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1476  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Let's dispel with this fiction Trump will do relatively strong amongst blacks on: June 16, 2016, 05:50:51 pm
He might do better than that, about 14 percent if half of those who don't approve of him or Hillary end up voting for him.
1477  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: With all due respect, this board is becoming an echo chamber on: June 16, 2016, 05:49:36 pm
Good. Leave. You trumpets took over a forum *I* belonged to and you want to know what you guys did? You banned people for disagreeing with you over Trump.

Don't like it go elsewhere.
1478  Election Archive / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: ABC-Washngton Post: TRUMP's favorables tank hard on: June 16, 2016, 05:47:00 pm
Pretty close to my map except I have MS, LA, SC, MT and AK flipping.
1479  Election Archive / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: ABC-Washngton Post: TRUMP's favorables tank hard on: June 16, 2016, 08:19:20 am
Looking at favorables only, he's winning 4 demographics, Republicans, White Men and Conservatives. He's winning men by about a point.

He is losing white women and non college grads (by 10), those over 50 (by 10).

Looks to be a 57-43 election. So +7 for Hillary.
1480  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump: No guns for people on the terrorist watch list on: June 15, 2016, 10:08:56 pm
The NRA doesn't support this, because the no fly list has some serious issues, including lack of oversight. There would be nothing preventing Obama from putting people on it for political reasons.
1481  Election Archive / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: UT-SurveyUSA/Salt Lake Tribune: Utah still in play on: June 15, 2016, 10:03:16 pm
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The whites in Arizona appear to be more racist/supportive of Trump's building of a wall versus the "Jesus would welcome these people with open arms" Mormons in Utah (which is true). That's the difference.

If he's tied in UT, he's lost Arizona. 14 percent among Hispanics and holding level with Mitt means a loss.
1482  Election Archive / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: ABC-Washngton Post: TRUMP's favorables tank hard on: June 15, 2016, 07:12:56 pm
Splitting the difference between whites - gives us UT, ID, WV, WY and OK. That is all.
1483  Election Archive / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: ABC-Washngton Post: TRUMP's favorables tank hard on: June 15, 2016, 07:10:30 pm
That's a 50 state wipeout if everyone with a bad opinion of trump voted against him. 69.1-29.2
1484  Election Archive / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: ABC-Washngton Post: TRUMP's favorables tank hard on: June 15, 2016, 07:08:04 pm
Before I even touch the white sliders - that's 347-191. Wow.
1485  Election Archive / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: ABC-Washngton Post: TRUMP's favorables tank hard on: June 15, 2016, 07:04:22 pm
47-52 among self described conservatives? Ouch.
1486  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Should Republican delegates go nuclear and dump Trump at the convention? on: June 15, 2016, 07:03:19 pm
Given his support for stripping citizens of their rights via the TSA, I can't see the GOP continuing on.
1487  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Do you support Trump's temporary Muslim ban on: June 15, 2016, 06:58:12 pm
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Do you have a source for this statistic?

Mother Jones had a list. It doesn't seem to be exhaustive because it doesn't include Charles Whitman who killed 16, and it may have other omissions.

They included the following:

Pulse Nightclub (50) 2016
Virginia Tech    (33) 2007
Newtown          (28) 2012
Luby's             (24) 1991
San Ysidro       (22)  1984
Columbine       (15)   1999
US Postal         (15)  1986
San Bernardino (14) 2015
Binghampton    (14) 2009
Fort Hood         (13) 2009
Aurora             (12) 2012
Washington Navy (12) 2013
Red Lake         (10) 2005
GMAC              (10) 1990

From there, there have been three successive shooting attacks in the US from Muslims with more than 10 fatalities, San Bernardino, Fort Hood I and now Pulse nightclub. Of the list, Muslims are now 28-29 percent of the total, up from zero prior to the Obama administration. Even with Whitman and given the time periods involved, they are still up to about 20 percent. Which is tremendously out of proportion.
1488  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump or Johnson? on: June 15, 2016, 06:46:17 pm
Johnson, will likely end up voting for him or the constitution party.
1489  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump: No guns for people on the terrorist watch list on: June 15, 2016, 06:45:25 pm
Trump is a moron. He's really going to campaign against the NRA?
1490  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Should Republican delegates go nuclear and dump Trump at the convention? on: June 15, 2016, 12:16:50 am
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They're not going to start voting third party and they're sure as hell not going to stay home or vote Democratic.

