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1  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will Rubio's "let's dispel with this fiction" gaffe become his "Oops" moment? on: Today at 08:48:52 pm
What makes this a gaffe?

Agreed, in this electorate it seems like reversing Hanlon's Razor gets further than obeying it...this seems especially true with the Republican base.


No, I'm actually in the dark about this. I watched the debate, heard the "Obama bad on purpose" vs. "Obama bad by accident" argument, thought nothing about it at the time or since, and then came here like an hour ago, and there are all sorts of comments about how Rubio said this thing which is going to ruin his campaign. What is the argument that this is a gaffe? That he gave Obama credit for not being clueless, even if it was still a form of criticism?

The gaffe is that he repeated the exact same canned response, more than once, while Christie was criticizing him for being a Washington do-nothing who can't do anything but repeat canned responses.
2  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How pathetic will this board look on tuesday night when rubio comes in 2nd? on: Today at 04:44:49 pm
Not nearly as pathetic as Trump's whining after he lost Iowa by being an egotistical, bullying coward.
3  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will Rubio's "let's dispel with this fiction" gaffe become his "Oops" moment? on: Today at 09:57:25 am
What helps Rubio, if anything, is that unlike Perry's 'oops', Rubio's stuff-up needs to be explained and given context.

It can be chopped down to a brutal 2-minute youtube clip without losing any impact.
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Does Christie's performance tonight give him the big mo' in New Hampshire? on: Today at 12:20:36 am
I don't think he gave himself momentum, he just reversed Rubio's.
5  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will Rubio implode? on: Today at 12:19:39 am
This debate will have little effect if any on Rubio's momentum. People overestimate the importance of these debates.

Generally, yes. But this has a good shot at sticking. Take a look:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3k7EWUwTC04

That, and variations of it, are going to be around as long as someone runs ads against Rubio.

Trump owes Rubio - if it wasn't for "Marco" putting his foot in it, the highlight would be Trump trying to shut up Bush about the little old ladies whose houses Trump tried to steal and turn into parking lots.
6  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: ABC Manchester, NH GOP debate @8pm ET **live commentary thread** on: February 06, 2016, 10:46:32 pm
Does Cruz get a rebuttal on Trump's closing statement?


He doesn't need one. The audience's disapproval should be enough.

He'll be lucky to get 75% of his poll numbers.
7  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who lost the ABC debate? on: February 06, 2016, 10:37:37 pm
Trump.

Both he and Rubio got hit badly early on, but Rubio rallied. Trump didn't. And Trump's was self-inflicted, which is arguably worse.
8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: ABC Manchester, NH GOP debate @8pm ET **live commentary thread** on: February 06, 2016, 10:28:46 pm
NOW RUBIO'S BACK!!!

Yeah, he's got a really good stump speech memorized there.
9  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: ABC Manchester, NH GOP debate @8pm ET **live commentary thread** on: February 06, 2016, 10:11:55 pm
LOL. Christie lies about the nurse who's suing him.
10  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: ABC Manchester, NH GOP debate @8pm ET **live commentary thread** on: February 06, 2016, 10:10:58 pm
Can somebody summarize this for me?

Trump insulted the audience and got booed 5 times in under 2 minutes, Jeb beat Trump down on eminent domain, Rubio got UTTERLY DESTROYED by Christie and Kasich is happy drunk

I missed the Rubio-Christie exchange. What was the topic?
Christie called out Rubio for being able to do nothing other than reciting his stump speech.  Rubio responded by reciting a stump speech.  Rubio got booed a lot.

He recited his stump speech three times. It was not a good moment for Rubio.

Also, it's now impossible to watch Rubio talk without realizing it's a canned stump speech.
Yes, it's why the exchange with Christie was so damaging. It's defining, and true.  (Or close enough to true for the barbs to stick.)

(Good answer on Islam, though, excellent answer from a Republican in this primary season. It'll probably cost him votes.)
11  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: ABC Manchester, NH GOP debate @8pm ET **live commentary thread** on: February 06, 2016, 10:07:35 pm
And Trump declines to answer the question in favor of fellating police unions.
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: ABC Manchester, NH GOP debate @8pm ET **live commentary thread** on: February 06, 2016, 10:05:33 pm
Can somebody summarize this for me?

Trump insulted the audience and got booed 5 times in under 2 minutes, Jeb beat Trump down on eminent domain, Rubio got UTTERLY DESTROYED by Christie and Kasich is happy drunk

I missed the Rubio-Christie exchange. What was the topic?
Christie called out Rubio for being able to do nothing other than reciting his stump speech.  Rubio responded by reciting a stump speech.  Rubio got booed a lot.

He recited his stump speech three times. It was not a good moment for Rubio.
13  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: ABC Manchester, NH GOP debate @8pm ET **live commentary thread** on: February 06, 2016, 09:15:23 pm
If you don't think Trump won that exchange then you have no idea what you're talking about
Trump won the exchange, from the perspective of people who already support him. That's a group with a fairly low ceiling, as we saw in Iowa.

