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15201  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Who in your opinion was the person of the decade? on: February 05, 2011, 01:32:49 pm
other - Steve Jobs

While Bush made things worse than they need have been, one can't really say everything would have been sweetness and light if someone else had been in the White House 2001-2009.  Given our tendency to declare victory and then ignore things, it is extremely unlikely the situation in Afghanistan would be much different if Gore, McCain, or Bradley had won in 2000.  Fewer people would have died in Iraq, but the political situation n the Middle East would not be significantly different.  As tragic as the events of 9/11 and Bush's response to it has been, it has not had a major impact on the lives of most people.

By contrast, Steve Jobs with iTunes managed to set the template for how the media business will work in the era of digital downloads.  Not only that, but it is hard to imagine any other person having a similar impact had he not been the one to do what he did.
15202  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: Confederate cabinet survivor - round 3 on: February 04, 2011, 09:13:16 pm
John C. Breckinridge
15203  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Who would play an important role in a Democratic Egypt? on: February 04, 2011, 01:47:59 pm
The NDP would, much as the PRI still does in Mexico and various Communist parties do in Eastern Europe.  Of course that does leave a wide variety of possible levels of importance.
15204  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: SSI on: February 04, 2011, 09:58:44 am
Those rushing to poo-poo the original poster's idea might wish to note a method of paying for the benefit was offered.  However, I disagree with it.  Housing costs vary widely in this country based on where one lives.  Replacing Section 8 with a lump sum increase in SSI would benefit some, but hurt others.  Also not all Section 8 recipients are on SSI, so there wouldn't be that significant a cut in bureaucratic overhead.
15205  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: EV calculator question on: February 03, 2011, 10:50:28 pm
I take back what I said.  If you enter the year manually in the map URL, you can get maps for 1824 to 1836.  For example here is 1836:

However, as you can see, 1836 requires special handling because of the multiple Whig candidates that were on the ballot in different States.  1832 and earlier have a different problem.  1836 was the first year that the election was winner take all in each State.  For 1832, we'd need 10 checkboxes for Maryland as each elector was selected in a single member district.  In 1828, both Maryland and Tennessee used single member districts, Maine used its current method, and New York used a variation where the electors elected from each congressional district then chose the 2 statewide electors.  (No idea what would happen in the event of a tie in New York as could have happened in 1828.)
15206  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: What was your view *in March 2003* of going to war with Iraq? on: February 03, 2011, 10:05:23 pm
In March 2003, I was opposed, mainly on tactical grounds.  It was evident to anyone who had a lick of sense that crushing the Iraqi Army would be trivial and could be done anytime we chose.  The tricky part was always going to be the occupation.  When on 1 March Turkey refused to allow troops to invade from the north, and yet the timetable for invasion was left unchanged, it was clear to me that those in charge were not taking the consequences of invasion seriously.

Alas, events proved me right.  Had it been done well, the occupation of Iraq would have been worthwhile, but it was not done well.  Had there been some reason other than fear that support for the invasion would collapse that the invasion could not be delayed a few more months to get things ready for the occupation, it would worth going in anyway, but the Bush administration never provided such a reason, tho they did try to make people think that they had.
15207  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: Confederate cabinet survivor - round 2 on: February 02, 2011, 09:56:26 pm
15208  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: If Fundies take over in Egypt and attempt to shut down the Suez Canal... on: February 02, 2011, 09:45:17 pm
Kind of "worst case" type of thing.

We'll cross that bridge if we come to it.

I'd suggest before we come to it, or we won't have the gas to cross it.

About 2% of the world's crude oil supply flows through Egypt on its way somewhere else (about half via the canal and half via the SuMed pipeline that was built because of the closure of the canal after the Six Day War.  As far as crude oil is concerned, it would be a mild inconvenience until trade routes adjust as Middle Eastern oil would end up redirected to East Asia, the portion of Alaskan oil that usually goes to East Asia would head here, and Europe would get oil that normally comes to the US from South America and Africa.

Closing the canal would actually hurt the Middle East and South Asia more than us infidel Americans and Europeans because it would interrupt the flow of refined oil products that goes through the canal when the tankers head home.
15209  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: What will our post-human future be like? on: February 02, 2011, 09:21:42 pm
Well, I think that a huge asteroid sometime in the future wipes out the cancer that is humanity and then the earth recovers ...

I´ve once thought about that possibility: What if an asteroid wipes out humanity and the only people remaining are the 6 crewmembers in the International Space Station.

Would it be possible to re-populate the planet with these 6 individuals ?

I guess not, because

A) they cannot go down to Earth anymore

B) there are 5 men and 1 woman who is 50 years old on the ISS

C) the earth would probably look very uninhabitable and every person that manages to land would probably die within a few hours

D) then are the moral problems: 5 men, 1 woman -> children -> ?

