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1  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: California Adopts 'Yes Means Yes' Sexual Assault Rule on: September 30, 2014, 06:31:21 pm
Apart from the obvious piece of misogynist trash that has already been repeatedly called out, I want to point out that prevalence of rape has little to do with people having casual sex or drinking. Lots of rape happens in relationships and this tired old myth is just a more subtle way of victim blaming. It's perfectly fine for people to have casual sex and it is even safe for lots of participants (i.e. men).

I think this is likely a step in the right direction, mostly because it might change attitudes. A classic parallel is the law against child-beating.
2  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Sweden election results thread (Sept 14, 2014) on: September 30, 2014, 04:48:15 pm

Also, the Greens are giving up their opposition to armed forces and pensions. The SAP is dropping their opposition to labour migration. I'm pretty happy so far. Cheesy

The Greens are opposed to pensions?

It was asked earlier and answered in reply 277.

Sorry, didn't realise we'd started a new page.

What are the main ambitions/policies of the new government?

To stay in power, i.e. not have any ambitions or policies. Tongue

Well, in theory they want to improve education and employment I think. They're making high school compulsory for some unfathomable reason. At least I hope they're not sticking to the insane idea they proposed a year back of cutting off high school dropouts from all welfare, leaving them to starve to death on the sidewalk. Tongue

When it comes to employment it's less clear but hopefully we'll get a an industry chancellor. I say hopefully because it's a badass name.

Unfathomable? I think it's unfathomable to just give up on students and treat it as a fact that some students will always be tired and disinterested in schoolwork and can't be helped by competent teachers. Unemployment amongst those without high school degrees is several times higher than the rest of the population so on the labour market today having a high school degree is a de facto requirement to get a job. 15 year olds are also not mature enough to make such a major decision in regards to their future, god knows I have several friends stuck in unemployment today who say their biggest regret is having been so stupid by dropping out of school.

What about vocational training and apprenticeships? High school (even the semi-practical programs) is not for everyone.

Well the previous government removed the requirement that all high school programs should make students qualified to apply for college studies and instituted some 2-year vocational programs, however all of those have fallen far below expectations with fewer and fewer people applying to them for every year since they were created. It's been tried but it failed.

I am not saying that we shouldn't address high school drop-outs. I am saying that forcing them to go to school is probably not the solution. I think we should rather invest in teaching our kids stuff earlier on.

I taught failing pupils who were 14-15 and some of them couldn't read or do basic arithmetic. Saying they have to attend high school a year later isn't going to help anyone.
3  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Oxford School of Absurdity, Ignorance, and Bad Posts IV on: September 30, 2014, 09:06:11 am
It's unpopular to say but I really do believe there are a lot of misguided women who would allow themselves to get "raped" rather than just say "no" even though saying "no" would likely stop many of the "rapists". Because if they said "no" and the guy did stop, then they wouldn't be able to complain about the omnipresent "rape culture"

...

Even by Atlas standards that's pretty fcked up. The guy seriously thinks women would like to be raped so that they have something to whine about? How little empathy must one have to believe something like that.
4  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Sweden election results thread (Sept 14, 2014) on: September 30, 2014, 08:23:09 am

Also, the Greens are giving up their opposition to armed forces and pensions. The SAP is dropping their opposition to labour migration. I'm pretty happy so far. Cheesy

The Greens are opposed to pensions?

It was asked earlier and answered in reply 277.

Sorry, didn't realise we'd started a new page.

What are the main ambitions/policies of the new government?

To stay in power, i.e. not have any ambitions or policies. Tongue

Well, in theory they want to improve education and employment I think. They're making high school compulsory for some unfathomable reason. At least I hope they're not sticking to the insane idea they proposed a year back of cutting off high school dropouts from all welfare, leaving them to starve to death on the sidewalk. Tongue

When it comes to employment it's less clear but hopefully we'll get a an industry chancellor. I say hopefully because it's a badass name.
5  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Sweden election results thread (Sept 14, 2014) on: September 29, 2014, 07:05:31 pm
Amusingly, the new speaker is the guy who said his party had SD's immigration policy way before they did, the deputy speaker is the migration minister who said some weird stuff about blonde and blue eyed people and the 2nd deputy is, well, Björn Söder. Not the best trio to underscore Sweden's tolerance and openness. Tongue

Also, the Greens are giving up their opposition to armed forces and pensions. The SAP is dropping their opposition to labour migration. I'm pretty happy so far. Cheesy
6  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: krazen's son on: September 29, 2014, 04:45:42 pm
Gayness can be cured, the scars of teachers stay forever.
7  General Politics / Economics / Re: opebo was right about a $15/hour minimum wage on: September 29, 2014, 03:49:14 pm
Memphis feels threatened by groups like women and college students. Pretty classic white Southern male that way.

