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16726  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Researchers Play Tune Recorded Before Edison on: April 05, 2008, 05:47:34 pm
Very cool. It is said to have been made on April 9, 1860, though I have no idea how that was determined.

That was the date written on the phonautograph.
16727  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Electoral College Tie Analysis on: April 05, 2008, 05:32:43 pm
On the split states, is there a chance that something similar to 1800 happens, in which one member doesn't vote, allowing the state to go for one candidate?

Entirely possible, as only a majority of the votes cast is needed for a candidate to win the state (under the 1824 rules, as decided by Congress on February 7th, 1825 [Link]).

That is also what happened in 1801.  Maryland was split 4-4 as was Vermont 1-1 for the first 35 ballots so they were treated as no result.  On the 36th ballot, the Federalists voting for Burr in those States abstained, giving Jefferson the States despite not having a majority of the delegation, but having a majority of the votes cast.
16728  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Northeast Propositions for April 2008 on: April 05, 2008, 02:19:09 pm
The following act provides an incentive against people trying to have their property underassessed for property tax.

Eminent Domain / Property Tax Valuation Linkage Act

In the event the government acquires a property through the use of eminent domain, the amount paid shall be no higher than the value assessed for purposes of property tax, adjusted for retail price inflation since the last assessment.
16729  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Presidential Survivor -- Poll 5: on: April 05, 2008, 02:06:39 pm
I'll have a Bourbon Democrat, s'il vous plait.
16730  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: Why isn't Communitarianism more popular as an ideology? on: April 04, 2008, 06:10:17 pm
The Christian Coalition is very recent and despite its name, focused on only a few narrow issues.  Not only that, I'd argue that its collapse proves my point.
16731  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Battle of the countries: ROUND 2 - United States vs Malta on: April 04, 2008, 05:48:32 pm
Thay also won the Victoria Cross.
16732  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Thirteen names on McCain's running mate list... on: April 04, 2008, 05:45:04 pm

South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford - Good choice


Youthful and charismatic, but in terms of accomplishments, he has about as many as Obama does.  I can't see him having much appeal to the middle nationally, especially in the middle of an economic slowdown or recession.  Sanford's likely solution to the housing crisis would be to fully privatize Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac so that no one would expect the Federal Government to bail them out if things got worse.
16733  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: Why isn't Communitarianism more popular as an ideology? on: April 04, 2008, 05:34:16 pm
It's interesting that in a country where religion is so tied with politics, people would still be strongly adherent to the First Amendment that a political party could be sunk if they so much as put the term "Christian" in its name.

If a Baptist tried to start a Christian Democratic party here, he'd get few votes from Methodists, Presbyterians, Episcopalians, or Catholics as they'd suspect he thought that he was a better Christian than they.  Same for the other creeds.  The multiplicity of Christian denominations makes it hard to form a Christian themed party here.
16734  Election Archive / 2008 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: ME: Rasmussen: Obama edges McCain by 10, Clinton by 5 on: April 04, 2008, 05:23:20 pm
They're polling Maine. Ok. They're polling Maine.

I give up.

Maine has a Senate primary in early June and Rasmussen has typically been releasing Presidential results a couple days before it does the same for the Senatorial and/or Gubernatorial race.  Perhaps they're using the Presidential poll to help them calibrate their local poll?

Would've been interesting to divide the result by CD, to see if McCain is within striking distance (or even maybe winning CD2 against Clinton).

Maine doesn't have as great a difference between its CD's as Nebraska, so there is no chance of McCain leading in CD 2 against Hillary based on these numbers.  Close, but not leading.
16735  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Thirteen names on McCain's running mate list... on: April 04, 2008, 03:28:02 pm
No Lieberman?

Not unless he's also heading up McCain's VP selection process. Wink
16736  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: "Nightmare Senario" for the GOP on: April 04, 2008, 02:02:22 pm
If this were to happen, the GOP would likely go for a popular two-term Governor.
16737  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: "Nightmare Senario" for the GOP on: April 04, 2008, 01:21:16 pm
And if the same sort of thing happens to the Dems, does that mean Al Gore is back?

The only way Obama and Clinton would be lost in the same air crash would be if their planes collided in the skies.
16738  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: Why isn't Communitarianism more popular as an ideology? on: April 04, 2008, 11:54:29 am
Ever since the demise of the Federalists in the 1810's the U.S. has lacked a party that espouses the idea that there exists a group of wise elders who are smarter than the common people and that should therefore be entrusted with making decisions for society as a whole.  Whether it be Jacksonian Democracy, abolitionism, populism, progressivism, the New Deal, the Great Society, Reaganomics, New Democrats, etc., the predominant thought in American political discourse has been that there exists some elite group (which group is the elite group differs depending upon the movement) that has been the cause of most of the ills of society, and that if we could just get rid of or control that elite, society would be better.

Communitarianism depends upon people accepting that there exists a group of people who can make wiser decisions than those made by the people as a whole.  The continuing litany of elite-bashing makes acceptance of any self-proclaimed elite unlikely in the American body politic.
16739  Forum Community / Election and History Games / Re: RISK Domination VI: Round 3 (Verily) on: April 03, 2008, 10:38:40 pm
Move all from South Carolina to Georgia and end turn. (Yes, it does make sense.)

It makes lots of sense.  Unless you lose control of the Southeast because someone takes Mississippi, you'll be able to counterpunch from Georgia.


Josh isn't doing what I have would have done with all those armies, but then I wouldn't have ever tried to hold onto the Midwest in the first place.

