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1  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Big Bad Swedish Politics & News Thread on: August 30, 2015, 05:04:51 pm
Randomly jumping in here with two questions:

1.) Why is Stockholm a stronghold of the center-right?


2.) When I was visiting Vadstena, Odeshog, and Urnatur in May, I met two local green politicians. How strong is the Green Party in Sweden? Is it common for them to be in rural areas and small towns?

Also, we had a talk with the man who owns the treehouse hotel at Urnatur (he's one of the politicians we met) and told us he resented many Greens from the city because they believe that people should all live in cities, while he advocates that people live in the country. How strong is this divide in the Swedish Green Party?


Also, why the f*** do you people not export Kina Wafers??? They are now my favorite chocolate and they're not available in the U.S.

That is just wrong on so many levels.

1. Apart from recently with the SD, Swedish politics has a strong consensus on social issues and is divided mostly alongside economic lines. City people are rich. Imagine if New York was voting solely on economics and rural Kentucky was doing the same.

2. The Green party mostly has strength in cities and university areas but they exist elsewhere too. A former party leader made them biggest party in rural northern Kalix. Tongue The Green party generally does badly in rural areas for the reason you cited so I wouldn't call it a strong divide within the party.

The Kina wafers are under fire for racism, I believe, so that may not help. Wink

I get what you're saying but New York isn't the best example since it's actually about 60% poor minorities and even among the Whites, a good chunk are either poor White ethnics living way out in the middle of nowhere in far west Brooklyn or hipsters making $10 an hour but getting by only because they don't have kids.

Yeah I guess one of the richest cities in the world with the same GDP per capita as Stockholm is a horribly analogy for Stockholm as a rich city.

http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/research/files/reports/2012/1/18-global-metro-monitor/0118_global_metro_monitor.pdf
2  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of this proposal on: August 30, 2015, 10:51:21 am
I think the signalling value might be useful. Then again, it seems like this should be possible within the framework of sexual harassment law.
3  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Labour Party leadership election 2015 on: August 30, 2015, 10:08:05 am
I was responding to the statement that the 60s was a better decade than the current one (which seems to have now been retracted, in fairness).

That the Wilson government fixed some of those things towards the end of the 60s is irrelevant to that claim.

Anyway, social policy aside, look at any decent metric of welfare and obviously people are better off now. Leftist radical nostalgia for poverty is annoying. I guess if you like poverty supporting Corbyn makes sense though.
4  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Labour Party leadership election 2015 on: August 30, 2015, 03:10:29 am
Did anyone see the Newsnight focus groups last night? They were basically the full versions that were in the Buzzfeed article I mentioned earlier

Didn't one of them say that Corbyn's policies are right out of the 60s? Lol, as if that decade wasn't far better to live in than the current one (for the average Brit, anyway). Most of the policies were better too.

1. Abortion was illegal
2. Life expectancy was about a decade shorter
3. Homosexuality was illegal

Yeah, if only we could return to the good old days, eh?
5  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Labour Party leadership election 2015 on: August 30, 2015, 03:07:09 am
Did anyone see the Newsnight focus groups last night? They were basically the full versions that were in the Buzzfeed article I mentioned earlier

Didn't one of them say that Corbyn's policies are right out of the 60s? Lol, as if that decade wasn't far better to live in than the current one (for the average Brit, anyway). Most of the policies were better too.

That's offensive nonsense.
6  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Why Dave and the mods are letting the website becoming a new Stormfront? on: August 26, 2015, 04:59:17 pm
What is this about now?
7  General Politics / Economics / Re: Is anyone paying attention to what happened today? on: August 24, 2015, 12:02:43 pm
Capitalism doing what it does best.

Yeah, the world now, after a slump in the stock market is so much worse than...oh wait, it's only worse than other, better days in capitalist societies. What a shocker!
8  General Politics / Economics / Re: Is anyone paying attention to what happened today? on: August 24, 2015, 12:01:43 pm
My portfolio is holding up surprisingly ok, only down by about 1.5%.
9  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Are you offended by whites making racist comments about whites? on: August 23, 2015, 04:28:38 pm
No, but I'm not white. However, there is one phrase I definitely object to: calling white working-class people "white trash", which is something I heard quite often from liberal friends who don't like the way white working-class people tend to vote. I will always voice my opposition on that. People, regardless of color, are not "trash", period.

