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76  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: Election Coverage on: August 14, 2015, 12:35:17 pm
I agree that I think it's unreasonable to force people to sign up again after they already joined, and it's not clear to me that there's any statutory basis for this.

I didn't sign it because I assumed it was for those who were now joining, given that the original sign up thread had moved down page.
77  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: Election Coverage on: August 14, 2015, 12:22:43 pm

So signing up to play the game in the first few days doesn't qualify me as a 'citizen' for the purpose of being able to actually play the game?
78  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: Election Coverage on: August 14, 2015, 12:20:09 pm
For what it's worth, I will be challenging this decision to disenfranchise me in the court we don't have yet, under the laws we haven't written on the basis of the rights we haven't yet established Wink
79  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: So. What is this all about? on: August 14, 2015, 12:14:18 pm
We're not going to add meaningless and low-activity regional governments. All they do in Atlasia is act as a boring stepping stone to higher office. Start a newspaper. Yell abuse from the gallery. Do some analysis. Become a lawyer once we've set up the courts. Try to get into Parliament next time.

I think the point is, no one has defined what everyone else is supposed to do. We have a Mock Parliament. So, if you leave everyone not in it do other things, then they really can do what on earth they want. It's South America. They could stage a coup.

Obviously, that's not what people want, but it does leave a significant number of people with not much to do.

Why wasn't interest in this game enough to confirm that those who signed up were pretty keen on actually playing a parliamentary sim, rather than 'a rest of the country' sim, which is what Atlasia essentially is.
80  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: Election Coverage on: August 14, 2015, 12:07:31 pm
Regardless, afleitch never registered in the sign-in thread, so there should only be one vote for the Free Alliance.

What sign in thread? I signed up to join in the first few days that this Mock Parliament was proposed. Did everyone need to sign up again?

I would like to assist.
81  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: 1st South American General Election - August 14th, 2015 on: August 14, 2015, 08:44:44 am
Free Alliance
82  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: So. What is this all about? on: August 14, 2015, 08:43:41 am
It's worth noting that there's a party list system of elections where each person get's one vote. Assuming people will vote for their own parties, the political makeup of the parliament will end up reflecting the political makeup of registered voters who turnout to vote. So therefore, what's the point of having the elections Cheesy
83  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: So. What is this all about? on: August 14, 2015, 04:29:50 am
Thanks for the explanation Smiley

The problem I have is that it was decided what the game would be, based on a provisional parliament made up of x number of players based solely on the order in which they joined. So they essentially got to decide what the game was going to be. It’s not surprising that an exclusive group ended up designing an exclusive parliament! I don’t mean you’ve done a ‘bad job’, quite the contrary but you can see why it might raise a few eyebrows.

You said that the ‘parliament should be a cluster of active schemers.’ I don’t disagree, but what makes you think those that have signed on here aren’t active schemers? Why else would they have signed up?

So as I mentioned before; you’ve stripped the game of most offices. You’ve established it so that ‘the most committed players lead the narrative’. What is everyone else supposed to do if you’ve left them nothing to do?

If you’ve left them nothing to do, and as Sjoyce says hope that there will be newspapers, pressure groups then you’ll find everyone else essentially ‘rabble rousing’ and doing nothing else. Those in the parliament can essentially ignore that, as there’s no established mechanism for what everyone else does impacting on the parliament. You’re re-creating a situation like Atlasia where a huge proportion of participants are outside of the game. Yet unlike Atlasia there’s not really much else for them to do as of yet. If you’re running a parliament sim and not a government/elections sim, I think you need to be a lot broader than that.

I think you already have all your parliamentarians already. Parliaments are supposed to have lazy bastards as well as active schemers. It makes sense at least to start out, in having a universal parliament. Then you can cut it back if it grows too large and once everyone gets used to it.
84  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: Office of RG Türkisblau on: August 13, 2015, 04:23:24 pm
The provisional Free Alliance list is as follows:

1. Afleitch
2. Ilikeverin
85  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: Free Alliance/Alianza Libre on: August 13, 2015, 04:21:43 pm
Sounds like an excellent name.  I'm a glad to be a part of the Vrije Alliantie.

If we wish to be a part of the coming election, you'll need to post a party list here: http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=216218.25

Do you want on the list Smiley
86  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: National Party of Ecuador on: August 13, 2015, 02:41:21 pm
Then we need a name change. I'll call it the 'Free Alliance' for now, given that's the name of the grouping in the European Parliament for separatist parties.
87  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: National Party of Ecuador on: August 13, 2015, 01:33:55 pm
Is this party open to non-Ecuadorians?  The people of Suriname would certainly be in favor of such federalism, to preserve our unique (linguistic and otherwise) heritage.

Absolutely Smiley
88  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Labour Party leadership election 2015 on: August 13, 2015, 12:14:53 pm
Latest ICM poll has Tories on 40 and Labour on 31. That's a bigger gap than the general election.

But not bad given that Labour have been firing into their own faces for the past three months.
89  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / So. What is this all about? on: August 13, 2015, 11:38:55 am
I don't mean to be a big puffy rain cloud, and I signed up to this in the first week, but what actually isthis? I am genuinely confused as to what this is supposed to be.