I especially like the idea that the world he inhabits is somehow more real than that of the educated. In reality, the difference between educated and non-educated isn't that the former somehow don't live real lives. They just, you know, got an education.
8  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Petition to demod ag on: September 29, 2014, 01:19:21 pm
It seems to me that the more acerbic the moderator the better they are at moderating.

Huh

People like Al and Joe and Gustaf are (or were) pretty universally regarded as good moderators, while the unpopular mods like inks are (or were) definitely not acerbic.

Al was a good mod because he had a hands off approach and rarely moderated anything on a board that rarely needed moderating, not because he is acerbic. Gustaf is a terrible mod. 

Anyway, the job on economics isn't so much moderating than facilitating a debate and being acerbic is a debate stopper.

I have a hands off approach and rarely moderate anything. It's amusing that you'd think I'm a terrible moderator because there isn't much activity on either of my boards.

Also, lol at this thread. Some people really need to get thicker skins around.
9  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Oxford School of Absurdity, Ignorance, and Bad Posts IV on: September 28, 2014, 07:08:12 pm
Because discussing whether or not a woman is attractive or not means one hates women Roll Eyes By the same logic, all art critics hate art, all movie critics hate movies, all food critics hate food, etc.
A " weird midsection"... " bit boxy"... "on her way to having weight problems"... what is wrong with you people? Perhaps this is the sexist patriarchy the angry people are always going on about.

Dudes discussing women in a male-dominated environment is sexist now?  I thought it was a normal thing guys just do.  Women discuss the physical attractiveness of men all the time!  And didn't I say she had killer t1ts and a beautiful face?

Sentence 1: No, you didn't get it
Sentence 2: lol
Sentence 3: you're still not getting it
Sentence 4: wow, didn't know it was possible to miss the point THIS much. And why self-censor tits? I have no speech.

No, Gustaf, youre just a boring prick who likes to stand on your little cloud of judgment passing life lessons out to all the sinners.  Go ahead and report that.

I don't report a great many posts, I'm not like Opebo and those other cry babies. Smiley

And I think you once again, like other Atlas misogynists, conflate dislike of sexism with dislike of sex. They're very different things and you would probably get more of the latter if you weren't so enamoured with the former.

I'm certainly more of a sinner than a prude and have very little of a judgmental attitude in this realm.

Haha, Memphis talking about misogyny? That is hilarious. If I had ever suggested that "discussing whether or not a woman is attractive or not means one hates women" I'd agree it might have belonged here. As anyone can see from the quoted post there isn't even a hint of that though.

I'll say that anyone who thinks that it's too hard for man to have a career and too easy for women probably is a misogynist. I won't name any names because I know Memphis likes to report those who disagree with him.
10  General Politics / Economics / Re: opebo was right about a $15/hour minimum wage on: September 28, 2014, 06:29:14 pm
This thread is giving me cancer. Sad

Thx for your  input.

I have known economics long enough to know the futility of trying to explain it to anyone who isn't interested in learning. And most people here aren't. This is a thread started by BRTD, referencing Opebo and based on an Upworthy video. What is the point of engaging with it?

Nothing, but why comment if you think its piointless?

Because people should be made aware that they are wrong. Otherwise innocent third parties stumbling upon the thread might think that this is a reasoned discussion based on knowledge or something like that. Tongue

I don't have the time or energy to fight every fruitless battle that falls in my path. I do one every know and then and usually not on economics.
11  General Politics / Economics / Re: opebo was right about a $15/hour minimum wage on: September 28, 2014, 06:22:02 pm
This thread is giving me cancer. Sad

Thx for your  input.

