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1  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump escalates trade war with Canada: imposes tariffs on Canadian milk, lumber on: April 24, 2017, 10:21:03 pm
And now we know what the Executive Branch version of the kid who didn't do any work on his class project all quarter looks like.
2  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump calls all 100 Senators to White House for North Korea on: April 24, 2017, 10:18:21 pm

Trump has a large but fragile ego.
3  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Likelihood of a Government shutdown? on: April 24, 2017, 01:15:51 pm
I think it's very UNlikely that Congress misses the deadline. But I doubt there will be funding for Trump's big egoWall included. So whether he throws a fit and vetoes the bill or not will be the biggest factor in whether there's a shutdown or not.
4  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Donald Trump brags that he got highest ratings since 9/11 on: April 24, 2017, 09:13:36 am
Very fitting, since he's probably going to be an even bigger and more costly disaster for the United States.
5  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Merkel had to teach Trump how EU trade works 11 times on: April 23, 2017, 11:30:07 pm
He's never had to learn or work hard at anything before because his entire life has just been handed to him. I imagine (hope) that as he learns more about the actual world around him (and that it doesn't revolve around him) that he'll focus a little more on bettering it and not just go for another round of golf like he's on a four year vacation from life.


I mostly agree with this post (although Trump should get at least a little bit of credit for his management of his business). Hopefully he will learn on the job, and avoid any serious missteps in the meantime.

These type of responses trying to defend trump are absolutely amazing to me !
We are talking about President of the USA !
This is not a entry-level position for landscaping your yard, in where the manager just decides to "give the guy a shot" and hires a dude to cut our lawn. And if it doesn't work out .... oh well.

Everything that happens EVERDAY, AROUND THE WORLD, in where our head of state and his administration do nothing or louse-things-up, is detrimental to not only our nation, but our Allies, NATO and the rest of the free world.

While we (the USA) are on "vacation" golfing every weekend, with our President continuing to act like an orange-haired clown, and while his administration (including our Sec of State) perform like amateurs, our (USA, Allies, NATO, etc) status and level of readiness to respond falls, and our enemies just smile and laugh.
No wonder Putin helped put this laughable-joke-of-a-leader to run our country.
Even ISIS is ecstatic that we voted this clown in.

I don't think this argument is quite as vacuous as most of those supporting our so-called President. To play devil'Trumpers advocate (because I am a human being and have empathy, even if they don't), the argument in support of this sort of position would be that with Hillary - who was 100% behind the neoliberal globalist status quo -   as the only other possible choice, it was worth the cost of Trump learning on the job to get someone who would challenge the establishment into office.

Trump's actions once in office have made the above argument into a horrific joke, of course.  He's just as pro-Establishment as the Clintons. He just happens to belong to the faction that doesn't see why the peasants and slaves need to be kept in even a modicum of health and happiness, rather than just encouraged to die quickly.  (As some of us knew long before he won.)

His cultists will refuse to believe this, and twist their brains into pretzels in order to avoid admitting they were conned hugely.



If your main problem with Trump is that he's too "pro-Establishment", then you don't deserve to be taken seriously.

I made the point specifically to point out that this particular argument in favor of Trump was invalid. I do think Trump is a strong supporter of the status quo. (At least when it comes to perpetuating regulatory-capture and other forms of "government by the rich, for the rich".) I'm not sure I'd say that's my main problem with him.

Trump's many gross defects as a President (and a human being) are so numerous and so vast that comparing them becomes like comparing the sizes of stars.  (Only minus the bits about providing light, heat, heavy elements, etc. Although some stars are orange.)

I would say that his being an deranged ignoramus with the critical thinking capacity of an overly optimistic squirrel is definitely a worse problem than his reflexive acquiescence to billionaire and corporate wish-lists.   
6  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump is the earthquake, shaking up the foundation of our country. on: April 23, 2017, 11:14:36 pm
Good. We need it. I think he represents why I've been so out of touch and nostalgic since I was a young kid. I started watching news when? 1993? 1994? That's right around the time of the "globalization" everyone talks about.

I used to wonder "What changed?" and I hear from older people how there used to be more freedoms, less rules, less policies, less restrictions. It seems like the world, for a guy like me, used to be a much better place. If he's the guy to rip the new butthole to all these globalist elites, that is a very good thing.

