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76  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Do you prefer oceans or lakes? on: July 19, 2014, 05:49:29 pm
Sea lochs. Best of both worlds.
77  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Oklahoma's domino has fallen on: July 19, 2014, 04:36:59 pm
Marriage equality strengthens families.  There are thousands upon thousands of abandoned children created from failed heterosexual relationships, who are now finding homes with dual-income couples who have only recently been able to prove to a court their suitability as adoptive parents.

And that doesn't even take into account the gay couples who create life via biological means.  (e.g. surrogate mothers, sperm donors, etc.)

And that is the key. All you need to do to be endowed with legal rights over a child instantanously is to have sex. That is it. And we have a society in which children's rights as a concept appear to be subservient at all times to the whims of the parent. The idea that children have rights independent of and at times contrary to their own parents is an enigma to some people. The rights of children are often not served in the heterosexual relationship, whether fleeting or embedded, that brought them into the world and the idea that the generations of heterosexual, married relationships that form and shatter and reform and have f-cked up so many people are automatically better for a child than another mother and father, or two fathers, or two mothers, or the aunt or the grandparent is a disgrace.

It is the job of the government and society to support all families that support each other and provide love and support for children whether they be their own or someone elses. The 'nuclear family' closes off this difference by insinuating other arrangements are lesser or not appropriate. It is this compact, self serving and often patriarical unit that has also led to the disconnect that has shattered what the 'family' used to be; cutting off the extended family as care givers and subjecting the elderly to being removed from the family care unit altogether when they are too old or too difficult to handle.
78  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK General Election 2015 on: July 19, 2014, 03:57:38 pm
Making certain assumptions about the results in Norn Iron (five Sinn Fťin MPs who don't vote at Westminster and three SDLP MPs and one Sylvia Hermon who will probably support Labour) Labour need 319 seats to control the Commons.  With 315 they could try to do confidence and supply deals with Plaid and the SNP and form a minority government.  It would be a surprise for it to last a full parliament, though.

I also don't expect the Lib Dems to go as low as 11 seats, but if they did I think it would be very hard to keep them in office.

Depending on the referendum and its aftermath, a deal with the Nats could be playing with fire. Who knows what they'll demand?

If No wins, you do realise there will be a large camp of recent Yes voters of all stripes that will want their votes to go somewhere? Party loyalty has essentially disintigrated anyway. I wouldn't be suprised if the SNP soak that up somewhat.
79  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Oklahoma's domino has fallen on: July 19, 2014, 03:04:24 pm
The societal demand that those who had the sex to have the children should raise them is a very recent one. All humans, sociopaths aside, have the ability to be care givers. It is often the parents or their extended family but that should never be exclusive. The idea of the 'nuclear family' while thankfully fleeting in practice is very much contrary to the traditional of shared care giving, yet people still hold it as an ideal. It's a damaging idea as it means that a failing marriage more disproportionately affect children than it otherwise would do where care giving is shared.
80  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Ask Rockingham on: July 19, 2014, 02:41:28 pm
Their is a disturbing paucity of questions in this thread. ASK AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Please.
Not a question. A question normally has this thing known as a question mark at the end, donchaknow. Example:

"What are the core principles upon which you base your religious faith?"

My name is not Don Chaknow
Close. All you needed to do was place the "is" at the start, and a question mark at the end. Keep trying.

Why would I ask someone without any core principles what his core principles are? That would just be stupid now.
A QUESTION! I've never been so happy to see a question! SmileySmileySmileySmileySmileySmiley

Two things:
1)I do have core principles
2)Even if I didn't, it can still be intellectually stimulating to debate with someone who doesn't sincerely hold the positions he claims to hold. This is after all the premise of formal off-line debate.

But how can I debate with someone who has had a variety of different guises? On what basis can I assume you are being either truthful or serious? Given that you think I don't have a right to be myself (at least so you claim) then why should I devote you any of my time?
81  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Ask Rockingham on: July 19, 2014, 02:30:34 pm
Their is a disturbing paucity of questions in this thread. ASK AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Please.
Not a question. A question normally has this thing known as a question mark at the end, donchaknow. Example:

"What are the core principles upon which you base your religious faith?"

My name is not Don Chaknow
Close. All you needed to do was place the "is" at the start, and a question mark at the end. Keep trying.

Why would I ask someone without any core principles what his core principles are? That would just be stupid now.
82  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Ask Rockingham on: July 19, 2014, 02:21:18 pm
Their is a disturbing paucity of questions in this thread. ASK AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Please.
Not a question. A question normally has this thing known as a question mark at the end, donchaknow. Example:

"What are the core principles upon which you base your religious faith?"

My name is not Don Chaknow
83  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Ask Rockingham on: July 19, 2014, 02:13:50 pm
Their is a disturbing paucity of questions in this thread. ASK AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Please.
84  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Ask Rockingham on: July 19, 2014, 02:03:25 pm
What persona are you going to adopt this time? Since 2010 you've had about four.
85  General Politics / Book Reviews and Discussion / Re: What Book Are You Currently Reading? on: July 19, 2014, 11:54:10 am
86  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Mandatory vacation pay on: July 19, 2014, 11:51:25 am
I have 31 paid days plus 8 paid public holidays.

Communist!

Michael still gets suprised. His job allowed him to go home when he was sick and paid him. It blew his mind.
87  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Mandatory vacation pay on: July 19, 2014, 11:18:37 am
I have 31 paid days plus 8 paid public holidays.
88  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Ask HockeyDude! on: July 18, 2014, 05:56:27 pm
Given that Ratzinger is a wretched human being if he had actual 'Nazi ties', he'd have context that he doesn't deserve Smiley
89  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Anti-Mormon bigotry on the Atlas on: July 18, 2014, 11:54:23 am
BRTD, the fact that you view religion as more closely analogous to political opinion than to race or gender explains a lot about the way you see the world. I don't mean that in an entirely bad way. I suppose it was already pretty easy to tell that this was the case if one sat down and thought about your views, but this is the first time to my knowledge you've been so explicit in stating it.

