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1  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Ohio legislature votes to make abortion illegal after 6 weeks on: December 07, 2016, 10:49:48 pm
keep telling us the war on women isn't real, guys

My position on abortion would be the same if men got pregnant instead of women.
a bizarre non sequitur, even by your standards

How is protecting babies a war on women?

The GOP has zero interest in "protecting babies". It has a vested interest in keeping pregnant women pregnant, nothing more. The moment a child is BORN the GOP ceases to give a damn about it.
2  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump says US Intel was politically motivated on: December 07, 2016, 10:43:13 pm
Would " they don't want to see an insane evil idiot easily manipulated by Russia elected President" count as a "political motive"?
3  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Transition Team/Cabinet Thread on: December 07, 2016, 05:29:42 pm
I keep telling people not to normalize Pussygraber. These are all terrible picks for the nation and the world, some of them even more grossly unqualified than President-elect Pussygrabber himself.

Buckle your seatbelts, or get on a plane out, because its only going to get worse from here.
4  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump speaks with the President of Taiwan, risking rift with China on: December 06, 2016, 10:57:03 pm
Trump tweets in response to the controversy:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/805538149157969924
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/805539770864693253

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Did China ask us if it was OK to devalue their currency (making it hard for our companies to compete), heavily tax our products going into their country (the U.S. doesn't tax them) or to build a massive military complex in the middle of the South China Sea?  I don't think so!


It seems like Trump is trying to intentionally instigate international conflicts. Hopefully he fails miserably and crashes the economy

I seem to remember another populist, rant-prone politician with fanatical followers who didn't have any sort of popular majority, and liked to demonize minorities, provoke conflicts with other nations and thought he was smarter than all the professionals. The sooner Pussygrabber gets to how the story ends, the better.

Trump has never demonized minorities.

5  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump Announces SoftBank to Invest $50 Billion, create 50,000 American Jobs on: December 06, 2016, 10:54:45 pm
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Softbank said on Nov. 7, the day before the U.S. election, it planned to make future large-scale investments via the $100 billion tech fund, rather than on its own, to avoid growing already bloated debt.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-softbank-idUKKBN13V2LG
So basically this was going to happen anyway, but Trump is going to take credit.  Get used to this folks.

Just wait until the eclipse next year, when he'll take credit for bringing the sun back.

If only we could throw him into a volcano after his time as God-King Pussygrabber comes to and end. (Although really, I think he'll die, quit, or get impeached before 4 years are up.)
6  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump and United Technologies reach agreement to keep Carrier jobs in Indiana on: December 06, 2016, 09:29:58 am
"730 union jobs saved in Carrier deal - not 1,100"

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The Carrier deal, brokered by President-elect Donald Trump, may not have saved as many factory jobs as was presented at the plant last week in Indianapolis.

Carrier workers received a flyer from the United Steelworkers, Local Union 1999. It details which jobs are staying here in Indy and which are going to Mexico. The numbers are a bit different from last week's big announcement.

"We didn't know the breakdown before because no one would give us any information," Union President Chuck Jones told Eyewitness News by phone Monday. "Now what we're losing is 550 member jobs."

"We found out today that more jobs are leaving than what we originally thought," Bray said. "It seemed like since Thursday, it was 1,100 then it was maybe 900 and then now we're at 700. So I'm hoping it doesn't go any lower than that."

Union workers got a letter at the plant saying Trump's deal with Carrier will save only 730 factory jobs in Indianapolis, plus 70 salaried positions - 553 jobs in the plant's fan coil lines are still moving to Monterrey, Mexico.

All 700 workers at Carrier's Huntington plant will also lose their jobs.

http://www.wthr.com/article/usw-730-union-jobs-saved-in-carrier-deal-not-1100
7  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: TIME Person of the Year on: December 05, 2016, 10:24:31 pm
How can it be anyone other than the President-elect?

Time's editors want to poke his fragile ego and see what happens?

Perhaps they could give it to Ryan? :-)
8  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump expands search for Secretary of State on: December 05, 2016, 07:28:17 pm
The easiest explanation here is that Trump simply has no idea what he wants in a Secretary of State and never really has.

Oh, he probably has an idea what he wants, it's just different from what he wanted yesterday, or the day before that, or the week before that.
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Why would anybody even want to be Secretary of State in Trump administration? on: December 05, 2016, 07:27:15 pm
If it's going to be so horrible, why do you want Mittens to get the job so bad?

I no longer believe Romney should take the job.

I believe whoever gets the post will be on a collision course eventually with Trump, unless the Secretary is a complete yes man or yes woman.

This applies to the entire Trump Cabinet. Dude, the man is incapable of accepting dissent of any kind.

But is he smart enough to recognize it without having his face shoved in it? Someone who fawned and flattered Trump and then actually did whatever they wanted might go far in the Pussygrabber Administration.
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump speaks with the President of Taiwan, risking rift with China on: December 05, 2016, 07:25:21 pm
Trump tweets in response to the controversy:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/805538149157969924
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/805539770864693253

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Did China ask us if it was OK to devalue their currency (making it hard for our companies to compete), heavily tax our products going into their country (the U.S. doesn't tax them) or to build a massive military complex in the middle of the South China Sea?  I don't think so!


