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1  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump ends TPP deal. Sanders praises. on: Today at 01:13:17 am
Hopefully Trump shows how dumb protectionism is.

I don't want to see an actively protectionist US, but the TPP was awful from start to its well-earned end.

And while I don't like Trump a bit, credit where credit is due: I'm damned glad to see this thing die, and I was not confident Clinton would have put a stake through its heart. (Now to see if Trump starts trying to raise it from the dead the same way I  expect she would have, and whether it looks any better. No secret negotiations would be a positive start.)
2  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump has a different approach to lying on: January 23, 2017, 05:56:01 pm
what the hell would the people who preach trump's "3d chess strategy" advice the media to do?

ignore him?

laugh about him instead of hyperbole?

-Stop being the Blue Nation Review and be an objective newspaper. But the incentives aren't there for that, and the press isn't wise enough to figure that out.

There is probably nothing they can do to be considered "objective" by those who don't believe them. Lying is different than not being believed. This is why this is an issue in the first place.

They could try not assuming the worst of Trump at every opportunity. Half or more of Trump's "lies" are just extremely uncharitable misinterpretations by reporters desperate for a "shocking" story. Plus they could cut down on opinion pieces disguised as objective reporting.

President Pussygrabber, his cultists, and his merry band of billionaire looters should quake in fear at even the possibility that the media will work its way up to "objective reporting". "Objective reporting" would in short order fill the streets with enraged mobs bent on seeing the orange con artist swinging from a streetlight, along with his friends and lackeys. (I suspect that's where we'll eventually end up anyway, but he'll have years to ruin the nation, first.)
3  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump has a different approach to lying on: January 23, 2017, 03:21:54 pm
Donald Trump Is Gaslighting America
http://www.teenvogue.com/story/donald-trump-is-gaslighting-america
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To gas light is to psychologically manipulate a person to the point where they question their own sanity, and that’s precisely what Trump is doing to this country. He gained traction in the election by swearing off the lies of politicians, while constantly contradicting himself, often without bothering to conceal the conflicts within his own sound bites. He lied to us over and over again, then took all accusations of his falsehoods and spun them into evidence of bias.

At the hands of Trump, facts have become interchangeable with opinions, blinding us into arguing amongst ourselves, as our very reality is called into question.
4  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Transition Team/Cabinet Thread on: January 23, 2017, 02:18:33 pm
Perry is doing better here than he ever did in either of his presidential campaigns.

For all the jokes about "oops" I actually don't think he's a terrible choice for Energy

Moniz is a nuclear physicist.  Perry barely graduated college.  The department of Energy is in charge of the nuclear energy.  Do you want the guy from Dancing with the stars in charge?

You ignore the fact he was a successful Governor for literally almost 15 years. Dancing with the Stars is meaningless, you act like that is his only accomplishment.

That's your opinion.  But even if what you say is true, that doesn't mean he's qualified to lead the Dept. of Energy.
That's not your decision to make.

No, but according to the U.S. Constitution I have the right to express my opinion and criticize the corrupt idiot that made the decision.

I'm sure that given a little time, the Pussygrabber administration will describe that as "fake news" and present their "alternative facts" about what the Constitution really means.
5  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Question to Trump supporters, how are you ok with this tax return thing? on: January 23, 2017, 01:39:56 pm
I think it's really simple: Trump supporters are amazingly stupid.  Not an "I don't agree with them" stupid. And not  just "not that smart" or "missing some education stupid". They have a sort of aggressive, willful stupid that is only possible with real effort. And  I think the cause is fear and cognitive dissonance.

Things are bad for a lot of people in the US. And they're also deeply challenging and uncomfortable to a lot of people, often the same people. And they're not going to get better, or go back to being the way they were without change that doesn't seem really possible right now. Including from Trump. But they've already bit on the Trump bait. Admitting that he's the pinnacle of Dunning-Kruger would be both admitting how screwed they are, both ideologically and economically, AND it would be a huge blow to their self esteem because they'd need to acknowledge just how stupid they've been. And they'd rather die or kill than do that.

