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16726  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Are "competing currencies" already allowed? on: June 17, 2010, 11:36:00 pm
No, you have to accept dollars because of legal tender laws.

Exactly. While one could use competing currencies (Liberty Dollar, for instance, of course the feds busted them for "counterfeiting", even though no Federal Reserve Notes have a denomination with Ron Paul on them), the legal tender laws ensure that if you use the FRNs, you will get service, whereas you have a lower chance of getting service if you use a private currency. Thus, this gives the FRNs an unfair advantage, since Gresham's Laws says that under legal tender laws, one would be more likely to use the less valuable currency than the more valuable currency. If legal tender laws were abolished, and the FBI stopped raiding private mints on bogus counterfeit charges, then we might have competing currencies.

The primary problem with the "Liberty" Dollar was that it purported to be U.S. dollar that was issued without authorization from the U.S. government by establishing a fixed exchange rate with the U.S dollar.  And lets face it, considering that people have passed fake $200 bills (a denomination that has never been issued), it's not a stretch to believe that a fair number of the people who accepted "Liberty"s did so because they thought they were U.S. dollars.

But worse than that, it was as a scam.  Users were supposed to buy "Liberty"s at a price higher than what gold and silver bullion cost, but lower than the face value put on them so they could pass them off on ignoramuses who thought they had the same value as a U.S. dollar.
16727  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Are "competing currencies" already allowed? on: June 17, 2010, 11:12:26 pm
No, you have to accept dollars because of legal tender laws.

Not so.  It is true that if you make use of debt you have to accept dollars as a means to settle that debt, but if you don't offer credit, you are under no obligation to accept dollars.
16728  General Discussion / Constitution and Law / Re: If you knew you had nothing to hide..... on: June 17, 2010, 08:10:13 pm
Depends.  If I had someplace I needed to be quickly, not merely wanted, but needed, yes.  However, since I rarely am in such a situation, I expect that I would usually say no.
16729  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: My journey to athiesm. on: June 17, 2010, 05:20:46 pm
That said, I don't agree with afleitch's conclusion that a rejection of deistic supremacy is logically sufficient to support an embrace of atheism.  I think both he and that street preacher he mentioned missed the point by focusing too much on God the King, and not enough on God the Father.

Without having to rely upon any scripture, one can make some basic inferences about the nature of a benevolent deity.  Such a being would have considerably more experience than any human could possibly hope to have, experience he could use to fashion a code of conduct that it would be to our benefit to follow, and which if he is benevolent would desire to make known to humanity in a fashion that humanity can comprehend.  Yet, just as sometimes a parent needs to tell his child "No" because the child is not capable of comprehending the reason why doing something is a really bad idea, it is not unreasonable that a benevolent deity might have to at times resort to such a method.

Actually it was very much focused on 'God the Father.' Which is why such a relationship for eternity ending (or beginning depending on how you look at it) with being 'fused' with a creator and loosing your own independence is horrifying. I do not wish to have the relationship with a god that I had with my own father when I was 5.

And to pick up a point, I see no reason to believe particularly from the Bible, Koran etc that their deity is in any way 'benevolent.'

I imagine that a five-year old child doesn't think that their parent is being benevolent when they don't buy them an ice-cream cone or the latest toy whenever they ask.  However, if the relationship is indeed analogous to that of a parent and a five-year old, then what you are seemingly demanding is the right to forever remain a five-year old instead of accepting guidance on how to grow up.
16730  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of the preceeding poster's signature thread on: June 17, 2010, 05:07:50 pm
Nothing screams Steelers football like two hands with 6 rings grabbing a hot girl's breasts Wink  

Maybe if Roethlisberger wasn't their quarterback, we wouldn't associate grabbing a girl's breasts with the Steelers.
16731  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Having solved all serious crimes forever, British police turn to other matters on: June 17, 2010, 02:57:52 pm
Actually, no. England does not have it's own government. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (usually known as 'Britain') does, but it also includes Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. This is not actually an issue of semantics.

