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16726  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: Signatories of the Declaration of Independence Survivor ROUND 23 on: April 02, 2011, 08:30:39 pm
Eliminate:
3 John Hancock
2 Elbridge Gerry

Keep:
2 Samuel Huntington
1 John Adams
16727  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: Electoral Vote survivor - Gemini Tribe ♊ - ROUND 5 of 5 until merge on: April 02, 2011, 08:24:16 pm
The remaining members of the Gemini tribe are, along with their safety points and the elections in which they won electoral college votes are:

Thomas Bramlette [1 safety point, VP (1872)]
James Buchanan [2 safety points, P (1856)] eliminated ROUND 1
Calvin Coolidge [3 safety points, P (1924), VP (1920)]
William Crawford [2 safety points, P (1824)]
John Edwards [3 safety points, P (2004), VP (2004)] eliminated ROUND 2
Gerald R. Ford [2 safety points, P (1976)] eliminated ROUND 2

Winfield Hancock [5 safety points, P (1880)]
Hiram Johnson [2 safety points, VP (1912)]
Frank Knox [4 safety points, VP (1936)] eliminated ROUND 4
Willie Magnum [2 safety points, P (1836)] eliminated ROUND 1

Charles McNary [1 safety point, VP (1940)]
William Miller [1 safety point, VP (1964)] eliminated ROUND 3
Alton Parker [2 safety points, P (1904)]
Horatio Seymour [3 safety points, P (1868)]
R. Sargent Shriver [6 safety points, VP (1972)]
Allen Thurman [1 safety point, VP (1888)] eliminated ROUND 3
Henry Wilson [2 safety points, VP (1872)] eliminated ROUND 4


Voting:
Cast 10 eliminate votes as you wish between one to four people, save that you cannot give two people the same number of eliminate votes.

Cast 3 keep votes as you wish between one or two people.

Give one person a safety point, but you cannot give a safety point to someone in the same round you give them a keep vote.

This round will be open for at least 24 hours.
16728  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: Electoral Vote survivor - Taurus Tribe ♉ - ROUND 5 of 5 until merge on: April 02, 2011, 08:20:12 pm
The remaining members of the Taurus tribe are, along with their safety points and the elections in which they won electoral college votes are:

Samuel Adams [5 safety points, VP (1796)]
Lloyd Bentsen [6 safety points, P (1988), VP (1988)]
Francis Blair, Jr. [1 safety point, VP (1868)] eliminated ROUND 2
John Frémont [2 safety points, P (1856)] eliminated ROUND 3
Elbridge Gerry [1 safety point, VP (1812)] eliminated ROUND 4

William Groesbeck [1 safety point, VP (1872)]
Joseph Lane [1 safety point, VP (1860)] eliminated ROUND 2
Henry Cabot Lodge [3 safety points, VP (1960)]
Nathaniel Macon [3 safety points, VP (1824)] eliminated ROUND 3
Thomas Marshall [2 safety points, VP (1912, 1916)]
Thomas Pinckney [4 safety points, VP (1796)] eliminated ROUND 4
James K. Polk [3 safety points, P (1844)] eliminated ROUND 1

Whitelaw Reid [3 safety points, VP (1892)]
Joseph Robinson [4 safety points, VP (1928)]
William Taft [4 safety points, P (1908, 1912)]
Herman Talmadge [1 safety point, VP (1956)] eliminated ROUND 1
Daniel Tompkins [2 safety points, VP (1816, 1820)]

Voting:
Cast 10 eliminate votes as you wish between one to four people, save that you cannot give two people the same number of eliminate votes.

Cast 3 keep votes as you wish between one or two people.

Give one person a safety point, but you cannot give a safety point to someone in the same round you give them a keep vote.

This round will be open for at least 24 hours.
16729  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: Electoral Vote survivor - Aries Tribe ♈ - ROUND 5 of 5 until merge on: April 02, 2011, 08:16:31 pm
The remaining members of the Aries tribe are, along with their safety points and the elections in which they won electoral college votes are:

John C. Calhoun [2 safety points, VP (1824, 1828)] eliminated ROUND 2
Alfred Colquitt [1 safety point, VP (1872)] eliminated ROUND 3

