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1  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: The Robin Williams Memorial Suicide Copy-cat Prevention Act (Debating) on: Today at 01:20:30 pm
Would the issues that you hope to combat in this bill not be better met if we promised universal treatment for those suffering from mental health issues?

I think atlasia's already got that, but it's not an either or situation anyway.
2  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: Northeast Voting Booth: Assembly General Election & Referendum - Not Open! on: Today at 08:03:36 am
1 WI Matt from VT
2. SWE
3 Sawx
4 Dallasfan
5 Rpryor

Aye

Aye

3  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What do your family and friends think when they see the Atlas Forum? on: Today at 07:12:56 am
I don't show my family and friends the Atlas Forum (normal)
4  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Peace and Prosperity Act of 2014 (Debating) on: Today at 07:04:28 am

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Peace and Prosperity Act of 2014

1. Effective upon the passage of this legislation, military spending expenditures (as defined in the FY 2014 Budget) by the Republic of Atlasia shall be reduced by 75 percent over a period of two years.

I think such a reduction could stop us implementing 6a.

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2. The savings from the reduction in military spending shall be utilized as follows:
  (a) to provide developing nations with aid to help transition to a carbon neutral, clean energy economy by providing loans and grants for energy conserving technology and clean energy infrastructure;
  (b) to help transition the Atlasian economy to a carbon neutral, clean energy economy by providing direct employment for the unemployed in retrofitting dwellings with clean energy producing infrastructures;
  (c) to provide full income and benefits for all workers and soldiers displaced by demilitarization until they are able to find new jobs at comparable income (that is, no less than 75 percent of their previous income) and benefits.

I don't think 300 billion is enough to do any of these things (apart from c, maybe) let alone all of them.
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3. The Republic of Atlasia shall, upon the passage of this legislation, begin a process of unilateral nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons disarmament, to be completed no later than five years past the date of the passage of this bill.

I can understand the biological and chemical parts, but the nuclear part is very dangerous. I don't like that our country has them, but now that other countries do as well, short of everyone getting rid of them, we need to keep them.

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4. The Republic of Atlasia shall henceforth resolve to encourage the development of and seek to enact 'cooperative security' agreements between itself and other powers in place of present 'collective security' agreements. These agreements would be characterized by the following:
   (a) mutual reduction in armaments by the concerned parties
   (b) the gradual elimination of offensive, cross-border military capabilities between the concerned parties
   (c) further reduction in military spending by the concerned parties

This seems sensible, but I'm not sure what it means in concrete terms.

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5. The Republic of Atlasia hereby resolves to support all efforts to democratize the United Nations. It calls for (a) more proportionality and power vested in the general assemby; (b) an elected Security Council; and (c) the elimination of the veto by great powers on the Security Council.

I can support this.

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6. The Republic of Atlasia hereby resolves to correct the mistakes of the past and embrace a foreign policy agenda that is pro-democracy in action rather than simply as a rhetorical device. The Republic of Atlasia hereby resolves:
    (a) support for all international and mulitlateral peacekeeping efforts aimed at stopping the agression of one nation against another and aimed at the prevention of genocide and;
    (b) that it will never act in a unilateral matter concerning the internal affairs of another nation.

I mostly agree with this, but never is a very very strong word.

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7. Those remaining foreign military bases of the Republic of Atlasia shall be fully decommissioned and those soldiers stationed at said bases returned to the Republic of Atlasia no later than five years from the date of the passage of this Act.

The end to imperialism act seems relevant here. Foreign bases which are left open must be doing something towards the defence of either us or another country.
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8. The Republic of Atlasia shall, upon the passage of this legislation, forgive all debts owed to it by developing nations.

I definitely agree with the intention here (probably more so than most other senators) but this seems very absolutist. Besides, developing nations could mean anything.

5  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: August 2014 Federal Election - At-Large Senate on: Today at 06:45:25 am



AT-LARGE SENATE


[2] Alfred F. Jones of Rhode Island
Labor Party



[5] Bacon King of Oceania
National Front to Restore Democracy



[] Clarence of Florida
Federalist Party



[7] Deus naturae of New York
Democratic-Republican Party



[1] Dr Cynic of Pennsylvania
Labor Party



[6] GAworth of South Dakota
P.E.A.C.E. Party



[] JohannesCalvinusLibertas (JCL) of Indiana
Federalist Party



[] LuminevonReuental of Utah
Federalist Party



[6] Mechaman of Indiana
Bad Party



[3] Poirot of New York
Independent



[4] Polnut of Massachusetts
The People's Party



[  ] Write-in:______________________________
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[  ] None of the above

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6  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Office of SirNick - Ressurection on: August 21, 2014, 06:54:36 pm
Welcome back Smiley

 I think (though I could be wrong) that it's a 60 day waiting period.

