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1  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Saudi Arabia General Discussion Thread: Dark Salman Rises on: June 26, 2017, 05:04:38 pm
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As Al Jazeera America tried asking Trump a Q tonight, he said, "you guys are out of business!" and moved on.



That's assuring.

Trump helping to destabilize the Middle East because he doesn't like the coverage he got from Al Jazeera seems par for the course.
2  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Kislyak Recalled to Russia on: June 26, 2017, 04:26:32 pm
I guess they figured that Trump's strings are so easy to pull, there was no need to appont Anna Chapman.
3  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Liberals...do you realize Trump is "winning"? on: June 26, 2017, 04:23:54 pm
Whether or not Trump is "winning" depends on what you mean.

If you mean lining his pockets (with amounts that should be irrelevant pocket change to a real multi-billionaire), constantly angering ther Left and geitting his ego even more inflated, while not being impeached (yet) then sure, he's "winning".

If you mean how's he doing as a President, there is no way being on a trajectory that can be described as an average of Hoover, Carter, and Buchanan is winning.

4  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Chris Murphy - Russia Distraction hurting Dems, focus should be on the economy on: June 26, 2017, 08:33:55 am
It's good that they have started lining up the excuses for the next series of election losses this early.  It will give them to time to ferret out the good ones.

It's so funny, but also so true.

I don't think the Dems should abandon the very real issue of Russian interference in the election, nor should they cease supporting investigations into past and present unconstitutional and criminal actions by Trump and individuals in his campaign and administrattion. Honestly, I think they should be doing more to drive home the point that Trump is a bresident with no credibility, until the understanding that Trump is an insane, pathological liar and incompetent idiot who is unfit for the office he hold becomes accepted across the entire spectrum of American politics.

At the same time, that will never be accomplished solely by investigating his ties to Russian criminals and/or government. Nor will it be achieved by an endless series of over-hyped outrages of the week over Trump's personal failures. They need to recognize that when it comes to future political wins, his political and executive failings are far more important than his personal failings, no matter how deplorable a human being he may be. To that end, yes, there does need to be an energetic, ongoing, targeted effort on the economy.

If and when Trump is going down hard, it's not going to be dbecause he's a jackass who cancels a White House dinner during Ramadan. He's going to be defeated because he's a stupid tool who is bad for America.

5  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Ralph Nader: The Democrats are unable to defend the US on: June 25, 2017, 11:16:51 pm
No, third parties like in 2000 and in 16 took away the Dems chances for victory, that's the fact.

Why were those elections so close anyway? And why were many likely Democratic voters so willing to cast their vote for a third party? Obviously, it was because the Democratic candidate was uninspiring.

You know, i would be ok with this if this election had been Rubio vs Clinton or Jeb vs Clinton. But this excuse doesn't fly when the GOP nominee is Donald ****ing Trump.

You can thank the Hiillary campaign and the DNC for elevating "pied piper" Donald Trump.

I'm not sure that helping to hype Trump would have been *that* bad an idea, IF Hillary had either been able to present herself as a average-quality candidate, or if she'd helmed an average campaign. When she turned out poorly as both and candidate and campaigner, and Trump stole the GOP's crop of the desperate and the foolish to found his own little cult, it all went to pieces.
6  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Kennedy retires, Roe is overruled then what? on: June 25, 2017, 08:53:05 am
It would be one more step in the march towards breakup of the United States.
7  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: President Trump now recognizes Russian interference in bizarre Tweetstorm on: June 25, 2017, 12:13:02 am
 Trump acknowledging reality is so rare, that it's a major story when it happens.
8  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Prominent Democratic fundraisers realign to lobby for Trump's agenda on: June 23, 2017, 11:54:11 pm
but you idiots keep supporting this rigged system by voting for the lesser of two evils.

True. Normally I don't, but with the choice between giving the power of the Presidency to either 'establishment hack' or 'deranged idiot' I thought 'establishment hack' was pretty strongly preferable. (Enough so that I wondered then and now if the whole thing was supposed to be a setup to teach us to be grateful for sell-out Dem presidents.)

