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1  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Labor Party HQ on: Today at 02:22:18 am

The people's flag is deepest red
It shrouded oft our martyred dead
And ere their limbs grew stiff and cold
Their hearts' blood dyed to every fold

Then raise the scarlet standard high
Beneath it's folds we'll live and die
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer
We'll keep the red flag flying here

It waved above our infant might
When all ahead seemed dark as night
It witnessed many a deed and vow
We must not change it's color now

Then raise the scarlet standard high
Beneath it's folds we'll live and die
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer
We'll keep the red flag flying here

It well recalls the triumphs past
It gives the hope of peace at last
The banner bright the symbol plain
Of human right and human gain

Then raise the scarlet standard high
Beneath it's folds we'll live and die
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer
We'll keep the red flag flying here

It suits today the meek and base
Whose minds are fixed on pelf and place
To cringe beneath the rich man's frown
And haul that sacred emblem down

Then raise the scarlet standard high
Beneath it's folds we'll live and die
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer
We'll keep the red flag flying here

With heads uncovered swear we all
To bare it onward till we fall
Come dungeons dark or gallows grim
This song shall be our parting hymn

Then raise the scarlet standard high
Beneath it's folds we'll live and die
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer
We'll keep the red flag flying here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EtdB6RTbEI
2  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Would love to see Dems find a perfect candidate to challenge MS in 2018... on: April 27, 2017, 10:21:20 am
Mississippi Dems would basically need a Harold Ford-style candidate in order to have a chance: young, (nominally) black, somewhat conservative, with some sort of claim to fame. It's the only way you'd be able to potentially galvanize black turnout to the levels needed while simultaneously preventing more than 80% of whites from voting for the Republican.

To my knowledge, no one like this exists.
3  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: GA-6 Special election discussion thread on: April 27, 2017, 10:10:52 am
Here's turnout by precinct from April 18 as a share of the 2016 presidential turnout:

4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Can Fraternal Order of Alt Knights (FOAK) hurt GOP in 2020? on: April 27, 2017, 02:57:07 am
I found this article on SPLC about the recent protests going on nationally, and one reactionary right-wing group is calling itself "Fraternal Order of Alt Knights" (FOAK)--(it's a pretty good slogan by the way), anyway, can this reactionary group hurt the GOP in 2020?

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2017/04/25/new-alt-right-%E2%80%9Cfight-club%E2%80%9D-ready-street-violence

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Chapman, who uses the Internet meme “Based Stick Man,” says his new militant, highly-masculine group will be the “tactical defensive arm” of the Proud Boys, another group that shows up at pro-Trump rallies looking to rumble with counter-protesters.

“We don’t fear the fight. We are the fight,” Chapman said in a recent social media post announcing FOAK’s formation.

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The Proud Boys reportedly have a four-step initiation process. It starts with a prospect declaring himself a “Proud Boy,” suiting up in Fred Perry polo shirts with yellow stripes—similar to those worn by skinheads.

The second degree is a “cereal beat-in” during which the new member is punched and beaten by current members until the plebe can rattle off the names of five cereals (you know, Corn Flakes, Rice Krispies, Cheerios!)

The third degree reported involves “adhering to the masturbation regimen and getting a tattoo,” blogger Will Sommer wrote in a recent post.

Since then, a fourth-degree has been added to the initiation ritual – brawling with antifascists at public rallies.
5  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Can By All Means Necessary (BAMN) hurt Democrats in 2020? on: April 27, 2017, 02:39:08 am
Just like all other "groups", outrages and non-issues dredged up by angsty right-wingers watching too much YouTube in the pursuit of generating faux-outrage to justify their poorly-masked anti-otherism, nobody knows or cares about this - and they're certainly not going to be basing any future votes off of it.
6  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: CA Senate Health Committee approves Universal Health Care bill on: April 26, 2017, 10:39:11 pm
I'm very hard on states that want to pass universal healthcare (because it won't work, make the concept look like a failure, sink the idea at the national level for a century and give conservatives all of this strawman ammo), but CA might just be big and influential enough to pull it off.
7  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Crusader Polling - June 2017 Presidential Election on: April 26, 2017, 10:37:46 pm
Definitely DFW Liberty Lover. Anyone who is even slightly more to the right than Jill Stein should follow in my foot steps.

This is such a baffling post

For a commie.

Whose sock are you?

Why would you even go there? It's hypocritical to complain about our (real) activity problems and then go make people feel unwelcome by assuming they are guilty of a bannable offense. Just freaking ridiculous. You (and really everyone) should know better than to accuse new people who disagree with you of being socks.