Henry Davis [6 safety points, VP (1904)]
Amos Ellmaker [1 safety point, VP (1832)] eliminated ROUND 4
Charles Fairbanks [5 safety points, VP (1904, 1916)]
James Garfield [3 safety points, P (1880)]
John Nance Garner [2 safety points, VP (1932, 1936)]
Thomas Hendricks [4 safety points, P (1872), VP (1876, 1884)]
James Iredell [3 safety points, VP (1796)]
John Langdon [1 safety point, VP (1808)]
Curtis LeMay [1 safety point, VP (1968)] eliminated ROUND 1
Willis Machen [1 safety point, VP (1872)] eliminated ROUND 2
Franklin Pierce [2 safety points, P (1852)] eliminated ROUND 1

Alfred Smith [2 safety points, P (1928)]
John Sparkman [3 safety points, VP (1952)] eliminated ROUND 4
Martin Van Buren [8 safety points, P (1836, 1840), VP (1824, 1832)] eliminated ROUND 3

James Weaver [7 safety points, P (1892)]

Voting:
Cast 10 eliminate votes as you wish between one to four people, save that you cannot give two people the same number of eliminate votes.

Cast 3 keep votes as you wish between one or two people.

Give one person a safety point, but you cannot give a safety point to someone in the same round you give them a keep vote.

This round will be open for at least 24 hours.
16730  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: Electoral Vote survivor - Gemini Tribe ♊ - ROUND 4 of 5 until merge on: April 02, 2011, 08:13:40 pm
Votes:
1 Johnson E(10) K(3+3+3)
17 Knox E(10+10) K(3)
10 Wilson E(10)

Safety:
2 Hancock
2 Shriver

Results:
Voters were especially certain of what they wanted in this round, with none choosing to split either their eliminate votes or their keep votes among multiple choices.

With 17 votes, Secretary of the Navy Frank Knox has had his chances of winning sunk by your lack of enthusiasm for him.  A newspaperman and former Rough Rider who was an advocate of military preparedness, he was tapped by FDR to be his Secretary of the Navy in 1940 to ensure bipartisan support for his preparations for World War II.

It is fitting that Vice President Henry Wilson was brought low by a Southern Atlasian.  This ardent Massachusetts Free Soiler is also known as the author of his three volume History of the Rise and Fall of the Slave Power in America.
16731  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: Electoral Vote survivor - Taurus Tribe ♉ - ROUND 4 of 5 until merge on: April 02, 2011, 08:12:13 pm
Votes:
13 Gerry E(10+4+2) K(3)
11 Pinckney E(7+6) K(2)
5 Taft E(3+8) K(3+3)

Safety:
1 Adams
1 Bentsen
1 Pinckney
1 Reid

Results:
Yet another voting irregularity involving a Pinckney, as one ballot has 2 keep votes for Thomas Pinckney and the third going unused.  Even if it had been used for him, it wouldn't have affected the results of this round.

The original gerrymanderer, Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, is your first choice for elimination.  Our 5th Vice President was the first who did not attempt to run for President.  He barely lived long enough to have his name immortalize for all time.

Thomas Pinckney, the man who would have been our 2nd Vice President were it not for the machinations of Alexander Hamilton, is one-half of the only pair of brothers in this contest.  his brother, Charles Coatsworth Pinckney is part of the Libra tribe and might get the chance to avenge his brother.
16732  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: Electoral Vote survivor - Aries Tribe ♈ - ROUND 4 of 5 until merge on: April 02, 2011, 08:11:00 pm
Votes:
16 Ellmaker E(4+6+8) K(2)
-1 Hendricks K(2)
6 Iredell E(4+2)
-2 Smith E(4) K(3+3)
12 Sparkman E(6+6)
-3 Weaver K(3)

Safety:
1 Davis
2 Fairbanks
1 Iredell

Results:
Voters in this round decided to be quite peaceable and not make any ell. Amos Ellmaker, the Anti-Masonic Vice Presidential candidate in 1832 is eliminated first.  His Congressional record is curious.  Elected to the 16th Congress from the 3rd district of Pennsylvania, he never took his seat, choosing to accept a State judgeship instead before the 1st session of the 16th Congress.  Then in 1834, he came second to James Buchanan for a Senate seat from Pennsylvania.  I think there's a what-if lurking there.  What isn't lurking are images of Amos Ellmaker.  Wikipedia doesn't have one.  Another site tried to foist off a picture of Richard Rush as Amos.  I was able to find two pictures that almost certainly are of an Amos Ellmaker, but I'm not certain that it is this Amos Ellmaker.

Senator John Sparkman of Alabama is your second choice to be eliminated.  The running mate of Adlai Stevenson II in 1952, he received not even one delegate's vote when, in an experiment not repeated since, Stevenson threw the choice of a running mate to the convention.


