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1  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How is Donald Trump even qualified to be president? on: Today at 09:10:34 pm
As we all know, Trump doesn't have any prior political experience.

BUT MUH PRIVATE SECTOR EXPERIENCE

You guys have to remember that Donald Trump inherited around $200 million in 1974 from daddy. That's equivalent to $800 million in 2016 numbers. Every single one of his business ventures outside of real estate have been absolute failures, and his record in real estate his mediocre at best. His business record is basically an absolute disaster. He's only wealthy because he inherited nearly $1 billion (in 2016 numbers) from daddy. He's basically a heir and a celebrity, not a businessman. He isn't a self-made billionaire (unlike Bloomberg). He also got into Wharton due to his daddy's connections and got terrible grades.

He has no real public or private sector experience.

He literally has no qualifications to be president. If he wasn't born into a rich family, he would be a college dropout working at Target right now. Why are people even taking this guy seriously? Even a mailman with no high school education is more qualified. Why is this election even close? Why isn't Donald Trump losing in a landslide?

Because, 1) a lot of people in the US are economically hurting (or scared), are disturbed by seeing the world they grew up in change drastically, and our whole system of governance is both corrupt and increasingly unable to do its basic job.

And 2), TrumpMiller is a really talented con artist who has the willing and eager cooperation of the whole dinosaur media establishment.
2  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Politico: Trump lies once every 195 seconds on: Today at 03:03:57 pm
I don't doubt that. Hillary can set a record for the amount of lies she told in her entire lifetime.

You sound angry. Are you a woman?

No. And angry women will not deliver Clinton NH.

Of course not. The voters of New Hampshire will, since a majority of them are not stupid delusional bigots.
3  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Ted Cruz to announce who he's voting for, likely Trump on: Today at 12:02:54 am
I never particularly liked Cruz but I thought he had more integrity than this. If he was going to endorse Trump, why not do it at the Convention?

Or is the prospect of Trump actually winning and helping his primary challenger the real reason behind Cruz' decision?

Doubtless Cruz folded when Trump threatened to have his father jailed and tortured for Cruz Sr's participation in the murder of President Kennedy.
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: The liberal hysteria over Trump is nearly unprecedented on: September 24, 2016, 11:56:15 pm
The media has been too kind to Trump. They treat him as if he is some sort of serious candidate - not the dangerous buffoon that he is. But what can you expect from such a vapid and supercilious group. "Journalists," especially the cable tv variety, really are to blame for this catastrophe. The whole lot of them are either too dumb - or at the least too self important - to do any real informing.

But he WAS and IS a serious candidate.  In what measure is he not?  Money?  A following?  Name recognition?  Experience in management at the highest levels? 

He's a fictional television character. He's no more rich than Tony Stark is, and has less following than Katy Perry (who would make a far better President). His experience is as an actor and salesman. His ventures into management have been disastrous. Jimmy Carter was a better business executive than than Donald Trump's actor can ever dream of being.

How ethical would it be if the media had just ignored Trump?  There has long been a call for an outsider and a businessman to run for President and Trump filled the bill.  Is it the MEDIA'S job to "weed out" candidates?  Is it the media that determines that a candidate is "serious"? 

Yes. That is precisely their job. When a lying bigoted lunatic runs for President, it is their job to point out that he is a despicable insane con-artist.

5  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: The liberal hysteria over Trump is nearly unprecedented on: September 24, 2016, 09:04:25 pm
The hysteria in the media is nowhere near what it should be. Why has every single interviewer been a complete doormat for Trump? Why will they not expose him? Because they are afraid of being considered biased. It of course gets them nowhere, as people that consider polling rigged are going to see bias whenever they come into contact with reality.

Nope. The media are doormats for TrumpMiller because they care much more about money (and the rating that create it) than they do about the public good or their own responsibilities as "journalists".

"Hillary Clinton is running against a delusional TV character who no one should vote for, ever," is a only story for a week before everyone comes to terms with her winning in November and gets on with their lives. If mainstream American media today were covering an election between FDR and (1943)Hitler, they'd throw Hitler softballs (and give equal 5-minute spots to Holocaust victims and deniers) while spending thousands of man-hours focusing on FDR's polio (and how he concealed it from the public).


