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1476  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Were the GOP establishment wrong to back Romney so quickly ahead of Santorum? on: September 26, 2012, 02:21:44 pm
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is perceived to be way too far to the right socially.

By whom? The majority of Americans? The majority of Americans agree with Santorum. Atlasia is not representative of the nation as a whole.
1477  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Were the GOP establishment wrong to back Romney so quickly ahead of Santorum? on: September 26, 2012, 02:19:59 pm
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but voters would've been far more reluctant to support an alternative to Obama whose raison d' etre is opposing gay marriage, abortion, secularization of society, etc, when their focus is overwhelmingly on jobs and the economy.

Again, I don't see evidence this is true. Obamacare is a huge pocketbook issue - it's the largest tax raise in American history. That Romney shelves this entire issue from the start was a losing proposition. Anyways, moderates are now 0-2, and 0-3 going back to Reagan if you include Dole. 1-4 if you include GHWB.

That's not a good track record. Conservatives are 2-0.
1478  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Were the GOP establishment wrong to back Romney so quickly ahead of Santorum? on: September 26, 2012, 09:20:54 am
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who had incredibly high unfavorables among the general electorate by the time he withdrew

Romney had higher unfavorables than Santorum throughout the campaign.

Are you forgetting just how many states Santorum actually won?
1479  Election Archive / 2012 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: PA-Franklin & Marshall College: Obama+9 on: September 26, 2012, 09:15:53 am
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This is the first time in 40 years the state isn't seriously contested.

It's a good thing we didn't select this man, eh?
1480  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: How much are the House Republicans to blame for Romney's situation? on: September 26, 2012, 09:03:39 am
Wouldn't that suggest that running as a conservative actually helps you in the republican party?
1481  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Were the GOP establishment wrong to back Romney so quickly ahead of Santorum? on: September 26, 2012, 08:52:57 am
Electable to you, means nothing more than 'candidate is a moderate republican' who supports abortion and homosexuality.

Why are you a republican? What is it that Obama isn't doing for you? Romney's loss here proves that moderate republicanism is the problem. The problem isn't Romney. The problem isn't the candidate. The problem is the ideas behind Romney which are sabotaging him and the party.

How many elections is it going to take before you finally wake up to this fact? Republicans want someone who supports what they believe - traditional marriage and the humanity of the unborn. Having a nominee in a year where Obamacare is one of the top election issues who is most famous for being the architect for his own plan is like trying to win a football game with the opposition's playbook.

We are not going to beat the Democrats by playing their game. Republicans have to play their own game with their own goals that are not the same as what the democrats want.

What would it take for you to admit that moderate republicans are the problem? How many election losses would it take for you to change your mind, NC Yankee?
1482  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: How much are the House Republicans to blame for Romney's situation? on: September 26, 2012, 07:45:36 am
Uh, so let's see.

GOP runs on tea party conservativism, they kick ass and win seats.

Then they run on moderate republicanism and they lose.

Damn, guess we should blame the successful election winners for losing this time around. Hello!
1483  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Romney over the next month... on: September 26, 2012, 07:41:05 am
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Option 4, and, I'm expecting to happen on Gallup by Tuesday.

Too early for a JJ is always wrong meme?
1484  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Mitt Romney: Obama 'Did Not' Raise Taxes In First 4 Years (VIDEO) on: September 26, 2012, 07:38:53 am
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Someone posted the day that they think Romney is secretly working to get Obama re-elected. I'm starting to believe it.

That was me.

Worst. Nominee. Ever.
1485  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Were the GOP establishment wrong to back Romney so quickly ahead of Santorum? on: September 26, 2012, 07:09:28 am
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Romney's problems are entirely the result of his own flaws and his campaigns inability to deal with them, or organize in a way that could match what Obama is doing.

His positions are fine, it is a problem of articulation, not positioning.

So you're saying that Romney was, in fact, unelectable?

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Running someone who would have played right into Obama's hands on the War on Women

I got news for you - the war's been declared and we're losing. We might actually want to fight back for a change instead of rolling over and playing dead.

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Romney's wasn't doomed from the start.

Then why am I right about the outcome, and you were 100 percent wrong? I called this before he secured the nomination. I said that Romney didn't have what it took to beat Obama - that he wasn't electable - that the same flaws that were hampering him in the primary would cause Obama to roll over him like the armadillo caught in a passing lane.

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Every other candidate was a joke

Nope. Romney's the joke. That's what we said before, and we've been proven right. You said that Romney had a chance, and now you've been proven wrong.

So, might as well take your lumps now. Moderate Republicanism is dead and Romney killed it.
1486  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Were the GOP establishment wrong to back Romney so quickly ahead of Santorum? on: September 26, 2012, 05:43:59 am
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You really think a social issues election would have favoured you?

We're fighting a social issues election, it's just that Romney hasn't figured this out yet. Clinton's figured it out already.

Look at the comment. "you're afraid of control". All of you here are going full out negative on Romney because of economics? I think not. You're going out full blast because you know this is a referendum on Obamacare.

Santorum makes this a challenge. Romney concedes the election before it even starts. I said that a year ago and I say that again now.
1487  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Romney is a failure...and Ryan is not happy on: September 26, 2012, 05:39:15 am
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Could Herman Cain be the new replacement?

I'd buy it!
1488  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Which of the following states should Obama contest now: on: September 26, 2012, 05:36:53 am
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North Dakota

Terrible strategy. Romney does better among whites. Especially northern whites.

