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1  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: US Alt/Far-Right accuse upcoming "Star Trek Discovery" series of White genocide on: Today at 04:18:51 am
If attending Starfleet was in any way like the army/team sports, white guys would all be cut anyway.
2  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Democrats Are ‘Children Of Satan,’ Right-Wing Radio Host Says on: June 22, 2017, 10:53:53 am
Modern secular social liberalism has at its root the same pitch as Satan gave to Eve: you know better than God, so why follow His rules? In a very literal way, social liberalism, atheism, libertarianism, etc. could all be labeled as Satanic and rightfully so.

While it's literally impossible for people to know better than God, God gave us a brain in order to think, otherwise he would have left the brain part out. It's all part of God's plan. In any case, Trump isn't very Godly.

Sure, but not all possible thoughts and actions are in accordance with God's will; He gave us fists, but that itself doesn't morally justify a punch. That's part of the whole free will thing.

The Bible is predicated on the notion that God's will is inherently and definitionally the highest possible good, ergo deviation from it is suboptimal at best and outright evil at worst. Every time Satan appears in the Bible, his message is consistent. He talks to people who know what the right thing is, but for whom doing what they want to do would be easier, more pleasureful, and full of positive worldly consequences. When Satan came to Jesus in the desert, it was to tell Him that taking the easy way out would give Him all kinds of worldly wonders, despite the fact He knew the Father's will for Him was anything but easy.

The Left complains God's commands as understood through the Bible are too strict, too hard, too intolerant, too offensive. Wouldn't it be easier to just ignore them? Think of all the money, fame, sex, drugs, and power you could have. Wouldn't that just be so good? Think of how many fewer arguments we'd have if no one cared what others did. No one would ever have to feel judged for what they did; no one would have to ever experience anything negative which might actually build moral character. Everything would just be so easy. And at the end of the day, when you feel that gaping maw of emptiness inside you, it's okay because you can fill it with new shallow frivolities tomorrow; you can always mortgage your soul another day.

But at least liberals care about the worldly pleasantries of others. Libertarians and some others on the Right (including Trump) would take even that if they could extract another ounce of worldly pleasure for themselves. Atheists go so far as to say God's commands don't even exist, and spend their lives pre-gaming for the absence of God awaiting them after this life, going so far as to lionize eternal annihilation as a desirable end. The Satanic call is so ingrained in their psyche that even the infinite beauty of God's love becomes like ash in their mouths, something to be despised and hated even if they believed it existed. It's no coincidence that the Church of Satan is essentially an atheistic, libertarian cult.

You can see all that in this very thread. Satan's servants will embrace him at the slightest provocation, even if they never realized they were so before. Sure, it may often come as jest, but it is a Freudian jest at best; that they would even allow such an equivocation is telling in itself.

I love you too.
3  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: PAPOY Creepfest 2017 on: June 17, 2017, 04:07:11 pm
Not Scotland Cheesy

4  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: TX governor signs bill allowing providers to deny LGBTQ youth child welfare on: June 17, 2017, 10:39:53 am
I love that the defense of this bill is "no one will actually use it" or "if you read it carefully, it doesn't allow anyone to do anything different," as if it isn't actually a law that was passed to effect policy.

Yet same sex marriage or other LGBT legislation will absolutely, definitely force all ministers to march in gay parades with cakes, under pain of death.
5  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: The Mormonism Thread 2.0 on: June 17, 2017, 10:34:47 am
https://www.queerty.com/young-girl-came-church-cut-mic-told-leave-20170615

Sad
6  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Rank US and UK prime ministers of the last 40 years on: June 15, 2017, 04:11:12 am
Nixon
Clinton
Obama
Cameron
Major
Blair
Ford
Thatcher
Carter
Callaghan
Bush 1
Brown
Reagan
May
Bush 2
Trump
7  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump plans an anti-Christian action on: June 14, 2017, 09:12:59 am
If it only becomes 'un Christian' to deport Christian migrants as opposed to Muslim and non Christian migrants then that's a pretty f-cked up world view.
8  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: What happened to Jesus of Nazareth? on: June 12, 2017, 06:33:45 am
You can believe in the resurrection as a matter of faith, but not as a matter of history. The New Testament is not a book of history. If Jesus was a historical figure, how was he historical (which is not the same as saying he didn't exist; he more than likely existed as a 'canvas'?) That's the question. Philo, Damis, Clovius Rufus, Pliny etc don't mention him. Much of what is claimed as evidence of early Christianity/Christians is often preserved only in apologist rebuttals. Cassius Dio's Roman History has 6 to 2 BCE and 30 CE missing for example. Quite a lot of what would establish Jesus as a historical figure (and detract from him as a supernatural figure) doesn't survive for the same reason as early Christian works contrary to the Roman Church don't survive. Building a state religion requires a lot of clerical 'assistance'.

The argument from silence is a tricky thing one to make. One has to make a compelling case for why a writer ought to have mentioned X. Josephus does twice (I'm aware of the interpolation of one of the passages but most scholars agree there is an authentic core), but then he is writing Jewish history. Why would one expect the writers you listed to mention Jesus in more detail than Josephus did?

