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1  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Who is the... on: July 01, 2015, 09:19:12 am
Yes, Simfan was appointed to do this.

I'm not outright against a post being created (and assigning it to the AG has always been an uneasy fit) but to be honest I'd be surprised if it solved the main problem, mainly that updating the wiki, as well as being vitally important, is dull and not at all glamorous work. Given that it's always hard to find people to do it.
2  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Modern Health Education Act on: June 29, 2015, 02:36:02 pm
The thing is, almost (but not every) food is healthy and even required in some amount, and unhealthy in another.

Perhaps the best way for schools to get kids eating well is a limiting of there choices. So every child chooses certain sides, a fruit, a dessert a main and so on. That way we can ensure everyone gets a balance in their diet without too much of anything. It seems to me perhaps the best way is to allow only a limited amount of food, so it's not just a case of buying as many sweets as you can.
3  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Public Office of the Bore/Nix Administration (On Kalwejt/The Pacific) on: June 28, 2015, 02:20:09 pm
Just a reminder to everyone that I'm still accepting applications to be GM, but will soon make a decision, so there s no time to waste by applying.
4  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: You're Less Important then NPCs - The Senate on: June 28, 2015, 06:59:17 am
It's not the case that the issue of sentencing only just came up as an issue, given the long sentences issued during the Lumine adminstration which were hotly debated.

And, as I said on the thread for this bill and have elsewhere every crime is unique and so the interpretation of what falls under what law is always subjective. It is impossible to not give leeway to the judiciary no matter how hard we try.

@President Bore

1. You'll forgive the hyperbole, I wanted to get people's attention and this seemed like the most effective way to do it. I am not conflating anything, I am merely drawing attention to the matter of ultimate sentencing as Kal called it and the fact that litteraly no one else is concerned about these matters.

(Because I sure hope that atlasia is no one's life)
Also, If this is meant to be some kind of sick dogwhistle on the issue of my sanity, it is completely transparent bore. Tongue

Also, since you mention pardons being such an integral aspect of protecting people becuase obviously it is outrageous for us to limit these sentences? What is the schedule for Snowstalker? The election is over, why not liberal a fellow laborite? Therein lies the point, you could waste away waiting for a sympathetic President to toss a pardon your way. I don't consider it an adequate protection.

I'm going to have to disagree because you are, objectively conflating the two. The non playable justice system and the playable justice system are just not comparable in this game.

That line about atlasia not being someone's life isn't even close to calling you insane, so I have no idea what you're saying.

Also, as numerous players can confirm, I have been thinking about who to pardon over the last week or so, which, of course, has nothing to do with the fact snowstalker is in labor.

2. Yes, a lot of this is current law, hence the need for the underlying bill. Something I have said repeateldy over and over again. I am bringing this up now because we have a bill, before the Seante NOW on these issues. You keep harping on this "Oh this is current law, pass the bill without changes and then fix these matters later. Why when the bill is before us now, should we wait? This bill will be passed, quit getting your panties in a wad over the fate of the underlying bill.

I just think remind people that these sentences is a good way to get them to tone down the apocalypticism
3. Yea, a difference whose application can also be rather arbitrary.

I'm not entirely sure what this is about or responding to.
5  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: You're Less Important then NPCs - The Senate on: June 27, 2015, 11:23:17 am
Let's be clear what's actually happening here, because Yankee doesn't seem to know and his spectacularily over the top sensationalism might be giving people the wrong idea.

Firstly comparing the rules for the game of atlasia to the death penalty shows a complete lack of perspective (Because I sure hope that atlasia is no one's life) an ignorance, intentional or not, of the fact that unlimited pardons are an integral part of the criminal justice system and a conflation of the two types of atlasian law, those about the game and those about the country, which should never be mixed.

Secondly, although I don't blame anyone for not noticing because it's such a convoluted mess, these sentences are almost exactly the same as the current ones, and, as Al pointed out and everyone seemed to ignore, by changing procedural rules they make it far more difficult to secure a conviction. Which begs the question why Yankee has not been so outraged about this before.

