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16726  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Vil and Hill on the Grill on: August 25, 2007, 08:44:18 pm


Somebody wants to be Vice President...

Why would any presidential candidate want to known as a flip-flopper on pork? Grin

More seriously it looks like Hillary's apron has her name in white letters at the top on it while Vilsack's is safely anonymous.
16727  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Should showing or selling foreign films with no English dubbing be illegal? on: August 25, 2007, 07:09:05 pm
I wouldn't object to possibly requiring that DVD's offer optional subtitles in a country's official language, but frankly I can't see why the marketplace shouldn't be left to decide that issue.
16728  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: DNC strips Florida of all delegates on: August 25, 2007, 06:19:32 pm
Hopefully, though I doubt it, this will eventually end with the States getting out of the business of running political primaries.  They should be run by the parties with not a single cent of public money being used on them.
16729  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The “National Liberal Coalition”, Opening Convention on: August 25, 2007, 01:33:47 pm
gold or orange would be best, depending on how libertarian we intend to be in our liberalism.
16730  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: The 2008 Presidential Primary Mock Election on: August 25, 2007, 01:09:25 am
Since the Democrats have delegates for Democrats Abroad, could the foreign vote be used to pick those delegates?
16731  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Liberal Blogger Desires to Purge the Democratic Party on: August 25, 2007, 01:02:27 am
Yup a radical agenda based on the premise that both government and individuals should be held responsible for their actions.
16732  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Rumours of Fidel's death? on: August 25, 2007, 12:46:02 am
This just in.  Francisco Franco is still dead.                                                                                      The hunt is on for Osama Bin Laden.                                                                                                 Fidel Castro is rumored to be dead.                                                                                                 The National Temperature Index is 877°F / 469°C.
16733  Forum Community / Election and History Games / Re: RISK Domination III: Round 4 (TN2024) on: August 24, 2007, 11:42:30 pm
Not legal as state.  You only get to make one move of troops not associated with an attack,  and it can only be from one single state to any one adjacent state you control.  Plus when you make that non-attacking move, you've ended your turn as you can't make any more attacks.

Assuming what you want to do is conquer NJ, PA, OH, and KY and then leave as equal a number as possible in OH, KY, and VA, then the attack orders are fine, but you need to order that one third of the force attacking Kentucky from Ohio will remain in Ohio, then do a tactical move of half your force in Kentucky into Virgina.  However, that tactical move will end your turn, so you won't be able to give any further orders.
16734  Forum Community / Election and History Games / Re: RISK Domination III: Round 4 (TN2024) on: August 24, 2007, 09:54:23 pm
That's an extra 10 battallions you can place anywhere, plus 2 more that go to Reipublicć Connecticutensis.
16735  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Hillary says surge may be working, McCain lashes her for flip-flop on: August 24, 2007, 07:36:34 pm
The surge would actually be a good idea if we had enough troops to do it right.  As it is, it achieves local successes but is unable to achieve anything overall in Iraq.  Plus the problems in the south of Iraq points to the very real possibility of intra-Shiite fighting.
16736  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: The 2008 Presidential Primary Mock Election on: August 24, 2007, 06:55:44 pm
    And tell the pleasant prince this mock of his
    Hath turn'd his balls to gun-stones; and his soul
    Shall stand sore charged for the wasteful vengeance
    That shall fly with them: for many a thousand widows
    Shall this his mock mock out of their dear husbands;
    Mock mothers from their sons, mock castles down;
    And some are yet ungotten and unborn
    That shall have cause to curse the Dauphin's scorn.


Thanks Dave.  Will you be adding primaries for third parties?
16737  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Southern California/Inland Empire Political History on: August 24, 2007, 06:12:27 pm
I'd say that Prop 187 retarded the gains the GOP was making in the Latino community.  But it is merely the Californian symbol for the nativist sentiment of a significant chunk of the GOP that has impeded the party's ability nationally to reach out to the Latino and other ethnic communities.  That sentiment rather than any specific measure is what truly at work here.
16738  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The “National Liberal Coalition”, Opening Convention on: August 24, 2007, 06:03:25 pm
will members of this party participate in the progressive primary?

I imagine that members of the progressive wing of the party will, but I would not expect the entire party to.
16739  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: San Jose, CA: 1 Million inhabitants by 2010 ? on: August 24, 2007, 06:01:22 pm
No, not for the Census.  I imagine that the California Department of Finance number is probably inflated by people who work in San Jose (and thus have payroll taxes collected there) but live someplace more affordable.
16740  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The “National Liberal Coalition”, Opening Convention on: August 24, 2007, 12:47:47 pm
I'll seek credentials for the convention, but until a platform is agreed to, I'll refrain from officially joining the coalition as afar as the DoFA is concerned.

