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1  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Solving Long Term Unemployment Act (Debating) on: Today at 12:49:44 pm
Aye
2  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Regulatory Review Thread (Voting) on: Today at 12:47:54 pm
Nay

(Can I suggest Nix withdraws the suggestions and then we can just let this die and repeal it as soon as practicable?)
3  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Taft-Hartley Reinstatement Act (Debating) on: Today at 12:45:01 pm
Are you aware that section 2 is blatantly unconstitutional, JCL?

Show me where the Atlasian constitution would forbid section 2. Unions don't have the right to force an individual to publicly reveal how they voted in a election to decide wether or not to bring a union into a company.
"is hereby banned and can never be brought up for reinstatement" being the relevant part.


It is not unconstitutional, it will have the force of law up and until a future Senate repeals it. Tongue It is not unconstitutional, it is hollow though.

Getting my constitutions mixed up Tongue It would be unconstitutional in Britain.
4  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Taft-Hartley Reinstatement Act (Debating) on: October 23, 2014, 01:18:33 pm
Are you aware that section 2 is blatantly unconstitutional, JCL?

Show me where the Atlasian constitution would forbid section 2. Unions don't have the right to force an individual to publicly reveal how they voted in a election to decide wether or not to bring a union into a company.
"is hereby banned and can never be brought up for reinstatement" being the relevant part.
5  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Northeast Senate Election Candidates forum on: October 23, 2014, 01:16:41 pm
I intend to introduce and pass a constitutional amendment that would outlaw incest in the entire country as soon as I am sworn in as Senator.

Well, you would say that, wouldn't you?

Not only is taking the right to produce marriage legislation away from the regions a bad idea anyway (I may disagree strongly with the bill, but no one can doubt it has provoked a lot of activity in the region), it will also never pass the senate or the regions. That amendment which you claim you would introduce would never, ever, pass- and the pro incest lobby that you allege that you're not a part of knows this.

Now, obviously I would never say that you're a pro incest plant, but it would be very convenient for the incest cause if a senate bill that could never pass was introduced, as it would naturally suck the energy out of regional efforts, which could actually pass.

6  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Taft-Hartley Reinstatement Act (Debating) on: October 23, 2014, 07:55:32 am
Are you aware that section 2 is blatantly unconstitutional, JCL?
7  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Lief for Senate Campaign Committee on: October 23, 2014, 07:51:51 am
Speaking as a northeast citizen, I have to say it's concerning that the so called anti incest lief has failed to respond to allegations that he is in fact a tool of the pro incest lobby.
8  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Farming Freedom Act (Debating) on: October 22, 2014, 09:05:17 am
Section 2 subsection 2 is crazy.

If taken literally it would mean that the government couldn't enforce a regulation ensuring that food was actually safe to eat.
9  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK General Election 2015 on: October 21, 2014, 05:27:29 pm
There's a big difference in lib dem voters between regions. Lib Dem voters in, say, cornwall are very different socially and politically from Lib Dem voters in, say, Sheffield Hallam.
10  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: FC Chess Tournament 5 on: October 21, 2014, 07:28:06 am
I'm not able to work out how to link to it, but homely and X's game has started.
11  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Tax the Bastards Act of 2014 (Debating) on: October 20, 2014, 06:07:21 pm
Nay
12  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Amendment to the Fair De-Registration Rights Act (Debating) on: October 20, 2014, 12:07:16 pm
I definitely don't think that increasing the time limit entails less work for the RG and I've said as much earlier. It would though provide a serious consequence to people who deregister, where at the moment it's not really that serious.

If there was any evidence that even some people who deregistered were people who were planning to fade into inactivity and never come back then that would be one thing, but I don't think that's ever actually happened. The only people who deregister are those who are going to participate again almost straight away.
Again, what is the downside of people deregistering and returning soon afterward? You previously claimed it overburdens the RG but Fritz has denied that so I see no actual negative impacts of deregisteration.

Now that's just not true.

I said a deregistration system is more work having no such system. I claimed the advantage to abolishing deregistration would be it would lighten the RG's workload.

I claimed the advantage to increasing the time limit is it means the act of deregistering has a consequence, and I never said anything about Fritz's workload here. Now most of us, including fritz agree there should be some consequence to deregistering, the question at the moment before us is whether the current consequence is enough.
13  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: People of the Republic of Atlasia v. Snowstalker on: October 20, 2014, 12:01:43 pm
Guilty
14  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: RIP MattVT, FF on: October 20, 2014, 11:55:28 am
I deeply apologize for all of this. There really has been a lot of real life sh**t going on over literally the past year with the family back in Vermont, and I've tried to stay active and productive in a game I, and everyone else here enjoys. I understand what people are saying: "Well if you can't serve actively in the assembly, then how are you going to serve in the senate?" I'm running for senator to give the voters a choice, and to give them an alternative voice. I greatly respect Senator Bore, but I wanted this election to actually be an election. When I decided to run, it appeared as though the race may be uncontested, (Mr. Lief joined very recently). All I know, is that if Labor goes on the offensive about my track record, or anybody else's, they aren't in any position to defend theirs.

First I'd like to echo Governor Talleyrand in saying that real life is always the priority, I think everyone here accepts that.

Having said that, I also think it's pretty clear that my record is very easy to defend, both here and more generally. I have never ever been inactive in office and during my time in the senate, which seems to make even some of the most active atlasians sluggish I have always been one of the most active senators.

