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1  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Fixing the Constitution on: March 27, 2015, 02:05:08 pm
The sentence has just passed this bill, and I want to edit the wiki this week.

These are the amendment which I think have been passed since the last edit at the end of the Nix presidency, any corrections or additions would be greatly appreciated:


Constitutional Convention Clarification Amendment: http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=195926.0

On third thoughts we do have expectations amendment: http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=186690.0

Executive Department Amendment: http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=191251.0

The Let's Say What We Mean About Senate Power over the Executive Departments Amendment: http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=192981.0

Candidacy Withdrawal Amendment: http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=197195.0

GM Independence Amendment: http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=201490.0

Game Moderation Reform Amendment II: http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=203606.0

Protecting People from Explosives Amendment: http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=203920.0

Fix the Senate Rules amendment: http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=205348.0

Along with the 24th through 28th amendments which are on the wiki but not the single page document
2  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: The Official Constitution Act (Passed) on: March 27, 2015, 01:57:44 pm
Treason, rebellion, wiki edits. I mean, it really screams out as belonging there.

So like we are going to ban people from ever holding an office in a fantasy game because of wiki edits? I realize the Sirnick thing and all that, but isn't just a little nuts?

It's a maximum sentence, not a minimum one, and the court would have discretion, as it does in all cases.

But atlasia can only work if we know what previous laws are, someone maliciously editing the constitution to make it easier for them to serve in an office, or win a trial is an incredibly serious offence and should be dealt with appropriately.



Anyway, I am proud to sign this bill:

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The Official Constitution Act
1. For the purposes of all judgments using the atlasian constitution an official copy is hereby created.
2. This copy shall be a wiki article entitled "The Official Constitution of Atlasia"
3. Editing this copy with malicious intent shall henceforth be punished by a voting ban of up to 2 years, and an indefinitely long ban on holding office

X bore
3  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Policing the Police Act of 2014 (Voting on amendment) on: March 26, 2015, 04:10:10 pm
Personally I like the conditions used to decide whether entrapment is legal in Britain, and I would support them being introduced here:

Whether the police acted in good faith;
Whether the police had good reason to suspect the accused of criminal activities;
Whether the police suspected that crime was particularly prevalent in the area in which the investigation took place (Williams v. DPP);
Whether pro-active investigatory techniques were necessary because of the secrecy and difficulty of detection of the criminal activity in question;
The defendant's circumstances and vulnerability; and
The nature of the offence.
4  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Policing the Police Act of 2014 (Voting on amendment) on: March 26, 2015, 03:50:25 pm
Again though, I'm struggling to see why entrapment is bad in all circumstances. What about the example of using it to catch online predators?

Why don't we just allow mobs to lynch them if we're going to start pulling on heartstrings to justify an abhorrent tactic by mentioning an abhorrent crime?
I wasn't meaning to go all Why won't someone think of the children, it's just that is an area where this tactic is used.

I guess this is the difference. I don't think it's necessarily an abhorrent tactic. There's a difference between a police officer harassing a particular person into committing a crime and just throwing down some bait. Posting on a paedophilia board to lure them out into the open, or making clear to potential terrorists that they can pick up some bombs at a certain point doesn't seem to be morally wrong to me.
5  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Policing the Police Act of 2014 (Voting on amendment) on: March 26, 2015, 03:00:47 pm
For the reasons mentioned earlier I can't see elected police commissioners ever being a good idea. People simply don't care about the position enough to vote, and even if they did you'd get police commissioners tailored to their area, so lots more Joe Arpaio's. But I do think that the police oversight board should be independent of the police, and thus close relations of officers should be banned.

Again though, I'm struggling to see why entrapment is bad in all circumstances. What about the example of using it to catch online predators?