So that we can have as broad based a party as possible, I propose that our rules require either a three-fifths or two-thirds majority to add or alter a plank to the platform and only a bare majority to drop one.
16741  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: SurveyUSA August 2007 Senate Approval Ratings on: August 24, 2007, 01:11:34 am
I'm surprised no one's paying SUSA to poll Graham's popularity yet.  While the lack of any hint of a credible challenger might have something to do with that, one would think it would at the least be an interesting crosstab for the presidential primary polling (along with support for DeMint and Sanford).
16742  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: roundup of big state primary calendar news on: August 24, 2007, 12:37:44 am
Any chance a state that's holding a general election this November might attach a non-binding preference to the ballot?
16743  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Re: No 25th Amendment on: August 23, 2007, 06:11:43 pm
That assumes absent the 25th Amendment Nixon keeps Agnew for a second term.  Nixon had his doubts about Agnew, but secure in the knowledge that if his suspicions caused Agnew to have to resign, he chose not to undertake the potentially politically damaging course of changing his running mate for his second term.  Without the 25th Amendment Nixon probably chooses a second VP for his second term.
16744  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Department of External Affairs on: August 23, 2007, 12:28:53 pm
Foggy Bottom, Nyman, DC

Good afternoon. I have a statement to read you. I'll start out with that.

"The Atlasian Government condemns the Burmese regime's arrest of Min Ko Naing, Ko Ko Gyi and several other pro-democracy activists on August 22nd for organizing peaceful demonstrations to express public concern about recent increases in the price of fuel. Atlasia calls for the immediate release of these activists and for an end of the regime's blatant attempt to intimidate and silence those who are engaged in peaceful promotion of democracy and human rights in Burma. We call on the regime to engage in a meaningful dialog with the leaders of Burma's democracy movement and ethnic minority groups and to make tangible steps toward a transition to civilian democratic rule."

Next.  As you've noticed, this place has new management.  I hope to be a somewhat active Secretary, though careful observers may notice a bit of cut and paste in some of my presentations.  I anticipate my next briefing will be Monday, after this weekend's elections when I shall present some bills for contemplation by the next Senate.  I also plan to announce then an itinerary of visits abroad, concentrating first on the Americas, which have been somewhat neglected.
16745  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Candidate Declaration Thread on: August 23, 2007, 12:00:06 pm
I am withdrawing from the District 2 Senate Race.
16746  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Swearing in of New Officeholders on: August 23, 2007, 11:58:06 am
I, Ernest, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully execute the office of Secretary of External Affairs and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia, so help me Dave.
16747  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: National Foundation for the Protection of Secularism (NFPS) on: August 23, 2007, 11:55:45 am
I think I'll wait and see what sort of a track record this organization establishes first.
16748  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Re: Alternative 1972: Nixon dosen't run on: August 23, 2007, 02:30:45 am
Absent health problems or blackmail, I can't imagine Nixon not running for a second term, even if in some alt-history he had Bush's current popularity numbers.

Also, I can't see the Democrats giving the nomination to Humphrey under any circumstances.  In real life, Humphrey came in sixth at the 1972 convention, behind even Rep. Shirley Chisholm and Gov. Terry Sanford.  Far likelier that Sen. Scoop Jackson (who came in second), or if he avoids getting shot, Gov. George Wallace (who came in third) wins the nomination if you insist on changing both real life nominees.

Finally, I can't Baker being confident enough in 1972 to simultaneously run for Vice President and Senator, or relinquishing his Senate seat to run only for Vice President.  Baker won his seat in 1966 in large part to Democratic in-fighting.

There's just too many implausible things here for me suspend disbelief and accept this an alternate election.
16749  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: workplace safety regulations? on: August 22, 2007, 10:56:06 pm
That's why we need to wipe out all those pesky unions so they can never fight for tougher safety regulations.

Actually the reverse is true.  Can you imagine how strong the labor union movement would be if workers had to depend on labor unions instead of the government to gain decent workplace safety regulations?
16750  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Gore wins an Arizona Straw Poll on: August 22, 2007, 10:53:29 pm
I held a straw poll today in my living room.  My roommates each paid $75 to vote for me.  I won.

Shares of me-to-win the Democratic nomination are now up to 0.4 on Intrade.

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