I have known economics long enough to know the futility of trying to explain it to anyone who isn't interested in learning. And most people here aren't. This is a thread started by BRTD, referencing Opebo and based on an Upworthy video. What is the point of engaging with it?
12  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Emma Watson-speech about women's rights in front of UN on: September 28, 2014, 06:09:56 pm
Ernest is being ironic. How is that not obvious?
13  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2014 Senatorial Election Polls / Re: GA-Rasmussen: Perdue+5 on: September 28, 2014, 05:39:22 pm
She's within 5 now? #Comeback

Terri Lynn Land is within five in Michigan, but no one says that's a comeback.

Indeed.  A 2 point Ras lead for Peters is "Safe D" according to DrScholl.  I think Lean/Likely D is still fair, but Safe D is ridiculous when you have multiple polls within the MoE on that race.

Anyways, this is Lean/Likely R.  It's analogous to Michigan for the GOP.

Land is a horrible candidate and that really makes a big difference. Sure, you could claim that Land is really leading and Peters lead is only due to error, but that's not exactly how polling works. Fact of it is, Michigan was a climb to begin with, but with Land being a horrible candidate, it is quite Safe for Democrats.

Sigh......all I was saying is that Michigan is as safe for Democrats only as much as Georgia is safe for Republicans, which is lean/likely D/R, respectively.  Since when did I say that Peter would lose?

You mentioned the margin of error and all I was saying is that you can't really contribute error to Peters lead.

Are you sure you know what a margin of error is in this context?

I am well aware of what margin of error means, thank you very much. I simply don't think a race being "within the margin of error" means that it will necessarily go either way.

I'm still not convinced.
14  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Jennifer Lawrence and many other celebrities... on: September 28, 2014, 04:03:53 pm
It's amusing that you're both acting as if I've never discussed the attractiveness of women in my life. Tongue

But when we do we're misogynists.

Well...if you do it in a misogynist way you're being misogynist. That isn't all that complex. For example, in a context of peoples' privacy being violated it is telling if one decides to make fun of the victims' appearance.
15  General Politics / Economics / Re: opebo was right about a $15/hour minimum wage on: September 28, 2014, 03:28:38 pm
This thread is giving me cancer. Sad
16  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Jennifer Lawrence and many other celebrities... on: September 26, 2014, 05:58:56 am
Discussing the attractiveness of professional models is not misogyny, calm down Gus.

Nice try, but I'm perfectly calm. Just pointing something out. Context also matters, and HockeyDude is pretty established already even if he is no Memphis.

It's amusing that you're both acting as if I've never discussed the attractiveness of women in my life. Tongue
17  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Jennifer Lawrence and many other celebrities... on: September 26, 2014, 05:40:34 am
A " weird midsection"... " bit boxy"... "on her way to having weight problems"... what is wrong with you people? Perhaps this is the sexist patriarchy the angry people are always going on about.

Dudes discussing women in a male-dominated environment is sexist now?  I thought it was a normal thing guys just do.  Women discuss the physical attractiveness of men all the time!  And didn't I say she had killer t1ts and a beautiful face?

Sentence 1: No, you didn't get it
Sentence 2: lol
Sentence 3: you're still not getting it
Sentence 4: wow, didn't know it was possible to miss the point THIS much. And why self-censor tits? I have no speech.

No, Gustaf, youre just a boring prick who likes to stand on your little cloud of judgment passing life lessons out to all the sinners.  Go ahead and report that.

I don't report a great many posts, I'm not like Opebo and those other cry babies. Smiley

And I think you once again, like other Atlas misogynists, conflate dislike of sexism with dislike of sex. They're very different things and you would probably get more of the latter if you weren't so enamoured with the former.

I'm certainly more of a sinner than a prude and have very little of a judgmental attitude in this realm.

I'm sorry, I'm not a misogynist or enamored with sexism because I talk about the physical appearance of women with other men.  If it makes me a misogynist in someone else's book, fine, but that's not something I'm going to feel guilty about. 

I realize that it can be painful to question yourself, your flaws and your prejudices. It's much simpler to rely on one's dogma and insist that whatever you do can't be wrong 'just because'. But it's easy to educate yourself on how objectification, especially of the nasty kind displayed in this thread, hurts women and is part of a power structure that is essentially amoral.