6  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Policing the Police Act of 2014 (Voting on amendment) on: March 26, 2015, 02:15:05 pm
Yeah. Police unions, like doctors unions do need to be treated differently because of the importance of the job they do, but that's no reason for them not to have one.
7  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What is your favorite True Leftist accomplishment? on: March 26, 2015, 10:15:22 am
If we're going for Soviet achievements the objectively correct answer is tetris.
8  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Public Office of the Bore/Nix Administration (On the PMA) on: March 25, 2015, 05:58:24 pm
Not the slightest noise from them since the famous raid, Mr. President.

Excellent news Smiley
9  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Public Office of the Bore/Nix Administration (On the RG) on: March 25, 2015, 04:49:53 pm
Ladies and Gentlemen

Our national tragedy is, we can hope, at an end.

As the GM reported four days ago the FBI has successfully raided a PMA compound, taking 43 prisoner, and killing 11 more. Having already taken the group's leader and his deputies, and considering we have heard nothing from the group since, it seems this raid has dealt a fatal bow to the PMA.

This has not been an easy time for atlasia, innocent federal employees and citizens have been ruthlessly murdered, and every citizen has went about their normal routine knowing they could be next. We showed them though, through out perseverance that we could not be defeated, and we would not change our values, no matter what they did.

I would like to especially thank all of the FBI members who helped seize the compound and my Attorney General Al and Secretary of Internal Affairs Barnes. Without you we could not have done it.

Thank you.
10  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Domestic Security Act of 2014 (Final vote) on: March 24, 2015, 05:47:15 pm
I do understand Hagrid's concern, but after doig some research as to what tear gas actually involves, and considering that that are no examples of where only it can stop a riot I think we need to end this hypocrisy


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Domestic Security Act of 2014

Any chemical or biological agent currently prohibited for use in combat by the Armed Forces of the Republic of Atlasia is hereby prohibited for use by any law enforcement agency for the purpose of maintaining public order in area subject to the jurisdictional authority of the Republic of Atlasia.

x bore
11  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: Northeast Voting Booth: Reintroducing the Efficient Referenda Amendment (Again) on: March 22, 2015, 08:29:53 pm
Aye
12  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Atlas Forum IRC Channel, Thread 2 on: March 21, 2015, 04:37:21 pm
When I try to log in I'm getting my browser telling me that I haven't specified a server.
13  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Policing the Police Act of 2014 (Voting on amendment) on: March 21, 2015, 04:14:06 pm
Just going through section 4 I'll list a few of my concerns

1. I'm very concerned about the privacy implications of this, namely the fact that these videos would be available online for anyone to access. They should, in my opinion, be inaccessible unless needed for an investigation.
2. This is a good section, but the other military equipment may be too restrictive. For example I don't see why the police should be unable to buy surplus night vision goggles or stuff like that.
3. This could very easily be abused.
4. I'm fine with this as an aspiration, but we shouldn't be too restrictive. In some cases, like a cartel controlling an area the best option is for police officers with no ties to the area, so they're less easy to blackmail or control. Your average police officer should be local though.
5.I largely agree with this, with the proviso that hate groups is defined centrally and pretty narrowly. If we banned everyone with in some way questionable opinions or allegiances pretty much no one would qualify.
6. Sometimes unmarked cars are necessary for operations. Police officers should never be pretending to be acting under orders when they're not though, because that's a clear abuse of power.
7. I'm OK with this
8. I feel like this is a case by case situation. I'm fine with the police using this stuff to catch perverts on the internet or things like that.
9. I agree in principle with this section, but we need to be very very careful to avoid a paedophile with a clear file turning up as a teacher or anything like that.
10. Again, I'm fine with implementing terrorist cells or the KKK. This should be a case by case thing
14  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Electoral Reform Amendment (Debating) on: March 21, 2015, 02:48:59 pm
I'm on board with most of this amendment, but I agree with Lief that we can't have senators voting on their own districts. That adds a totally unnecessary and silly layer of bureaucracy.

Another thing here is that it might be preferential for the R.G. to be the backup map drawer because he or she is the one most involved in the process of collecting voter rolls by state, etc., while the SoFE is primarily an election administration official. Not a big deal for me either way, but just a thought.

