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1  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Arizona Republicans Want To Prosecute Protesters The Same Way They Do Terrorists on: Today at 11:07:07 pm
Do Arizonan Republicans really want to commit party suicide by putting protest demonstrations (though some may be peaceful) on par with "terrorism?"

I guess they want to lose in 2018 and 2020.

I suspect it's more that they're confident they won't face fair elections in 2018 and 2020. What are you going to do when they rig the vote (by various means, including voter IDs)? Protest?
2  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump's first address to Congress - Feb. 28 on: Today at 08:28:44 pm
He ran the most competent state exchange in ObamaCare.

I like the idea of having a Democrat from a red state give the response, but Beshear is retired.  I am not sure how much this could help the Democratic party in 2018. 

I think he's a good choice. Because what anyone who bothers to watch will see, if Beshear is any good at all, is a bitingly sharp contrast between a dictatorial man-baby with the IQ a deranged varmit and an actual old while male politician.

Having another older white male respond to the Menace from Mar-a-Lago will  highlight his gross unfitness for the office in a way no one else could.
3  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Next DNC Chair: Jaime Harrison drops out, endorses Perez on: Today at 08:19:19 pm
This is totally ridiculous. Both of the Establishment wing and the Progressive wing need to realize that calling each other out will not form unity. It prolongs the chaos. We're already a "minority party" nationally and in most states.

Perez winning will definitely not be the end of the world. If you are a Sanders Loyalist, don't let it get to you and not participate in anything of Democrats. Sanders Loyalists are already attempting to take over parties in some places w/o the help of anyone.

The Establishment Wing needs to give space for Progressive Wingers a voice within the party. Admit it. We need something fresh in many states in which the GOP has taken advantage. We need to join forces, grow up, and win elections again.

*Also, the DNC race isn't the most important race right now. It's the federal and statewide races for the next couple of years to worry about.

The DNC rigged the primary and then tried to start a new cold war with Russia to distract people when they got busted. The idea that progressives and the 3rd way establishment are somehow on the same team is ridiculous.

We are on the same team. The Truck Fump Team.

My worry with the establishment Dems is that they may not be willing to fight our dictator wanna-be, or that they are so disconnected as to be completely unable to effectively do so.
4  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Pat Buchanan: Is secession the solution? on: Today at 06:27:17 pm
Why do I care what this deranged old Nazi has to say?

I think Pat Buchanan represents the mood and views of Republican base better than almost every other columnist out there.  If he's a nazi, then so are most Republicans.

Very true.
5  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: CNN, NYT and other outlets blocked from attending White House media briefing on: Today at 06:25:40 pm
On the one hand, this clearly underscores how little this administration cares about freedom of the press. On the other, in contrast to the more macabre interpretations, I read this as just standard Nixonian paranoia and petulance. If anything, CNN/NYT/Politico will become more antagonistic, will dig deeper, will find more dirt... NBC/CBS/WaPo will circle the wagons in solidarity, and moderate GOPers will have to account for it during town halls and in interviews.

I mean... who won in 1974: Nixon or the Press?

I honestly don't understand why the Trump admin thinks that, long term, this will redound to their benefit. They are constantly digging their metaphorical graves deeper and deeper.

I mostly agree. The prime motivator is Trump's weak but vast ego, and his inner circle's desire to baby it.

But just because dictatorial actions are being taken for stupid and petty reasons doesn't make them less dictatorial.

Spicer's statment last December was fair - what he and his boss are doing now is deeply anti-democratic and is the action of a dictator, not an elected head of state.

As for the long-term impacts, to the GOP and the country, I don't think Trump and his cabal know or care. They're simultaneously drunk on power and in far over their heads. So they're going to flail around hurting everything until the Trump regime is finally ended by the Huge Leader getting ousted or dying.
6  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: CPAC scrambles to control damage after attendees wave Russian flags on: Today at 06:05:48 pm
So do these kinds of conservatives = Russian loyalists? Do they not care about our country anymore?

They never did. They've always hated America and what it stood for. (They liked the slave-owning aristocracy of the Confederacy just fine though.)

LOL, yep, ZERO conservatives in the North supporting the Union.  Nailed it.

They have problems with reading comprehension, too.
7  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: How many members of Congress will boycott Trump's speech? on: Today at 04:37:42 pm
His address to a joint session of Congress, February 28th

http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=259472.0

Perhaps he'll have his Presidential Guard ban member of Congress he doesn't like from the hall?
8  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: CPAC scrambles to control damage after attendees wave Russian flags on: Today at 04:36:19 pm
I might by a Russian flag soon. If we get a Clintonite in the White House in 2020, I want to welcome Putin's liberators rolling down Tennessee Street. Assuming the radiation from the mushroom clouds over Atlanta and Jacksonville don't kill me first.

