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1  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Atlasian Star on: Today at 04:06:20 pm
What will President Floodwater do in response to this impending tragedy?
2  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Politico/Morning Consult: 58% of Republicans wish Pence was President on: Today at 01:22:56 pm
It's hilarious though that the number of Democrats who prefer Trump exceeds both the number of Democrats who'd prefer Pence and the number of Republicans who prefer Trump.

Must be the "at least Trump is incompetent and threfore can't do that much damage"/"at least Trump isn't a religious zealot" reasoning.

WAVE INSURANCE!
3  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Temporary Headquarters of the Labor Party (Leadership election) on: Today at 01:19:52 pm
Ultimately, this back and forth argument proves why both sides are bad and is the main reason I became an independent again because seriously, both sides are like "you did it first!!!1!!"

And to think I assumed you quit/became an independent because your air conditioner broke again!



Anyway, considering that pretty much everybody arguing in this thread hasn't been around long enough to experience our partisan politics first-hand and considering there was literally only one person to hold the Labor Chairmanship before I did, I probably have more (relevant) perspective than anybody.

It's not uncommon per se for people to become Labor Chair after a short time (I was only four months old when I took on the game's most powerful executive position!). I recall instances of people being brought back to the game after years, merely to step almost instantly into the role. I recall complete nobodies stepping into the role. It's not exactly unprecedented. It may or may not work out, but I can tell you that there's absolutely no correlation between length of time in the game and/or party and the amount of effort a Chair has provided.

To those who are "worried" about what they think precedent suggests, all I have to say is: have fun replacing Potus in 3 weeks.
4  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Mitch McConnell: "Most News is not fake" on: Today at 12:51:45 am
Broken turtle etc etc
5  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: New Register Thread on: August 22, 2017, 01:32:19 pm
Labor
Colorado
6  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Should Trump appoint Bushie to a White House position? on: August 22, 2017, 01:04:04 am
Can you imagine Bushie as Press Secretary or in a role a la Conway and Miller? The defending, deflection and faux outrage would be phenomenal.

"President Trump is sending 200,000 more troops to Afghanistan AND THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT!"

"So you're saying President Trump can't look at the Sun? Is he supposed to go without sunlight for the rest of his life? Is he not allowed to have any fun? Do you want his bones to crumble?"
7  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Man charged with trying to bomb Confederate statue in Houston on: August 21, 2017, 05:59:39 pm
If you're gonna blow up something, maybe assemble the device before you arrive on scene?

>can build bomb materials from scratch, cannot common sense

This is why we keep chemists locked up in the first place.
8  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump approval ratings thread 1.1 on: August 21, 2017, 05:25:58 pm
ARG has historically been a garbage poster, but a "legitimate" polling outfit nonetheless.

Poll of doubtful source, left pathetic

This is a forum where we speak ENGLISH, not Spanish.
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Barack Obama goes to sleep tomorrow night and wakes up January 21st, 2009. on: August 21, 2017, 04:57:32 pm
Some variation of "steamroll the Republicans for the good of the country" and make sure that reapportionment doesn't fall into their hands. Maybe not hollow out the party for his own benefit, either
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Who didn't expect this? (pic) on: August 21, 2017, 02:59:03 pm
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump approval ratings thread 1.1 on: August 21, 2017, 02:10:50 am
It is days like this that show how the heavy heavy dem worship of this board clouds some objective discussion. It is absolutely true that trump has bad numbers in the three closest states in 2016, but how in the heck are we to assume that the democratic party has recovered?

As has already been pointed out, who care?

It's not just about persuasion. Relatively speaking, midterms are about two things: turnout and anti-incumbent sentiment. When you have indicators like this...

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 We continue to do poll after poll finding dreadful approval numbers for GOP Senators, and a huge part of it is Trump voters disliking them

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Even the ones he hasn't attacked personally, it seems his attacks on McConnell and on Congress generally are dragging them down

...that exposes a huge vulnerability for the GOP in an election where Democrats are going to be motivated to vote against Trump, while Trump voters unhappy with Congress do not see him as being on the ballot and won't be nearly as motivated if they're upset with their members of Congress. If that effect is even halfway strong and you have a respectable share of swing voters decide to vote against the GOP, it's over.
12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump approval ratings thread 1.1 on: August 21, 2017, 02:07:26 am
[snip]

Approve of Trump: 43.4%
Oppose Impeachment: 43.5%


Disapprove of Trump: 55.1%
Support Impeachment: 53.0%

Basically, the only people who oppose impeachment are the ones who approve of him. Only a tiny handful of those who disapprove of him are against removing him from office. Surely this is unprecedented?
13  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: August 2017 House Election on: August 20, 2017, 08:57:53 pm
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES - NINE SEATS


[1] Governor Illiniwek of Illinois
Labor Party



[2] JGibson of Illinois
Labor Party



[3] vivaportugalhabs of Kansas
Labor Party



[4] LongLiveRock of Colorado
Labor Party



[5] Peebs of North Carolina
Labor Party



[6] Potus2036 of West Virginia
Federalist Party


14  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Do Democrats come out of 2018 with twenty or more governorships? on: August 20, 2017, 05:35:43 pm
I'm not going to go out on a limb and make a specific projection, but I will point out that in the past 3 midterms, there has been a tendency for the insurgent party to enjoy a relative sweep of the board, even if by narrow margins in many contests.

In 2006, 2010 and 2014, there were many seats up for grabs at both the gubernatorial and senatorial level; the path for the GOP looked theoretically very strong in 2006, as it did for Democrats in both 2010 and (especially) 2014 in terms of potential pickups. At the end of the day, though, the map tilted in favor of the party not holding the White House - even if by tiny margins in many contests.

