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1  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Farming Freedom Act (Debating) on: Today at 09:05:17 am
Section 2 subsection 2 is crazy.

If taken literally it would mean that the government couldn't enforce a regulation ensuring that food was actually safe to eat.
2  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK General Election 2015 on: October 21, 2014, 05:27:29 pm
There's a big difference in lib dem voters between regions. Lib Dem voters in, say, cornwall are very different socially and politically from Lib Dem voters in, say, Sheffield Hallam.
3  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: FC Chess Tournament 5 on: October 21, 2014, 07:28:06 am
I'm not able to work out how to link to it, but homely and X's game has started.
4  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Tax the Bastards Act of 2014 (Debating) on: October 20, 2014, 06:07:21 pm
Nay
5  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Amendment to the Fair De-Registration Rights Act (Debating) on: October 20, 2014, 12:07:16 pm
I definitely don't think that increasing the time limit entails less work for the RG and I've said as much earlier. It would though provide a serious consequence to people who deregister, where at the moment it's not really that serious.

If there was any evidence that even some people who deregistered were people who were planning to fade into inactivity and never come back then that would be one thing, but I don't think that's ever actually happened. The only people who deregister are those who are going to participate again almost straight away.
Again, what is the downside of people deregistering and returning soon afterward? You previously claimed it overburdens the RG but Fritz has denied that so I see no actual negative impacts of deregisteration.

Now that's just not true.

I said a deregistration system is more work having no such system. I claimed the advantage to abolishing deregistration would be it would lighten the RG's workload.

I claimed the advantage to increasing the time limit is it means the act of deregistering has a consequence, and I never said anything about Fritz's workload here. Now most of us, including fritz agree there should be some consequence to deregistering, the question at the moment before us is whether the current consequence is enough.
6  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: People of the Republic of Atlasia v. Snowstalker on: October 20, 2014, 12:01:43 pm
Guilty
7  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: RIP MattVT, FF on: October 20, 2014, 11:55:28 am
I deeply apologize for all of this. There really has been a lot of real life sh**t going on over literally the past year with the family back in Vermont, and I've tried to stay active and productive in a game I, and everyone else here enjoys. I understand what people are saying: "Well if you can't serve actively in the assembly, then how are you going to serve in the senate?" I'm running for senator to give the voters a choice, and to give them an alternative voice. I greatly respect Senator Bore, but I wanted this election to actually be an election. When I decided to run, it appeared as though the race may be uncontested, (Mr. Lief joined very recently). All I know, is that if Labor goes on the offensive about my track record, or anybody else's, they aren't in any position to defend theirs.

First I'd like to echo Governor Talleyrand in saying that real life is always the priority, I think everyone here accepts that.

Having said that, I also think it's pretty clear that my record is very easy to defend, both here and more generally. I have never ever been inactive in office and during my time in the senate, which seems to make even some of the most active atlasians sluggish I have always been one of the most active senators.

More generally I'm unclear where my record is indefensible.
8  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Northeast Senate Election Candidates forum on: October 20, 2014, 11:49:14 am
Obviously all candidates, including lief, are invited to this debate.

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Let me answer as well the marvelous question from Mr. Sir Nick. First of all, let me say that my opponents seem to be good, honest people. We've all heard the nasty rumors about them (the corruption, the adultery, the allegations that they've diddled themselves in front of staffers, etc.) but I want to state unequivocally that I think those rumors are probably not true.


This post is utterly ridiculous. As an atlas forum member I have obviously never even been close to having sex.

 
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What I will say about them is this: Senator bore should be ashamed that he has done nothing to rebuild the war-torn Northeast or combat the incest problem that is ravaging our families, our communities, and our schools;

I've repeatedly pointed out that I oppose incest and have done everything I can to oppose it (which, as it's a regional matter, isn't much). If the so called champion of the people Lief was really concerned about incest he would drop the campaign for this office, which has as little effect on marriage laws in the northeast as the president of Argentina does, and run instead for either governor or ( a better choice since there are already three candidates for governor) the assembly. That he refuses to do so suggest he himself is actually a tool of the nefarious pro incest lobby, trying to distract the public from were marriage laws are really decided.
9  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: The Atlasian Universal Education Bill (Debating) on: October 19, 2014, 11:22:43 am
I assume nix thinks this would be unconstitutional based on this:

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No Law requiring any action to be taken or to be not taken by a Region shall be passed, except to preserve the rights of the Senate or of the People enumerated under the Constitution.

But that specifically says that the rights of the senate overrule this, and one of those rights is:

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To promote the distribution of Knowledge of Science and useful Arts, by assisting and fostering persons seeking to be educated, to provide education, or to produce educational materials.

Which I think clearly encompasses abolishing tuition fees.

That's a tendentious interpretation of the Science and Useful Arts Clause, but fair enough. I'm less worried about passing an unconstitutional bill than I am about passing one that would have devastating effects on Atlasian public education.