It seems like Trump is trying to intentionally instigate international conflicts. Hopefully he fails miserably and crashes the economy

I seem to remember another populist, rant-prone politician with fanatical followers who didn't have any sort of popular majority, and liked to demonize minorities, provoke conflicts with other nations and thought he was smarter than all the professionals. The sooner Pussygrabber gets to how the story ends, the better.
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Should California be allowed to secede from the union? on: December 05, 2016, 07:19:44 pm
I think every State should have the right to secede. But there needs to be a clear desire by the people in that State for secession. It would have to be done by referendum and need something like 2/3 or 3/4 of the votes to be in favor of it to go through. I don't like the idea of a State seceding by a 50.01%-49.99% vote.
12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Why would anybody even want to be Secretary of State in Trump administration? on: December 05, 2016, 06:10:07 pm
Why would anybody even want to be Secretary of State in the Trump administration?

The same reasons people rush into burning buildings or dive into dangerous water to try and rescue people. A mix of honest desire to help those facing dire danger, and maybe some desire to be a hero, and sometimes the thrill of it.
13  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump blasting China about military in South China Sea on Twitter on: December 05, 2016, 02:03:56 pm
Thankfully, reports say that Trump will soon have to hand his personal twitter account to the Secret Service.

SAD!
Trump tweeted the following earlier today

"If the press would cover me accurately and honorably, I would have far less reason to "tweet". Sadly I don't know if that will ever happen!"

How I understand this is that the press have been calling on him to give up twitter because they don't like the way he can communicate with the public unfiltered by the press. He's saying here that if the press don't give him the opportunity to do the same on their platforms, which he realises they won't do, then he'll carry on using social media.

In other words he's say to his detractors in the media "If you don't like me tweeting too bad, you'll just have to get used to it for the next four to eight years".

If "his detractors in the media" had covered him "fairly and honorably" he would have been out of the race last fall.
14  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Transition Team/Cabinet Thread on: December 05, 2016, 02:01:06 pm
What will happen next on this special season of The Cabinet Apprentice?

15  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Will Trump be a better president than George W. Bush? on: December 05, 2016, 11:48:12 am
Only if he manages to get killed, or die from ill health in <3 years.
16  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump expands search for Secretary of State on: December 05, 2016, 11:47:15 am
Still hopping that John Bolton gets the SOS job.

Rudi for secretary of homeland.

I can see how that would fit with the "evil and stupid" theme President-elect Pussygrabber seems to be going for, but I don't think they're nearly rich enough.
17  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump blasting China about military in South China Sea on Twitter on: December 05, 2016, 11:26:36 am
Well, the problem is not that he’s tweeting, the problem is that once again the facts tell otherwise (except the military base). The tax claim is false as is the devaluation. However, he’s right that it is outrageous that China wants to forbid the president-elect a phone call.

No one is "forbidding" him anything. It's just that he's demonstrating either reckless judgement, or a mix gross ignorance and stupidity (or all of the above), and then compounding it by whining like the petulant man-child he is. None of which should come as any surprise.

But they criticized him, which is unacceptable in my judgement. I don’t like the Trumpster at all, but on that one thing he’s not wrong. Picking up a call from the Republic of China is a legitimate thing considering the fact that there are non-official relations with the US on several issues, including military cooperation.

18  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump blasting China about military in South China Sea on Twitter on: December 05, 2016, 10:02:29 am
Well, the problem is not that he’s tweeting, the problem is that once again the facts tell otherwise (except the military base). The tax claim is false as is the devaluation. However, he’s right that it is outrageous that China wants to forbid the president-elect a phone call.

No one is "forbidding" him anything. It's just that he's demonstrating either reckless judgement, or a mix gross ignorance and stupidity (or all of the above), and then compounding it by whining like the petulant man-child he is. None of which should come as any surprise.
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: The Religious Right and Trump's Victory on: December 04, 2016, 09:15:59 pm
To quote the man's favorite President: "You can fool all of the people some of the time."

When it comes to Evangelicals, I think you meant "you can fool some of the people all of the time".
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: The Religious Right and Trump's Victory on: December 04, 2016, 09:12:38 pm
Do the Jesus voters even have that much influence anymore? More and more people are becoming irreligious, thanks in large part to the repeated hypocrisy of the so-called "born again evangelical conservative Christian" Republicans who have exploited religion for their own personal gains. It's hard to take them seriously when they preach about the "sanctity of marriage" and then get caught committing adultery, or they call themselves "pro-life" but they pay for abortions for the women in their lives.

