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1  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 23, 2014, 06:13:21 pm
I really don't see why anyone would want to offer advice to Bushie. Apart from the fact that it clearly has no effect he doesn't deserve it.

Why not put energy into helping someone who is trying to be a good person?
2  General Politics / Economics / Re: "expectations" question on: October 20, 2014, 07:50:33 pm
It's all contagion and stock demand trading. No real returns to speak of, which means expectations and hype must be satisfied.

Thanks for the whole explanation, AD.  It's the latter part that always left me puzzled.  Even when the companies themselves provide numbers and speculation about the near future, the expectations and hype among investors become a sort of system unto itself. 

Anvi, the basic reason is that the value of a stock depends on future profits of the company. If it's earning less than expected it can be seen as evidence that future profits will be lower than expected. Then the stock is worth less than before.

Note that it isn't binary. There is nothing contradictory in a company being profitable and its stock falling, since it isn't falling to 0. It's still worth something just not as much as you thought before.
3  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 20, 2014, 07:41:05 pm
I can't say that I want Bushie to succeed. He has done nothing to deserve success and isn't a particularly good person. If I had time or money to spend on helping someone it would be a person who was working hard under difficult circumstances and deserved a break.
4  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 20, 2014, 03:36:46 pm
In other news, the Onion guy who reads Update continues to deliver:

"Snowy Conditions Proving Hazardous For Nation's Idiots"

http://v.theonion.com/onionmedia/videos/videometa/391/zen_mp4.mp4
5  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Which comedian would you most like to see as president? on: October 20, 2014, 02:35:04 pm
I suppose this thread was moved to individual politics? But the post still doesn't make any sense.
6  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: NH GOPer says Kuster will lose because she's "very ugly", calls GOP opponent hot on: October 15, 2014, 07:10:51 am
Classic Atlas that most comments here go along with the misogynist. Tongue
7  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Islamic State vs. The World (except Canada) on: October 14, 2014, 07:30:36 am
So why doesn't Turkey want to help this Kurd village?

They are afraid of their own Muslims (which are strong Erdogan voters, too).

More likely because they dislike their own Kurds (who certainly don't vote for Erdogan).

Actually the Erdogan majority depends on at least passive support from Kurds who prefer AKP over the CHP.
8  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVII: I Ate The Strawberry (The REAL, AUTHENTIC Update) on: October 14, 2014, 07:01:20 am
As a pastor he would help ruining other lives beyond his own. That seems a bit cruel.
9  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Opinion of Agatha Christie on: October 13, 2014, 01:02:47 pm
I like Christie. I remember there are some politically unpleasant things in the earlier novels but I can't help being a little charmed by the old school-conservatism. I think accusing her of racism is a tad anachronistic and not something I'd hold against the books.
10  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Is Israel like ISIL? on: October 12, 2014, 03:55:35 pm
Pretty straightforward. Both are "illegally" occupying territory, are extremely bellicose, and seek to quash everything in their path. Discuss Smiley

The last two are accurate, the first is a matter of whose lawyers you believe.

Um, no. Israel is not quashing everything in their path in the sense ISIS is. If they were, all Palestinians would be dead. Tongue
11  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Sweden election results thread (Sept 14, 2014) on: October 09, 2014, 09:06:39 am
The usual flurry of cabinet member scandals hit us. I'm increasingly suspecting that we'll see the government fall, new elections and then some type of new constellation.
12  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Euro 2016 Qualifying on: October 09, 2014, 04:08:06 am
So, it's time again. Sweden hosts Russia tonight and I expect us to be soundly trashed. But here's to hoping.
13  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Jennifer Lawrence and many other celebrities... on: October 09, 2014, 04:06:15 am
It's amusing that you're both acting as if I've never discussed the attractiveness of women in my life. Tongue

But when we do we're misogynists.

Well...if you do it in a misogynist way you're being misogynist. That isn't all that complex. For example, in a context of peoples' privacy being violated it is telling if one decides to make fun of the victims' appearance.
Except...that isn't at all what happened. Snowstalker made a comment upon Upton's "excess" (come to think of it, Snow's post was pretty sexist, but that's a different matter), which Patrick1 misinterpreted as a comment about Upton's weight, which he noted could potentially be a problem in the context of her profession as a supermodel. In reply, HockeyDude said that Upton was indeed "a "bit boxy" (again, in the context of her being a supermodel).