More generally I'm unclear where my record is indefensible.
15  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Northeast Senate Election Candidates forum on: October 20, 2014, 11:49:14 am
Obviously all candidates, including lief, are invited to this debate.

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Let me answer as well the marvelous question from Mr. Sir Nick. First of all, let me say that my opponents seem to be good, honest people. We've all heard the nasty rumors about them (the corruption, the adultery, the allegations that they've diddled themselves in front of staffers, etc.) but I want to state unequivocally that I think those rumors are probably not true.


This post is utterly ridiculous. As an atlas forum member I have obviously never even been close to having sex.

 
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What I will say about them is this: Senator bore should be ashamed that he has done nothing to rebuild the war-torn Northeast or combat the incest problem that is ravaging our families, our communities, and our schools;

I've repeatedly pointed out that I oppose incest and have done everything I can to oppose it (which, as it's a regional matter, isn't much). If the so called champion of the people Lief was really concerned about incest he would drop the campaign for this office, which has as little effect on marriage laws in the northeast as the president of Argentina does, and run instead for either governor or ( a better choice since there are already three candidates for governor) the assembly. That he refuses to do so suggest he himself is actually a tool of the nefarious pro incest lobby, trying to distract the public from were marriage laws are really decided.
16  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: The Atlasian Universal Education Bill (Debating) on: October 19, 2014, 11:22:43 am
I assume nix thinks this would be unconstitutional based on this:

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No Law requiring any action to be taken or to be not taken by a Region shall be passed, except to preserve the rights of the Senate or of the People enumerated under the Constitution.

But that specifically says that the rights of the senate overrule this, and one of those rights is:

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To promote the distribution of Knowledge of Science and useful Arts, by assisting and fostering persons seeking to be educated, to provide education, or to produce educational materials.

Which I think clearly encompasses abolishing tuition fees.

That's a tendentious interpretation of the Science and Useful Arts Clause, but fair enough. I'm less worried about passing an unconstitutional bill than I am about passing one that would have devastating effects on Atlasian public education.



Well, yeah. The point I'm making, and the same point I make every time one of these borderline bills comes up is both constitutional and unconstitutional sides have logically waterproof arguments, which is a sure sign there is a problem with the constitution.
17  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: The Atlasian Universal Education Bill (Debating) on: October 19, 2014, 06:31:16 am
I assume nix thinks this would be unconstitutional based on this:

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No Law requiring any action to be taken or to be not taken by a Region shall be passed, except to preserve the rights of the Senate or of the People enumerated under the Constitution.

But that specifically says that the rights of the senate overrule this, and one of those rights is:

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To promote the distribution of Knowledge of Science and useful Arts, by assisting and fostering persons seeking to be educated, to provide education, or to produce educational materials.

Which I think clearly encompasses abolishing tuition fees.
18  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: The Atlasian Universal Education Bill (Debating) on: October 18, 2014, 06:11:32 pm
I think we've got some problems. We have a mix of public and private institutions, so what powers do we have to abolish tuition fees?

The bill specifies that it applies to public institutions, but that's still a problem. The Senate only has power over the National University System, which was only established two years ago and probably accounts for a negligible share of college students in Atlasia.

We obviously cannot tell the regions that they must abolish tuition at every institution of higher education that they run. In at least a couple of cases, there isn't even much need to for us to do more than the regions are already doing. The Pacific and the Northeast have passed generous tuition assistance policies over the past several years, IIRC.

That doesn't mean that we can't do anything, of course. (See this and this for past examples.)

As in the NE, I wrote the bill that abolished tuition fees as I said. I'd like to see such a policy applied nationally.

We simply do not have the authority to do that.

I'm not entirely sure that we should, but I'm fairly certain that, again due to the way the constitution is written, we do have that authority.
19  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: LGBT Equality in Schooling Act (Debating) on: October 18, 2014, 06:09:52 pm
Nay.

Gay marriage is legal in every region which just isn't true for group marriage.
20  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Official 2014-15 Club Soccer/Football Discussion Thread on: October 18, 2014, 01:21:26 pm
On the contrary, Hibs won 4-0 against Livingston, so football was very much on today.
21  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Farming Freedom Act (Debating) on: October 18, 2014, 01:16:51 pm
The initial point I'd like to make is as of 2017 there will be no subsidies for agriculture from us, due to this law: http://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/The_Let%E2%80%99s_Really_Eliminate_Farm_Subsidies_Act
22  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: LGBT Equality in Schooling Act (Debating) on: October 18, 2014, 01:12:57 pm
TNF'S unfriendly amendment.
23  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Ending Financial Havens for Islamic State (Debating) on: October 18, 2014, 01:12:21 pm
Aye
24  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: The GM Independence Amendment (Debating) on: October 18, 2014, 01:11:57 pm
Aye
25  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Amendment to the Fair De-Registration Rights Act (Debating) on: October 17, 2014, 11:25:22 am
I definitely don't think that increasing the time limit entails less work for the RG and I've said as much earlier. It would though provide a serious consequence to people who deregister, where at the moment it's not really that serious.

If there was any evidence that even some people who deregistered were people who were planning to fade into inactivity and never come back then that would be one thing, but I don't think that's ever actually happened. The only people who deregister are those who are going to participate again almost straight away.
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