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76  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Petition to ban CountryClassSF on: June 29, 2015, 08:41:27 am
Can we have some words from the mods on this?



CCSF has posted here since January 2013. His post history suggests that for most of this period, after some initial activity when he joined, he tended to post on LGBT themed threads and then drop away again. His activity has recently been greater.

There’s been quite a lot of goings on since then, but here’s where we stand now. He claims to be openly gay. That’s the key here; he claims to be openly gay, but feels that he is victimised by the LGBT community on matters where they think they should have rights and he thinks they should not. Whether he is, or isn’t gay is of no matter and indeed would not matter if he didn’t post under exactly the same username on Free Republic where he is not openly gay and say this:


In this post from FreeRepublic, CountyClassSF said this

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3304515/posts?page=20#20

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Homofascist Gay Gestapo will take away OUR marriages next

That doesn't seem like something a gay person would say.


Using that language and indeed talking about taking ‘OUR marriages’ (as in opposite sex marriages) doesn’t indeed seem like something a gay person would say. When I have asked him why he is not ‘out’ on Free Republic, he claims he would be banned.

So he is either gay and pretending to be straight on Free Republic or he’s straight and pretending to be gay on Atlas Forum. Or basically, screwing with both forums. In either venue, he’s homophobic. On here, he is disruptive and to me that’s what matters.

The issue was raised in the Mod Cave a year ago when ‘brah’ noticed he kept referring to gays in the third person on FP (‘the degenerates’ etc) and we took that up. But it didn’t go anywhere. It’s now been raised again and put to a vote. We’ve had 10 votes for some sort of ban (permanent, year, three month) to 5 for No ban (2 other). He currently sits at 93 points in infractions.

I am not going to say who is in support of what. I have made the case against him to the point at which I’ve nothing left to say.

For a poster on 93 points, with over half the mods voting for some sort of a ban and three petitions started by Forum members on this board, he’s never even been cautioned. And that is quite astounding. It is, in my opinion clear that he is trolling, but many people equate trolling with naughty words, bad links, or spam attacks. Trolling at such a level, where every subject is turned neatly around to be about him and his ‘issues’ which, based on the other information we have on him may in fact just be a troll pretending to be gay who is deliberately trying to de-rail LGBT topics so that they cannot be discussed without going off in a tangent. To me that is the very definition of a troll. However CCSF has been very successful in making people sympathise with his ‘I’m really gay and it’s hard amongst the other gays, why don’t you believe me?’ schtick. Which again, would be fine. If he didn’t act completely differently on the only other forum where he has an online presence!
77  Forum Community / Forum Community / Taking a break. on: June 28, 2015, 06:32:33 pm
I'm pretty much done dealing with inaction over one of the most obvious trolls we've ever had who won't stop PMing me and another poster's transphobia effectively being shrugged off.

For the moment, I'm done having to wade through a pity party in every thread. You've a right to fire away at a mod but I do care about this place and want discussion to be seamless and on track.

I've been bested and beaten down by a Free Republic troll and the fact I've given up sickens me.
78  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Petition to ban CountryClassSF on: June 28, 2015, 06:12:19 pm
I'm trying to get something done. But it's unlikely action will be taken.
79  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Petition to ban CountryClassSF on: June 28, 2015, 03:35:59 pm
Out of fear of the same type of villification that you are giving to me, I do not discuss my opinions on the gay marriage issue with gay people. Simply announcing that I am involved in conservative activism is enough to be villified.

Why is villification against me OK, but objecting to SSM not? Tolerance has to be a two way street.

I don't villify you. You villify yourself every day. Which is immensely sad. If I actually ever met you, I'd hug you.
80  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Petition to ban CountryClassSF on: June 28, 2015, 03:26:02 pm


Why lash out at people who are happy?  Why call them Homofascist? Why imitate vile homophobes and use their language? No one is going to date you or support you; it's like a self loathing jew who is anti semitic wondering why a jew won't date them.

I'd ask them, why lash out at people because they advocate for conservative causes? That's what I'm saying, my being gay has caused me personal pain.  Naysayers might want to do an experiment sometime on what happens when you reveal your conservative political affiliation to gays.

I think I said before, but maybe didn't explicitly say, that I don't reveal my opinions on SSM to my gay friends, or to dates.  Jews by nature cannot be anti-semitic because your religious faith is chosen, as opposed to sexuality, which is not.  I see nothing abnormal about disliking what has caused me personal grief.  If judaism caused  personal grief, they can just leave the faith - sexuality, one doesn't have that luxury

You call gay people and causes 'homofascists' and the 'gestapo'.