What's the benefit of being allied with Russia? They're a backwords country with a shrinking and diseased population, failed economy (which will get worse as oil is phased out) which is about the size of South Korea, and dysfunctional political system.

So, a natural ally of GOP-dominated America?
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Pat Buchanan: Is secession the solution? on: Today at 04:24:46 pm
How is he going to force the blue states to keep subsidizing red states? Or is the plan to just let them continue to become 3rd world hellholes?

You know that the poorest people in "red states" - many of them Black, especially in the South - are loyal Democrats, right?  Are you just going to throw them a big "FVCK YOU!" all in the name of partisan bickering?

I'm not the one advocating secession. My gut says it's coming, though. And when it does, I'm certainly not going to support ongoing transfer payments to oppressive theocracies, which they'd hand off to corporate conspirators instead of using for social services. I publicly support and will do everything I can to assist refugees from the Confederacy - as long as there's no public record of those refugees ever having been registered Republicans, of course. We wouldn't want to be letting in a bunch of people with lots of problems, who are probably criminals and rapists who hate freedom and democracy.

10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: CNN, NYT and other outlets blocked from attending White House media briefing on: Today at 03:59:33 pm
With this move, Trump's own press secretary just admitted that his boss is a dictator.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/trump-media-white-house-sean-spicer-playbook-232769

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Theres a big difference between a campaign where it is a private venue using private funds and a government entity, Sean Spicer said Friday at a cocktails event hosted by POLITICO Playbook. We have a respect for the press when it comes to the government, that that is something that you cant ban an entity from.

He added: Thats what makes a democracy a democracy versus a dictatorship.

Nice to see they're being honest about something, I guess.

Now, when does Trump get removed from office and jailed, again?
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Next DNC Chair: Jaime Harrison drops out, endorses Perez on: Today at 03:50:51 pm
On a personal level though are any of you Bernie wing afraid that Trump didn't win over TPP but there is a "whitelash" going on an Keith would be made successfully made into a Muslim bogeyman?

Given that the visibly church-going black guy is still believed to be a Muslim by most of our brain-numbed opponents on the right, I can't see how actually having a Muslim running the DNC would affect much of anything. The idiots are going to be idiots, even if every national Dem was an old, happily-married church-going white male.
12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Next DNC Chair: Jaime Harrison drops out, endorses Perez on: Today at 03:46:05 pm
Weaver and Mook were just on MSNBC discussing the DNC election, and it's scary how out of touch with reality Mook is.

Weaver was pleading the case that the DNC needs to elect Ellison as DNC chair in order to unify the Democratic party. He also said that electing Perez would send the wrong message to progressives, and that it could fracture the Democratic party. Mook, on the other hand, was arguing that the Democratic party was already united and spewed the same canned line that "any of these candidates would be a good pick for DNC Chair."

I'll say it one more time. Electing Perez as DNC chair would be an unmitigated disaster, and it scares me that most Democratic officials can't see this.

Robby Mook needs to go away forever. In fact, he should be laughed off every national campaign going into the future.

It's like some Democrats are still living in July 2016 when Hillary was inevitable and all those evil Berniebros needed to shut up to stop Trump.

They sort-of are.

My (admittedly limited) impression is that they're simultaneously convinced that: A) Trump will be so awful, all they'll need to do for the next decade is show up to win a majority of elections and the presidency, and B) there will be no fundamental changes to America or the world in that same time span.

Idiots of Trumpian proportions.
13  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Pat Buchanan: Is secession the solution? on: Today at 03:43:02 pm
How is he going to force the blue states to keep subsidizing red states? Or is the plan to just let them continue to become 3rd world hellholes?
14  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: How many members of Congress will boycott Trump's speech? on: Today at 03:31:49 pm
Not enough.
15  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Next DNC Chair: Jaime Harrison drops out, endorses Perez on: Today at 03:30:10 pm
Weaver and Mook were just on MSNBC discussing the DNC election, and it's scary how out of touch with reality Mook is.

Weaver was pleading the case that the DNC needs to elect Ellison as DNC chair in order to unify the Democratic party. He also said that electing Perez would send the wrong message to progressives, and that it could fracture the Democratic party. Mook, on the other hand, was arguing that the Democratic party was already united and spewed the same canned line that "any of these candidates would be a good pick for DNC Chair."

I'll say it one more time. Electing Perez as DNC chair would be an unmitigated disaster, and it scares me that most Democratic officials can't see this.



Mook is a stiff who lives by data driven campaigns

The dems are going to somehow blow 2018...just watch

I don't doubt it.