Oh, there are tons of people that are trash.

I've heard people oppose it on the grounds that white trash kind of implies that there is something remarkable about white people being poor or misbehaved, so that there is a subtle racism in it.

I think there is something to that, but on the other hand the term has a specific meaning by now that I think is independent from that aspect.
10  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Would you rather discuss music with BRTD or discuss sex and gender with Antonio? on: August 23, 2015, 04:25:48 pm
How is that a close one? Antonio represents a pretty standard and broadly reasonable view of sex and gender issues.

I don't think I need to comment on the comparative. Tongue
11  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Will Napoleon be allowed back? on: August 23, 2015, 11:34:41 am
Napoleon had a psycho vibe even before he turned out to be Hamilton. I don't get how people can be so gullible that they "like" a fake personality created to manipulate them even AFTER they know that is what it was.
12  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: August 2015 Federal Election - At-Large Senate on: August 22, 2015, 06:33:14 am

AT-LARGE SENATE


[ 5 ] Altsomn Stmarken (JoMCaR) of Maine
Federalist Party



[ 2 ] Cris of Kansas
Civic Renewal



[ 1 ] Evergreen of Maine
Northeast National Party



[ 4 ] Kalwejt of Ohio
Labor Party



[ 3 ] NC Yankee of North Carolina
Federalist Party




13  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Big Bad Swedish Politics & News Thread on: August 21, 2015, 12:42:16 am
Also, two more polls came out yesterday which basically confirm this result. The average of the 3 have SD narrowly behind SAP and narrowly ahead of M.
14  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Big Bad Swedish Politics & News Thread on: August 21, 2015, 12:41:06 am
Randomly jumping in here with two questions:

1.) Why is Stockholm a stronghold of the center-right?


2.) When I was visiting Vadstena, Odeshog, and Urnatur in May, I met two local green politicians. How strong is the Green Party in Sweden? Is it common for them to be in rural areas and small towns?

Also, we had a talk with the man who owns the treehouse hotel at Urnatur (he's one of the politicians we met) and told us he resented many Greens from the city because they believe that people should all live in cities, while he advocates that people live in the country. How strong is this divide in the Swedish Green Party?


Also, why the f*** do you people not export Kina Wafers??? They are now my favorite chocolate and they're not available in the U.S.

That is just wrong on so many levels.

1. Apart from recently with the SD, Swedish politics has a strong consensus on social issues and is divided mostly alongside economic lines. City people are rich. Imagine if New York was voting solely on economics and rural Kentucky was doing the same.

2. The Green party mostly has strength in cities and university areas but they exist elsewhere too. A former party leader made them biggest party in rural northern Kalix. Tongue The Green party generally does badly in rural areas for the reason you cited so I wouldn't call it a strong divide within the party.

The Kina wafers are under fire for racism, I believe, so that may not help. Wink
15  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Israel to Refugees: Go Back to Africa or Go to Prison on: August 20, 2015, 11:43:58 am
My dad read a quite interesting book about this which argued that the peculiar Jewish culture (or rather the culture that most in the West now associate with Jews) arose from being in the diaspora (being rootless cosmopolitans).

The book basically points out that the warrior tribe of the Old Testament is very different from stereotypical elderly doctors and pianists that symbolize modern Western Jewry. It then argues that the creation of Israel is getting it back to the old warrior ways. I think the theory has to do with having a land makes you less nice and more aggressive or something. Tongue

Given the context of the Holocaust that isn't necessarily an argument against Israel though, naturally.
16  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Labour Party leadership election 2015 on: August 20, 2015, 11:26:21 am
The desire of the far left to commit electoral suicide is always an amusing spectacle.

Corbyn strikes me as completely unelectable. There is a subtle line between electable centre-left and loony far left which is not always easy to spot. It is what in a PR system divides the marginal Communist/Ex-Communist voter from the marginal Social Democrat voter. With the special exception of Syriza (and maybe something else that I forget) the former type of party simply does not win elections in the Western world. And I feel Corbyn really falls on the wrong side of that line.
17  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Europe-Middle East-Africa Refugee Crisis General Thread on: August 19, 2015, 06:36:10 pm
Yeah, that's a lot. The political landscape in Europe is being shattered by this, which kind of sucks.
18  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Big Bad Swedish Politics & News Thread on: August 19, 2015, 05:45:15 pm
Good Lord.
19  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: What term to you prefer for Great Britain, Ireland and surrounding islands on: August 19, 2015, 11:07:54 am
Islands of the North Atlantic (IoNA) is one attempted name you didn't mention.  It's certainly better than Atlantic Archipelago, if only because it has a pronounceable acronym.  As for complaints that there are other islands in the (North) Atlantic, I don't think anyone in the United States of America, can voice them.