If there's one lesson I've really had driven home by this cycle, it's that the media are worse than TrumpMiller.
6  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: The liberal hysteria over Trump is nearly unprecedented on: September 24, 2016, 08:38:15 pm
While we've had semi-fictional characters run for President before, we've never had one who was so completely fake. That he's a bona-fide evil dictator wanna-be who is obviously insane and grossly incompetent only makes it all worse.
7  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Gary Johnson won't fight climate change because the sun is going to explode on: September 24, 2016, 11:14:26 am
I remain ever more convinced that the purpose of the third parties is to make the mainstream candidates look good by comparison.
8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: No Fortune 100 CEOs Back Republican Donald Trump on: September 23, 2016, 09:37:35 pm
This is really amazing.  Isn't the GOP supposed to be the party of big business?

No. We are a worker's party. Big business needs to go.
Amen!

Then why are you deluded fools backing a (claimed) multibillionaire who has a decades-long history of defrauding his workers?

9  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump might of committed perjury...... on: September 23, 2016, 09:31:59 pm

This is just another reason, along with his Trump organization having ties all around the world that would make his Presidency totally complicated and conflicted, to keep the guy out of the office of President.

He comes with so much baggage that he makes Hillary look angelic by comparison.

It's beyond my ability to comprehend why some people "hate" Hillary and would rather see Trump in office, when he is a totally polarizing, divisive, politically ignorant, lying, cheating, con-man buffoon. 

Because they are hateful, oppressive, ignorant, delusional, stupid liars themselves, and hope to lord it over others when their cult leader comes to power.
10  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Ted Cruz to announce who he's voting for, likely Trump on: September 23, 2016, 09:22:47 pm
Really great news!  I commend Cruz for getting over their personal differences.  I probably agree with him much more than I agree with Trump on policy, but Trump's our nominee, and he is so much better than Crooked Hillary Secretary Clinton.  We need all Republicans to reunite to make sure Secretary Hillary Clinton never becomes President of the United States.
Our leaders and former leaders deserve our respect, even when they do ethically and morally objectionable things...
and yes republicans should unite....for now
and rid ourselves of Trump in 2020 (if he even runs for reelection)

Just like the Germans were going to get rid of Hitler in March 1933, Oedipus?

11  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will Trump call Clinton "crooked Hillary" on the debate stage? on: September 22, 2016, 09:08:26 pm
Will Trump call Clinton "crooked Hillary" on the debate stage?

No clue. It's difficult to predict the actions of a stupid, self-absorbed madman.
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Military Times poll of active duty troops: Trump +1...over Johnson on: September 22, 2016, 12:27:42 am
Trump is in 3rd place amongst active duty officers?

Makes sense considering active duty officers are one of the groups that Trump has insulted most explicitly.

Is it bad that at this point I think a military coup would be (while terrible) still preferable to a TrumpMiller presidency?
13  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: What could plausibly come out and actually damage Trump? on: September 22, 2016, 12:26:07 am
This week especially has been a sh**t storm for him. I fully expect him to tank in polls next week (in line with the most recent national polling), and to tank even further after an obliteration at the debates. After that, he will be a ghost candidate with just a couple of weeks to go.

I truly hope you're right.

I fear that America will actually elect TrumpMiller, and then get the results it deserves for such a decision.
14  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: HuffPo: Trump Reverses on Birtherism Declaration on: September 22, 2016, 12:24:04 am
Donald Trump doesn't have any honor or respect for the American people. He is a real piece of scum.

Why are you insulting scum by comparing it to the fat, stupid and delusional orange fascist?
15  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Celebrity endorsement megathread on: September 21, 2016, 09:34:28 pm
This could be deadly to the Trump campaign. Nothing is more likely to put a stop to one fictional candidate, than a different and more popular fictional candidate.
16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: What could plausibly come out and actually damage Trump? on: September 21, 2016, 07:34:29 am
I'm not quite so pessimistic as the OP. I think all the things listed will have a small but significant effect over time. The OP talks about "grinding away Clinton's support" but I think these things will grind away at Trump's support, especially now he seems to have lost the media thanks to the Trump Hotel fiasco.

But, yeah, if anything causes a sudden drop in his support it'll be the debates.