6  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: An observation on Republican Party culture on: January 23, 2017, 10:58:18 am
I think I read somewhere that in countries with lower levels of gender inequality (like ours), men are more authoritarian than women because they feel more threatened by the increased competition.  And with our tortured history of race relations, that is especially prevalent among white men.

It is the other way around in countries and societies that are still blatantly patriarchal, like Saudi Arabia. 

Saudi Arabia is an absolute monarchy. That's as authoritarian as you can get.

And if the monarch pretended to be Christian, and they dressed in familiar fashions, it would be exactly what the GOP wants America to become.
7  General Discussion / History / Re: Which of these was the worst mistake made by a U.S. President? on: January 23, 2017, 01:32:39 am
Obama failing to release intelligence community reports on Trump before the election beats all of them, in long-term damage.
8  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Double-Think: Kelly-Ann Conway calls Spicer lies "alternative facts" on: January 23, 2017, 01:29:47 am

And now we have:
Lie -> Alternative fact


I would like to suggest a better version. How about a "trump fact". Or, even better, just a "trump".

It would just roll so nicely off the tongue: "this is a trump!", "I caught you on a trump!", etc.

I've always been a little surprised Trump hasn't gotten the smurf treatment.

"The President really trumped some trump in his trumping speech the other day".

It captures the general lack of meaning and intelligence associated with the Trump-cult well.
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Wikileaks calls for release of Trump's tax returns on: January 22, 2017, 10:37:29 pm
At this point, I wouldn't put it past them to finger the leakers and not release the returns. Or release edited versions on them.

Edited: "wouldn't put it past them". Gaah.
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: A neuroscientist explains what may be wrong with Trump supporters’ brains on: January 22, 2017, 07:49:51 pm
Huh, I didn't see any mention of the dopamine rush people get from being told they're right, which I've always figured was the biggest driver for the Trump-cult.
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Ann Coulter compares participants in the Women's March to Nazis on: January 22, 2017, 07:32:04 pm
12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Double-Think: Kelly-Ann Conway calls Spicer lies "alternative facts" on: January 22, 2017, 07:30:30 pm
President Pussygrabber and his lying band of amoral plunder monkeys are gaslighting the whole damned country. Everyone needs to stop enabling them, stop normalizing them.
13  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump to meet with Theresa May on Friday on: January 22, 2017, 02:57:08 am
She'll be the first foreign head of government to meet with Trump since his inauguration:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38707524


I hope her bodyguards are well trained. I'd hate to see US-British relations destroyed by President Pussygrabber's uncontrollable sex drive. Maybe the Secret Service can confiscate his tic-tacs?
14  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Spicer blasts MSM Fake News during Inauguration Weekened on: January 22, 2017, 01:12:57 am
Trump supporters seem to have meltdowns at the same time as Trump himself...a sad sight to see people defend this con artist

That's because they aren't supporters in any traditional sense. It's a cult and they are cultists. OF COURSE they do exactly what their cult leader does. I just hope the inevitable Jonestown moment doesn't involve nukes.
15  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Predict the first year of Trump's Presidency on: January 21, 2017, 03:45:49 pm
Where the tangoing foxtrot is this idea that bombing North Korea is something that President Pussygrabber (or anyone else) can get away with coming from?

The collapse of North Korea would be an epic disaster. A war on the Korean penninsula would quickly lead to megadeaths. Plus WMD technology would scatter to the darker corners of the world in exactly the fashion President Clinton worked so hard to prevent.

It's ever more obvious that the best thing possible for the US and the world would be Trump's replacement by Pence. I hope it happens ASAP.
16  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Women's March Megathead on: January 21, 2017, 03:06:07 pm
Looks like our side won the PV again. Wink

I've said it before and I'll say it again: If opposition to Trump is ignored, mocked, and belittled, it's only going to get stronger and angrier.

