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15201  General Politics / Economics / Re: In India, Obama seals $10 billion, 50,000 U.S. job-creating deal for Boeing on: November 07, 2010, 11:37:30 pm
The South Carolina plant current has only 787 work, but these are 737's so assembly work would be done in Renton.  However, I would expect that Boeing will have at least some of the production of the Y1 (the codename for the expected successor to the 737) in South Carolina, as it is supposed to have a good deal of commonality with the 787, and Boeing wants leverage with its unions.
15202  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Will House Republicans throw the Birthers a bone? on: November 07, 2010, 11:19:37 pm
The only thing even marginally resembling a bone that might get thrown the Birthers' way would be some sort of legislation requiring that the President-elect and Vice President-elect submit documentation to Congress that they meet the qualifications for the office.  Congress' authority to verify that the President-elect and Vice President-elect qualify for office is certainly implied in the original Constitution, and spelled out in the 20th Amendment.  Since Obama would have no problem meeting such a requirement, it would be a meaningless bone.

Certainly no hearings into whether Obama really is qualified to be President.

Don't candidates filing for election to federal office already have to supply documentation demonstrating qualification?

The States generally do, but not always in the case of the office of President, since technically they have only an indirect role in that by choosing the Electors.  Back in 2004, one of the Socialist parties had as their Vice Presidential nominee someone who didn't meet the age 35 requirement, so in about half the States that they were ballot qualified, they listed an alternate VP candidate because those States wouldn't put their intended choice on the ballot.  Existing Federal law on this subject just makes the assumption that the Electors won't vote for unqualified persons.  Aside from changes to Presidential succession and from Constitutional amendments, the Federal law on this subject dates to the 19th century.
15203  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Excessive thread merging in the 2010 elections thread on: November 07, 2010, 07:25:37 pm
Stuff Sam says when unprovoked is for another discussion.  Here he was responding the same way I would have to being patronizingly told not to make this "mistake" again (despite one not having been made in the first place).

In the view of quite a few people here, including me, he definitely made a mistake in merging the threads.  Granted Antonio should have had the grace to be a good winner, but apparently that seems to be out of vogue in today's me-centric society, along with realizing that it isn't the end of the world to have made a mistake, unless that mistake was to press the history-eraser button of course.
15204  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Alvin Greene's comic book. on: November 07, 2010, 10:57:43 am
As long as it doesn't show Greene as a wrestler he should have no problems.  Or if he does, it would with the people who own the rights to the 1975 movie The Ultimate Warrior.
15205  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Excessive thread merging in the 2010 elections thread on: November 07, 2010, 10:34:36 am
I won't merge the two threads.

As you wish. Anyways, I've reopened only the Gubernatorial thread as the Senatorial one basically came down to Alaska.

Just try not to make this mistake again.

And just try not to be an asshole again.

Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bedroom this morning?
15206  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Will House Republicans throw the Birthers a bone? on: November 06, 2010, 11:56:28 pm
The only thing even marginally resembling a bone that might get thrown the Birthers' way would be some sort of legislation requiring that the President-elect and Vice President-elect submit documentation to Congress that they meet the qualifications for the office.  Congress' authority to verify that the President-elect and Vice President-elect qualify for office is certainly implied in the original Constitution, and spelled out in the 20th Amendment.  Since Obama would have no problem meeting such a requirement, it would be a meaningless bone.

Certainly no hearings into whether Obama really is qualified to be President.
15207  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Lindsey Graham wants Iran war on: November 06, 2010, 10:27:51 pm
Lindsey!  You know you're still gonna lose your primary, right?  Chill man, take it easy

Four years is a long time, though I grant that had he been up this year, he would have likely been primaried, which might have given us Senator-elect Greene. Wink  Still, I don't see this as being quite as war-mongering as Libertas does.  He's saying that he thinks things have gone past the point where a surgical strike can stop Iran in its pursuit of the bomb.  If so, then considering other options and whether they are worth the cost is prudent.  Unless we have evidence that Iran is preparing to use the bomb for more than deterrence, then it isn't worth the cost.
15208  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Excessive thread merging in the 2010 elections thread on: November 06, 2010, 01:42:59 pm
I must admit, I don't see the purpose of the moderators establishing different threads for races in different areas only to merge them all into a single topic later.  I could possibly see merging Antonio's thread into the summary thread, but I don't really see the point either.
15209  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Phrases you want to see retired on: November 06, 2010, 09:19:30 am
"Healthcare is a right, not a privilege"

I understand that you think healthcare is a privilege, but don't assume that other people are similarly unfeeling.

