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1  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK General Election, June 8th 2017 on: April 28, 2017, 08:12:55 pm
Are terrible inaccurate constituency polls not going to be a feature of this race? I really enjoyed them in 2015 as they allowed me to talk about individual constituencies and pretend I had a clue as to what was going on there

My Gran who lives in Bury South, but just over the border from Bury North, got a phone call from pollsters asking her about Bury North, so they still happen, but I imagine it was just an internal.
2  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: In your opinion, can a Christian believe in universal salvation? on: April 28, 2017, 11:50:53 am
I posted this article the last time this topic came up, but it's a good enough read that I have no difficulty posting it again.

The crux of the matter, to me, is summed up early on in the piece:

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Precisely because God does not determine himself in creation—because there is no dialectical necessity binding him to time or chaos, no need to forge his identity in the fires of history—in creating he reveals himself truly. Thus every evil that time comprises, natural or moral—a worthless distinction, really, since human nature is a natural phenomenon—is an arraignment of God’s goodness: every death of a child, every chance calamity, every act of malice; everything diseased, thwarted, pitiless, purposeless, or cruel; and, until the end of all things, no answer has been given. Precisely because creation is not a theogony, all of it is theophany. It would be impious, I suppose, to suggest that, in his final divine judgment of creatures, God will judge himself; but one must hold that by that judgment God truly will disclose himself (which, of course, is to say the same thing, in a more hushed and reverential voice)
 

and, regarding the Free Will defence:
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Among more civilized apologists for the “infernalist” orthodoxies these days, the most popular defense seems to be an appeal to creaturely freedom and to God’s respect for its dignity. But there could scarcely be a poorer argument; whether made crudely or elegantly, it invariably fails. It might not do, if one could construct a metaphysics or phenomenology of the will’s liberty that was purely voluntarist, purely spontaneous; though, even then, one would have to explain how an absolutely libertarian act, obedient to no ultimate prior rationale whatsoever, would be distinguishable from sheer chance, or a mindless organic or mechanical impulse, and so any more “free” than an earthquake or embolism. But, on any cogent account, free will is a power inherently purposive, teleological, primordially oriented toward the good, and shaped by that transcendental appetite to the degree that a soul can recognize the good for what it is. No one can freely will the evil as evil; one can take the evil for the good, but that does not alter the prior transcendental orientation that wakens all desire. To see the good truly is to desire it insatiably; not to desire it is not to have known it, and so never to have been free to choose it. It makes no more sense to say that God allows creatures to damn themselves out of his love for them or of his respect for their freedom than to say a father might reasonably allow his deranged child to thrust her face into a fire out of a tender respect for her moral autonomy.


The idea that some are condemned to an eternity in hell seems incompatible with the belief in a a God who loves all.

My Lutheran pastor has implied that everyone will go to heaven.  He said that salvation comes through undeserved grace, and that not even believing in the wrong religion can keep a person from receiving that grace.

Jesus died for everyone's sins, didn't he?

That's not the issue though.

The problem isn't about God's grace, it's that Jesus himself said some things that are really hard to reconcile with universalism. I'm thinking of Matthew 25:31-46 in particular (the sheep and the goats). It's really hard (I'd say impossible) to square that passage with universalism.

The problem with scripture is that the gospels were not written in english Tongue What is clear is that in the early days of the church plenty of greek speakers (which, after all is what the gospels were written in) like Origen and Gregory of Nyssa and so on, interpreted Matthew 25:46 as meaning for "a long time" But anyway, if you wish you can easily find seemingly universalist verses in the New Testament in english, like 1 Corinithians 3 10-15. This isn't an issue where scripture is unambiguous.
3  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK General Election, June 8th 2017 on: April 26, 2017, 01:54:14 pm
I see the Conservatives winning and holding their majority. However, I don't know if they'll keep their super majority, that remains to be seen.

In Britain it's actually called the 'rather smashing majority, old chap'. Do your research.

Yeah, a super majority refers to the parliaments where the favourite alcoholic drink of a majority of MPs from Scotland is Tennent's Super.
4  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK General Election, June 8th 2017 on: April 25, 2017, 07:30:05 am
Who exactly is still voting Labour in Scotland?

