Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
October 21, 2014, 04:36:50 pm
HomePredMockPollEVCalcAFEWIKIHelpLogin Register
News: Don't forget to get your 2013 Gubernatorial Endorsements and Predictions in!

  Show Posts
Pages: [1] 2 3 4 5 6 ... 796
1  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Don't vote for deviants on: Today at 02:09:48 pm
Sounds like this might be a hairy campaign.
2  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: People of the Republic of Atlasia v. Snowstalker on: Today at 12:14:47 pm
Not Proven.
3  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: posters you find entertaining on: October 19, 2014, 02:25:06 pm
JCL is hilarious.
4  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Is Homosexuality a sin? on: October 19, 2014, 01:57:41 pm
This may not seem fair to you, but the point of a religion is often that one must give up pleasurable things in this life to inherit a reward in the next one.  Just as the prohibition of homosexual sex exists, there would also be a prohibition against extramarital sex for heterosexual people. 

So it goes like this;

HETEROSEXUAL? Sex bad. Unless married.
HOMOSEXUAL? All sex bad. All intimacy bad. All romance bad.

What a cruel god this is. To f-ck up and f-ck with ten percent of his creation. And then to give free rein to the remaining ninety percent to f-ck with them as well.

Your going to have to take your complaints up with the big man upstairs.

Big man? He's no better than a boy pulling legs off of spiders.
5  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Is Homosexuality a sin? on: October 19, 2014, 01:33:06 pm
This may not seem fair to you, but the point of a religion is often that one must give up pleasurable things in this life to inherit a reward in the next one.  Just as the prohibition of homosexual sex exists, there would also be a prohibition against extramarital sex for heterosexual people. 

So it goes like this;

HETEROSEXUAL? Sex bad. Unless married.
HOMOSEXUAL? All sex bad. All intimacy bad. All romance bad.

What a cruel god this is. To f-ck up and f-ck with ten percent of his creation. And then to give free rein to the remaining ninety percent to f-ck with them as well.
6  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Is Homosexuality a sin? on: October 19, 2014, 12:17:10 pm
Why would god create, at all times and in every culture a group of people; whether it's 5% or 10% who mostly have an exclusive attraction to the same sex, not just in a sexual fashion, but in terms of bonding, intimacy, love, commitment and being generally completed as a person by being with that other person...and then condemn it. What a stupid god. And what an even more stupid person you are for accepting that.
7  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Catholic church opens up - a little bit - to gay couples on: October 19, 2014, 12:13:14 pm
Seriously. How tantalizing (for, you know, what it was), and what a disappointment. I mean, at least 'no consensus' (which is how this is being reported) is less bad than an actively reactionary consensus, and at least Cardinal Burke has been demoted, but still.

To be fair, it's not as if we have to wait for permission. The major issue for me (because quite frankly I don't really care what they think about gay people; part of me believes there's a deliberate effort to be contrary anyway) was no agreement reached on communion (with the emphasis on the communal part of that) for divorcees.
8  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Catholic church opens up - a little bit - to gay couples on: October 19, 2014, 09:33:03 am
Well that was fun while it lasted.
9  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Doctor Who - Series 8 on: October 19, 2014, 06:34:02 am
Yes. 100 times yes.
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Rank Each State on the Spectrum on: October 19, 2014, 05:10:54 am
Utah is clearly the most autistic.
11  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK General Election 2015 on: October 17, 2014, 12:43:15 pm
Why would UKIP being in favour of changing the electoral system make such a change more likely to happen? The LibDems (and their Alliance and Liberal predecessors) have been in favour - and a relevant political force - for even longer, and yet...

There are elements in all parties that seem to rate any system of proportionality as worse than Hitler. Staying on that analogy, I think UKIP might contain a lot of people like that so it's a non starter. Though it might be in their manifesto for a couple of months for the hell of it.

Unlike the Lib Dems (and it's debatable even under STV whether the Lib Dems gain that disproportionately) UKIP would probably suffer somewhat. They will be quite happy with one or two boarding house seaside towns and a bit more media coverage come 2015 (seats which come 2017 will probably defect anyway)
12  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: At last; 2007 Scottish Parliamentary Election by ward. on: October 17, 2014, 11:42:37 am
Google Docs link:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1n-LJmKpjQKjyBMQM25IxiWmESwSnYJtBIlYds7BzNdc/edit?usp=sharing
13  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: At last; 2007 Scottish Parliamentary Election by ward. on: October 17, 2014, 06:20:51 am
Loving the friends and neighbours effect in the Western Isles.

