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626  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: The Imperial Dominion of the South's Legislature on: May 17, 2013, 04:56:10 pm
I still like the idea of giving the option to the legislature to object instead of requiring it, but I don't think that any more assurances are necessary. We won't get "3 seatowns" in the legislature anytime soon and I'm sure we can always count on one or two to not inject unnecessary partisanship into an appointment like this. So, other then that and an amendment clarifying the length of a speaker's absence do we have anything else we want to amend?
627  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Cuomo VS Jeb on: May 17, 2013, 12:07:26 am
Anyways, if Jeb Bush had a different name, he'd be up there with Christie as a candidate.

He's only a candidate because of his name.

What? He's the most popular living former Florida Governor and is still seen within the state as the Republican party's intellectual leader. Elsewhere his reputation may be based on his name, but in his home state he's got a lot of goodwill left over, especially among state Republicans. Being popular and experienced in the largest swing state would put anyone on the map as a top candidate.
628  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: The Imperial Dominion of the South's Legislature on: May 14, 2013, 10:12:10 pm
An overly partisan legislature nixing an Emperor's suggestion on partisan grounds is just as bad as an Emperor appointing someone on partisan grounds. As for suggestions, perhaps change it to allow the appointment to go through automatically unless the legislature voluntarily rejects it? I just don't want to add unnecessary extra votes to a legislature that already takes time to get things moving.

As for the time period, since legislation under this bill is required to be discussed for at least 72 hours maybe that should be the timeframe? If a speaker introduces something and is away for longer then that the problems would really start.
629  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: The Imperial Dominion of the South's Legislature on: May 12, 2013, 11:52:46 pm
I think I agree with Sjoyce on this. Getting legislative approval for appointments seems time consuming and mostly pointless when elections are so frequent anyway. As long as future Emperors continue to appoint people who are more or less similar ideologically to the legislator who is leaving I don't think its necessary. The only problem is if some future Emperor decides to throw that precedent out.

I agree with Velasco that a clarification of 8.1.4 is in order, voting for a new speaker seems a bit excessive for, say, a two day absence.


My biggest problem with the bill is that it forces too many formal procedures on what has always been a less formal process. It'll be difficult to adapt to using motions and introducing cloture and I'm not sure if the benefits from the change are worth it.
630  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: SE House legislation introduction Thread on: May 11, 2013, 10:21:22 am
Uhh...can you introduce that? Aren't only legislators able to introduce something like that?
631  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 1992 United States Presidential Election on: May 10, 2013, 08:58:30 pm
Voted Paul but it left a bad taste in my mouth. I hope I never have to choose between so many terrible candidates.
632  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: The Imperial Dominion of the South's Legislature on: May 10, 2013, 06:15:44 pm
Ok then, I'll bring up the rest of the bill for debate:

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SECTION 6: FINAL VOTES

6.1 If debate on the legislation under consideration has halted for longer than twenty-four (24) hours, the amount of debate time that the legislation has been given exceeds seventy-two (72) hours and there are no amendments pending, any Legislator may call for a final vote on said legislation.

6.2 At any time after the first seventy-two (72) hours of debate that are mandated, a motion for cloture passed with the concurrence of a two-thirds (2/3) majority of the Legislature shall end the debate, and the Speaker shall open a vote on the legislation under consideration. If the Legislature is presently voting on any legislative amendments, or if there are any Amendments pending, then the Legislature shall not vote on the motion for cloture until said amendments have been disposed of.
 
(6.2.1) After a motion for cloture has been made, no amendments to the legislation under consideration may be introduced unless said motion is rejected by the Legislature.

(6.2.1) If there is a consensus that work on the bill is finished, the Speaker may ask unanimous consent to waive the cloture vote requirement and proceed immediately to a final vote, on a piece of legislation. Legislators shall have 24 hours to object to the request, after which with no Legislator having objected, the Legislature shall proceed to a final vote on the legislation.

6.3 Final votes shall be open for forty-eight (48) hours, or until all Legislators have voted, if earlier. An amendment shall pass if a majority of Legislators vote in favour (with abstentions and absences not counted as votes). The Speaker shall certify the results of any vote within twenty-four (24) hours of the end of the voting period.

