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1  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Harris Wofford's incredible (love) story on: April 26, 2016, 01:22:28 pm
In all seriousness it's kind of heartwarming that we're at the point where elderly gay men can now, too, marry creepily below the acceptable age range.

That was my reaction too. I think true LGBT equality is admitting that there's something kind of off about marrying someone who could be your grandchild, regardless of whether they are of the same or the opposite sex.

I'd argue that it i'ts a lot more concerning in heterosexual couples due to the inherent power imbalance between genders, but I know this kind of argument won't go over well here.

Yes, I think the historical prevalence of pederasty weakens this argument considerably.

A 40-year-old = a child?

I meant that the history of pederasty in patriarchal societies shows that homosexual relationships aren't necessarily more egalitarian.
2  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Harris Wofford's incredible (love) story on: April 26, 2016, 12:25:22 pm
In all seriousness it's kind of heartwarming that we're at the point where elderly gay men can now, too, marry creepily below the acceptable age range.

That was my reaction too. I think true LGBT equality is admitting that there's something kind of off about marrying someone who could be your grandchild, regardless of whether they are of the same or the opposite sex.

I'd argue that it i'ts a lot more concerning in heterosexual couples due to the inherent power imbalance between genders, but I know this kind of argument won't go over well here.

Yes, I think the historical prevalence of pederasty weakens this argument considerably.
3  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Nationalism? on: April 25, 2016, 06:22:33 pm
...BRTD thinks ISIS is nationalist?!

They sure aren't being kind to the Kurds or Assyrians.

This surprises you? The Kurds and the Assyrians represent the forces of nationalism; the Islamic State represents the forces of globalization. The two factions are bound to have their quarrels.
4  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: opinion of anti-Nationalism on: April 25, 2016, 02:51:31 pm
Not a big fan of the Islamic State, so Horrible Ideology.
5  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Nationalism? on: April 25, 2016, 09:37:46 am

Huh

Daesh is the purest expression of anti-nationalism in the world today.
6  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Treasury Sec. to announce Harriet Tubman will replace Jackson on the $20 bill on: April 22, 2016, 10:50:04 am
Also, it's debatable whether "All votes must be white men" is really much of an improvement over "All voters must be property owners (even when they're blacks or women)".
What?

So do you think we should have property requirements for voting.

Do you think that only white men should be allowed to vote?
I am in favor of every citizen being allowed to vote.

As am I.
7  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Treasury Sec. to announce Harriet Tubman will replace Jackson on the $20 bill on: April 22, 2016, 10:30:54 am
Also, it's debatable whether "All votes must be white men" is really much of an improvement over "All voters must be property owners (even when they're blacks or women)".
What?

So do you think we should have property requirements for voting.

Do you think that only white men should be allowed to vote?
8  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Treasury Sec. to announce Harriet Tubman will replace Jackson on the $20 bill on: April 22, 2016, 09:49:40 am
Also, it's debatable whether "All votes must be white men" is really much of an improvement over "All voters must be property owners (even when they're blacks or women)".
9  General Politics / Economics / Re: Solve Income Inequality on: April 22, 2016, 09:39:14 am
Yes, differences in capital endowment explain only a tiny fraction of GDP per capita differences. We can also look at things like development aid having pretty much zero correlation with economic growth for poor countries.

Quote from: me, in the post immediately above yours
...which, I'm sure you would agree, has not always been spent in the wisest of ways.  

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We also observe that access to natural resources tends to have a negative impact on growth in developing countries.

What we do know is that institutions matter a lot.


Quote from: me, in the post immediately above yours
Africa's social problems may have prevented corporations from building factories there, but they haven't prevented them from extracting natural resources from that continent. How evenly distributed have the profits from that enterprise been?

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Countries that embraced capitalism, like South Korea or West Germany saw tremendous growth and became essentially Western countries while those that chose paths closer to your preferred system, like East Germany or North Korea remained in abject poverty.


lol

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Note that among people who study these things the above facts are fairly elementary. And taken together they strongly indicate that just dumping a pile of money into some African dictatorship would do basically nothing to improve the situation for the people of that country.

It might, if it were used to empower the people of those countries to take control of their economic destinies.
10  General Politics / Economics / Re: Solve Income Inequality on: April 20, 2016, 07:35:44 pm
We've given trillions of dollars in foreign aid to those poor countries over the decades.

