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1  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Milo Yiannopoulos on: Today at 07:01:38 am
Mind numbingly boring generic conservative who said the same things 5 years ago in a suit that he does today wearing a twin set and pearls. That he's a 'character' on the right shows how banal the right wing is.
2  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: CPAC: Milo disinvited, quits Breitbart on: February 23, 2017, 03:56:18 pm
And speaking of Maher and Milk I notice that the only response from Democrats on this thread about them has been from afleitch making excuses for Milk. Anybody else have any views on this or would they rather ignore the question?

No I did not. I explained that there was, ironically, no age of consent because all homosexual sex was illegal in the state of California. I also explained that the age of consent is 16 or 17 in some states and 18 in others, therefore you can't make moral pronouncements on people who have sex at 16 in the USA because it exists as an age of consent in a significant number of US states.

But as has been very well put by PD, you have, and continue to play in 'whataboutery'.
3  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: At CPAC: Cruz predicts another SCOTUS vacancy this summer on: February 23, 2017, 12:42:30 pm
If it's a liberal they will of course appoint a liberal to replace them...
4  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: CPAC: Milo disinvited, quits Breitbart on: February 23, 2017, 10:23:33 am
Milk would have been 33 in 1963; thirteen years before homosexual acts were decriminalised in California. Nothing, consensual or otherwise was legal. Californias age of consent is still 18 to this day. It's 16 next door in Nevada which shows how arbitrary such laws are. In the USA ages of consent vary at 16, 17, 18. Not 13 etc.  I think you can have a go at Milk for a lot (Jim Jones for example) But I think there is a distinction between sexual activity/consent at 16 and at 13 particularly when 16 is the age of consent across half of the USA.

I was 16 in 2000. The age of consent was then 18. I had sexual encounters with 18 year olds. Technically I could not consent, though if I was having straight sex I could.

5  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Have you ever had a religious or supernatural experience? on: February 23, 2017, 09:11:17 am
No.

My mildly aspergic mind is good at rationalising things that appear fantastical.
6  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: CPAC: Milo disinvited, quits Breitbart on: February 22, 2017, 07:49:01 pm
Is this thread going to actually be about CPAC, or should I start a new one to actually discuss something other than Milo?

People on this forum tend not to get too excited about 'scripted reality' trash tv.
7  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: CPAC: Milo disinvited, quits Breitbart on: February 22, 2017, 05:08:29 pm
What would you consider to be an appropriate source?
Because everyone outside of the manosphere (and a lot of manospherians) know that Roosh was 100% serious
The references to him being accused of being a 'rape denier' that I've seen seem to center around the "How to stop rape" article. Reading that article its pretty clear that it was satirical. I'm not familiar with his writings on his whole PUA thing, that's never been something I've been into. If you've got evidence of him being a rape apologist/rapist I'll look at it.

An appropriate source would not be a newspaper. Verifiable primary sources would be appropriate sources if you can provide links.

I will, genuinely, devote time to finding screen grabs through web archive (as he tends to delete everything) this weekend.
Might be easier for you if you are able to link to an article by someone else who has already done that (I presume this would have already been done).

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If I do this, and post them, do you promise to accept the premise and then leave? Because I'm not wasting my time on this again.
No, but I'll then be able to review what was actually said

The reason I ask is because as part of the mod team, as non plussed as I am these days, I need to know whether you actually are sticking your head out in support of paedophilia/rape apologists.

Edit: Any source I posted, would not be to your taste. But any anti 'Male Rights' blog will do. Like this one: http://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/?s=roosh
8  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: CPAC: Milo disinvited, quits Breitbart on: February 22, 2017, 04:51:56 pm
What would you consider to be an appropriate source?
Because everyone outside of the manosphere (and a lot of manospherians) know that Roosh was 100% serious
The references to him being accused of being a 'rape denier' that I've seen seem to center around the "How to stop rape" article. Reading that article its pretty clear that it was satirical. I'm not familiar with his writings on his whole PUA thing, that's never been something I've been into. If you've got evidence of him being a rape apologist/rapist I'll look at it.

