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1  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Mosul's Christian community extinguished after 1,600 years, thanks to ISIS on: July 23, 2014, 01:49:28 am
Obviously an Islamist takeover could never have happened without American intervention...
2  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Present Israel-Palestine Conflict Thread on: July 23, 2014, 01:38:42 am
The former director of the American Jewish Congress has offered his take in Politico, though I doubt Ray Goldfield, dead0man and others will like what he has to say.

Surely he is one of those "self-hating Jews".

Plenty of Jews are of course critical of Israel and its policies and there is nothing wrong with that. In fact, it'd be expected in a democratic country like Israel that a fair share of the population would be critical of the government.
3  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of this quote on: July 22, 2014, 04:46:44 pm
I dunno, the assumption that the Palestinians would attempt to 'start a genocide' were the roles reversed in the region seems a tad racist, given you know, no support for that proposition in real life and given your distaste for those that have the guts to fight for the land they're being pushed off of.


Um, have you read the Hamas charter, seen opinion polls of Palestinian opinion or listened to what high level Arab politicians across the Middle East say about Israel and Jews? I have no doubt that if the Palestinian side was in control the Jews would be wiped out rather quickly.

I'd also note that a one-state solution is kind of undermined by the fact that that is what we started out with and what led to the current situation. Tongue
4  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Oklahoma's domino has fallen on: July 22, 2014, 09:29:34 am
Also, as you know I'm not usually prone to "checkmate, lieberals"-type statements, but what about that whole "being tolerant of different lifestyles and not being too quick to judge them" thing? This seems particularly relevant considering what this thread is originally about.

For what it’s worth my original comment on celibacy (which seems to have grown arms and legs since I last checked in) was a rebuttal of the argument (in case it arose from our latest troll) that celibacy should be the route taken by people with non-heterosexual sexualities. Arrangements like that are not psychologically healthy, laced as they often are, with religious connotation and expectation. Personal celibacy is one thing; people drift in and out of periods of sexual activity all the time, but celibacy because ‘it’s what god wants me to do because I am not a married heterosexual’ is another.

I wasn't criticizing you - actually, your post  was excellent and I entirely agree with it. King is the only one who's being a bigoted asshole about this whole thing. I actually fully agree that being in a relationship is, for most people (me included) far preferable to celibacy. That doesn't meant I have to be a dick toward those who feel happier as celibates.

I think I'm clarifying what Afleitch is saying rather than adding to it, but there is a world of difference between a form of forced celibacy coming from religion not allowing your natural desires to be fulfilled and choosing celibacy. I will freely admit that I don't "get" celibacy but it is certainly no stranger to me than a host of other freaky sexual practices. Tongue
5  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: FIFA 2014 World Cup - Official Discussion Thread on: July 21, 2014, 07:37:31 pm


It seems to me that UEFA's number of places is about right (but in the binary, more likely slightly under-, rather than over-represented).


Actually I would agree with this.

I just don't see how UEFA should have 17 places when quite a few of its sides did rather badly. In both 2010 and 2014 only 6/13 have qualified from the group stages and has included some awful rubbish at the same level: Russia, Slovenia, France... Of course, this isn't to say there isn't rubbish from the other confeds.

I still think you're missing my point. Mexico was awful in this qualifier but they still qualified, narrowly getting the play-off spot and winning a play-off against New Zealand. A team of Mexico's calibre performing as poorly as they did this qualifier would have missed it had they been in UEFA. I also feel like you ignored the other points I raised. Tongue

Ah but under your proposal Mexico wouldn't have qualified either. CONCACAF top three was Costa Rica, USA and Honduras.

I don't know what other points I missed. I disagree that the confederations should be made equally difficult to qualify out of because we have no good way of measuring that except at the world cup itself.

Yeah, that's my point? I'm proposing to change the system because in the status quo I don't think it's fair that Mexico could qualify this time (for example). I think that if the CONCACAF group was 3 spots it would be more fair.

I am using the cup itself as my metric. I'm just not putting as much weight on the last to world cups as you are. The way the world cup is organized, imo, facilitates using it as a metric.

What I felt you ignored was the comparison between say Mexico and Japan versus England and  Portugal. Is it really fair that the best teams in Asia and North America are guaranteed spots when only the top 3 teams in Europe (roughly speaking) are?
6  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Tina Fey vs Amy Poehler on: July 21, 2014, 07:29:32 pm
I take it, since they are women, we aren't rating them in their professional capacity? Tongue

Poehler wins either way imo.

