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1476  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Should we make voting mandatory? on: November 07, 2014, 10:11:08 am
Yes, for Republicans.
1477  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Cheer up Dems! We're still winning the long game on: November 05, 2014, 05:03:53 pm
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Senators-elect Ernst, Sullivan, Gardner, Daines, and Rounds would like a word with you about this "complete Southernization" of the GOP.

Meh. Flyover country. What do the Democrats care about losing every senate seat East of the Colorado and South of the Potomac.

Edit - Darn Maryland.
1478  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Which Election Year Was More Awesome? on: November 05, 2014, 05:01:01 pm
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It's like having the perfect red zone defense for the entire season. Even if your offense sucks (senate, WH) the fact that the other team never gets to score for potentially decades is pretty awesome (why Democrats were really spoiled politically from basically FDR until 1994).

^^FYI, this may be my first football analogy I have ever used... so I'm not "one of those people" (at least last I checked).

Dat house majority tho. It's not like we gave up the House to get the Senate.
1479  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: NRCC Chair Walden declares 100 Year Reich on: November 05, 2014, 04:30:40 pm
If Texas can survive 25 years, why not America?
1480  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Which Election Year Was More Awesome? on: November 05, 2014, 04:29:55 pm
2014 is a bigger senate landslide.

I'm going to go with 1980 over both. Morning in America indeed.
1481  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Looking Past The Myths About Election 2014 on: November 05, 2014, 04:12:32 pm
Perhaps because people no longer trust Democrats to enact their policies?
1482  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: League of the South Makes An Appearance in Maryland on: November 05, 2014, 04:00:26 pm
Peroutka! I used to try to win elections with him.
1483  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: BREAKING: Angus King will announce at 3:30 which party he plans to caucus with on: November 05, 2014, 03:15:19 pm
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If you're truly an independent, why is it wrong for you to change who you caucus with? He's not a Democrat.

:lol:

He's not like us 'true' independents. Wink
1484  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Harry Reid to run for Minority Leader on: November 05, 2014, 02:12:51 pm
Reid, Pelosi and Clinton.

Man, that's going to amp the youth vote.
1485  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: NRCC Chair Walden declares 100 Year Reich on: November 05, 2014, 02:09:04 pm
You missed out on the Abbott party last night.

Perry had a ton to say about what TX was like before. Twenty Five years now, since a democrat was governor.
1486  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: "Tea Party" saves Obama/Dems from a 61/39 Senate on: November 05, 2014, 12:58:17 pm
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Mourdock (Indiana)
Akin (#legitimate Rape) Missouri
Berg - (North Dakota)
Angle (Nevada)
Raese (West Virginia)
Buck (Colorado)

Thanks for the 2016 target for GOP president, 60/40 majorities in Senate and House. All in reach in 2016.
1487  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Craziest results of this election on: November 05, 2014, 12:56:22 pm
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More just incredibly ironic considering how much hype she got.

I can confirm that TX GOP explicitly targeted that seat. TX GOP went all shock and awe this year they wanted to dominate everything - governor, lieutenant governor, house, senate, tx house, tx senate, judicial appointments, land commissioner, dog catcher you name it.

They didn't want to just win. They wanted massive, soul crushing defeat.
1488  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Craziest results of this election on: November 05, 2014, 12:33:40 pm
Republican strength in CT, VT, and the MA win. Apparently republicans are back to being competitive even in the NE.
1489  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Official GOP Gloating Thread. on: November 05, 2014, 12:31:49 pm
1490  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: IDS September Regional Election on: September 23, 2013, 12:15:23 am
[1] Jack Enderman (FED-FL)
[2] Write-in: Pingvin (FED-TX)
1491  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Party idea, two right wing parties on: August 28, 2013, 11:54:12 am
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Again, look at the context of what He was saying.  Gender was not the subject of that teaching.

Then why did Christ say, "He made them male and female?" It's all connected together. The ideal of marriage is one man and one woman, and Christ explicitly stated this as so. Everything outside of this is sin.

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Why He excluded gay couples is irrelevant

Again, he specifically affirmed that marriage is between one man and one woman. This *IS* significant, since SJoyce was stating how he could 'reconcile' his Christianity with support for gay marriage. The two are not compatible and gay marriage is incompatible with the Christian definition of marriage as Christ himself stated.

"not doing so wouldn't have made sense given the nature of most same-sex relationships at that time."

If Jesus Christ were merely 'expressing the concept of marriage at the time', why did the disciples say after, "if that is the case it is better for a man and a woman not to marry?" Jesus expressed the transcendent definition of marriage - marriage for all times.

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It's not my burden to prove why Jesus used that choice of words

So, show me. Where is there any evidence whatsoever that Jesus said, "gender is irrelevant to marriage" You said it. Where is this? I don't see it.

You've got absolutely nothing. There's no evidence for your position whatsoever.

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Good for you.  You will keep your teaching job whether gays marry or not.

Conservatives who have expressed their opinion that gay marriage is wrong have been fired. So yes, gay marriage does have a profound negative effect on my life.

So, any *other* terrible arguments? ".
1492  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Party idea, two right wing parties on: August 28, 2013, 10:26:37 am
"In Matthew 19, Jesus was talking specifically about divorce, not about gender roles in a marriage."

Then why does Christ say, "He made them male and female"?

"Ben, the fact that you're saying you won't vote for SJoyce again because of one issue which, I might add, has no impact on your life whatsoever, is pretty frickin' ridiculous."

Yes, it does have an impact on my life. I teach for the Catholic church.