...which, I'm sure you would agree, has not always been spent in the wisest of ways.

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The real issue is that there aren't sufficient incentives to invest in those areas due to a lack of human capital.  You seem to act as if prosperity is the natural state and poverty is caused solely/mainly by exploitation, whereas in reality, poverty is the natural condition and only through a combination of capitalism and human capital development can a nation be lifted out of development.
 

It's true that poverty is the natural state of mankind. It's also true that many more people inhabit that state than need to.

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The West has already made this leap, and East Asia is well on its way.


Of course, some places in the West seem to be slowly leaping backwards...

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Here's the thing: why do you think companies are investing so much to build factories in China/India (and we see them as taking jobs) but not Africa?  Because a lot of the continent doesn't have the necessary skilled workforce, infrastructure, etc. to attract capital and investment.  That's the thing that really needs to be changed, which involves some foreign aid but also major structural reform in African states.

Africa's social problems may have prevented corporations from building factories there, but they haven't prevented them from extracting natural resources from that continent. How evenly distributed have the profits from that enterprise been?
11  General Politics / Economics / Re: Solve Income Inequality on: April 20, 2016, 06:11:12 pm
Considering how much worldwide poverty has dropped over the past few decades, I think it's safe to say that increasing the size of the worldwide economic pie is far more important than redistributing it, at least with respect to third world countries.  

We've never tried redistributing it, so we wouldn't know.

 Oh really?

Even if we accept that every one of those countries made a good faith effort to democratize their economies (which... umm...), none of them falls under the category of "rich country compensating poor countries for decades of exploitation, plus giving them a fair shake in the future".
12  General Politics / Economics / Re: Solve Income Inequality on: April 20, 2016, 05:47:05 pm
Considering how much worldwide poverty has dropped over the past few decades, I think it's safe to say that increasing the size of the worldwide economic pie is far more important than redistributing it, at least with respect to third world countries. 

We've never tried redistributing it, so we wouldn't know.
13  General Politics / Economics / Re: Solve Income Inequality on: April 20, 2016, 03:48:45 pm
Huh? You wanted to redistribute things to rectify poverty. I pointed out that since the current distribution isn't the main driver of the inequality it'd not be the best solution to the problem.

The unequal distribution of wealth isn't the main driver of poverty?
14  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Treasury Sec. to announce Harriet Tubman will replace Jackson on the $20 bill on: April 20, 2016, 11:26:59 am
I sort of think we should keep Jackson.  Obviously, he did some pretty bad things, but Jacksonian Democracy and the expansion of the electorate were very important in creating the United States as a truly democratic nation.

To be fair, they were also very important in the failure of the American project.
15  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Is American "movement liberalism" the most anti-"culture" ideology? on: April 19, 2016, 04:52:33 pm
Echoing the above and adding that liberal assimilation is destroying the everything and at its core is the greatest evil in existence. Literally very close to Nazi Germany on my list. America needs more immigration and less assimilation if we truly want to Make America Great Again

Just another reason why white people are the worst

The bolded is one of the unfortunate casualties from this year's Republican Primary: the idea that anything short of rounding up every illegal alien and deporting them immediately makes you a pawn for either the Democrats or "The Establishment" has taken root. There used to be a place within the GOP, probably a majority opinion even, that some form of amnesty is a necessity and that immigration is, in general, a good thing. Now the vast primordial roar of the Trump campaign has made it appear as though there is no longer a place for such views on humanity.

Just to be clear, you are saying my view should still exist but has gone extinct, correct? (Not that you necessarily endorse it.) I fully endorse amnesty obviously, but I don't have any stupid assimilation requirements like "must learn English" if you want to stay.

Yes. My post above was saying the view you expressed should exist. I wouldn't go so far as to say it has gone extinct so much as gone unrepresented in the current cycle, unless you count the Moderate Hero campaign of John Kasich.

Having said that, I will go a step further. I support an amnesty program for the current batch of illegals. I think a legal requirement to speak English would be silly, though I think public schools should teach students English if they don't know it and government agencies should not be required to have foreign language translations. If you choose to speak only Latin to your family and business contacts that's your business. I don't think all cultural distinction need be erased. In fact, I want to preserve most if possible.

I am, and always have been, a pro-immigration Roman Catholicism Republican.

