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1476  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The South will rise again. on: July 02, 2016, 01:27:03 pm
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Then tell your new found friend, Evergreen to introduce it. That would be nice.

I guess the bloom is off that love affair...
1477  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The South will rise again. on: July 02, 2016, 01:09:18 pm
One Fed bill, the rest neutral bills and two, that are wholly unsupportable. I don't really see how I'm getting much bang for my vote, Classic.

Pretty sad that out of 5 bills, only one is any good. 1/5 is a terrible batting average. You're below the Mendoza line.

You do know, classic, that I literally have a prolife bill written up all ready to go?
1478  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The South will rise again. on: July 02, 2016, 01:05:34 pm
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So there are still three others on the floor.

Cap punishment, which you opposed, may I say, that you are now arguing is a Fed bill?

Freedom to Donate has serious problems.

So that leaves one bill, the Muslim Brotherhood Terrorist designation act.
1479  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The South will rise again. on: July 02, 2016, 01:01:29 pm
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Really, I suppose you haven't seen The Muslim Brotherhood Terrorist Designation Act of 2016 and The Currency Tactile Feature Act and The Capital Punishment Abolition Admendment and Freedom to Donate Act of 2016. You are really sounding dumb, Ben. You should be familiar with the facts.

The Currency Tactile Feature act was extensively modified by NeverAgain to make Atlasian bills look like plastic.

Seems like a Labor bill to me.
1480  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The South will rise again. on: July 02, 2016, 12:51:36 pm
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     Believe me, I am fully expecting to see a pro-life bill come down the pike soon.

You'll have to deliver something pretty soon. So far all the bills that have been up have been Labor bills.
1481  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The South will rise again. on: July 02, 2016, 12:35:55 pm
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If you think CCon is anything other than a conservative, you're only lying to yourself.

I didn't know that Labor was the conservative party now.
1482  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The South will rise again. on: July 02, 2016, 12:27:29 pm
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Oh, you are really funny, Ben.

The sad thing, classic is that you used to have credibility as a conservative. Do you really think Labor respects you now?

They are overjoyed that someone they once perceived as a conservative has come over all the way to endorse their ideas... without them having to do anything!

You've handed Truman a greater victory than I ever could, Classic.

What are you going to do now? Unsay what you said earlier? Or cross over to the dark side?
1483  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The South will rise again. on: July 02, 2016, 12:21:19 pm
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He isn't a Federalist, though

Classic? News to me. Wink
1484  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The South will rise again. on: July 02, 2016, 12:01:57 pm
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Who knew that Classic Conservative was a closet socialist? Welcome to the dark side!

It seems we're finding more things out about the supposedly 'conservative' Federalist party everyday. Wink

I guess it's a good thing we let them into power. Now we get to see their true colors.
1485  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The South will rise again. on: July 02, 2016, 12:00:23 pm
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Leinad is pro-life, Ted is pro-life, Yankee is pro-life, FFS Tmth is pro-life. Your tantrum has nothing to do with abortion, don't pretend like it does.

Then where's the beef? If the party is so prolife, why haven't they introduced a prolife bill yet?

Why don't the prolife bills come first?
1486  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The South will rise again. on: July 02, 2016, 11:58:52 am
Ahahaha! Someone doesn't like facts.

From the CDC:

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Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM)a represent approximately 2% of the United States population, yet are the population most severely affected by HIV. In 2010, young gay and bisexual men (aged 13-24 years) accounted for 72% of new HIV infections among all persons aged 13 to 24, and 30% of new infections among all gay and bisexual men. At the end of 2011, an estimated 500,022 (57%) persons living with an HIV diagnosis in the United States were gay and bisexual men, or gay and bisexual men who also inject drugs.

That means that homosexual men are roughly 30x as likely to contract HIV than the general population. That's right, folks 2 percent of the population has 57 percent of the incidence.

The CDC also states that smoking is 15-30x the risk for lung cancer, meaning that the connection between homosexuality and HIV is stronger than between that of lung cancer and smoking.

Sorry, Classic. Your 'well meaning bill' is misleading and wrong. And it will result in more tainted blood scandals that cost atlasia millions of dollars.
1487  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SB 2016-004: Freedom to Donate Act of 2016 on: July 02, 2016, 11:27:16 am
Sue them both. It is the responsibility of the donor and the FDA to ensure that donors have a clean bill of health before donating. Anyone caught donating HIV tainted blood, either through the screened blood, or through prior medical records shall also be barred from ever donating again in the future.