It's consistent I would say to view religious belief as analogous to politicical/philosophical belief for the same reason it is inconsistent to view religious superstition as different, or hold it to a higher regard to non religious superstition, on an evidential basis. That is why I noted upthread that if people were consistent about that, then the thread on astrology is an exercise not in the rightful dismissal of a belief system without evidence but one attempting to deliberately 'offend' people who believe in astrology.
90  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Anti-Mormon bigotry on the Atlas on: July 18, 2014, 10:43:54 am
Ah but I think there's a difference between mocking the beliefs a person holds and mocking the person himself.

I think Mormon beliefs are extremely questionable, but I don't think that's a good reason to feel negatively about individual Mormons.

Although I would also question how much of a choice actually is involved in religion. Sure, those that are wealthy and relatively well educated make a concious choice whether to follow a religion (like me) or not to (like you), but I'm not sure one can go to a rural town in Oklahoma and say everyone made a concious decision.

Although it's not a biological reality in the sense sexuality is, it's still a central part of one's identity.


I think itís highly debatable to suggest, as you say that if you mock the beliefs a person holds, you are not by extension mocking the person. Some take that better than others of course Cheesy

In terms of religion not necessarily being a conscious decision then of course, there is an element of that person being Ďreligion xí because parents were also x and society is generally x. So when the person goes on a spiritual quest, nine times out of ten they land up in Ďxí anyway because itís what they have internalised. Indeed, we are tuned to be suspect of people who donít do that and go off to become a white Muslim in Kentucky or declare that everyone else has got religion wrong and itís something brand new. So you cannot say everyone in rural Oklahoma made a conscious decision about being a Christian nor can you say that they made a conscious decision in thinking that Arabs are a bit weird because they have Ďrags on their headsí and write funny or that Democrats are communists (and Iím deliberately playing to stereotypes here) But they are still beliefs. That's all they are. You could argue that they are still part of someoneís identity, but simply having an identity formed by belief, is not cause to have that part of your identity that isnít an immutable characteristic, protected from negative views towards it. Immutable characteristics are 'true', beliefs are not always.
91  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Anti-Mormon bigotry on the Atlas on: July 18, 2014, 10:00:55 am
What does it matter whether one is something by choice or not?

Respect should be given to all human beings, and absent doing something horrible that has a negative effect on others, this includes all personal traits. If a gay, black, Republican, cross-dressing man decides he wants to be Mormon, more power to him.

If he's gay, black and a cross-dresser and he wants to be a Mormon he'll probably need it.

You may have a point there.... Smiley

But my point was the matter of choice always gets brought into these debates, particularly regarding homosexuality. Obviously I don't think there's any choice involved, but even if there were, it wouldn't change my opinions on LGBT rights.



Choice rarely gets brought into these debates when it concerns religion.  We seem to give religious belief a privilege status over all other personal beliefs and ideologies (including, at times, lack of religious belief), whether itís someoneís politics, or someoneís philosophy. At the end of it all, religious belief is a choice belief; it is not an inherent characteristic and yet at times it is elevated even above that. There should never be a situation where religious preference trumps the rights of women, yet it constantly happens and tacit excuses are often made.

I think you have the right to mock the beliefs of others, even if as a person you and I would refrain from doing so,  because the beliefs of others are not immutable. If it isnít a right, then this thread; http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=195697.0, is an exercise in 'offending' people who believe in astrology (which of course, it isnít)
92  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Anti-Mormon bigotry on the Atlas on: July 18, 2014, 09:24:54 am
What does it matter whether one is something by choice or not?

Respect should be given to all human beings, and absent doing something horrible that has a negative effect on others, this includes all personal traits. If a gay, black, Republican, cross-dressing man decides he wants to be Mormon, more power to him.

If he's gay, black and a cross-dresser and he wants to be a Mormon he'll probably need it.
93  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Which poster is closest to you ideologically? on: July 17, 2014, 04:17:33 pm
All the cool ones.
94  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: How can one be a Liberal Christian? on: July 17, 2014, 02:44:04 pm
Yeah, I have to say that choosing a religious affiliation on the basis of its compatibility with one's pre-existing political views strikes me as a pretty strange attitude. But then again, I have always considered that religion and politics shouldn't interact at all, so maybe I can't really comment on it.

I think subconsciously a lot of people do that. It's not just limited to people with liberal ideologies choosing liberal churches.
95  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Scottish Independence Referendum - 2014 on: July 17, 2014, 07:35:23 am
Peter Kilfoyle comes out for independence.
96  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Which Languages Do You Have Knowledge Of on: July 17, 2014, 05:48:00 am
English
Old Scots
Conversational French and Italian
Smattering of Gaelic
97  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Astrology fs or hs? on: July 17, 2014, 02:50:35 am
It's a lie, but it's a fun lie at times.

'Lie' implies intent. The people who first developed astrology genuinely had no better way to understand the relevant subjects, and the people who take it seriously now are generally more possessed of questionable judgment or taste than anything else.

Wink
98  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: You are all missing the point of "Ask" threads. on: July 16, 2014, 03:26:47 pm
I was enjoying mine, until people started getting ironic about it.
99  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Ask Hashemite on: July 16, 2014, 10:50:37 am
If you're happy and you know it and you really want to show it, do you clap your hands, stamp your feet, nod your head or do all three? Maps if possible.
100  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Conservative Republicans on: July 16, 2014, 04:59:04 am
The Republican Party's ideology is now indeterminate from most conspiracy theorists.
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