And if you have a reasonable plan for getting rid of the rigged system that isn't accompanied by high-probability, extremely-damaging failure modes, please share. (Although for the record, I find both the Libertarians and Greens to be worse than useless.)
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Donald Trump, President, Business Mogul on: June 23, 2017, 11:40:46 pm
Neither.

Trump wants to be a celebrity. Both his business and political careers are means to that end.
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Prominent Democratic fundraisers realign to lobby for Trump's agenda on: June 23, 2017, 04:49:55 pm
One party masquerading as two.

No matter who's elected, only one group benefits - the rich and well connected.

In theory, a more competent administration than Trump's would be better -or less bad- for the country as a whole, even if corrupt and owned by the superrich. But between the Clinton campaign and the pathetic responses to Trump (not special election losses) I'm more skeptical than ever of the Dems own abilities.
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Nebraska Democratic Official; "I'm glad Scalise was shot" on: June 23, 2017, 03:01:39 pm
It is shocking (if welcome) to see a major party give a prominent official the boot after making such a deplorable statement.
12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump tweets there are no tapes on: June 23, 2017, 08:08:00 am
So does this not make the tweet attempted intimidation of a witness?

Sure seems like that's what the crook-in-chief is confessing to.
Trump Says Comey’s ‘Story May Have Changed’ After Tape Threat
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-23/trump-says-comey-s-story-may-have-changed-after-tape-threat


13  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump: "I don't want poor people in my cabinet" on: June 22, 2017, 09:44:09 pm
Thanks for the 2018 ad Donald-DCCC

Meh, making an ad of this would be a waste of money.

Nope. Dems need to run with this. Put together a vicious attack ad with this in it. Letting this slide would be a wasted opportunity

Please, don't.

Running against the stupid and evil things Trump says doesn't really work, and a great many of his supporters don't care.

Run against the stupid and evil things Trump does, that hurt a great many of his supporters or issues they care about.
14  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump: "I don't want poor people in my cabinet" on: June 22, 2017, 05:31:27 pm
I would hire someone economically successful to be a economic secretary if I were POTUS. I don't see the problem.

Because "have wealthy and well-connected parents, go to Ivy League schools, then work on Wall Street" isn't readily transferable to an $18 trillion dollar economy of 325 million people.
Any success is still success imo unless it's just flat-out ripping people off

You're congratulating the catcher for being at home plate.
15  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump: "I don't want poor people in my cabinet" on: June 22, 2017, 04:26:21 pm
I would hire someone economically successful to be a economic secretary if I were POTUS. I don't see the problem.

Because "have wealthy and well-connected parents, go to Ivy League schools, then work on Wall Street" isn't readily transferable to an $18 trillion dollar economy of 325 million people.
16  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump: "I don't want poor people in my cabinet" on: June 22, 2017, 03:54:07 pm
Be honest people: how many poor people do you know who'd even be qualified to run a federal department? Using a sensible definition of poor, anyway...

Aren't you supposed to be some kind of Christian "communitarian"?

Dude doesn't want poor people running federal departments, yet his savior is a homeless Middle Eastern refugee carpenter born in a manger to an unwed teenage mother...

Like many on the American right-wing, he likely
doesn't follow canon Jesus, but worships fanon Jesus.



17  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Coats+Rogers tell Mueller that Trump asked to publicly deny collusion on: June 22, 2017, 01:40:48 pm
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Two of the nation's top intelligence officials told Special Counsel Robert Mueller's team and Senate investigators, in separate meetings last week, that President Donald Trump suggested they say publicly there was no collusion between his campaign and the Russians, according to multiple sources.

Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats and National Security Agency Director Adm. Mike Rogers described their interactions with the President about the Russia investigation as odd and uncomfortable, but said they did not believe the President gave them orders to interfere, according to multiple sources familiar with their accounts.