The objection I have with that phrase is that healthcare, like most so-called "positive rights", is not a right.  Maybe you think forcing people to provide healthcare at government dictated prices is a "right", or maybe you live in a fanatasyland where the government can spend all it wants without any consequences, but I don't think that and I don't live in such a place.  That isn't to say there isn't a role for government in our healthcare system, but to call it a right is just plain wrong, or at least a devaluation of what the word "right" means.  A right is a fundamental liberty that the government can guarantee by not doing anything that violates that liberty and by seeing to it that private actors don't undertake actions that violate such liberties either.
15210  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Republicans waste no time in killing passenger rail on: November 05, 2010, 02:58:34 pm
How did we veer off from high speed passenger rail to a discussion of commuter rail?  Despite both being rail, they are different beasts in terms of their economics and purpose.
15211  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Why is the Space Shuttle being retired? on: November 05, 2010, 02:30:14 pm
How much would it cost to fly 3 flights per year (1 fight per year per shuttle) in order to maintain the fleet, $5B/year?  Isnít the inspiration the shuttle provides Americans and its school children worth $5B/year?  Plus the US gets the added benefit of maintaining a manned flight capability, and maintaining the accompanying knowledge base (which otherwise would quickly be dispersed), and an insurance policy to mitigate the risk of Russia cutting off US access to the ISS.

If the Russians do cut us off from the Imperial Space Station, we should thank them.  The manned space program has been a piece of expensive and pointless propaganda since the end of Apollo.  (At least Apollo had a point and it was conceived back when space technology was far less capable than it is now.)  I could see some point to this expensive boondoggle if we were preparing to establish a self-sustaining colony on either Luna or Mars but we're not doing that.  There is absolutely nothing that we are doing or even planning on doing in space that cannot be done more safely and at a lower cost with unmanned space probes.
15212  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Republicans waste no time in killing passenger rail on: November 05, 2010, 12:37:08 am
The problem with high-speed rail is that everyone agrees it would be a wonderful idea if someone else used it to unclog the highways.  With both rail and air travel the person has made the decision to undergo the hassle of having to get to the station/airport and then leave the station/airport at the other end.  Automobile travel has no such hassle, so rail is a tough sell for people who will be doing a road trip that takes less than a day anyway unless their trip is already going to be city center to city center.
15213  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Opinion of Allendale County, SC on: November 05, 2010, 12:29:23 am
In addition to being much more dangerous,

Are their numbers to back that up? The interstate system has some horrific numbers.

The Interstate system also has much higher traffic.

Here a link to some data from the Bureau of Transportation Statistics
http://www.bts.gov/publications/national_transportation_statistics/html/table_02_18.html

On a per passenger mile basis, rural roads are about twice as dangerous as urban roads of the same class, and interstate highways are the safest class of all.
15214  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Republicans waste no time in killing passenger rail on: November 05, 2010, 12:13:16 am
What part of the road system makes money?

The toll roads, bridges and tunnels that are scattered throughout the US.
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Not all of them make money.  The Southern Connector (the part of I-185 south of I-85 in Greenville) filed for bankruptcy this year.

That said, high-speed rail isn't really suited for taking traffic off the roads, but for relieving congested airports and air space by providing an alternative to short flights that is often faster.  That's one reason Acela does well.
15215  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: So yeah, the Tea Party hilariously screwed the GOP last night. on: November 05, 2010, 12:05:10 am
LePage's victory has sealed Snowe's fate in Maine. Her only hope is to stop being a moderate hero and try to appeal to the tea party.
If she does get primaried she'll pull a Crist. Except she would probably win with 60% of the vote even then..
No, she'd pull a Murkowski, not a Crist, since as you pointed out, she'd win.
15216  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: The Standard for Female Politicians on: November 04, 2010, 04:45:45 pm
     Olympia Snowe defeated a female challenger in 2006.

As did Susan Collins in 2002.

Some would argue that neither one is really a Republican. Wink

After all, if a theory doesn't fit the facts, you need to change the facts. Tongue
15217  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: 2012 a bloodbath for Democrats in the senate? on: November 04, 2010, 03:05:41 pm
Republicans will gain the senate and lose the house. Just cause that'd be humorous.

Actually, that's quite possible. The way the class of 2012 is stacked then depending on what the situation is in 2012, anything from a +2 gain for the Democrats to a +16 gain for the GOP is possible.  In a neutral year, I'd expect a +5 or 6 gain for the Republicans and if 2012 is like 2010, I'd expect a +10 to +12 gain for the GOP.

So, in a slightly off year for the GOP, gaining just enough to retake the Senate while just losing the House is about what I'd expect.
15218  Election Archive / 2010 Elections / Re: How stupid is the American electorate? on: November 04, 2010, 02:56:28 pm
What concerns me about this is that it has made America such a weak player in the world. We are so caught up in appeasing 20% of the population who switch their votes based on their selfish desires, that we forget to care about the greater good, the bigger picture. Look at China, the gov. there has so much power and control but it is effective because it quells the outspoken opposition. Now I would never ever support our country becoming such an authoritarian dictatorship, but I believe that we could learn a lesson about Patriotism from the Chinese.