Perhaps because he's only actively been posting for a few days now and suddenly seems to know everything about Atlasia...? This has always been a tell-tale sign in the past. I didn't even notice it until I read this thread again just now.

Probably like me. When I joined I immediately read up on the game because I have no life (which, ironically, led to me being called a sock by Talleyrand and some other guy I can't recall). I mean, it's not that hard to learn. You're acting like it's quantum mechanics or you need to be registered for 6 months to read the introduction thread.

In that case, best-case scenario here suggests that he'll end up taking the game far too seriously, ultimately develop sociopathic tendencies and wind up being like you, DFW, myself or a handful of others - I say a preemptive ban is the best solution for everybody involved!
8  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Crusader Polling - June 2017 Presidential Election on: April 26, 2017, 10:17:35 pm
Definitely DFW Liberty Lover. Anyone who is even slightly more to the right than Jill Stein should follow in my foot steps.

This is such a baffling post

For a commie.

Whose sock are you?

Why would you even go there? It's hypocritical to complain about our (real) activity problems and then go make people feel unwelcome by assuming they are guilty of a bannable offense. Just freaking ridiculous. You (and really everyone) should know better than to accuse new people who disagree with you of being socks.

Perhaps because he's only actively been posting for a few days now and suddenly seems to know everything about Atlasia...? This has always been a tell-tale sign in the past. I didn't even notice it until I read this thread again just now.
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Harvard Public Opinion Project: A Lost Generation for the GOP? on: April 26, 2017, 10:12:22 pm
^^^ Nevertheless, I feel as I've been posting in here, we've sort gotten off the original point I was trying to make: the amount of "diversity" - whether we're looking at the total vs. youth population or the total vs. youth voters - present right now isn't nearly enough to justify saying that "younger voters are more Democratic because they're less white". In large part, that diversity hasn't even yet begun to be felt at the ballot box (for reasons I'd be happy to explain independently).

Certainly it has an effect, but it's nowhere nearly potent enough to be responsible for why Millennial voters are 20 points more Democratic on average than the nation's voters as a whole. Like I mentioned earlier, even white Millennial voters by themselves are likewise 20 points more Democratic than white voters as a whole.
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Harvard Public Opinion Project: A Lost Generation for the GOP? on: April 26, 2017, 10:04:33 pm
Kind of an obvious point, but a big reason why this generation doesn't like Republicans (Trump especially) is because they're incredibly racially and ethnically diverse. Hispanics, Asians, and blacks don't like him. And the best possible result Trump got among 18-29 white voters was 48% to Hillary's 43%. And that's the best result I've seen so far.

According to roper, George Bush tied Al Gore with 18-24 year olds...so the idea that the youth have always being incredibly Democratic isn't the case.

Millennials as a whole are like 55% white, compared to the country as a whole at 62-63% white. It's not that much of a difference, and certainly doesn't explain the full discrepancy (maybe 5 points in the margin at most).

Millennials are 55% white? I've read reports that pegged Generation Z as being 55% nonhispanic white (Source) so that can't add up unless a decent chunk of Hispanic millennials identify as white.

I assume if the original point was about how younger people don't like the GOP, we're referring to people who can actually be voters right now: 18-34 year-olds. Among this category and according to the Brookings Institution, this group is 55% non-Hispanic white:

11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Harvard Public Opinion Project: A Lost Generation for the GOP? on: April 26, 2017, 09:39:03 pm
Kind of an obvious point, but a big reason why this generation doesn't like Republicans (Trump especially) is because they're incredibly racially and ethnically diverse. Hispanics, Asians, and blacks don't like him. And the best possible result Trump got among 18-29 white voters was 48% to Hillary's 43%. And that's the best result I've seen so far.

According to roper, George Bush tied Al Gore with 18-24 year olds...so the idea that the youth have always being incredibly Democratic isn't the case.

Millennials as a whole are like 55% white, compared to the country as a whole at 62-63% white. It's not that much of a difference, and certainly doesn't explain the full discrepancy (maybe 5 points in the margin at most).

Actually, the voting population is 70-72% white, so it does make somewhat of a difference.

Coming back to this from earlier: from the looks of exit polling, it'd appear that 18-29 year-old voters were about 63% white in 2016*, compared to 70% white for all voters - like I thought, the gap is still identical to the gap in the two groups' total populations.