Homely said I can't technically re-register for 60 days, but its not like that can stop me from posting and being active Smiley

Plus, after this weekend the next election isn't until October.

Yeah, that's what I meant. Obviously you can, and should be active before you officially re register.

By the way, I think you're forgetting the inevitable twice weekly northeast assembly special elections Tongue
7  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Office of SirNick - Ressurection on: August 21, 2014, 06:20:22 pm
Welcome back Smiley

 I think (though I could be wrong) that it's a 60 day waiting period.
8  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Confirmation Hearing: TyriontheImperialist for Vice President (Voting) on: August 21, 2014, 09:36:36 am
I'll motion for an extension, then.
9  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: The Robin Williams Memorial Suicide Copy-cat Prevention Act (Debating) on: August 21, 2014, 07:08:53 am
I also don't want to seem like an asshole (Tongue) but I'm not sure I understand the point of this bill.

As far as I can tell it tells a government department to draw up non binding guidelines to stop copy cat suicides, something I'd have hoped they'd have done anyway, but doesn't do anything else.
10  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Office of Northeast Governor Talleyrand (Budget Passed!) on: August 21, 2014, 07:03:22 am
Excellent work Smiley
11  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: NE1: The Grand Duchy of the Northeast Act (Debating) on: August 20, 2014, 10:59:48 am
Yeah, this bill feels kind of silly to me.

The whole point of the northeast is that we don't need to do any wacky stuff to be the best region.
12  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Religion in Latin America 2014 on: August 20, 2014, 06:25:52 am
What happened in 1998? Different methodology?
13  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: Northeast Voting Booth: The Bicameral Birthing Amendment on: August 19, 2014, 04:56:31 pm
Aye
14  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Smack Ain't Whack Act of 2014 on: August 19, 2014, 04:43:04 pm
Aye
15  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Lumine playing politics wih Tyrion's nomination for VP on: August 19, 2014, 12:50:11 pm
Oh, come on. Dear Torie was nearly nominated by my predecessor and I consulted with him prior to nominating Torie. I'll not have The People's Administration turned into some firebreathing group of radicals nor will I allow The Era to be tarnished. We were just handsome boys with a radical gay agenda.

Sure, but as a republican he doesn't exactly represent my political views. Besides, in that case, as in the case of a certain other R-NY I voted against the majority of my party.

Say what you like about my position that we should let the executive branch appoint who they want, but it's not something I discovered after labor's nominees started to get voted down.
16  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Lumine playing politics wih Tyrion's nomination for VP on: August 19, 2014, 12:39:51 pm
I assume you Laborites would have eagerly supported the appointment of Robert Bork, yes?

I supported the nomination of torie.
17  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Lumine playing politics wih Tyrion's nomination for VP on: August 19, 2014, 12:32:53 pm
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We can react by throwing a fit, and we can make all kinds of claims about their devious motivations, but I fail to see how this will resolve our conflict. If the opposition Senators have concerns, we have ignored them. And if they wanted a circus, we have given it to them.

A major problem is we were unaware of these concerns until final vote time.


Two other things:

Firstly, I didn't support the power bill until I got called on it, and then withdrew that support in a moderate hero way. I supported it because I failed to really follow the bill (Something I'm not proud of, but something which is also true of every senator just due to human nature) and therefore mistakenly assumed the bill would lead to something like the situation in other countries which have nationalised energy.

Secondly, if you read the senate rules, this really should not be about Tyrion being able to force through anything labor wants. For one thing, labor really isn't united enough to do that, especially given the shifting of the centre the game has seen over the last few years and months. Even if we somehow united to push through energy nationalisation though, all it would take would be an occasional post by the right, because labor can not break cloture.

Ultimately this has to come down to whether you think the public's will of electing a labor VP for 4 months should be respected or not.
18  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: CA-17: San Jose Mayor Chuck Reed endorses Ro Khanna for Congress on: August 19, 2014, 08:27:20 am
What policies make Ro Khanna a Democrat then?

I don't think he looks at issues ideologically, rather he looks at them practically. That's the problem with congress right now. Everyone is in their ideological corners as opposed to trying to do things which are necessary, may they be liberal or conservative.