Ultimately, it wouldn't be "shocking" per se more Dems to win sixty percent or more of the gubernatorial seats up next year. Several would be by the skin of their teeth, but a win's still a win.
15  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Are the Dakotas more similar to Minnesota or Montana? on: August 19, 2017, 11:35:22 pm
Western Dakota is more montanally conservative while Eastern Dakota is more minnesotally liberal.
16  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump approval ratings thread 1.1 on: August 19, 2017, 10:26:04 pm
Oh I understand his amount of room in CA. I was just asking why is his approval from the Republicans so low.

Pretty much anywhere where there is a clear and overwhelming majority party, the minority party is going to skew in its direction from a relative standpoint. Democrats in Oklahoma are going to be more conservative as a whole than Democrats nationally; Republicans in California will be more liberal. I've always assumed that this is the collective manifestation of the most basic of political survival mechanisms.
17  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: Fremont Voting Booth : August 2017 elections on: August 19, 2017, 09:42:53 pm
FOR SENATE (CLASS II)
[1] HenryWallaceVP of Iowa

FOR PRIME MINISTER
[1] Harry S Truman of North Dakota

FOR HOUSE OF COMMONS
[1] Pericles of Minnesota
[2] Canis of California
[3] Kamala of South Dakota
[4] Write-in: Adam Griffin
18  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Do you actually favour impeachment of Donald Trump? on: August 19, 2017, 06:54:36 pm
NO
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Missouri state senator wishes for Trump assassination on: August 19, 2017, 06:33:44 pm
Yeah, the reality is that Nadal isn't in any danger of losing her seat in a general election, and very likely in no danger of losing her seat in a primary. Everybody should just stop complaining about her and stop trying to be better than the GOP or whatever. There is no real recourse to push her out of office and she obviously knows that.

Uhh Democrats should make it clear that they oppose the advocacy of political violence.

Can you provide an actual reason for that beyond the meaningless moral drivel of "slippery slope!", "we're better than the GOP" or "thoughtful voters actually care at all about this (they don't)"?

Actual reason: advocating political violence is morally wrong.
Another actual reason: if political violence were normalised the left would suffer disproportionately.

I'm not saying advocate for it: I'm saying don't be proactive in spilling your guts about how sorry we all are that somebody did advocate for it. Why should every unrelated Muslim apologize when there's a terrorist attack conducted by a Muslim? Why should every person of color be forced to prove that "they're one of the good ones" based on awful stereotypes others carry? Why should anybody left-of-center grovel when somebody makes threats, especially considering that their ideological opponents are the ones disproportionately carrying them out in the first place?

It is one of many indicators and reasons why - to which you alluded - the American Left is objectively weaker in every sense and more susceptible to being violently attacked in the first place. When the majority of this country who comprises the left-of-center decides to stop propping up a culture of second-place, victim-style, submissive "we're better [weaker] than that" attitudes, it'll no longer be a problem. It can start by people not feeling the need to proactively apologize, criticize or disavow things and people in their own hemisphere to whom they have no otherwise meaningful relation.
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Democrats only: Who would you choose for president from one of these republicans on: August 19, 2017, 05:28:34 pm
Trump, as would any Democrat wanting even a slight chance at undoing the structural reapportionment disadvantages at the state and federal level any time in the next 30 years.
21  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Missouri state senator wishes for Trump assassination on: August 19, 2017, 03:16:36 pm
Yeah, the reality is that Nadal isn't in any danger of losing her seat in a general election, and very likely in no danger of losing her seat in a primary. Everybody should just stop complaining about her and stop trying to be better than the GOP or whatever. There is no real recourse to push her out of office and she obviously knows that.

Uhh Democrats should make it clear that they oppose the advocacy of political violence.

Can you provide an actual reason for that beyond the meaningless moral drivel of "slippery slope!", "we're better than the GOP" or "thoughtful voters actually care at all about this (they don't)"?

How come when Democrats say stupid things, they have to apologize, but when Republicans do it they get elected

Because we are objectively weaker in every sense of the word: the American Left is an emasculated, spineless, skinny jean-wearing joke. Hence the discussion I'm having above and hence why comparable threads over GOP politicians' statements never unfold like this. They know to double-down and lock arms; we voluntarily break our own links and give their attacks cover. It's also why one side is proactively and disproportionately engaged in physical violence against their opponents.
22  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump approval ratings thread 1.1 on: August 19, 2017, 02:25:21 pm

I wish California secession would gain more traction. When will Californians realize the rest of the country hates them and they have no real representation.

Dafuq?

I think Beet is day drinking

Trump is popular and people are lying to pollsters. California doesn't count. Right wing Twitter is actually correct about this.

Yes, yes, because surging from 35% to 38% approval is just spectacular.

That includes California.

OK...? So if he's at 38% nationally and 25% in CA, that means he's at 39.5% outside of CA. Which states get discounted next?
23  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Missouri state senator wishes for Trump assassination on: August 19, 2017, 02:21:46 pm
Yeah, the reality is that Nadal isn't in any danger of losing her seat in a general election, and very likely in no danger of losing her seat in a primary. Everybody should just stop complaining about her and stop trying to be better than the GOP or whatever. There is no real recourse to push her out of office and she obviously knows that.
24  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: 2:15 alarm, 2 Trains, and Bus get her to work by 7 a.m. on: August 19, 2017, 02:09:53 pm
I just assumed this was ATL.
25  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Is this ok? on: August 19, 2017, 01:28:13 pm

All of my grandparents are dead: I'm all out of sympathy.
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