What was Gandi's quote again? "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win"?
17  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Predict the first year of Trump's Presidency on: January 21, 2017, 02:57:47 pm
*Trade war.
*Unemployment will go up.
*Federal books will be cooked.
*The US economy starts to stagger.
*Hillary Clinton will not be locked up.
*Tax returns will not be officially released.
*The Trump-cult will get even more willfully ignorant.
*At least one Cabinet member gets told "you're fired".
*Significantly increased assaults on freedom of speech.
*Real but not credible assassination plot is massively over-hyped.
*At least one damaging leak from inside the Pussygrabber Administration.
*Multiple cases of vast over-reach by the executive branch, resulting in lawsuits.
*Multiple vacations, which President Pussygrabber will claim are "working" vacations.
*The Wall becomes a debacle, but the Executive Branch tries hard to pretend otherwise.
*No deliberate entry into an ongoing wars, but at least one large-scale airstrike and/or deployment of Marines.
18  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The TRUMP inauguration thread on: January 21, 2017, 10:24:44 am
Apparently Trumplethinskin was upset that coverage by his inaugurationcoronation by his new subjects wasn't fawning enough and has ordered all their mouthstwitter accounts to be gagged:

"Unflattering Trump retweets lead to Twitter 'shut down' at Interior Department"
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/21/unflattering-trump-retweets-lead-to-twitter-shut-down-at-interior-department.html

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The Interior Department was told to “shut down” its official Twitter accounts after the National Park Service shared two tweets during the inauguration that were unflattering to President Doandl Trump.

The Washington Post reported late Friday that one retweet suggested Trump drew a smaller crowd to his inauguration than ex-president Barack Obama did in 2009, while the other noted several omissions of policy areas on the new White House website.
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Climate change, civil rights dropped from White House website on: January 20, 2017, 07:01:24 pm

More like the end of the beginning, I'd think. The door is open, and now we get to see what lies within.
20  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The TRUMP inauguration thread on: January 20, 2017, 05:59:22 pm
Dan Gross ‏@DanJGross

Crowd count is in:
Trump 2017: 250,000
Obama 2013: 1,000,000
Obama 2009: 1,800,000

but trump suprtrs wr @ wrk

I thought they'd all lost their jobs to evil liberal capitalists?
21  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Now that the POTUS has said the magic words... on: January 20, 2017, 04:11:52 pm


I'm still not sure if "radical Islamic terrorism" means people trying to blow up this guy's plane, or if he's supposed to land on somebody and hurt them. Trump-cultists, could you please explain the meaning of your religious invocation?

Thanks in advance!
22  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Report: President Trump to Re-instate Mexico City Policy Sunday on: January 20, 2017, 03:46:49 pm
This seems like a bad idea from a Pro-Life perspective.  Planned Parenthood is primarily a pill dispensary, and its mission is to decrease unwanted pregnancies.  Removing federal funding will likely lead to more unplanned or unwanted pregnancies. 

That's a win for them. The anti-choice crew are not "Pro-Life". That's a snow job. They're pro-pregnancy, and anti-choice, generally opposed to women have control over their own reproduction.

"Pro-Lifers" consistently support the death penalty, policies that lead to higher mortality among infants and months, policies that lead to worse life outcomes and lower quality of life. All they are interested in is their own self-righteousness and controlling other people.
23  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The TRUMP inauguration thread on: January 20, 2017, 01:56:55 pm
Worst speech I have ever watched from a western leader. It was shock-full of divisive populist nonsense. Every republican in congress must have cringed at that. "Prosperity through protection"? This was as bad as expected and arguably even worse.

When was the last time an American President went hard protectionist?

 I think it was this guy:


Anyone remember how that turned out?
24  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The TRUMP inauguration thread on: January 20, 2017, 01:41:00 pm
It was one of the best speeches I have heard in my life.

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What truly matters is not which party controls our government, but whether our government is controlled by the people.

Which is obviously why President Pussygrabber appointed so many current and former Goldman Sachs alumni to his administration, along with a fine selection of billionaires.

One of the most deplorable things about the Trump-cult is how they just turn their brains off.
25  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The TRUMP inauguration thread on: January 20, 2017, 01:32:14 pm
Tv coverage here in Portugal is shocked by the speech. One guy said it was the least elegant speech ever.
Also, a commentator just said this speech resembles Nazi Germany!!! God!! Seriously, here everyone is speechless.

Godwin's Law strikes at last.  you won.


President Pussygrabber Godwin'd himself weeks ago:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/819164172781060096
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