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1476  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: The Sovereign region of Texas Legislature. on: December 06, 2012, 03:22:22 pm
The people have spoken. Smiley
1477  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Ben Kenobi campaign thread on: December 06, 2012, 02:43:45 pm
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Yes, you also have to realize that he has not held any sort of comfirmation of the other Texans, his definition of Texas is himself, and he thinks that everyone in Texas is just a clone of him who agrees with everything he says.

Also I hit show comment so many times in this thread

I am unsure as to why Snowball would be privy to privileged communication between myself and the people of Texas.
1478  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: The Imperial Dominion of the South's Legislature on: December 06, 2012, 02:42:16 pm
After consultation with the other members of this legislature, and with the people of Texas, I am withdrawing the ordinances of secession. I will abide by whatever consequences the IDS wishes to impose upon me for pursuing this secession attempt. Smiley Texas will stay in the IDS.
1479  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: The Sovereign region of Texas Legislature. on: December 06, 2012, 02:40:03 pm
After consultation with the people of Texas, I am declaring that the motion for secession is hereby *withdrawn*, and that Texas has chosen to stay in the IDS for the present. Smiley This legislature is disbanded.
1480  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Ben Kenobi campaign thread on: December 06, 2012, 02:38:18 pm
The Office of Ben Kenobi is announcing that after consultation with party officials inside the IDS, outside the IDS, and my own constituents, that the motion for Secession is withdrawn.

I also have other follow up announcements to come. Smiley
1481  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Federalist Party of Atlasia on: December 06, 2012, 02:36:40 pm
I have no desire to break apart what we just worked to put together. After consultation with party officials both in the region, outside the region and my own constituents, I have decided to shut this down. Smiley
1482  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: What do we do if someone's committing treason but we have no AG on: December 06, 2012, 02:35:06 pm
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It's not the decision of the Senate. It's the decision of the Senate and the IDS, per the Constitution.

Then I'm not denying federal supremacy either.
1483  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: What do we do if someone's committing treason but we have no AG on: December 06, 2012, 03:33:24 am
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He's committing treason by refuting the supremacy of Federal law and ignoring the Constitution.

I've said I'll abide by whatever the senate decides since it's the decision of the senate per the constitution. Ergo, I'm not denying 'federal supremacy'.
1484  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: MA: Directive to Regional Offices on the Status of Texas (Debating) on: December 06, 2012, 02:45:29 am
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Wouldn't this mean you should pursue judicial reform, not secession

Secession is a means to achieve judicial reform not otherwise available.

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But clearly the IDS does not consent, and you do need its approval as well.

Indeed. The antipathy of certain members of the legislature is great enough as to suggest my lynching on the steps of the IDS legislature. Ergo, I suggest that consent not be desired nor required in light of the nature of this dispute. I do not believe this constitutional principle has been tested prior.
1485  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: MA: Directive to Regional Offices on the Status of Texas (Debating) on: December 06, 2012, 02:11:03 am
I do apologize to the Governor of Indiana.

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That seems likea much further deprivation of rights to me.

People who hurt other people end up in jail. Seatown's case was a bad faith attempt to deprive other people of their votes, and should have proportionate consequences to Seatown. As it is, he gets a slap on the wrist and told, "don't do it anymore", whereas, if he succeeded, he would have been seated. Risk/reward is profoundly on the side of reward as there was no risk or cost to him.

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But you didn't even try... you seceded in bad faith without making an effort to protect the votes of Texans.

As you well know, not all negotiations are public. Smiley

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And even if you were right on all of this, you're still ignoring the Constitution.

Would I be here if I intended to bypass the constitution? If I need the approval of the Senate, than I shall seek it. I have already stated that Texas is not seceding from Atlasia, merely from the IDS. That means I have already acknowledged your authority in this particular matter, and I shall accept whatever the Senate decides.
1486  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: MA: Directive to Regional Offices on the Status of Texas (Debating) on: December 06, 2012, 01:58:13 am
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There are much better alternatives to succession - The Mideast Government is ready to assist in finding a peaceful solution between Texas and the IDS Government.

