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76  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Cologne: Up to 1,000 men of Arab and North African origin sexually assault women on: January 06, 2016, 12:34:08 pm
The world over, men are essentially allowed to do as they wish and define social norms, while women are held to ‘standards’. This manifests itself in a variety of different ways. Issues with the harassment of women is not unique to ‘Middle Eastern migrants’; there are issues in India, very public issues in Japan and issues in some ‘machismo’ European countries. There is however a specific problem here and that is that there is a reluctance to address this issue if it’s not nativist in origin. In the UK , campaigns against domestic abuse and violence against women even with government and institutional backing are essentially blunted when trying to address these issues in relation to black and ethnic minority (BEM) communities. The same is true of campaigns against homophobia. There is a cultural and religious component to the problem that isn’t addressed through generic campaigns and outreach.

If people are coming from male dominated, segregated and sexually repressed countries there has to be an attempt at actual education. It cannot be left to the settled migrant community to take the initiative because unfortunately, you will often be faced with similar views from within, particularly when it comes to respecting women. Women are not objects, women will wear what they wish, talk with whom they wish, drink, gays will hold hands, people will kiss and show affection. How anyone dresses or acts is not an invitation. Permissiveness is permission based. There has to be punishment to protect women and education to protect everyone.
77  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump's first TV ad is done on: January 04, 2016, 05:47:56 pm
It's basically the 'Steve Holt is a bastard' vide from Arrested Development. I think that's the intent.
78  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: New year, same story: Trump roaring ahead, drawing 15.000+ crowd in MS on: January 04, 2016, 05:45:54 pm
The South should have been burned after the civil war.

What an awful thing to say.

Probably unserious, but then again left wingers do have a but of a hard on for violence against the enemies of progress (ie when it suits them).

What have left wingers got to do with afleitch?

lol afleitch literally has a right-wing anti-labour attack ad in his signature at the moment, wtf

I had to snigger at that.

The South enslaved a race of people, deliberately obfuscated when it came to introduce advances in farming to lessen the use of labour, then subjugated those people for another 100 years. It should have been burned to the ground and the land either given to the freed slaves or salted.
79  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Terrorist takeover of Federal building in Oregon on: January 03, 2016, 02:08:58 pm
The state should crush them.
80  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: New year, same story: Trump roaring ahead, drawing 15.000+ crowd in MS on: January 03, 2016, 12:28:31 pm
The South should have been burned after the civil war.
81  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Company says they'll be able to resurrect the dead in 2045... on: January 02, 2016, 05:21:00 pm
Jeb! '48
82  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Do you feel "the system" is working more or less as it should? on: January 01, 2016, 01:22:06 pm
I increasingly believe that the problem is that too many people are going to college.

Too many people who went to college decided that the only profession or vocation worth having was one tied to a college degree. They then proceeded in both business and politics, to gut and restructure industry, employment and education on that basis. So everyone got a college degree, with promises that it would mean something. Only it doesn't, you have the debt, you work to make ends meet, your degree might count for nothing in relation to the job/jobs you're actually and you're in debt.

If you're lucky, then of course you're going to think 'the system' works, of course you'll start to believe that you earned it and worked hard despite people like you, who studied as you did, who educated themselves, and are as smart as you and as in debt as you are not making it as you have done. And somehow that's their problem as you settle down to your house and your job and your family and your security.

So no. The system doesn't work.
83  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Opinion of the Episcopal Church on: December 31, 2015, 08:21:37 pm
It'd be kind of nice if that was the case. It'd really be kind of nice.

The point of saying the Creed communally, of saying or doing anything communally or collectively or en masse or by rote, is reaffirmation. Reminding oneself what one believes is useful both psychologically and symbolically, and doing this in concert with other people reinforces the sociocultural aspect of religion (which is half the point of being religious).

The Creed may be a reminder of what one believes, but it doesn't really encompass why one believes it. If anything it's the tacit acknowledgment of the congregation that 'we accord with what you (with 'you' being the body of the church or body) define as our articles of faith.' It's sort of the very first mission statement that, if you roll it back to the Roman creed is a countenance to Arianism. So for me, it's always been (not intentionally) but the congregant agreeing with the house rules if you will, rather than being a personal profession of faith.

It's ritual. And 'not being there' might be jarring to those who find comfort in that, but it seems understandably superfluous to me.
84  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Opinion of the Episcopal Church on: December 31, 2015, 06:40:42 pm
I've always found the Creed as helpful as knowing that cows go moo. As a statement of faith for the faithful it's self evident. It doesn't really need repeating at a communal level.
85  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Opinion of the Episcopal Church on: December 31, 2015, 04:39:46 pm
To elaborate, here are the reasons why I dislike the Episcopal Church:

1) Tolerance for blatant heretics and apostates. People like Bishop Spong should have been defrocked and excommunicated decades ago. I can deal with disagreements on more minor issues, but this sort of thing is non-negotiable.

