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1  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: My Aunt Shared this Photo on Facebook on: September 29, 2014, 03:11:24 pm
My husband's Pennsytucky bublef-ck relatives openly called the President a n-igger while visiting here. Relative or not, we said that was not on.
2  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Video of the old garage coming down on: September 28, 2014, 05:33:08 pm
I hope the wood got recycled Smiley
3  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: What are the biggest things that are getting better in the US and world? on: September 28, 2014, 05:31:18 pm
Access to information is more equalized than ever before.

As unfortunately is access to misinformation. The effect of which is increasingly disturbing.
4  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Favorite Disney Movie? on: September 28, 2014, 11:44:43 am
Here is my list, excluding those I've not seen

Classics First

Sleeping Beauty
Robin Hood
The Sword in the Stone
Dumbo
Cinderella
Pinocchio
The Rescuers
The Jungle Book
101 Dalmatians
Alice in Wonderland
The Fox and the Hound
Lady and the Tramp
The Aristocats
Peter Pan
Snow White
Bambi

'Renaissance'

The Lion King
Lilo and Stitch
The Emperors New Groove
Mulan
Aladdin
Hercules
The Little Mermaid
The Hunchback of Notre Dame
Beauty and the Beast
Pocahontas
The Rescuers Down Under

Also love Tangled, which is a far better movie than Frozen.
5  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Scottish independence referendum results thread (Sept 18, 2014) on: September 28, 2014, 11:11:34 am
Not sure this is the right place for this, but can. I see Gordon Brown making a comeback as First Minister and running Scotland as a personal fiefdom of sorts. If he takes the lead in negotations for expanded devolution, presenting himself as the champion of Scottish interests, he could generally establish himself, at long last, as an elder statesman who returned to his native Scotland to steer it towards greater autonomy, a strengthened union with the rest of the country, etc, etc.

This person seems to be thinking much of the same thing.

Gordon Brown has been a MP in name only for past 4 years
, what makes you think he'll suddenly get vigor and somehow manage to become First Minister of Scotland?

That may make an easy newspaper headline, but it's unfair.

Not if you live in Fife it isn't. He's been MIA.
6  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Catalan Independence Referendum (with FREE constitutional crisis!) on: September 27, 2014, 01:31:56 pm
If Spain says no it will be interesting simply because, legal machinations aside, if a bit of a country democratically votes to leave then it's not very democratic to not let them leave. Given the EU's passive aggressiveness when it came to Scotland it will be interesting to see what will be said about Catalonia given that it is clearly 'rich' (i.e it has owned it's own narrative with respect to it's wealth and self sufficiency in a manner we could not)
7  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Finally visiting the States: 2 to 12 November on: September 27, 2014, 12:44:21 pm
Welcome. I'd invite you to see New England in the fall, but by November most of the bloom is off the rose (or maple), at least around here.

I've been told it's quite something. If we car hire we'll probably head to Massachusetts et al for one or two overnights. I tend to like to hop around and can take things in pretty quickly.

I'll let everyone know where I am if anyone wants to meet a rambling Scotsman.
8  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Scottish independence referendum results thread (Sept 18, 2014) on: September 27, 2014, 08:33:00 am
Well in a Scottish context a capital U Unionist has often been used to mean...

To mean..... what? We're not mind readers Tongue

Conservative. The Conservative Party was called for a long time Unionist Party in Scotland. Officially, they are still called Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party.

And to confuse matters further the Unionist part referred to the policy on Ireland.
9  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Finally visiting the States: 2 to 12 November on: September 26, 2014, 12:43:49 pm
Michaels folks are in Monroe County so it's commutable from NY anyway. If we went to Florida then we would be stopping by St Augustine; he went to Flagler but it's a bit of a trip.
10  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Scottish independence referendum results thread (Sept 18, 2014) on: September 25, 2014, 03:18:13 pm
Some councils are releasing lower level results.

Here is the Yes vote by Scottish Parliamentary Constituency for Glasgow. Who holds the seat at Holyrood is in brackets

Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn - 57.1 (Labour)
Glasgow Provan - 56.97 (Labour)
Glasgow Pollok  - 53.87 (Labour - Johann Lamont)
Glasgow Southside - 52.99 (SNP - Nicola Sturgeon)
Glasgow Cathcart - 52.80 (SNP)
Glasgow Shettleston - 51.36 (SNP)
Glasgow Kelvin - 52.44 (SNP)
Glasgow Anniesland - 50.79 (SNP)

Interesting that Anniesland had the lowest percentage. Provan and Maryhill towards the top (and the only two removed from the overall result by more than 10pts) would tend to confirm the suspicion about ethnoreligious background, though Shettleston maybe not... but then what are the boundaries of Shettleston like again?

Glasgow Baillieston was abolished; the poorer half (Easterhouse et al) was moved into Provan and the richer half that used to be in Lanarkshire (Garrowhill, Mount Vernon) moved into Shettleston.