Me and my 89 year old gran, who's voting labour because "her father always did" (in fairness, as he was a miner, although he'd obviously vote UKIP now, she's probably right)

Are you saying this sarcastically or?

I wish I were.
5  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Have you even been to a nuclear bunker? on: April 24, 2017, 09:06:17 am
The Scottish Office one in Fife. Built and hidden underneath a farmhouse minutes away from where I used to go my childhood holidays.

Is that Scotland's Secret Bunker, possibly our most poorly named tourist attraction, given that you can not travel more than 5 miles on a motorway anywhere in scotland without being informed of how far away it is?
6  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: What are the most over and under rated demographic trends today? on: April 24, 2017, 08:55:37 am
Underrated:
Rising share of population that is non-religious or functionally non-religious. Our political culture does not incorporate this view yet but the numbers are getting quite high, especially among the young.



Most of such people were already thoroughly secular, now it's just being formalized.

Nevertheless, that formalisation is itself important. People who are Christian in name only do have different politics than people with the same religious beliefs who say they have no religion.
7  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK General Election, June 8th 2017 on: April 24, 2017, 08:45:03 am
Who exactly is still voting Labour in Scotland?

Me and my 89 year old gran, who's voting labour because "her father always did" (in fairness, as he was a miner, although he'd obviously vote UKIP now, she's probably right)
8  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: Lincoln Voting Booth, April 2017 on: April 23, 2017, 05:51:24 pm

FOR SENATE (CLASS II)
ONE (1) to be elected

[X] Ascott
Labor

[ ] Write-in


FOR ASSEMBLY
FIVE (5) to be elected

[4] Hoosier_Nick
Labor

[6] RGN08
Federalist

[3] lok1999
Labor

[1] JGibson
Labor

[5] kyc0705
Independent

[2] CXSmith
Labor

[ ] Write-in
9  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: April 2017 House Election on: April 23, 2017, 05:49:19 pm
1. Simossad
2. Drewmike
3. Clyde
4. Peebs
5. OneJ
10  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK General Election, June 8th 2017 on: April 21, 2017, 05:31:28 am
Tories now trumpeting the 'Coalition of Chaos' line again. Either their private polling is showing a closer election than the public polling or they are worried about being hurt by low turnout.

Ftr, there was a report a few weeks ago of Tory private polling showing that about 25 seats could be lost to the Lib Dems.

Semi paradoxically, to get a landslide the tories need to convince the electorate that it's close, and for the election to be (relatively, labour will still lose a lot of seats) close, the electorate needs to be convinced that it will be a landslide.
11  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK General Election, June 8th 2017 on: April 18, 2017, 09:40:01 am

This election might become a disaster for LAB in Scotland.  The might be pushed to a weak third place since all the anti-SNP tactical voting will most likely end up with CON which is for now the stronger of CON and LAB.

We've fallen so far recently that comparatively it wouldn't really be a disaster. If Labour can hold Edinburgh South then it will be a great night for us. What we'll judge the year on is how well we do in the council elections in May.

Sure it terms of seats 2015 is near rock bottom for LAB. I was thinking for the humiliation of LAB of falling behind CON in terms of vote share by a significant margin which will be exaggerated by anti-SNP tactical voting. 

I expect that to happen, yeah. Maybe the last few years have just immunised me against electoral humiliation Tongue
12  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK General Election, June 8th 2017 on: April 18, 2017, 09:38:55 am
Given that the Tories have pulled into a solid second place in the high 20's in Scotland.

What are the chances of the Tories winning seats of the SNP? How many?

This election might become a disaster for LAB in Scotland.  The might be pushed to a weak third place since all the anti-SNP tactical voting will most likely end up with CON which is for now the stronger of CON and LAB.

We've fallen so far recently that comparatively it wouldn't really be a disaster. If Labour can hold Edinburgh South then it will be a great night for us. What we'll judge the year on is how well we do in the council elections in May.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Edinburgh South fall to the Tories. The council elections will give a good indication of how Scotland will vote in June though.