16733  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: Western Europe political parties suvrivor (Phase I) - Group 2, Round 1 on: April 02, 2011, 09:24:41 am
Socialistische Partij Anders (Belgium)
16734  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: Western Europe political parties suvrivor (Phase I) - Group 4, Round 1 on: April 02, 2011, 09:21:09 am
European Party (Cyprus)
16735  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: Western Europe political parties suvrivor (Phase I) - Group 6, Round 1 on: April 02, 2011, 09:18:30 am
British National Party
16736  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: Western Europe political parties suvrivor (Phase I) - Group 5, Round 1 on: April 02, 2011, 09:17:13 am
he People of Freedom (Italy)
16737  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: Western Europe political parties suvrivor (Phase I) - Group 1, Round 1 on: April 02, 2011, 09:15:12 am
Coalition of the Radical Left (Greece)
16738  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: Western Europe political parties suvrivor (Phase I) - Group 3, Round 1 on: April 02, 2011, 09:12:23 am
Green Party of England and Wales
16739  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: If NASA finds out ... on: April 01, 2011, 08:10:16 pm
Head for the tropics, I suppose.  After you get some and then go to confession of course.  I'd think the dust thrown up would create an albedo effect, so you'd better off at small latitudes.  Bring some canned goods and that stuff that purifies the water and makes your Raman noodles blue.  Maybe a handgun.

You'd definitely want to head well away from any coastline if you intend to attempt survival.  More than likely any and all coastlines would be well and truly f-ed if there is a water impact.
16740  General Politics / Economics / Re: The results of Obamanomics on: April 01, 2011, 04:03:01 pm
Also, you have suggested NOTHING about securing the border other than criticisms of each and every effort in that area.  So, please provide your example of border security you supposedly support.

To begin with, your emphasis is in the wrong place CARL.  If we're going to get control of the borders, our primary focus needs to be not on fences and the like, but on dealing with the reasons why people want to cross the border illegally in the first place.

1. Employment
An expanded and improved E-Verify system along with an improved passport-quality Social Security Card.  While the government had liked to pretend that Social Security Cards and Numbers aren't to be used for purposes of identification, that ship has long past sailed from port.  That'll help deal with the cheats, but we also need to considerably expand legal immigration, both permanent and temporary.  For instance, I'd like to see the number of professions and people for which a TN visa can be obtained considerably increased.  For example, the Teamsters wouldn't like it, but a TN visa for Mexican or Canadian truck drivers that meet the standards required to obtain a CDL would be fine with me.

2. Drugs
My concern here isn't what happens at the borders, but if we had a rational drug policy, we'd eliminate a lot of the demand for smuggling.  To be clear, marijuana, opiates, and cocaine should be legalized for adult usage just as alcohol and tobacco.  The common denominator for all five drugs is that they originate as agricultural products and require more draconian laws than any free society is willing to impose in order to control by use of law enforcement.  Hence, other means of addressing the problems caused by those drugs are more effective.

Legalizing them deprives organized crime in this country of one of its more lucrative sources of income, and deprives overseas groups we oppose such as the FARC and the Taliban of that source of funds as well.  The effect on the borders of reduced smuggling is secondary.

Another side benefit of cocaine legalization is that it should lead to reduced demand for methamphetamine as well, since the two are similar in their effects (but not entirely the same).

Will what I propose deal with every problem the border has?  Of course not, I don't offer utopian dreams.  There are still persons and items we'll want to keep from crossing the border, but by offering a legal avenue for those it makes no sense to attempt to keep from crossing, we can more easily deal with the residue we don't want.
16741  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Should we have border security? on: April 01, 2011, 03:12:03 pm
As will become evident in the coming month, Jeffery Bell LIED!

You believe the most pathetic lies, as long as they come from Obama administration officials.

If you're going to rant, could you at least rant coherently?  I don't know who this Jeffery Bell is, nor did a quick google find anyone relevant.  As for Jeffrey Self (the article you linked to misspelled his name, which I discovered while googling to find out who he is in more detail) who I presume is who you meant to refer to, he's a 21-year veteran of the Border Patrol and while definitely a bureaucrat who had spent six years in Washington before being tapped late last year to head up the newly-formed Joint Field Command, he's not an Obama political appointee, but still in the civil service.