Teens in High School used to drive during lunch to get McDonalds. Try doing that now and it's like a school-lockdown policy. People used to smoke in waiting rooms, even into the early 90s. Now I'm told I can't (literally) cross a line in the waiting room with a CUP OF COFFEE. A cup of coffee.

Who makes these rules? Who are these freaks? It's time to find them and put them in their place. Trump terrifies them because they've tried to create this world, and people hate it and are rebelling and he's the ultimate threat to it.

It's the angry good guy outrage from films like Falling Down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk9IMyP85Ko


What an directionless amalgamation of words.

Speaking of Our Duly-Elected Fearful Leader, here's the AP's transcript of his interview in the Oval Office last Friday:
https://apnews.com/c810d7de280a47e88848b0ac74690c83


7  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Merkel had to teach Trump how EU trade works 11 times on: April 23, 2017, 08:10:57 pm
He's never had to learn or work hard at anything before because his entire life has just been handed to him. I imagine (hope) that as he learns more about the actual world around him (and that it doesn't revolve around him) that he'll focus a little more on bettering it and not just go for another round of golf like he's on a four year vacation from life.


I mostly agree with this post (although Trump should get at least a little bit of credit for his management of his business). Hopefully he will learn on the job, and avoid any serious missteps in the meantime.

These type of responses trying to defend trump are absolutely amazing to me !
We are talking about President of the USA !
This is not a entry-level position for landscaping your yard, in where the manager just decides to "give the guy a shot" and hires a dude to cut our lawn. And if it doesn't work out .... oh well.

Everything that happens EVERDAY, AROUND THE WORLD, in where our head of state and his administration do nothing or louse-things-up, is detrimental to not only our nation, but our Allies, NATO and the rest of the free world.

While we (the USA) are on "vacation" golfing every weekend, with our President continuing to act like an orange-haired clown, and while his administration (including our Sec of State) perform like amateurs, our (USA, Allies, NATO, etc) status and level of readiness to respond falls, and our enemies just smile and laugh.
No wonder Putin helped put this laughable-joke-of-a-leader to run our country.
Even ISIS is ecstatic that we voted this clown in.

I don't think this argument is quite as vacuous as most of those supporting our so-called President. To play devil'Trumpers advocate (because I am a human being and have empathy, even if they don't), the argument in support of this sort of position would be that with Hillary - who was 100% behind the neoliberal globalist status quo -   as the only other possible choice, it was worth the cost of Trump learning on the job to get someone who would challenge the establishment into office.

Trump's actions once in office have made the above argument into a horrific joke, of course.  He's just as pro-Establishment as the Clintons. He just happens to belong to the faction that doesn't see why the peasants and slaves need to be kept in even a modicum of health and happiness, rather than just encouraged to die quickly.  (As some of us knew long before he won.)

His cultists will refuse to believe this, and twist their brains into pretzels in order to avoid admitting they were conned hugely.

8  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump is the earthquake, shaking up the foundation of our country. on: April 23, 2017, 10:34:18 am
I'm sure you might like him if you met him.

After he grabs my pussy shakes my hand, we can share a cool, refreshing spiked drink and discuss what plans he has next for screwing over working class Americans.

Don't be ridiculous. Trump doesn't plan to screw over working class Americans - he just intends to benefit himself, people he knows, and people whose goodwill he values (i.e. billionaires). That the vast majority of Americans will end up suffering because of what he does is something he does not care about, not something he actively plans for.

Heck, given how incompetent he is, we should hope he plans to screw us over. We'd probably get a better outcome that way.
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: David Brooks: Western civilization is collapsing on: April 22, 2017, 05:10:16 pm
Yeah, I've been hearing this pretty much constantly from one Chicken Little or another since I was a little kid in the 70s.  History tells me it didn't start then and I don't expect it to stop any time soon.

It's like that Thanksgiving myth that turkeys tell each other about. No turkey has ever actually seen it, so obviously it's going to be free food and shelter from Mr. Farmer forever.
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Book "Shattered" - Inside stories of Hillary's campaign on: April 21, 2017, 07:09:37 pm


They would have been better off with "So Trump Doesn't".