One good thing about Trump's election and the evangelicals who supported him is that their hypocrisy has been validated. They've collectively determined that in order to be an "evangelical," you must vote Republican regardless of whom the nominee is. Forget the fact that Trump owns casinos (as many evangelicals believe gambling is a sin) and let's just ignore #Pussygate and who cares that Trump was pro-choice up until he decided to run as a Republican and then pulled a Romney and flip-flopped. Yeah, I'd say the days of the evangelicals calling the shots in the GOP are long gone. No longer can they preach the sanctity of marriage when they've supported a twice-divorced greedy plutocrat (but I guess to them, the only way one can be forgiven for those sins is to be a Republican. If you're a Democrat, you must be subjected to all the fire and brimstone eternal damnation pits of Hell rapture because Democrats support baby killing and homosexuals destroying "traditional marriage," whatever that means).

Give me a break.

You're trying to apply logic and reason to people (using the term very broadly) who think the Earth is 6000 years old and global warming is hoax. THEY DON'T CARE. All their religion is to them is an excuse to believe what they want to believe, and do what they want to do. Jesus H. Christ could descend from Heaven, backed up by the thundering voice of the Lord Almighty and say "be nice to you fellow man, and don't vote Republican" and they'd go shoot some people with different skin color or who speak a different language and then go rape some women before voting straight R. And then they'd spend the next six weeks repeating whatever excuse Rush Limbaugh and Trump fed them.
21  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump speaks with the President of Taiwan, risking rift with China on: December 03, 2016, 03:42:35 am
Trump is doubling-down on Taiwan on Twitter, sounding like a internet troll who just took his first class in international politics, while the Chinese FM calls it a "cheap shot" by Taiwan to manipulate Trump into blundering (sounds like they're implying they know Trump is an ignoramus, and implying Taiwan was mean to Trump by baiting him into this and going over his head). Trump is already a laughing stock. At least it's better than China doing something rash in response.

The 'elites' have been calling Trump a laughing stock since his escalator ride to destiny.

He has since defeated the GOP establishment, the Dem establishment, the Bush machine, the Clinton machine, and the industrial media complex. One day they might learn to stop underestimating his as a bumbling buffoon. They think Trump is an ideologue, when the truth couldn't be any further.

Trump is a conarpragmatist of the highest order. If you want to understand him, you have to understand that he is first and foremost a business conman, thinks like a businessconman, and will use any means necessary to come out on top. He's not a politician and he doesn't care how the 'game' is supposed to be played.

Trump doesn't care about these social/political norms that all politicianscivilized human beings are supposed to follow, where even the president has an expected part to play. Instead he sees a goal he wants to accomplish, and then does what is necessary to accomplish it. He doesn't maneuver the chess pieces; he flips the board off the table completely. And the 'elites' have no idea how to respond.

I was correcting it for you, but I had to stop there, because you just (correctly) described President-elect Pussygrabber as the punchline of a joke:


Pussygrabber is the ultimate example of the Dunning-Kruger effect, and also of the person who runs out in front of the band with a baton and then think they're leading the parade.
22  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump speaks with the President of Taiwan, risking rift with China on: December 02, 2016, 10:50:01 pm
Was this a blunder? Yes. Could it have serious ramifications for our relationship with China and stability in East Asia? Quite possibly. Yet, the current Chinese regime is a menace. It's an oppressive, exploitative dictatorship that silences dissent, kills and jails opponents, consistently violates basic human rights, abuses Tibet and its Muslim minority in the west, and is building up its military and economic power. This is not a country we should be rewarding with lucrative trade deals and any form of friendliness. I'm the last person who'd want a war, but I also don't want our country contributing to the continued existence of this awful regime. Taiwan should be given more recognition and preference until China can clean up its act.

Relax and stop worrying. After four years of President Pussygrabber and his merry band, we won't be China's moral superior anymore and can trade with them in good conscience.
23  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump calls the President of Taiwan, risking rift with China on: December 02, 2016, 10:44:29 pm
Yeah. Unwittingly, he's just made one of the greatest US foreign policy achievements of the past 50 years.

You don't have any qualms with the president of the united states unwittingly implementing foreign policy? That doesn't bother at you at all? How long do you think that kind of bumbling leadership is going to pay dividends for America?
Trump's open hostility towards China was one of my primary reasons for supporting him, so I was kind of hoping this would happen. I know I will not be happy with everything he does as President, but I pray for him and hope that he surrounds himself with good people who can help him deliver "victories" for America to restore our self-esteem just like Ronald Reagan did in the 1980s.

You want dead marines, secret deals with the Iranians, random airstrikes in Africa, ignorance of a public health crisis, the popularization of an ineffective and damaging War Against Noun, and the invasion of a tiny nation in Latin America, all under the aegis of an aging and demented actor?

You may be in luck! Those all seem to be within Trump's level of competence
24  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Lewandowski Says NYT’s Dean Baquet ‘Should Be in Jail’ for Publishing Trump Tax on: December 02, 2016, 09:09:03 pm
Pussygrabber didn't run for President, and won't accept the job? Great news!
25  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump calls the President of Taiwan, risking rift with China on: December 02, 2016, 06:05:25 pm
Smiley I hope we give recognition to the ROC

How about not creating a giant rift with a vital trading partner and powerful force on the global stage. This kind of thing is incredibly risky and should not be done without massive consideration of the consequences.

If America collectively cared about consequences, we would not have elected President Pussygrabber.
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