Also, cap the claims at 5 million against anyone found donating. That's about right for infecting people with HIV. Just because someone is ignorant of their HIV status, is hardly compensation to the victims. If you're going to have people trust the blood supply, you're going to have to ensure that those who abuse the privilege are punished. People's lives are at stake here.
1488  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The South will rise again. on: July 02, 2016, 10:39:37 am
Thanks, evergreen. As I said, it was a masterstroke. I'm in great admiration with how you got TM to come over to the Labor while staying a Fed.
1489  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Real Tweets from @PrezGriff on: July 02, 2016, 10:36:01 am
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rehabilitate both radicals and their heinous actions, so they can go for another romp in the park I guess.

How was the honeymoon with evergreen?
1490  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The South will rise again. on: July 02, 2016, 10:31:13 am
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I'm pretty certain that the Labor Party is more than 50% gay/queer, so I don't know how jumping shift to an overtly pro-LGBT party (which you did on your own accord) is making your point - whatever that may be.

I'm leaving an overtly pro homosexual marriage party. That is the point I'm driving home.

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The Atlasian right has always taken a centrist approach to social issues, at least as far back as I can remember.  The socon wing of the Federalist Party is simply too small to have much of an impact on politics here.

That is not what Yankee et al have been saying. Wink They've been talking nonsense about how we have three parts and all parts have to have a say. The reality has been that TM is terrified of socons and this is why he muzzles them. And belittles them in public.

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Indeed, I doubt Leinad would be president today had he not embraced some socially liberal positions, such as that with respect to the "bathroom" controversy.

Uh, there are sensible choices for that, such as providing a third bathroom in public spaces and allowing businesses to make their decision rather than having it forced on it from a mandate. We all worked out an acceptable compromise there.

As for the Evergreen/TM bill, that bill is *so* bad it doesn't pass on libertarian principles let alone on socon issues. We're supposed to be funding expensive, unnecessary medical services as a mandate?

TM opposed regulations for the Catholic church to be exempt from employer provisions, meaning they would be forced to hire opposing Hosanna Tabor.

What am I supposed to do here? Sit back and support a bill that is unsupportable? I tried to negotiate with TM, and then realized afterwards that he had no intention of negotiating and wanted to ram this through over Fed opposition.

I asked him, "why not pass prolife stuff first". It's clear to me that the Federalist party is willing to sell out libertarianism let alone socon stuff so that TM gets his hobby horse. It's a sad thing all around. 

So I did the only choice I had, leave the party and speak out against TM's bill. Yankee is saying that I broke a promise, which is why I left the Feds. I know that there are consequences for things, and I am willing to accept those consequences.

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If you want to support Labor and vote for our candidates, by all means do so.  I'm just interested in hearing your rationale for joining a party whose platform is diametrically opposed to what you believe, and as far as it shall exist, always will be.

I'm ok with that. I know where Labor stands and I am not campaigning that Labor change her principles in any way shape and form. I am entitled to vote for whomever I damn well choose. I want two parties, one which is Labor and one which is Fed. And I want a Fed party that is openly prolife and socon. The only way I can get that right now is to vote for Labor so that the Feds don't get my vote.
1491  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The South will rise again. on: July 02, 2016, 10:20:58 am
At least y'all are honest about that. It was TM who brought me back in the first place. Why? I'm baffled that he would. He knows where I stand on these things. Telling me to sit down and shut up about an evergreen bill? FFS. I didn't vote for that, and I certainly didn't vote for TM to be shoving it down my throat.

I guess it was worth it to get a couple of votes.
1492  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The South will rise again. on: July 02, 2016, 09:54:13 am
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So I am suppose to kick someone out of party for "lying to the voters about what he stands for", because he is advancing a cause he promised to push for in his campaign? I realize I have been working my ass off the last three days and might not be thinking clearly, but this doesn't make the slightest bit of sense

Where did he promise to work together with evergreen to try to pass a bill that advocated for puberty blockers? If you can find that in his campaign literature, I'd be glad to hear it.

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Tmth ran as a social liberal. Leinad ran as a Libertarian, you even had a run in over that issue during the campaign. Nobody lied about anything to anybody. Except perhaps you when you made a string of promises to me that have since been broken.

Leinad was not the one who collaborated with Evergreen. I have no beef with Lienad.

That bill is so far left, that every one of it's provisions fails just by applying libertarian values, let alone social conservatives.

Arguing that our health care should be providing for expensive, non-medically necessary services is not a libertarian value. Nor is it a Fed value. Yet, we have here TM leading the cause to the point of demanding that socon Federalists not campaign against it.  