You do realise, gay people have a rightnot to like you? The simple fact is, you're not happy, so you don't want anyone else to be. Yet when people call you out on that, you whine and call them 'intolerant'. You wonder why when you sh-t on peoples choices; or to be personal for a second, my happiness, my husband, our family, our friends, our neighbours that people don't want to be associated with you? But then you run along to another forum, which would ban you for being gay (and probably thinks you're more of a faggot for being so goddam gutless about it) and then spew absolute filth?

Be a man and actually take control of your waste of a life.
81  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Petition to ban CountryClassSF on: June 28, 2015, 03:12:57 pm

You're still here aren't you? After what, a year. We mustn't be that extreme...

What is it that you think the 40% lgbt posters on here need you to enlighten them on? What wisdom do you bring?

Two and a half. I'm talking about the mob of people who obviously cannot handle disagreement on social issues, and are quick to say things like "I'm hijacking a thread" because I state an opinion and then 40 people start attacking me, and I dare to respond to a few.  Things like that. That's what I think is unreasonable.

So what I'm saying is, those people, would prefer this forum become DU.

I don't know the 40% of people and I'm not a preacher.  I would advise particularly gay men, that their superficiality and image focused mentality causes pain to others.  

When otherwise nice dates end when they find out you're a Republican activist. Just a random example.  I guess it doesn't "get better" for me huh? -- when you have to hide who you are within that community, just to maintain friendships at a minimum.

When one gets attacked and maligned for not wishing to participate in Pride, for starters. Maybe it doesn't get better for that person.

Maybe it doesn't get better for me, for when I picked up my laundry Friday evening at gay owned laundromat I've been going to for a decade, and answered "I'm doing okay, thanks" to a "How are you?" question, and the response is "How can you not be ecstatic after today? I dont know anyone who's not celebrating right now!" (Not to mention I just got over the worst bronchitis of my life).  Doesn't get better.

Why lash out at people who are happy?  Why call them Homofascist? Why imitate vile homophobes and use their language? No one is going to date you or support you; it's like a self loathing jew who is anti semitic wondering why a jew won't date them.
82  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Petition to ban CountryClassSF on: June 28, 2015, 02:34:04 pm


Then why aren't you out on Free Republic? You call us intolerant. If the company you keep there are the 'real' tolerant people they surely won't mind.

Because you know I would be zotted from FR if I mentioned that I was gay there.  It's the same mentality by some here, if someone presents an opinion that others derive as "Extreme," they must be a troll. Many would prefer this forum just be a satellite of DU--or at minimum, the "socially liberal underground."

You're still here aren't you? After what, a year. We mustn't be that extreme...

What is it that you think the 40% lgbt posters on here need you to enlighten them on? What wisdom do you bring?
83  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Petition to ban CountryClassSF on: June 28, 2015, 02:23:12 pm

Second question. Do you say these things on Freep so they don't suspect you are gay?

Who knew what other people post on a completely different forum was so important?

 Debate is okay, you know.

FR would have no reason to suspect I'm gay.

Liberals simply choose to end debate by silencing their opposition - just like Alinsky taught.

Then why aren't you out on Free Republic? You call us intolerant. If the company you keep there are the 'real' tolerant people they surely won't mind.
84  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Petition to ban CountryClassSF on: June 28, 2015, 02:13:21 pm

Do you think it respectful to use that language given the Gestapo actually rounded up Homosexuals and suspected Homosexuals into camps and ovens?

Considering the tactics used are fairly similar, such as shutting down businesses that do not support the agenda, intimidating people into submission/silence, that is what happened in the Weimar Republic prior to the Third.

No. They are not similar. Not in a million years.

Second question. Do you say these things on Freep so they don't suspect you are gay?
85  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Petition to ban CountryClassSF on: June 28, 2015, 02:03:59 pm


Why am I the Gestapo? Why am I a fascist? Please explain.

I didn't call you either of those things. The term Gay Gestapo was coined by lesbian conservative Tammy Bruce - there's a clear distinction between that and every gay person being labeled that

Do you think it respectful to use that language given the Gestapo actually rounded up Homosexuals and suspected Homosexuals into camps and ovens?
86  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Petition to ban CountryClassSF on: June 28, 2015, 01:56:14 pm
I'd say you're trolling Free Republic if you're needing to go through discussions on other forums to argue for my banning here.

I've highlighted my posts on FR supporting conservative gays in other threads on here, since many seem obsessed with FR. Interesting how you didn't post those since you had enough time on your hands to search for posts in a different forum.