2) Lawsuits against congregations attempting to leave the church.

3) They seem to be intent on abandoning the old BCP for weirder, newer stuff. I like the beauty of the old liturgy much better.

I dislike all of these things as well. The third is probably the biggest issue for me in that it was the proximate precipitating factor for why I stopped considering myself Episcopalian--the church I'd been going to for most of the past year at that point up and stopped using the Nicene Creed in its liturgy one day, and adopted a Eucharistic Prayer that was not in the BCP and was not printed in the order of service leaflet.

The horror! Cheesy

In all seriousness, a congregation is traditionally entitled to determine it's own form of service is it not?  It wasn't the case that there was 'no Eucharistic prayer', there was just a different one. Nothing was ritually affected by that. Yet that was the catalyst for you throwing the Episcopalian Church under a bus...
86  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Demographics Poll on: December 31, 2015, 04:29:21 pm
Straight white, cisgender male, Protestant, waffle-loving Republican and current college student making a nominal income through assorted small jobs.

One thing I never understood about the forum was the high percentage of gays and low percentage of women.  Usually fields with lots of gays (interior design, fashion, hair salons) have a lot of women as well.

Christ, you're ignorant. It's self imposed which makes it almost unforgivable.

The most LGBT heavy professions are managerial/professional/technical services (Blandford 2003) and are less likely to be in sales professions than heterosexuals (Klawitter 1998) More recently, gay men are found to be over-represented (Baumle 2009) in indistries such as psychologists, counsellors, special ed teachers; professions associated with helping vulnerable individuals as well as lawyers, social workers, architects, writers and most importantly (for this discussion) the computer industry. The biggest differential between gay men heterosexuals (in terms of underrepresentation) is camongst the clergy. And most importantly, there is no correlation between gay male professions and the professions of women.



Untrue.  Gay males do tend to choose occupations with a higher % of females.

http://freakonomics.com/2010/12/17/the-truth-about-gay-and-lesbian-income/

Besides, my point remains:  I was talking about fields with extremely large numbers of gay men in them.  Managerial/executive is a very large category, but I was referring to subfields in which there is a very high LGBT %.  On Atlas, it's about 50% LGBT according to some surveys, which is far higher than what it is in "managerial/professional/technical services" or "the computer industry" (and there's actually a relatively low % of Atlasians in STEM majors, by the way).  

My point was simply to explore why political maps in particular tend to attract a cohort with such a high LGBT population.

No no. You said that 'fields with lots of gays' have women in them. Not that fields with women in them had lots of gays in them. And you picked some weird 70's stereotypes as your examples. Perhaps that's how outdated your chosen literature that seems to inform you these days actually is. Your linked article isn't really a study of anything other than income. Where it does touch upon occupation, then by 'female dominated' studies don't say that these professions are 70% female or whatever. They can be less than 15-20% female, which is still higher than a 'male dominated' profession where female participation is less than 5% which is the comparator. The strongest correlation between gay male professions is with straight male professions for the same reason that the strongest correlation between black male professions is white male professions.

The most over represented two singular professions (computing and architecture) based on Census results are are not 'female dominated', neither is the least (clergy).

And that's probably the main reason where a site that focuses on analytics, and visual design through demographics etc attracts a significant number of creative, educated gay men.
87  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Demographics Poll on: December 31, 2015, 11:05:35 am
Straight white, cisgender male, Protestant, waffle-loving Republican and current college student making a nominal income through assorted small jobs.

One thing I never understood about the forum was the high percentage of gays and low percentage of women.  Usually fields with lots of gays (interior design, fashion, hair salons) have a lot of women as well.

Christ, you're ignorant. It's self imposed which makes it almost unforgivable.

The most LGBT heavy professions are managerial/professional/technical services (Blandford 2003) and are less likely to be in sales professions than heterosexuals (Klawitter 1998) More recently, gay men are found to be over-represented (Baumle 2009) in indistries such as psychologists, counsellors, special ed teachers; professions associated with helping vulnerable individuals as well as lawyers, social workers, architects, writers and most importantly (for this discussion) the computer industry. The biggest differential between gay men heterosexuals (in terms of underrepresentation) is camongst the clergy. And most importantly, there is no correlation between gay male professions and the professions of women.

88  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Urban Maps on: December 29, 2015, 12:23:23 pm


And for Shrewsbury, but by lower SOA.

London New York Paris Shrewsbury Cheesy
89  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Demographics Poll on: December 24, 2015, 06:05:45 am
White, male, gay, bachelors, $75k household income, no religion, 'Democrat'
90  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Do you celebrate Christmas? on: December 24, 2015, 06:02:03 am
I'm secretly destroying Christmas by daring to see it as a winter festival of camaraderie and giving and drinking out of a plain red coffee cup.
91  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Happy Solstice. on: December 22, 2015, 05:42:12 am
At this Juul time celebrate the return of the sun.
92  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Why did monotheism supplant polytheism so dramatically? on: December 22, 2015, 05:34:07 am
Why is monotheism assumed to equal Christianity in the three answers so far?
93  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Slovenia referendum on teh gays, Dec 20th on: December 20, 2015, 02:43:26 pm
What equal rights? Homosexuals can enter marriage union like normal people.
You are not seriously arguing that because of the fact that gay people can marry someone of a different gender, there are equal rights, are you?

