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76  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK Local Elections, 4th May 2017 on: May 14, 2017, 12:07:39 pm
Scottish results.

My map is a little different from others as I don't treat independents like a bloc. They only 'win the ward' if one independent outpolls all other parties.

77  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK General Election, June 8th 2017 on: May 13, 2017, 03:09:47 pm
Problem is Labour would rather have the Tories rule until the sun expands than have a Blairite lead them to victory.
78  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK General Election, June 8th 2017 on: May 13, 2017, 03:01:57 pm
Meanwhile in Scotland
79  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Gallup: Americans Hold Record Liberal Views on Most Moral Issues on: May 13, 2017, 02:29:54 pm
You're still reading an intimation into what I said that I clarified, or attempted to clarify, wasn't intended.

The fact that you remember that "issue" from eighteen months ago and I don't says way more about your attitude towards me than I could.

I haven't been "reading up in" a socialist Catholic theological "persona"; I've developed it myself and I'll have you know that in my actual relationships with other people it's made me more forgiving and allowed me to develop more sympathy for people who aren't like me. I'm sorry that doesn't come across in discussions on a political forum almost completely abstracted from what admittedly little ~adult life experience~ I do have, but I'm going to go ahead and say here and now that I'm not "better than this", I don't wish to be "better than this", and you're not going to make me "better than this" with your constant armchair criticisms of my personality or beliefs, which I "retreat" from because there is no point to engaging, BECAUSE WE HAVE ORTHOGONAL RELIGIOUS BELIEFS. So stop, please.

No. If you can't engage with what makes you uncomfortable, even where it pisses you the world off, then there's no point in you being here.

Welcome to ignore, jackass.

Just proving my point sadly Sad
80  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Gallup: Americans Hold Record Liberal Views on Most Moral Issues on: May 13, 2017, 01:39:44 pm
You're still reading an intimation into what I said that I clarified, or attempted to clarify, wasn't intended.

The fact that you remember that "issue" from eighteen months ago and I don't says way more about your attitude towards me than I could.

I haven't been "reading up in" a socialist Catholic theological "persona"; I've developed it myself and I'll have you know that in my actual relationships with other people it's made me more forgiving and allowed me to develop more sympathy for people who aren't like me. I'm sorry that doesn't come across in discussions on a political forum almost completely abstracted from what admittedly little ~adult life experience~ I do have, but I'm going to go ahead and say here and now that I'm not "better than this", I don't wish to be "better than this", and you're not going to make me "better than this" with your constant armchair criticisms of my personality or beliefs, which I "retreat" from because there is no point to engaging, BECAUSE WE HAVE ORTHOGONAL RELIGIOUS BELIEFS. So stop, please.

No. If you can't engage with what makes you uncomfortable, even where it pisses you the world off, then there's no point in you being here.
81  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Gallup: Americans Hold Record Liberal Views on Most Moral Issues on: May 13, 2017, 10:53:47 am

Adultery is adultery is adultery. I would hope most Americans would agree, but I don't believe I have the luxury of being surprised if I'm wrong.


Is it? You married? You know what arrangements couples have? You know anyone who's abusive partner refuses their consent for a divorce which stalls it in an uber-Catholic country and therefore their busy 'committing adultery' with the person who rescued from that abusive marriage? 'Adultery is adultery is adultery' is nothing more than a flippant observation from someone who's perpetually on the outside peering in.

Obviously there are situations in which culpability for a whole host of immoral behaviors can be diminished or absent. My point was that (in my belief) extramarital sex is intrinsically wrong regardless of who's agreed to allow whom to do what. Obviously there are different degrees of culpability, and offense given to different people or ideals has different saliences, but all I was saying was that I don't understand the act of extramarital sex to be qualitatively different based on who's agreed to let it happen. I'd have thought that would be obvious from context. I don't expect you to agree with me on this sort of thing and I don't know why you always seem so incensed when I don't agree with you. Please stop doing this. It's starting to feel like bullying.

I'm not bullying you. I publicly object to posts like these because I think you're better than that. I know you're desperate to confirm to whatever 1950's socialist Catholic theological persona you've been reading up in but don't expect to make broad brush moral ultimatums based, I might add, on absolutely zero adult (and I mean real adult) life experience. You've just said above 'I don't understand the act of extramarital sex to be qualitatively different based on who's agreed to let it happen.'

