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1  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Georgia's Very Own Megathread! on: August 19, 2014, 11:09:09 pm
Georgia now 50th in unemployment
2  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: August Senate Election - Tracker/Discussion Thread. REGIONS VOTE ON BICAMERALISM on: August 19, 2014, 10:44:10 pm
It needs to pass in three-quarters of the regions; since 3/5 is only 60%, ratification requires 4 regions.
3  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: Northeast Voting Booth: The Bicameral Birthing Amendment on: August 19, 2014, 10:41:50 pm
Aye
4  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Angus King accepts the Ice Bucket Challenge on: August 19, 2014, 10:28:23 pm
Didn't Michelle Nunn also do this?

Yep

And awesome video, Angus.
5  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Lumine playing politics wih Tyrion's nomination for VP on: August 19, 2014, 11:26:13 am
Many on the right voted for an administration that they imagined would be considerably less left-wing than the one we have. I don't know why you are all so shocked and appalled that they now seem to be lashing out at it.

This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. Are you implying that individuals can retroactively alter their votes? TPP also voted for Lumine; do we get to recall him because he changed parties mid-term and didn't do or serve exactly as implied? If not, then guess what: there's always the next election!

Are you suggesting that voting for someone compels a person to slavishly follow their every desire, come what may? You are suggesting the opposition does not have the right to oppose the government.

For all the hubabaloo about the fact DemPGH was elected let us also member the Senate is also elected by the people, last I checked. Being elected, as you all mention, doesn't give one some sort of carte blanche. Which this administration has increasingly acted like it has a right to.

Again, I must ask a seemingly ridiculous question: are we in a parliamentary democracy? If not, then the two have nothing to do with one another in terms of a singular mandate. I still don't understand your point, as the majority of regions elected Labor representation to the Senate, the two at-large Labor candidates who won Senate seats in the past election ranked #1 and #2 in number of preferences, and a majority of voters elected a Labor President and Labor Vice-President understanding full good and well that there were 5 Labor Senators at the time and likely to be 5 after the fact.

Also, please cite what exactly DemPGH has overreached on (and before you say anything about the power debate, please make the distinction between a bill and a law).

It's so cute when you go all populist and pretend to love Athenian democracy or some equivalent.

Do believe this nonsensical justification? Your majorities in some category or another don't force Senators to bow to the will of the Labor Parties? Do you seriously believe this? Representatives of three parties- the TPP, Federalist, and the DRs, have come out in opposition. Last I checked there were more people in those parties combined than in Labor.

I'm sorry, but I doubt you'll be short-circuiting this.

Says the authoritarian. By that count, 70/170 does not equal a majority either.

You really need to stop acting like you have some pious high ground in all of this while condemning mine, because you especially are in it just to be obstinate like always. Maybe if the voters had elected NOTA to be VP your argument would make a little more sense.
6  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Lumine playing politics wih Tyrion's nomination for VP on: August 19, 2014, 10:49:17 am
Even by Labor standards this is a particularly far-fetched bit of propaganda. A bill that nationalises 10% of the economy (for no reason!), was unanimously supported by the governing party, championed by the President, only failed at the last minute because two Senators became afraid of looking like TNF, and is to be reintroduced until it passes doesn't constitute overreach?

The bill didn't get the attention it deserved because nobody weighed in on it, and the hand-wringing only began once everybody who lacked involvement decided to care. The nationalization of energy has been in our platform for an entire year - maybe longer? Again, it's up to people if they want to read - this wasn't some surprising development. The broader issue itself isn't something that is vociferously opposed as some here would like to think - the specific legislation is bad legislation, which is why it will be completely restructured to reflect that, and most anyone left of center will ultimately wind up supporting it because that's where the actual ideological balance of the game is.

Overreach can be rejected. It generally is.

So nothing to worry about, eh?

And it's clear why, and I'm afraid I don't think it's some inexcusable atrocity that this nominee has been blocked. It has become clear - from, you know, the countless public statements to that effect, that Labor will continue to overreach and push an extremist agenda through the Senate, most specifically the economically suicidal and deeply unpopular energy nationalisation program, and some Senators don't wish to give Labor an effective majority. That's a reasonable position to take considering the entire party seems on the brink of Nixonian paranoia (we are beset by enemies on all sides, comrades!" and an overwhelming desire to get this "win" at all costs.

