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626  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: IDS 1: Liberalization Act of 2013 on: August 08, 2013, 01:09:03 pm
I don't think we had any debate that hasn't been covered now by amendments or failed votes. If there is no more debate this will be brought to a vote later today.
627  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Foreign Policy Review (Amendment Accepted, Debating) on: August 07, 2013, 03:06:53 pm
Seeing as we're still a part of the WTO, most of these economic sanctions being discussed are pretty clearly illegal and threaten huge legal retaliatory sanctions from all corners of the globe. All member states are required to extend most favored nation status to all other members, with that if we extend privileges to one nation they must be extended to all. Conversely, we can only restrict trade to one member nation if we restrict trade to all member nations. There ARE some circumstances where we have the ability to impose sanctions and not face retaliation by all member states, the only ones which might apply are when sanctions are:

1. necessary to protect public morals;
2. necessary to protect human, animal or plant life or health;
3. necessary to secure compliance with laws or regulations which are not inconsistent with the provisions of this Agreement, including those relating to customs enforcement, the enforcement of monopolies operated under paragraph 4 of Article II and Article XVII, the protection of patents, trade marks and copyrights, and the prevention of deceptive practices;

But for many of the places that sanctions are being proposed using any of these as a justification would be shaky at best and would end in tons of WTO cases brought against us. Something should be done to either remove or change the nature of the sanctions or to leave the WTO.
628  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Florida Megathread on: August 07, 2013, 02:06:24 pm
We'll see if Democrats can eschew a primary in CD2:

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A contentious Democratic primary threatens in Florida’s 2nd District and August is shaping up to be a consequential point in the race.

Florida Rep. Corrine Brown plans on traveling to Tallahassee in the coming days to meet with former state Sen. Al Lawson, the party’s 2012 nominee. Lawson is publicly mulling another run, as national Democrats are overtly behind contender Gwen Graham, daughter of former Sen. Bob Graham. Florida Democrats point to Brown as a top power broker in this conflict.

Good lord, they're relying on Corrine Brown to be their subtle negotiator? I knew the Florida Democrats are in a pretty bad state but I didn't know they were doing THAT poorly.
At least it is not Crazy Hat Lady Frederica Wilson.

Better being known for hats than for this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgbBP9Em00A
and this: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2067588/posts


In other news, I had dinner with a bunch of state senators a few nights ago. I was told that the view among the political class up in Tallahassee is that Scott has finally started to turn the corner and things are starting to look better for his reelection.
629  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Florida Poll: 'Yes' on Weed, Crist Over Scott, Split on Gay Marriage on: August 07, 2013, 01:53:22 pm
Don't be surprised if senior politicos in the FL GOP will use the Trayvon Martin case and George Zimmerman's acquittal as a rallying cry for 2nd Amendment defenders and gun owners to lead a massive turnout from conservatives in the States' Rights Battle.


I would be surprised if they did that. It's not how the FL GOP and especially not how Rick Scott operates. Much more likely is the FL GOP completely ignoring the issue and focusing on the economy, healthcare and jobs while the FL Dems try to beat the stand-your-ground horse to death.
630  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Italian Election Series - 1995 General Elections on: August 07, 2013, 01:28:16 pm
I would normally like to vote for PPI (or for FI if I didn't know how that turned out), but with the referendum possibly creating coalition bonuses I'll go for a more respectable AN. Poor Berlusconi, from the way you described him and from how he probably looked at the time he'd win a lot of votes, but he's too tainted by what happened in the real timeline. I'll be surprised if he ever gets above 10%.

EDIT: 3 minutes later and he's tied for first. I should stop trying to make predictions.
631  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: IDS 1: Liberalization Act of 2013 on: August 07, 2013, 10:48:17 am
By a vote of 2-3 the amendment fails. Sad
632  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Official Citizen Initiative Thread on: August 06, 2013, 11:07:57 am
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Honesty in Government Act

1. The President shall give a completely honest stream of consciousness rant before the Senate on the first day of each month.

x Maxwell

x SJoyce
X Politics Junkie

X Tmthforu94

X Dereich
633  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: 2014 House Ratings on: August 06, 2013, 10:44:26 am
I'm not one to really buy into the Gwen Graham hype for FL-2, but with how close the district was in 2012 what makes you think FL-2 should be likely R instead of leans R?
634  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Florida Megathread on: August 06, 2013, 10:01:50 am
We'll see if Democrats can eschew a primary in CD2:

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A contentious Democratic primary threatens in Florida’s 2nd District and August is shaping up to be a consequential point in the race.

Florida Rep. Corrine Brown plans on traveling to Tallahassee in the coming days to meet with former state Sen. Al Lawson, the party’s 2012 nominee. Lawson is publicly mulling another run, as national Democrats are overtly behind contender Gwen Graham, daughter of former Sen. Bob Graham. Florida Democrats point to Brown as a top power broker in this conflict.