Either you didn't actually read most of the posts in this thread, or you're just unable to understand the context of a discussion.

I think maybe you're missing the context here.

Actually on topic, Lawrence commented on the whole thing in Vanity Fair. It's getting a fair bit of attention.

http://www.vanityfair.com/vf-hollywood/2014/10/jennifer-lawrence-cover
14  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Would you move into a house/apartment, in which ... on: October 08, 2014, 06:28:35 am
Depends on the reason for the murder, since that would determine the probability of it happening again.
15  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Which man was the more skilled politician? on: October 07, 2014, 08:56:19 am
Iran Contra, easily the gravest presidential scandal in American history

No, the gravest presidential scandal in American history is the intentional and premeditated delivery of half of Europe to Stalin and all of China to "so-called Communist" and "agrarian reformer" Mao.

[citation needed]

Okay, I'll bite. What evidence do you have to suggest:

1A. the Soviet Union's assumption of dominion over Eastern Europe after WW2 was primarily the result of specific action(s) taken by the US President?
1B. the above action(s) had a specific and intentional goal of accomplishing this outcome?
1C. this outcome was deliberately sought in advance by the US President?

2A. the Communist victory in the Chinese Civil War was primarily the result of specific action(s) taken by the US President?
2B. the above action(s) had a specific and intentional goal of accomplishing this outcome?
2C. this outcome was deliberately sought by the US President?

I do think one can argue that there was a naive approach to the USSR from the US administration during the last stages of WW2 where they didn't really jockey for as good a position as possible. I've read (though I'm no expert) that it wasn't really until the Berlin blockade and the Prague coup that the US properly realized that there was a Cold War going on.

It's obviously laughable that they could have prevented a USSR takeover of all of Eastern Europe but maybe they could have saved more than they did.
16  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: maoist, trotskyst, moderate...but where are stalinist parties ? on: October 07, 2014, 07:38:25 am
I'm pretty certain that the KP in Sweden (I think that is their acronym now, they used to be called KPML(r) ) are Stalinist. I read an article in their party magazine which supported Stalin and their old band Knutna Nävar (Clenched Fists) had the Song about Stalin as one of their big hits. Pretty neat song too.
17  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Women in Combat on: October 07, 2014, 07:16:26 am
I always thought the obvious answer here is to look at the country that not only allows but forces women into the army, many of them in combat positions - Israel. Anyone who thinks Israel can afford to prioritize being politically correct over actual national security, please go unregister from life.

So, without knowing much about military stuff I'm pretty sure having women in combat roles is not a problem at all.
18  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Do you typically keep your computer on constantly? on: October 05, 2014, 06:37:37 pm
I usually hibernate/sleep it during the night which I think roughly amounts to the same thing as turning it off. Besides, I don't pay my electricity bill anyway so my financial incentive is low. Tongue
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: California Adopts 'Yes Means Yes' Sexual Assault Rule on: October 01, 2014, 10:49:28 am
This is...I...wow.

Like Angus, I can testify that someone inviting someone up for a drink does not always lead to sex and does not have to mean that.

Also, of course this is not about having to do some silly written contract or something. Getting consent is not that hard or weird. It usually flows naturally if you're not a douche. Tongue
20  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Oxford School of Absurdity, Ignorance, and Bad Posts IV on: October 01, 2014, 10:37:20 am
Even by Atlas standards.
Suggesting that the Atlas is some sort of stronghold for rapist sympathizers or even misogyny in general is amongst the most ignorant things I've seen today. The overwhelming majority of gender related posts on here seem straight from some sort of social justice tumblr blog.

Right but we discussed whether or not we found a professional model attractive, so OBVIOUSLY we're raging women haters!

Lief, you seem really upset by this. I'm sorry I hurt your feelings, but really, simmer down. I don't think you're misogynist, just anti-semitic.

And I'm sorry for Hockey Dude having to face social justice instead of high-fiving it with the bros. Sad times we live in when women are shown respect even when they're not around. Sad

RIP male comradeship
21  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: California Adopts 'Yes Means Yes' Sexual Assault Rule on: September 30, 2014, 06:31:21 pm
Apart from the obvious piece of misogynist trash that has already been repeatedly called out, I want to point out that prevalence of rape has little to do with people having casual sex or drinking. Lots of rape happens in relationships and this tired old myth is just a more subtle way of victim blaming. It's perfectly fine for people to have casual sex and it is even safe for lots of participants (i.e. men).