But, sure complain about how mean other people are being to you by not being assholes. Tongue

(as an aside I find the whole "self-righteous/white knight" stuff that misogynists throw around to be one of the lamest type of arguments ever. It's essentially saying that other people being nicer than you makes you feel bad about yourself so they should stop. How did that ever become a socially accepted retort to anything?)

'Staf, I've yet to meet one woman in my social circle or somewhat connected to it that finds it offensive or sexist that men have opinions on the physical appearance of females and that they often discuss it amongst each other.   Not.  Friggin.  One.  I've also not one straight female friend that has not made a remark about the physical appearance of a male.  I'm not sure you are understanding how normal this is.  You are defining sexism as failure to live in an alternate reality where inner beauty and personality and all those types of things are all that matters.  Nah man, I'm perfectly happy living in our ugly little reality where men judge the appearance of women and women judge the appearance of men and that's it okay to just have fun with the subject and not get so damn uppity and butthurt about the fact that I think Kate Upton has an abnormally-shaped midsection and great boobs.  

You mean women don't tell misogynist men about their fears and problems? Shocking!

See, this isn't about having opinions on appearance or inner beauty. That's what I already pointed out, you're not getting it at all. Which is why you should perhaps try to educate yourself on it, since you're clearly thinking it's about something that it isn't.

And as a response to what Snowstalker said, yeah, I'm obviously trying to get laid on the Atlas. Tongue

Please enlighten me as to what I'm not getting at.

So, firstly, of course finding people attractive or whatever is part of human nature. And talking to friends about such things can be fine too. It becomes problematic when women, as they often are, get reduced to mere sexual objects, and when women are sexualized in a mean-spirited way it's more a tool of oppression than an expression of natural desire.

Men who feel compelled to constantly harp on about women's appearance, especially in a demeaning way are contributing to a culture that creates a lot of suffering for a lot of women. And, fundamentally, there just isn't that much need as far as I can see. I never felt particularly in need of making my opinions about hot women known to the world. The underlying premise is that the world and women especially should care greatly about what random men think of their bodies and that isn't really true.

If I'm going to have sex with a woman I'll let her know what I find physically attractive about her but beyond that I don't engage much with that topic and I don't feel like I'm losing out much.
18  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Have you ever met someone from Somalia? on: September 26, 2014, 05:28:11 am
Yes, several. I live in Sweden. A couple of them are pretty fcked up, which is understandable given their background.
19  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What is your current ignore list? on: September 26, 2014, 05:27:01 am
Fun fact: One little known mod power allows moderators to see what other users have them on ignore.  I'm therefore able to ascertain that just one poster has me on ignore……the long-departed Hillary2012.

Which is a bit ironic, since I sort of came to his defense on the posting of fake polls.


We can? How do we do that?

My ignore list is only:

Undisguised Sockpuppet

And I don't even know who that is. :/
20  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Sweden election results thread (Sept 14, 2014) on: September 26, 2014, 05:17:12 am
Press conference today, Löfven announces that he's forming a government with MP but not much in the way of new information. Beyond his statement of basically selling out anything that could be called left and rule like a right-winger Cheesy
21  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Sweden election results thread (Sept 14, 2014) on: September 26, 2014, 05:06:44 am
How do you mean? The obvious answer is that Skåne and Halland are pretty rich areas, just like Stockholm, and thus very predictably vote more right-wing. Not sure if you want an explanation of why they are richer. Skåne has a lot of immigrants which may contribute to SD support.

(But I'll grant that I find it a bit mysterious that Skåne hates foreigners so much. Stockholm also has a lot of immigrants but very low SD support)
22  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Jennifer Lawrence and many other celebrities... on: September 25, 2014, 05:30:24 am
A " weird midsection"... " bit boxy"... "on her way to having weight problems"... what is wrong with you people? Perhaps this is the sexist patriarchy the angry people are always going on about.

Dudes discussing women in a male-dominated environment is sexist now?  I thought it was a normal thing guys just do.  Women discuss the physical attractiveness of men all the time!  And didn't I say she had killer t1ts and a beautiful face?