Not really.  China's number one problem these days is corruption that causes them to make decisions that are not in the best interests of the country and that makes it difficult to institute reforms that the national government realizes would benefit China but are stonewalled at the local level because they take money out of the pockets of local graftmeisters.  The problem is, the Chinese have no effective way of controlling the greed of the local mandarins under their current system.  So they try to tamp down the public discontent by making examples of the most egregious cases and playing the jingoism card.

The Chinese government is riding the back of a tiger and knows it. What worries me is if China gets someone over there like Milosevic in the former Yugoslavia who doesn't care how much damage the tiger does so long as he is still in charge.
15219  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Opinion of Allendale County, SC on: November 04, 2010, 12:07:26 pm
Alvin Greene's best county in the state. He won 68.57% in it. 68.57% for Alvin Greene. ALVIN GREENE.

This is truly a Freedom County and a wonderful place. I hope to visit there one day.

Your visit will be truly appreciated.  Allendale County is a place that was absolutely ruined by the Interstate Highway System.  Back before I-95 was built on a totally different alignment, US 301 was the major highway used by folks traveling from the Northeast down to Florida.  Allendale had a bunch of those pre-chain locally owned motels as it was a good stopping point that was roughly one day's travel north of Florida.  Along comes I-95 and even before it was built it had a chilling effect on the local economy.  No one was willing to build new motels or make improvements on businesses that would be effectively worthless once I-95 was finished.  As of the last time I went through there, there were several old run-down dilapidated abandoned motels still standing, along with a few that were still in business and barely surviving on the nostalgia trade.

So once upon a time, Allendale was a thriving community on a major highway, but now it's way in the boondocks, well over an hour away from the nearest interstate.  The US 301 corridor is the most economically challenged part of our state, in large part because the Interstate Highway System screwed them over.
15220  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Blocked! on: November 04, 2010, 11:44:54 am
I'd be inclined to think the university or other ISP you were trying to access the site from in El Salvador ended up on a spammer blacklist somehow.
15221  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: So yeah, the Tea Party hilariously screwed the GOP last night. on: November 03, 2010, 05:44:06 pm
Even if one accepts the premise that the TEA Party movement cost the GOP a shot at narrowly controlling the Senate, it doesn't follow that it is a bad thing for either the GOP or the TEA Party for that to have happened.  Trying to hold together 51 or 52 Senators was always going to be dicey, especially when some of them openly don't ascribe to the TEA Party bullet points, and Obama is still in the White House.  The Class I Senate seats are so lopsidely Democratic thanks to 2006, that unless the GOP has an awful year in 2012, I'd expect them to gain 6 seats in 2012 and if everything goes their way, could possibly gain as many as 15.  If 2012 is like 2010, I'd expect the GOP to gain 10-12 seats given which seats are up for election.  Conversely, even if the Democrats have a wonderful 2012, at most they can pick up 2 Senate seats in 2012: Brown in Massachusetts and if Snowe gets primaried or retires they would have a shot at Maine.
15222  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: ok, let's not do the multiple result threads again on: November 03, 2010, 03:25:19 pm
At a minimum, if multiple threads are used again, there needs to be a unified Senate thread.  With the House, I can see some sense in splitting off subthreads by region for individual races and leaving the main thread to discuss how the House races as a whole.  However, it would be better to have just opened all the threads at 2200 GMT regardless of whether there were any polls closed yet to comment upon.
15223  Election Archive / 2010 Elections / Re: How stupid is the American electorate? on: November 03, 2010, 01:11:10 pm
Certainly not option 5, Alfred E. Neuman.  The electorate as a whole was worried about the economy and it was the Democrats who took a decidedly "What me worry?" approach to the problem.
15224  Election Archive / 2010 Elections / Talk about being lazy... on: November 03, 2010, 01:07:53 pm
(link - The State)

We have a Republican campaign consultant here in South Carolina, Robert Cahaly, who has gotten in trouble with the law for making some robocall push polls in some races for the State House of Representatives.  The warrants that SLED has issued for his arrest were not because they were robocalls, nor because they were push polls.  No, because he failed to indicate in the calls who had paid for the calls.  Considering how easy it is to come up with some meaningless name for a front group, such as South Carolina Institute for Electoral Inquiryô, failing to do that smacks of laziness, incompetence, or both.  Even if he doesn't get convicted (and thereby loses his voting rights), I can't imagine many wanting to hire him next cycle given his demonstrated lack of ability.
15225  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: NATIONAL GOVERNOR/OTHER RESULTS THREAD (LATE RESULTS/POSTMORTEM) on: November 02, 2010, 10:18:53 pm
What on earth is going on in Rhode Island?

Sanity has prevailed over the forces of political correctness.  The ballot measure to strike "and Providence Plantations" from the official name has gone down in flames!
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