The rest of your argument is a mix of presentism and conspiracy theory silliness. Apparently backwater preachers from two thousand years ago just leave reams of documentation for future generations to suppress.


Do you believe that the early Church retained all historical and
theological works on or referencing Jesus of Nazareth?


9  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Opinion of Ramadan on: June 12, 2017, 06:22:13 am
Voting FS since milquetoast, secular modernity deeply needs some form of resistance.

No idea what you mean by that.
10  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Next UK General Election thread on: June 10, 2017, 07:31:20 am
Seems the Tories now want to seek a formal coalition with the DUP. But the DUP won't negotiate on Sundays.
11  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: What happened to Jesus of Nazareth? on: June 09, 2017, 05:01:22 pm
You can believe in the resurrection as a matter of faith, but not as a matter of history. The New Testament is not a book of history. If Jesus was a historical figure, how was he historical (which is not the same as saying he didn't exist; he more than likely existed as a 'canvas'?) That's the question. Philo, Damis, Clovius Rufus, Pliny etc don't mention him. Much of what is claimed as evidence of early Christianity/Christians is often preserved only in apologist rebuttals. Cassius Dio's Roman History has 6 to 2 BCE and 30 CE missing for example. Quite a lot of what would establish Jesus as a historical figure (and detract from him as a supernatural figure) doesn't survive for the same reason as early Christian works contrary to the Roman Church don't survive. Building a state religion requires a lot of clerical 'assistance'.

12  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK General Election, 2017 - Election Day and Results Thread on: June 09, 2017, 02:09:36 pm
Ashcrofts 'exit poll'

Striking; Labour led age groups 18-44 and were one point behind the Tories from 45-54. Tories ahead with Boomers.
13  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK General Election, 2017 - Election Day and Results Thread on: June 08, 2017, 04:40:35 pm
Actual Exit Poll seat projections:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/40104373
14  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Scottish Episcopal Church votes in favour of allowing same sex couples to marry on: June 08, 2017, 12:15:24 pm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-40190204

It is expected that the Church of Scotland may do the same.
15  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK General Election, June 8th 2017 on: June 07, 2017, 05:10:21 pm
Apparently Survation's release has been delayed due to a fracas in the stats room!

Worth noting Survation nailed 2015, but didn't release the poll because they didn't believe it.
16  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Half a goodbye on: June 07, 2017, 05:06:13 pm
I will forever remember you in the dark Brown years cheering about Labour gains from the Lib Dems in Liverpool as authority after authority fell nationwide. Sad to see that optimism diminish Smiley
17  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone V: Born Under A Bad Sign on: June 04, 2017, 08:42:45 am
Thinking of starting a family Smiley Exploring options.
18  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK General Election, June 8th 2017 on: June 03, 2017, 03:27:41 pm
So either a hung parliament or a Tory landslide. Something for everyone Cheesy
19  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK General Election, June 8th 2017 on: June 03, 2017, 02:54:42 pm
Survation

CON 40
LAB 39
LIB 8
UKIP 5
20  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK General Election, June 8th 2017 on: June 02, 2017, 04:42:23 pm
If I lived in 1983 I'd be concerned.
21  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Do left-liberals neglect the importance of families? on: June 02, 2017, 03:43:18 pm
I'm of the opinion that gay couples should be able to create their own families, and they should also have a right for a biological family. So yeah, while we should regulate this business to make sure there's no exploitation, we need to help gay couples if they want to establishb a family. Right now, it's a privilege for rich couples.

Rich couples, gay or straight, should not be allowed to buy children out of some unfortunate woman's womb either. You cannot regulate that which is inherently exploitive into not being so.

This is the first time that I've ever heard someone claim a "right to a biological family." The idea perplexes me.

What's with this idea that women could never be okay with having a baby for others who can't have one themselves?

Sure, they might.  But keep out the pressure placed on them to do so by contracts or getting paid to do it.

On what basis should a surrogate be 'compensated' for the inherent risk, as mitigated as it is these days, in carrying a child? Why is there an issue with 'contracts', ensuring that the potential parent and the surrogate understand each others position?
22  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: ScotVote - A Scottish Election Series (Master Thread) on: May 24, 2017, 11:52:32 am
Love it Cheesy
23  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Scottish Independence Refrendum; Brexit on: May 24, 2017, 11:50:36 am
Yes/Remain/Yes.
24  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK General Election, June 8th 2017 on: May 22, 2017, 02:43:20 pm
I'm starting to think the Tories might actually struggle to get a majority. Something has shifted; May is stuck either repeating herself and her mantra, which brings her down, or making u-turns which makes a mockery of those mantra which also brings her down.

There's an uplift in the Labour vote which isn't coming from UKIP, or from the Tories etc but from a broad base of voters who simply disappeared 20 years ago. That might be enough to fight the Tories to a similar result to 2015, even with the Tory vote share also going up.

This week might just be an electoral fart. Ask me in a week Tongue
25  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Gym Goers! What Gym do you go to? on: May 22, 2017, 12:56:01 pm
A university gym.
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