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1  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: 52% of US males agree with Tomi on abortion re: small gov and pro-choice union on: Today at 09:46:11 am
I think the main issue is that men shouldn't really have a vested personal stake in women's gyneacological health other than to affirm 'it's a matter for  her', which is a 'pro-choice' position, even if one is uncomfortable with decisions that might then be made.
2  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: UK General Discussion Thread: mayy lmao on: Today at 09:41:58 am
YouGov poll asking people about things that could be reinstated following Brexit: http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/tl8kg6q3i9/InternalResults_170222_AfterBrexit_W.pdf

Death penalty at 36% support...must be the lowest ever, surely?

It's Britain's membership of the ECHR not the EU that precludes the return of the rope, and I think May will have a tougher time pulling Britain out of that.

this is the result of 44 years of right wing press saying that the EEC/EU is the source of all that is "wrong" with Britain. what about the rest:

imperial measures are fairly commonly used in parallel with metric and I don't see that changing any time soon, plenty of things still come in standard sized packs of 454g

smoking ban is completely unrelated to the EU, I was on a site visit in Germany last week and they had smoking areas inside factories and warehouses

Blue Passports, literally a symbolic gesture, no harm in it if it makes people happy,  the insides will still conform to more or less the same standards anyway

£.s.d was replaced before we joined the EU and the Dominions decimalised of their own accord in the 60's

incandescent bulbs: 33% of Ukip voters want to willfully use a less efficient product just..because?

corporal punishment: the ECHR ruled that it isn't a human rights violation as late as 1993, 11 years after British Laws Passed at Wetminster ended it in state schools

They could bring back a functioning opposition. I do get nostalgic about that.
3  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Frank Rich: "No Sympathy for the Hillbilly" on: March 28, 2017, 01:42:49 pm
I think most white Americans bailed when the left got looney, and became obsessed with identity politics.

They began representing small segments of the population and calling the rest "deplorables".


The only one obsessed with "identity politics" is the one who wants to ban a religion from coming here

And people who are transgender from using the bathroom.
4  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Frank Rich: "No Sympathy for the Hillbilly" on: March 27, 2017, 04:08:56 pm
Here's the thing, the left have long fetishised the 'working man', in whatever guise it is presented because 'everything is about class' (Marx ad nauseum) and so 'why can't they be on our side?'. But sometimes class has nothing to do with it, or economics. Sometimes people who are dirt poor, have nothing and need actual help can be assholes and make bad decisions and be dismissive of people with their own problems because they aren't their problem. And that's okay; sometimes you need to let people take responsibility for their own actions and their own lack of action. Then work out why, without tearing your heart out about appealing too much to gays and urban minorities and people who want gun control.

When Trump talks of 'inner city Chicago' he know's what he's doing. Because that's where crime 'is' for some people because that's where it was in the 1970's/80's. It's where it was when people fled from there (like when New Yorkers fled to the Poconos. And Trump won't talk about NY that way because of his own interests) But this may as well be now, because the same people say 'why go to the city'? That the inner cities have some of the best adult education programs doesn't matter. That there is a serious drug problem in rural America doesn't matter.

What's also happening is that the US culturally (even low culturally) and economically is drifting back to the cities. Small town America is a bit 'bigger' than it was 90 years ago; actual small towns have been in decline since the depression. Small town America is now where families planted since the depression, either as quasi suburban communities; the heartland of Eisenhower boomer babies who were adults under Reagan - post card, commercial, tv sitcom America. Or places where people moved to find work. People still move to find work, often cross country, or to new industries.

And you have to keep on moving when the jobs move or when they disappear. That's not changed. And people can't take the piss out of modern start up industries, of new industries because somehow they are 'effete' because that's how industry has always worked. So what if they're started by trust fund hipsters; their great grandfathers opened factories and mines. The pursuit is the same and at least most of the new 'starters' on industry have an ounce of social conscience to be asking these big questions in the first place.
5  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Policical Tribe quiz on: March 25, 2017, 05:20:53 pm
Progressive Cosmopolitan.
6  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trumpcare eliminates mental health coverage from Medicaid on: March 21, 2017, 08:44:33 pm
"Asperger's" isn't a real diagnosis any more and shouldn't have been one in the first place.
I most cordially disagree.

It was an artificial division within the autism spectrum that in practice functioned as a stratification.
Wow, what the hell dude?

Care to make an actual argument to the contrary?

I was diagnosed with Asperger's when I was very young. I'm glad that the diagnosis is autism spectrum disorder now, and I'm much more willing to be open about it than I was before.

I was diagnosed in 1995. I'm not going to start changing the definition I'm personally comfortable with.

Just so you know though according to the DSM 5 and whatever doctor you see that diagnosis no longer exists.

The NHS uses ICD-10 where it remains
7  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Neil Gorsuch: 'employers should ask women if they want children' on: March 21, 2017, 01:52:02 pm
When is America going to accept that having children is one of the most fundamental parts of being human, and obviously necessary for our survival as a species? Society should be structured around this. Instead, we have a society where many people need to worry about their financial well-being and job security if they decide to have kids.