An appropriate source would not be a newspaper. Verifiable primary sources would be appropriate sources if you can provide links.

I will, genuinely, devote time to finding screen grabs through web archive (as he tends to delete everything) this weekend. If I do this, and post them, do you promise to accept the premise and then leave? Because I'm not wasting my time on this again.
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: CPAC: Milo disinvited, quits Breitbart on: February 22, 2017, 03:30:07 pm
Is literally everyone in the alt right a terrible person? You'd think there'd be at least one token decent one.

That's what differentiates the alt-right from Fascism. At least the Fascists had Rommel.
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: CPAC: Milo disinvited, quits Breitbart on: February 22, 2017, 12:33:24 pm
Interesting take on these events from Roosh V, who of course went through a similar media frenzy a few years ago when the media falsely labelled him a 'rape apologist'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuI3RpeZcc8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emLMq1AqvY0


Roosh V - 'Make rape legal if done on private property. I propose that we make the violent taking of a woman not punishable by law when done off public grounds. If rape becomes legal under my proposal, a girl will protect her body in the same manner that she protects her purse and smartphone.'

What won't you be an apologist for EnglishPete?




And if you had read the whole article you would realise that it was a satire, a satire that was deliberately misrepresented by big media corporations as a means of attacking the author.

http://www.rooshv.com/how-to-stop-rape

Perhaps you might react the same way to someone quoting Jonathan Swift "You're advocating for VILE CANNIBALISM ADVOCATE Jonathan Swift!! How low can you go??!!"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal

Oh it was a satire? A BBC documentary with Reggie Yates in 2011 was satire? His 'When No Means Yes' is satire?

This article from renowned left wing paper, the Daily Mail which notes that he admitted acts that would be considered rape is just satire?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3439840/Return-Kings-founder-Daryush-Roosh-Valizadeh-admits-considered-rape-deleted-post.html

Or any of these;

“All women are worthless dirty whores”

“My default opinion of any girl I meet is ‘she is a worthless dirty whore until proven otherwise’. When so many girls have opened their legs up for me so quickly and easily, it’s hard for me to respect them.

I do not feel any closer to a girl when I pump her, and most of the time I respect her less because my opinion of her as a worthless dirty whore who probably likes being choked was proven correct.”

“You should fantasize about choking girls”

“The more worthless you think of the female species and the less you fantasize about your dream girl, the more likely you will find and successfully game her. The fantasy you should have to get your ideal girl should be choking and butt-f***ing her, not having a romantic walk with her on a beautiful beach underneath a full moon.”

“Men must make all the decisions for women”

“Systems must now be put in place where a woman’s behaviour is monitored and her decisions subject to approval of a male relative or a guardian who understands what’s in her best interests better than she does herself.”

Again, why are you apologising for a rape apologist/rapist? Please bear in mind the gravity of your response to this.
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: CPAC: Milo disinvited, quits Breitbart on: February 22, 2017, 12:00:47 pm
Interesting take on these events from Roosh V, who of course went through a similar media frenzy a few years ago when the media falsely labelled him a 'rape apologist'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuI3RpeZcc8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emLMq1AqvY0


Roosh V - 'Make rape legal if done on private property. I propose that we make the violent taking of a woman not punishable by law when done off public grounds. If rape becomes legal under my proposal, a girl will protect her body in the same manner that she protects her purse and smartphone.'

What won't you be an apologist for EnglishPete?


12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Safe Space? NC Republicans propose politcal party quotas for college professors on: February 22, 2017, 06:52:41 am
If can get liberal theologians in conservative Christian colleges there might be an upside!

But no, we know that's not what they mean.
13  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: CPAC: Milo disinvited, quits Breitbart on: February 21, 2017, 04:30:54 pm
The majority of you can never, ever empathize with growing up gay... and all of the negative implications that come with it.  I see it in the way you treat so called "self hating gays"... like you are entitled to saying extremely homophobic and hurtful things to someone because they can't stand themselves and can't accept who they are.  That's disgusting and it is so apparent to me and it separates out the wheat from the tares, I'll tell you that much.