Why am I the Gestapo? Why am I a fascist? Please explain.
87  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Should churches that don't perform gay marriages lose their tax-exempt status? on: June 28, 2015, 06:42:57 am
They shouldn't have tax exempt status.

However I have a feeling that people (even young evangelicals) will eventually walk with their feet in the next ten years or so if an LGBT church member is refused marriage within their shared church.
88  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Breaking: Supreme Court rules SSM a legal right on: June 28, 2015, 06:40:14 am
CCSF, have you ever considered getting on the "gay to straight conversion" speaking circuit?  You might find it to be a lucrative venture, and you seem to have the skillset for it.

I don't believe in conversion being a possibility - but if I could, I would

I just can't believe you are actually gay. Like, have you ever had a gay experience? I assume not because I doubt you'd want to change after.
Not all people who have been subjected to useless conversion therapy were forced to by others.

Not directly, but being in a bad situation socially, communally or religiously can feck people up and make them hate themselves.
89  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What poster has been here the longest on: June 28, 2015, 04:02:11 am
Gustaf and I joined the same day; 25 November 2003
90  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Are you LGBT? on: June 28, 2015, 03:33:11 am
40% of this forum vs 2% of society, thats a very telling statistic

It's also why people don't like your shtick. Because 40% live a different 'gay lifestyle' from the one you imagine we all do.
91  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Worst Pixar movie on: June 27, 2015, 02:52:40 pm
Cars 2.
92  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: FF takes down SC Confederate flag on her own on: June 27, 2015, 01:04:15 pm
Good for her Smiley
93  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Breaking: Supreme Court rules SSM a legal right on: June 26, 2015, 05:41:35 pm
Most of these links aren't really helping.
94  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Breaking: Supreme Court rules SSM a legal right on: June 26, 2015, 05:05:43 pm

You're asking me to prove that I am gay? What would you like me to do exactly?


Out yourself on Free Republic.
95  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Breaking: Supreme Court rules SSM a legal right on: June 26, 2015, 04:57:42 pm
Rep. Steve King goes bonkers, advocates for an abolition of civil marriage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6hGMLPmX-I

This is a moderate-conservative compromise. What would be the problem with leaving marriage to someone's personal religious institution and still recognizing relationships as equal, civilly in the eyes of the law? Why does the term marriage need to be there?

Why deny marriage to non-religious people?
96  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Breaking: Supreme Court rules SSM a legal right on: June 26, 2015, 04:52:40 pm

Yes, I think that anyone would have to concede that there are LGBTs willing to pick this fight.  As uncomfortable as it is to admit, there are elements of the pro-LGBT community in the United States that see organized religion and religious expression an "enemy" to their cause.  


I know how you feel. We're the new 'uppity negroes'
97  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: What will be the next big social issue? on: June 26, 2015, 04:48:28 pm
Trans issues. They are being set up to fill the negro, irish, women, feminist, single mother, teenage deliquent, gay shaped hole in the religious right.
98  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Breaking: Supreme Court rules SSM a legal right on: June 26, 2015, 03:24:34 pm
Not so fast kids. Two of your side should've had to recuse. Traditional Marriage and the rights of the states win 4-3

Shouldn't some of your side have had to recuse too in that case?
99  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: What about "death"? on: June 26, 2015, 02:01:55 pm
he elements, the molecules that make up our bodies have been around for eons.  A fairly large number of the atoms and molecular structures making up my body have been components of the bodies of many living beings before me.  They recycle through the environment as the result of various kinds of transport, consumption, absorption and reabsorption, ect.  When I die, in one way or another, many of these atoms and molecules will help to constitute the bodies of new living beings in future generations. 

That's where I find comfort through death. My body will breakdown and provide food for plants an animals, just as I ate them. We all share the same base atoms as things living and non living in this planet, in this solar system and even with the sun. And the sun is here because other stars died. That's where beauty, for me lies (if I can 'worship' anything in any meaningful sense, it's the sun).

It's aesthetic, poetic and in many ways 'just', but it's scientific too. And I am fine with that. I have no right to wish to escape that, or ascend it. I'm just a human. We only think of ourselves as special; the universe does not.
100  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Breaking: Supreme Court rules SSM a legal right on: June 26, 2015, 11:59:56 am
I encourage everyone to read Scalia's dissent. Hilarious stuff.

Yes, as I said before it's absolutely brilliant, even if you don't agree with it.

But that's that, I guess. Given a choice, I'd far rather have a ban on divorce than a ban on same-sex marriage, anyway. Cheers to the gays.

Yey! Physically and sexually abused women will be forever stuck with their abusive husbands! Loveless family units will continue! Children will just love it!
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