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1  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: The Duke-Scott Educating The People Reform (Debating) on: April 16, 2014, 04:38:19 pm
I'm objecting.

If we're going to do this for everyone and thing which is eligible, we'll have a bill longer than war and peace. The most we should do is set the criteria by which textbooks are evaluated.

I believe that was Shua's point. It's certainly the one that I was trying to make. In any case, the 2007 law that pointed already has the subject covered, unless the Senate wants to change that.

I hope so, if it was serious, I was going to introduce my own amendment banning textbooks that use the word decimation in a way that means more than 10% Wink

Also, proposing my own amendment:


Quote from: Amendment 60:? by bore
Section IV - Textbooks
1. Each public school teacher will receive a $1000 grant for the selection of his or her own classroom textbooks. These textbooks may be ordered upon approval of his or her district education board.
2. School boards are forbidden from choosing textbooks that teach creationism or that teach that climate change as anything other than a human-aided and abetted phenomenon or that misquote Edmund Burke, and will be in such cases ineligible to receive the grant described in clause 1 of this section.

2  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: The Duke-Scott Educating The People Reform (Debating) on: April 16, 2014, 03:12:10 pm
If we're going to do this for everyone and thing which is eligible, we'll have a bill longer than war and peace. The most we should do is set the criteria by which textbooks are evaluated.
3  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Are you bicurious? on: April 16, 2014, 02:27:33 pm
I am bipedal, so that's got to count for something.
4  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: UK General Discussion on: April 16, 2014, 07:31:53 am
His name is Nigel for heaven's sake.
5  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: The Duke-Scott Educating The People Reform Bill: Part I (Debating) on: April 15, 2014, 05:59:25 am

A few concerns:

1. A lot of the stuff in section 1 is very vague- what does healthcare mean for example?
2. What about rural schools with like 20 people, should they have on site guidance counselors? on't that cost a fortune?
3. The textbook stuff seems to be a disaster waiting to happen, for one thing, most teachers won't need a thousand dollars worth, but others might need more. As well, not every teacher  needs to individually choose the textbook, it makes sense for that to be a schoolwide system, so classes are interchangeable, and there's continuity when people change classes or move up a year. Finally, and this is the big problem to me, even banning creationism (however that's defined) still leaves a huge amount of possible objectionable choices. What about a book teaching homosexuality is evil? Or one advocating, say, atlasian exceptionilism?

Healthcare is pretty much a standard benefit for students.  That part of the bill merely reenforces it.  This bill was crafted shortly before or around the time the glitches in our healthcare system were brought to light, so school-provided medical care might need to be further explored.

As for your second point, I'm honestly not familiar with any rural schools that only have twenty students.  But, regardless of how large a school is, I think we should provide students with access to guidance counselors.

Thirdly, I agree that the textbook section can be improved and the means of funding made more flexible.  We're going to run into problems no matter how we reform our textbook standards, and those problems won't go away as long as education is so politicized, but the least we can do is provide some oversight so that students aren't being taught to a biased or unscientific curriculum.



Hmm, things in atlasia are obviously different, but in the UK schools are just, well schools, and the idea that they'd be offering healthcare of any sort is seen as a bit weird. But if healthcare is seen as a duty of schools then I suppose I'm OK with that.

I was thinking of places like the Aleutian islands, which have a very small population and are quite isolated. And, sure, it would be nice for them to have an on site guidance counselor at all times, just like it would be nice for that school to have, say, a large library, but it's not essential in the same way that it is for a 1000 strong school.

I think the problem is the ban on creationism seems a little ad hoc, and doesn't seem to solve the main problem, that of teachers using their influence to teach kids something awful. I would probably give the power to buy to departments, instead of individual teachers, subject to moderation by the regional boards, with some agreed standards. It's probably also better to have an agreed list of texts that can be purchased (that can be easily added to, and is very large) than certain texts being excluded.
6  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Bacon King Institute of Comedy on: April 15, 2014, 05:40:49 am
Guntaker has it ever occurred to you that you have no sense of humour
Well, it's probably because I watch more British Comedy over American Comedy (Ricky Gervais, QI, Mock the Week, etc), and I just don't get a lot of American humor, which usually revolves around poop jokes, fart jokes and generally more vulgar and blatant humor.

Lol

7  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Confirmation Hearing: Simfan as Attorney General (Questioning) on: April 15, 2014, 05:37:29 am
Does it serve the interest of the game to have cases for the AG and the Courts?