Next terrible argument?
1493  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Party idea, two right wing parties on: August 28, 2013, 08:46:16 am
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Much as we destroyed traditional marriage by allowing interracial marriage, yes, I'm aware.

Traditional marriage is defined by Christ as 'one man, one woman'. For life. Not two men, not two women, not 'till I can trade you in for a better, younger, cheaper, model.

You can support gay marriage all you like. You do so contrary to Christ.

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The reason I'm not pushing these issues, and the reason there seems to be a truce on them, is because they are largely settled.

Forcing it on the regions is not a settled issue. You vote the Labor party line on that and I'll never vote for you again. Ever.

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See below, but the civil unions we have in Atlasia in place of government-sanctioned marriage are a wholly civil and secular institution.

Again, that doesn't address the point. You are claiming Christianity backs you up here. Where? If you're willing to concede that your belief is contrary to Christ we can move on.

I have no issue with the statement that 'marriage as a secular institution, etc'. That's a respectable argument. Arguing that Christians should support gay marriage is a whole 'nother ball of wax.

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The Economist has an excellent explanation of why polygamy is different.

I thought you said you were a Christian? Are you saying that what the economist says trumps what the bible says?

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prohibiting polygamous marriage is placing a prohibition on conduct, while prohibiting gay marriage is discriminating based on biology.

So you're saying, in essence that people do not choose to have sex. Rape and consent are thusly impossible because people have urges that must be satisfied.

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That's not my burden to prove, it's your own: I can provide no instances of Jesus condemning same-sex marriage or actions

Can you find one. Just one, where he condones homosexual activity.

And I can find one easy for you. Matthew 19. "He made them male and female". Why create two sexes which are capable of having sex with one another and having children - if that is not what sex was made for?

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and cannot derive from the Gospel a Biblical prohibition of same-sex relationships.

Again, Matthew 19. It's all right there.

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Look: I don't want a culture war. But I will defend the rights of same-sex individuals.

Then admit that Jesus explicitly teaches that the ideal of marriage is one man and one woman for life. Which is exactly what he does teach.
1494  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Party idea, two right wing parties on: August 26, 2013, 01:03:33 pm
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Okay. Dude, I like you. But damn it you're digging yourself a bigger hole here. Nobody here has an issue with Christianity and nobody is seriously trying to destroy 'traditional marriage'.

Yes, you're destroying traditional marriage because you're eliminating the entire concept. Now, I'm happy to vote for others like yourself (see my first preference), on the grounds that we have a truce on these issues. You don't push the same Labor party line, we support you in the elections.

Want to go to war over this, you'll happily lose folks like JCL and myself and our support. Forever.

Not voting for you is less of a consequence then going against what our faith teaches.

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We're just not legislating on the basis of Christianity.

Far from it, you're legislating contrary to Christianity.

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We accept equality in marriage

Do you believe it's discriminatory that marriage is limited to only one person?

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As a Christian I've been able to reconcile my faith and gay equality.

So. Show me where Jesus blesses gay marriage. I don't see it. Personally, I think you're lying here. You don't really care what Christ has to say so long as it's in line with your social liberalism.

Prove me wrong. Show me how Jesus does indeed state that your believe is coherent with his teachings.

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And the income tax is the main method of government revenue, so repealing it is bizarre.

The government functioned quite well without it. It will function quite well without it again. It's a pity that conservatives aren't willing to defend their own ideology! I can't imagine a laborite coming out and admitting that socialism was flawed. Why do we have to work at convincing those who are supposed to be on our side.

What the heck does Federalism even stand for if it doesn't stand behind fiscal conservativism?
1495  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Office of JCL on: August 26, 2013, 12:54:08 pm
JCL:

I was thrilled to see you on the ballot. Smiley

Thanks for running. You made THIS socon damned proud. Smiley I gave you my third preference, because I wanted SJoyce to make it (having worked with him in the IDS), and TM to make sure he got in.

Please, some of us did notice and are glad you ran.
1496  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Tmthforu94 for At-Large Senate! on: August 26, 2013, 12:51:45 pm
Congrats TM! I'm sure you'll do a fantastic job. this was the best ballot I've ever had the pleasure to fill.
1497  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: SJoyce for Senate: August 2013 At-Large Campaign Thread on: August 26, 2013, 12:43:15 pm
Gave you my first preference as well. Pity. :b:
1498  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: August 2013 Federal Election - At-Large Senate on: August 25, 2013, 02:58:11 pm
[ ] Gass3268 of Wisconsin
Labor Party

[3] JohanusCalvinusLibertas of Indiana
Federalist Party

[4] Maxwell of Oklahoma
Federalist Party

[ ] Napoleon of California
Labor Party

[1] SJoyceFla of Florida
Light Party

[2] tmthforu94 of Kansas
Federalist Party

[  ] Xahar of California
National Movement "Aliya Mustafina"

[5] Write-in: Goldwater of Delaware
Federalist Party

[6] Write-in: Jesus Christ
[7] Write-in: Blessed Virgin Mary

[  ] None of the above
1499  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Office of Supersonic (IDS legislator) on: August 21, 2013, 12:25:25 am
Congrats Supersonic. Very happy to have cast a ballot for you. :b:
1500  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Survey Atlasia: Late Term Abortion Ban (by Party) on: August 21, 2013, 12:24:25 am
Add my vote to the Federalist support to keep the ban. We don't have the right to kill other people just because they are unwanted or inconvenient. People are people and possess the natural right to life.
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