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16726  General Discussion / History / Re: Presidential Trivia on: April 22, 2008, 08:01:53 pm
John Adams is the likely second then, as he tried to do things Presidentially in the same manner as Washington.  Was the purpose of their presence related to the advice and consent powers of the Senate?
16727  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Gaming the States 3: Clinton vs. McCain is Coming on: April 22, 2008, 07:54:01 pm
Because I'm too young to have watched Captain Planet:

Barney is a dinosaur from our imagination;
When he's tall, he's what we call a dinosaur sensation!
Barney comes to play with us whenever we may need him;
Barney can be your friend too if you just make believe him!

Die! Die! Die!
16728  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Your tax and spending proposals? on: April 22, 2008, 06:08:46 pm
Create a flat tax with a rate around 17% and a ceiling of $25,000.  Also, allow for a $5,000 deduction for each dependent.

If there is a ceiling then it isn't a flat tax, indeed you've made it a very regressive tax.  A person who makes $1,000,000 pays only a 4% tax under your proposal.

I favor a true flat tax of Z% with the only deductions being a refundable one of $X per household plus $Y per dependent for someone who works full time  (defined as 2,000 hours per year) and pro-rated for those who work less than that.  (X, Y, and Z adjusted to provide both a guarantee of a living wage and sufficient tax revenue to meet expenses.)  The corporate income tax would be the same as the individual tax rate, and have no deductions either.  No capital gains tax, mainly because of the extensive record keeping it requires rather than its effect on the economy.  The tax system should be simple enough to put H&R Block out of business and require only that records from the tax year itself be at hand.

As far as excise taxes go, the carbon tax and sin taxes are both good.  The carbon tax should start small and keep increasing slowly with other taxes going down in response until the desired CO2 target is met or we run out of other taxes to cut.
16729  General Discussion / History / Re: Presidential Trivia on: April 22, 2008, 03:25:31 pm
Just the Senate, or might this have been a joint session held in the Senate chamber, back when such a thing might have been physically possible?
16730  Election Archive / 2008 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: Gallup national: Obama +10 over Clinton; nationally, Obama +3 and Clinton +6 on: April 22, 2008, 03:13:45 pm
Bush's 69% disapproval is the highest ever recorded

For Bush, or for any president?  (link didn't work for me)

One of the other news services said "within the past 70 years."  I don't recall what caused FDR to be so low other than the recession, but he's often praised as being on of the top 15 presidents.  Just goes to show that in-term popularity polls don't mean much when you are able to look at history and judge the long-term results.

No, he's the most unpopular President in the history of the poll.

If it weren't due to the limited poll history, I'd imagine that Roosevelt's court-packing plan and the downturn of 1937-38 was the cause of his low numbers.  The Republicans gained 6 Senate seats and 81 House seats in the 1938 elections, so that was definitely FDR's low point.
16731  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: New Register Thread on: April 22, 2008, 02:46:02 pm
I felt like taking a turn to left, and NASCAR is all about turning to the left. Wink
16732  General Politics / International General Discussion / With allies like these, who needs enemies... on: April 22, 2008, 02:28:33 pm

Cases like this one is why we should sit the Israel ambassador down and tell him if they steal any more secrets, we'll hand over copies to the Egyptians and the Saudis.  After all, since the secrets have already been compromised, what harm could it do to spread them around some more?

At the very least we should close down the Israeli Consulate in Manhattan for a while over this.
16733  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: New Register Thread on: April 22, 2008, 02:13:17 pm
Independent NASCAR Fan Party
16734  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Economic Hysteria on: April 22, 2008, 01:11:51 pm
That said, I agree that the hype of a Great Depression II is overblown.  Of course, if the Democrats pass a Smoot-Hawley II then we may well get a Great Depression II.
Aye, but what Democrat is proposing massive trade barriers?

Both Hillary and Obama are already proposing "renegotiating" NAFTA and our other trade agreements.  The global economy is soft enough right now, that it wouldn't take all that much for a small pebble of protectionism to trigger an avalanche.
16735  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Pennsylvania Primary Prediction Thread on: April 21, 2008, 11:47:27 pm
Let's go with Clinton 50 Obama 49 and that it won't be called until Wednesday morning.
16736  General Discussion / History / Re: Presidential Trivia on: April 21, 2008, 10:24:29 pm
I'll ask a question since J.J. forgot to:

Who was the first president to throw out a ceremonial first pitch at a baseball game?


This then living president was "seen" in the Star Trek, the Original Series.  Who was it?

Correct.  In the first pilot, "The Cage," which was later re-edited into "The Menagerie," Eisenhower's sketch appears on a view screen while Spock is searching the library computer.

I would have guessed he appeared in the World War II footage during "The City on the Edge of Forever" which I believe did show FDR (He was at least mentioned)
16737  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: SCOTUS upholds legality of lethal injection on: April 21, 2008, 09:02:57 pm
I think the SCOTUS did the right thing and the injection beats ole "Sparky".

As the Constitution currently stands, the SCOTUS did the "correct" thing. It's wasn't their job to rule on the death penalty in general. That's already been done.

And precisely because of that, we need some changes to the Constitution. Executing people shouldn't just be a question of legality. It shouldn't be morally acceptable to anyone. I'd like to see if capital punishment's most vocal supporters would be willing to work as an executioner.

16738  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Economic Hysteria on: April 21, 2008, 09:02:05 pm
That said, I agree that the hype of a Great Depression II is overblown.  Of course, if the Democrats pass a Smoot-Hawley II then we may well get a Great Depression II.

