only realistic hope of winning the runoff is that something new comes out about Haley in the next two weeks.
15220  General Discussion / History / Re: The Civil War on: June 09, 2010, 06:50:35 pm
Prove its fake. And Lincoln wasnt an abolitionist.

     If by the mere force of numbers a majority should deprive a minority of any clearly written constitutional right, it might, in a moral point of view, justify revolution. Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865), First Inaugural Address, 4 March 1861


Try a  more complete quote.

If by the mere force of numbers, a majority should deprive a minority of any clearly written constitutional right, it might, in a moral point of view, justify revolution certainly would, if such right were a vital one. But such is not our case. All the vital rights of minorities, and of individuals, are so plainly assured to them, by affirmations and negations, guaranties and prohibitions, in the Constitution, that controversies never arise concerning them.

And from later on in that same address:

One section of our country believes slavery is right, and ought to be extended, while the other believes it is wrong, and ought not to be extended. This is the only substantial dispute.
15221  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Tea Partiers support cutting military budget? on: June 09, 2010, 05:51:18 pm
Good to hear. However, I'd bet that if you polled tea baggers asking who they blamed for the bloated military budget that the majority of them would blame Obama/Democrats and not Reagan/Bush I&II.

Why stop at Reagan? The country has never really demilitarized since the dark days of FDR.

Not so.Truman did attempt to demilitarize after World War II.

For instance, as of 24 June 1948 (start of the Berlin Blockade) the U.S. Navy had just six carriers in commission, the three Midway-class carriers, and three of the Essex-class carriers (Boxer, Leyte, and Kearsarge).  Only one battleship was in commission (Missouri).  Seven capital ships in all, making for a smaller Navy than had been seen since before World War I.

Granted, the Navy suffered the most of the services under the draw down that occurred between World War II and the Korean War, but all of the military was heavily pruned.
15222  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Glorious Korean People's Border Guards Kill 3 Chinese Traders In Shootout on: June 09, 2010, 03:08:40 pm
His father is the Great Leader, not another Dear Leader.  His third son and likely successor is The Brilliant Comrade.
15223  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: 6/8 Primaries - AR, CA, IA, ME, MT, NV, NJ, ND, SC, SD, VA (results links in OP) on: June 09, 2010, 10:50:55 am
Props. 16 and 17 are looking like they won't be able to be called for several hours.

Refresh my memory on what those are?

16 is about making it tough for municipalities to go into the electrical/gas utility business to compete with the legal PG&E monopoly, and 17 is about overriding insurance regulations, that one cannot offer a discount to someone who has insurance with another insurance company, but wants to switch to a new one, because one had insurance (it is legal to offer a discount, if you have stayed with the same company). Mercury insurance put this one on the ballot, and funded it, because for some reason, they are crazy enough to want to insure more California drivers, and increase their market share. Others claim, that it will cause everyone who does not switch to have higher insurance premiums. Where does the truth lie? I have zero idea, and I am not sure anyone else does either. At least nobody bothered to write anything coherent and persuasive as to what the reality is, that I saw. I guess it is just too complicated and boring for the press to spend real time on this one.

Let's put it this way, if Mercury Insurance poured millions into it, is it more likely to benefit them or consumers?

If 17 had passed, it would have made it more likely for consumers to shift between insurers as the continuity of coverage discount would no longer only be had if they stayed with their current insurer.  So it would have been a benefit to insurance companies that were trying to aggressively increase market share, such as Mercury.  As for whether consumers would benefit in the long run, probably not and they might have suffered slightly if Prop 17 increased promotional costs incurred by the insurers that would have been passed onto the consumers.
15224  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: 6/8 Primaries - AR, CA, IA, ME, MT, NV, NJ, ND, SC, SD, VA (results links in OP) on: June 09, 2010, 10:30:00 am
SC House incumbents who lost or face a runoff.

SC House 41 (D): With 30 of 33 precincts reporting, Brown (i) is leading Marcharia 48-40 in a 3-way primary

This appears to be the only Dem runoff in the entire state. How bad is that turnout going to be?

Probably not too bad.  Runoff turnout is usually about the same and none of the people who voted in the Democratic primary will be able to vote in the Republican runoff.  (People who didn't vote today are eligible to vote in either runoff.

There is another Democratic runoff, but it's in a race that the AP didn't bother to cover.  5th Circuit Solicitor (Richland and Kershaw Counties) will be having a runoff between Dan Johnson (42.84%) and John Meadors (31.60%)
15225  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: 6/8 Primaries - AR, CA, IA, ME, MT, NV, NJ, ND, SC, SD, VA (results links in OP) on: June 09, 2010, 10:18:38 am
And the winner of the most pointless runoff election on June 22 is:


The Republican South Carolina 6th District Congressional Runoff!

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