If the Clinton campaign could have successfully communicated panic instead of dull resignation to potential Democratic voters, she would have won.

Then again, as we already knew but this book seems to make clearer, if the Clinton campaign could have successfully communicated anything to potential democratic voters, she would have won.

In a way, Trump is partly the fault of everyone who had anything to do with the D primary process (myself included). We should never have allowed someone so bad at running a campaign to become the alternative to Trump.
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: David Brooks: Western civilization is collapsing on: April 21, 2017, 06:53:53 pm
It's not "Western Civilization" that's collapsing. It's a global system based on ever-increasing across the board returns that's teetering. We, as a culture and species, have done *amazing* things that should not be discounted. But we've done so via what has become a pyramid scheme of expanding productivity, population, and resource consumption. I believe that modern civilization doesn't need to be a pyramid scheme. But changing to something that will be sustainable, yet provide a good quality of life to the public AND uphold good ides like freedom, justice, equality and human rights is going to indeed require an end to the mode of capitalism practiced in the United States. Not just the zombie vulture capitalism of the financial sector, but all the absurd wealth concentration is going to end, one way or another.

It can either end well - as a deliberate shift that does not leave flaming chaos in its wake, or its end can be forced up on is with outcomes that will be horrible for much of the human race. But either way, it is ending.  And whatever shape the civilization on the other side takes, it will probably not include guys who write newspaper columns living in four million dollar homes. So yes, David Brooks' civilization is collapsing.
12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump admin denies Exxon request to drill in russia on: April 21, 2017, 02:47:23 pm
I can't imagine why.

"U.S. House committee sets more hearings in Trump-Russia probe"
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-congress-idUSKBN17N23C
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The U.S. House of Representatives Intelligence Committee said on Friday it sent invitations to FBI, NSA and Obama administration officials to appear at hearings in its investigation of alleged Russian meddling in the U.S. 2016 election.

After disagreement between Democrats and Republicans over who would testify as it probes possible links between President Donald Trump's campaign and Russia, the committee said it sent a letter inviting James Comey, director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and Admiral Mike Rogers, director of the National Security Agency, to appear behind closed doors on May 2.

A second letter invited three officials who left the government as President Barack Obama's administration ended, former CIA Director John Brennan, former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and former Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates, to appear at a public hearing to be scheduled after May 2.

"Donald Trump borrowed money from Russia in 2008, claims ex-MI6 boss"
http://metro.co.uk/2017/04/16/donald-trump-borrowed-money-from-russia-in-2008-claims-ex-mi6-boss-6578624/
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Richard Dearlove, the former head of MI6, claims President Trump borrowed money to prop up his real estate empire which was shaken by the financial crisis.

"A Former Trump Partner in a Failed Russia Deal Donated to his Inauguration"
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/04/trump-russia-lebow-inauguration
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One odd thing about Donald Trump's relationship with Russia is that for decades he bragged about developing projects there—and made big promises that he would rule the Moscow skyline—but the deals always fell through or never materialized. He took multiple trips to Moscow, hobnobbed with oligarchs, and attached his name to several projects, but he never pulled off a concrete deal. Perhaps the closest he came was in 1996, when he hooked up with Bennett LeBow, an American businessman, who shepherded Trump to Moscow. While in the Russian capital, the pair bragged they would soon be developing a luxury Trump skyscraper. These towers never happened, but Trump and LeBow remained friends, and in December, LeBow wrote a $300,000 check to Trump's inaugural committee.

"Trump's cybersecurity review misses deadline"
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/trumps-cybersecurity-review-misses-deadline-46922459
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After a receiving a U.S. intelligence assessment on Russian's interference in last year's elections, President Donald Trump vowed that he would have a team present him with a review of America's cybersecurity efforts within 90 days of taking office.

But Thursday was the 90-day mark and no plan has been presented. The missed target date, one of several blown deadlines in the administration's first months, has resulted in uncertainty as to who is running the cyber review and when it might be completed. The White House insisted Thursday that a plan was in the works but did not offer any timetable.


