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1  General Politics / Economics / Re: The economic cost of not being a white male on: Today at 10:06:06 pm
Vivienne Ming  should also analyze compensation patterns  in the NBA to discern economic cost (both in opportunity and direct compensation costs) to derive the economic cost of not being a Black male.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to get at.  But, in so far as the recent two time league MVP was the  non Black Steve Nash, I think you're going to have to actually show some evidence that black players have an easier time of it in the NBA, if that's the point you are trying to get at.

However, whatever point you are trying to make, it is a distraction from the point brought up in the research that I've posted on.

I guess the point I am trying to make is that Vivienne Ming should really consider the fact that compensation are set by market forces which is determined the economic value of the labor produced.  If she believes that being of a certain race gender or sexual orientation leads to lower compensation then she is really saying is the the market is mis-pricing the labor value of these certain demographic categories, in this case in the IT field.  If so the best way Vivienne Ming should react is not to produce such a report but to form a company that will hire these programmers or would be programmers whose labor value are mis-priced in the market which would include women URM and LGBT developers or would be developers .  While such a IT firm would not be another google or yahoo it would be quite profitable given the much lower labor costs it will pay relative to its peers.  I do not know much about Vivienne Ming but she seems quite a capable person and should be able to pull this off.  In fact I think she is a fool for producing this report. If anyone found a certain asset be if financial, or in this case labor value, to be under priced, the first logical reaction should to be scoop up said asset as the below fair market value before anyone else find out about it.  It is quite foolish of her to publish such a survey alerting others to such a possible under-pricing of said labor value.  

Of course if we are talking about IT I do not know why Vivienne Ming is so focused on White Males.  Asian Males are even more over-represented than White Males in the IT industry.  Even if Asian Males are less over-represented in IT upper management roles which are even higher paying (I myself would be an exception here) they are still well over-represented in IT upper management roles relative to their share of the population.  So I do not know why she focus so much no the "cost" of not being a straight White Man and instead talk about the "cost" of not being a straight Asian Man.

I don't worship free markets as much as you obviously do.

Jaichind does have a point. It always strikes me as a little implausible that every ruthless capitalist in this world would be willing to walk away from that much free money just to satisfy their bigotry. I mean, there might be some such people but it would only take one or two evil capitalists prioritizing their own profits instead of their ideological committment to racism or sexism to fix the wage gap, if it was solely about that.

The existence of discrimination has been confirmed by multiple CV studies in many countries. But I would exercise caution in generalizing the impact of that on the macro level.

Milton Friedman made the same argument that Jaichind did.  The problem is is that behavioral economics has largely overturned his ideas since then.

Although I have no doubt that Milton Friedman knew that racism was real, when it came to sexism his view was likely that of 'we know that irrational economic behavior exists, but these irrational acts cancel each other out.'  Since then though, behavioral economics has shown that in many cases where irrational economic behavior exists, most people behave irrationally in the same way.  So, the idea that some employers would discriminate against men, while others would discriminate against women (I'm sure Friedman would never have argued that the discrimination would have been even) and that it would more or less cancel out, has been disproven.

More importantly, the concept of subtle racism or subtle sexism is also now well established.  The idea that hiring managers may not be racist or sexist, but even if they aren't aware of it, they are more likely to hire the type of people like them or that they've grown up with, or gone to university with.

So, Friedman, and by extension Jaichind are simply wrong.

On the final point, a business can engage in racism and sexism for a long time if the costs aren't prohibitive or if nearly every other business they compete with does the same thing.  In a market with perfect competition they probably couldn't do it for long, but most industries aren't perfect competition.  I agree with you and Jaichind that in the long run markets will eliminate this sort of behavior due to competitive forces, but as Keynes said "in the long run, we're all dead."

I do a lot of behavioral economics but the question here is one of magnitude. I'm not saying there is no discrimination. The question is whether it can be a huge driving force. That would require a lot of market imperfection that seems implausible, especially in a field like IT startups.

