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16726  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: SC embarrasses itself again GOP State Senator calls Obama and Haley raghead on: June 07, 2010, 09:42:43 pm
Now one may certainly not agree that a "good Christian" should be governor (Wonder if he considers Sanford a "good Christian" after what he did.) but being dishonest about one's religion like that is a somewhat valid point.

I doubt Knotts thinks Sanford is a good anything.  They loathe each other politically, and the ruckus Knotts raised when Sanford went incommunicado was a major factor in exposing that Sanford had been hiking on the Argentinian Trail, tho I don't think Knotts knew that was where Sanford had gone.
16727  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Saudi Clerics Call For Adult Breast-Feeding on: June 07, 2010, 09:21:07 pm
How does this make them a relative? I'm sure there are plenty of men out there who have done this with their spouse, does that mean that they are having sexual relations with a relative if they engage in actual sex?

It's well established in Islamic doctrine that breastfeeding creates a bond between the two.  What different schools of Islamic thought differ on is how many feedings it takes (some say one is sufficient, but others say five or ten), whether it can be created after the the breastfeeder reaches a certain age (generally the rule is the breastfeeding must be done before the age of two -  Islamic thought says that a infant younger than two has a right to breastfeed if he or she desires and should not be forcibly weaned before then) and to what degree it makes relatives of the pair mahram to each other.

However, even if one accepts the doctrine of these clerics, that doesn't mean that women can breastfeed adult men.  They'd have to express some breast milk (or get a female relative to do it) and then offer it to the man in question.  The bond created by milk allows for some loosening of the rules on male-female interaction, but not that loose.

So there's nothing kinky here unless drinking human milk from a glass is a fetish of yours.
16728  Election Archive / 2010 House Election Polls / Re: SC-4: PPP releases poll that basically confirms the interal poll released earlie on: June 07, 2010, 06:53:08 pm
True, but it's not as if the question couldn't have been asked anyway.
16729  Election Archive / 2010 Gubernatorial Election Polls / Re: PPP: Haley staying strong; Bauer collapses on: June 07, 2010, 04:30:40 pm
I'm going to be moving to North Augusta, SC in September, soo.. I might get to vote for Haley come November! Smiley

Or you could move to a place on the other side of the Savannah if you haven't already picked out a specific place to live. :p
16730  General Discussion / History / Re: The Civil War on: June 07, 2010, 12:04:04 pm
That would be up to the seceded state? Would Germany have the right to evict us from our bases?

Does Cuba have the right to evict us from Guantanamo?  No, the U.S. and Cuba signed a lease, and as long we maintain our end of it, the U.S. cannot be evicted.

The whole reason we had a crisis at Fort Sumter is that Governor Pickens was a greedy idiot.

Major Anderson and his troops were originally in Fort Moultrie.  Governor Pickens rather than occupy Fort Sumter when South Carolina seceded, let the workmen who were constructing Fort Sumter using Federal funds stay on the job.  It was only when Anderson moved his command from Moultrie, which was in no condition to be defended against a land attack, to Sumter that Pickens suddenly thought that the Federal government should have nothing to do with Sumter.  If Pickens had simply bothered to move a militia company into Sumter and evict the Federal workmen, there would have been no crisis over Fort Sumter.
16731  Election Archive / 2010 House Election Polls / SC-4: PPP releases poll that basically confirms the interal poll released earlie on: June 07, 2010, 08:25:47 am
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_SC_606.pdf  (pages 23-28 of the PDF)

Along with the Gubernatorial poll that takes up the first 22 pages, PPP did a subsample of 300 4th District voters

Gowdy ............................................................ 37%
Inglis ............................................................... 33%
Jeffrey............................................................. 5%
Lee.................................................................. 9%
Thomas........................................................... 9%
Undecided....................................................... 7%

They didn't ask about a runoff as Ayres, McHenry & Associates did, but their first round results are essentially the same within the MoE.
16732  Election Archive / 2010 Gubernatorial Election Polls / Re: PPP: Haley staying strong; Bauer collapses on: June 07, 2010, 08:18:29 am
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_SC_606.pdf

While the Governor's race gets the headlines, PPP did poll some of the other races as well.