Best not to be born. Before then the right wing care about you. Afterwards you and your parent/s are nothing but an economic inconvenience.
8  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: What's More Likely? An Independent Scotland or a Reunited Ireland? on: March 21, 2017, 01:49:28 pm
Option one, and it's not even remotely close.

I think it will facilitate a united Ireland however. Northern Ireland would be isolated with no effective 'border' between it and the rest of the UK.

That's correct. I think Scottish Independence is a necessary precondition for UI to even be considered.

I was also initially concerned about any relationship between Ireland and Scotland in the event of independence (competition wise) but Brexit has shifted that. Northern Ireland would probably end up in the centre of a fairly balanced economic 'bloc'.
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trumpcare eliminates mental health coverage from Medicaid on: March 21, 2017, 01:43:27 pm
"Asperger's" isn't a real diagnosis any more and shouldn't have been one in the first place.
I most cordially disagree.

It was an artificial division within the autism spectrum that in practice functioned as a stratification.
Wow, what the hell dude?

Care to make an actual argument to the contrary?

I was diagnosed with Asperger's when I was very young. I'm glad that the diagnosis is autism spectrum disorder now, and I'm much more willing to be open about it than I was before.

I was diagnosed in 1995. I'm not going to start changing the definition I'm personally comfortable with.
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Neil Gorsuch: 'employers should ask women if they want children' on: March 21, 2017, 01:40:52 pm
I think they should too. But where I differ is that employers should do everything they can to accommodate their needs. Same with expectant fathers.
11  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Pigfvcker Memorial Suppository for UK News: A Departure from EUtopia on: March 20, 2017, 12:20:31 pm
Labour are just 2% behind the Greens on the constituency vote with YouGov in Scotland. Labour would theoretically pick up no constituency seats and the wonder of maths (as happened last year) could see them slip into 4th even if they are just ahead of the Greens.
Is it not the regional vote that the Greens are 2% behind Labor on? As they pick up a lot of SNP constituency voters on the Scottish Parliament list vote.
 
Eitherway, Labour are in the mid-teens now - but only hold Edinburgh South. Labour did gain the equivalent constituency from the SNP in the Scottish Parliament election. The Conservatives won the list vote there - albeit partially due to SNP constituency voters moving to the Greens on the list. #RedMorningside.

The Greens might hypothetically beat Labour on votes; especially if they stood candidates in every constituency. Although they probably won't, as it would split the "independence vote" - a la Edinburgh Central in the Scottish Parliament election.

The local elections this year will be really interesting in regards to the Labour-Green battle for third.

Yes. Sorry typo.
12  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: What's More Likely? An Independent Scotland or a Reunited Ireland? on: March 20, 2017, 12:19:41 pm
Option one, and it's not even remotely close.

I think it will facilitate a united Ireland however. Northern Ireland would be isolated with no effective 'border' between it and the rest of the UK.
13  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Will Scotland vote for independence? on: March 20, 2017, 11:51:06 am
That figure is misleading, although in a way that further demonstrates the differences I guess. The main maternity hospitals for most parts of Wales close to the border are in England; e.g. most families in Flintshire have their children in Chester, most in Mid Wales in Shrewsbury, etc.

I don't know much about how English settlers vote but in Scotland of all minority groups polled (Scottish Asians and Europeans are usually large enough to be polled accurately) on party voting and even to an extent on constitutional matters they vote more in line with Scots. English voters in Scotland tend to be entrenched in their 'native' patterns.
14  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Remember the Bernie fan - The HA Goodman guy - He is now on the Trump Train ! on: March 19, 2017, 11:49:37 am
I really hate Bernie or Busters.

I think they are just 'busters' now.
15  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Pigfvcker Memorial Suppository for UK News: A Departure from EUtopia on: March 17, 2017, 03:58:57 pm
Labour are just 2% behind the Greens on the constituency vote with YouGov in Scotland. Labour would theoretically pick up no constituency seats and the wonder of maths (as happened last year) could see them slip into 4th even if they are just ahead of the Greens.
16  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Will Scotland vote for independence? on: March 17, 2017, 03:55:51 pm
Probably around 20-30% in favor.

Almost certainly sub-25% and probably less than that. It's not a serious possibility and there will never be vote on the matter.

'Scotland 2006.'
17  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Female politician proposes law to fine men $100 for masturbating on: March 16, 2017, 07:14:31 am
Also, for those who think the Church has even a modicum of sense, bear in mind that it forbids masturbation even to obtain a sample for fertility or other health related diagnosis, or for reproductive assistance within marriage. It's more about 'don't touch your dick' than apologists will care to admit.

As someone who is in the Church, this is not true. Unless your talking about specific denominations, then I might believe you if you provide proof.