Sources say both men went further than they did in June 7 public hearings, when they provided little detail about the interactions.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/22/politics/intel-chiefs-trump-refute-collusion/index.html

One needs not go into great detail to deny something completely false. If someone accuses me of a despicable crime that I didn't do, I expect to brush it off easily. Guildy people have to put their guards up. 

Given Trump's history, I find it quite likely that he could be guilty of something similar, but unrelated - like Russian money laundering around 10 years ago.


18  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump tweets there are no tapes on: June 22, 2017, 12:10:04 pm
Given the past accuracy of claims by Trump on twitter, we should probably be assuming he does have recordings that he made.
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump: "I don't want poor people in my cabinet" on: June 22, 2017, 08:51:53 am
In Trump's mind, and that of a considerable portion of Americans, wealth is equivalent to talent and ability. So, if you're poor, it's solely because you're untalented and/or unmotivated. Of course, viewing people that way, you wouldn't want poor people in your cabinet.

Anyone with sense knows that's total garbage, but that would require conceding America isn't the land of 'pull yourself up by your bootstraps' like the right-wing love to proclaim.

America's semi-secular version of the prosperity gospel is one of our worst traits.
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“Mild success can be explainable by skills and labor. Wild success is attributable to variance.” ― Nassim Nicholas Taleb, Fooled by Randomness: The Hidden Role of Chance in Life and in the Markets

Putting people in charge because they're rich is the equivalent of betting on a die to roll high because it rolled high last time, and besides, you like how it looks.
20  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Death threats, rape threats pouring into "Shakespeare" companies and theaters on: June 21, 2017, 04:53:31 pm
Ridicule & exposure obviously not enough for some  who follow the left's Alinsky disruptive tactics. We all know both sides have people paid to protest or in the case of kids there is usually a dissatisfied adult teacher or admin encouraging them.

Admit it, the play with a black bald Obama-like Caesar in 2012 was not playing in Central Park, sponsored by American Express, and touted by a CNN anchor. It was a much smaller Minnesota theater.

A good number of people don't care to hear that a major company that appeals to a wide range of people that props up a production which gives a select number of Trump haters a good time every night with a vicarious assassination of their least favorite President ever.

At least this is the last of this play but not the last virtual or symbolic violence against political figures.

Given the attack at the baseball practice it is obvious to see it can lead to a downward spiral.

I cannot find complaints about this from any person or organization leaning Republican to be credible. The party that just seated a violent criminal in the United States House of Representatives complaining about art that can be deemed critical of their Little-handed Dictator would appear to be far more interested in shutting down any dissent from their deplorable party line than in actually reducing politically motivated violence.
21  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Watch President Trump push a prime minister aside. But why did he do it ? on: June 21, 2017, 04:09:07 pm

"Alpha Male"

As fake and out of context as it was last time.

Here's the full video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMmX72N6EtE

(Or are you talking about Sarkozy?)
22  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Why Georgia went R on: June 21, 2017, 03:40:20 pm
Ossoff was a terrible candidate. He just had "Pelosi' written all over him.

If he wanted to win, he should've run as a blue dog Democrat, and maybe turned away outside donations.

He should have moved into the Sixth Congressional District the moment he decided to run. Sure, there's no technical requirement. But that's the exact sort of thing that gets my hackles up, and would make it *really* hard to support him.
23  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Did Ossoff even stand a chance? on: June 21, 2017, 03:34:39 pm
Being anti-Trump and nothing else isn't an election winner.

Being opposed to Trump's policies might be. But from what I saw, he was running against Trump as a personality, which doesn't work quite as well.
24  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Your reaction to this? on: June 21, 2017, 03:33:16 pm
I'd guess NPV compact goes into effect before 2024. The legal challenges should be interesting, if there's a country left.
25  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Spicer: Trump to make announcement on (alleged) Comey tapes this week on: June 21, 2017, 02:48:10 pm
What if Trump wasn't the one doing the taping...?

Since Comey would have turned over any tapes he made, what are you suggesting? Do you think the Russians or US intel agencies bugged the White House (with or without Trump's permission) or something along those lines?
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