Thirdly, there is a massive difference between a maximum sentence and the expected sentence. The maximum sentence only refers to the very worst instances of each crime, so would not be a regular occurence.

Finally, I consider myself a liberal guy, but people who engage in massive voter fraud and intimidation or delete records shouldn't come back. They don't deserve or have the right to play this game. It is a private game on a private website and no one is entitled to return.
6  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Criminal Justice (Reform) Act on: June 26, 2015, 07:24:30 am
For the reasons that NewCanadaland has given, could someone object to the amendment?
7  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: If malcontents can whine the GM out of office on: June 25, 2015, 08:07:30 am
I think there's a distinction to be made between coups and rebellions. I'm not of the opinion that people who post a thread saying "I'm the governor now" to no good effect should be punished, but if they actually succeed in taking over a government (illegally) then that should be be punished. Besides, trials are fun Tongue

The distinction between illegal taking over and legal taking over is important though, for instance I don't have a problem with rimjob or things like that.

Also, it seems a bit weird to describe me as some sort of arch reactionary, given that I've supported pretty much every major reform attempt, all of which were voted down by the people.
8  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Public Office of the Bore/Nix Administration (On Kalwejt/The Pacific) on: June 24, 2015, 06:15:05 pm
So, as you will all will be aware, we need a new GM. All interested parties should pm me expressing interest and, preferably some idea of what they would do with the position. Thanks in advance
9  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Criminal Justice (Reform) Act on: June 24, 2015, 06:13:23 pm
Was anyone voting against it because of that bit, and if they weren't is it worth wasting time on another vote?
10  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: --- Emergency Alert System --- Nationwide --- (Event Nullified) on: June 24, 2015, 06:59:56 am
I can say, that, as president I've had some really fun and challenging times thanks to Kalwejt, namely the terrorist uprising, the mark hopper incident and others because there is not a simple response to them, you have to think about what to do and weigh up different choices. It helped that the events were  realistic so people believed them.

That said, there are other types of events that are either realistic but there is only one choice, like a mass shooting which you have to say "my thoughts are with the family, we will overcome this etc" or a terrorist attack where you respond by saying a similar thing and so on. I think a GM story needs to not only be realistic but something that forces you to make a choice.

On the other hand we do need to accept this is a game and involves a willing suspension of disbelief. I'm not a president, no one here is a senator and we can't pass bills that change the world. But we pretend to because that's the game. When something which just doesn't make sense, even in fantasyland, happens, then that suspension is lost, with all that entails.

I get the point that the GM is not respected enough and the only time people jump up is when he resigns or goes over the top. But I'm fond of the God analogy for the GM, we have to have him because he's necessary to say not all things are permitted. But like God, there are still basic laws that constrain him. He can't make a circle a square, for example.
11  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Office of Former President Lief on: June 23, 2015, 06:48:24 pm
12  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Public Office of the Bore/Nix Administration (On Kalwejt/The Pacific) on: June 23, 2015, 06:47:40 pm
As I have made clear in other threads on this board, while I am disappointed by the state of the pacific, the federal government can not sanction ebowed's coup because according to pacific law it is completely illegal. I am strongly in favour of AG Al's tough stance on this and look forward to Simfan's release and return to governing.

Also, I would like to bid GM Kalwejt farewell, and thank him for his service. However controversial some of the storylines may have been, we can all agree that few GMs have been as active and committed as him and I can say, speaking from personal experience that he was always a pleasure to work with. I wish him the best in the future and hope he remains active in a different role in atlasia.
13  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: --- Emergency Alert System --- Nationwide --- on: June 23, 2015, 05:41:49 pm
It's kind of difficult to respond appropriately when you suddenly get nuked for no clear reason.

There's chaos in the Pacific region gaining massive media attention. Wouldn't it be unrealistic for a foreign enemy to not attack in this moment of weakness?