It's contained within the Ethical and Religious Directives for Catholic Health Care Services.

18  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Female politician proposes law to fine men $100 for masturbating on: March 15, 2017, 11:02:01 am
Also, for those who think the Church has even a modicum of sense, bear in mind that it forbids masturbation even to obtain a sample for fertility or other health related diagnosis, or for reproductive assistance within marriage. It's more about 'don't touch your dick' than apologists will care to admit.
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Female politician proposes law to fine men $100 for masturbating on: March 15, 2017, 10:34:40 am
I think there's something to the idea that men and women often have at least somewhat different reasons for being pro-life, and that men's reasons are often a lot less noble that women's--which would obviously mean, among other things, that I ought to be extra-careful about my own motivations--but, if true, I don't really know that that could be measured.

Woman's gyneacological matters for me are their preserve. In real life I rarely contribute anything to discussions on abortion (Britain doesn't really have much of a discussion anyway) other than delegate any 'interest' in it to them. I'm signed up to walk women to clinics should US style protests start (a few Catholic groups have tried) but that's as far as my interest goes.
20  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Favorite "country" of the British Isles on: March 15, 2017, 10:19:44 am
Guess.
21  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Do Hillary voters drink better beer than Trump voters? on: March 15, 2017, 10:17:30 am
My favorite alcohols are prosecco, honey whiskey, and crème de violette. What does that make me?

A heathen.
22  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: To my fellow Democrats/liberals: Stop saying Republican voters are stupid. on: March 12, 2017, 01:44:45 pm
'The definition of insanity is voting Republican over and over again, but expecting different results.'
23  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The free markets war on coal continues:Largest coal plant in W US shutting down on: February 28, 2017, 04:23:44 pm
West Virginia is pretty enough that, even absent structural changes to the American economy to better distribute opportunity throughout the country, it could probably develop a reasonably vibrant tourism economy provided the remaining coal barons stop blowing all the mountains to smithereens.

If the Poconos struggles an hour and a half outside of NY, I doubt West Virginia is going to reel them in.
24  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: 'I think he is behind it': Trump says Obama is organizing protests against him on: February 28, 2017, 10:59:36 am
It would be President Obama's right, would it not?

No it isn't. If these were just peaceful marches that would be fine

However these protests don't just include peaceful marches. We've seen all kinds of disruption and intimidation, both in the election and since the inauguration. Protests forcefully blockading public meetings, intimidating people, planned disruption at airports interfering with people's work and travel, planned disruption at townhall meetings preventing Representatives from answering enquires and constituents from asking questions. And no doubt more of this is planned.

Now this kind of behaviour used to be a major problem in industrial relations. Union organisers would set up pickets that would physically block or intimidate people trying to a picket line, they would seek to disrupt the workings of the employer they were in disoute with. This was such a problem that legislation was brought in to deal with it (in the UK this was done by Margaret Thatcher's government who had great success in dealing with this issue).

Nowadays if a Union organiser were to organise activity that physically blocked or intimidate people crossing picket lines, or were to organise an occupation of the workplace in question that disrupted its smooth working people would expect the full force of the law to be used against him. He could expect to be arrested, fined, sued and quite likely imprisoned if he say, for example,  organised a disruptive airport protest as part of an industrial dispute with the airport.

Such laws are largely uncontroversial these days, except amongst the far left. But they don't seem to apply to 'community organisers'. So the question is why? What's so special about community organisers that they have an exemption from even the moderate and uncontroversial laws that are enforced on union organisers? Why should they be above the law?

#MLK4PRISON

Under your plan, would people who intimidate, threaten and shout at women outside abortion clinics be subject to the full extent of the law? Because I might just support that
25  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Is it better never to have been born? on: February 27, 2017, 05:13:33 am
Nonexistence means you do not experience pleasure either, but the denial of pleasure is only bad if you exist to experience that.

Sure, and the absence of pain is only good if you exist to experience that. If you don't exist, nothing can be "good" or "bad" for you, because there is no "you" it could be good or bad for! Therefore, you can't make an argument that nonexistence is better than anything (or worse than anything). There is no grounds for comparison.

Certainly the period of almost eternal non existence before you pop into existence is not good/bad. But when you pop into existence you can take a different view of it. Some get really freaked out and demand a heaven or a cycle of rebirth or something to follow death that isn't a simple  return to non existence. But you can also not exist (as far as you are concerned) despite existing. The 'you' bit of you is your brain/mind. As far as the 'you' bit of me is concerned I have zero conscious memory of the first two years of my life. It's directly comparable to say, the two years before I was conceived. But I was 'here' (according to other witnesses). The first third of my life has only scattered receding memories which I replay in my mind each time becoming more of a facsimile of what actually occurred. If I succumb to dementia I might lose myself completely. That is frightening; losing 'you' once you know you. If that is a legitimate fear (borne out of 'you') then never having existed might be a legitimate preference even if it can't be morally compartmentalised as good/bad.
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