Sentence 1: No, you didn't get it
Sentence 2: lol
Sentence 3: you're still not getting it
Sentence 4: wow, didn't know it was possible to miss the point THIS much. And why self-censor tits? I have no speech.

No, Gustaf, youre just a boring prick who likes to stand on your little cloud of judgment passing life lessons out to all the sinners.  Go ahead and report that.

I don't report a great many posts, I'm not like Opebo and those other cry babies. Smiley

And I think you once again, like other Atlas misogynists, conflate dislike of sexism with dislike of sex. They're very different things and you would probably get more of the latter if you weren't so enamoured with the former.

I'm certainly more of a sinner than a prude and have very little of a judgmental attitude in this realm.

I'm sorry, I'm not a misogynist or enamored with sexism because I talk about the physical appearance of women with other men.  If it makes me a misogynist in someone else's book, fine, but that's not something I'm going to feel guilty about. 

I realize that it can be painful to question yourself, your flaws and your prejudices. It's much simpler to rely on one's dogma and insist that whatever you do can't be wrong 'just because'. But it's easy to educate yourself on how objectification, especially of the nasty kind displayed in this thread, hurts women and is part of a power structure that is essentially amoral.

But, sure complain about how mean other people are being to you by not being assholes. Tongue

(as an aside I find the whole "self-righteous/white knight" stuff that misogynists throw around to be one of the lamest type of arguments ever. It's essentially saying that other people being nicer than you makes you feel bad about yourself so they should stop. How did that ever become a socially accepted retort to anything?)

'Staf, I've yet to meet one woman in my social circle or somewhat connected to it that finds it offensive or sexist that men have opinions on the physical appearance of females and that they often discuss it amongst each other.   Not.  Friggin.  One.  I've also not one straight female friend that has not made a remark about the physical appearance of a male.  I'm not sure you are understanding how normal this is.  You are defining sexism as failure to live in an alternate reality where inner beauty and personality and all those types of things are all that matters.  Nah man, I'm perfectly happy living in our ugly little reality where men judge the appearance of women and women judge the appearance of men and that's it okay to just have fun with the subject and not get so damn uppity and butthurt about the fact that I think Kate Upton has an abnormally-shaped midsection and great boobs.  

You mean women don't tell misogynist men about their fears and problems? Shocking!

See, this isn't about having opinions on appearance or inner beauty. That's what I already pointed out, you're not getting it at all. Which is why you should perhaps try to educate yourself on it, since you're clearly thinking it's about something that it isn't.

And as a response to what Snowstalker said, yeah, I'm obviously trying to get laid on the Atlas. Tongue
23  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Pat Roberts: Our country is headed for national socialism on: September 25, 2014, 05:14:47 am
Quote
That's not right. Changing the culture, changing what we're all about.

I've seen this dog whistle countless times before from right-wing politicians.  I think many fellow people of color and LGBT recognize it.

What's your colour?
24  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Why is Chuck Grassley such an unbeatable powerhouse in Iowa? on: September 25, 2014, 05:12:12 am
Popular senators routinely get easily reelected in states normally hostile to their party. Why is this surprising?
25  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2014 Senatorial Election Polls / Re: GA-Rasmussen: Perdue+5 on: September 25, 2014, 04:54:26 am
She's within 5 now? #Comeback

Terri Lynn Land is within five in Michigan, but no one says that's a comeback.

Indeed.  A 2 point Ras lead for Peters is "Safe D" according to DrScholl.  I think Lean/Likely D is still fair, but Safe D is ridiculous when you have multiple polls within the MoE on that race.

Anyways, this is Lean/Likely R.  It's analogous to Michigan for the GOP.

Land is a horrible candidate and that really makes a big difference. Sure, you could claim that Land is really leading and Peters lead is only due to error, but that's not exactly how polling works. Fact of it is, Michigan was a climb to begin with, but with Land being a horrible candidate, it is quite Safe for Democrats.

Sigh......all I was saying is that Michigan is as safe for Democrats only as much as Georgia is safe for Republicans, which is lean/likely D/R, respectively.  Since when did I say that Peter would lose?

You mentioned the margin of error and all I was saying is that you can't really contribute error to Peters lead.

Are you sure you know what a margin of error is in this context?
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