To DeadFlag, sure, I think you have a point, but to me that isn't discrimination exactly. Or, rather, I don't think your point is a defense of the position being criticized here which does have to do with manager decisions rather than structural reasons some people perform worse, internalize other norms, etc.
2  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Ted Cruz refuses to answer if he'll support Trump on: May 01, 2016, 05:37:59 pm
Atlas "moderates" and Democrats preferring Cruz to Trump is one of the most hilarious things ever.

How is preferring a candidate who doesn't openly fan racial tension and divide this country "hilarious"?
And Cruz's anti-gay, Christian extremist, etc. rhetoric isn't divisive to the country?


While Cruz is barely better, he hasn't gone out there and said that most gays are child molesters. That would be the equivalent of what Trump said about Mexicans. Cruz hasn't called for all cross-dressers to be banned from the United States. That's what Trump is advocating regarding muslims. Cruz may come close, but never crosses the line into completely indecent behavior. Trump does it all the time, and the trash that support him gobble it up.

As I've said before, this primary is the Iran-Iraq War. You can either support Saddam Hussein (nationalist, secular, flamboyant strongman Trump) or Ayatollah Khomeini (intellectual, ideological scorched-earth fundamentalist Cruz).

Any sane person would pick Saddam Hussein's Iraq over Khomeini's Islamic Republic of Iran.

Even if one ignores the ridiculousness of that analogy, it's also not true. No sane person would prefer Iraq over Iran. Especially not if you're Kurdish.
3  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Should foreign policy doves vote for Trump? on: April 29, 2016, 03:59:04 am
I detest the man and I find his racism and general xenophobia repulsive but from a foreign policy perspective it does seem like we could be headed towards a general election in which the Republican candidate is actually the more dovish one. Would he be preferable to Hillary on foreign policy from an anti-war perspective? Opposition to our current foreign policy is one of the biggest issues for me for moral reasons and because I see it as leading to blowback and one of the biggest reasons I've always disliked Hillary and supported Obama in 08 (and have subsequently come to criticize him over the drone war.) I'll most likely vote for Jill Stein in the general and even if Trump might on paper be somewhat better on foreign policy I just can't trust the guy and think he's just as likely to start a nuclear war because he's a loudmouth who doesn't understand diplomacy.

Thoughts? 

The guy who wants to pursue an ultra-selfish foreign policy in which every other country is attacked as an enemy, break up all US alliances, officially embrace the image of a schoolyard bully and make it official policy to murder innocent foreign nationals to impose a global rule of terror?

I mean, I'm not a foreign policy dove myself but I don't quite see what the appeal would be if I were one.
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump doubles down on "woman card" charge on Morning Joe on: April 29, 2016, 03:56:50 am
Trump said "women's card" and is correct. People overcompensate by being sexist against men.

That's an incredibly sexist thing to think. Clues as to why can be found in this thread in case you don't get it.
5  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton has released her first anti-Trump ad on: April 26, 2016, 03:41:24 am
The big problem liberals are having is that everything they are fighting for, isn't really possible.

For example, their definition of racism, can never be solved, because so many of them can find racism in anything. Obviously we cannot get rid of everything, so according to their definition, we will never get rid of "racism".

Also, they seem to be prioritizing emotional thinking over rational thinking. For example, they would rather take the risks with transgender bathrooms rather than hurt the feelings of transgender people. But doesn't the risk outweigh the reward? If women are hurt by sexual predators, are a majority of those victims and their families going to care about if a transvestite feels better about themselves? If a handful of Syrian refugees are terrorists, doesn't the risk of thousands of dead Americans outweigh the reward of happy refugees? If someone breaks in your house with a knife in their hand and you blow their skull apart with a shotgun, is that homeowner gonna be proud he protected his home or upset that he killed someone looking for money? I think they are trying the impossible.

It's a risk/reward situation and liberals lack the intellect to make safe decisions, because they are in and of themselves, weak people blinded by emotion. Thus their fear of inanimate objects (firearms), fear of conflict (anti-war), fear of wealth, and their constant running to their Government nanny. 

What do you think more Americans will do tomorrow? Say something politically incorrect, or quote a Maya Angelou poem?