The debris that would be thrown up by any asteroid strike sudden enough to prevent other contingencies from being undertaken and sufficient to extinguish all human life would destroy the ISS which is in a fairly low orbit.

In such an apocalypse, likely the last human survivors would be those who are aboard submerged submarines.
15210  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Wife Beating in the Qur'an on: February 02, 2011, 08:58:10 pm
Does it mention something about making a sandwich?
Would fall under adultery, I'm sure. And thus be totally forbidden.
Depends on who is the meat and who is the bread since Islam does explicitly endorse polygyny, but not all forms of it.  For example, those who fantasize about twins will need to find some other religion.
15211  General Discussion / History / MOVED: Question on: February 02, 2011, 08:48:56 pm
This topic has been moved to The Atlas as the original query was specific to races for which data could be found on the Atlas as opposed to elections in general.

15212  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: New Register Thread on: February 01, 2011, 09:58:25 pm
Bourbon Democratic Party
South Carolina

A change of State and Party to something more like myself.

Your move will be valid 2-July-2011

6.   Persons may only change their State of registration from one region to another region once every 180 days. Changes in State of registration within a single region may occur once a month.
Article V of the Third Constitution - Section 2: Voter Registration and Voting Rules

This is my first change of State since rejoining Atlasia.  Because of inactivity, I was not on the voter list at all when I registered in Illinois on 2 January 2011. Hence there was no prior change of my State of registration. In any case 180 days from that date is 1 July 2011, not 2 July 2011.

You can change your Region only every 180 days.

2 January was your change from no Region to Mideast
7 January you want to change your Registration from Mideast to South

With the 1 July (and yot the 2 July) you are right. Sorry, but I live in a different Time zone. I've corrected it.

Sorry you must wait Sad. When you want, it is possible to cancel this move to the South. You can then decide in 1 July 2011 whether you want to change the region.

The relevant clause of the Constitution is: Persons may only change their State of registration from one region to another region once every 180 days. Changes in State of registration within a single region may occur once a month.

Which states are part of the Region of No you claim I moved from when I registered in Illinois?  No change of registration from one region to another region happened when I registered on 2 January 2011.
15213  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: And then Egypt? on: February 01, 2011, 08:58:17 pm
Israel deserves to be invaded. They're supplying Mubarak with weapons: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/163052.html
Better source needed than Iranian TV.

IIRC: Libertas was infracted for using Iranian media sources.

Why?  Are the Iranians aggressive tracking down copyright violations? Wink
15214  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Resurrection of the Assault Weapons Ban on: February 01, 2011, 03:55:22 pm
I would vote in favor of the Assault Weapons Ban. Assault Weapons are clearly crafted for an offensive attack whereas the only purpose to bear arms under the 2nd amendment is for the self-defense of an individual, something a simple handgun can adequately accomplish.


I take it that you never heard the aphorism "The best defense is a good offense."

In any case, the AWB as it was constituted was a very silly piece of gun control legislation.  About the only feature of it that made any sort of rational sense were the limits on magazine size.
15215  General Politics / Economics / Re: Apple vs Cisco in the Dow Jones... 1000 points. on: February 01, 2011, 03:39:03 pm
Of course, had Apple been in the Dow, those people who use the Dow as a factor in their decisions to buy and sell would have reacted differently.  Likely the market as a whole would be slightly lower, with the Dow around 12,500 or so.  While it doesn't really make sense for people to use the DJIA as a barometer of the market, they do, so the choice of stocks to include does matter.
15216  General Politics / Economics / Re: Economic Perspective on the Minimum Wage on: February 01, 2011, 03:33:11 pm
Thus you have your marginal employee theory. Then again, RI is simply wondering if increase money in the pocket of workers will cause increase spending thus increased revenue for the various firms and whether these firms will be able to afford to keep and need additional help. The interesting thing is that in some businesses, even though you need new help, it doesn't mean you can afford it. As a result, a lot of businesses shut down because its simply too expensive to operate their business. For example, I worked at a taco place in college. They paid their workers $8 an hour. They always had more business than they could handle simply because their revenue was too low to hire anyone else and no one was willing to work for what they could afford.

If they truly had more business than they could handle, then they could have raised the prices of their tacos.  That would have given them some combination of more revenue to hire more people at better wages and a lower demand for their product that they could handle with the available workforce.  More likely, it made sense for them to not staff at a level that avoided lines during the lunch rush, or raise prices to the point they wouldn't have a lunch rush.
15217  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Egypt protests show George W. Bush was right about freedom in the Arab world on: February 01, 2011, 02:47:11 pm
The UK, Scandinavia, Canada, Australia, the Netherlands, all have one thing in common, they didn't obtain democracy by war or revolution. The only exception to that I can think of is the US, but you guys are the exception that confirm the rule.