(link - Arizona Daily Star article about him taking command of the JFC which gives some good background info on Jeffrey Self.)
16742  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: Longest Ruling Non-Royal Leaders Survivor - Round 12 on: April 01, 2011, 01:01:53 pm
3 - Lee Kuan Yew
2 - Paul Biya
1 - János Kádár
16743  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: English/British Monarchs Survivor (1066-present) - ROUND 24 - TOP 3 on: April 01, 2011, 01:01:08 pm
Victoria
16744  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: Electoral Vote survivor - Gemini Tribe ♊ - ROUND 4 of 5 until merge on: April 01, 2011, 12:59:07 pm
The remaining members of the Gemini tribe are, along with their safety points and the elections in which they won electoral college votes are:

Thomas Bramlette [1 safety point, VP (1872)]
James Buchanan [2 safety points, P (1856)] eliminated ROUND 1
Calvin Coolidge [3 safety points, P (1924), VP (1920)]
William Crawford [2 safety points, P (1824)]
John Edwards [3 safety points, P (2004), VP (2004)] eliminated ROUND 2
Gerald R. Ford [2 safety points, P (1976)] eliminated ROUND 2

Winfield Hancock [3 safety points, P (1880)]
Hiram Johnson [2 safety points, VP (1912)]
Frank Knox [4 safety points, VP (1936)]
Willie Magnum [2 safety points, P (1836)] eliminated ROUND 1
Charles McNary [1 safety point, VP (1940)]
William Miller [1 safety point, VP (1964)] eliminated ROUND 3
Alton Parker [2 safety points, P (1904)]
Horatio Seymour [3 safety points, P (1868)]
R. Sargent Shriver [4 safety points, VP (1972)]
Allen Thurman [1 safety point, VP (1888)] eliminated ROUND 3
Henry Wilson [2 safety points, VP (1872)]

Voting:
Cast 10 eliminate votes as you wish between one to four people, save that you cannot give two people the same number of eliminate votes.

Cast 3 keep votes as you wish between one or two people.

Give one person a safety point, but you cannot give a safety point to someone in the same round you give them a keep vote.

This round will be open for at least 24 hours.

EDIT: Updated to include safety points received in ROUND 3
16745  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: Electoral Vote survivor - Taurus Tribe ♉ - ROUND 4 of 5 until merge on: April 01, 2011, 12:56:35 pm
The remaining members of the Taurus tribe are, along with their safety points and the elections in which they won electoral college votes are:

Samuel Adams [4 safety points, VP (1796)]
Lloyd Bentsen [5 safety points, P (1988), VP (1988)] no longer immune
Francis Blair, Jr. [1 safety point, VP (1868)] eliminated ROUND 2
John Frémont [2 safety points, P (1856)] eliminated ROUND 3

Elbridge Gerry [1 safety point, VP (1812)]
William Groesbeck [1 safety point, VP (1872)]
Joseph Lane [1 safety point, VP (1860)] eliminated ROUND 2
Henry Cabot Lodge [3 safety points, VP (1960)]
Nathaniel Macon [3 safety points, VP (1824)] eliminated ROUND 3
Thomas Marshall [2 safety points, VP (1912, 1916)]
Thomas Pinckney [3 safety points, VP (1796)]
James K. Polk [3 safety points, P (1844)] eliminated ROUND 1
Whitelaw Reid [2 safety point, VP (1892)]
Joseph Robinson [4 safety points, VP (1928)]
William Taft [4 safety points, P (1908, 1912)]
Herman Talmadge [1 safety point, VP (1956)] eliminated ROUND 1
Daniel Tompkins [2 safety points, VP (1816, 1820)]

Voting:
Cast 10 eliminate votes as you wish between one to four people, save that you cannot give two people the same number of eliminate votes.

Cast 3 keep votes as you wish between one or two people.

Give one person a safety point, but you cannot give a safety point to someone in the same round you give them a keep vote.

This round will be open for at least 24 hours.
16746  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: Electoral Vote survivor - Gemini Tribe ♊ - ROUND 3 of 5 until merge on: April 01, 2011, 12:56:02 pm
Votes:
7
BramletteE(10) K(3)
-1
HancockK(1)
0
JohnsonE(6) K(3+3)
3
KnoxE(8) K(2+3)
8
MillerE(8)
7
ParkerE(7)
11
ThurmanE(4+2+2+3)