You forgot Cornwall.
16732  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of the preceeding poster's signature thread on: June 17, 2010, 02:53:31 pm
Han shot Greedo first!
16733  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Alternative Elections / Re: Ron Paul vs. Woodrow Wilsom on: June 17, 2010, 02:39:10 pm
Are we talking about the Wilson of 1912, of 1916, or of 1920 here?  I think Paul would beat the Wilson of 1916, but would lose to the Wilson of 1912 or of 1920.
16734  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of the preceeding poster's signature thread on: June 16, 2010, 11:07:43 pm
I don't see the fringe labeled on that bird's right wing.
16735  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Comedy Goldmine XIII: Rand Paul's Last Dance with Mary Jane on: June 16, 2010, 10:55:45 pm
Yet another example of how Obama is bad for America. Wink

Don't deny yourself: what would the President do?  Have your ciggy.
16736  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Which of the two preceding posters is funnier? on: June 16, 2010, 10:54:54 pm
JBrase
16737  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Comedy Goldmine XIII: Rand Paul's Last Dance with Mary Jane on: June 16, 2010, 10:48:39 pm
I used to be embarresed about j*rking off.

You've finally accepted it as your only option?
16738  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: On Israel, Congress Still Obedient on: June 16, 2010, 10:43:30 pm
I find it funny how many of these Republicans who tout fiscal responsibility recently voted to send $205 million to Israel.  Only one Republican voted against it.

Ron Paul, I presume?
16739  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: If Iran Really Wants Nukes, Why Won't It Just Leave the NPT? on: June 16, 2010, 10:42:43 pm
First of all, the current regime wants there to be tensions between itself and the West, so why should it do anything that might ease those tensions?

Secondly, if it leaves the NPT before it actually has a bomb, that just guarantees that not only will Israel will try to take out the program with an attack, but that Israel could get some semi-covert U.S. assistance such as aerial refueling to help with the attack.
16740  General Discussion / History / Dick Cheney warned about another Pearl Harbor if Kerry got elected on: June 16, 2010, 10:28:04 pm
Really he knew it for nine months.

And there were really no signs about that happening. One piece of paper in the summer of 2001 wouldn't have swayed anyone prior to those towers falling.

So why are you blaming Clinton for doing exactly as you just said Bush had every reason to do?
16741  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: attention-whore thread and poll on: June 16, 2010, 07:28:13 pm
She likes you, but whether she likes you (nudge, nudge, wink, wink, know what I mean), I have no clue from that.
16742  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of the preceeding poster's signature thread on: June 16, 2010, 07:08:02 pm
bp - Buck Passing.

If bp had simply embraced Juche and followed the teachings and guidance of Dear Leader on the production of petroleum, then there would have been no spill.  Instead, it has followed the orders of its imperialist masters and created a distraction to divert the freedom-loving peoples of the world from the warmongering of the lackey regime in Seoul.



Why Barrett over Haley?

Because Haley will be as ineffective a governor as Sanford has been during the entirety of his two terms, and for much the same reasons.  I don't see much difference between the two politically, but at least Barrett has shown that he knows that soundbytes are for campaigning, not governing.
16743  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: South Carolina Dems seek to replace their unknown Senate nominee on: June 16, 2010, 06:49:07 pm
The fee for US Senate is 6% of the salary.  The fee for US House is 2% of salary (Representative and Senators are paid the same salary, so it looks like they said OOPs we better make them different percentages)

Fees for state and county offices appear to be 4% of salary, so there are some judgeships in larger counties where the fee is around $5000.  So Greene got a bargain for a statewide race.

The figure is 1% of the annual salary, times the number of years the office is for.  So DeMint and Clyburn end up paying the same amount after six years, it's just that Clyburn gets to pay for his safe seat in three easy installments.
16744  General Discussion / History / Ahem on: June 16, 2010, 06:18:41 pm
I just deleted a number of posts bickering back and forth posts about Bush 43 that had nothing to do specifically with his second term, making them off toic for this thread and not informative enough to be worth splitting into a separate thread.  Please keep threads civil and on topic.
16745  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: My journey to athiesm. on: June 16, 2010, 05:56:54 pm
tl;dr

his post simply denied Christ and exchanged Christianity for a lie, just like the scripture predicted:

2Pet 2:1  "They will introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them"

Rom 1:25 "God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.  They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised.  Amen.   26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. 28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done...32Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them"

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For those who are theists the burden of proof must be on them. Particularly for Christians.

