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1  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: United Kingdom Referendum on European Union Membership on: June 28, 2016, 04:39:12 pm
Some Birmingham ward results

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/eu-referendum-results-your-area-11536368

2  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: United Kingdom Referendum on European Union Membership on: June 28, 2016, 02:20:39 pm
Going back to the results: Can someone tell me something of interest about St Albans? It gave the fourth best result for REMAIN (62.5%) anywhere in England outside London (EoL). Only Cambridge, Oxford, and Brighton did REMAIN do better. Yet it's not a University town and always considered it a well-off part of the commuter belt, the district as a whole elects two very safe Tory MPs - yet many similar places of that description voted LEAVE. So what's so special about St Albans?

I don't think there is a definitive answer I'm afraid. The pattern of support in the South East correlates fairly strongly to house prices. The only identifier for St Albans is that's not really a deliberately built London overflow/new town unlike Stevenage, Hemel Hempstead, Harlow etc. Of course it has commuters, but it's less of a 'transplant' town. It's only had a Labour MP 1945-1950 and 1997-2010.
3  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Pigfvcker Memorial Suppository for UK News: A Departure from EUtopia on: June 28, 2016, 06:10:56 am
Merkel:

'We will make sure that negotiations will not be carried out as a cherry-picking exercise. There must be and there will be a palpable difference between those countries who want to be members of the European family and those who don’t ...

Whoever wants to leave this family cannot expect to shed all its responsibilities but keep the privileges ...

Those for example, who want free access to the single market will in return have to respect European basic rights and freedoms ... That’s true for GB just as much as for the others.

Free acccess to the single market is granted to those who accept the four basic European freedoms - that of people, goods, services and capital .Norway for instance is not a member of the European Union but has access to the single market because it accepts open migration from the European Union.'

Hello Schengen!
4  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Federal Judge: MS Clerks Can't Cite Religious Beliefs to Deny SSM Licenses on: June 28, 2016, 03:29:31 am
Before you make fun of Kim Davis for no reason, note that her issue was that she felt that the state should provide her a religious exemption and allow her office to issue marriage licenses without her name on them. She did not have a problem with other people in her office issuing the licenses as long as her name was not on the paper. She actually opposed a bill proposed by KY Republicans that would have created a separate marriage license form for same-sex couples because she said she did not believe in "separate but equal marriage" and said that all couples should use one, inclusive form. She's not a hateful person - don't turn her into a punching bag.

Are we already rewriting this?  When U.S. District Court Judge David Bunning held Davis in contempt of court, he said he would save her from jail if she simply allowed her deputies to issue the marriage licenses. She refused.

She was only released when she agreed to let her deputies do their job.
5  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: EURO 2016 Thread on: June 27, 2016, 03:54:14 pm
F-CKITY BYE!
6  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Pigfvcker Memorial Suppository for UK News: A Departure from EUtopia on: June 27, 2016, 03:10:52 pm
7  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Pigfvcker Memorial Suppository for UK News: A Departure from EUtopia on: June 27, 2016, 02:33:21 pm
The Maomentum rally appears strong outside parliament- although it's filled with SWP placards. My hope (which was 100% wrong last summer) is that Corbynites will be loud, but party members could swing the leadership race.

I'm already seeing Angela Eagle being called a Blairite

Very Sandernista. It's catching.
8  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Scottish independence referendum 2017? on: June 27, 2016, 11:38:29 am
Looks like Brussels isn't that enamoured with the SNP:

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Another [Brussels source] said: 'The atmosphere here right now is, "F*** the British". They are angry and they will never be willing to let the SNP in on the same terms as the UK had. They would extract a price from an independent Scotland for membership.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3660320/NON-EU-slaps-Sturgeon-SNP-leader-dramatically-announces-wants-immediate-discussions-STAY-EU-humiliated-Brussels-says-No-s-not-works.html

This doesn't necessarily mean much, because no one expects Scotland to get all or even most of the UK's many opt outs and they never have. The question is more whether the EU would accept Scotland at all.

This doesn't necessarily mean much as it's from the Daily Mail Cheesy
9  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: United Kingdom Referendum on European Union Membership on: June 27, 2016, 11:37:36 am
If it opts for an EEA agreement, why should Britain be excluded from having to sign up to Schengen? It'll effectively walk away from an 'immigration' based referendum having less control over it.

You would not want to be one of the Tory Leavers if that happens would you? Hey everyone, another bone fide case of politicians telling literal lies to the electorate and so soon after the LibDem uni fees debacle!

I think it would serve voters right, because I think we have to accept that some people no matter how much politicians try and ‘reach’ them or how much they bleat about ‘being ignored’ don’t know what the f-ck they actually want.

‘Immigration’ is such a catch all title it doesn’t mean anything. It allows you to not have to actually vocalise any specifics, either because you don’t know what the problem is, or if you have a specific problem with specific types of people, then it covers up any undercurrent of racism. We know some people don’t like Poles or Bulgarians for the same reason they didn’t like ‘the Paddys’. We know (particularly from the results of this referendum) some second and third generation commonwealth migrants don’t like people in Europe being able to settle easily as it’s not as easy to bring your entire extended family/the entire village over from Pakistan anymore. And some people don’t like ‘Muslims’, in terms of those already settled or coming from commonwealth countries and for some reason think that’s got something to do with the EU.

Now politicians obfuscate this. The media most certainly do. Both built up a concept of the EU that isn’t real; from ‘red tape’ (another catch all that means nothing) to vacuous red top selling pap like ‘bendy bananas’ that was very easy to get the public to vote against.