Good lord, they're relying on Corrine Brown to be their subtle negotiator? I knew the Florida Democrats are in a pretty bad state but I didn't know they were doing THAT poorly.
635  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: IDS 1: Liberalization Act of 2013 on: August 05, 2013, 03:09:17 pm
Aye.

If this bill does pass, I would rather have the Control Board administration than completely unregulated drug laws. So a lesser of two evils vote.

You should have voted nay, then. Dereich's amendment supresses the control board, but not the SJoyce's clause on drug possesion.

LOL. Yes, what a rookie error on my part.

Aye to the new amendment.

The error is on me, I should have paid more attention.

Aye
636  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Barack Obama on: August 05, 2013, 02:15:18 pm
I'm just like "Whatever, brah."
637  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: IDS 1: Liberalization Act of 2013 on: August 05, 2013, 01:52:26 pm
Aye.

Really?

By the way, Dereich, if you are concerned about drug standards, I don't know why don't you suppress the drug clause of the original bill instead of the control board alone.

Nay.

....oh. I'm very sorry, in my edit of the original bill I forgot to keep the beginning of section 3. Thank you very much for catching my mistake, I had INTENDED to do what you're saying the whole time. I'll restart the vote now, to change THIS:

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3. Individuals may possess for personal use up to any quantity of marijuana, hashish, or cannabis oil, 40 pieces of magic mushrooms, 5 plants of peyote, 5 tablets of LSD, 4 tablets of ecstasy, 2 grams of amphetamine, 1 gram of MDMA, 2 grams of methamphetamine, 1.5 grams of heroin, 2 grams of morphine, 10 grams of opium, 0.1 grams of PCP, 0.5 grams of pure THC, 5 plants of coca, and 2 grams of cocaine with no legal punishment. Possession of larger than these amounts for personal use can result in a fine of up to $1000. Possession of higher than 100 times these amounts with intent to distribute can also result in a fine of up to $100,000. This article does not apply to minors and does not legalize illegal activities committed while under the influence of such drugs.
3a. The sale and taxation of the aforementioned drugs shall be the sole responsibility of a control board fully owned and operated by the regional government, to be set up by law after passage of this legislation.
3b. The above clause (3a) does not apply to the sale and use of medical marijuana, which may be prescribed by certified physicians and available, solely with prescription, in pharmacies.
3c. As soon as this legislation is in effect, the Comprehensive Drug Reform Initiative of November 3 2009 shall be repealed.

Same deal, 24 hours to vote. Aye, Nay or Abstain.
638  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Is the previous poster a RINO? on: August 05, 2013, 01:42:00 pm
Absolutely not, he would be a true blue Republican if he had the privilege of being born an American Smiley
639  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: IDS 1: Liberalization Act of 2013 on: August 05, 2013, 12:57:50 pm
Well, as I still have those concerns, I'll proceed with a vote on my amendment to strike clause 3, which Sjoyce did not consider friendly. The effects on the bill would be as follows:

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3a. The sale and taxation of the aforementioned drugs shall be the sole responsibility of a control board fully owned and operated by the regional government, to be set up by law after passage of this legislation.
3b. The above clause (3a) does not apply to the sale and use of medical marijuana, which may be prescribed by certified physicians and available, solely with prescription, in pharmacies.
3c. As soon as this legislation is in effect, the Comprehensive Drug Reform Initiative of November 3 2009 shall be repealed.

Voting will be open for 24 hours or until all have voted.

[] Aye
[] Nay
[] Abstain
640  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Doctor Who 50th Anniversary (and general series discussion) on: August 04, 2013, 04:55:38 pm
If you want to see something sad:

http://i.imgur.com/b6kkCYI.png

These people are definitely not going to be happy. I like the decision though, I understand he's a very good actor.
641  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Campaign of Dereich for Emperor on: August 03, 2013, 09:05:10 pm
In keeping with the theme of my campaign, I want to both ask for public ideas and present a few of my own on a new opportunity. Our wonderful interior secretary, Superique, has opened a thread where each region must decide how to spend the stimulus money allotted to it. We in the wonderful IDS have been handed $15 billion to use and I know many people have interesting new ways on how we should spend it. I want to spend part of it on something I have always cared about: Ports


At an earlier time I had hoped to propose a port expansion bill in the legislature, but money was always short. Now with our stimulus is the perfect opportunity for putting our region in a dominant position for years to come! The Panama Canal's expansion (Panamax) will allow huge new ships to bring cargo to ports on the East Coast that are now forced by the size of their ships to stay in ports in California and Washington. With this new expansion, these huge ships will be able to travel much closer to where their customers are, but NONE of the ports in the IDS are prepared to handle this influx of trade and goods. THIS IS A TRAVESTY THAT MUST BE CORRECTED. A report by the Army Corp of Engineers (http://www.iwr.usace.army.mil/Portals/70/docs/portswaterways/rpt/June_20_U.S._Port_and_Inland_Waterways_Preparing_for_Post_Panamax_Vessels.pdf) put the cost of expansion for Southeast and Gulf ports at between 3 and 5 billion dollars. Much of this goes to dredging ports to allow for large ships to fit into harbors, creating new facilities to handle the expanded trade and buying the huge "super post Panamax" cranes that are in the photo I showed. International trade accounts for almost 30% of Atlasia's GDP and we should have more of that money flowing to us! And for the TNF types, jobs based around foreign imports pay almost $50,000 a year on average; higher than the average wage, and definitely a living wage in the IDS. We could always do with more high paying jobs!