You think that is being rational? Lol.
6  General Politics / Economics / Re: The economic cost of not being a white male on: April 22, 2016, 06:24:15 am
Vivienne Ming  should also analyze compensation patterns  in the NBA to discern economic cost (both in opportunity and direct compensation costs) to derive the economic cost of not being a Black male.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to get at.  But, in so far as the recent two time league MVP was the  non Black Steve Nash, I think you're going to have to actually show some evidence that black players have an easier time of it in the NBA, if that's the point you are trying to get at.

However, whatever point you are trying to make, it is a distraction from the point brought up in the research that I've posted on.

I guess the point I am trying to make is that Vivienne Ming should really consider the fact that compensation are set by market forces which is determined the economic value of the labor produced.  If she believes that being of a certain race gender or sexual orientation leads to lower compensation then she is really saying is the the market is mis-pricing the labor value of these certain demographic categories, in this case in the IT field.  If so the best way Vivienne Ming should react is not to produce such a report but to form a company that will hire these programmers or would be programmers whose labor value are mis-priced in the market which would include women URM and LGBT developers or would be developers .  While such a IT firm would not be another google or yahoo it would be quite profitable given the much lower labor costs it will pay relative to its peers.  I do not know much about Vivienne Ming but she seems quite a capable person and should be able to pull this off.  In fact I think she is a fool for producing this report. If anyone found a certain asset be if financial, or in this case labor value, to be under priced, the first logical reaction should to be scoop up said asset as the below fair market value before anyone else find out about it.  It is quite foolish of her to publish such a survey alerting others to such a possible under-pricing of said labor value.  

Of course if we are talking about IT I do not know why Vivienne Ming is so focused on White Males.  Asian Males are even more over-represented than White Males in the IT industry.  Even if Asian Males are less over-represented in IT upper management roles which are even higher paying (I myself would be an exception here) they are still well over-represented in IT upper management roles relative to their share of the population.  So I do not know why she focus so much no the "cost" of not being a straight White Man and instead talk about the "cost" of not being a straight Asian Man.

I don't worship free markets as much as you obviously do.

Jaichind does have a point. It always strikes me as a little implausible that every ruthless capitalist in this world would be willing to walk away from that much free money just to satisfy their bigotry. I mean, there might be some such people but it would only take one or two evil capitalists prioritizing their own profits instead of their ideological committment to racism or sexism to fix the wage gap, if it was solely about that.

The existence of discrimination has been confirmed by multiple CV studies in many countries. But I would exercise caution in generalizing the impact of that on the macro level.
7  General Politics / Economics / Re: Solve Income Inequality on: April 22, 2016, 06:18:28 am
Yes, differences in capital endowment explain only a tiny fraction of GDP per capita differences. We can also look at things like development aid having pretty much zero correlation with economic growth for poor countries.

We also observe that access to natural resources tends to have a negative impact on growth in developing countries.

What we do know is that institutions matter a lot. Countries that embraced capitalism, like South Korea or West Germany saw tremendous growth and became essentially Western countries while those that chose paths closer to your preferred system, like East Germany or North Korea remained in abject poverty.

Note that among people who study these things the above facts are fairly elementary. And taken together they strongly indicate that just dumping a pile of money into some African dictatorship would do basically nothing to improve the situation for the people of that country.
8  General Politics / Economics / Re: Solve Income Inequality on: April 20, 2016, 03:20:24 pm
Differences in capital endowment or resources isn't a great predictor of national wealth.

But isn't that because of the exploitation I mentioned?

Huh? You wanted to redistribute things to rectify poverty. I pointed out that since the current distribution isn't the main driver of the inequality it'd not be the best solution to the problem.
9  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Can we unban politicus? on: April 19, 2016, 10:03:51 am
I never understood the common attitude on here that if a psychopath is good at hiding their psycho tendencies, that should count in their favour. The same logic was used for Hamilton - the fact that he could hide behind an alternate personality for so long was taken as evidence that he was a good guy.
It's really my place to intervene, but I'll give you some advice:

I think you should forgive her if she apologizes. It's not worth keeping something like this going on another forum. I think most people sympathize with you, so we're not saying it's your fault. Obviously she has some anger issues which led to the ban.

She's not going to be a mod again for a long time, if ever, so don't worry about that part. If she lives in a similar time zone, perhaps try and arrange a meeting of some type, preferably on skype or something, just to get over this whole thing. After that, never engage her on the forum.