No, it's not clear why. Again, I'm waiting for someone to outline all of the crazy stuff that's suddenly been enacted into law and that hasn't been self-filtered by our own caucus, even before all of this wing-flapping started. If we're to talk about paranoia, then let's look at all of these diatribes in which it's implied that there's some sort of vast conspiracy to corral all of our votes into some unified construct that will always shove through the most extreme agenda. Has that happened? No. Have we had effective ability to do that with 5 Senators and a VP for the past two months? Yes. Who's been leading this extremist agenda, pray tell? Is it me, who's been essentially MIA from the game since July? Am I basically telling 1 or 2 Labor Senators to break ranks with the majority each time on bills, just to make sure nobody catches on? Some conspiracy there. If anything, the party is out of step because of a lack of management, and not because of some organized effort. And the "Win at all costs" Labor machine has been helpful to many a folk over time, including yourself.  

It's true that Tyrion's backed down on his support for the bill, but you can see why many Senators are troubled by his previous support and the mere fact that he's a Labor vote, who will, like all Labor Senators are at some point, be pushed into supporting an extreme far-left agenda. All that said, if I were a Senator I'd probably vote to confirm him as Vice-President, but that doesn't mean that there aren't legitimate reasons for others to oppose the nomination. To claim that this rejection - let alone the fall of Windjammer, who lost the support of virtually everyone in the administration - are nothing but expressions of partisanship demeans your credibility.

Of course I will say read my response immediately above this for the refutation of this bogus line of thought. Again, show me this grand conspiracy where any really controversial bill has actually made it through in the past two months - 5 Labor Senators voting AYE plus a Labor Vice-President. It just isn't there, and this is all straw-grasping over one piece of legislation and apparently, my failure to frequent certain outlying precincts enough as of late.

To the far-leftism: you say it like it's a bad thing, or if it's not what we've always been at our core. This is why I find these positions to be rather superficial at such a time. I guess you mean it in some sort of earth-shattering, end-of-the-world type of far-leftism that hasn't ever existed before, but again, there's very little that has been brought up that hasn't been standard platform or policy for a long, long time. The fact that the party can't even agree on major components of what we supposedly stand for ought to tell you how likely it is that there's going to be some sort of MASTER PLAN to overthrow everything that is holy in this game to whomever feels that way.

I still find it absolutely hilarious, though, that you're worried about in-game policy (that admittedly you and I both know has absolutely no tangible effect on the game), yet were just as big of a component as many Laborites were (and in the latter stages, more so) in Rimjob. C'mon now, you're really like the last person who should be trying to act holier than moi, partner-in-crime! Kiss

Labor has been very clear that they do not care about either the will of the (overwhelming majority!) of the public, the opinion of the Senate, or the merit of this power bill. Why they are shocked and appalled that Senators would reject handing them back a working majority is beyond me.

On what issue? Again, taking one instance of a bill and trying to twist it into a pretzel of "nationalization has been rejected" is ludicrous. Most anyone in this game who spoke out against this rendition of the bill and who is left-of-center supports nationalization in some capacity, and I am confident will come to the table on our revised version (which has already been in the works).

And while we're on the subject and as far as "wills" and majorities go, there has only been one party in this game post-dissolution that has managed to win many a majority (or when not, an effective enough of a plurality) in the regions, in the Senate and at the presidential level for more than a few months at a time. If Labor doesn't have a majority or a consensus to lead (especially by virtue of the last two sets of election results), then any of these other parties sure as hell don't, either, and so the criticism is quite moot. So just who's opinion really should be respected at the end of the day? Apparently election results no longer matter.

I see five Senators who blocked this confirmation, not one. While some have been quiet, Senators Yankee, Cassius, Goldwater, and Spiral are not thralls to Lumine.

We can react by throwing a fit, and we can make all kinds of claims about their devious motivations, but I fail to see how this will resolve our conflict. If the opposition Senators have concerns, we have ignored them. And if they wanted a circus, we have given it to them.