They managed to blow running against a bankrupt, criminal, demented, egotistical, fake, sex maniac working with Russian intelligence. I have ZERO remaining doubts about the Democratic party's ability to screw ANYTHING up.
16  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: CPAC scrambles to control damage after attendees wave Russian flags on: Today at 03:27:44 pm
Wait, those weren't opponents of Trump intending to make him look bad?!? Is this real life?

It's just Trump's fantasy.
He didn't get a landslide,
but there's no escape from reality.
17  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: CPAC scrambles to control damage after attendees wave Russian flags on: Today at 03:25:38 pm
So do these kinds of conservatives = Russian loyalists? Do they not care about our country anymore?

They never did. They've always hated America and what it stood for. (They liked the slave-owning aristocracy of the Confederacy just fine though.)
18  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: CNN, NYT and other outlets blocked from attending White House media briefing on: Today at 03:21:41 pm
i don't even understand his selection.

there was more trump-bashing on FOX than on CNN for some time......

They'd be the ones agreeing in advance to make him look good and not threaten his pathetically fragile ego.

That would be CONTROLLED MASS MEDIA for the record.
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Quinnipiac: Americans Oppose Almost All of Trump's Proposals on: Today at 10:05:17 am
And yet we have a President Trump, a Republucan Senate, and a Republican House. So either this poll is very wrong or Democrats are even more incompetent than I imagined.

Gerrymandering, the influence of money and opinion-shaping, a poorly educated public, and yes the Dems are probably more incompetent than we can imagine. (They lost to Trump! That's proof of some pretty big incompetence right there.)
20  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: White House Asks Reports on Trump-Russia Ties to Be Knocked Down, FBI Says No on: Today at 08:55:58 am
Did these morons not realize that this would be leaked within 20 minutes?

Apparently not, because fake President Pussygrabber is currently whining about FBI leaks on twitter.

I suppose that's a good thing overall. Every minute he spends not doing the job is a minute he can't spend effing up the job. (And those appear to be the only approaches he has to it.)
21  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Sessions rescinds Sally Yates' guidance on reducing private prisons on: Today at 01:28:27 am
Meh. I have better things to worry about than who owns the local prison.

Out of sight, out of mind, right?

Yep. If prisoners suffer a bit more than they otherwise would because they're in a private prison, so be it. They probably deserve it.


May you become one, the sooner the better.
22  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Next DNC Chair: Jaime Harrison drops out, endorses Perez on: Today at 01:17:03 am
If the Democrats pick Perez, they can say goodbye to the Bernie wing. THose people won't be voting Democrat for a long time.

Who are we going to be voting for, then?

the green party.

The Greens last cycle were literally not on the ballot for 499.884 of the 500.000 odd electoral offices in the United States. There was no candidate, so you could not vote for them.


The Green Party exists to give those of us on the (far) left a feel-good option on the ballot. It has zero interest in building a real political force, nor in accomplishing anything more. It's a vanity party and I think it does more harm than good.
23  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Ted Cruz: Democratic Base is "bat-crap crazy" on: Today at 01:08:37 am
I'll take a serious lack in self awareness for 800 Alex

Nice to see the GOP is still consistent in their habits of denials and projection.
24  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Next DNC Chair: Jaime Harrison drops out, endorses Perez on: February 23, 2017, 11:38:29 pm
Oh my god, it's just a fu.cking chairman.

And the establishment won't even let us have that!

Well, they can't stop the Sanders wing from taking over state parties, which they have already started doing.  They also won't necessarily be able to stop Sanders Dems from winning congressional primaries in 2018, or maybe even the presidential primary in 2020.  They can put their thumb on the scale all they want, but in the end, it's the people who decide the important races in this country.  The Republican establishment learned that the hard way in 2016.  I think Sanders Dems need to think about the long game and the bigger picture, if capturing the party is their eventual goal.

I really don't get your point. I can be at this BS and play the long game at the same time.

I'm saying that the result of this race should not discourage Sanders Democrats because it's pretty meaningless in the larger scheme of things.  The DNC does not influence the direction of policy; state, federal, and local elections do.  If the Sanders wing wants more power, they should focus on those races.

And trust me, plenty are.

But the fact that the establishment is seemingly so unwilling to listen to the base is nothing if not discouraging.

Think of it this way: the Republican establishment didn't listen to the Republican base, and party still dominates every level of government.  Eventually, the Democratic establishment will fall in line with their voters, if moving left is the direction their voters want to go.

The Republican establishment, in the final analysis, had more in common with what their base wanted than what the opposition party wanted. I am skeptical the same will be true of the Democratic establishment.
25  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump/USA considering joining the British Commonwealth on: February 23, 2017, 06:56:49 pm
Insecure power-hungry narcissist like the idea of royalty.

/yawn

 
On the other hand, I believe there's a term of long-standing that's been used for people advocating similar ideas, "persons inimical to the liberties of America". Which would seem to describe the so-called president rather well.
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