Here are the Western Isles

51   518   73   859   Barraigh, Bhatarsaigh, Eirisgeigh agus Uibhist a Deas
89   741   92   919   An Taobh Siar agus Nis
97   601   72   557   Beinn na Foghla agus Uibhist a Tuath
106   656   116   755   Loch a Tuath
76   456   94   458   Na Hearadh agus Ceann a Deas nan Loch
62   777   81   545   Sgire an Rubha
86   637   98   777   Sgir'Uige agus Ceann a Tuath nan Loch
86   659   130   765   Steòrnabhagh a Deas
99   622   96   719   Steòrnabhagh a Tuath

To make sense of it a little, Labour were two votes behind in Harris. While it is difficult to ascertain for sure, Labour's strongest vote was actually in areas with the strongest 'sabbatarianism' bordering on the Catholic areas; Harris and North Uist (and a little bit in the Stornoway outpost, rather than the town proper), with Barra and South Uist, some of the most Catholic areas of the country giving the SNP it's strongest % vote and Labour it's weakest on the island. This is very much the reverse of the rest of the country.
14  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: At last; 2007 Scottish Parliamentary Election by ward. on: October 16, 2014, 04:25:09 pm
nicely done. you can really see how weak the lib dems are outside of their target seats.

are these the constituency votes or the list votes btw, I'd guess constituency from the distribution

Constituency.

What I found intriguing if that the voting patterns were relatively uniform in rural areas with support for the winning party relatively evenly spread. It was in urban seats that there were pockets of strong second or even third party support.
15  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: At last; 2007 Scottish Parliamentary Election by ward. on: October 16, 2014, 12:26:46 pm
Done.

I'll upload it onto Google Docs once I get it formatted. For now, here is a simple map.

16  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Is Homosexuality a sin? on: October 15, 2014, 04:43:27 pm
I'll concede that some people use "sin" to refer exclusively to actions deemed wrong by a deity, but I've always used it in a more generic sense, and I think my quote made clear I was using it in that sense, albeit with a bit of mild humor concerning the contrast with the theocentric sense, humor that apparently got lost and by now has been totally obliterated.

There's really two ways to think of those quips

1) Doing something one knows is wrong
2) Sticking a thumb in the eye of the socons

I think everyone was doing the latter, which is a bit immature, but not nearly as bad as the former option.

Meaning?
17  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: What is the significance of calling something a social construction? on: October 15, 2014, 03:04:31 pm
People seem to use "it's a social construction" as a way of saying 'it isn't real.'

I think most people tend to argue not that it isn't 'real' because the worth of a concept can be measured in a variety of ways, but that is isn't self-evident and therefore by extension, immutable.
18  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Is Homosexuality a sin? on: October 15, 2014, 02:33:42 pm
To think something is a sin and to love doing it is truly depraved and in this it also confirms the worst opinions of those who are homophobes.

Seems pretty easy to reconcile to me. Follow along:

1) I accept that some people have need for a category of actions they label "sinful".
2) To them, homosexuality falls into that category.
3) There is some overlap between what they would consider "sinful" and what I would call "wrong", but that overlap is not complete.
4) Homosexuality is not in that overlap.
5) Therefore I can accept that homosexuality is "sinful" (a category which means nothing to me) while not thinking it morally wrong, and enjoy it as I will.

Bleh.  Playing with semantics doesn't in the least affect the point you perfectly well knew (or should have known) that I was making.  It doesn't matter what you call it, sin, wrongness, blameworthy, etc.  To think that something is something that should not be engaged in is nevertheless something you enjoys doing is completely depraved.

First of all, it's clear that the posters were simply having fun. It's a good way to deal with what is a deeply offensive proposition in the first place. Christians have a tendency to take out the 'clicky pen' and label various actions, sexual actions or body choices as 'sinful' (which by definition is 'towards god') and therefore place on it a status that in many ways is quite demeaning, without any concern for the effect that has on anyone but themselves. So if someone says to me 'so sleeping with men must make you a faggot?' I could reply 'well it must mean that I am a faggot then.'