Of course it does. How could we function without courts, Senator?

I am not asking if Atlasia can live without court's but if the courts can live without cases brought before it.

There have been quite long periods without cases, and the supreme court has always been fine, so I'm not sure why this is a problem.
8  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Amendment to the Drought Mitigation Act of 2011 (At Final Vote) on: April 14, 2014, 05:28:15 pm
Aye
9  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Consistency in Drug Enforcement Bill (At Final Vote) on: April 14, 2014, 05:26:35 pm
Aye
10  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Pacific Gov. DemPGH's Office: Voting Has Concluded, Thank You! on: April 14, 2014, 12:36:09 pm
Congratulations!
11  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Adam Griffin for Senate - Campaign Headquarters (Mason-Dixon Line, DE) on: April 14, 2014, 10:23:13 am
Endorsed.
12  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: The Duke-Scott Educating The People Reform (Amendment Vote) on: April 14, 2014, 06:16:33 am
Aye
13  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Dukeís Letís Put Atlasia to Work Program (Amendment Vote) on: April 14, 2014, 06:15:59 am
Nay
14  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Long-term Unemployment Relief Act (Debating) on: April 13, 2014, 04:32:54 pm
Nay
15  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Long-term Unemployment Relief Act (Debating) on: April 13, 2014, 10:51:39 am
Nay
16  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: 2013-14 Club Soccer/Football Discussion Thread on: April 12, 2014, 10:13:54 am
Ha! Rangers.

Beaten to it Wink
17  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Senate Resolution on the 2014 Crimean Crisis (Amendment Vote) on: April 12, 2014, 10:11:29 am
Aye ftr
18  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: The Duke-Scott Educating The People Reform Bill: Part I (Debating) on: April 12, 2014, 10:09:03 am
A few concerns:

1. A lot of the stuff in section 1 is very vague- what does healthcare mean for example?
2. What about rural schools with like 20 people, should they have on site guidance counselors? on't that cost a fortune?
3. The textbook stuff seems to be a disaster waiting to happen, for one thing, most teachers won't need a thousand dollars worth, but others might need more. As well, not every teacher  needs to individually choose the textbook, it makes sense for that to be a schoolwide system, so classes are interchangeable, and there's continuity when people change classes or move up a year. Finally, and this is the big problem to me, even banning creationism (however that's defined) still leaves a huge amount of possible objectionable choices. What about a book teaching homosexuality is evil? Or one advocating, say, atlasian exceptionilism?
19  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Queue Sanity Act (Debating) on: April 11, 2014, 08:03:53 am
I strive to utilize my PPT slots and such wihch along with the clogging rule helps to equalize the floor time to latter and newer sEnators so flexibility is already present and you and shua have both had time in the PPT slots thus. So to put ti shortly, since I am rushed, we already have a lot of the latter, and it is more efficient thne the former, Senator bore.


Okay, I am calling 24 hours on objections to waiving cloture and proceeding to a final vote.

Yeah, I know that we do have lots of PPT slots, and I personally am fine with the current situation. I was just saying that if people thought it was difficult for new senators to get bills to the floor, further increasing the number of PPT or administration slots would be a way to make it easier.
20  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Confirmation Hearing: Cincinnatus as Vice President of Atlasia (Voting) on: April 11, 2014, 06:34:33 am
Aye
21  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Amendment at Vote) on: April 11, 2014, 06:33:53 am
Aye
22  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: NE1: Northeastern Debate Repeal Act (Voting on Final Passage) on: April 10, 2014, 06:23:31 am
Seeing as I was the original sponsor of the bill, I should probably say something...

This bill was proposed in my younger atlasian days, and I fully support its repeal, but it should serve as a message that it makes no sense to pass game reform measures with no real punishment, because they just end up being ignored and clutter up the statue page.
23  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Queue Sanity Act (Debating) on: April 10, 2014, 06:17:53 am
Maybe something like giving each senator an entitlement to at least one bill on the senate floor? Or giving more discretion to the PPT or the administration as to what gets to the floor?
24  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Confirmation Hearing: Cincinnatus as Vice President of Atlasia (Questioning) on: April 10, 2014, 06:13:10 am
For the record, this nomination has my support, and I have no questions to ask.
25  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Scott for Emperor - Solutions for the South on: April 09, 2014, 05:52:46 am
Take my meaningless inter regional endorsement Smiley
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