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1  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: AMA with poll on: April 23, 2017, 07:52:09 pm
Gurdwara and Mormon Conquest.
2  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Does this image represent you? on: April 21, 2017, 11:07:34 am
Only the "virgin" part, thank God.
3  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Which country has the best rock music? USA or UK? on: April 20, 2017, 09:31:14 am
The U.S. U.K. rock music is too removed from the source, hence why the most overrated band from each decade has always come from the U.K. - The Beatles in the '60s, David Bowie in the '70s, The Smiths in the '80s, and Radiohead in the '90s.
4  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Gnosticism, or mainstream Catholic/Orthodox/Anglican/Protestant Christianity? on: April 19, 2017, 02:09:17 pm
Joseph Smith only joined the Freemasons in 1842 or thereabouts. Most of what he was teaching was already there before any affiliation with Freemasonry.

That's true. However, Hyrum Smith joined a Palmyra lodge in the 1820s, and several members of the Cowdery family were Masons, William (Oliver's father) becoming a Junior Warden in 1807.
5  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Gnosticism, or mainstream Catholic/Orthodox/Anglican/Protestant Christianity? on: April 18, 2017, 02:33:16 pm
Also, dang, that's pretty impressive for a faith that originated with a fairly uneducated farmboy.

As a non-Mormon, one must assume that the Freemasons possess(ed) a far more impressive cache of esoteric knowledge than they've ever officially been given credit for. That's the only way to make it make sense.
6  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Berkeley Police Department on: April 17, 2017, 06:02:30 pm

they had sympathetic women of color at the nuremburg rallies, did they

I'll never understand the freaks who are non-white and turn up to stand in solidarity with people who want to throw them in chains but they exist, who care tbh.

My understanding is that they're exactly like you, except they're raised a little further to the west (or a lot further to the east).
7  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Berkeley Police Department on: April 17, 2017, 05:53:38 pm


they had sympathetic women of color at the nuremburg rallies, did they
8  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Rahm Emanuel wants to require acceptance letters for high school graduation on: April 17, 2017, 05:42:11 pm
I'm not saying there can't be a dress code, but I thought we were talking about uniforms. Nobody presents themselves (or very few do anyway) through uniforms unless actually required to.

There should be some variation in student uniforms, as different people have different color palettes, body types, etc. Students should be taught these things, because they're unlikely to learn them anywhere else.

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But that, in and of itself, is an expression of themselves. And even within that dynamic, there is individual variation, far more than you get with uniforms.

It's in the best interest of schools to suppress subcultures, so that they don't distract from the learning environment. What kids want to do in their free time should be reserved for their free time.
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Rahm Emanuel wants to require acceptance letters for high school graduation on: April 17, 2017, 01:36:03 pm
I don't think it's abstract. I just don't see why the state should be involved in something so trivial. It's just clothing. We're not talking about peer pressure to do drugs or perform dangerous stunts or something.

Schools have a responsibility to do more than educate: they have a responsibility to built up. Kids must be taught how to present themselves.

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No I disagree with that as well actually. If anything, I think teenagers express themselves through their clothing more than kids do, since they typically select their own clothes, and often buy them themselves.

What I mean is that teenagers don't express themselves through what they wear - they express the group that they identify with.
10  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Casually wearing athletic clothes... on: April 17, 2017, 01:24:17 pm
I'm strongly opposed to people who deviate from aesthetic traditions, in order to look like extras from a made-for-TV sci-fi movie.   
11  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Is doing evil a necessity of life? on: April 17, 2017, 12:41:48 pm
Wow, someone did NOT take his time!

Unfortunately, I'm going to have to report you to the demiurge for this.
12  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Is doing evil a necessity of life? on: April 17, 2017, 12:33:55 pm
So much for Original sin and man being blamed for bringing death to earth.

But if you are to ignore scriptures, that blame Adam as well as the deceptive lying serpent, things that occurred before A & E were cast out of Eden, good for you.

I never said any of that. To find out what I did say, I suggest that you reread my posts.

There's no need to reply right away. Go ahead. Take your time. Smiley
13  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Is doing evil a necessity of life? on: April 16, 2017, 04:29:20 pm
Where did I use the word accurate?

The same place where you chided me for not following your traditionalist interpretation of the Fall.

Accuracy then would have been the wrong word as myths and accuracy do not compute.

One's reading of a myth can either be accurate or inaccurate. I pointed out that the Bible itself does not refer to Adam and Eve's transgression as "sin", as it waited until Cain killed Abel to introduce that term; you disagreed with my point, citing traditional Christian theology (which was only developed in response to the Gnostics, whom you pretend to identify with). All clear now?
14  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Is doing evil a necessity of life? on: April 16, 2017, 03:46:43 pm
Where did I use the word accurate?