I still am holding out hope that someone will change their mind on the matter, but that decision will probably be made irrespective of any of this.
7  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Lumine playing politics wih Tyrion's nomination for VP on: August 19, 2014, 06:55:08 am
Weak. C+.

Perhaps you'd like to elaborate on where else I'm wrong...maybe to do with how the same people are framing this administration? Maybe you'd like to describe how this administration has somehow been oh-so-radical when compared to what was promised, as that seems to be the current talking point? What specific pieces of legislation have been signed into law that fit that criteria?

Apparently, bills debated by the Senate that haven't even passed constitute an extremist overreach by the current administration, and especially the President himself. Or would you disagree with the premise of your peers, as a member of the administration? I certainly hope you'll have an answer, because otherwise, I'd assume that this isn't the debate for you. Cheesy
8  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Lumine playing politics wih Tyrion's nomination for VP on: August 19, 2014, 06:47:07 am
I have the impression that this is only an attack against Lumine and the Federalist Party in view of the At-Large elections, only for personal matters and for an ideological questions.

Not really. If anything, the blatant partisan attack-fest for electoral gain began with the character assassination of windjammer by a certain Senator (which mind you, managed to break him but not public support for him), followed by last-minute outrage led by a certain party's loose cannon over a bill that hardly anyone on the right bothered to read until it was up for a final vote, later sprinkled with some fake number-crunching and now an overtly-political attempt to deny the majority will of the people in the last election from being preserved - and of course, all of the nasty PM and off-site smearing that is totally going on right now but no one's talking about publicly.

Do you actually believe the sh**t you type, Griffin? You know full-well what happened with windjammer, and to invoke that now frankly proves that you're just talking out your ass to score points. The things said in this thread about Lumine are much worse than anything anyone even hinted at about windjammer, so lay off.

Now for the matter at hand. I'm refraining from commenting on the vote, but it's kind of laughable to accuse members of the right for failing to read the bill when the very person we're talking about nominating for VP admitted that he didn't read it closely enough and changed his vote on the issue multiple times.

I mean, if you're gonna go for low-hanging political fruit, do it right, man Tongue. People know your shtick.

I know that reforms were championed by the VP and initially supported, followed by a blatant questioning of the intent of the VP and subsequent unraveling from there. The catalyst is what I'm concerned with and addressing, and not how it ended, for it wouldn't have ended the way it did had the BS spin not come from a side other than mine.

The Right by and large has been silent and apathetic until two weeks before the at-large election, at which point there now seems to be a never-ending stream of so-called controversies and trials of public opinion that are oh-so-important to have suddenly. You're right: I know what low-hanging political fruit looks like - especially the electorally-expedient kind - and it's been your side that has suddenly started jumping up and down incessantly, trying to grab a pair.
9  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2014 Gubernatorial Election Polls / Re: GA-SurveyUSA: Gov. Deal (R) opens up lead on: August 19, 2014, 06:27:13 am
The recent trend is worrisome, but I'll just point the following out:

Poll: 52% Male, 48% Female
2010: 55% Female, 45% Male

Poll: "Atlanta" (metro) - 34% of sample
Size of state: 45%

Poll: 35-49 = Deal 55, Carter 32 (biggest lead of any age group)
2008: 30-44 = Martin 52, Chambliss 45; Obama 56, McCain 44

10  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Lumine playing politics wih Tyrion's nomination for VP on: August 19, 2014, 06:06:07 am
I have the impression that this is only an attack against Lumine and the Federalist Party in view of the At-Large elections, only for personal matters and for an ideological questions.

Not really. If anything, the blatant partisan attack-fest for electoral gain began with the character assassination of windjammer by a certain Senator (which mind you, managed to break him but not public support for him), followed by last-minute outrage led by a certain party's loose cannon over a bill that hardly anyone on the right bothered to read until it was up for a final vote, later sprinkled with some fake number-crunching and now an overtly-political attempt to deny the majority will of the people in the last election from being preserved - and of course, all of the nasty PM and off-site smearing that is totally going on right now but no one's talking about publicly.
11  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Lumine playing politics wih Tyrion's nomination for VP on: August 19, 2014, 03:02:31 am
Many on the right voted for an administration that they imagined would be considerably less left-wing than the one we have. I don't know why you are all so shocked and appalled that they now seem to be lashing out at it.