What alternatives would the honourable senator from Indiana suggest? I am open to discussion and negotiation, else I would not be here. I have no more desire to shed Southern blood than any of you. I just want to preserve the natural rights of the people of Texas for perpetuity.
1487  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: MA: Directive to Regional Offices on the Status of Texas (Debating) on: December 06, 2012, 01:54:17 am
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What further safeguards do you propose?

Regional exile for any citizen, in this case seatown who attempts to deprive another citizen of their exercise of the franchise for their own benefit. It would act as a deterrent to future shenanigans.

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The regional amendment regarding voter intent passed 15-0, and I see no other legislation introduced to you on the subject of proposed safeguards.

None public, no.

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Wouldn't that make this your failure, as a legislator, not the failure of the IDS as a region?

The support for my draft bill simply wasn't there in the IDS legislature at present given the current structure of the IDS legislature. Hence why Texas does not feel safe with the situation at present and would much prefer to govern themselves rather than be a part of the IDS.
1488  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: IDS: Petition to Recall Legislator Ben Kenobi on: December 06, 2012, 01:43:25 am
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He's merely saying it's ironic for you to still call yourself an IDS legislator after having claimed to have seceded from the region.

No more so than a cabinet minister with his district and portfolio.
1489  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Ben Kenobi campaign thread on: December 06, 2012, 01:35:26 am
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Duke and Kenobi, may I suggest you two draft a bill together? It may be just the thing to heal this rift and get back on the same page

I would be more than happy to do so if Duke is willing. I understand that he is busy and such legislation wouldn't likely come up for some time.
1490  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: IDS: Petition to Recall Legislator Ben Kenobi on: December 06, 2012, 01:33:17 am
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Not at all; it is Constitutionally enshrined as part of the IDS, which your movement seems to conveniently ignore. I'm simply stating the apparent hypocrisy that you've claimed your state is no longer a part of the IDS yet you still serve in the IDS's legislature.

Then, given that the region of Texas does not, at present, legally exist, I am still the elected representative for the second at large seat for the IDS.

Indeed, you could not properly initiate these proceedings were this not so.
1491  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: MA: Directive to Regional Offices on the Status of Texas (Debating) on: December 06, 2012, 01:25:27 am
Thank you sir Inks.

*ahem*

I wish to thank you and all the members of the Senate whom are gathered here today.

I wish to ask of you an indulgence and your further patience, while I explain to you the plight of the people of Texas, and why we wish to leave the Imperial Dominion of the South.

As many of you know, the recent case of seatown vs the IDS reached the Supreme Court of this glorious land, and was unanimously rejected. Seatown, having lost an election and been rejected by the people of the IDS, chose to fight the result of the election through the courts, even though the ballots clearly indicated that the people of the IDS did not and do not want him as their representative.

In doing so, seatown attempted to invalidate the ballots of 12 citizens of the IDS, for whom I am a representative at large. In my official capacity I voted for JBrase to defend our good people against this travesty and we were successful. However, the people of Texas would not stand for this affrontry and attempted to declare martial law in response. They were angered that a citizen of the IDS would attempt to take their votes away and have them declared null and void - an anger I am sure all of you understand.

When I returned to my district, I was able to calm down the leader of the militia and get him to stand down his forces and await the results of the trial, which upheld their basic rights to an elected representative. However, this incident provoke a grave disquiet among my constituents.

They asked me, "Is it really true, that in the IDS, all it takes is one man to file this case to deprive us all of our votes?" and indeed, I had nothing more to answer them than a meek yes. Were it not for our benevolent Judicial overlord Dibble, we would be nothing more than slaves to those who would consider themselves to be their betters.

Thus, the people of Texas are concerned that inadequate safeguards have been established to prevent this from occurring again. Given the growing support for the party for which seatown belongs, they expressed concern that the Labour party was attempting to win through stuffing the ballot box, what they could not win through the legal system.