But yeah, Glasgow and Lanarkshire seem to show the pattern that we've talked about and indeed it could be suggested that the proportion of Labour voters saying Yes was higher than some of the surveys were suggesting. Which is why Scottish Labour seem to be bricking it post referendum.
11  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Scottish independence referendum results thread (Sept 18, 2014) on: September 25, 2014, 06:19:12 am
Some councils are releasing lower level results.

Here is the Yes vote by Scottish Parliamentary Constituency for Glasgow. Who holds the seat at Holyrood is in brackets

Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn - 57.1 (Labour)
Glasgow Provan - 56.97 (Labour)
Glasgow Pollok  - 53.87 (Labour - Johann Lamont)
Glasgow Southside - 52.99 (SNP - Nicola Sturgeon)
Glasgow Cathcart - 52.80 (SNP)
Glasgow Shettleston - 51.36 (SNP)
Glasgow Kelvin - 52.44 (SNP)
Glasgow Anniesland - 50.79 (SNP)

The Yes vote was strongest in Labour held seats (these are the seats they held during the 2011 wave) The Yes vote in South Lanarkshire was highest in the Rutherglen seat, again the only seat held in South Lanarkshire by Labour.
12  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Finally visiting the States: 2 to 12 November on: September 25, 2014, 06:04:24 am
More information Smiley

We're flying into New York and staying with friends up in Washington Heights. While Michael is a fast (lead footed) driver we're not sure if we'll rent. He can bomb it down to Florida in 16 hours which we might do, though it does mean loosing a day each way. We'll be dropping by the Poconos to see his family but only for a day or two. It makes sense I think, given that it's November, that we'll stay fairly local.
13  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Office of Mideast Governor TJ on: September 25, 2014, 06:00:31 am
This is the sort of legislation I felt that the Mideast would eventually pass, in time. The political atmosphere of the region was in part behind the decision I made to leave after nearly ten years of residency. I've commented on this for other reasons however.

Ultimately this is a game. Part of the reason why over the decade of this game, we don't have laws like this on the statute books in Atlasia is because of the make-up of the forum and the make up of the players does not reflect reality. Over 1/3rd of the Forum identify as LGBT. To approve by signing, or to tacitly approve by allowing the legislation to simply become law a piece of legislation in this game which is deeply offensive and deeply personal to many people who play it, I think sets a worrying precedent. Part of the reason is because unlike many of the other issues we play about with on Atlasia this is something very tangible for people. As a statement, which is precisely what this piece of legislation is (and given the person it comes from) it is designed to do nothing but offend and rile. I would request that this bill be vetoed.
14  Forum Community / Forum Community / Finally visiting the States: 2 to 12 November on: September 24, 2014, 02:16:16 pm
It's booked. At last. Will be New York bound.
15  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Australia General Discussion on: September 23, 2014, 02:00:59 pm
Hifly, I warned your privately about this sort of behaviour. Cool it.
16  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: UK General Discussion on: September 23, 2014, 10:54:37 am
The SNP announces that it has doubled it's membership since Thursday and now claims a higher level of membership than the Lib Dems.
17  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK General Election 2015 on: September 23, 2014, 06:20:34 am
Nonetheless, not a bad starting point.

It's an interesting idea. Many of the regions themselves were in many ways defined by geography; signal strength being dictated by hills etc.

In terms of 'federalising' England, The North East is fine as it is, though it might make sense to re-establish the border with Yorkshire at the Tees. Yorkshire is a defined entity; the current region but excluding North Lincs. The North West is broadly fine. Cumbria is a bit of a problem I suppose but it's links are certainly south rather than east. The West Midlands makes sense too as does the East Midlands. It's once we get south that things get problematic.

The South West actually makes sense but perhaps it would be better served by having 'the peninsula' as one area and then unite the rest with Oxford, Bucks etc into a central southern region. The Sussex's, Kent, Surrey can be the rest. Perhaps I don't care enough about the South anyway :p
18  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK General Election 2015 on: September 22, 2014, 04:09:06 pm
Some form of regional government makes sense, but it's fairly clear that the regions should not be the current official ones (which are essentially statistical entities). Possibly it would make sense to dust off the Redcliffe-Maud report and then adjust accordingly.

If there's anything the North East referendum told us, with the results in places like 'Cleveland' (and the NE Region is probably the most well defined of the lot, Yorkshire excluded) is that even if they are well defined, they will still piss some people off. The 70's re-organisation was good, but we've lost defined mets and counties into a maze of piecemeal suburban centred 'Localism' which is difficult to patch up.

Perhaps I have my 'bathwithashortA' hat on but when I do a little federal exercise in my head once I get the past the midlands I have no idea how you create acceptable units. Where on earth does Northants go? It's like the Powys of the Midlands.

While Scotland is comfortable with it's central belt dominance and Wales seems to get by despite being culturally split east-west and north-south, it's difficult to 'impose' regions. I read a paper once that suggested that post-war, one of the best measures of local attachment was through the power of the tellybox; the old ITV regions were surprisingly powerful. Might be a strange place to start.
19  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK General Election 2015 on: September 21, 2014, 04:05:55 pm
The big problem for Labour in Scotland is that the aftermath of the referendum might be a gift that keeps on giving

Such as this charming photo of Dame Anne Begg, MP for Aberdeen South and Dave MacDonald leader of the Scottish wing of the National Front.