That doesn't actually mean anything.
19  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: The Bicameral Birthing Amendment of 2014 (Debating) on: August 19, 2014, 08:19:15 am
Cris, if this were to pass the constitution would have to be amended so that states are allowed to be moved every 6 months like regions (that would only require ratification by 1 or 2 more regions). It's as simple as that. And districts can cross regional boundaries.

Given that the sponsor indicated that he was ready for a final vote three days ago, and given that we haven't really heard anything else substantive on this matter, I'm going to open a final vote.

Senators, a final vote is now open on this amendment. Please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.

So what your saying is what I've been saying for the past several weeks doesn't matter to this debate?

Well, you're neither a senator, nor have any senators actually put forward your views in an amendment or as a point, so, procedurally, yes, what you're saying doesn't matter.

Cassius speaks on my behalf.

And he's voted now. Most of the Senate disagrees with this view.

I sympathize with it and continue to be rather skeptical about consolidation as an independent question. But as I see it, this is a somewhat acceptable structure, "should it come to pass" and I promised I would vote Aye if it had a regional Senate. I wish that what JCL and Cassius wanted was practical, because I would be more then willing to jump on board.

What we want is practical. I'm gonna just say it loud and clear. Even if I were not a resident of the Mideast I would oppose consolidation because of the deliberate targeting of the region while the the western two simply get to merge into one while the IDS and Northeast benefit by splitting much of said region between the two. I'm more than willing to show how my proposal would work if this fine body would like. In both three and current map scenario.

Unless you've somehow discovered a new law of mathematics it can't. The numbers simply don't fit.

How would my numbers not fit? You're only adding 5 maybe 6 seats. How does that warrant eliminating one region and merging two. The proponents of consolidation have failed to explain that.

The evidence already suggest we have too many offices, adding more would make it virtually impossible to have competitive elections, or even fill the seats.

My own region of the northeast has had what feels like hundreds of special elections this assembly term, and it's probably doing the best of all the regions. I can not remember the last time there were more people on the ballot than seats in the assembly. The south's most recent election had one seat with no one in the ballot and the other 2 had people run unopposed. The pacific only had one person on the ballot for the 3 person council and the governor ran unopposed. The midwest had the same number of candidates as seats.  The mideast's governor disappeared for several centuries and no one noticed.

You can not legitimately claim that atlasia can support more offices than it has at the present.
20  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Adoption is an Alternative Act (Debating) on: August 19, 2014, 06:48:00 am
Perhaps in a case with the mother not wanting to reveal herself, the information could be withheld until her death, or the child's 18 birthday, whatever is a longer period of time?
21  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Lumine playing politics wih Tyrion's nomination for VP on: August 19, 2014, 05:26:28 am
If TNF can't speak against partisanship, I think I can:
As I said before the vote (which no one responded to) unless the nominee is grossly incompetent, and even then, the senate simply does not have the right to intervene.

This is not a matter of whether you think there should be a labor VP. That has already been decided for you, by the electorate. What Lumine and all the other nay voters are doing is a blatant violation of democracy, exactly the same as a representative who changes party straight after the election, a politician who campaigns for something then votes against it, a governor who appoints someone of a completely different viewpoint to fill a vacancy.

I honestly could not care less about the weird feud that Lumine seems to have with TNF. In fact, as TNF knows only too well, often I agree with Lumine over him. This has nothing to do with that.

22  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Confirmation Hearing: TyriontheImperialist for Vice President (Voting) on: August 19, 2014, 05:20:33 am
As I said before the vote (which no one responded to) unless the nominee is grossly incompetent, and even then, the senate simply does not have the right to intervene.

This is not a matter of whether you think there should be a labor VP. That has already been decided for you, by the electorate. What Lumine and all the other nay voters are doing is a blatant violation of democracy, exactly the same as a representative who changes party straight after the election, a politician who campaigns for something then votes against it, a govIernor who appoints someone of a completely different viewpoint to fill a vacancy.

I honestly could not care less about the weird feud that Lumine seems to have with TNF. In fact, as TNF knows only too well, often I agree with Lumine over him. This has nothing to do with that.

23  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Public Fuel and Power Act of 2014 (Final vote) on: August 18, 2014, 04:42:44 pm
Surely debate is over anyway because the bill failed?
24  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Smack Ain't Whack Act of 2014 on: August 18, 2014, 12:36:49 pm
Yeah, that's better Smiley
25  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Confirmation Hearing: TyriontheImperialist for Vice President (Voting) on: August 18, 2014, 12:11:44 pm
Aye
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