While I appreciate your good intentions here, don't worry about me. Smiley

I don't take internet feuds seriously in the sense that I lose sleep over them or get very emotionally engaged. The internet is a big place and there are plenty of whacky characters out there. Sometimes you get a crazy person harassing you. It doesn't happen very often to me, but it did with that German creep, a little bit with Einzige and with Politicus.

I would never advocate a ban of someone because they hurt my feelings or whatever. Her petty personal attacks on me is more her problem than mine. When I realized how unhinged she became about this I politely advised her to seek help rather than take out these frustrations on a random person on the internet.

From that perspective I also think that it is very unhealthy that it is somehow portrayed as virtuous to gloss over this type of thing. Take someone like Sawx, who got banned after a somewhat similar meltdown incident (and was a moderator, for those who think that it's about double standards against non-mods). He apologized, acknowledged his actions reflected a problematic behaviour and is, last I heard, working in real life on those issues. Anyone who stalks a person they never met and (as was the case with me and Politicus, barely even interacted online much) in order to rain down personal insults and physical threats against them for no particular reason (note that I was not particularly involved in the incident that led to her banning, the original conflict wasn't with me and I wasn't the moderator responsible it either, I just commented on it) clearly has problems to deal with. Acknowledging that is what anyone who considers themselves her friend should do. Mental health is in the end more important than electoral maps.

A moderation policy should have a very low bar for that type of bullying and threatening behavior. This is especially true for a community like this one where a high number of people are very young, many deal with depression issues and struggle with their identity. A younger, more sensitive and more depressed version of me might have taken Politicus behavior very badly indeed. She has expressed nothing but pride in her actions which I think is pretty telling.

I am on AAD and don't mind her being there (she minds me though, disliking every post I make as part of her childish vendetta Cheesy ) but I'm not sure Atlas is the place for that sort of thing.
10  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: I can no longer support Hillary Clinton in good conscience on: April 19, 2016, 07:19:48 am
So, I take it you're still supporting her, just not in good conscience?
11  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Kasich: Don't drink alcohol if you don't want to get raped on: April 19, 2016, 07:16:35 am
I'd also note that of course people should (in some sense of the word) take care of themselves. Parents can be concerned about their kids, etc, parents always are. But public figures shouldn't peddle these types of messages, especially without making clear where the blame falls.

Again, the implication of Kasich's statement is that it is reckless behavior as a woman to go to a party and drink. But it really shouldn't be. It is normal. For me a a guy it is normal. I've gotten pass-out drunk a few times and while that had its cons I could do that being pretty confident that nothing particularly bad would happen to me. And it didn't. Women should have that same right. It really isn't much more difficult than that.
12  General Politics / Economics / Re: Solve Income Inequality on: April 18, 2016, 08:49:53 pm
Step 1: First World countries return the billions (trillions) of dollars they've expropriated from Third World countries over the years (and affluent areas within the First and Third Worlds do the same to the impoverished ares within them).

Step 2: Keep most future wealth within the communities that produce them.

Problem solved.

I'm sorry but a) that is nonsense and b) Step 2 doesn't actually work. You'd have to be completely ignorant of the history of economic development and macroeconomics to think that would be a solution.

...or is that just what you WANT us to think?

No, it's what is clear from observing reality. Differences in capital endowment or resources isn't a great predictor of national wealth.
13  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Share your "privilege score" here on: April 18, 2016, 08:29:46 pm
I got 55 but a lot of these questions failed to capture what they were about. And some of them are just very American.
14  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Can we unban politicus? on: April 18, 2016, 01:45:49 pm
I never understood the common attitude on here that if a psychopath is good at hiding their psycho tendencies, that should count in their favour. The same logic was used for Hamilton - the fact that he could hide behind an alternate personality for so long was taken as evidence that he was a good guy.

I didn't follow the Tender story in full detail but my impression is that it was rather different.

When judging the state of the IE board I do think that Politicus attempts to censor those she disliked and use bullying tactics to enforce some sort of petty dictatorship should also be taken into account.