Treasurer:
Loftis: 40%
Chellis: 29%
undecided: 31%

Haley-Barrett runoff
Haley: 51%
Barrett: 35%

Haley-McMaster runoff
Haley: 54%
Barrett: 35%

Haley-Bauer runoff
Haley: 62%
Bauer: 26%
16733  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: SC embarrasses itself again GOP State Senator calls Obama and Haley raghead on: June 06, 2010, 10:17:46 pm
Update

{link - The State)

In a move that should surprise no one, the Lexington County Republican Party condemned Knotts on Saturday.  (His Senate District is entirely within Lexington County.)  He wasn't a favorite of the apparatchiks that control it in the first place.  Shealy, the ex-county party chairwoman who he narrowly beat in the 2008 primary has vowed to run against him in 2012, but she likely was planning on running in 2012 anyway.  In any case, with redistricting between now and then, she might not be able to run against him.
16734  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Is this billboard offensive? on: June 06, 2010, 08:31:37 pm
The billboard in the top post reminds me of a TV ad campaign for the "best strip joint in town" we had around here.  It featured a scantily-clad woman touting a local auto salvage yard where you can "strip" used parts from the hulks.
16735  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: U.S. State Mottos on: June 06, 2010, 07:33:15 pm
Michigan
16736  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: 6/8 Primaries - AR runoff, CA, IA, ME, MT, NV, NJ, ND, SC, SD, VA on: June 06, 2010, 02:19:18 pm
Link to the SC vote results as the State Election Commission releases them.

http://www.enr-scvotes.org/SC/16117/index.html
16737  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Most ineffective state parties on: June 06, 2010, 02:14:27 pm
South Carolina Democratic Party

All too often, they don't even go through the motions.

2006 could have been a competitive year in both the Governor and Lt. Governor's races and they didn't seem to even try.

Didn't Bauer come within a few thousand votes of losing?

Yes, despite Barber and the party not really doing anything. And Moore was practically invisible in the governor's race once he won the nomination.  Had the Dems actually tried, both the Governor and Lt. Governor could have been Democrats this past cycle and we wouldn't have had to put up with the Appalachian Trail.  Of course, as incumbents, Moore and Barber would be facing some stiff headwinds this year and been likely to lose the general election this fall.
16738  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Most ineffective state parties on: June 06, 2010, 11:45:25 am
South Carolina Democratic Party

All too often, they don't even go through the motions.

2006 could have been a competitive year in both the Governor and Lt. Governor's races and they didn't seem to even try.
16739  General Discussion / History / Re: The Civil War on: June 06, 2010, 10:57:21 am
PGT Beuraguard did not fire on Fort Sumpter to keep slaves, and Lincoln did not call for 75,000 troops to free slaves, he did it to put down the rebellion. Why dont you try again.

He didn't fire on Fort Sumpter at all, he fired on Fort Sumter, despite how the New York Times consistently misspelled the name during the crisis.  Calling it Fort Sumpter always strikes me as an attempt at faux authenticity.
16740  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What should I do on June 8? on: June 05, 2010, 06:50:48 pm
There may be a law that says you have to vote in the Republican primary if you want to vote in the Republican runoff. Something to consider if you're wanting to do that later on.

The law is that in order to vote in a party runoff, you must not have voted in the primary of a different party.  It is legal to vote in neither primary and then vote in either runoff.

If the polls are to be trusted, Sheheen should win, but may face a runoff.
16741  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: Southeast Legislature on: June 05, 2010, 06:39:56 pm
I apologize for the delay in taking the oath after the special election.  Had time to check up on part of the Forum, but not all of it.
16742  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Swearing in of New Officeholders on: June 05, 2010, 06:36:42 pm
I, True Federalist, do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of Southeast Legislator and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the Southeast, so help me Dave.
16743  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: SC embarrasses itself again GOP State Senator calls Obama and Haley raghead on: June 04, 2010, 03:53:07 pm
I hope he promptly gets voted out of office. Unfortunately he'll probably get a pat on the back for being anti-big government and someone not afraid to stand up Obama's NKVD.

I'll admit that's hyperbole, but when it comes to a state senator making racist comments us colored folk tend to get a bit riled up. Wink

Knotts won't be up for reelection until 2012, along with the rest of the State Senate.  He'll be 67 by the time of the next campaign season, and might decide to retire, especially if Nikki and the tea partiers do well this cycle.  Sanford tried to get him primaried back in 2008, with Katrina Shealy doing well enough to force him into a runoff which he won.  He'd be likely to get targeted by a Gov. Haley, even without this gaffe.  Heck, we could see Haley go up against Knotts in 2012 if she doesn't make it to the Governor's Mansion.
16744  General Discussion / Alternative History / Re: Would the U.S. have entered WWII on: June 04, 2010, 03:28:05 pm
A lot depends on why there was no Pearl Harbor  Was it because the U.S. did not embargo oil after the Japanese takeover of French Indochina or was it because the Japanese chose a different course of action?
16745  General Discussion / Alternative History / Re: Was there any way for the Nazis to have won? on: June 04, 2010, 02:12:06 pm
One off-topic post has been split off into a separate thread, History is written by the winners which can be found on the History board.
16746  General Discussion / History / Re: Was Truman Right To Fire MacArthur? on: June 04, 2010, 01:54:15 pm
The point im making is we have different rank structures than germany, there not called field marshalls.