You'd either have tried to wipe me out or take Verily's regional bonuses, right?  Can't figure out which one.



No, I had in mind something more audacious than either of those limited goals, taking out both you and Gustaf.  If he'd placed everything in Missouri and headed west, he'd have had a pretty fair shot at accomplishing that.
16740  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Dick Morris: Hillary is staying in the race to try and shift her $13m debts on: April 03, 2008, 09:59:29 pm
And even if she can't pay off her 2008 campaign debt with additional fundraising, what's the worst that's going to happen to her?  It's not as if she's going to be thrown in jail.  And the Clintons are now rich enough that they could easily afford any fines.  So it seems kind of stupid to be continuing the campaign just for financial reasons.

The worst that can happen is that when she tries another Presidential campaign, she can't get people to agree to be paid later once the contributions come in.  She could even have what happened to John Glenn happen to her.  A very disgruntled sign maker picketed outside the Senate office building with signs asking when the deadbeat candidate was going to pay him.  Can you imagine how much fun Fox News would have covering that if it were to happen these days?

Only if Hillary has no interest in trying to run for President again, does she not have to worry about having unpaid campaign debt, but if she does then want a second bite at the apple, the unpaid debt will be a heavy hindrance.
16741  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Dick Morris: Hillary is staying in the race to try and shift her $13m debts on: April 03, 2008, 08:15:09 pm
If she's just trying to repay her debt, why would she keep buying ads instead of saving up every penny that's being raised?

Because she needs to win Pennsylvania to trigger more fund raising.  Obama's starting running TV ads in North Carolina, so far I haven't seen a Hillary ad yet.
16742  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Italy 2008 on: April 03, 2008, 08:07:56 pm
Air France-KLM has dropped out of the talks thanks to Alitalia's obstinate unions who refused to accept the idea that in order to save some jobs others would have to be lost.  Right now, Alitalia's two choices are bankruptcy or the Italian Government breaking EU rules and putting some more cash in to prop up Alitalia.

You might end up having to rebook that flight Phil, as Alitalia could go under at any time now.
16743  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: House members urge Bush to skip Olympics on: April 03, 2008, 08:04:47 pm
I can't see why Shrub was planning to attend in the first place.  With the games being in London in 2012, I can understand Brown heading over there, but why Shrub?  To see baseball played for the last time in the Olympics?
16744  Forum Community / Election and History Games / Re: RISK Domination VI: Round 3 (Verily) on: April 03, 2008, 07:36:08 pm
Move all from South Carolina to Georgia and end turn. (Yes, it does make sense.)

It makes lots of sense.  Unless you lose control of the Southeast because someone takes Mississippi, you'll be able to counterpunch from Georgia.


Josh isn't doing what I have would have done with all those armies, but then I wouldn't have ever tried to hold onto the Midwest in the first place.
16745  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Italy 2008 on: April 03, 2008, 07:11:57 pm
I've heard that the results of the election will likely have an effect on what happens with Alitalia, but is the reverse true?  I.e., is Alitalia having an effect on the polls?
16746  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: How Pro-Life are you? on: April 03, 2008, 03:54:56 pm
The abortion issue is not one that concerns me much politically, partly because there doesn't seem to be any obvious bright lines.  The one strong opinion I have in this issue is that I do not support allowing exceptions to abortion restrictions in the case of rape or incest.  The circumstances of conception, no matter how tragic, do not affect whether the resulting life is sufficiently human to warrant protection by the state.  Whether one ends the disparity by allowing more abortions or fewer abortions does not concern me.
16747  General Discussion / History / Re: Presidential Trivia on: April 03, 2008, 03:07:42 pm
Actually, I just wanted the last two names on the list, or:

Joseph Isadore Lieberman
John Reid Edwards

Note that Walter Frederick Mondale was elected Vice President.

Not in 1980.  He was a losing nominee that year.
16748  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Dick Morris: Hillary is staying in the race to try and shift her $13m debts on: April 03, 2008, 01:35:13 pm
Anyway, you're missing the point of why many people donate to candidates.  Quite a bit of that $ is donated in an attempt to influence the people in power.  A US Senator from NY in HRC's position will have no problem raising that kind of $ (though it may take a while), even once she's given up on the presidency.

John Glenn never did manage to get his campaign debt paid off and it was only $3 million initially.  The problem is that the big donors that you think will help Hillary erase the debt in exchange for political influence with a senator have for the most part already given the max they can to the primary campaign.  There's also the fact that Hillary's influence if she doesn't get the nomination this year will be less than it would have been had she not sought the nomination.
16749  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Dick Morris: Hillary is staying in the race to try and shift her $13m debts on: April 03, 2008, 12:53:42 pm
Right.  Because Clinton is never going to be able to raise $13 million again if she drops out of the race???  Remind me again, how much did she raise for her 2006 senate race?

Those funds can't be used for her Presidential race.

Right now, if I ran a business that a campaign might wish to obtain services or supplies from, I'd deal with Hillary on only a cash in advance basis, and if she doesn't clear her debt from this Presidential race, she'll face the same problems in a future Presidential race.  The Hillary campaign's trail of late and overdue payments makes any future Presidential run by her other than one for re-election more difficult by making handling campaign finances more difficult.  John Glenn's debt leftover from his 1984 attempt was one reason he never made another attempt.  (His campaign committee finally closed down a few months ago, still owing people money.)
16750  General Discussion / History / Re: Presidential Trivia on: April 03, 2008, 12:09:39 pm
No need to include Arnold if the list is middle names of losing Democratic Vice Presidential nominees.
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