No, you don't understand. Marriage, broken marriage, divorce, abusive power structures within marriage, open relationships, affairs. Nothing seems to act as a mitigator for you. That's the point. And every time anything makes you uncomfortable you retreat (like the issue I raised on abortion with you about 18 months ago and I'm still awaiting a response to , I must be a patient 'bully' Wink) And that's okay. To a point.

If you don't see anything 'qualitatively different' in a male denying his consent to a divorce to continue to abuse his estranged wife from a distance, meaning therefore that his estranged wife has no option but to continue a technically adulterous relationship then I doubt your moral compass.
82  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Gallup: Americans Hold Record Liberal Views on Most Moral Issues on: May 12, 2017, 03:58:09 pm

Adultery is adultery is adultery. I would hope most Americans would agree, but I don't believe I have the luxury of being surprised if I'm wrong.


Is it? You married? You know what arrangements couples have? You know anyone who's abusive partner refuses their consent for a divorce which stalls it in an uber-Catholic country and therefore their busy 'committing adultery' with the person who rescued from that abusive marriage? 'Adultery is adultery is adultery' is nothing more than a flippant observation from someone who's perpetually on the outside peering in.
83  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Would you feel discomfort if your child dated one with very contrary politics? on: May 10, 2017, 02:04:49 pm
My biggest fear is any child dating a homophobe or 'finding god' in such a way that they reject us Sad
84  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: France 2017: Results Thread on: May 07, 2017, 01:06:45 pm
Le Pen, Le Fail.
85  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK Local Elections, 4th May 2017 on: May 07, 2017, 11:58:54 am
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15270068.Orange_Order_elected_to_councils_as_Labour_and_Tory_members/

duh Tongue
86  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: France 2017: Results Thread on: May 06, 2017, 03:58:42 am
Assange should be droned, period.

And 4chan liquidated.
87  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Scottish Nationalism on: May 05, 2017, 04:17:49 pm
A horrible movement that has contributed to the destruction of the British Left.

In what way? Scottish Nationalism existed outside of the SNP (which itself was founded in 1934). The SNP had a disastrous election in 2003 in which the harder left; Trots and Greens were on the ascendancy. Labour began it's UK and Scottish collapse completely independently of the SNP (Labour have lost seats in 2001, 2005, 2010, 2015 and more than likely 2017; a long term decline). Labour's collapse enabled the SNP to win in 2007. They collapsed in 2011 entirely because of their own doing; their campaign was based on 'Now the Tories are back' and privately they had even decided on cabinet spots.

Then they sided with the Tories during an independence referendum. They even shared their canvass information with the Tories. The Tories were the Trojans and they were the f-cking horse! Then they collapsed in 2015. Then they decided they would become defined by 'unionists' (which they never were before) and have aided and abetted the Tories to allow them to get leapfrogged by them in 2016. And now they continue to decline. And in their continuing Stockholm syndrome, they will probably end up in coalition with the Tories across Scotland.

Labour's decline both in Scotland and the UK is self inflicted.
88  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK Local Elections, 4th May 2017 on: May 05, 2017, 03:36:40 pm
Looking at Labour 'won' wards, in North Lanarkshire, Coatbridge stayed Labour and Airdrie remained SNP, which is how it always was. Something suggesting a big degree of local voting here. Labour also won the Shotts-Bathgate corridor and Bellshill but the SNP won Motherwell.

In South Lanarkshire, East Kilbride and Hamilton were SNP, but Blantyre and Larkhall and Lesmahagow etc Labour. Bothwell went Tory as did Avondale and Clydesdale

So there's a degree of 'sectarian' voting but extremely localised, and sometimes contrary.
89  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK Local Elections, 4th May 2017 on: May 05, 2017, 01:30:21 pm
Worth noting that the Scottish results were pretty much what I expected in an STV system. As in 2012, regardless of how well the SNP perform (2011 and 2015/16) either side of council elections, the elections are pretty much a more even match. The only downside is the bartering to form administrations. That's entirely political and might not reflect what the public actually want.
90  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK Local Elections, 4th May 2017 on: May 05, 2017, 09:14:57 am
I'm looking forward to a slew of Tory-Labour coalitions in Scotland where they can yell 'No more referendum' and then have nothing else to do for five years.
91  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK General Election, June 8th 2017 on: May 04, 2017, 04:32:36 pm
Voted in the locals. Filled in the whole ballot this time.