I'm not familiar with Fey, to be honest. I like Poehler's work though.
7  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Tina Fey vs Amy Poehler on: July 21, 2014, 01:57:38 pm
I take it, since they are women, we aren't rating them in their professional capacity? Tongue
8  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: FIFA 2014 World Cup - Official Discussion Thread on: July 21, 2014, 01:56:55 pm
Holland missed the 2002 world cup, while making the semi of the euros in 2000 and 2004. The reason of course being that competition for spots is so stiff in Europe. I doubt Holland could ever miss qualifying if they played in any other confederation (save maybe CONMEBOL).

Holland missed that world cup because they were awful (and Louis 'genius' Van Gaal was coach then). I remember that because I remember Ireland easily beating them.

I mean on paper perhaps they were better but on paper France should easily have topped their 2002 group with Senegal, Uruguay and Denmark. Instead they got 1 point and 0 goals. (and people complained before the tournament 'Holland should be here instead of Senegal'... there's no way of knowing how these teams comparing without them, you know, playing against each other).

I still think you're missing my point. Mexico was awful in this qualifier but they still qualified, narrowly getting the play-off spot and winning a play-off against New Zealand. A team of Mexico's calibre performing as poorly as they did this qualifier would have missed it had they been in UEFA. I also feel like you ignored the other points I raised. Tongue

I agree that CONMEBOL is maybe more deserving of extra representation, but I still think it's safe to say that UEFA is underrepresented.
9  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Ray Goldfield on: July 21, 2014, 01:09:17 pm
People like him are the reason antisemitism still exists.

No.

Yeah, no. Drop the victim-blaming.

You think he's the victim? Lol.

No, I think blaming those who face bigotry for the bigotry is nasty. It's a classic aspect of antisemitism so I would watch it if I were you.

Kind of hard to be antisemitic when I'm Jewish myself. And he doesn't face any bigotry.

No, it is not at all hard to be antisemitic and Jewish at the same time. And anyway I can't know who you are so it's a lame argument to use on the internet. Secondly, for precisely the same reasons you have no idea what bigotry he does or does not face.

Antonio made the point pretty concisely.

Hmm, actually I'd say it's quite hard, if not impossible to be Jewish and a genuine anti semite. Unless you have adopted the view that any criticism of Israel or their supporters is antisemitic.

Also, I don't think you realize just how easy it is to be Jewish in this country.

You need to read up more. Why don't you start at Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-hating_Jew

I don't think you realize how insanely privileged it is to assume that everyone else encounters the same issues as you do. It's possible that this poster does not suffer a bit due to his Jewishness. But it's also possible that he does. It's possible that he suffers not from things he experiences directly but through what happens to his family or friends. But it really isn't up to you to decide for him on the basis that you claim to be Jewish.

Typical. Because I call out my own people on their hypocrisy and overuse of the victim card, I must be a "self-hater". Give me a break.

You having reading comprehension issues? You weren't accused of being a "self-hater". The point is simply that you shouldn't universally judge others based on your own experiences.

I clearly was accused of being a self hater. I have also had my background brought into question all because I made a somewhat tongue-in-cheek comment about someone who fits many modern Jewish stereotypes.

Huh. You're not being accused of that. I'm just refuting your proposition that it is impossible to voice anti-semitic opinions while being Jewish.
10  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Ray Goldfield on: July 21, 2014, 09:38:20 am
People like him are the reason antisemitism still exists.

No.

Yeah, no. Drop the victim-blaming.

You think he's the victim? Lol.

No, I think blaming those who face bigotry for the bigotry is nasty. It's a classic aspect of antisemitism so I would watch it if I were you.

Kind of hard to be antisemitic when I'm Jewish myself. And he doesn't face any bigotry.

No, it is not at all hard to be antisemitic and Jewish at the same time. And anyway I can't know who you are so it's a lame argument to use on the internet. Secondly, for precisely the same reasons you have no idea what bigotry he does or does not face.

Antonio made the point pretty concisely.

Hmm, actually I'd say it's quite hard, if not impossible to be Jewish and a genuine anti semite. Unless you have adopted the view that any criticism of Israel or their supporters is antisemitic.

Also, I don't think you realize just how easy it is to be Jewish in this country.

You need to read up more. Why don't you start at Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-hating_Jew

I don't think you realize how insanely privileged it is to assume that everyone else encounters the same issues as you do. It's possible that this poster does not suffer a bit due to his Jewishness. But it's also possible that he does. It's possible that he suffers not from things he experiences directly but through what happens to his family or friends. But it really isn't up to you to decide for him on the basis that you claim to be Jewish.
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Douthat: Stopping Campus Rape on: July 21, 2014, 08:50:37 am
Oh, Atlas.