As for the introducing, why so? There is no quorum - there is no implementation. Govt. don't need such result to implement any changes if they support so called "SSM" and if they wanted to do that they would introduced that earlier, especially that Slovenia now have centre-left cabinet.
I don't understand what you mean. If there are not enough "no" voters, then SSM will automatically be introduced, because parliament already passed a law to do so. This referendum was triggered by people who wanted to prevent that, but if the "no" quorum is not reached, SSM will be introduced.

1. Yes I am.
2. Didn't know, my bad.

Then you're a dumb ass.
94  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of RFayette on: December 20, 2015, 10:54:41 am
A troll. Well done all of you for beginning to become a little 'concerned' at long last despite the bleeding obvious over the past few months. Not a 'smart' poster by any means. His religious dogma is nothing but regurgitated links or other people's arguments. His political insight is not much better than that to be honest.
95  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Santa Claus is good for the atheists on: December 19, 2015, 01:44:50 pm
I was asking because ultimately, the 'Santa reveal' tends to be adult driven. Children, particularly those brought up with religious faith and particularly those who understand the 'harmony' between celebrating a religious festival and having the messenger like symbolic Santa happening at the same time may not be as forthright in 'accepting' that Santa doesn't exist, or more importantly daring to doubt, even when faced with peer pressure until such time as there is adult validation of their assumption.

One the same basis children who are brought up with faith and their parents lose it (and I can't quite put my finger on the paper about this) when they are children are not necessarily driven to 'stay as believers' (ignoring the heavily constructed born again rhetoric that you sometimes get from people who falsely recall their own past state of being), because that belief is somehow as Alcon was saying 'robust'. That belief rests on the same assumptions, and the same adult prompting at least in childhood and can fade away in exactly the same way. Therefore, as throw away as it is, it can be argued that there is a 'Santa Claus' effect in terms of adult belief systems based on psychological needs.
96  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Santa Claus is good for the atheists on: December 19, 2015, 11:46:56 am
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2) Children learn that Santa Claus, the guy who gives gifts to the children who behave well during the year, is just fiction. This is the first step to think that God, the guy who allow the entrance in the heaven for people who behave well during the life, is just fiction too.

This is a smug just-so hot take on religious psychology.

On what basis are they actually different? Seriously. On what basis are beliefs in those two omnipotent fundamentally and structurally different?
97  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What are your geographic extremes on: December 19, 2015, 05:31:58 am
North - Wick, Scotland (59 north) which is as far north as the Gulf of Alaska
South - Faro, Portugal (37 north) which is as far south as Santa Cruz, California
West - Arlington, Virginia
East - Salzburg, Austria
98  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: What is the most "European" city in the US? on: December 17, 2015, 09:03:41 am
For what it's worth, in terms of 'most American city in Europe' (in terms of looks and layout) Glasgow often gets mentioned.
99  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Let's be 100% serious here for a moment: on: December 17, 2015, 08:12:17 am
afleitch, I'm pretty sure President Trump will nuke Scotland for the SNP's disrespect though.

Hopefully hits he the Trident submarine base for the sweet, sweet irony. Again, while Trump is awful, the referendum and the whole SNP thing have been so off-putting that I kind of resent the place now, and sort of wish something bad would happen to them.

Exactly. Ugh. I hated [the Scottish Referendum] the first time around, and I hate it now. I can hardly bear to hear such outlandish fairy tales and populist "progressive" claptrap a second time. The referendum filled me with such bile and rancor that I now have a strong distaste for anything to do with Scotland. (Indeed, I just chucked a fawning book about William Wallace into the trash today.)

The again, I am someone who thinks American independence was illegal, wrong, and a Bad Idea in general, and has thought so since kindergarten (although it may have been second grade) so feel free to disregard my comments as the ramblings of a reactionary mildly detached from rational thought.

They are your missiles! We can't use them. I see lorries driving the missiles through the city in the wee small hours. If Trump wants to destroy the missiles in mid-air, thereby destroying themselves in the process then I'm all for it Cheesy

For what it's worth, despite the crap America has had to put the rest of us all through, and my American husband and I personally, with one branch of it's government in the hands of a party whose only defining ideology is to be either contrary or conspiratorial in it's outlook, I don't resent America. I'm luckily not detached from rational thought. Wink
100  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: What is the most "European" city in the US? on: December 17, 2015, 07:10:39 am
'Physically'? - DC after visiting. Architecture, planning, plus low rise buildings.
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