That's my idea for how to spend part of the money, but it shouldn't just be the legislature and the Emperor who decide how the money is spent! I'd like to know how everyone in the public thinks we should spend our windfall; tax cuts, checks in the mail, infrastructure improvements all ideas are welcome! I feel like there are many opportunities for public involvement like this that we usually let pass us by; getting everyone involved is what I believe in and will work for if you elect me as your next Emperor.
642  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: The Imperial Dominion of the South's Legislature on: August 03, 2013, 06:00:47 pm
Hey! I know! Let's build more nuclear power plants!!!!

It was a joke, don't kill me Zanas
643  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: The Imperial Dominion of the South's Legislature on: August 03, 2013, 04:29:09 pm
Hey, as per Superique's thread the IDS is due 15 billion in stimulus money. I know its up to the Emperor to come up with the final plan, but I think its also a good idea for us to suggest things to spend it on if we have any ideas; after all, it can't hurt. So, any ideas?
644  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Italian Election Series - 1990 General Elections on: August 03, 2013, 12:15:49 pm
PDP moderating another Communist led government is better than see DN and the Northern league in power, so I vote for them.
645  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: IDS 1: Liberalization Act of 2013 on: August 02, 2013, 11:10:25 pm
Personally, I still don't think I can vote for a bill with such liberal drug standards. Its problematic to encourage that kind of substance abuse.
646  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: The Truman Building: SoEA Talleyrand on: August 02, 2013, 05:03:22 pm
Are we a member of the World Trade Organization? If we are, do the restrictions in place with partial or full status comply with our international obligations?
647  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: IDS 1: Liberalization Act of 2013 on: August 01, 2013, 01:20:43 pm
With a vote of 4-0 with one not voting the amendment passes.
648  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Campaign of Dereich for Emperor on: July 31, 2013, 06:27:02 pm
Welcome to the race homeslice how bout a debate?

Let's do it Lincoln-Douglas style, no moderator, just you n me and questions from the audience too

Sure, sounds great.
649  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: IDS 2: South East Militia Dissolution Act (Debating) on: July 31, 2013, 03:32:58 pm
Well, I'm not going to run for re election. Hopefully I will be replaced by Zanas, but I don't have a clue about his thoughts on this subject. I'd like to discuss on issues like: have this region the right to act unilaterally in events like the Pacific crisis or the proposed invasion of Coahuila and Tamaulipas? Why do we need so different types of militia? What's the reason to maintain regional laws where such militias are described as "paramilitary" forces? Why don't we have a regional emergency plan coordinated by civil authorities instead of by a commander of a paramilitary unit? I have a bunch of questions like these. It's just for fun, as our speaker says in his campaign's opening speech.

Its sad to hear that you're leaving the legislature. Sad  You've always been a very thorough and engaging legislator and though we've often disagreed you've brought a lot of intellectualism and great debate to the legislature.

As for your questions; even without the Militia in its current form, the same bill would have been proposed. The Northeast had no problems trying to do the same thing with their National Guard and the Midwest would have presumably used their National Guard if annexing the Pacific as well. The name doesn't really encourage or discourage odd actions from the legislature, its nothing more than a reflection of what created it. The South has always been a very individualistic and government-distrusting region. The creation of the less centrally organized Milita is just a reflection of this. Calling them paramilitary was probably a mistake on the part of those long ago who wrote the bill, but it still reflects the idea that the government isn't the only armed group out there. Its all very tied in to American gun culture.
650  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: IDS 1: Liberalization Act of 2013 on: July 31, 2013, 02:33:13 pm

Voting will last 24 hours or until all have voted

[] Aye
[] Nay
[] Abstain

Which amemendment are we voting?

The part of Hash's amendments not accepted by Sjoyce. That would change this
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11. Individuals under the age of 12 in all seats and under the age of 18 in front seats must wear seatbelts when traveling in a motor vehicle. Violations of this law carry a fine of $100, but a law enforcement officer cannot stop or ticket an individual solely for not wearing a seatbelt, but only when the driver has committed another primary violation.
12. Nobody shall be compelled to wear a helmet while riding a motorcycle; however, in a lawsuit after an accident, a person may have their damages reduced if they were not wearing a helmet. This law does not affect riders of scooters, mopeds, and other small motorcycles.

to this

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11. All individuals, either as drivers or passengers, travelling in any motor vehicle with the exception of public transportation vehicles (such as buses), must wear seatbelts. Violations of this law carry a fine of $100.

Your amendments were adopted.
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