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1  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Racism and talk of religious war: Trump staff's online posts on: Today at 03:52:55 am
Just for kicks, I'd love to see some of the posts Clinton staffers post on Christian Fundamentalists.

And, yes, we need immigration control.  "If you can make it across the river, you're home free!" isn't a lawful immigration policy.

Literally from the same article...

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The AP also reviewed the public social media accounts of more than three dozen employees of Hillary Clinton's far larger campaign staff and found nothing as inflammatory. One staffer said Trump's style of speaking reminded him of a roommate who had taken too many hallucinogenic mushrooms. AP also reviewed images attached to more than 19,000 stolen internal emails from the Democratic National Committee for racially or religiously inflammatory memes, finding nothing of note.

Ouch. Too bad he doesn't care about consistency or credibility or he'd have to respond to this with an apology.
2  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Johnson Supports Carbon Tax to Fight Climate Change on: August 23, 2016, 09:53:33 am
Ideologically this isn't actually strange. If there is one tax libertarians should be ok with it's probably this.
3  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: An open letter to atlas forum on: August 23, 2016, 07:07:31 am
At the European Debate Championship my friend had a total blackout and got it into his head that the president of Venezuela was called Harambe. This spawned a lot of amusement.
4  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Racist Moderators on: August 23, 2016, 03:47:23 am
Ag's point, for those of you who don't get it, is that "white" is a pretty arbitrary category whose definition can change pretty radically depending on both when and where you live.

On a different note, trying to explain the significance that nationality had in the Soviet Union (or even that "Jew" was generally seen as an ethnic rather than religious category) to Americans is always a weirdly difficult task, and I have no idea why ag resorted to using Soviet nationality to make his point when there're a million much better examples of his point closer to home that wouldn't require explanations of Soviet ID cards that Americans aren't generally familiar with.

I think beyond that he likes to use racial categories as stand-ins for positions in the social hierarchy. So that rather than referencing an ethnic or racial group white simply designates "privileged oppressors" or something along those lines. There was an equally angry debate when he used Jewish in a similar way a while back.

5  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Racist Moderators on: August 23, 2016, 03:44:37 am
It's kind of sad how no one seems to get AG's point even after 3 pages. It isn't that difficult (especially if one has read his previous discussions on related topics).

Suffice it to say it isn't a racist point. Duh.

Nobody understands what AG is on about most of the time.

I wouldn't extrapolate understanding from myself if I were you.
6  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: WaPo: Indian-American that was Booted from Rally Not Voting for Trump on: August 23, 2016, 03:42:31 am
As a lifelong conservative Republican who voted for Bush 04, McCain 08, and Romney 12, I am so utterly disgusted and embarrassed of my party for nominating Trump.  This election has been so depressing.  Trump is going to do to latinos and young voters what Goldwater's nomination did to black voters: alienate those voters from the GOP indefinitely.
lol at the myth that the GOP lost black voters because of Goldwater and not FDR.

Richard Nixon got 30% of the black vote in 1960. Do the math.
That isn't exactly a strong number and it doesn't address the myth that the GOP was ever truly competitive with black voters post FDR. Eisenhower was the peak when he won 39%.

So if you don't fight to (near) parity for a certain demographic group you abandon it completely.
The Democrats thank you.
No? I'm a huge proponent of the GOP reaching out to black voters, and Trump's populist message would have great appeal to many black voters (who are the biggest victims of illegal immigration's ill effects) if he wasn't so loud, obnoxious, and condescending. Not to mention his silence on criminal justice reform, insistence on siding with law enforcement in all controversial situations, and his use of the phrase "all lives matter."

I'm just noting that the GOP lost the black vote long before Goldwater came around, and the War on Drugs and other explicitly anti-black measures taken by our party (which of course the #NeverTrump Romney/Rubio/Cruz/Bush factions of the GOP implemented, supported and still support) have not made up the deficit.

You're making no sense. The Republicans were competitive among black voters during the 50s and early 60s. Post-Goldwater they never were.

