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76  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Is the death penalty justice or revenge? on: July 26, 2014, 09:38:55 am
No act so absolute as killing could ever be called justice.
77  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Arizona execution lasts almost 2 hours on: July 25, 2014, 02:23:14 pm
Ernest trying really hard to keep his 'KILL 'EM ALL!' mentality from fully breaking free Cheesy

Well, if we are going to have capital punishment, it does need to be applied more broadly and more proudly than it is.  As we currently have it, it is more a lottery for unlucky poors rather than a useful part of the criminal justice system.

By 'we' of course you mean the USA. Which seems to buddy up with the Islamic world on that one.
78  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Arizona execution lasts almost 2 hours on: July 25, 2014, 08:18:12 am
Ernest trying really hard to keep his 'KILL 'EM ALL!' mentality from fully breaking free Cheesy
79  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: UK General Discussion on: July 25, 2014, 08:13:43 am
What a stramash over the Red Arrows.
80  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK General Election 2015 on: July 25, 2014, 06:39:06 am
The best evidence that David Miliband would have been a poor leader is the fact that he failed to win the leadership.

Well he sort of did. In any other system he would have Wink
81  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Sister cities on: July 25, 2014, 06:33:50 am
Glasgow and Seattle are weather twins Smiley
82  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Best German-speaking country on: July 24, 2014, 10:19:26 am
Write in: Eupen-Malmedy
83  General Politics / Book Reviews and Discussion / Re: What Book Are You Currently Reading? on: July 23, 2014, 06:34:31 am
Socialist Realism: An Impossible Aesthetic.

Yey! Finally a brainy book mentioned on here that I've read. Though it was ten years ago.

I have a soft spot for Socialist-Realism, though artistically it was horribly romantic (which I'm not fond of) but architecturally could be functional (which I do like). I also like Brutalism so whatever...
84  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Anime on: July 23, 2014, 06:27:09 am
Like any art form it has it's good and it's not so good. I have no real time for series though, not since I was 16 or so. I really enjoyed the anime version of The Girl Who Leapt Through Time which I watched recently but other than that, it's not something I tend to follow anymore.

I was raised however, being the Eurotrash child of a certain age that I am, on 80's French-Japanese Nippon Animation (?) which might be unwatchable now, but I don't dare to check!
85  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Dana Rohrbacher tackles the real issues on: July 23, 2014, 06:19:28 am
I thought Dana Rohrbacher was a woman.

Dana Milbank is a man too.

As is Dana Carvey. Though I'm probably showing my age there somewhat.
86  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Happy Birthday Franzl! on: July 22, 2014, 02:50:55 pm
Hooray Cheesy
87  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Oklahoma's domino has fallen on: July 22, 2014, 08:10:39 am
Also, as you know I'm not usually prone to "checkmate, lieberals"-type statements, but what about that whole "being tolerant of different lifestyles and not being too quick to judge them" thing? This seems particularly relevant considering what this thread is originally about.

For what it’s worth my original comment on celibacy (which seems to have grown arms and legs since I last checked in) was a rebuttal of the argument (in case it arose from our latest troll) that celibacy should be the route taken by people with non-heterosexual sexualities. Arrangements like that are not psychologically healthy, laced as they often are, with religious connotation and expectation. Personal celibacy is one thing; people drift in and out of periods of sexual activity all the time, but celibacy because ‘it’s what god wants me to do because I am not a married heterosexual’ is another.
88  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Which of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World is your favorite? on: July 22, 2014, 06:09:05 am
Colossus of Rhodes. But a shout out goes to the Great Pyramid; simply because it is still there.
89  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone II - Less Boring, More Whoring on: July 22, 2014, 02:52:21 am
Life's not so great right now.

Sorry to hear that. What is troubling you?

I intend to take a class next semester that master's students have to specifically ask the instructor to get into because it's intended for doctoral students. I sent her an email on Saturday and haven't heard back from her and I'm getting kind of nervous about it. I'm also a little lonely and bored, yesterday I stubbed my toe badly while hiking, I have a close friend who I'm really missing lately because I was supposed to see her soon but she turned out not to be able to make it, and getting into classical music again is making me feel bad about myself for not sticking with my piano practice when I was younger.

The first is out of your hands. The stubbed toe is what you get when you go hiking; consider it a bit of natures revenge against your foot Wink Expect many more because the alternative is not going hiking at all, and that sucks. You'll see your friend again and lastly, I know the feeling. I wish I'd stuck to the clarinet and given that Mozart's Clarinet Concerto is one of my favourite pieces of music for that reason, there's a tinge of sadness. But music is made for people, and those who play do everyone else who can't a great service.
90  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Oklahoma's domino has fallen on: July 21, 2014, 04:08:42 pm
I preferred your original response. But I think even you could see being the kind of guy who wrote that post was definitely worse than herpes.

I'd be interested to see that.
91  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: NYC approves apartment building with separate entrance for poor people on: July 21, 2014, 04:06:53 pm
If you give poor people a separate building project far away from the rich people, you're socialist hero. If you give poor people a separate door on a nice building, you're satan.

The unbounded irrationality of liberal plebs is the 8th wonder of the world.

haha what

92  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Long time, no see. on: July 21, 2014, 04:04:20 pm
Any changes to report? No offence (as I'm glad to see you back) but you have wandered about the political spectrum somewhat Smiley
93  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone II - Less Boring, More Whoring on: July 21, 2014, 04:01:40 pm
This referendum is nudging me leftwards again.

The independence referendum, or is Scotland or the UK having some other referendum that's flown under my radar?