Just pointing out that a sexually liberal environment really doesn't have to be an issue. In fact, I suspect rape happens more in sexually repressed environments for a variety of reasons. Just look at India, a country where it's illegal to kiss in public.

And all this nonsense about curfews or single-sex dorms...say what? THere is none of that here. The idea that if you allow men to hang around women rape is inevitable is precisely part of the rape culture that needs to be tackled.

12  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Ray Goldfield on: July 21, 2014, 08:42:48 am
People like him are the reason antisemitism still exists.

No.

Yeah, no. Drop the victim-blaming.

You think he's the victim? Lol.

No, I think blaming those who face bigotry for the bigotry is nasty. It's a classic aspect of antisemitism so I would watch it if I were you.

Kind of hard to be antisemitic when I'm Jewish myself. And he doesn't face any bigotry.

No, it is not at all hard to be antisemitic and Jewish at the same time. And anyway I can't know who you are so it's a lame argument to use on the internet. Secondly, for precisely the same reasons you have no idea what bigotry he does or does not face.

Antonio made the point pretty concisely.
13  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Have you ever been to a KZ (concentration camp) ? on: July 21, 2014, 08:41:23 am
I visited Sachsenhausen when in 9th grade. Pretty chilling and then it isn't even a death camp. I have never been to Poland but once I do I think I would like to go to a camp. It seems like a part of history one ought to see.
14  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Ray Goldfield on: July 21, 2014, 08:23:16 am
People like him are the reason antisemitism still exists.

No.

Yeah, no. Drop the victim-blaming.

You think he's the victim? Lol.

No, I think blaming those who face bigotry for the bigotry is nasty. It's a classic aspect of antisemitism so I would watch it if I were you.
15  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: FIFA 2014 World Cup - Official Discussion Thread on: July 21, 2014, 08:21:54 am
Holland missed the 2002 world cup, while making the semi of the euros in 2000 and 2004. The reason of course being that competition for spots is so stiff in Europe. I doubt Holland could ever miss qualifying if they played in any other confederation (save maybe CONMEBOL).
16  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: FIFA 2014 World Cup - Official Discussion Thread on: July 21, 2014, 08:20:28 am
Gully, that's only the two last world cups. I would argue both of those featured some anomalies working against Europe.

I also think the comparison you make is misleading.

For example: South Korea has played in the last 8 world cups. The only UEFA teams with a similar or better qualification record are Germany, Spain and Italy. Do you really think South Korea is better than Netherlands, France, England or Portugal? In fact, Mexico, the US and Japan fall into the same category of having longer streaks of world cup qualification  than all European nations but the above 3.

My point isn't that the best Asian teams can't compete with mid-level European teams. They can. My point is that it's unfair that a team of that quality is guaranteed world cup play if it qualifies from Asia and is far from it if it tries from Europe.
17  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: FIFA 2014 World Cup - Official Discussion Thread on: July 21, 2014, 08:02:51 am
I proposed my metric in the past and I think it is a decent proxy. If all qualifications are equally competitive you'd expect the marginal team from each confederation to be equally strong. If that's true then half of the teams should advance from the group stage from each confederation.

Since the seedings at the world cup is mostly based on confederation it works pretty well to apply this.

Based on that I'd do:

UEFA 17.5
CONMEBOL 7
CONCACAF 3
AFC + OFC 1.5
CAF 2

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31 + host nation

I agree with Gully that more play-offs would be good though so I'd gladly amend it in that direction.

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AFC/OFC has had 6 teams making the last 16 since 1986. That is an average of less than 1. There is just not much room for those teams at the top level.
18  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: July 21, 2014, 07:52:07 am
As things stand right now coming to the end of a Friday night, I am not only more comfortable, but continue to be very excited about getting on the phones the middle of next week.  J-Mann, I get that my personality type does not match call centers and sales jobs, but I do not believe that's a hard and fast rule.  I believe there are exceptions to every rule.  A person's frame of mind, I believe, plays a larger role than scientific results.  Anybody can do just about anything if they put their mind to it.  Bottom line, I am not going to let scientific results dictate how and where I make a living.

See, this is where we differ. I have no idea why you wish to prove us wrong over this after being let go of countless call center jobs, but maybe one day you will succeed. And I'm fairly sure J-Mann knows more about sales jobs than you do; we all know how they act during training and then how things are different when you actually are on the sales floor. You know that too. You've felt great about these call center jobs and then the first or second day on the phones, you're either let go or in trouble on the verge of being let go.

That said, I hope you keep this one until you find a CAD job, and I hope you make an honest effort to find one. It would suit you far better than sales.