But I guess you would find a Republican collapse among Hispanic voters from the Bush figures of 40% down to 10% totally inconsequential as well?
7  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: CIA Veteran Evan McMullin launching presidential bid on: August 22, 2016, 03:02:07 pm
Wait, what. How did he fail to get on in Tennessee of all places??
8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: Monmouth Poll: Clinton +4 in Ohio on: August 22, 2016, 02:24:01 pm
Ohio was R +1 in 2012 but will probably be more so this year if previous polls are correct. So this is consistent with Clinton being in mid to high single digits.
9  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Hi everyone :) on: August 22, 2016, 05:59:45 am
Hello Wink my name is CheerfulCharger.. happy to be here Smiley

Don't talk to LLR, he's a hater. And I also would like to welcome you here. My advice: Don't let anyone sway you or change your opinion.

What an inane thing to say.
10  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Racist Moderators on: August 22, 2016, 03:20:54 am
It's kind of sad how no one seems to get AG's point even after 3 pages. It isn't that difficult (especially if one has read his previous discussions on related topics).

Suffice it to say it isn't a racist point. Duh.
11  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will Trump's performance among working class voters be enough? on: August 19, 2016, 01:33:05 pm
I'll just note that independents weren't a part of the Obama coalition since Romney won them.

To answer the question, I doubt it. Significant numbers of poor white voters are reasonably gonna vote Democrat due to economics either way and Republicans already do well in the demographic.

(I do think, btw, that this idea of Trump appealing to white working class is a little overblown. The converse of PR's post is that there are plenty of reasonably well off people who aren't well educated. This is especially true in the older generation. All studies I've seen indicate that Trump voters are pretty well off financially)

Ultimately it's difficult to see doubling down on a small minority of the electorate as a viable strategy while you alienate the large majority.
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: What % of the African American vote will Trump receive? on: August 19, 2016, 12:13:13 pm
I think another factor is Johnson doing reasonably well. Polls indicate that Trump is extremely unpopular with black voters, even by Republican standards. So while I used to think he'd improve on Romney's numbers I now think he'll be mid single digits.
13  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: August 2016 House of Representative Elections on: August 19, 2016, 08:27:50 am


HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES - NINE SEATS


[ 4 ] 1184AZ of Washington
Labor Party



[ 13 ] Abraham Washington of New York
United Alternative



[ 9 ] ClarkKent of Connecticut
Federalist Party



[ 12 ] Classic Conservative of Texas
Federalist Party



[ 5 ] Clyde1998 of Massachusetts
Labor Party



[ 2 ] dfwlibertylover of Texas
Federalist Party



[ 1 ] evergreen of Illinois
Labor Party



[ 10 ] JohanusCalvinusLibertas of Indiana
Federalist Party



[ 8 ] NeverAgain of Virginia
Labor Party




[  7] Peebs of North Carolina
Labor Party




[ 11 ] Santander of Alabama
Federalist Party



[ 6 ] Shua of Alaska
Freedom and Solidarity Party



[ 3 ] Talleyrand of Texas
Nationalist Party



14  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Racist Moderators on: August 14, 2016, 05:03:18 am
I think you guys are sort of misreading that statement. Chill out.
15  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump: We'll only lose PA if "certain sections of the state, they cheat" on: August 13, 2016, 08:50:19 am
I've never known a group of people with a grander sense of entitlement than Trump and his supporters.

Edit to add: I can somewhat understand their misinformed belief that an election won by Democrats must have been stolen. There are two Americas at this point: one is urban/suburban and educated, the other is rural and uneducated. The latter is Trump's base of support. They live so deeply in their little bubble with no experience of the outside world aside from FOX News, right-wing radio, and Drudge Report that they could not possibly comprehend that the majority of Americans reject Trump and his beliefs, and do not hold such angry, bigoted viewpoints as them.

Eh the base of the Republican Party is more suburban BA-educated managerial/clerical roles and pensioners. They aren't the stereotypical Cletus-the-yokel because those sort of people are unreliable votes.

I wasn't referring to the base of the Republican Party, but rather to Trump's base. Those suburban BA-educated managerial/clerical voters are part of that urban/suburban and educated America to which I was referring. The "yokels," as can be observed through the hostility of Trump's base to the National Review and Wall Street Journal section of the Republican Party, are disconnected from them as well and have been raging against them this election cycle too.

Obviously suburban professionals are the types of Republicans swinging against Trump in this election while the rural poor seem to like him more. But there are going to be plenty of both voting Trump this election, based on what we know so far.
16  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Be honest -- How do you feel about the upcoming minority-majority? on: August 13, 2016, 03:36:13 am
     I expect that the definition of "white" will change so that whites continue to be the majority, so whatever. The list of "white" ethnicities has been subject to plenty of change over the years.