Ye independence one.
94  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone II - Less Boring, More Whoring on: July 21, 2014, 03:13:59 pm
This referendum is nudging me leftwards again.
95  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone II - Less Boring, More Whoring on: July 21, 2014, 03:12:55 pm
I take the bar a week from today. RIP ME Sad

Congratulations. Just don't become a bastard Cheesy
96  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Oklahoma's domino has fallen on: July 21, 2014, 10:15:53 am
When you fall in love with someone, what is it about them that you fall in love with? The answer that we should give; the ‘right’ answer is that you love them because of who they are; for their faults as well as what makes them special. That love should pay no attention to how people look, or what other people think of them. Love should be about the essence of that person and the joy that you bring each other. The ‘wrong’ answer should of course be that I love them because they have nice breasts, a large dick or a firm ass, or that any time I want I can plough this or ride that. The answer shouldn’t be as base and as carnal as that. But at times it is. Love is as complex as it is complicated and loving someone because of their physical attributes is not wrong in itself. But if it is exclusive or it dominates the relationship, then what a fleeting foundation on which to build it.

What traditional Christian understanding of sexual love does inadvertently is be over sensitised or predisposed to the physical even when it illicit a prudish attitude to what is carnal. ‘Love can only exist in marriage; marriage is about procreation. Only one man and one woman.’ You cannot get more ‘physical’ or more base than statements such as these being rooted as they are in sex, gender and physical acts of reproduction. When confronted with the love between two men, then that love is charged as being lesser on the basis of their physical incompatibility, the very fact that they have a specific sex or gender or on the basis of not being able to have children. By extension, there is an underlying assumption that the merit of a man or of a woman is in having their own children, not in being responsible for raising or supporting the children of others. In this mind-set, there is no scope for acknowledging the love of the ‘person’ as opposed to the body. Furthermore, amongst opposite sex couples within the traditional Christian understanding of love and marriage, the physical takes prominence over the person in matters concerning the relationship itself.  Within the context of what happens when the physical compatibility remains in that they are one man and one women perhaps with children, but the personal compatibility is breaking down, this has led to a rather unsympathetic and intrinsically unhealthy view towards separation and divorce.

I do not consider that the secular and permissive response to sex and relationships  is unhealthily concerned with matters of sex. Quite the contrary, I think those responses are broadly healthy. It is the traditional Christian view of sex, relationships, men and women that is overly concerned with the physical and the carnal even within the mandated confines of marriage. To deal briefly with the concept of exclusive celibacy, celibacy is an ‘anorexic’ view of sex; it is either a base fear, distrust or avoidance of sex that the person who is celibate tries to rationalise. As a concept it is also physical/carnal and detached from the idea of the person. Even dalliances and brief relationships that outwardly appear to be nothing more than sexual favours tend to have some connect, albeit fleeting, between those who participate in them. Those who are ‘anorexic’ towards sex sustain, though they are often greatly offended by this comparison, as unhealthy a relationship towards sex as those who are ‘obese’ towards it; those who overindulge who seek it out at all costs to themselves and to others completely disconnected from any personal relationship or concern towards the other ‘body.’
97  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Ask Nathan on: July 21, 2014, 06:04:22 am
Honestly, I'm willing to accept for the sake of argument the idea that Paul is in fact condemning homosexuality as such in Romans 1, but even if that is the case I find it most sensible to understand him to have been condemning it for reasons that no longer obtain, namely the sociological construction of same-sex relationships, especially between men, in the ancient Mediterranean world. For more on this idea and on how it might differ from just a special case of the 'Paul is just condemning lustiness' explanation/handwave, I'd recommend James V. Brownson's book Bible, Gender, Sexuality, which argues this far better than I can and astronomically better than Upworthy can. It's written as an argument in favor of same-sex marriage, but it dissects the objections to the more common arguments in favor of that in what I thought was a pretty fair and sincere manner. It's also written from a Reformed perspective so you may actually get more out of its style of argumentation and the points that it considers worth addressing than I did, even though you'll probably come away still disagreeing with it. It advances, essentially, a modified form of 2) contending not that Paul may have intended to distinguish between different types of same-sex acts but that he may not have thought or understood that same-sex relationships that didn't take the form of abusive power displays were possible.

The context of the 'condemnation' from 1:18 onwards is entirely bombastic. And that is why it is a problem. Being very much in the tradition of the 'and then and then and then' style of rhetoric often founf in Greek narratives, the sexual acts are very much the 'and then' attributed to people who wilfully don't believe in god even though they know it to be true (1:20 suggests that reason alone should be enough to know that god is true which is almost sweet in it's disconnect) To me he’s clearly condemning a certain type of sexual practice (not that any translation actually knows what, though since religion has decided to fight a culture war on same sex relationships since the 1960’s, it seems to be de rigeur to make it about us)

But even if we make that a universal condemnation of all same sex acts after his ‘condemnation’ he really goes for it; the 'and then' continues. Those who do such things are wicked, evil, greedy, depraved, full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice etc. That is an extraordinary statement to make and absolutely disconnected from reality. If what he says about same sex acts is a 'truth' then so too are these attributes. No person, acting with reason and rationale and not caught up in his own words, could ever reach that conclusion.
98  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: 2014 Glasgow Commonwealth Games - Official Thread on: July 20, 2014, 02:20:48 pm

The second image is wonderful for so many reasons.

99  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Overdiagnosis of autism on: July 20, 2014, 01:50:22 pm
Experts, all of us, I see Smiley
100  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / Re: Is the previous poster to the left/right of you? on: July 20, 2014, 12:41:28 pm
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