Unlike Hillary's support, Trumps supporters are REAL and actually believes in the candidate.
I guess I'm not a person, then. Please outline for me Trump's policies, I'd be curious as to why someone would support them.

TrumpMillers "policy" of ignoring reality is very attractive to voters who also find reality, and real solutions to problems facing the nation, unpalatable.
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Would Gov. George Wallace Have Endorsed Donald Trump? on: September 20, 2016, 09:26:53 pm
Would he?

Nah, Wallace was too smart, classy and liberal to endorse Trump.
18  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: NYT: Trump camp has yet to allocate their promised $ to GOTV in FL on: September 20, 2016, 08:23:58 am
His ego wants him to win but you can likely bet he doesn't want to govern. Makes you wonder if he's just trying to secretly throw it and then blame it on corruption and Clinton fraud.

That is his ideal scenario. He can even go around callling himself "the duly elected President of the United States" and never need to do a bit of work, or own any responsibility.
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump: terror suspects shouldn't get Due Process, or medical treatment! on: September 19, 2016, 11:56:10 pm
Donald Trump is too stupid to understand law, or government.

It's going to come as a big shock when he comes up against a legal challenge he can't bribe his way out of. If he's president by then, it'll probably end in a Constitutional Crisis at the least.
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Does Donald Trump want to repeal the First Amendment? on: September 19, 2016, 10:57:14 pm
Donald Trump has a long history of problems with First Amendment people.  All indications are that he believes these protections should be abolished.  The only way he can get through his Muslim travel ban, or restrictions on speech that #trigger him, would be to repeal the First Amendment.  Currently, the only thing standing between his cultists and his protestors is the First Amendment.  Don't you think this will be a key priority of a Trump administration?

Donald Trump is too stupid to know what "repeal" means.

If elected he'll certainly ignore the First Amendment, along with the rest of the Constitution, and the whole body of US federal law.
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Exclusive: George H.W. Bush to vote for Hillary on: September 19, 2016, 10:55:23 pm
Nobody finds it troubling all these neocons lining up behind her? They seem very comfortable with her FP decisions Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen etc.

I find it extremely troubling. And if Trump weren't a fictional tv character who spends all his time dog-whistling about race war and assassinating his opponent in between ranting about ending the Constitution and launching illegal wars of aggression to seize resources, maybe he could use it to his advantage.
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who will win in most of the first post-debate flash polls? on: September 19, 2016, 09:51:57 pm
Kind of shocked of how many are confident of a Trump win.

All he has to do is not lash out, provide a decent zinger or two, and he'll be declared the winner. Doesn't matter how well Hillary does on policy, debates are mostly about soundbites.

I think he also needs to not provide any awful soundbites of his own.

Ideally, the debate will spawn a meme along the lines of:

Donald Trump is so stupid, he thinks successful businessmen are supposed to go bankrupt.

Or:

Donald Trump so stupid, he thinks Spain is in South America.
23  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton piles up on research in bid to KO Trump at debate on: September 19, 2016, 07:29:01 pm
Expectations are very low for Trump.  If he can string together a few (not many) coherent sentences, not drool too much, and not call Hillary Clinton a "cunt" or a "bitch", he will probably be declared the victor.

The standards are very different for the candidates, obviously.  Hillary Clinton is expected to stay calm, sit there and take it while Donald Trump lies about every topic that they will discuss.  Donald Trump will be given extra credit just for using words in the right order.
24  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump: people who say "freedom of speech!" are "foolish people" on: September 19, 2016, 06:13:27 pm
There does come a point where speech becomes conduct.  I'm loathe to invoke this principle in general, but there are times when it does apply.

If Congress officially declared war on various jihadist groups, spreading their propaganda would, under our Constitution, with no changes needed, rise to the level of Treason.



Such as a Presidential candidate who openly opposes the Constitution? If you want to claim that the fat orange fascist is already guilty of treason, I won't argue with you.
25  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: HuffPo: Trump Brags About Bombing Attacks in NYC on: September 19, 2016, 01:54:31 pm
He did call it, and everybody knows it.

Completely unforeseen ..... and such a difficult thing to predict.
Who would have thought ?
Just like someone saying "There will be another (mass) shooting at a school or college sometime in our future."

I predict Trump will say something callous and stupid.
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