Not really.  We had democracy over here (albeit not a total democracy by modern standards) prior to the Revolution.  We had also had de facto autonomy in America since the time of the Glorious Revolution in 1688-9.  Parliament's efforts to reign in that autonomy after the Seven Years War were a primary cause of the revolution.
15218  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: If Fundies take over in Egypt and attempt to shut down the Suez Canal... on: February 01, 2011, 02:35:28 pm
Doubtful that Egypt would shut down the Canal under any circumstances.

Actually, they shut it between 1967 and 1975 due to the Six Day War.

That was because of a combination of damage it had taken during the war, and its being used as a defensive barrier at the time.  In any case, it was more like Israel shut it down and Egypt didn't try too hard to reopen it until it was safe to do so. I can't see an Israeli-reoccupation of the Sinai happening without another war.
15219  Questions and Answers / Electoral Reform / Re: Independents voting in primaries. on: February 01, 2011, 02:15:20 pm
Theoretically speaking, I'd be against allowing non-members of a party a vote in choosing that party's leadership or candidate for an election.

But the United States doesn't have real political parties like other countries do.....so one might view the primary system as something similar to the first "round" of an election.

Still, my answer is no. You can "register" with the party if you want to vote in its primaries.

In South Carolina you "register" by voting in the primary.  If the parties want truly closed primaries, then they, not the government, should be the one to pay for the expense of running the primary.
15220  General Discussion / History / Re: Which "streak" of presidents was worse? on: February 01, 2011, 02:09:31 pm
If it hadn't been for the idiocy of antagonizing both France and Britain with the Embargo at the same time as he refused to fund any sort of a real Navy, Washington City might never have been burned.  Plus there's the fact in trying to enforce the Embargo he did more damage to the country than he did to France or Britain because of the shutting down of the internal coastal trade. The Embargo Acts were at least as hurtful to liberty as the Alien and Sedition Acts had been.  While Adams can be faulted for going along the them, he wasn't the driving force behind them as Jefferson was with the Embargo.

Besides, while we are talking about cities being sacked, Virgina's capital of Richmond was burned in 1781 by Benedict Arnold while Jefferson was governor of Virginia.
15221  General Discussion / History / Re: Third Parties and Political Experience on: February 01, 2011, 01:43:10 pm
Progressive: In 1912, 1924, and 1948 they had nominees with political experience.
I didn't know they nominated anyone in any other elections. I don't think they're around anymore.

All three were essentially different parties with the same name.  In the era that they were around, they were created in an attempt to get around the insider-dominated nominating conventions of the two major parties by those who felt they hadn't had a fair chance at the nomination.  With the nominees determined for better or worse by the primary process these days, a party like those is unlikely to crop up.  Imagine if you would, that in 1980 Carter had been able to control the Democratic Convention like Taft had done the Republican Convention in 1912.  I could easily see Teddy Kennedy under those circumstances walking out and running as a third party candidate.  (Or conversely, Reagan doing the same in 1976 if Ford had been able to block Reagan supporters from the convention.)
15222  General Discussion / History / Re: Which "streak" of presidents was worse? on: February 01, 2011, 01:33:45 pm
Nixon-Ford-Carter, by far.  Harding-Coolidge-Hoover is the best ever, although Jefferson-Madison-Monroe and Cleveland-Harrison-Cleveland are also quite good.

Throw in Washington and Adams and you'll get the best streak of presidents ever. (You probably don't like Adams for the Ailen and Sedation Acts, and while I'm not a big fan of them, we do need to give all of the first five credit)

Were the Sedation Acts an example of boring laws or our first drug laws? Tongue

More seriously tho, Jefferson was the worst president we had during the First Party System era.  He was also a failure as Governor of Virginia.  While Jefferson had some admirable qualities, he showed repeatedly that he was not really executive material.
15223  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: EV calculator question on: January 30, 2011, 04:52:14 pm
I believe the current cutoff of 1840 is because Dave would need to adjust the boundary of Missouri in his files to produce accurate maps for 1820-1836. The northwest corner of Missouri was added as a result of the Platte Purchase in 1837.
15224  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: In Obama's mind, what does "clinging to religion' mean, exactly? on: January 30, 2011, 04:42:35 pm
No, I'm saying that clinging to one's beliefs without ever examining them is wrong.
15225  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Free Tunisia on: January 30, 2011, 04:02:58 pm
Ben Ali is still of use to the elites who control the world, so nothing will change here.

In all likelihood, two things won't happen btw.

1) Tunisia won't turn into a Islamic theocracy now.

2) Similar revolutions won't happen in other Arab states for the foreseeable future.

I see that the art of prediction is alive and well here. Tongue

To be fair, I don't think many people thought differently at the times of those posts.
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