(I'd also note, for the record, that she never apologized to me or expressed much regret over her actions).

I'm of  course biased personally but I find it bewildering how willing people are to give posters a free pass for properly batsht insanity.
15  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Kasich: Don't drink alcohol if you don't want to get raped on: April 17, 2016, 12:29:39 pm
You should avoid parties with alcohol involved if you do not have people you trust around you. It is common sense. Sure, we should focus more on the men and women who sexually assault individuals. However, don't put yourself in bad situations because you are partially to blame

Going to a party with alcohol (which is all parties not sponsored by a Mosque or a Mormon temple) is not a "bad situation". That's what I find ridiculous about Kasich's statement.
I did not say that. I just merely said that you avoid parties with alcohol involved if you do not have people you trust around you. A party with alcohol (it really is not a party without it) is not inherently a bad thing or situation. However, it can be. Avoid putting yourself in these situations.

God, you're thick. Whether you can trust someone is hard to know in advance. That's why so many people end up being raped by partners or friends. Secondly, people don't become untrustworthy because you're drunk. These untrustworthy people can be around you all the same.

You're saying women shouldn't go to parties unless they wanna risk being raped. You should take a moment to consider what an awful person you are.
16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Kasich: Don't drink alcohol if you don't want to get raped on: April 17, 2016, 12:23:18 pm
If a woman going to a party is "putting herself in obvious danger" then there is something pretty fcked up about your party culture.

Hi, foreigner.  I've never been to your country.  So I take your word for it you guys only have one kind of party over there.  Here in America we literally have an infinite variety of parties and yes the culture surrounding some of those parties is "pretty fcked up" as you put it.  It got lost in all this ridiculous noise but that really is the point.  Heroin parties might be cool and safe for small children in your wonderful country but here in America they are frowned upon as are certain other categories of parties.  Ice cream parties and wine tastings are much more accepted over here and according to scientific data are less rapey.

I totally get that you don't know anything about our country, but what I find bizarre is your incessant need to comment on it.

Kasich was referring to a particular kind of ILLEGAL party and just paraphrased the NIH and multiple city and state ordinances and advised the young lady who asked, to steer clear.  It is pretty normal for someone running for the job of chief law enforcement officer of the land to advise minors to follow the law in this country.  I realize it may be different where you live.


That's cute. So, first of all I was using the third-person you. As in, if a party is such that it is dangerous to be there for a woman then there is something wrong with the party. There are different types of parties in any country, this rule applies in general.

According to scientific data, most rapes have nothing to do with parties. They are primarily driven by predatory behavior, as most women are raped by men they know and trust.

I seem to know more about your country and its issues with sexual violence than you do, sadly.

I don't think it is illegal for college students to attend parties and it most certainly shouldn't be.

You are correct that Sweden is more progressive than the US and that more progressive attitudes can help rectify some of these issues. It is unfortunately not true that this has ridden us of issues concerning rape.
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Kasich: Don't drink alcohol if you don't want to get raped on: April 16, 2016, 01:12:46 pm
Nothing he said is wrong. Alcohol parties are dangerous and really it is stupid for a teenage girl to go, especially alone. That isnt saying it is here fault if things happen, but if you want to be safe it is foolish to put yourself in such obvious danger.

If a woman going to a party is "putting herself in obvious danger" then there is something pretty fcked up about your party culture.

If walking down the street meant you got shot with high probability you'd probably talk more about street safety.
18  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Kasich: Don't drink alcohol if you don't want to get raped on: April 15, 2016, 03:09:45 pm
What's with Republicans and rape?

It's still good advice -- tell your kids who are too young to drink alcoholic beverages to avoid places in which people are drinking heavily. Alcohol kills inhibitions to a man's sex drive and takes away a girl's ability to resist unwelcome sex. Alcohol almost qualifies as a date-rape drug.

I'm a Democrat, and I fully endorse that message. 

Sorry, but that's utter BS.