Personally, other than as a turn of phrase, I don't consider anything 'sinful' for it's effect on a deity is of no concern with me. I may however consider things to be good, bad or indifferent which may just happen to dovetail with some of the 'sin' tick boxes.
19  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Ebola Thread on: October 15, 2014, 01:31:56 pm
Strictly speaking, banning all transport from town to village in the affected areas is the most effective way in which to halt the spread of Ebola in affected areas and banning transport from infected areas to non infected areas internationally would prevent it from travelling there. It's not that mind blowing a concept. Whether it's a 'very nice thing to do' is a separate issue.
20  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Joe Republic on: October 15, 2014, 09:24:55 am
Almost as high as myself.
21  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Catholic church opens up - a little bit - to gay couples on: October 15, 2014, 03:52:16 am
A kinder, gentler homophobia.
22  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: People of the Republic of Atlasia v. Snowstalker on: October 14, 2014, 02:39:25 pm
I swear that I will well and truly try the matter in issue between the parties, and give a true verdict according to the law and evidence, so help me Dave.
23  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Is Homosexuality a sin? on: October 10, 2014, 01:38:58 pm
The idea that homosexual attraction is 'sexual lust' like 'any other type' begs the question; what is the other type/s? One would assume that the comparative act to a man sleeping with a man would be a man sleeping with a wo-man. One would therefore assume that the comparable act to a man sleeping with a woman is a man sleeping with a man. Therefore it would be logical, even with a conservative interpretation, to treat such matters as the same.

The problem for many Christians is that no homosexual acts can ever be moral or be removed of 'sin' by being within the context of marriage. Neither can love. So to some there is no way whatsoever that those sexual acts can ever be okay. Of course there are various degrees of disagreement over what sexual acts are okay within an opposite sex marriage; is it purely for procreation, can it be romantic, can it be carnal. Can it be be touch, and kiss, and breath and holds and heart racing? Can it be kink? We know what has been okay in the past within the context of Christian marriage and indeed is still acceptable in some circles today; marital rape for example. I make no apologies for being blunt but it is perverse to take an act of force and violence and make it and acceptable behaviour within the context of a religious marriage yet condemn even light sexual bonding, based on consent and love between two men or two women.

And this is where Christianity really struggles. Many strains evidently do not understand love as it is. Not love as they would like it to be, but as it actually happens between two people. They of do not understand where there is deep love or even where that love has receded.

When you fall in love with someone, what is it about them that you fall in love with? The answer that we should give; the ‘right’ answer is that you love them because of who they are; for their faults as well as what makes them special. That love should pay no attention to how people look, or what other people think of them. Love should be about the essence of that person and the joy that you bring each other. Sex should be secondary.

And that is a very key part of human relationships. A relationship built on love and pair bonding should be sexual, it is healthy to be sexual, but that is always secondary to love. The idea that same sex couples are somehow more carnal or experience lust over love is a complete and deliberate blindness to what people are actually experiencing.

What traditional Christian understanding of sexual love does inadvertently is be over sensitised or predisposed to the physical even when it illicits a prudish attitude to what is carnal. ‘Love can only exist in marriage; marriage is about procreation. Only one man and one woman.’ You cannot get more ‘physical’ or more base than statements such as these being rooted as they are in sex, gender and physical acts of reproduction. Love, actual love is almost secondary to sex.

When confronted with the love between two men, then that love is charged as being lesser on the basis of their physical 'incompatibility', the very fact that they have a specific sex or gender or on the basis of not being able to have children. By extension, there is an underlying assumption and an often neglected one, that the merit of a man or of a woman is in having their own children, not in being responsible for raising or supporting the children of others. In this mind-set, there is little scope for acknowledging the love of the ‘person’ as opposed to the body. Or the familial love of people who do not come from a union of those two bodies. Furthermore, amongst opposite sex couples within the traditional Christian understanding of love and marriage, the physical takes prominence over the person in matters concerning the relationship itself.  Within the context of what happens when the physical compatibility remains in that they are one man and one women perhaps with children, but the personal compatibility is breaking down, this has led to a rather unsympathetic and intrinsically unhealthy view towards separation and divorce.

I do not consider that the secular and permissive response to sex and relationships  is unhealthily concerned with matters of sex. Quite the contrary, I think those responses are broadly healthy. It is the traditional Christian view of which I would say is not fully formed; of sex, relationships, men and women that is overly concerned with the physical and the carnal even within the mandated confines of marriage.
24  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: People of the Republic of Atlasia v. Snowstalker on: October 10, 2014, 01:13:35 pm
I'll serve.
25  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: 2014 Selfie Creepfest/Post a picture of yourself thread on: October 10, 2014, 11:43:41 am
I'm a certified homosexual, but even I look more a dozen times more comfortable getting my photo taken next to showgirls.
Pages: [1] 2 3 4 5 6 ... 796


Login with username, password and session length

Logout

Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2013, Simple Machines