I tend to agree with this.

The one thing I do hope is that we don't end up with a lot of people who speak poor English.

But you already live in America! Huh

17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump: We'll only lose PA if "certain sections of the state, they cheat" on: August 13, 2016, 03:33:15 am
I've never known a group of people with a grander sense of entitlement than Trump and his supporters.

Edit to add: I can somewhat understand their misinformed belief that an election won by Democrats must have been stolen. There are two Americas at this point: one is urban/suburban and educated, the other is rural and uneducated. The latter is Trump's base of support. They live so deeply in their little bubble with no experience of the outside world aside from FOX News, right-wing radio, and Drudge Report that they could not possibly comprehend that the majority of Americans reject Trump and his beliefs, and do not hold such angry, bigoted viewpoints as them.

- You conflate rural and urban people with educational level and attainment, utterly dumb.
- You place rural people as somehow being educated, utterly degrading
- You indicate educational level, with a self worth of a human being, this should be obvious, as you used uneducated,then continue to say they are not aware of other people's viewpoint, and are bigoted.
- Your generalisaiton, that rural people are bigoted, is also dumb.
- The indication that rural people, do not understand the world around them, is dumb.
- Saying that rural people, or people who vote for trump, and don't comprehend the wider world, is dumb (for lack of a better word), without realising underlying reasons, to why they vote for Trump.

You have got to be trolling now.
18  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump: We'll only lose PA if "certain sections of the state, they cheat" on: August 13, 2016, 01:58:53 am
I've never known a group of people with a grander sense of entitlement than Trump and his supporters.

Edit to add: I can somewhat understand their misinformed belief that an election won by Democrats must have been stolen. There are two Americas at this point: one is urban/suburban and educated, the other is rural and uneducated. The latter is Trump's base of support. They live so deeply in their little bubble with no experience of the outside world aside from FOX News, right-wing radio, and Drudge Report that they could not possibly comprehend that the majority of Americans reject Trump and his beliefs, and do not hold such angry, bigoted viewpoints as them.

pls stop. kk. smarrt overlord

Do you have anything substantive to add?

except that you're in your own liberal burgoise bubble.

If you're gonna claim not to be an uneducated hick, checking the spelling of bourgeois would probably help your credibility. Tongue
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Was dudeabides right all along? on: August 12, 2016, 05:45:58 pm
Would the base come out to vote for Jeb after Trump humiliated him so thoroughly?

I mean, if Jeb had somehow won he obviously wouldn't look so humiliated. Tongue
20  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Time to ban "Bronz" on: August 12, 2016, 05:23:51 pm
I rest my case.

Come on man, I'm sorry. Really? I'm not a bad guy.

Your views are awful. You are welcome to believe what you want, but you shouldn't be surprised of the backlash when you air those opinions in public.

Maybe you don't think your views are racist, but just because you don't see it that way doesn't mean they aren't racist. Ignorance doesn't let you off the hook. All it means is that you are an ignorant racist instead of just a racist.

I apologize then. I will speak out when I see fit. I am not sold on BLM. I don't have to agree with them. This is not North Korea.

No, it's a private forum with its own rules.

It's amusing that you think it's fair to leave black people without any legal protection whatsoever yet you yourself deserve to post your racist BS without repercussions. What a despicable person. And I suspect deep down you know that you're a bad person.
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: It's election night on: August 12, 2016, 04:53:29 pm
It feels weird, but I guess the answer really is Pennsylvania.

To be fair, the recent polls point towards New Hampshire being the pivotal state but Pennsylvania is so much bigger.
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will Bernie Sanders win Vermont? on: August 12, 2016, 04:37:31 pm
what
23  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: August 2016 Fremont Senate Voting Booth on: August 12, 2016, 04:35:00 pm
Cris
24  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Politico Friday Cover: "Gary Johnson Has a Plan" on: August 12, 2016, 04:21:41 pm
It can be both their MOST realistic plan and a totally unrealistic plan at the same time. Tongue
25  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Time to ban "Bronz" on: August 12, 2016, 03:10:12 pm
Anybody else now thinking that maybe bronz's obsession with "soothing Midwesterners" was code for something much darker?

Yes. Ugh.

I totally missed this. What's this about soothing Midwesterners?
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