Actually that's a good point Talleyrand. Another reason for this is that the SOFE would be on the commission which deadlocks, so giving him the power to draw the deadlock map might be a conflict of interest. Now I'm certain that wouldn't happen with homely, but it's certainly possible that a future SOFE might do that.
15  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: The Official Constitution Act on: March 21, 2015, 12:42:41 pm
Then why doesn't the AG just do his job and update it? Why do we need a new bill? I mean, I think it would obviously be great to have an updated constitution readily available as well, but... I guess I'm a little confused.

The format of the constitution, unlike the format of say, the senate rules, is very difficult to edit properly. It involves creating new pages for every amendment passed, linking them into the single page document, striking and unstriking various changed sections, linking various bolded and unbolded pieces of text to other wiki pages, and so on. It's also not particularly easy to read.
16  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: The Official Constitution Act on: March 21, 2015, 12:22:01 pm
Doesn't the Wiki article for the Third Constitution get updated continuously?

It was last updated when Nix was still president.
17  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: The White House (Bore/BK Administration) on: March 21, 2015, 12:20:52 pm
Quote from:  Executive Order 4

Talleyrand is nominated to serve as Deputy Secretary of Elections

18  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: The White House (Bore/Nix Administration) on: March 21, 2015, 08:28:13 am
Quote from: Executive Order 3
Adam Griffin is nominated to be RG
19  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Public Office of the Bore/Nix Administration (Attack on DOFE) on: March 21, 2015, 08:24:15 am
Good evening Ladies and Gentlemen

No doubt many of you are, to say the least, surprised by my nomination of Adam Griffin for RG. This won't be because of concerns about partisanship, because the position is competely apolitical. It also won't be because anyone doubts Adam's ability or activity. We can be sure he will keep the roles up to date and accurate..

The reason there will be surprise is because Adam recently won a special election for Bacon King's seat. But, and this, importantly, is my fault, he always wanted to be RG more than a Senator. Griffin ran for senate because I had a mistaken view of the constitution, and assured him that the RGship could be held by a sitting senator. Once we realised our mistake it was too late for him to drop out.

I recognise that another special election would be a hassle for everyone, especially so soon after the last one, so, if Griffin is going to be confirmed the senate can easily postpone the confirmation until after the 35 day limit when party chairs can appoint a replacement.

This was not an easy decision to make, as can be seen by near week long wait for the announcement I promised, but ultimately I feel this was my mistake and this is the best way to rectify that. Hopefully the senate will agree and vote to confirm this obviously qualified candidate.

Also, at some point soon I shall be making a speech on the PMA.
20  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Electoral Reform Amendment (Voting on Amendment) on: March 21, 2015, 08:05:44 am
Can someone take up this amendment?

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Electoral Reform Amendment

Article I, Section IV, of the Constitution is hereby amended to read:

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1. The Senate shall be divided into two classes: Class A, which shall comprise the Senators elected from the Regions, and Class B, which shall comprise Senators elected by a form of proportional representation each of the five districts, as specified in Section 2. Each class shall be limited to 5 Senators. Regions shall not elect more than one Senator for Class A. Districts shall not elect more than one Senator for Class B.
2a. The Districts shall be selected by a commission, which shall meet publicly, comprised of the five Governors of the Regions  and with the Secretary of Federal Elections serving as Chairman.
2b The Governor's serving on the commission at it's convocation shall serve on the commission until districts are decided, even if they stop being Governor.
3. The aforementioned commission shall meet for three months after every other election for Class B Seats. Once the commission has agreed on a map supported by 4/5ths of it's members the districts shall be approved by the Senate, needing a majority vote to pass.
4. If the Senate rejects the set of districts proposed by the commission, or the commission fails to agree on a set of districts, 3 weeks before the election they are due to go into effect at, the districts shall instead be drawn by the Secretary of Federal Elections. & the Registrar General.
5. The districts need to be contiguous, and but  must be equal in population or must have a difference of a maximum of 3 voters, according to the first census after the most recently occuring elections.
6. One state may not be in more than one district.