I grew up gay. I have every sympathy for those who hate themselves. I don't have sympathy for people who damage others because they hate themselves. Self hating gays are never just 'self' hating.

Milo says that gay people can change their orientation. He says he wishes they would go back in the closet. He says that 'gay rights have made gays dumb'. He says that he wishes they would go back to marrying women and having families and have affairs, ruin families because it was more 'fun'.

He called a reporter a 'thick as pig sh!t media Jew.' He sexually harassed people online. He says that trans people are mentally ill.

He is an awful human being.
14  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Hypocrisy of the left on the media on: February 21, 2017, 11:46:19 am
It was my birthday last night. But what I really meant by that is that it was last June.
15  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Hypocrisy of the left on the media on: February 21, 2017, 07:13:26 am
It's not the media's fault that the facts on which they report are denounced as 'left wing' by the alt-right and therefore so are the media.
16  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: How much truth is here? on: February 20, 2017, 03:14:36 pm
As I've mentioned before, I think we've already moved past their point of relevance as an 'alt' force. They weren't supposed to 'win' this early; they wanted 4, maybe 8 years of instability in which they were the outsiders. Russia sort of wanted that too. Now there's an internal and international backlash against them brewing. There's nothing 'edgy' about being the establishment.
17  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: CPAC: Milo as keynote speaker on: February 20, 2017, 12:22:49 pm
Milo is literally on tape saying that it isn't wrong for a 28 year old and a 13 year old to be involved sexually.



But you know. It's a joke. Take it as a joke. It's your problem for not taking it as a joke which makes your reaction the problem not what I'm saying. And if you've been sexually assaulted and don't find it funny then you're a snowflake. Jeez. Get over it. I'm just being funny.

But please please don't cancel this because I need the money and exposure. And if you do it's not a private business decision, the ones I think people have the right to make (not when it affects me). You're caving in just like the SJW's make people do. It's just a joke. It's edited to make me look bad. It's like fake news.

And besides lots of gays think like me. And by lots I mean me and my friends. I'm not projecting honest.

That's totally not me now. Look at the hair. Do you like my hair today? I'm honestly not trying to overcompensate for being adenoidal, bland and dull. Look at how fabulous I look. I'm a gay Jew with a black boyfriend, like a fox in the henhouse. Except I'm actually Catholic. I don't do identity politics at all.

It's just a joke.
18  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: CPAC: Milo as keynote speaker on: February 20, 2017, 07:19:23 am
Y'all have to understand that this precisely why conservatives love Milo so much. He's basically a gay minstrel, confirming their most despicable bigotries. Conservatives think that gay men are sexually deviant pedophiles, and here comes a gay man to say, you're right, we are!

Ding ding ding.
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Populist correctness: the new PC culture of Trump's America and Brexit Britain on: February 20, 2017, 07:16:12 am
‘SJW’s are often accused of being offended on behalf of others (which can be misguided altruism), but those on the right are offended on behalf of themselves. They don’t like doing anything that requires a minimum of effort, change or introspection. Everything that’s done on behalf of someone else, becomes all about them.

So LGBT rights isn’t about anything else but ‘why should I have to bake a cake’? Trans rights are about ‘what about when I go to the toilet’? Big issues on discrimination are distilled into small little personal inconveniences that they think are bigger than the issues that affect the other side. Everything that isn’t them or like them is an inconvenience. The entire 2016 campaign was about creating a big national ‘safe space’ from economic realities, environmental realities and demographic change. For those who are religious, the USA is the number one country in the world where you can pick a church to suit you and cocoon yourself there every Sunday, surrounded by the same people, who think the same things who reinforce it. And in close knit areas that can spill into the local communities too. They are ‘safe spaces’ (which you will hopefully have gathered I’m not against in principle, but demonstrably exist as much on the right as they do on the left). Your Facebook feed where you share the same dross with your equally reactionary friends is a safe space. Your news outlets that filter it for you are safe spaces.