And that's just he past couple days. Even an administration as apparently clueless as his can occasionally avoid an obviously boneheaded move. (Although the same apparently wasn't true of the corporation until recently headed by Trump SoS.)
13  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump's indirect (or not so much) ties to Russian mobsters on: April 21, 2017, 12:13:43 pm
Tough to argue. I think it would honestly be better at this point for everyone, including conservatives, if Trump left

Probably. But I expect conservatives / Republicans are going to experience a sort of sunk cost fallacy with Trump. They're taking the heat for electing him, so they're going to want to get some use out of him before he goes. That will probably lead to more desperate moves, like trying (and probably failing) to repeal Obamacare, again. And they'll back him well past the point where the majority of the public thinks he needs to go, damaging themselves further.
14  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Breaking News: US officals preparing charges against Assange on: April 21, 2017, 10:36:43 am

Yeah but he's hiding out. How can we get him?

Trump - "Hey, President Correa, want a nice new juicy trade deal, so you can start winning even more?"

Given Trump's demonstrated level of competence so far, such an offer would likely end with Ecuador severing diplomatic relations with the US.
15  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Nightmare Scenario for Florida’s Coastal Homeowners on: April 21, 2017, 09:14:11 am
Floridians need not worry! The King Canute routine of their chosen leaders Rick Scott and Donald Trump will surely save them from rising sea levels!
16  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Sessions comment about 'an island in the Pacific' is dog-whistle bigotry ? on: April 20, 2017, 09:01:09 pm
It's a dumb, condescending comment, but I'm not sure what it's supposed to be a dogwhistle for?

Yeah. Dog-whistling implies a degree of deliberate understanding of  what he's doing. Instead, I think this is just an example of pure old-fashioned stupid ignorance and incompetence. (Something that's rapidly becoming the hallmark of government by Trump.)
17  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Breaking News: US officals preparing charges against Assange on: April 20, 2017, 08:51:48 pm
The fact that Ed Snowden didn't feel safe going anywhere but Russia and China suggests the US government could get Assange if it really wanted him.

He was originally headed to Ecuador. He got stuck in Moscow, mid-transit, the exact details of why vary.
18  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Massive demonstrations in Venezuela against Maduro on: April 20, 2017, 03:46:37 pm
GM Halts Operations In Venezuela, Says Plant Was Seized By Government
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/04/20/524870557/gm-halts-operations-in-venezuela-says-plant-was-seized-by-government

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General Motors has stopped operations in Venezuela after its only plant there was illegally seized by authorities, the automaker says in a statement. Meanwhile, employees at the plant tell NPR that they believe auto dealers, not government officials, were behind the seizure.

The seizure happened Wednesday, as the "mother of all protests" brought hundreds of thousands of people into the streets to demonstrate against socialist President Nicolas Maduro.

GM announced the plant confiscation Thursday, saying its plant in Valencia "was unexpectedly taken by the public authorities, preventing normal operations. In addition, other assets of the company, such as vehicles, have been illegally taken from its facilities," GM said.
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Source: Trumpcare is back an worse then ever on: April 20, 2017, 01:55:48 pm
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/20/obamacare-repeal-republicans-new-deal-237397

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Administration officials are feeling inordinate pressure to pass the legislation because of Trump's impatience and fears that his failure to repeal the health care law will dominate coverage of the administration's first 100 days, which end next week, officials say.

The White House believes it is "close" to having the 216 votes needed to get a bill out of the House, one senior official said, but "people don't want to commit without seeing the text."

Trump has asked repeatedly — and sometimes several times a day — about the status of the health care law and seems more engaged than during last month's failed effort to get Speaker Paul Ryan’s American Health Care Act through the chamber, a senior administration official said. The president believes that it will be difficult to gain momentum on other issues without "getting something done on health care," according to one person who spoke with him.

Seems more like Trump's Ego First than America First.

Maybe he can fire $50 million dollars worth of cruise missile at Obamacare? That seemed to work well for him the last time he wanted to do "something".
20  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump missed promised deadline on cyber-security team on: April 20, 2017, 01:45:43 pm
What does Rudy Giuliani know about cybersecurity? Is this because of 9/11 and "security"?