*(Exit polls show white 18-29 as 12% of voters, black 18-29 as 3%, latino 18-29 as 3% + I took 1% from the all-age "other" category and assumed they were 18-29 as well based on likely demographic breakdown of younger voters).
12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Fox News' Jesse Waters: I like how Ivanka is speaking into that "mic" on: April 26, 2017, 07:30:43 am
He's always been a dull pig and a douche, but also irrelevant (perhaps more so now that every other pig at Fox is getting fired; he's surely on the verge of getting his own primetime show I guess at this point).
13  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Harvard Public Opinion Project: A Lost Generation for the GOP? on: April 26, 2017, 07:27:10 am
Kind of an obvious point, but a big reason why this generation doesn't like Republicans (Trump especially) is because they're incredibly racially and ethnically diverse. Hispanics, Asians, and blacks don't like him. And the best possible result Trump got among 18-29 white voters was 48% to Hillary's 43%. And that's the best result I've seen so far.

According to roper, George Bush tied Al Gore with 18-24 year olds...so the idea that the youth have always being incredibly Democratic isn't the case.

Millennials as a whole are like 55% white, compared to the country as a whole at 62-63% white. It's not that much of a difference, and certainly doesn't explain the full discrepancy (maybe 5 points in the margin at most).

Actually, the voting population is 70-72% white, so it does make somewhat of a difference.

I'm of course using comparable numbers (total population) for the two groups, so you wouldn't need to know that necessarily (Jacobin). The only possible difference one might consider is that older Latinos tend to be disproportionately non-citizen while younger Latinos are disproportionately citizens; this might affect the discrepancy between population, voter registration and actual voters for each group, but again, not by a huge amount to make an argument that effectively says "Millennials are so Democratic just because of non-whites".

Even Millennial white voters are about 20 points more Democratic than white voters as a whole.
14  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Harvard Public Opinion Project: A Lost Generation for the GOP? on: April 26, 2017, 02:51:27 am
Kind of an obvious point, but a big reason why this generation doesn't like Republicans (Trump especially) is because they're incredibly racially and ethnically diverse. Hispanics, Asians, and blacks don't like him. And the best possible result Trump got among 18-29 white voters was 48% to Hillary's 43%. And that's the best result I've seen so far.

According to roper, George Bush tied Al Gore with 18-24 year olds...so the idea that the youth have always being incredibly Democratic isn't the case.

Millennials as a whole are like 55% white, compared to the country as a whole at 62-63% white. It's not that much of a difference, and certainly doesn't explain the full discrepancy (maybe 5 points in the margin at most).
15  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: A Funny Thing Happened On the Way to the June 2013 Presidential Election on: April 25, 2017, 09:32:42 pm
If you do another one, I will be very happy

Honestly they should have put me out to pasture years ago - I'm too low-energy these days to keep up with whatever is considered to be hoopla, because...

It's been one long decline from here Tongue

I know - SAD!
16  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Crusader Polling - June 2017 Presidential Election on: April 25, 2017, 09:31:36 pm
Definitely DFW Liberty Lover. Anyone who is even slightly more to the right than Jill Stein should follow in my foot steps.


17  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: President dfwlibertylover/ Vice President Goldwater for Re-election! on: April 25, 2017, 09:30:52 pm


18  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Clyde/Siren for President/VP • Together we can make Atlasia better on: April 25, 2017, 07:42:17 am
It's always been a tradition of mine (largely because of my long tenure as Chair) to hold off on endorsements until any potential primary has concluded, but you'll definitely have my full endorsement and support in the General!
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump Congratulates Veteran for Receiving the Purple Heart on: April 25, 2017, 07:32:24 am
Yeah, he probably didn't mean to be a jackass about it, but...it's just another indicator in a long line of them that shows Trump doesn't know the first f[inks]ing thing about the military, what servicemembers experience, how it operates, what sacrifice means, etc.

Especially in conjunction with the fact that he obviously only did this so publicly to give frothing-at-the-mouth nationalists a huge Freedom Boner in the wake of his plummeting approval ratings, it's fair game to criticize.

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20  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: A Funny Thing Happened On the Way to the June 2013 Presidential Election on: April 25, 2017, 07:13:20 am
B-E-A-U-T-I-F-U-L tbh

I still think, for the most part - after all this time - that June '13 was the most exciting election I've ever seen in the game. I'm forgetting a couple of others right now that I know were fun, but this one was just awesome all the way through!
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Swings to Trump among white Obama voters on: April 25, 2017, 06:15:44 am
"Those CNN exit polls show implausible levels of support for Trump with Hispanic voters"

"Hurr durr this CNN exit poll shows Obama is popular with 2016 voters"

Obama was unpopular for most of his second term until his two most likely replacements emerged, who most Americans found even more detestable (thus making the incumbent look good by comparison).