It's suicidal for someone to nuke the world's largest economy and army which also has roaming nukes that can not be hit and can attack you easily, no matter the internal situation. I do get that North Korea acquiring nukes was mentioned earlier but I don't think that changes the calculus.
14  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: --- Emergency Alert System --- Nationwide --- on: June 23, 2015, 02:07:09 pm
As Bacon King has pointed out, with our submarines we can easily launch an attack if this is seriously hostile, so it would be ridiculous to fire back now. I am attempting to either intercept the missiles, or, if they land, see if they are actually hostile. If they are we can cross that bridge then.
15  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Bore/Nix for President on: June 22, 2015, 07:38:01 pm
Congrats man!
Congratulations, Mr. President. You've earned this many times over.
Well done on getting re-elected Mr President
Congrats on the re-election! It was well deserved!

Thank you everyone, it is much appreciated Smiley
16  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Bore/Nix for President on: June 22, 2015, 10:31:21 am
I'd just like to thank everyone who voted in the recent election, and especially everyone who voted for me and Nix. It has been an honour to be your president over the last few months and I look forward to the next four months as well. Hopefully together we can reinvigorate the game.

I'd also like to congratulate NewCanadaland, Talleyrand, Snowguy, Pit and Turkisblau on their elections and re elections and commiserate with Rpryor, Hagrid, RFayette and Lumine. In particular I'd like to thank  Hagrid for his service over the last few months.

Before I go, there is clearly a disturbance going on in the pacific. Looking at the pacific statutes it seems clear to me that Simfan is still Governor and the only lawful authority in the region. So I would like to urge his release and the acceptance that he is in control. Obviously the inactivity in the Pacific can not be defended, but it is not all one man's fault and the way to heal it, which will be a priority over the next few months is to move in active atlasians, not to go on a witch hunt.
17  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: Northeast Voting Booth: June Assembly Elections on: June 21, 2015, 06:02:50 pm

Official Ballot

Northeast Assembly
Five people will be elected to the Assembly.

[6] RGN (Fed-NY)
[5] twistory123 (Fed-NH)
[3] Castro2020 (TPP-CT)
[4] Pikachu (TPP-NJ)
[2] a Person (Lab-ME)
[1] DemPGH (Lab-ME)
[ ] Write-in:____________
[ ] None of the Above

Governor of the Northeast
One person will be elected.

[1] Sawx (TPP-NH)
[ ] Write-in:
[ ] None of the Above

18  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Pacific needs a voting booth opened on: June 21, 2015, 05:33:01 pm
Ok, after reading this thread and related ones over like 8 times to try and get some idea of what's happened, and, assuming the pacific constitution on the wiki is up to date it seems pretty clear to me that ebowed's actions are illegal and the voting booth is not valid.

The only, possibly relevant section is this one:

8. In case of a vacancy of the Governorship, the Speaker of the Council shall be installed as Acting Governor. Within 144 hours of the vacancy, the Pacific Justice must open a Special Election voting booth for the Governorship. The Pacific Justice must announce the date and time of the Special Election a minimum of 72 hours before it occurs. Candidates must declare before the voting booth for the special election is opened to be included on the ballot.

But, of course, there is no vacancy, and given there is no council to impeach simfan, he's there until the next election or until he resigns.

Which leads me to conclude that what's happening is some sort of crime and simfan is the rightful governor.
19  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of H.C. Strache (FP-leader) ? on: June 21, 2015, 07:04:57 am
20  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Protecting Vulnerable Infrastructure Bill 2015 on: June 20, 2015, 07:52:05 pm
This is a sensible and thoughtful bill which will do a lot to maintain the vital infrastructure that we all use everyday.

Protecting Vulnerable Infrastructure Bill 2015

Noting that many key pieces of national and regional infrastructure are in areas of identified high-risk from the impacts of climate change, the Federal Government is investing in protecting its own infrastructure, as well as going into partnerships with the regional governments to assist them in this important task.