(6.3.1) The Speaker may halt a final vote only if proposed amendment to a piece of legislation has been missed.

(6.3.2) Until a piece of legislation under consideration has garnered enough votes either to pass or fail, no Legislator shall be prohibited from changing his or her vote on the legislation. Following the garnering of enough votes to either pass or fail, the Speaker shall announce this fact publicly in the appropriate thread. All Legislators shall have a period of time lasting twenty-four (24) hours after this announcement during which they may change their votes on the legislation. Following the expiration of this twenty-four (24) hour time period, the Speaker shall publicly declare the vote total to be final and shall apply said vote total to the legislation. All Legislators shall be prohibited from changing their votes on the legislation after this time.

SECTION 7: VETO OVERRIDE

7.1 The Emperor's veto on any piece of legislation duly approved by the Legislature may be overridden in accordance with Article III, Section 2 of the IDS Constitution.

SECTION 8: SPEAKER OF THE LEGISLATURE

8.1 The IDS Legislature shall elect a Speaker from within its membership at the start of every legislative session as specified by Article II, Section 3 of the IDS Constitution.

(8.1.1) After all Legislators have sworn in, Legislators who wish to run for Speaker will have forty-eight (48) hours to declare in "The Imperial Dominion of the South's Legislature" thread or a new thread as specified by later legislation.

(8.1.2) Once this time has elapsed, a vote on the election of the new Speaker will be opened in the same thread as specified in Subsection 1.1 above. This vote shall be opened for forty-eight (48) hours, or until all Legislators have voted, if earlier.

(8.1.3) Procedures to be followed in the case of an absence of a majority in the election of a Speaker or a vacancy in the position are specified in Article II, Sections 4 and 5 of the IDS Constitution.

(8.1.3.1) If "the Legislator with the longest continuous service" is the same as the Speaker who has vacated the position, the Legislator will the second-longest continuous service shall serve as Speaker.

(8.1.3.2) If the Legislator designated to serve as Speaker under the conditions specified in Subsections 1.3 and 1.3.1 publicly indicates that he/she does not wish to serve as Speaker, a new election must be held under the regular procedures.

(8.1.4) In the event that a Speaker publicly declares a leave of absence for a period longer than twenty-four (24) hours, he/she will be temporarily replaced until his/her return by the person designated according to Subsections 1.3 and 1.3.1 above.

3.3 It shall be the responsibility of the Speaker of the Legislature to maintain a schedule of upcoming bills, in "The Imperial Dominion of the South's Legislature" thread or a new thread as specified by later legislation.

3.4 The Speaker shall conduct and direct all other tasks as specified in this resolution.

SECTION 9: AUTOMATIC VACANCIES AND EXPULSION OF MEMBERS

9.1 Any Legislators which fails or neglects to post on any matter of legislative business for a period of not less than 15 days, except if the Legislator in question has publicly posted a leave of absence with intent to return, the seat shall be automatically deemed vacant.

9.2 A Legislator may be expelled according to the procedure specified in Article II, Section 9 of the IDS Constitution.

SECTION 10: OATHS OF OFFICE

10.1 The new Legislators shall be inaugurated by an oath of office. The oath is: "I, (name of Legislator), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the Imperial Dominion of the South against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me Dave"
633  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: The Imperial Dominion of the South's Legislature on: May 10, 2013, 12:04:53 pm
Is there any objection? Hash? Jerry?
634  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: IDS Voting Booth: We Need More Political Parties Amendment on: May 09, 2013, 10:21:08 pm
Aye
635  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Candidate Declaration Thread on: May 07, 2013, 06:30:01 pm
I will run for reelection to the IDS legislature.
636  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: The Imperial Dominion of the South's Legislature on: May 07, 2013, 12:59:28 pm
If we pass this I think we'd need a new main thread as well as any change we make to the legislation introduction thread. I'm not entirely sure how it works, but I don't THINK anyone but the thread's creator can change its title. If we keep this (entirely sensible) provision in we'd either need to create a new thread or bring back someone who has been gone for a long time. Its kind of sad to abandon this old, long thread but if we're going through with lots of changes I suppose this is a good place to start. I think Sjoyce's idea of having the stickied almanac be the legislation introduction thread is a good idea and I'll sponsor his proposed amendment. I really like this bill and again see nothing I object to.