I think this is likely a step in the right direction, mostly because it might change attitudes. A classic parallel is the law against child-beating.
22  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Sweden election results thread (Sept 14, 2014) on: September 30, 2014, 04:48:15 pm

Also, the Greens are giving up their opposition to armed forces and pensions. The SAP is dropping their opposition to labour migration. I'm pretty happy so far. Cheesy

The Greens are opposed to pensions?

It was asked earlier and answered in reply 277.

Sorry, didn't realise we'd started a new page.

What are the main ambitions/policies of the new government?

To stay in power, i.e. not have any ambitions or policies. Tongue

Well, in theory they want to improve education and employment I think. They're making high school compulsory for some unfathomable reason. At least I hope they're not sticking to the insane idea they proposed a year back of cutting off high school dropouts from all welfare, leaving them to starve to death on the sidewalk. Tongue

When it comes to employment it's less clear but hopefully we'll get a an industry chancellor. I say hopefully because it's a badass name.

Unfathomable? I think it's unfathomable to just give up on students and treat it as a fact that some students will always be tired and disinterested in schoolwork and can't be helped by competent teachers. Unemployment amongst those without high school degrees is several times higher than the rest of the population so on the labour market today having a high school degree is a de facto requirement to get a job. 15 year olds are also not mature enough to make such a major decision in regards to their future, god knows I have several friends stuck in unemployment today who say their biggest regret is having been so stupid by dropping out of school.

What about vocational training and apprenticeships? High school (even the semi-practical programs) is not for everyone.

Well the previous government removed the requirement that all high school programs should make students qualified to apply for college studies and instituted some 2-year vocational programs, however all of those have fallen far below expectations with fewer and fewer people applying to them for every year since they were created. It's been tried but it failed.

I am not saying that we shouldn't address high school drop-outs. I am saying that forcing them to go to school is probably not the solution. I think we should rather invest in teaching our kids stuff earlier on.

I taught failing pupils who were 14-15 and some of them couldn't read or do basic arithmetic. Saying they have to attend high school a year later isn't going to help anyone.
23  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Oxford School of Absurdity, Ignorance, and Bad Posts IV on: September 30, 2014, 09:06:11 am
It's unpopular to say but I really do believe there are a lot of misguided women who would allow themselves to get "raped" rather than just say "no" even though saying "no" would likely stop many of the "rapists". Because if they said "no" and the guy did stop, then they wouldn't be able to complain about the omnipresent "rape culture"

...

Even by Atlas standards that's pretty fcked up. The guy seriously thinks women would like to be raped so that they have something to whine about? How little empathy must one have to believe something like that.
24  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Sweden election results thread (Sept 14, 2014) on: September 30, 2014, 08:23:09 am

Also, the Greens are giving up their opposition to armed forces and pensions. The SAP is dropping their opposition to labour migration. I'm pretty happy so far. Cheesy

The Greens are opposed to pensions?

It was asked earlier and answered in reply 277.

Sorry, didn't realise we'd started a new page.

What are the main ambitions/policies of the new government?

To stay in power, i.e. not have any ambitions or policies. Tongue

Well, in theory they want to improve education and employment I think. They're making high school compulsory for some unfathomable reason. At least I hope they're not sticking to the insane idea they proposed a year back of cutting off high school dropouts from all welfare, leaving them to starve to death on the sidewalk. Tongue

When it comes to employment it's less clear but hopefully we'll get a an industry chancellor. I say hopefully because it's a badass name.
25  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Sweden election results thread (Sept 14, 2014) on: September 29, 2014, 07:05:31 pm
Amusingly, the new speaker is the guy who said his party had SD's immigration policy way before they did, the deputy speaker is the migration minister who said some weird stuff about blonde and blue eyed people and the 2nd deputy is, well, Björn Söder. Not the best trio to underscore Sweden's tolerance and openness. Tongue

Also, the Greens are giving up their opposition to armed forces and pensions. The SAP is dropping their opposition to labour migration. I'm pretty happy so far. Cheesy
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