He'd be better off campaigning in AR and MS which is where he should be campaigning.
1489  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Charlie Cook: Private polling puts Obama ahead or tied in every swing state on: September 26, 2012, 05:35:15 am
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"Der Feind operiert jetzt am nördlichen Stadtrand zwischen Frohnau und Pankow und im Osten ist der Feind bis zur Linie Lichtenberg gelangt."

I would love to see someone make a youtube video - "Politico finds out that Romney has lost the election".
1490  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Were the GOP establishment wrong to back Romney so quickly ahead of Santorum? on: September 26, 2012, 05:26:34 am
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It's not the whole 'moderate' thing that's sinking the Republican Party. It's spineless moderate candidates who turn off independents by their tendency to embrace, placate and pander to the fringe elements of conservatism in order to solidify their support.

Right. So the moderates who are even more hardcore moderates will win. This is the blackjack strategy of doubling down on your losses so that when you eventually do win that you'll win all your money back.

It's simple brand loyalty. If you have a choice between fake socialism and the real thing - who are you going to support? The real thing. Every time. Republicans win when they offer a clear alternative. They lose when they try to be Democrat light.

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It makes people fear that they will be controlled by them if elected.

Oh, that's just complete rubbish. Look - you want to expand government. Clearly, you aren't afraid of government control over your life - even over your food with food stamps. What happens when the food stamps no longer show up in the mail? If you're not afraid with letting the government essentially decide whether you live or die then it's not control you fear.

No - what you fear is lack of control. You fear people choosing to make their own decisions. That's what scares you.

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The vast majority of the country does not share your worldview (I can empathize). Republican candidates could win again if they were actual moderates who stood for something.

:lol:

So they'll win by standing for everything and nothing at the same time. Bullsh**t. Hasn't worked. 

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Think about Romney. Six months ago, a large portion of America thought him to be more liberal than he claimed to be - conservatives, liberals and independents alike. Many, many people still believe this to be true.

And this impression of him hasn't changed at all. I hope you do have a point in here somewhere.


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In the broader context, he is to the right of Obama but still somewhat near the middle based on his record. In theory, he should be exactly what independents want, moderate enough to pull some Democrats away from Obama and acceptable enough to receive Republicans' support: he's not Obama. Yet this is not occurring. It's because he has no core, no spine and can't stand for what he believes. It is disgusting to swing voters.

He's alienated his own base. Plain and simple. You're assuming that independents are all liberal. Wink No, we're not.

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Then consider McCain. McCain had a lot of disadvantages working against him; age, a decade of Republican failure

Yeah, with 4 percent unemployment. Republican 'failure', gotcha. Wink

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Yet McCain began to slide in the final weeks, once he endorsed the reactionary Sarah Palin

Again, McCain was leading in the polls early into September. His slide coincided with the rather conveniently placed market crash. He chose Palin in mid August, and his polls went up after choosing her, not down.


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Suspending his campaign didn't do any favors.

And remind me why he suspended his campaign? Over Palin? Wink
1491  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Were the GOP establishment wrong to back Romney so quickly ahead of Santorum? on: September 26, 2012, 05:17:23 am
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Santorum's biggest problem is he's percieved as a cultural warrior. Even if one agrees with him non-zealously on such issues, he'd be hampered as not being seen as an "economics guy" when the economy is of top priority to the country by far. romney could run on his business credentials and executive experience, even though he's done a piss-poor job of executing so far. Santorum would've been better suited (hypothetically) in a 2004 or 1996 type-race.

Last I checked Romney is getting destroyed in this election. How did running on the economy while sacrificing social issues work out? Pretty poorly eh?
1492  Election Archive / 2012 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: AR-Talk Business/Hendrix College: Romney+21 on: September 26, 2012, 05:14:13 am
Hrm. AR is Arkansas not Arizona... And apparently I'm calling for an Obama victory there.
1493  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Where would the other candidates be? on: September 25, 2012, 04:56:58 pm
Conservativeliberal already won the thread with his post. I don't know why the rest of you are posting.
1494  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Students mocking Michelle Obama lunch mandate on: September 25, 2012, 04:49:29 pm
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Secondly, some schools are banning homemade lunches.

Man, it's almost like schools are prisons.
1495  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Were the GOP establishment wrong to back Romney so quickly ahead of Santorum? on: September 25, 2012, 02:54:03 am
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Santorum is a self centred, self absorbed, arrogant, graceless, fanatic, who will never be elected to any public office ever again at any time, anywhere in the United States of America.

And when Romney the moderate gets trounced what then? That will be 0-2 for the moderate wing.

Newsflash - republicans win when they offer a credible alternative to Obama, not just Obama lite.
1496  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Are the senate races a reason why Obama doesn't visit Indiana/Missouri/Montana? on: September 25, 2012, 02:50:26 am
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Obama isn't going to win in Indiana, Missouri or Montana but he could force the gop/romney camp to spend money however he isn't doing it.

Oh, ye of little faith. Smiley
1497  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Romney is hemorrhaging senior voters; down 16 points in two weeks on: September 25, 2012, 02:48:42 am
:lol:

I'm famous. I'm either brilliant or mad.
1498  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Does Jenna Ryan Exist? on: September 24, 2012, 02:57:09 pm
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Pretty sure that's a man in drag. Small wonder they don't want the religious to notice him much.

I know Phil - you, sir, are no Phil.
1499  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Sarah Palin offers advice to Mitt Romney - use Reverend Wright on: September 23, 2012, 10:24:20 pm
Pretty sure he writes them and then cuts and pastes.
1500  Election Archive / 2012 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: Mason-Dixon: Obama/Romney tied in FL, MT poll still to come on: September 23, 2012, 08:09:32 pm
Moving MT to 'solid Obama'.
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