7. Elections for the seats in Class A shall be held in the months of February, June and October; Elections for the seats in Class B shall be held in the months of April, August and December.
8. Regular elections to the Senate shall begin between midnight Eastern Standard Time on the Thursday preceding the penultimate Friday of the month and 0001 Eastern Standard Time on the penultimate Friday itself, and shall conclude exactly 72 hours after beginning, except in the month of December. Regular elections to the Senate in the month of December shall begin between midnight Eastern Standard Time on the Thursday preceding the second Friday of the month and 0001 Eastern Standard Time on the second Friday itself,  and shall conclude exactly 72 hours after beginning.
9. Any vacancy occurring in a Class A Senate seat shall be filled according to the laws of the respective region. If a region does not have any law for filling the vacancy, then the Governor of that Region shall appoint a person to fill the remainder of that term.
10. If a vacancy shall occur in a Class B Senate seat more than twenty-one days before the regularly scheduled election for that seat, then a special election shall be called to fill the remainder of the vacated term within one week of the vacancy occurring; Special elections to the Senate shall begin within ten days of the vacancy occurring and shall begin between midnight Eastern Standard Time on a Thursday and 0001 Eastern Standard Time on the first Friday thereafter, and shall conclude exactly 72 hours after beginning.
11. The Senate shall have necessary power to determine regulations for the procedure of and the form of Senate elections and shall have necessary power to determine a procedure for declaration of candidacy for such elections. All elections to the Senate shall be by public post. The exact time at which a given election or vote shall begin may be determined by the voting booth administrator subject to such restrictions as may be imposed by Law.
12. Those elected in ordinary elections to the Senate shall take office at noon Eastern Standard Time on the first Friday in the month after their election. Those elected in special elections to the Senate shall take office as soon as the result of their election has been formally declared.

Article V, Section II, Subsection VI is hereby amended to read:

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Persons may only change their State of registration from one region to another region once every 180 days every six months. Changes in State of registration within a single region may occur once every 24 hours every three six months.


Basically it clarifies a bit of the language, changes the state changing to 6 months, get's rid of the RG clause (I wouldn't really mind if the SOFE was removed instead of the RG but for the
map to break the deadlock we really need to have one person doing it because we don't want the people breaking the deadlock to deadlock themselves. It also specifies that the governors stay on the commission even if they lose re election and makes the commission meeting public.
21  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Global Financial Transaction Tax Resolution (Debating) on: March 21, 2015, 07:50:23 am
Do I need to sign this, I'm quite hazy on resolutions as opposed to bills.

22  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Lucifer vs. Social Revolutionary Jesus on: March 19, 2015, 04:48:19 pm
Andrew, I agree with snowguy that you do have an anger, but it's not with God as he thinks, but with the beliefs that some people have with God.  I understand and sympathize with that anger, but when you have expressed that anger here, you often do so in a way that can come across as an anger with God rather than those people.

Given that I think that man creates god in whatever image he pleases then I suppose you are half right, but I don't believe there is a god, so it is impossible to be angry at nothing more than a concept.

Maybe if people were perfectly rational it would be impossible, but I don't think this is the case.

Otherwise no one could every really connect to any work of fiction, for example, I don't believe that Dumbledore really exists, so how could I be angry at him dying? Something doesn't need to be objectively real for it to cause emotions, and that's not a bad thing.
23  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Combating Boko Haram (Debating) on: March 19, 2015, 08:38:43 am
I can't object but we need to change section 4 to be brought into line with section 1
24  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: The Official Constitution Act on: March 18, 2015, 04:49:15 pm
This bill is pretty straightforward

The constitution that the Supreme Court and senate uses is about a year and a half out of date, and more importantly is basically impossible to edit (I know because I've tried) this aims to make things easier.
25  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Policing the Police Act of 2014 (Debating) on: March 18, 2015, 12:31:46 pm
One initial point I'd like to make is to point that out there are elected police commissioners in England and Wales, and they are widely regarded as a joke, and are basically useless. I don;t think that's a model we should be copying.
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