The same place you chided me for not following your traditionalist interpretation of the Fall.
15  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Rahm Emanuel wants to require acceptance letters for high school graduation on: April 15, 2017, 02:00:20 pm
I would think that should be a parental issue if anything. But my point is that people, even children, should have the freedom to conform or not conform to peer pressure when it involves something as harmless as clothing, at least insofar as the government goes.

Deciding whether to accept or reject peer pressure is far from an unforced, abstract choice. That's why the state must intervene on the side of reason.

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But I also disagree anyway with your premise that kids are not expressing their individuality in what they choose to wear.

Kids may be. Not teenagers though.
16  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: 13 state GOP govts put forward bill to tax porn on: April 15, 2017, 01:50:10 pm
1. Internet porn filters already exist. Would these bills automatically install one onto the browser of anyone trying to access porn in a relevant states? Not that I'm opposed - I obviously support the intent, as any moral person would - I just wonder how that would work.

2. "porn = speech" is one of the worst findings in the history of the Supreme Court. Hopefully, Trump fills the judiciary with enough conservative Catholics to overturn that precedent.

The Court hasn't made that finding have they?  The precedent is the Miller test.  But it is just very difficult in practice to come up with porn bans that don't also infringe on what is constitutionally protected, since the line here is so fuzzy and subjective.

Yes, I was being unfairly simplistic for rhetorical purposes. I'll own up to that.
17  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Rahm Emanuel wants to require acceptance letters for high school graduation on: April 14, 2017, 10:53:13 am
There's nothing individualistic about what adolescents wear.

Disagree. But even if we accept your premise, at least they're choosing to wear the same stuff as everyone else, rather than having the school force it upon them.

Exactly: We must teach our children that conforming to legitimate authority is much more important than conforming to peer pressure.
18  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Rahm Emanuel wants to require acceptance letters for high school graduation on: April 13, 2017, 06:49:13 pm
This is up there with school uniforms as bad ideas.

What's wrong with school uniforms?
They can be an undue burden on poor students and family's, and they get rid of the individuality that all students should have and need.

There's nothing individualistic about what adolescents wear.
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: 13 state GOP govts put forward bill to tax porn on: April 13, 2017, 06:17:55 pm
1. Internet porn filters already exist. Would these bills automatically install one onto the browser of anyone trying to access porn in a relevant states? Not that I'm opposed - I obviously support the intent, as any moral person would - I just wonder how that would work.

2. "porn = speech" is one of the worst findings in the history of the Supreme Court. Hopefully, Trump fills the judiciary with enough conservative Catholics to overturn that precedent.
20  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Can someone still be an athiest if they believe our universe is a simulation? on: April 13, 2017, 03:54:39 pm
Yes. If we live in a simulation our subjective reality feels real, but it is in fact objectively a simulation. Someone may have created that simulation but that someone must live in either 'actual reality' or perhaps is also in a simulation. It cannot be godlike if it's also a simulation. Nor can it be considered so if it's subject to a reality outside of it's self which it doesn't have domain over.

Under that definition, Mormons should be considered atheists, as they believe that God was once subject to the same restraints as man.
21  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Most powerful country in Asia currently? on: April 11, 2017, 07:34:44 pm
FACT: Philippino's are the most powerful race in the world.
22  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of the Previous Poster on: April 10, 2017, 06:35:50 pm
LITERALLY has my avatar. Wow!
23  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: School Shooting in San Bernardino on: April 10, 2017, 06:32:27 pm
I've lost my will to respond to these tragedies. Let me know when all Americans are ready to sit down at the table about the ridiculous gun culture in this country.

Let me know when you have a table big enough.
24  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Debate: Should abortion be legal? on: April 09, 2017, 08:29:26 pm
How boring!

Sorry I don't choose my political views based on how #edgy they sound.

You should be. People don't want to debate each other because they already know their opponent's position on everything, and that's killing productive discourse in this country.

Yes, clearly having more edgy contrarians around will improve the state of public debate.

So will calling people names because they used a little bit of logic. Apparently.

Someone who dismisses arguments because they are "boring" is hardly in a position to complain about that.

I'm calling you "boring", because you refuse to speculate beyond what's expected of you.
25  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Debate: Should abortion be legal? on: April 09, 2017, 08:20:56 pm
How boring!

Sorry I don't choose my political views based on how #edgy they sound.

You should be. People don't want to debate each other because they already know their opponent's position on everything, and that's killing productive discourse in this country.

Yes, clearly having more edgy contrarians around will improve the state of public debate.

So will calling people names because they used a little bit of logic. Apparently.
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