1. A $500 million appropriation will be placed in the next Federal Budget to enable the Federal Government to undertake activities to protect, re-enforce and ensure long-term utility of these facilities. The measure will cover Federally-owned roadways, railways, ports and airports. Military facilities will receive 15% of this amount for their activities, however any additional funding will be met from existing military appropriations.

2. The Federal Government will seek to enter partnerships with each regional government to enable them to undertake activities they see fit to protect their own infrastructure. Projects will need to be approved by the Department of Internal Affairs, based on the following parameters:
2a. It must be independently identified as vulnerable or at considerable risk from the impacts of climate change by regional authorities.
2b. It must be under the control of the regional government for at least five years.
2c. There must be a plan and funding strategy for these facilities beyond the life of this funding.

3. The Federal Government will equally co-fund projects in the regions up to a maximum funding pool of $500 million per region over three years.

X bore
21  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Criminal Justice (Reform) Act on: June 20, 2015, 07:48:58 pm
As the AG has pointed out the sentences in this bill are the same or less than the sentences at the moment, and given the changes in the trial structure they actually represent a liberalisation. For the reasons given earlier I don't really favour reducing the absolute maximum provided but given that the sentences are the same as at the moment I'd hope they don't, by themselves, provide  reason to vote against this.

Anyway this bill has been before the senate for quite a while now so, if this is something that the senate wants I think we should get the amendment out of the way so we can resolve any last disputes and move to a final vote.
22  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: June 2015 Federal Election - President, VP and Regional Senators on: June 20, 2015, 06:03:39 pm

1. Bore and Averros Nix
2. BaconBacon and Bacon King
3. Dkrolga and Altsomn

Northeast Senator

1. Talleyrand
2. Rpryor
23  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Opinion of Militant Atheism on: June 20, 2015, 12:08:00 pm
We cover thee not with a cross, not with water and prayer - the inheritance of slavery and darkness- but with our Red banner of struggle and labour, pierced by bullets and torn by bayonets... We bid the parents of the newborn child: bring up thy child to be a devoted fighter for the liberation of the toilers of the entire world, an advocate of science and labor, an enemy of darkness and ignorance.

Do you promise to follow the path of Communism as bravely as you are now opposing the church and the old people's customs? Are you going to make your children serve as Young Pioneers [Like Communist Scouts], educate them, introduce scientific farming methods, and fight for world revolution? Then in the name of our leader, Comrade Vladimir Ilich Lenin, I declare the Red Marriage completed.
24  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Northeast Regional Devolution/Independence Poll on: June 18, 2015, 10:22:07 am
I'd argue that it's not the scope of the powers that leads to inactivity but the lack of clear definition of what is a regional and what is a federal power.
25  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Alleviating Rural Poverty Act of 2015 on: June 17, 2015, 03:48:33 pm
Rural Transport Investment Fund Act
1. Local authorities shall henceforth be able to tax properties who are occupied for less than 100 days a year at a different rate.
1a. The department of Internal Affairs shall create, oversee and manage a  500 million dollar fund  to provide grants for the express purpose of helping to finance and support rural bus services across the Nation.
1b Grants shall only be given to companies or regional or local governments if it is contingent on an affordable service being introduced to an area which has not already got a bus or other public transportation service.
2. 30% of these investment funds must be devoted to supporting more energy efficient transport options such as Hydrogen or Electric buses.
3. An additional 100 million shall be appropriated to set up a pilot scheme to subsidise a proportion of taxi costs t be eligible to be received by people who do not have a car and can not access any form of public transportation

I largely sympathise with TNF's point here, actually, that in most cases it's probably easier to do it ourselves than to pay a for profit corporation to do it. That said there will be cases where an inter city bus goes through a rural area and it's more economical to subsisidise them to introduce a stop there than to provide our own service so it's an option for the SoIA to have on the table.

I welcome any counter proposals/amendments/suggestions
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