Is this an election sim with a small number of participants? If it is, and you're outside of parliament, what are you to do with your time here? Atlasia was an election sim with about a million posts you could run for or be nominated into. Which was a good thing, in it's way. A game with one single body and a smaller number of people signed onto it might elicit boredom after a very short while

Is this a parliament sim? If it is, you already have your political makeup in registered voters without the need for formal elections (makeup shifts as parties shift, people leave, people join etc) You can have a game that's a giant parliament and actually is more challenging because you have a high number of participants to get to vote a certain way. Anyone not playing in parliament can essentially be part of the government in other ways, or a civil service.

I'm confused as to what the goal is. I had assumed it was to be a parliament sim so my apologies if it's moved in another way through consensus.
90  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: National Party of Ecuador on: August 13, 2015, 11:22:04 am
MANIFESTO LAUNCH.

It is the belief of the Ecuadorian National Party, that the loss of our sovereignty because of the shameful failings of those who call themselves 'Americans' is one of the greatest acts of treachery against the democratic system.

The ENP is a centre left party that seeks and will demand full federalism within this new national experiment for all former nations and subnational entities.

We will ensure that the best of what was left to us by the former glorious nations of South America is taken forward and that the excesses of the new conquistadors are left behind in the wasteland where they belong.
91  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: Morton House Polling: General Election on: August 13, 2015, 11:18:34 am
Evidently, you want to vote for the Ecuadorian National Party Cheesy
92  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Labour Party leadership election 2015 on: August 12, 2015, 04:41:38 pm
I'm sure it is very painful for Mr Tony to see so many in his Party hate him so much (and I sympathise, I really do), but his interventions are not helpful.

Do you think it's safe to say that, with respect to each of their parties at similar points in their history, Blair might just might be on a 'liability par' with Thatcher?

Labour seem to be wanting that elusive cocktail of 1997-2007 (without the sociopath) yet perhaps don't grasp that this was a product of it's times and a product of the complete trashing of the Conservative brand (parties ebb and flow, but none have been trashed internally and externally before...though the Lib Dems have now reached that nadir).

Labour's hope may be in the 'missing millions'. The steep dive in turnout in 2001, which has never been given the proper analysis it deserves and is one of the damning legacies of what Blairism actually made people feel may be a better hope for Labour fortunes than going after the soft vote (which might not actually be nor have ever been that soft) of those that delivered them victory under Blair. Why think the electorate, which includes non voters actually want Burnham or Cooper over say Corbyn? Why make such broad assumptions about where Labour can get the votes to win? It's astounding. These sorts of interventions as you say don't help. They are coming from people who quite frankly, need to shut up at this moment in the party political process.

And to be so frightened of the new party members too, as if they are alien. Maybe they are. Maybe they aren't as docile, or complicit as Labour's centralising tendencies would like them to be. It's unlikely that anyone will come close to Miliband's general sh**teability, so there's no risk in offering something different.

I actually want Corybn to win. Not to destroy the party, which he won't even come close to doing, but to actually give it focus. Once you focus, others will listen.
93  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Atlas vs. AAD? on: August 12, 2015, 10:03:20 am
I'm still waiting for the 'higher quality' discussion I was promised on AAD. I don't see a huge difference.
94  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: The Big City Areas vs The Rest of the State: Pennsylvania on: August 12, 2015, 05:52:13 am
Write in: New York flight areas (Northampton/Monroe/Pike)
95  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: UK General Discussion: Cameron 2.0 on: August 11, 2015, 05:57:05 am
Scotland's soil and weather is only suitable to grow crops that have already been bred to be 'hardy' enough to actually grow here in the first instance. Most commercial GM crops (maize, oilseed rape etc) aren't grown in any great measure anyway. The ban isn't against the research, just growing them commercially. There's nothing gained or lost through GM (and I say that as a supporter) in Scotland so there's no damage in taking what is rightly seen as a 'populist' measure against it.
96  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Labour Party leadership election 2015 on: August 11, 2015, 05:35:21 am
The poll also shows that Corbyn ' strength is uniform across the membership. It's not built apron the 'ten bob' members that have recently joined.
97  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Confession Booth: Post something very personal about yourself on: August 10, 2015, 05:24:13 pm
I went to a private school. It was what it was. Nothing to gloat or get hung up over in equal measure. Though it did permanently affect my accent which feeds back into the whole 'you must have went to school x' thing.
98  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Scottish Parliament election - 2016 on: August 10, 2015, 05:51:23 am
TNS (Constituency)

SNP 62%
LAB 20%
CON 12%
LIB 3%
99  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Athletes and Religion: When Faith Is Not Enough on: August 09, 2015, 07:36:17 am
Of of the greats in soccer football, Johan Cruyff famously said 'I'm not religious. In Spain all 22 players make the sign of the cross before they enter the pitch. If it works all matches must therefore end in a draw.'

Sport is a battle with rules. Like war, there's always been an element of evoking superstition. I think it is, as the article states a social construct more than anything. Though I do note particularly in US sports (which you all care too much about anyway) in many teams it's more than a construct; it's almost a requirement.
100  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: UK General Discussion: Cameron 2.0 on: August 08, 2015, 03:41:55 pm
If any of those accusations are deemed true, then the scandal is truly massive; it really does seem that Savile opened the floodgates and a lot of birds are coming home to roost.

There's increasing evidence that there isn't anything in this one.
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