At the moment I'm inclined to think that, barring an even bigger deterioration in the Labour vote nationally, we'll hold on to it. Murray is a very prominent figure locally, and is loudly anti brexit and anti independence, which lines up well with the electorate, the local labour party is one of a handful in scotland that is actually effective (I think it has over a 1000 members), the seat is worse than the corresponding holyrood seat for the tories because it also includes a lot of council estates in the south of the city (Moredun, The Inch, Gracemount etc) and the tories and the SNP will find it very hard to squeeze, in either direction, the labour vote given the result in both 2015 and 2016. It also strikes me as unlikely, in an election that will be fought on brexit, for the tories to gain a seat which was about 80% remain.

But, 3 way marginals are always unpredictable, so I could be wrong.

13  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK General Election, June 8th 2017 on: April 18, 2017, 09:22:28 am
Given that the Tories have pulled into a solid second place in the high 20's in Scotland.

What are the chances of the Tories winning seats of the SNP? How many?

This election might become a disaster for LAB in Scotland.  The might be pushed to a weak third place since all the anti-SNP tactical voting will most likely end up with CON which is for now the stronger of CON and LAB.

We've fallen so far recently that comparatively it wouldn't really be a disaster. If Labour can hold Edinburgh South then it will be a great night for us. What we'll judge the year on is how well we do in the council elections in May.
14  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK General Election, June 8th 2017 on: April 18, 2017, 09:18:56 am
I think the number of voters who believe May's proclaimed reasoning is her actual reasoning can be counted on one hand. Although I think the effect of such blatant self interest will only be to lower her popularity but not the number of votes, given the state of the opposition.

15  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Do you support "Communists for Trump"? on: April 11, 2017, 04:45:40 pm
I don't know him personally.
16  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: Lincoln Voting Booth, April 2017: Lincoln Assembly Special Election on: April 09, 2017, 05:15:46 pm
[1] kyc0705
17  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: How many buddies do you have? on: March 28, 2017, 06:07:17 pm
Far more than any of you, though none of you would know them, given that they go to a different school.
18  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: What happened to the French election topic? on: March 28, 2017, 07:01:40 am
I don't think there's a policy against deleting thread/posts, given the "delete" button is an available feature. Neither I think it should be discounted.

We could, however, make a rule that established community threads such as election threads are a "protected species".

Is there is some thread that is a jewel in the crown of the Atlas, as to which we don't trust the progenitor thereof to "protect," the fix I think is to have some fascist mod of the subject board, create his or her own thread, and merge the jewel into the new shell thread, thereby giving powers to protect to the fascist mod, rather than than untrustworthy progenitor. And there you have it. Smiley

From now on, please write your posts in english.

Thanks.
19  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Reputations of the Various Catholic Orders on: March 12, 2017, 07:56:53 am
http://catholic-resources.org/JesuitJokes.htm
20  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK Parliamentary by-elections, 2015-2020 on: February 24, 2017, 05:25:29 pm
Nice to see the left-wing commie biased BBC ignoring Copeland and focusing almost entirely on Nuttall going down in Stoke...oh wait, they are focusing on Copeland.

This is the correct angle, though. The Official Opposition to a second term government is completely unraveling and has just lost a seat they've held for 80 years on a massive swing. There is no bigger story.

21  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Italy 1994! on: February 24, 2017, 03:56:52 pm
How did my grandfather's comune (Montefalcione, in Campania 2, which is mentioned above) vote, I hear you ask? Well, the answer is, as usual, overwhelmingly for moderate heroism (I say as usual because in 2013, for example, it gave 50% of the vote to Mario Monti)



(For anyone interested who doesn't already know in this level of detail, it is worth saying that, shockingly, italy has a world class election results website, available here: http://elezionistorico.interno.it/ )
22  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: CPAC: Milo as keynote speaker on: February 18, 2017, 04:15:46 pm
It's impressive just how intellectually bankrupt the American Right is.
23  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: February 2017 Federal Election on: February 17, 2017, 08:50:14 pm


PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT OF ATLASIA


[ 3 ] dfwlibertylover/Goldwater
Federalist Party



[ 1 ] Maxwell/smilo
Vermont Communist Party/Harambe is a Free Gorilla Party



[ 2 ] NeverAgain/Southern Gothic
Labor Party



[ 4 ] Winfield/Poirot
Independent



[  ] Write-in:______________________________
-__________________



[  ] None of the above



HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES - NINE SEATS



[ 1 ] 1184AZ of Washington
Labor Party



[ 4 ] Cashew of California
Labor Party



[  ] Enduro of Pennsylvania
Federalist Party



[  ] lwp2004 of Connecticut
United Alternative



[ ] North Carolina Yankee of North Carolina
Federalist Party



[ 2] OneJ_ of Mississippi
Labor Party



[ 3 ] Peebs of North Carolina
Labor Party



[ 6 ] Potus2036 of West Virginia
Federalist Party



[  ] SecureAmerica/Heisenberg of New Mexico
Federalist Party



[5  ] simossad of Minnesota
Labor Party



[  ] tedbessell of California
Federalist Party



[  ] Write-in:______________________________
-__________________



[  ] None of the above
24  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: Northern Voting Booth - February 2017 Regional Election + Referendums on: February 17, 2017, 08:42:12 pm
FOR CLASS I SENATE
ONE (1) Senator to be elected.

[1 ] R2D2/20RP12
Labor Party

[] Write-In: __________


FOR GOVERNOR
ONE (1) Governor to be elected.

[1] Mike Wells
Labor Party

[2] Kingpoleon
United Alternative


FOR ASSEMBLY
FIVE (5) Assemblymen to be elected

[6 ] Spark498
Federalist Party

[  5 ] JGibson
Democratic Party

[ 1  ] DrewMike87
Labor Party

[ 2 ] Lok1999
Labor Party

[3 ] CXSmith
Labor Party

[  4 ] Wolverine22
Labor Party

[ ] Write-In: __________

[ ] Write-In: __________


REGIONAL NAME CHANGE

Question: Should the name of the Northern Region be changed?

[   ] Yes

[X] No

If you voted "YES", please read the following passage and select a new name for the Northern Region, should the first question pass. If you voted "NO", you may still preference a new name for the region, should the first question pass.


NAME CHANGE SUGGESTIONS

In accordance with the Regional Name Act of 2017, the citizens of the Northern Region proposed a variety of names to replace "North" as the name of the region. These proposals were debated by the Assembly, and the following three (3) names were chosen. Ppreferentially vote for the name suggestions as you would for a group of candidates for office.

[   ] FRANKLIN

[   ] LINCOLN

[1] ATLANTIC UNION


CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS

Please read the following proposed amendments to the Northern Constitution thoroughly!

"EXECUTIVE TIEBREAKING" AMENDMENT TO ARTICLE ONE OF THE NORTHERN CONSTITUTION

Quote
AN AMENDMENT TO THE NORTHERN REGIONAL CONSTITUTION

I. Article I of the Northern Constitution shall be amended to include the following:

Quote
9. In the event of a tie in a legislative vote, the Governor shall have the power to break the tie.

[] AYE
[ X ] NAY


"VOTER INTEGRITY" AMENDMENT TO ARTICLE ONE OF THE NORTHERN CONSTITUTION

Quote
Voter Integrity Act

I. One must be a citizen in the North for ten days before becoming eligible to vote in the elections of that region.

[  X ] AYE
[] NAY
25  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Maxwell for President - Vermont Style Communism on: February 15, 2017, 06:16:31 pm
A ban on homeschooling? That's probably the stupidest idea I've ever heard suggested on this board.

Newbies are funny

Failed presidents who think veterans are newbies are funny.

I see the discredited alternative fact that I was a failed president is still doing the rounds.

Anyway I don't really know who you are, so I made the charitable assumption that you were a newbie because the alternative is that you've spent all your time in the game not paying attention.

In my day I've seen flame wars about legalising incest, jomcar and his split-before-it-was-a-film performance, classic conservative swearing under oath that he's never had sex with JCL, talleyrand going from 0 votes to a comfortable special election victories on a trump inspired campaign, every conceivable feud, every possible scandal, hundreds if not thousands half baked legislative proposals, some of which I probably voted for, and the career of Lebron Fitzgerald.

So yes I do find you describing a fairly conventional, if to you disagreeable, political opinion the stupidest thing you've seen on the board pretty funny.
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