In the world of competitive debating this is the standard term. I'm still hoping that Jamaica will make a claim to join it though.
20  General Politics / Economics / Re: Behavioral economist Dan Ariely's take on neoclassical 'rational economics' on: August 17, 2015, 11:15:09 am
I wouldn't say economics require people to be the economic equivalent of perfect drivers. We are constructing our road system on the assumption that people know where they want to go and are trying to get there without getting themselves killed. That isn't universally true but it's true enough that it makes sense to assume it. I'd say that's a closer analogy.
21  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Oldiesfreak1854 Repository of Misogynistic Posts and Pejoratives on: August 16, 2015, 08:37:32 am
The connotations of witch has always been to smear and stigmatize powerful women, so of course it expresses misogyny.
22  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What's the most you've ever spent on booze? on: August 14, 2015, 10:44:17 am
I'm not sure I get the parameters. I spent an evening in Paris at a 10 euro/drink bar. That became quite the tab.

I've probably spent 100 euros or so a few times when buying in bulk.
23  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Big Bad Swedish Politics & News Thread on: August 13, 2015, 11:45:43 am
I also have some totally unrelated questions: recently, I read about Systembolaget. How popular is this among Swedish voters? Are there any polls about this? And how do you, Swedish posters, think about it?

I read that most of the complaining is about their opening hours (they supposedly close at 3 PM on Saturdays and then don't open again until Monday). That seems truly reasonable to me, as I consider it my own personal freedom to buy some beers on Sunday at 10:30 PM if I feel like doing so. But then again, I have this "liberal" Dutch perspective on this issue, which is, of course, not universal at all. I understand that there might be legitimate counterarguments. I'm really curious about your answers.

This is an issue where I'm about as lukewarm as the beers they sell. Tongue

But seriously, it's a nanny state argument. Swedish alcohol consumption is pretty low by European standards partly thanks to Systembolaget. The whole point is that it makes it harder to buy. The argument to the contrary is of course that it's bloody paternalism and I should be able to get a beer if I want to.

My issue is honestly less the opening hours and more the fact that they don't sell beer cold. So you can never get cold beer spontaneously.
24  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Big Bad Swedish Politics & News Thread on: August 12, 2015, 09:59:24 am
Two asylum seekers from Eritrea have been arrested for stabbing two people to death in an IKEA in Västerås. It seems that they didn't have a political motive. The police are investigating the details.

It's a terribly tragic event. The victims were a middle-aged woman and her son in his twenties. The police has so far only been able to release very limited information about their investigation. They've said that they haven't found any signs of a political motive so far, but they aren't ruling it out either. It's to early to know anything in other words. The lack of information has of course given birth to various rumors.

One of the suspected murderers are at the time being operated for wounds he himself received during the attack. The as of yet unconfirmed theory I've herd is that he was injured by the son who was trying to protect his mother.

The police is also taking security measures to protect the asylum centre were the two murderers were living, in order to prevent any violent acts of retaliation that might be directed at it.  
Terribly tragic indeed. Let's hope that the other, third victim will be alright.

Let's not, since the third "victim" seems to be the perpetrator. Tongue

Antonio, your post is exactly what the campaign aims at. Swedes take pride in being the type of country that others come to and are amazed by the tidiness and there not being visible poverty, etc.

This strikes effectively at the fears of many Swedes. Of course, the insane overreaction of, well, everyone not SD gave them the kind of coverage they could never have dreamed about. They basically admitted that this was their plan as well. The Swedish left is so easy to play for SD.
25  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Atlas vs. AAD? on: August 12, 2015, 09:26:50 am
And we've kept them under control without bans or moderator interference. How surprising.

Yes, and the overall quality of discussion has *shudder* improved dramatically even though we aren't banning people left and right for acting like trolls, having unpopular views, being socks, or just not being in the in-crowd like another forum that I know.

I'm not sure you can be more in-crowd-y than AAD. But sure, sure.
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