With people who don't already support him, the people he needs to win over, that was not a good exchange.
14  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: ABC Manchester, NH GOP debate @8pm ET **live commentary thread** on: February 06, 2016, 09:11:20 pm
I cannot believe how much of an ASSH**E Trump is being.
He is attacking the people in the audience, which in essence is attacking the voter of N.H.
I would not doubt if he comes in 2nd or 3rd in Tuesday's primary.
Idiot.

Not at all. Trump's base != people who go to these things.

Right. New Hampshire primary voters are not Trump's base. Which is why he's going to come in well under expectations, again.
15  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: ABC Manchester, NH GOP debate @8pm ET **live commentary thread** on: February 06, 2016, 08:35:17 pm
Holy shinks this is amazing...are we witnessing the death of Rubio?

He needs to stop digging.
16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: ABC Manchester, NH GOP debate @8pm ET **live commentary thread** on: February 06, 2016, 08:19:50 pm
I think Carson didnt hear his name and didnt get the clue that he missed his spot.

Too many downers before the debate?
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: ABC Manchester, NH GOP debate @8pm ET **live commentary thread** on: February 06, 2016, 07:36:15 pm
This is going to be brutal for Mannequin Marco.

More or less brutal than it's going to be for coward, loser, and whiner Trump?
18  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Strategy: How does Hillary beat Rubio? on: February 05, 2016, 01:27:51 pm
By dropping the mic and walking away from his bleeding, battered corpse after every debate?
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hassan: "Clinton will win New Hampshire" on: February 05, 2016, 09:36:36 am
In terms of delegates maybe ...

NH has 24 delegates + 8 superdelegates (of which 6 are already for Hillary).

It's most likely that the pledged delegates split 15-9. With the superdelegates it would be a 15-15 tie, with 2 SD remaining (and they could go to Clinton too).
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16-16 would be a "Clinton win". (Let's just hope that Hillary's team is smart enough to realize that 269-269 in the electoral college is NOT a "Clinton win".)
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will Obama signing the TPP hurt Hillary's campaign? on: February 05, 2016, 01:03:44 am
The way I see it, Obama has wedged Hillary into a corner here. She has come out against TPP and has been accused of flip-flopping for it, but she has also run basically as Obama's third term. I don't see her being able to manuver between the issues on this, but I might be wrong; she might just not get called on it.

She'll probably come out in support of it after the primary. It hurts her image because she's clearly flip flopped on this (and may even do so again) but I'm not sure how much people care about the TPP.

People care about it a great deal. And more will care if Trump makes it a talking point. (Sad but true.)

If she flips on the TPP after winning the nomination, I WILL NOT vote for her, no matter what. I suspect that it will be the proverbial straw for many on the far left. (And she's going to need those votes, I think.)
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How should the Cruz delegates be apportioned? on: February 04, 2016, 06:43:23 pm
With more damning evidence emerging each day that the Cruz campaign stole Iowa by intentionally misleading voters, the inevitable question arises: how should his delegates be apportioned?

Well, after throw the entirety of Congress in jail for "intentionally misleading voters", and once all the past presidents and congresscritters have been rounded up and tried, I suppose we can start in on current candidates.
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Ex-NAACP leader Ben Jealous to endorse Sanders on: February 04, 2016, 06:39:38 pm
Ofcourse look at the replies from Hillary hacks.

Welcome move, but much more needed. Hillary is hugely ahead in the African American community. I am not worried about the Latino community. IMO that won't be a problem, but blacks  - Sanders is too far behind in a Democrat process to be considered viable.

26 days til Super Tuesday when Hillary will obliterate him.

3 days since Iowa, where Hillary was supposed to obliterate him.
23  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary: "That's what they offered." on: February 04, 2016, 03:12:16 pm
This bullsh-t about being bought by corporations is really starting to get me riled up. I think Clinton could quite honestly put it down easily.

1) I have never let my political work be swayed by big money.

2) I am running on a progressive agenda that I've believed in and tried to forward for my entire life. I want to make change happen, and to do that, I need to get my message to as many people as possible. I also need to win. So you know what, I'll take whatever money I can get, because I want to make a difference. I don't and won't let it change the way I stand up for my beliefs.

3) It just so happens that corporations often donate to the people they think will win. I'm fortunate to be doing pretty well so far. They want a president who will be on their side, and because I'm doing so well, I guess I might look like a sensible investment. But read my lips: If I am president, we will go after the big banks and the lobbyists. We will tackle campaign finance reform. They can keep donating, but I've made myself pretty clear.

End of story.
1) is just begging for a list of donations to the Clinton foundation next to list of her decisions as Sec. State. No matter what the truth might be, it will look awful.

2) National health care will "never, ever come to pass".

3)Clinton promised us, and promised them, and promises that she's lying to one group.
24  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: "Moderate" Rubio attacks Obama for speaking at a mosque on: February 03, 2016, 09:13:57 pm
I can't wait until TRUMP is president and this fascist is deported back to Cuba.

Why would Trump deport a fascist?

He hates competition.
25  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: SANTORUM FOR RUBIO on: February 03, 2016, 08:15:06 pm
Well Rubio did say Jesus a lot, and that seems to be how deep most Republucan "Christianity" goes.
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