These sorts of people will glibly speak to TV cameras or post online and regurgitate all these little pellets showing how ’really really smart and man on the street, tell it like it is’ they are. And then when we have a national car crash, the same people will ’blame the politicians, aren’t they all the same’ wearing the same sh-t eating grin without every accepting or internalising that it was their inability to understand what the issue was that caused this mess.

Part of the reason the Lib Dem’s collapsed was because the Lib Dems allowed voters to project whatever they thought onto their party. So people not engaged in politics, not understanding what the Lib Dems stood for, what ideology Nick Clegg espoused and the very fact that teaming up with the Tories was pretty much what they were always going to do toddled off and voted for them to ‘send a message.’ Then they were affronted that the Lib Dems did exactly what they were always going to do and then blamed the Lib Dems for doing exactly what they were going to do simply because it betrayed the idea of the Lib Dems they had in their head.

The public are effectively ‘institutionalised’ and blame politicians for their own mistakes in judgment and the media cheer them on. Because ‘politicians are all the same’. At least until someone gets shot and people start to realise that maybe they are in fact not all the same. At least for a week.
10  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Pigfvcker Memorial Suppository for UK News: A Departure from EUtopia on: June 27, 2016, 07:12:22 am
Boris now says the vote to leave was "not entirely overwhelming" and Gove wants the exit talks to be informal.

They're  beginning to realise what exactly they've done and they're terrified.

Plan Boris was obviously for a narrow Remain vote and for him to then ride the coattails of anger amongst Tory members in the Shires to no. 10.

Plan UKIP was the same.
11  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: United Kingdom Referendum on European Union Membership on: June 27, 2016, 06:02:52 am
If it opts for an EEA agreement, why should Britain be excluded from having to sign up to Schengen? It'll effectively walk away from an 'immigration' based referendum having less control over it.
12  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Remain supporters, would you have been comfortable if Remain won on the backs of on: June 26, 2016, 03:40:41 pm
London and Scotland winning out over everywhere else would have been a nightmare scenario both politically for the Remain camp and ideologically for me personally, so no, I would not have been comfortable.

Scotophobe Cheesy
13  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Unban CCSF on: June 26, 2016, 12:05:22 pm
What's he up to over there now?
14  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Pigfvcker Memorial Suppository for UK News: A Departure from EUtopia on: June 26, 2016, 12:02:17 pm
Watson returns from Glastonbury and issues the following statement:

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I was deeply disappointed to see Hilary Benn sacked in the early hours of this morning and equally saddened that so many talented, able and hard-working colleagues felt they had to leave the shadow cabinet.

My single focus is to hold the Labour party together in very turbulent times. The nation needs an effective opposition, particularly as the current leadership of the country is so lamentable.

It's very clear to me that we are heading for an early general election and the Labour party must be ready to form a Government. There’s much work to do. I will be meeting Jeremy Corbyn tomorrow morning to discuss the way forward.

Aren't we lucky.

Watson's at Glastonbury, Corbyn's stuck in his house taking phone calls, Boris is playing cricket and Osborne is dead (possibly) or more likely hiding out at the dentist in some Majoresque plot.

Allowing Nicola to have one of her finest political weekends Cheesy
15  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: United Kingdom Referendum on European Union Membership on: June 26, 2016, 04:47:50 am
There might be a hidden 'veto' in the devolved assemblies.

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201516/ldselect/ldeucom/138/138.pdf
16  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: United Kingdom Referendum on European Union Membership on: June 25, 2016, 03:46:15 am
Hell also froze over today.



17  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Scottish independence referendum 2017? on: June 24, 2016, 11:05:03 am
I've seen the same thing. Big No's and 'SNP Out' people even at the GE in May at least emotionally saying they want out. Might settle down though.
18  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: United Kingdom Referendum on European Union Membership on: June 24, 2016, 08:04:02 am
Lord Ashcroft's 'morning after' poll is out.









19  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: United Kingdom Referendum on European Union Membership on: June 24, 2016, 06:13:00 am
Moves against Corbyn now.
20  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: United Kingdom Referendum on European Union Membership on: June 24, 2016, 06:11:54 am
21  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Scottish independence referendum 2017? on: June 24, 2016, 06:08:08 am
I genuinely don't know how I'd vote in this, and I hate the SNP and never even considered yes for a moment last time round.

Bit of conflation there. And that was part of the problem last time round. I think this time round Yes will be more cross party. I think Labour might come round this time.
22  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Scottish independence referendum 2017? on: June 24, 2016, 05:54:48 am
If Brexit wins, I hope Scotland becomes independent. They want to be In and should be.

The EU couldn't give us even tacit support in 2014 as we were part of the UK (and Spain's itchiness when it comes to it's own issues) I do not think this will be the case this time. This will be helpful.

The EU vindictively campaigning to dismember a former member state would be a very foolish thing to do, which would spook pretty much every country, both inside and out of the European Union.

It's not about dismembering. It's about sending signals that Scotland can retain it's EU membership while the rest of the UK leaves. The two things can happen simultaneously.
23  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: United Kingdom Referendum on European Union Membership on: June 24, 2016, 05:40:42 am
Also, Sturgeon has said she has talked to Mayor Khan in London which is interesting.
24  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Scottish independence referendum 2017? on: June 24, 2016, 05:40:01 am
If Brexit wins, I hope Scotland becomes independent. They want to be In and should be.

The EU couldn't give us even tacit support in 2014 as we were part of the UK (and Spain's itchiness when it comes to it's own issues) I do not think this will be the case this time. This will be helpful.
25  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Scottish independence referendum 2017? on: June 24, 2016, 05:34:10 am
If Scotland votes to leave the U.K and join the E.U, would it be reasonable to expect that a lot of businesses located/headquartered in the U.K would relocate to Scotland?

It depends. Some are already in Ireland for economic reasons, so it depends on things like corporation tax.
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