They are worried, sirs, at losing their own sovereignty to those who know nothing of this beautiful land of the South, with our cotton blossoms and oh- so blue skies that just seem to extend forever. Those who have shuttled in on a bus to grasp a ballot and then shuffle off back up North, having done their trunchent task well.

The people of Texas, have cried out to me, asking that I do something to protect them in the event that the IDS should be overwhelmed. And, so I have. I have, earlier today, filed the Texas Ordinance of Secession in the legislature of the IDS for which I was duly elected as their representative and I am in the process of initiating the first legislative session of the Sovereign region of Texas.

I am willing to put the question to a plebescite among the peoples of Texas so that this Senate can see that there is desire among the people of Texas to remove themselves from the region of the Imperial Domain of the South. I ask that this Senate consider the wishes of the people of Texas first and foremost to good governance that serves their needs and desires first, and not those of others first and Texas second.

I thank you for your time and I bid you well.
1492  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: MA: Directive to Regional Offices on the Status of Texas (Debating) on: December 06, 2012, 01:04:36 am
May I address the Senate? Also there are some errors in the bill as worded.
1493  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: IDS: Petition to Recall Legislator Ben Kenobi on: December 06, 2012, 01:00:30 am
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But an IDS Representative has to reside within the boundaries of the IDS, something which you currently do not claim to do.

Are you arguing that Texas is, legally, at present, no longer part of the IDS?
1494  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Ben Kenobi campaign thread on: December 06, 2012, 12:55:31 am
Well, that's fine. You can understand that the region has been under a bit of a seige recently... I had enough trouble keeping order here back with seatown's bill. There were riots, etc, here.

It's a bit frusterating to be playing defense all the time and then go to the legislature and watching all your bills go down to 3-2 splits.
1495  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: IDS: Petition to Recall Legislator Ben Kenobi on: December 06, 2012, 12:50:43 am
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I merely supported the word of the law, as written, which has since been rectified by the legislature thanks to my case.

Well, if anyone's guilty of treason here, it is seatown for his attempt to disenfranchise other people. He might want to be careful about signing other people's treason documents.

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Besides, why are you still serving as an IDS legislator, if you no longer claim to be part of the region?

The Texas legislature isn't in session yet. Smiley I am waiting on the third member to open up proceedings. Legally I am still the IDS representative for the at large seat 2, until time of my election.
1496  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: The Sovereign region of Texas Legislature. on: December 06, 2012, 12:45:26 am
No, I didn't mean you, I meant Bacon King. You know, forming lynch mobs, rioting etc.

So do I. I want the region to remain whole, but if I can't save it all then I'll save what I can. I don't want to take this step, but my first duty is to the people of Texas and to protect them.
1497  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: The Sovereign region of Texas Legislature. on: December 06, 2012, 12:41:20 am
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But it's OK. I have been somewhat successful during my career in Atlasia. I hope the voters trust me. I know Texas doesn't, but thankfully I don't have to answer to them now that they're their own country

Yes, and it appears the 'oh so friendly' labourites are showing their true spirit of collegeality. Smiley

Wanting to execute me?
1498  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: IDS: Petition to Recall Legislator Ben Kenobi on: December 06, 2012, 12:38:22 am
The same man who supported depriving 12 atlasian citizens of their right to vote is now attempting to remove their legally elected representative?
1499  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Ben Kenobi campaign thread on: December 06, 2012, 12:35:18 am
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It'll probably be worth your time to read this thread:

http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=166016.0

Ah, yes. Good ol' Labour hospitality. Smiley
1500  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Ben Kenobi campaign thread on: December 06, 2012, 12:34:14 am
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It was not a partisan vote because it was proposed by a Labor. No one messaged me asking for me to vote a specific way. I voted my conscious, as I have always done. I am not some shrill partisan guy - I do what is best for this region I have devoted my entire time in Atlasia to. I felt including all of the states in the discussion of these funds was the best way to go - I don't regret my vote, nor do I regret giving your state some money to help it economically.

Then why have you a 100 percent voting record this term for supporting labor? For a supposed independent, you have a very strong voting block. 
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