He runs what is ostensibly a "security consulting business".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giuliani_Partners
21  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Trump missed promised deadline on cyber-security team on: April 20, 2017, 01:28:19 pm
Unsurprisingly, another broken promise and missed deadline by the so-called President,  this time on computer security.

https://greatagain.gov/intel-meeting-3b6542ca6500
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“Whether it is our government, organizations, associations or businesses we need to aggressively combat and stop cyberattacks. I will appoint a team to give me a plan within 90 days of taking office. The methods, tools and tactics we use to keep America safe should not be a public discussion that will benefit those who seek to do us harm. Two weeks from today I will take the oath of office and America’s safety and security will be my number one priority.”

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/20/trump-cybersecurity-hackers-237385
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Trump did start early with an event on cybersecurity, convening a meeting on Jan. 31 in the Roosevelt Room featuring Rudy Giuliani, who’s leading a group tasked with building private sector partnerships on cybersecurity. “We must protect federal networks and data. We operate these networks on behalf of the American people and they are very important,” Trump said in his remarks then, not addressing a coinciding executive order that was announced to be signed that day but that was abruptly pulled without explanation.

That appears to have led to some confusion about responsibility for the anti-hacking plan in the White House. The National Security Council would normally be involved in creating such a report. But on Wednesday, a NSC spokesperson told POLITICO that he was unaware if the NSC was in charge of compiling it, or if that responsibility fell to Giuliani — or if the report exists.

Giuliani is continuing his work talking to the private sector, but a spokesperson for the former New York City mayor confirmed that he is not involved in any 90-day report.

The White House spokesperson wouldn’t directly address why the deadline was missed.

“The president has appointed a diverse set of executives with both government and private sector expertise who are currently are working to deliver an initial cybersecurity plan through a joint effort between the National Security Council and the Office of American Innovation,” said Trump deputy press secretary Lindsay Walters, referring to the office run by Trump’s son-in-law and top aide Jared Kushner.

Trump made the deadline promise repeatedly. A week after the initial statement, he tweeted on Jan. 13, “My people will have a full report on hacking within 90 days!”

I guess America's safety and security just couldn't compete with petty graft, golfing, and watching FOX News.
22  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Russia vetoes UN North Korea resolution. on: April 20, 2017, 12:38:06 pm
To play devil's advocate, perhaps Putin was worried that the Trump Administration would use the resolution as Security Council authorization for US action against North Korea?
23  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: A month later, *NO* U.S. Attorneys in place on: April 20, 2017, 12:05:24 pm
Sessions will finally get a Deputy when the senate comes back next week, and what is essentially the "2nd Deputy" will follow quickly after that. Not much, but it's a start.
It should not have taken this long at all.

Well your party is the one dragging out the existing nominations. Like 7 or 8 nominations were ready to be confirmed on Jan 20, but only 2 were let through then. The Dems have delayed committee proceedings and  mounted useless filibusters throughout this process.

They're just following the other party's recently well-established precedent on this matter. Smiley

Really, they shouldn't be approving ANY nominees until the election is over and the people have expressed their will.
24  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / A month later, *NO* U.S. Attorneys in place on: April 19, 2017, 10:32:02 pm
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/a-month-after-dismissing-federal-prosecutors-justice-department-does-not-have-any-us-attorneys-in-place/2017/04/18/d94c4bd0-2442-11e7-b503-9d616bd5a305_story.html

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But the attorney general does not have a single U.S. attorney in place to lead his tough-on-crime efforts across the country. Last month, Sessions abruptly told the dozens of remaining Obama administration U.S. attorneys to submit their resignations immediately — and none of them, or the 47 who had already left, have been replaced.

“We really need to work hard at that,” Sessions said when asked Tuesday about the vacancies as he opened a meeting with federal law enforcement officials. The 93 unfilled U.S. attorney positions are among the hundreds of critical Trump administration jobs that remain open.

Sessions is also without the heads of his top units, including the civil rights, criminal and national security divisions, as he tries to reshape the Justice Department.

25  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Exxon asks Trump White House for waiver on Russia sanctions on: April 19, 2017, 02:46:04 pm
BTW, did we ever find out who gotbought that 19.5% of Rosneft in December?
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-rosneft-privatisation-insight-idUSKBN1582OH

For those who don't remember, it was alleged back in October that Trump & Co were offered 19% of Rosneft as a bribe by the Russian government.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html (page 30)
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