Probably an 80% chance of this country never having a Great Depression again. The system has been built with safeguards to prevent such a catastrophe.

You mean like the Titanic was built to be unsinkable?  We have safeguards to keep a great depression from happening in exactly the same way, but despite Santayana, history never does an exact repeat.
16739  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Amendment to the Taiwan Relations Act on: April 21, 2008, 03:54:22 pm
Sorry for the late comment, but I think I just realized why the Taiwan Relations Act doesn't cover the Kinmen and Matsu islands.  They are outside the territory covered by the Treaty of San Francisco.  Thus while they are part of the Republic of China, there is no way they can be plausibly be considered part of an independent Taiwan, if one takes the position favored by some supporters of Taiwan independence that Taiwan gained its de jure independence from Japan in 1952 with the Treaty of San Francisco ending the Pacific part of World War II.
16740  Forum Community / Election and History Games / Re: RISK Domination VI: Round 7 (Verily) on: April 21, 2008, 12:22:47 pm
That's possibly the worst luck I've ever seen. Attack AR-MS, then have all of my forces commit seppuku (kidding).

I think they were already doing it without orders.
16741  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Provisional Results, April 2008 Senate Elections (PR-STV) on: April 21, 2008, 12:18:18 pm
I beat Sensei? What the hell?

Last minute vote by Ernest preferenced Hashemite first, you second.  Both you and Sensei received 2 first preference votes; you got the benefit of Ernest's transfer keeping you in the race.

Now, now, don't understate my voting shenanigans.  If I had placed another candidate such as Willy Woz as second and then Happy Warrior as third, then Hashemite who I placed first would have won the tiebreak and Happy Warrior would have been eliminated first of those with two first preferences.
16742  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Provisional Results, April 2008 Senate Elections (PR-STV) on: April 21, 2008, 12:34:44 am
I have a different first round result.  Sensei has 3 first preferences, not 2.  (Sensei, Cookies and Milk, and meekermariner)  That means that Happy Warrior is eliminated before Sensei, which causes of Happy's votes to flow to Sensei, so he doesn't get eliminated in the next round either.
16743  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Meeker's disasterous attempt at counting (Now featuring accurate numbers!) on: April 20, 2008, 11:12:03 pm
One thing I'm not quite clear on.  If an candidate is eliminated and a voter has as their next preference a candidate that has already met quota, does that candidate's surplus get refigured, or skipped?  It makes a difference in the numbers at least since EarlAW meets quota and then is in a position to pick up transfered votes from Sensei.
16744  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Examiner: Election Nailbiter on: April 20, 2008, 10:54:14 pm
I feel sorry for HappyWarrior.  On all three ballots where a person gave the same rank to two candidates, he was one of the ones who was involved.
16745  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: April 2008 Federal Senate Elections Official Booth on: April 20, 2008, 10:49:45 pm
(Five to be elected from a single nationwide district)

[ 6 ] Colin Wixted (NLC-PA)
[ 2 ] HappyWarrior (PLP-MD)
[ 14 ] Willy Woz (JCP-TN)
[ 9 ] EarlAW (PLP-NY)
[ 5 ] Afleitch (NLC-WI)
[ 10 ] Sensei (PLP-OH)
[ 3 ] Jake (NLC-MS)
[ 8 ] Bacon King (NLC-GA)
[ 12 ] CultureKing (JCP-WA)
[ 1 ] Hashemite (LLDL-VT)
[ 11 ] kingofthebenchpress (I-PA)
[ 13 ] Lewis Trondheim (JCP-ND)
[ 4 ] Rockefeller Republican (NLC-ME)
[ 7 ] South Park Conservative (NLC-IA)
16746  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Georgia? on: April 20, 2008, 03:17:45 pm
One reason that applies strictly to Georgia is anti-Atlantaism.  Unlike Virginia or North Carolina, Georgia has one primary metropolis that is both the economic and political center of the State. If you brought up the idea of the South seceding someday, you'd get more support in South Georgia for the idea of seceding from Atlanta than from Washington.  I suspect that if Atlanta were a Republican city, South Georgia would be solidly Democratic.
16747  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Economic Hysteria on: April 20, 2008, 11:54:48 am
There are strong concerns that the LIBOR is lower than it should be due to underreporting.  LIBOR is based on self-reported costs of borrowing and in the current situation, institutions have a strong self-interest in reporting those costs as lower than they are so as to avoid becoming the next Bear Stearns.  So the fact that the LIBOR is low is not particularly reassuring.

That said, I agree that the hype of a Great Depression II is overblown.  Of course, if the Democrats pass a Smoot-Hawley II then we may well get a Great Depression II.
16748  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: Northeast Legislature- April 2008 Propositions on: April 19, 2008, 11:38:02 pm
16749  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Battle of the Countries: ROUND 3 - Spain vs Uruguay on: April 19, 2008, 08:20:48 pm
In what will hopefully be a silent majority, Uruguay.
16750  General Discussion / History / Re: Presidential Trivia on: April 19, 2008, 08:03:03 pm
Don't know the Australian question, but to get this back on topic, which two White House residents have died from complications from exposure to the weather at a Presidential inauguration?

I know William Henry Harrison is one.  Now since you said residents, I assume the other one is not a President.

Does anyone know the other one?

I've looked and cannot find any children or pets; so, I'm guessing this wasn't a "relative" of the President. Please tell.

Abigail Powers Fillmore died from pneumonia contracted as a result of being at her husband's side at the snowy inauguration of his successor Franklin Pierce.
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