FTFY Tongue
16  General Politics / Economics / Re: Solve Income Inequality on: April 19, 2016, 10:22:32 am
Differences in capital endowment or resources isn't a great predictor of national wealth.

But isn't that because of the exploitation I mentioned?
17  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Czech Republic to be known as 'Czechia' on: April 16, 2016, 06:18:29 pm
Oh, you Europeans... always living in the past!
18  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Czech Republic to be known as 'Czechia' on: April 16, 2016, 06:13:21 pm
"Bohemia-Moravia" would sound better, I think.
19  General Politics / Economics / Re: Solve Income Inequality on: April 13, 2016, 05:24:40 pm
Step 1: First World countries return the billions (trillions) of dollars they've expropriated from Third World countries over the years (and affluent areas within the First and Third Worlds do the same to the impoverished ares within them).

Step 2: Keep most future wealth within the communities that produce them.

Problem solved.

I'm sorry but a) that is nonsense and b) Step 2 doesn't actually work. You'd have to be completely ignorant of the history of economic development and macroeconomics to think that would be a solution.

...or is that just what you WANT us to think?
20  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Will Science Drive Religion Extinct? on: April 12, 2016, 02:35:21 pm
It might be true that science will replace religion (a pretty scary thought, tbh) for those who think that their worldview is based in empirical facts, but it's definitely true that the religious experience offers something that no amount of scientific knowledge will ever be able to match.
21  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Alt-leftists and the use of the word 'folks' on: April 05, 2016, 10:42:38 am
saying (UGH) 'bodies' instead of 'people'

This one's always seemed weirdly sexual to me.
22  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: charlie hebdo continues to be pure garbage, now without the "muh satire" charade on: April 04, 2016, 11:38:28 am
Given the bitter tone of that editorial, you'd think that Charlie Hebdo had had its offices shot up by a couple of Muslims or something.
23  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Opinion of the Hawaiian Pidgin Bible on: April 01, 2016, 10:11:03 am
When it comes to creole translations of the Bible, I'm partial to Gullah:

Quote from: Matthew 1
18 Now dis yah wa happen wen Jedus Christ bon. Jedus modda Mary been gage fa marry Joseph. Bot, fo dey git marry an Joseph cyaa um fa lib wid um, dey find out dat Mary been speckin. An dat been de powa ob de Holy Sperit wa mek dat happen. 19 Now Joseph wa been gage fa marry Mary, e been a man wa waak scraight wid God, an e ain been wahn fa see Mary come ta no open shame. So Joseph mek op e mind fa paat wid Mary an keep um hush op. 20 E beena study haad bout wa e gwine do, wen de Lawd sen a angel ta um een a dream. De angel tell um say, “Joseph, ya wa come out fom King David fambly, mus dohn be scaid fa marry Mary. Cause de chile wa e speckin, dat wa de Holy Sperit mek happen. 21 E gwine hab son, an ya mus gim de name Jedus, cause e gwine sabe e people fom dey sin.”

https://youtu.be/iCd5W4gwJsI?t=11m50s
24  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: What is the best name for Trump? on: March 24, 2016, 06:43:31 pm
I'm not asking for respect, FWIW
25  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: What is the best name for Trump? on: March 24, 2016, 06:33:31 pm
Isn't it interesting that supposed racist Donald Trump has never once made fun of his opponents' last names - despite running against two Cuban-Americans! - yet his ostensibly progressive opposition has no problem deploying such a xenophobic tactic...

Maybe, but he made fun of Fiorina's face, called Rosie a fat pig and called Rubio "Little Marco",
so don't pretend to have the moral high ground on this issue.

I'm not: Donald Trump doesn't need the moral highground to win.
His opponents, however, do.

They already have it. Clinton and Sanders, despite their vigorous debates, rarely attacked each other personally.

They'd better not start calling him "Drumpf", then.

They are not going to call him "Drumpf." Stop, you are acting like a big cry baby.
Only Drumpf goes around acting like an immature fool. Hillary and/or Sanders are not going to go down that childish, un-presidential Drumpf path.
(Some of us here use it on Atlas, just to tease the trump supporters. Loosen-up your panties and breathe. Geeesh.)

Hey, I'm perfectly calm - I haven't used an exclamation point in this entire thread!
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