1. SNP
2. SNP
3. Green
4. Libertarian (the party supports independence)
5. Liberal Democrat
6. Labour
7. Independent
8. Conservative
Who was your independent? I'm guessing they're pro-union based on your preferences.

No idea who they were. I usually don't rank them.
92  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK General Election, June 8th 2017 on: May 04, 2017, 02:55:42 pm
Voted in the locals. Filled in the whole ballot this time.

1. SNP
2. SNP
3. Green
4. Libertarian (the party supports independence)
5. Liberal Democrat
6. Labour
7. Independent
8. Conservative
93  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: A funeral home rejected a dead mans body because he was gay on: May 04, 2017, 02:16:52 pm
Baking cakes, burying the dead. What other imposition will the gays place on Christians?
94  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The TrumpCare comes back from the dead (...and dies again!) thread on: May 04, 2017, 01:00:22 pm
They had seven years to come up with a coherent ~conservative health care solution~. SEVEN ING YEARS OF CONSTANTLY RUNNING ON OPPOSING THE ACA. Is this turkey all they're capable of?! Is it all they want to be capable of?! Why the hell didn't they prepare a halfway acceptable bill two, or five, or seven years ago that they could pass when they got a Republican trifecta?! Why didn't they spend any of that seven years coming up with something that wouldn't cause people to die in a heap if passed?

Word.
95  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: How many relationships have you been in? on: May 04, 2017, 12:58:10 pm
I've had two; one for 5 years and one for 6 and counting. When I wasn't in a relationship I had sex with over 80 guys so I'm a man of extremes :p

Since it's something that I constantly struggle with these days, I must say it's very impressive and respectable that you remain faithful in your serious relationships even though your sexual proclivities are otherwise so casual.

Thank you Smiley

We both acknowledge other guys if we find them attractive and we share that (so much so I can guess his type and vice versa) we're not prissy about having 'alone time'.







96  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: How many relationships have you been in? on: May 04, 2017, 03:39:36 am
I hope you're not counting the ones where you didn't have sex.

I've had two; one for 5 years and one for 6 and counting. When I wasn't in a relationship I had sex with over 80 guys so I'm a man of extremes :p
97  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump to sign "Religious Freedom" Executive Order on: May 03, 2017, 03:46:17 pm
What about philosophical freedom? If white supremacy is part of who you are and your belief system, why can't you live it out free from persecution?
98  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Jesus seems to hate some things. Do you? Is hate good? on: May 01, 2017, 06:37:11 am
Why does god end violence with greater acts of violence? Again, why is his response always disproportionate? Why are we more temperate and measured in our response to slights against us?

Lamech killed a young man for striking him; that was the state of humanity before the Flood, after God preserved Cain's life in spite of the demands of earthly justice. As a thanks, we initiated a cycle of bloodletting that had no conceivable terminus. Global baptism was the only cure.

And god sent she bears to kill 42 children for making fun of a bald prophet. He slaughtered children for doing what children do. Again, why is god so agressively inhuman and disproportionate in his responses? Why do we display better core moral restraints?
99  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Jesus seems to hate some things. Do you? Is hate good? on: May 01, 2017, 03:32:24 am
Unfortunately for the world, there were fewer than ten righteous men in the whole joint. Those there were, however, were saved.

You're conflating the Flood story with the Cities of the Plain story.

No, I'm extrapolating: If God would spare an entire city for the sake of ten righteous men, how far beyond redemption was the antediluvian world?

Why does god end violence with greater acts of violence? Again, why is his response always disproportionate? Why are we more temperate and measured in our response to slights against us?
100  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Jesus seems to hate some things. Do you? Is hate good? on: April 30, 2017, 02:21:12 pm
Probably not helpful to post a quotation from Genesis which is the same book in which the entire world is wiped out in a flood. Again, something I wouldn't do.
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