And as I pointed out, the Philippine Army does have the rank of Field Marshall, which MacArthur held from August 24, 1936. On July 26, 1941, when FDR federalized the Philippine Army, he also recalled MacArthur to active duty in the U.S. Army at his U.S. retired rank of Major General.  However, MacArthur continued to wear what he called his "Philippine field marshal's cap" which added some extra gold trim above the visor to a regulation U.S. Army general's cap until Truman fired him.

It's bad enough you didn't bother check the facts the first time in order to make your snide comment, but you didn't bother to take note of why your comment was incorrect after it had been pointed out.
16747  General Discussion / History / Re: The Civil War on: June 04, 2010, 01:33:08 pm
Since this thread was generating enough discussion on one aspect of the Civil War, I used my moderator magic to split it off into a separate thread: The Value of Stonewall Jackson in the Civil War.
16748  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: 6/8 Primaries - AR runoff, CA, IA, ME, MT, NV, NJ, ND, SC, SD, VA on: June 03, 2010, 04:00:15 pm

Anything else to watch?

South Carolina
- Lieutenant Governor - Result in the GOP primary will be a runoff between any two of Ard, Connor, and Richter.  Kitzman hasn't been able to raise enough to run a competitive campaign.

Insider Advantage polled this race along with the Governor's races and got:
Lt. Gov. (R)
Richter 16.4%
Ard 13.7%
Connor 11.3%
Kitzman 5.1%
no opinion: 53.6%

- Attorney General - Another race likely to head to a runoff, as all three GOP candidates, Bolchoz, Lord, and Wilson, are reasonably well-funded.

- Treasurer - Only two GOP candidates, so no runoff, but the contest between Chellis and Curtis is arguably a nastier and dirtier one than anything involving Haley.

- Comptroller General - Eckstrom should easily beat Meilinger for renomination, but could get caught in the backwash from Haley-gate.  (A few months ago, the same Will Folks of Haley-gate fame released emails between Eckstrom and Superintendent candidate Kelly Payne indicating a romantic relationship. Eckstrom was separated from his wife at the time, and Payne is divorced, so it's a stretch to call it an affair.)

-Superintendent of Education -  Zais has had the most visible campaign, and I'd be surprised if he doesn't at least make the runoff in this six candidate GOP race.  If I had to guess, his likely runoff opponent will be Nelsen, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Payne make the runoff.  There's also a Democratic primary that's attracted little notice, and which I expect Holleman to win.
16749  Election Archive / 2010 Gubernatorial Election Polls / Re: SC-InsiderAdvantage: Haley still up by 10 in GOP Primary on: June 03, 2010, 10:31:18 am
Looking at the crosstabs, the most striking result was among Hispanics intending to vote in the Democratic primary.

Ford: 49.1%
Sheheen: 30.5%
Rex: 0.0%
No opinion: 20.4%

A very small subsample of only 44 respondents, but still!


There's also polling data on the Republican Lt. Gov race

Lt. Gov. (R)
Richter 16.4%
Ard 13.7%
Connor 11.3%
Kitzman 5.1%
no opinion: 53.6%

16750  General Discussion / History / Re: Was Truman Right To Fire MacArthur? on: June 02, 2010, 11:31:40 pm
Um we dont have "field marshals" in the U.S Army.
Well if you want to be so technical about it, George Washington (posthumously) and William Pershing held a rank equivalent to "field marshal."

The U.S. rank of General of the Army, is considered equivalent to Field Marshal as well.

We've never had someone on active duty hold the rank of General of the Armies at the same time someone held General of the Army, so it is a matter of debate whether to consider those two ranks equivalent or not, since date in rank would preserve their seniority if they were considered equivalent ranks  While there was a proposal to promote Nimitz and MacArthur to 6-star rank for the invasion of Japan to unambiguously give them seniority over British 5-star officers who would be involved and had gained 5-star rank earlier, Japan's surrender rendered the point moot and it wasn't really needed even if the invasion had been necessary.
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