You can scrutinize sub-samples in exit polling without calling into question the broader accuracy of the overall results. Discrepancies in 2016 Latino voting prefs and exit polls are likely (mostly) explainable by MoEs in the end; even if not, sampling Latino opinions has always been a hell of a lot more difficult than sampling the country at-large. We've seen it in polling for several cycles, in ways that have never existed in polling for the country as a whole. I don't think it's a stretch to say this could also affect exit polling. However, he's implying that there was some sort of huge backlash specifically because of things Obama did that wouldn't at all be explainable with a comparable discrepancy in exit polling.

As far as the second point: so? From what he's implying, Trump's approvals should have went up, because he was spewing a contrary view to Obama with all of the noxious talking points on issues like that: the ones they supposedly wanted to hear en masse, according to him. There's a pretty good overlap between what made Trump unlikable and his opinions/statements on those issues. Yet they not only failed to improve his standing, but they made Obama's approvals increase as a result?

I totally get what you're saying here and don't necessarily disagree with your statement alone, but I just don't buy it in conjunction with his argument ("these Obama policies made Obama unpopular, which then made a bunch of people vote for Trump while simultaneously developing a better opinion of Obama").
22  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Does Blair really have to lock threads so damn often? :P on: April 25, 2017, 05:32:30 am
Why drag me into this lol I didn't even comment. I did that because he tried to expel Santander based on labor propaganda, I also apologized to him the same day, heat of the moment

It's not really a matter of wanting to "drag you into this": I posted it because multiple Feds felt this way at the time (I recall hearing it in the IRC chatrooms; a matter of untrustworthiness/disloyalty) and the reasons you gave are very poignant and line up perfectly with what has been offered here tonight as justification - and they certainly don't seem to be indicative of "I did it solely because he went after Santander". But I also posted it because PiT is being silly and he knows it.
23  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Does Blair really have to lock threads so damn often? :P on: April 25, 2017, 05:18:12 am
    tl;dr AZ is being purged for not voting the right way. RIP AZ.

Since the Federalists have been such close working colleagues as of late with the person in question, I look forward to that totally legitimate, well-founded trust, adoration and concern you guys have for him resulting in an invitation to join, along with electing him to office multiple times and maybe even a leadership position for him. After all, you guys never tried to expel him for doing the same kinds of things, right?

I motion to expel 1184AZ from the Federalist Party. It appears to me that he is a double agent sent from Labor to gain key Federalist information, he frequently pokes and prods in areas where he shouldn't and when things don't go his way accuses others of "manipulating him". I will not let this intrusion stand.

I'm not going to second this motion, but the way AZ has behaved lately raises a few eyebrows at best.
24  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Does Blair really have to lock threads so damn often? :P on: April 25, 2017, 05:12:07 am
do you guys have to argue about pre-reset stuff in every thread

And when Yankee gets nostalgic he tends to engage in revisionist history
25  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Does Blair really have to lock threads so damn often? :P on: April 25, 2017, 04:15:34 am
Labor can maybe return to the thing that made it great: a tight-knit group of friends and fellowship that always had each others' back and didn't worry about their "friendships" on the other side of the aisle when casting a ballot.

Unless of course the plotting of said tight nit group with a group of radicals third partiers potentially threatened to blow up the game right as an incumbent Laborite was leaving office as the first Labor President. You had his back all right, you grab him by the back and tossed him under the bus.

It's really sad that you keep harping about one little thing from 4 years ago that - in this case - had absolutely no impact on what's being discussed here. It also wasn't nearly as dramatic or earth-ending as you're painting it to be, nor did it actually ever harm the reputation or image of our esteemed President in the eyes of anybody (except apparently you, since you always cite it).

Roll Eyes

You seem to ignore inconvenient truths for the sake of the narrative. But by all means, lets not let facts get in the way now.

It was still a collaboration with a bunch of non-Laborites (including even a Fed or two), contrary to the interests of someone who had to that point always been a Laborite (since that became a thing), which is kind of the crux of what you complain about. But you always seem to ignore that incident when raving about third parties, defections, disloyalty or whatnot.

Yes - amazingly! - there was a consensus across party lines even then that something needed to happen, because portions of the game were dead and overdue for a re-haul. So we acted, and we acted bigly, and inevitably, it did pay off.

OK, now let's talk about how you enabled Hagrid and others' selfish hostage-taking of the game reform package for 3 years - despite supposedly supporting it - until the game nearly dissolved before coming off of your perch, and then we'll talk about who's the bigger terrorist.



Anyway, nobody cares about a history lesson, Yankee, so how about you and I stop rambling about events that virtually nobody cares about anymore and let this thread be about what it was supposed to be about (political opportunism in the present)?
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