There is nothing about drunk parties that would make rape particularly likely if there wasn't other factors at play. And it's ridiculous to think that it's on women to avoid parties if they want to feel safe.
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Kasich: Don't drink alcohol if you don't want to get raped on: April 15, 2016, 03:08:15 pm
Important point is also that the vast majority of rapes aren't done by strangers at drunk parties. So it's a false "solution" that detracts from a lot of the real problems.
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Sanders surrogate calls Hillary Clinton a "Democratic whore" at NYC rally on: April 14, 2016, 07:59:18 am
Referring to jfern's post immediately above, the 3rd definition was most likely the one meant by the surrogate.

As a side note, dictionaries must learn to keep up with the times, or at least give objective definitions.


totally bro. and like, if bitches don't want to be called whores they should be ones lol

I love it that even dictionary definitions written years before and with no mind towards a presidential race are now biased against someone's campaign.

Well, we all know who controls Big Dictionary.
21  General Politics / Economics / Re: Solve Income Inequality on: April 13, 2016, 04:30:08 am
Step 1: First World countries return the billions (trillions) of dollars they've expropriated from Third World countries over the years (and affluent areas within the First and Third Worlds do the same to the impoverished ares within them).

Step 2: Keep most future wealth within the communities that produce them.

Problem solved.

I'm sorry but a) that is nonsense and b) Step 2 doesn't actually work. You'd have to be completely ignorant of the history of economic development and macroeconomics to think that would be a solution. Reforming institutions in 3rd world countries would help though.


Elect Bernie Sanders.

The fact that the USA does not have free education for University is an issue. Only the rich can afford it.

Look at countries which have very low income inequality.

Norway, Sweden, Finland.

Study their political system, and the answers you will find for the question you propose.

University tuition certainly plays a part, not sure if it's the biggest issue for inequality though. I'd agree it can be important to solve a real problem, namely lack of opportunity for the poor.
22  General Politics / Economics / Re: United States and Free Trade on: April 13, 2016, 04:24:57 am
Just when everyone thought the Democratic Party was heading in a more protectionist direction:

Mayors Rise to the Defense of Free Trade

RONALD BROWNSTEIN  MAR 24, 2016

CHICAGO—
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Howard A. Tullman, the chief executive officer of the technology incubator called 1871 doesn’t exaggerate when he calls the bustling operation “a start-up factory.” Working from a 130,000-foot facility in the imposing old Merchandise Mart building here, 1871 currently provides office space, mentoring, courses, and networking opportunities to 425 companies, their workers hunched over laptops in the cavernous workspace. Firms nurtured by 1871 have created 4,500 jobs since the incubator opened in 2012.

One core service 1871 provides to its tech entrepreneurs is exposure to like-minded international counterparts. It has established working relationships with start-up accelerators in cities from Mexico City and London to Tel Aviv, and regularly brings delegations through to meet with its budding firms. “We’ve learned that you have to be global from day one,” says Tullman. “It may take a while. But [our companies] are very sensitive as to how do they build connections into the big...other markets: China, India, Europe, South America.”

1871’s default instinct toward global engagement captures a larger dynamic almost completely obscured in a 2016 presidential race dominated by criticism of free trade: Mayors and private sector leaders in almost all of America’s major metropolitan areas believe they can accelerate growth and expand opportunity by deepening their integration into the world economy, not retreating from it. “Mayors are becoming much more aware that cities need to be active participants in the global economy,” says Amy Liu, the director of the Brookings Institution’s Metropolitan Policy Program. “It’s not just about connecting their firms to consumer demand through exports. They are also becoming more focused on what can cities do to position their economies [as] the destinations for foreign students, foreign firms, and supply chains.”
Well this seals it, I'm voting Trump in November.  He is the only one who recognizes the inherent good of the creation of barriers on sub-par Oriental imports to our nation.

"Oriental imports"? I'm calling troll.
23  General Politics / Economics / Re: United States and Free Trade on: April 13, 2016, 04:16:31 am
Impressive level of sophistication from the US electorate on this issue.
24  General Politics / Economics / Re: The economic cost of not being a white male on: April 13, 2016, 04:15:10 am
That's weird, Memphis told me that women have an easier time getting high-paid jobs.
25  General Politics / Economics / Re: getting to higher wages at walmart on: April 13, 2016, 04:13:10 am
Better outside options for the employees, for example due to higher productivity for them. Tongue
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