You're wrong there. I was neverRomney and now am NeverTrump. I'm happy to go third party if it means that my voice is heard in the rejection of an abysmal candidate.

If Trump had left the prolife plank of the party alone, I could probably have been swayed. But when he came out and said he wanted to change it, he burnt his bridge with me.

Sorry Trump. You're going to be remembered along with McCain and Romney as one of the worst, if not the worst GOP nominee ever.

At least Goldwater had the excuse of running up against the Kennedy assassination.
1491  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Should Republican delegates go nuclear and dump Trump at the convention? on: June 15, 2016, 12:13:27 am
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You have a process in place. Trump masters the process and wins, following the rules, receiving millions of more votes than the guy in second and about 1,000 more delegates.

Last I checked Trump was whining about losing in Colorado through the same process.

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He wins a larger percentage of delegates than any candidate before him and has 1.4 million more votes than any previous Republican nominee.

What? No. He has a sh**tty percentage of delegates.

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The party elite follow by saying "to hell with the process" and void the votes of 13.4 million of your most hardened loyalists.

'most hardened'? LOL

Trump was rejected by 16 million + Republicans. Why should they have no say as to who their nominee will be.

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Do you expect them to stay with the party? Hell no.

If you are going to leave because Trump gets dumped, then why should we stay on if Trump is the nominee?

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I wouldn't. I'd change my registration and protest against every single Republican candidate down ballot. They would simply lose me as a voter. The party would cease to be functional and split in two.

And you're going to get a taste of your own medicine with all the #Nevertrumps. Johnson stealing 10 percent of the base is going to sink the Trumptanic.

The only question today is - are you going to go down with the ship or bail?
1492  Election Archive / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: UT-SurveyUSA/Salt Lake Tribune: Utah still in play on: June 14, 2016, 10:45:07 pm
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If these polls in Utah continue to show a close race, Arizona will certainly be in play.

AZ will be solid Hillary if UT is in play. I may have to adjust my forecast.
1493  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: GOP senator doesn't rule out a convention challenge to TRUMP on: June 14, 2016, 08:42:57 pm
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he voters, including myself, enthusiastically voted for Trump. For the party elite to tell the voters that they don't matter will destroy the party. You'd never get voters like me back in the fold to vote for another uninspiring RINO like Mitt Romney.

And when the Trumptanic sinks you'll go down with him. Good riddance!
1494  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: GOP senator doesn't rule out a convention challenge to TRUMP on: June 14, 2016, 08:39:18 pm
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Other than two-person races and incumbent Presidents, it's rare when any candidate gets a majority of the primary vote.  Trump got FAR MORE of the vote than any other candidate.

Furthermore, every successful GOP candidate has gotten 60 percent or more of the primary electorate. Trump's record lows suggest a Hillaryslide in the fall.
1495  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Should Republican delegates go nuclear and dump Trump at the convention? on: June 14, 2016, 08:32:07 pm
How is it an affront to the voters? A majority voted against Trump.
1496  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: PiT for The Southern Governor on: June 14, 2016, 05:43:25 pm
Endorsed!
1497  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: How much of a fascist are you? on: June 13, 2016, 09:41:21 pm
Neat test. Got a 25.
1498  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Do you support Trump's temporary Muslim ban on: June 13, 2016, 08:46:02 pm
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And what does Trump plan to do with the 1.5-6.0 million of us already here, newsflash TRUMP, I am an American citizen, born and bred as you are. A very large segment and I would dare say a slight majority of Muslims in the U.S are either native born or converts to the faith. There is a reason why African Americans make up a larger percentage of the overall adherent population here, they are the most likely to convert.

What to do about the ones who are American citizens? If they do terrorist attacks, lock them up and put them away. If they are conclusively shown to have sponsored terrorist attacks, also lock them up and put them away.
1499  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Do you support Trump's temporary Muslim ban on: June 13, 2016, 08:43:14 pm
Of all the gun attacks that killed more than 10 people in the US - Muslims now make 28.4 percent of the total, despite being about 2 percent of the total population in the US.

This is rather exceptional because as of 2009, that number was zero.
1500  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Latest RCP battleground map - Biggest surprise on: June 13, 2016, 08:37:27 pm
Why? I have Tx tossup.
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