I'm not trying to prove anybody wrong that I cannot work in a call center or sales, I am just trying to prove to myself that I can keep a job no matter what it is.

But that's not a rational goal to have. Some jobs are not suited for you, and you're setting an unobtainable goal if you think that you should be able to keep any job.

He attempted to sell Ameriscam here - resulting in his forced removal as as a moderator - which... um... speaks volumes as to his sales skills and general business acumen.

He resigned (after prodding from other mods), but it's not at all accurate to say he was forcefully removed. Dave never gave any indication that he would've removed Bushie without his resignation.

He was forcefully removed by the moderator community though. I remember the incident and in no way did he go willingly.
19  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Ray Goldfield on: July 21, 2014, 07:50:10 am
People like him are the reason antisemitism still exists.

No.

Yeah, no. Drop the victim-blaming.
20  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Present Israel-Palestine Conflict Thread on: July 21, 2014, 07:36:24 am
Are some people not aware of the fairly severe persecution of Jewish people across Europe from groups of Muslim fundamentalists? As Jewish people fled Sweden's third city the city Mayor stated that they should make Israel behave better if they wanted to be able to live safely in the city. Just to give an example of what I suspect Ray was alluding to.

You still haven't answered my question. Jews are being persecuted by Muslim fundamentalists in Europe. How is that the Palestinians' fault?!

Where did I claim it was the Palestinians' fault? I'm not sure I understand your point, if you have one.
21  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Present Israel-Palestine Conflict Thread on: July 21, 2014, 07:35:43 am
Are some people not aware of the fairly severe persecution of Jewish people across Europe from groups of Muslim fundamentalists? As Jewish people fled Sweden's third city the city Mayor stated that they should make Israel behave better if they wanted to be able to live safely in the city. Just to give an example of what I suspect Ray was alluding to.

Well, I remember similar warnings given to Americans in Europe at the beginning of Irak War. It's constant in history than countries with unpopular foreign policies is having an effect on the life of people linked to them in other countries.

It's sad and distasteful, but we have to live with it. This is a war between two "countries" and, as usual, it spils over to people for those countires in other countries. During Falklands War, I'm pretty than British people and Argentine people were hating each other, even if living in different countries.

It's a terrible side effect, but it's inevitable. And all is worsened by the fact than it's a religious war, let's be honest. Extreme Muslims (Hamas and the other terrorist groups) vs. Extreme Jews (settlers, religious right and theocrats).

I would also argue than the real losers aren't Palestine or Israel, they are the moderates Jews and Muslims, who only want to live in peace in their home, villages and cities.

Um, but Jewish people in Sweden aren't Israeli citizens. Blaming them for the actions of the Israeli state is classic anti-semitism.
22  Forum Community / Election and History Games / Re: RISK Domination XI: Round 2 (Matt from VT) on: July 21, 2014, 04:07:32 am
I think Matt has the best chance of beating Polnut here, because Hagrid has no reason to attack Matt and open up a new front. That leaves him in a decent position.

That's balanced by the fact that Hagrid goes just before Matt.  While Matt and Hagrid benefit from not attacking each other for now, the timing of when they play means that Matt will need to attack before betrayal becomes the optimal joint strategy because otherwise Hagrid would get the first blow.  So Matt has a tricky waiting game, needing to neither attack too soon nor too late.

Ha, maybe, but I still think there is too much to lose for the both of them.
23  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Present Israel-Palestine Conflict Thread on: July 20, 2014, 06:36:32 pm
Are some people not aware of the fairly severe persecution of Jewish people across Europe from groups of Muslim fundamentalists? As Jewish people fled Sweden's third city the city Mayor stated that they should make Israel behave better if they wanted to be able to live safely in the city. Just to give an example of what I suspect Ray was alluding to.
24  Forum Community / Election and History Games / Re: RISK Domination XI: Round 2 (Matt from VT) on: July 20, 2014, 04:14:13 am
I think Matt has the best chance of beating Polnut here, because Hagrid has no reason to attack Matt and open up a new front. That leaves him in a decent position.
25  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Present Israel-Palestine Conflict Thread on: July 18, 2014, 08:16:02 am
Um, there is plenty of anti-semites (using the word in the way it has come to be used) around in that debate. Just the other day there was a flurry of it when the leader of opposition in Sweden made a post that expressed qualified support for Israel. The Jews control the media, Hitler was right,etc, etc.

I'll grant most of this comes from Muslims, technically not included in your description, but there is a fair chunk of non-Muslim anti-semitism as well. Especially across Europe.

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