Safety:
1 Johnson
3 Shriver
1 Wilson

Results:
With 11 votes, Allen Thurman, the only one of Grover Cleveland's three running mates to not be elected Vice President, despite winning the popular vote in 1888, is eliminated first.
With 8 votes, William E. Miller, the only Catholic ever nominated by the GOP to be on its national ticket, is eliminated second.  Apparently you have decided that you don't want to know him.  At least he has an American Express card.  Don't leave the island without one.
16747  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: Electoral Vote survivor - Aries Tribe ♈ - ROUND 4 of 5 until merge on: April 01, 2011, 12:52:41 pm
The remaining members of the Aries tribe are, along with their safety points and the elections in which they won electoral college votes are:

John C. Calhoun [2 safety points, VP (1824, 1828)] eliminated ROUND 2
Alfred Colquitt [1 safety point, VP (1872)] eliminated ROUND 3

Henry Davis [5 safety points, VP (1904)]
Amos Ellmaker [1 safety point, VP (1832)]
Charles Fairbanks [3 safety points, VP (1904, 1916)]
James Garfield [3 safety points, P (1880)]
John Nance Garner [2 safety points, VP (1932, 1936)]
Thomas Hendricks [4 safety points, P (1872), VP (1876, 1884)]
James Iredell [2 safety points, VP (1796)]
John Langdon [1 safety point, VP (1808)]
Curtis LeMay [1 safety point, VP (1968)] eliminated ROUND 1
Willis Machen [1 safety point, VP (1872)] eliminated ROUND 2
Franklin Pierce [2 safety points, P (1852)] eliminated ROUND 1

Alfred Smith [2 safety points, P (1928)]
John Sparkman [3 safety points, VP (1952)]
Martin Van Buren [8 safety points, P (1836, 1840), VP (1824, 1832)] eliminated ROUND 3
James Weaver [7 safety points, P (1892)]

Voting:
Cast 10 eliminate votes as you wish between one to four people, save that you cannot give two people the same number of eliminate votes.

Cast 3 keep votes as you wish between one or two people.

Give one person a safety point, but you cannot give a safety point to someone in the same round you give them a keep vote.

This round will be open for at least 24 hours.
16748  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: Electoral Vote survivor - Taurus Tribe ♉ - ROUND 3 of 5 until merge on: April 01, 2011, 12:52:13 pm
Votes:
10
Frémont E(10+4) K(1+3)
0
Gerry E(2) K(2)
3
GroesbeckE(3)
8
MaconE(9) K(1)
3
PinckneyE(2+3) K(2)
6
TaftE(4+8) K(3+3)
1
TompkinsE(1)

Safety:
1 Lodge
1 Pinckney
1 Reid
2 Robinson

Results:
First off, since there is a Charles Pinckney in this competition, but not in this tribe, I chose to discard the 6 votes that were cast for Charles Pinckney as invalid rather than as a vote for Thomas Pickney.  Had they been cast for just Pinckney, they would have counted as there is just one Pinckney in this tribe.
With 10 votes, the Pathfinder, John C. Frémont has at last found the way out of this tribe, being the first to be eliminated this round.

While there were a total of 9 votes totaled for Pinckneys in this round, only 3 of them were cast for the Pinckney actually in this tribe, so Thomas is safe for this round.
With 8 votes, Nathaniel Macon of North Carolina is the second eliminatee this round.  He was the choice of Virginia's electors to be VP in 1824, but the voters here apparently thought he was a ham.
16749  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: Electoral Vote survivor - Aries Tribe ♈ - ROUND 3 of 5 until merge on: April 01, 2011, 12:48:22 pm
Votes:
16
ColquittE(8+3+8) K(2+1)
6
EllmakerE(2+2+2)
-1
Iredell E(2) K(3)
1
SmithE(5) K(2+2)
6
SparkmanE(3+5) K(2)
7
Van Buren E (10) K(1+1+1)

Safety:
3 Davis
1 Fairbanks
1 Weaver

Results:
With a decisive 16 votes, Alfred Colquitt is the first of the two to go in this round. This Georgian general is another of those who received electoral votes in 1872 in the wake of Horace Greeley's untimely death.
With 7 votes, just one more than his two closest competitors, Martin "Gold Spoon" Van Buren, one of the few people to receive electoral votes in three different decades, has been eliminated.
16750  General Politics / Economics / Re: The results of Obamanomics on: April 01, 2011, 09:35:21 am
CARL, you seem to think that anyone who thinks that Obama isn't to blame for everything must believe he is blameless, just as you believe that anyone who doesn't agree with your opinions on how best to secure the border must believe that the border should be unguarded.  You express a point of view that is very black and white with no shades of gray and in which you are the defender of a small pinprick of white in a vast sea of black.
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