Reality is 'fake news' because it's little chinks of light that confirm that they are living inside their own heads. That what they have built up to be 'a truth' because it feels true (and demand to be treated as a 'protected class' of truth if you will) isn't, yet, superseding reality for everyone else.

They are vulnerable, scared and thin skinned.
20  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Does anybody agree with these moderating decisions? on: February 19, 2017, 06:18:38 pm
I reported the first one (a rare occurrence these days) as it was basically part of a chain of 'Paddy bashing'.
21  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump tweets: The media is the "enemy of the American people" on: February 19, 2017, 03:25:29 pm
‘That’s what they have in dictatorships’: Chris Wallace rips Priebus for wanting a ‘state-run media’[/b][/u]
Like... the ORF? And the NOS?

Or the 'fake news' BBC.

And you know that's not the sort of 'state-run' media that Priebus wants!
22  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Make a case for your faith (or philosophy) on: February 19, 2017, 01:11:09 pm
Look at how early Christianity spread versus how early Islam spread. Christianity was a set of true believers getting martyred; Islam was part of a conquering nation.

I can give you your theology, but don't misinterpret history.

Christianity spread (and this is meant to be a very quick rundown) through the Roman Empire through missionaries at first with strong evidence it was adopted by soldiers (for the same reasons that Mithraism was popular amongst soldiers) when it was an interesting new cult which helped ‘prime’ some areas of the Empire before missionaries actually got there.

Incidentally it also went east by virtue of the silk road and survived in fluctuating pockets (before 500 ad, 1/3rd of the world’s Christians were in what we would now consider Asia).

Then of course it became mandated by the Empire itself to the point at which laws forbade the practice of all other faiths for the first time in the entire history of the Roman Republic/Empire until such a point that it became integrated within the imperial government, leading to a form of 'caesaropapism' that ended up surviving the collapse of the Empire itself. At the time of Constantine’s conversion it was estimated that a small minority of the population of the Roman Empire were Christian and we can say than in the loosest sense of the word because there were numerous competing Christian sects. Not only did Constantine prompt the beginning of the Empire’s general edict against paganism, he was also the first Roman Emperor to specifically target unwanted Christian sects. That in turn affected early Christian thinkers like Augustine of Hippo to find ‘merit’ in using violence against heretics which they had previously argued against.

Then followed periods of forced conversion and by the early 400’s the first instances of genuine political/state action taken against ‘heretics’ (literally eradicating them) Christianity then had to fight its way into Europe which wasn’t necessarily ‘completely’ Christianised until the 1000’s-1100’s. While Europe was busy bludgeoning itself over whether Jesus liked ruffs or puritan buckles, Europe managed to export Christianity to the New World in ways and means that are genuinely barbarous. Same in Africa too.
23  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: lol: Trump back to doing victory rallies, starting in Melbourne, Florida on: February 18, 2017, 06:18:22 pm
He's losing his crowd lol

Aside from the token latino sitting there giggling hysterically the crowd looks confused... especially when he mentioned fiat and Chrysler bringing back jobs

Yes. That's exactly what's happening.
24  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: McCain (on Trump): Dictators 'get started by suppressing free press' on: February 18, 2017, 06:17:40 pm
The recent glorification by the left of the warmongering/neocon/evil to the core segment of the GOP simply because they oppose Trump is pathetic.

I always had a relatively high opinion of John McCain.

This goes back to his opposition to some of George W. Bush's policies though... like his opposition to torture.

Foreign policy-wise, McCain is indeed way too much of a hawk for my taste. This is why I wouldn't want to see him as president.

Still, he was probably the most decent man the Republicans nominated for president in the past 20 years.

McCain has credentials the GOP never allowed him to exercise. Better late than never.
25  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: lol: Trump back to doing victory rallies, starting in Melbourne, Florida on: February 18, 2017, 06:02:00 pm
Still have no idea what he's talking about and it's been 15 minutes. Or is that 15 months?
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