Well, yeah. The point I'm making, and the same point I make every time one of these borderline bills comes up is both constitutional and unconstitutional sides have logically waterproof arguments, which is a sure sign there is a problem with the constitution.
10  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: The Atlasian Universal Education Bill (Debating) on: October 19, 2014, 06:31:16 am
I assume nix thinks this would be unconstitutional based on this:

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No Law requiring any action to be taken or to be not taken by a Region shall be passed, except to preserve the rights of the Senate or of the People enumerated under the Constitution.

But that specifically says that the rights of the senate overrule this, and one of those rights is:

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To promote the distribution of Knowledge of Science and useful Arts, by assisting and fostering persons seeking to be educated, to provide education, or to produce educational materials.

Which I think clearly encompasses abolishing tuition fees.
11  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: The Atlasian Universal Education Bill (Debating) on: October 18, 2014, 06:11:32 pm
I think we've got some problems. We have a mix of public and private institutions, so what powers do we have to abolish tuition fees?

The bill specifies that it applies to public institutions, but that's still a problem. The Senate only has power over the National University System, which was only established two years ago and probably accounts for a negligible share of college students in Atlasia.

We obviously cannot tell the regions that they must abolish tuition at every institution of higher education that they run. In at least a couple of cases, there isn't even much need to for us to do more than the regions are already doing. The Pacific and the Northeast have passed generous tuition assistance policies over the past several years, IIRC.

That doesn't mean that we can't do anything, of course. (See this and this for past examples.)

As in the NE, I wrote the bill that abolished tuition fees as I said. I'd like to see such a policy applied nationally.

We simply do not have the authority to do that.

I'm not entirely sure that we should, but I'm fairly certain that, again due to the way the constitution is written, we do have that authority.
12  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: LGBT Equality in Schooling Act (Debating) on: October 18, 2014, 06:09:52 pm
Nay.

Gay marriage is legal in every region which just isn't true for group marriage.
13  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Official 2014-15 Club Soccer/Football Discussion Thread on: October 18, 2014, 01:21:26 pm
On the contrary, Hibs won 4-0 against Livingston, so football was very much on today.
14  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Farming Freedom Act (Debating) on: October 18, 2014, 01:16:51 pm
The initial point I'd like to make is as of 2017 there will be no subsidies for agriculture from us, due to this law: http://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/The_Let%E2%80%99s_Really_Eliminate_Farm_Subsidies_Act
15  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: LGBT Equality in Schooling Act (Debating) on: October 18, 2014, 01:12:57 pm
TNF'S unfriendly amendment.
16  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Ending Financial Havens for Islamic State (Debating) on: October 18, 2014, 01:12:21 pm
Aye
17  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: The GM Independence Amendment (Debating) on: October 18, 2014, 01:11:57 pm
Aye
18  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Amendment to the Fair De-Registration Rights Act (Debating) on: October 17, 2014, 11:25:22 am
I definitely don't think that increasing the time limit entails less work for the RG and I've said as much earlier. It would though provide a serious consequence to people who deregister, where at the moment it's not really that serious.

If there was any evidence that even some people who deregistered were people who were planning to fade into inactivity and never come back then that would be one thing, but I don't think that's ever actually happened. The only people who deregister are those who are going to participate again almost straight away.
19  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Solving Long Term Unemployment Act (Debating) on: October 17, 2014, 08:33:50 am
Nay
20  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: The GM Independence Amendment (Debating) on: October 17, 2014, 08:32:45 am
Final vote?
21  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Ending Financial Havens for Islamic State (Debating) on: October 17, 2014, 08:32:22 am
That's an utterly bizarre vote Tongue
22  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Keep Them Fearful Act of 2014 (Debating) on: October 17, 2014, 08:31:22 am
Aye
23  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: At last; 2007 Scottish Parliamentary Election by ward. on: October 17, 2014, 08:30:21 am
Great work Smiley

24  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Christianity on: October 17, 2014, 05:42:40 am
I think these threads are basically pointless, firstly because religions like Christianity or Buddhism or Islam are so diverse that they just can't be summed up in a neat acronym, but also because, as alluded to earlier, there is a big distinction between the people who claim to follow the religion and the religion itself, and what you choose to emphasize will probably determine how you vote. Incidentally, that probably explains the negative views of buddhism, seeing as most of the buddhists people here are familiar with are western converts, who do tend to be pretty annoying.

Having said that, some people seem to not only be voting based on the adherents but then equating that with the teachings (FWIW I'm happy to concede that the vast majority of christians, including myself, on a spectrum of goodness range from OK to awful, and only a few actual saints consistently live as the gospel tells them to).

I can't understand who's anyone who's read even a little of the gospels can view them as Clark seems to, as just a few examples will show:

Jesus's crazily legalistic view of salvation:
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25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? 26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? 27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. 28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

Jesus urges followers to be a dick to people who hold other views:

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1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
25  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Keep Them Fearful Act of 2014 (Debating) on: October 16, 2014, 06:28:20 pm
Why is time and energy even being wasted on this?



Well, quite.

I haven't bothered to say anything because it's obvious, and completely right, that this is heading for a 9-1 vote.
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