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Half of the Federalist Party is pro-Gay Marriage, or at least pro-gay rights. The other half is pro-respecting the community at the very least.

Then you lied to me. I was never told that I would have to support gay marriage to be a part of the party. TM, conveniently did not tell me that. I am looking forward to rewarding your lies with votes in equal proportion to what you received from me in the meantime. Votes, you never would have gotten if TM, or you, were straight with me at the beginning.

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The Party reflects the views that unite them as a whole.

So gay marriage is an official part of the Fed platform for which Federalists cannot oppose. Glad to hear it. That is why I left, Yankee. I will not sign onto any party that values that. I'm enjoying being part of Labor right now because you guys are getting the same treatment you've been giving me.

It's not a good feeling is it, Yankee?

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it does not point in that direction just for the sake of pointing in that direction.

As a Catholic, I cannot support a party that values gay marriage, and I sure as hell ain't gonna vote Fed.

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Except perhaps you when you made a string of promises to me that have since been broken.

So have you, Yankee. I at least have chosen to leave rather than try to muzzle you. You are wholly free to support puberty blockers and whatever, I can't say anything about that.

But I can damn well express my dissatisfaction with the direction of the party.

1493  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The South will rise again. on: July 01, 2016, 10:39:18 pm
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To build on what Classic is saying, most of us here in Labor are gay,  myself included. Labor supports this stuff more than the Feds, tbh. Anyways gotta stick up for my peeps.

Sure. I understand fully why Labor is supporting it. I'm not sure why the Federalists are supporting it. They seem confused about whom they actually represent. They seem to think that they *are* Labor.
1494  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The South will rise again. on: July 01, 2016, 10:37:59 pm
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Umm, Labor supports that Ben if you did not know. Evergreen who, I presume wrote the bill is a member of Labor

So why then are the Feds supporting it?
1495  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The South will rise again. on: July 01, 2016, 08:11:21 pm
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Once again, Ben proves that hating LGBT is the only issue he cares about.

Yes, because blocking a child's puberty is showing them 'love'. I want no part of the madness, you're welcome to it, Goldwater.

We have one party that supports this stuff and we have Labor. How sad is that?
1496  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: PiT for Southern Governor on: July 01, 2016, 02:36:24 pm
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Pretty dumb vote bro. I mean I enjoy that it is for me, but that doesn't mean much because voting for a different person because of a vendetta against Tmth is really stupid. Anyways while we are on the topic, people should vote because they support the person, not because of grudges...

Never Again, you earned my vote. Had you treated me the way that TM treated me you would not have earned my vote.
1497  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The South will rise again. on: July 01, 2016, 12:53:59 pm
Fine. Those wishing to add their names to the recall petition for TM can please PM me or post in the thread.
1498  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Labor Party Summer Convention-Welcome to Seattle (North Governor Endorsement) on: July 01, 2016, 12:51:47 pm
Hello, ascott:

I cannot speak for the majority of the laborites, nor can I speak for the Laborite party. I do not wish to participate in the forum as anything other than what I am, a citizen of Atlasia.

Nor, do I want to make the case to the Labor party as to what their bylaws ought to be.

All I can say is that, as a citizen of Atlasia, I would like the opportunity to remain a member of this party and to continue to vote in line with the directives of the Labor party.

Is that acceptable to the party as a whole? I would be another downballot vote for you in subsequent elections. Nothing more nor less. I do not seek to run for office, nor do I seek to change any of the party bylaws.

Ascott calls me a troll, rather I am a citizen who has been poorly served by his Federalist representative in congress. Surely there is room for someone such as me.

Anyhoo, whatever you decide is your decision and I will respect whatever you choose.

Now, I'll scoot off and leave you folks to your convention.
1499  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The South will rise again. on: July 01, 2016, 12:22:07 pm
TM, I could have done exactly what you did. Hell, I would have been speaker - got elected on Federalist votes and then be the swing vote for Labor, and still stay on as speaker.

How would you have liked that?

I thought about that but then I decided, I'm not like you, TM. I have enough honor not to screw the party over as hard as you just did.

You should resign, and stand up to a vote of your constituents.

1500  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The South will rise again. on: July 01, 2016, 12:17:20 pm
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Glorious news! Welcome to the Hive.

Indeed. I heard you're planning a nationwide 15 dollar an hour minimum wage? We should make sure to exempt all the unions.

You can even sign my name on top of it and call it bipartisan!
 

 
 
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