This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. Are you implying that individuals can retroactively alter their votes? TPP also voted for Lumine; do we get to recall him because he changed parties mid-term and didn't do or serve exactly as implied? If not, then guess what: there's always the next election!

For all the hubabaloo about the fact DemPGH was elected let us also member the Senate is also elected by the people, last I checked. Being elected, as you all mention, doesn't give one some sort of carte blanche. Which this administration has increasingly acted like it has a right to.

Again, I must ask a seemingly ridiculous question: are we in a parliamentary democracy? If not, then the two have nothing to do with one another in terms of a singular mandate. I still don't understand your point, as the majority of regions elected Labor representation to the Senate, the two at-large Labor candidates who won Senate seats in the past election ranked #1 and #2 in number of preferences, and a majority of voters elected a Labor President and Labor Vice-President understanding full good and well that there were 5 Labor Senators at the time and likely to be 5 after the fact.

Also, please cite what exactly DemPGH has overreached on (and before you say anything about the power debate, please make the distinction between a bill and a law).

It's so cute when you go all populist and pretend to love Athenian democracy or some equivalent.



Also, for the masses who condone this treacherous behavior: I realize that you all aren't used to winning all that often and therefore aren't too familiar with the concept of overreaching - in fact, most of the time you go out of your way to avoid articulating anything for fear of doing so - but the perceived "gotcha!" moment you think you have against us for supporting nationalization of energy is going to fade and flip real fast if you go through with this. When I said you guys wouldn't do it, perhaps I should have more carefully phrased it as, "I didn't think you guys would be stupid enough to do it". Remember: even I became GM.
12  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: TN-4: Winnable by Democrats? on: August 19, 2014, 02:36:33 am
Update: So here's what I decided to do with Rutherford. All of the precincts there are numbered (1-1, 1-2; 2-1, 2-2; etc). Since there appears to be the same number of (21) precinct groups in both the election results from 2012 and on the map/in DRA from 2008, I simply grouped each set together and colored all from the same group on the map the same color after adding all of the group's results together. An example from the precinct group beginning with "4":

DRA/Map:
4-1
4-2
4-3
4-4

Election Results, 2012:
4-1 1,038 / 865
4-2 495 / 479
4-3 774 / 579

"4" = 2307 / 1923
"4" = 54.4% / 45.6%
All four precincts on map beginning with "4" are colored with >50% shade


It's crazy to see how close Stewart came to winning Rutherford. He got 47% of the vote. There are many groupings on here where he barely lost and as such, the map looks quite Republican at first glance. A few votes here and there would have produced a much redder-looking Rutherford.



13  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Lumine playing politics wih Tyrion's nomination for VP on: August 18, 2014, 10:50:31 pm
Lumine is taking decisions the Senate used to consider non-partisan and adding partisanship? How terrible. Certainly something you'd never do.

The key difference being that one of them wouldn't try to be partisan while claiming to be doing the exact opposite. Partisanship isn't inherently wrong, but the corrupted cousin that distorts its intent in order to avoid bearing the brunt of its consequences certainly is. Someone has learned well from his mentor.
14  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: asl? m not horny on: August 18, 2014, 11:54:53 am
At his age mine would have been -

19 straight male in College with raging hard-on for any girl that walks by me.

What is wrong with the kids these days and their lack of interest in sex.  Ugh.

Blame the Internet and its atmosphere of instant gratification, or something like that
15  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: The most close race will be in... on: August 17, 2014, 10:27:43 pm
AR
16  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: asl? m not horny on: August 17, 2014, 10:19:22 pm
17  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2014 Senatorial Election Polls / Re: GA-InsiderAdvantage/Opinion Savvy/FOX5: Perdue (R) up 7 on: August 17, 2014, 06:49:00 pm
One apparently needs to register (pay, I assume) for crosstab access, or at least I can't find a free link. Does anyone have the skinny on their polling sample's make-up?

http://opinionsavvy.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/GA-Gen-8.14.14.pdf

Perdue leads by 27 points with 18-29ers?  