As it has already been explained to you in the past:  Romans ch 1 is directed at the church and is regarding mutually consenting same-sex sex among those who have been made aware of the word of God.  It has nothing to do with pagans who have never heard the gospel.

The proof for you is in your own words, which have fulfilled scripture.  In fact, you even took the trouble to expound upon the creature’s right to remain independent from it’s Creator.


This is an example of what I find least attractive about jmfcst when he speaks about religion: his apparent monomania that anyone who rejects the divinity of Christ, chooses to do so because of a desire to engage in immoral behavior.  Leaving aside the question of whether the behavior he chose to bring up is immoral (something I don't expect aflietch or jmfcst to ever convince the other of their position on this particular subject), neither it nor any other immoral behavior (taking morality as covering only interpersonal interactions and not relations with the divine) was being mentioned in this thread until jmfcst chose to bring it up.  The original post in this thread would not need to have a single jot or tittle changed in it if afleitch and jmfcst were in complete agreement over the code of conduct that humans should follow.

That said, I don't agree with afleitch's conclusion that a rejection of deistic supremacy is logically sufficient to support an embrace of atheism.  I think both he and that street preacher he mentioned missed the point by focusing too much on God the King, and not enough on God the Father.

Without having to rely upon any scripture, one can make some basic inferences about the nature of a benevolent deity.  Such a being would have considerably more experience than any human could possibly hope to have, experience he could use to fashion a code of conduct that it would be to our benefit to follow, and which if he is benevolent would desire to make known to humanity in a fashion that humanity can comprehend.  Yet, just as sometimes a parent needs to tell his child "No" because the child is not capable of comprehending the reason why doing something is a really bad idea, it is not unreasonable that a benevolent deity might have to at times resort to such a method.
16746  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of the preceeding poster's signature thread on: June 15, 2010, 12:14:33 am
A banner signature, but one that will never surpass the indomitable spirit of the North Korean people, who thanks to the Juche philosophy of the Great Leader Kim Il-sung and the magnificent guidance of the Dear Leader Kim Jong-il, are the happiest people on Earth.
16747  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / Re: Einzige Vs. Songun Blog on: June 15, 2010, 12:00:21 am
Incidentally I like what Google offers as suggestions for Songun Blog:

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16748  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Should the Jones Act be temporarily lifted? on: June 14, 2010, 11:52:54 pm
To what purpose?  It was suspended after Katrina because it had made such a shambles of pipelines that we needed to augment our coastal shipping until the pipelines could be repaired.  As bad as the Deepwater Horizon disaster has been, it hasn't significantly affected transportation.
16749  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / Re: Einzige Vs. Songun Blog on: June 14, 2010, 11:44:38 pm
Dang,  Songunblog was the only subscription I had on YouTube.
16750  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: The Curious Case of Alvin Greene on: June 14, 2010, 11:32:18 pm
This story is sad.  It's amazing to me how all the dems are trying to question this guys background as if he isn't good enough to be on their ticket.  It's pretty close to racist with some of the questions in the media like where did this black man get his money?  He's a republican plant. etc.

No one seemed to be asking these questions when dems were electing another certain black man who came from nowhere and had an even shadier background than Greene.

Congratulations!

Your post was so hackishly anti-Obama, you've earned a rare honor, a spot on my personal ignore list.
Uh since youre ignoring me you probably wont read this but Ive been on here for months, and if you didnt know I was spectacularly anti-Obama until now, I think youve been living under a giant rock.  Whether its hackish or not, what about what I wrote isn't true? 

Greene lives with his mom and Obama is a Harvard/Columbia graduate...Obama actually has charisma...

Magic, unlike some people who post here, I don't read every post of every thread.  I make liberal use of the Mark as Read button.  In any case, it isn't the fact that you're anti-Obama that caused me to put you on ignore.  It was that your post was so separated from anything approaching reality that caused me to do so.  It was the same level of hackishness if someone from the Democratic side claimed that Bush 41 was stranger than Rand Paul.
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