Also, as Speaker Zanas is stepping down, I guess I'll throw my hat in the ring and run for the speakership. If elected I'd try to keep us going without too many delays and I'd do my best to work in a fair and unbiased manner.
637  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Office of Zanas46 - Temporary leave on: May 07, 2013, 12:53:56 pm
Its sad to see you step down from the speakership. Whatever your personal beliefs, you always conducted business in the legislature in an unbiased and professional manner. I'm glad that I got to work with you in the legislature.
638  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Grade your leaders and legislators (2013 edition). on: May 05, 2013, 11:35:42 am
President Barack Obama (D): C+
Vice President Joe Biden (D): C
Senator Bill Nelson (D): B-
Senator Marco Rubio (R): B
Representative Ander Crenshaw (R): A+

Governor Rick Scott (R)
: C+
State Senator Aaron Bean (R): A
State Representative Janet Adkins (R): B-
Mayor Alvin Brown (D): A-
639  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: So, I attempted suicide last week and just spent six days in a mental hospital. on: May 04, 2013, 05:41:54 pm
Bacon King, we're just all glad you're alright.
640  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Should the Dems use the McCaskill-Akin strategy? on: May 04, 2013, 12:10:08 am
I think taking the strategy to a larger scale would backfire. Yes (O)
641  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Super Polling Center: IDS Senate Possibilities on: May 03, 2013, 11:38:35 pm
I don't think ANYONE in the IDS could beat Yankee. The seat is his as long as he wants it. Yankee, Yankee, Yankee, Yankee for me.
642  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: A year on: Forum approval of President François Hollande on: May 03, 2013, 04:40:37 pm
Something I just saw that really applies to this: BVA poll: Sarkozy 29%, Le Pen 24%, Hollande 20%
643  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: The Imperial Dominion of the South's Legislature on: April 30, 2013, 05:00:53 pm
So did debate begin on Hash's procedures? I'll assume it did since Zanas said he was bringing it to the floor. I think that codifying rules and procedures is an excellent idea; the way the legislature runs now isn't exactly consistent. Although I worry about some of the later provisions about time limits (the current inactivity makes me worry that it'd be hard to enforce) I see no problems at all in these first few provisions Zanas has put up for debate.
644  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: The Imperial Dominion of the South's Legislature on: April 29, 2013, 02:48:07 pm
So...shouldn't we move on?
645  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: FL: Sen. Nelson for Gov.? on: April 26, 2013, 01:39:54 pm
I hate mixed signals. About as much as I hate the thought of the almost inevitable Governor Crist Mk2
646  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: The Imperial Dominion of the South's Legislature on: April 26, 2013, 10:26:12 am
Well, as I said I literally don't care either way. But in the end...

Aye don't want to incur Xahar and Hash's wrath.
647  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: If the Previous Poster was running for Congress... on: April 26, 2013, 08:09:39 am
Haha, not a chance.

FL-4
648  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: FL: Sen. Nelson for Gov.? on: April 26, 2013, 05:43:34 am
So it looks like there is news on this front; Nelson has gone from definitely not interested to seriously considering a run. Big Democrats are really pushing hard for a non-Crist candidate, and Nelson's certainly the best of the bunch. In my opinion a Nelson-Scott fight starts out as a very comfortable Likely Dem, a far better pick then Crist. I know how well beloved he is in North Florida; I know quite a few Republicans who would never vote for any Democrat except for him. I know I'd vote for him if I thought it was down to the wire.

http://politics.heraldtribune.com/2013/04/25/nelson-considering-running-for-governor/
649  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: clarence and Matt for Atlasia on: April 26, 2013, 01:19:11 am
I'm ecstatic that at least one candidate in the race still supports freedoms of those with different cultural habits, I'm just sorry I couldn't have endorsed this ticket sooner. 
650  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: The Imperial Dominion of the South's Legislature on: April 25, 2013, 06:28:50 pm
Aliya Mustafina is the best; one of the greatest living persons and probably the best/one of the best female gymnasts today. However, I don't care one bit about making her Empress or not and will be happy to see this bill done with.

I also think that Velasco's idea of keeping the normal amendment process but having a new thread for constitutional issues is an excellent one.
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