Um..........

I still can't see Nunn hitting 50 though, but I think she could still be leading at this point.

I'm not saying Nunn will win, but this poll is absolute garbage, like all IA polls. With such a documented house bias, the only time they're helpful is when they show a Dem heavily in the lead. Crosstabs suggest she's doing worse than Obama with whites.
18  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: RC Poll: Regional Consolidation Poll on: August 17, 2014, 06:38:22 pm
Everybody should do themselves a favor and read the proposed amendment. It is a merely an attaché to the original FTRA and would not go into effect unless FTRA were ratified first at some point in the future. It does not inflate the number of offices and of course to allow for two chambers, it would require a prior reduction of regions to 3 in order to go into effect. This bill does not push through a second chamber automatically nor reduces the regions; it rather requires the FTRA to be passed first by four regions and for the outlined consolidation process in FTRA to be handled prior.

Everybody should also do themselves a favor and inspect who originally voted to pass the 17th Amendment, which allows prior amendments to be brought back up for ratification by the regions subsequent times. The two most prominent recent Federalist chairs both supported it, as did the regions. Perhaps Hagrid thought it could only be used for conservative amendments? Double jeopardy, pshaw.
19  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: TN-4: Winnable by Democrats? on: August 17, 2014, 03:06:50 am
OK, so I did everything except for Rutherford. The precincts in DRA and those in the 2012 election results do not match up enough for me to be able to tell; looks like there have been some splits and some consolidation. Sad

Maury, Rhea and Sequatchie basically had to be drawn by hand. In Maury's case, the boundaries on the original map appear to just barely slice into multiple precincts, so that might need to be checked out, too. I also used a purple shade for one tied precinct.



And comparing to the presidential results...

20  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: TN-4: Winnable by Democrats? on: August 17, 2014, 12:33:20 am
Working on a map right now, Miles, and I'm updating your template as best I can with recent precinct boundary changes.
21  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Opinion of the NBC News Special Report Music on: August 16, 2014, 10:53:10 pm
Always makes me want to go watch Star Wars.
22  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: TN-4: Winnable by Democrats? on: August 16, 2014, 10:14:03 pm
There's actually less common area than I thought between the district Davis represented and the current version. Only about 240K people (34%) in the new 4th were carried over from the old one:



Still, the purple common area gives you a good apples-to-apples comparison. Davis lost the purple area 41/59, which was exactly his districtwide margin. In 2012, DesJarlais carried the purple area 55/45, again, close to his 56/44 overall win.

The current version is less elastic because it has Rutherford County. Davis wouldn't have as much appeal there as in those northern rural counties that were excised.

The old version would have voted 68/30 (!) for Romney. If Davis held that, it would be the most Republican seat held by a Democrat.

I started to make a map of the 2012 House race here after the election. That might be worth picking back up now...

Thanks for that!

I wonder if Stewart will run again in 2016, and is biding his time for another presidential year turnout scenario?

WKRN-TV: Eric Stewart indicted for Insurance Fraud:
http://www.wkrn.com/story/23893564/eric-stewart-indicted-for-insurance-fraud

Winchester Herald-Chronicle: Eric Stewart pleads guilty:
http://www.heraldchronicle.com/?p=12420


f[inks].
23  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: AZ-09: In swing seat, GOP struggling to oust Rep. Sinema on: August 16, 2014, 06:56:25 pm
Primary Colors disagrees. Ed Pastor is the one according to their algorithms that needs to go.
24  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2014 Senatorial Election Polls / Re: GA-InsiderAdvantage/Opinion Savvy/FOX5: Perdue (R) up 7 on: August 16, 2014, 05:47:42 pm
Nunn down by 7 with a 32% black, 55% female sample? LOL
25  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2014 Senatorial Election Polls / Re: GA-InsiderAdvantage/Opinion Savvy/FOX5: Perdue (R) up 7 on: August 16, 2014, 05:45:18 pm
One apparently needs to register (pay, I assume) for crosstab access, or at least I can't find a free link. Does anyone have the skinny on their polling sample's make-up?

http://opinionsavvy.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/GA-Gen-8.14.14.pdf
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