20  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Scottish independence referendum results thread (Sept 18, 2014) on: September 20, 2014, 08:52:18 am
The only thing that could justify a referendum in the short run would be it becoming clear that no more powers were being devolved.

I think so. You have 45% who voted for independence including, it seems a majority of basically everyone from 16-65. It makes sense in that case to make a commitment to some form of federalism. What we will get are a few new powers, but nothing substantial that gives us control over much. Just 'bits' of things. They have already said no to devolving corporation tax for example.

I think Scottish Labour are suffering from a very slow bleeding wound which is probably one of the positives to come out of this campaign.
21  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: 2014 Selfie Creepfest/Post a picture of yourself thread on: September 19, 2014, 05:30:07 pm
It's only fair to post this.

22  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Scottish independence referendum results thread (Sept 18, 2014) on: September 19, 2014, 05:18:04 pm
I don't know what will happen and neither does anyone else, though I'll note that there are obvious political reasons for the SNP to insist (for now) that this was a once-in-a-generation vote.

My personal view is that few political phenomenons exemplify bad faith more than neverendums, and so I hope that we are more fortunate in that respect than Canada was.

Down with the gerio-cracy!

The SNP are a comfortable eighteen months or so away from a test at Holyrood. In the last few polls of this campaign some temperature checks on voting intention were done which indicated that, for now, the lopsided support for the SNP at the Holyrood level is still there. I think Salmond lumbering on would have been problematic. Nicola Sturgeon has been positioned into the leadership role for a number of years and is personally popular. Whether or not the 'stairheid brawls' between her and Jimmy Krankie start to become tiresome and as a result off-putting is another matter.

Closer to home, 2015 is still an unknown. There is a potential for the bloc Yes vote, that which is still politically engaged anyway, to coalesce around the SNP particularly if there is stagnation when it comes to further devolution
23  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Scottish independence referendum results thread (Sept 18, 2014) on: September 19, 2014, 04:20:06 pm
Just to let people know there are clashes in George Square in Glasgow. Loyalists have gathered and have set off flares. Other flares going off in small numbers across the city. Getting under control.

You're staying safe, assuming its perilous which...possibly not, I hope?


The main square saw the police 'kettling' the loyalists but it's spilled out on to the other streets because more people have turned up. They have been blocked off now.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152645465120901&set=vb.720735900&type=2&theater
24  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Scottish independence referendum results thread (Sept 18, 2014) on: September 19, 2014, 02:08:13 pm
Just to let people know there are clashes in George Square in Glasgow. Loyalists have gathered and have set off flares. Other flares going off in small numbers across the city. Getting under control.
25  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Scottish independence referendum results thread (Sept 18, 2014) on: September 19, 2014, 01:59:28 pm
Which means we also know more or less exactly who the twenty to thirty percent of Labour supporters (as highlighted by basically every poll) who voted Yes are. It makes a degree of logical sense; less attachment to the British state and - in a more functional sense - to the rest of the UK.

(Btw, have you ever considered a variant of 'this thing of ours' a generic jokey semi-euphemism for it?)

It's a shame that we don't have lower level results, because I'm now fairly sure that ethnoreligious background was a factor.

Evidently. Excluding Dundee it seems that support for independence was actually at it's highest in the areas that were Labour's last stand in 2011. Which in turn also correlated to 'thethingyouretalkingabout.'

So SNP projecting socially and culturally inclusive nationalism backfired and anti-Catholic bigotry resurfaced? But why now? SNP's has had broadly the same concept since Salmond got control of the party. Was it just because it got serious now?

The areas that voted strongly in favour of independence were more than likely areas with high Catholic populations. What's important to note that these areas in 2011 also (and this was most clearly seen within Glasgow itself at that time) remained Labour 'boltholes' in an otherwise sea of yellow that year. For that reason, with a bit of intuition, it seemed to me that in west central Scotland those who voted Labour in 2011 may have been more inclined to vote Yes in 2014. What is also striking, excluding E.Duns and E.Ren, the borders, and the islands which have their own special way of thinking is that the parts of the country where the SNP was strong didn't back Yes, or indeed backed No much more heavily.

These areas of the country are richer, have faster growing populations, low Catholic populations and high areas of 'No Religion' in the census amongst the young and high levels of Presbyterianism amongst the old. One would have expected the opposite result across the country. It would be helpful, though it is impossible to see, what the results by council would have been with the over 65's stripped back.

What is all the more curious is that Catholics in 1979 were less inclined to back the Assembly on the basis that there was a not too illegitimate fear that Scotland would become another Ulster. At that time there was a feeling that unionism (not that Catholics ever backed political Unionism in the Scottish sense) was a stalwart against state Presbyterianism.

I don't think there was anything remotely anti-Catholic about the vote. Given that it is likely that Yes led amongst almost all age groups until those in their 60's if anything the map doesn't tell us as much as it ought to. There's a bit of a 'grey mist' that makes meaningful interpretation difficult.
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