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1  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Discussing Democracy in the USA on: Today at 05:34:41 pm
"destroy democracy in Iran"

Why do people keep on saying this when it's an utter falsehood? You cannot destroy democracy where it never existed.

Could you elaborate on that? Mossadegh was nominated as Prime Minister by the Majlis, so unless you think that the Majlis wasn't elected in a proper manner he was democratically elected (women didn't have the vote but since you are not exactly the "I am a male feminist" type  that is likely not what you are talking about. Wink ).

The exceptions to full adult suffrage don't seem so bad for the time and context: women, foreigners, under 25s, "persons notorious for mischievous opinions", convicts and ex convicts, active military personnel.

Iran was a constitutional monarchy with a Parliament and such systems do have a democratic element, which the Shah (with US assistance) blocked from increasing its power, thus curtailing a process that was heading towards parliamentarism and full democracy (or that is at least a reasonable interpretation - we will never know for sure). What happened changed a constitutional monarchy into a de facto absolute monarchy.

Iran was constitutionally where a lot of European states were in the second half of the 19th century that are generlly considered developing democratic in that era. The Shah had a habit of firing his PMs  at a rapid pace, but if Mossadegh had been able to stay it looks likely they could have continued down the same grsdualist path to full democracy that constitutional monarchies took in Europe. At least the US backed "operation" blocked any possibility of that happening.

You think those were fair elections?  Okay then...
2  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Nebraska and Oklahoma sue Colorado over marijuana legalization on: Today at 02:58:43 pm
Excellent news!
3  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: NYPD officers shot dead as "revenge" for Garner decision. on: December 20, 2014, 11:56:33 pm
Remember back to Gabby Giffords shooting and how the discourse was arguing over whether The Rhetoric had lead to her shooting. Sure, they argued, one man pulled the trigger but clearly it was the right-wing environment of hate which really it did. Of course, most conservatives denied this attempt to label cuplability on them and the smarter ones dismisses this as a classic leftie wishie-washie sociological determinism to attack things they don't like.

Yet apparently now some of these same pundits are looking at the actions of individuals and seeing the long arm of society at work. We are no longer individuals. Who knew.

And vice versa,  Gully. And vice versa.

Perhaps I'm being dense here, but what is your point?

To not make snide quips about one side's hypocrisy when the other is just as hypocritical, if not more so.
4  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Discussing Democracy in the USA on: December 20, 2014, 10:33:27 pm
"destroy democracy in Iran"

Why do people keep on saying this when it's an utter falsehood? You cannot destroy democracy where it never existed. I'm curious what democracy there was in Vietnam, of all places.
5  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Oxford School of Absurdity, Ignorance, and Bad Posts IV on: December 20, 2014, 10:04:27 pm
A good start!
6  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: NYPD officers shot dead as "revenge" for Garner decision. on: December 20, 2014, 10:02:38 pm
Remember back to Gabby Giffords shooting and how the discourse was arguing over whether The Rhetoric had lead to her shooting. Sure, they argued, one man pulled the trigger but clearly it was the right-wing environment of hate which really it did. Of course, most conservatives denied this attempt to label cuplability on them and the smarter ones dismisses this as a classic leftie wishie-washie sociological determinism to attack things they don't like.

Yet apparently now some of these same pundits are looking at the actions of individuals and seeing the long arm of society at work. We are no longer individuals. Who knew.

And vice versa,  Gully. And vice versa.
7  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: NYPD officers shot dead as "revenge" for Garner decision. on: December 20, 2014, 09:16:31 pm
This thread is an atrocity. Lief's posts are disappointing, though.

I look forward to hearing an actual local's input.

I lived here my whole life and I am old enough to remember NYC as a mecca of violence.  I'd prefer it not to go back to that even if it meant hipster exodus Wink 

Your posts, it should go with out saying, are not what have inspired such ire. They are actually quite good.
8  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: NYPD officers shot dead as "revenge" for Garner decision. on: December 20, 2014, 08:57:18 pm
This thread is an atrocity. Lief's posts are particularly  disappointing, though.

I look forward to hearing an actual local's input.
9  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Ancient water in the Earth's crust estimated at 2.5 million cubic miles. on: December 20, 2014, 12:00:33 pm
What if there's an intelligent civilisation living in the crust that we don't know about? There would be aliens- but on Earth! I imagine any kind of life form living there would be either relicts or very strange to us.
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Obama criticizes Sony for pulling "The Interview" on: December 19, 2014, 09:28:19 pm
What? He has no business even addressing this beyond "We're looking into the criminal violations committed".

It was a private business decision to protect their company. And the deal was basically set when the theater chain - the ones who really killed the project - decided not to show it.

Let's be real - he probably decided to pile on Sony because of the racist comments about him in the e-mail.

Well, it's also a matter of a foreign state intimidating American companies into doing certain things- in the United States. In a way, it's an infringement on our sovereignty.

Absolutely - and that's why he should be announcing what concrete steps we'll be taking to punish the perpetrators, and to beef up our cybersecurity, rather than hectoring a private business taking a measure to protect their interests - especially since they weren't the ones preventing people from seeing this movie.

Well it's a bad precedent to have set. Did he say the other things you mentioned? I feel like he did.
11  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Should Family Guy do an episode about killing Kim Jong-un? on: December 19, 2014, 09:15:37 pm
Everyone should do something about killing Kim Jong-Un.
12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Obama criticizes Sony for pulling "The Interview" on: December 19, 2014, 09:12:40 pm
What? He has no business even addressing this beyond "We're looking into the criminal violations committed".

It was a private business decision to protect their company. And the deal was basically set when the theater chain - the ones who really killed the project - decided not to show it.

Let's be real - he probably decided to pile on Sony because of the racist comments about him in the e-mail.

Well, it's also a matter of a foreign state intimidating American companies into doing certain things- in the United States. In a way, it's an infringement on our sovereignty.
13  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Which posters do you most admire? on: December 19, 2014, 12:42:49 pm

lol
14  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XIX: Melancholy and the Infinite Napping on: December 19, 2014, 03:38:05 am
There's a chain called  Spaghetti Warehouse? Sounds disgusting.
15  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XIX: Melancholy and the Infinite Napping on: December 18, 2014, 10:57:16 am
Oh God. I figured Braum's was like an Arby's. Instead, it's much, much worse. I guess the silver lining is that they didn't try to pass it off offensively by calling it "Alfredo's" or "Mama DiRosa's" or something.

It's not an Italian place. Huh
16  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of "SJW and porn" blogs on Tumblr on: December 17, 2014, 11:34:59 pm
SOMEONE SAID MISANDRY

*takes a shot and crosses out the corresponding square on his RedPiller Fedora BINGO board*

...it's just an antonym.
17  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: New York To Ban Fracking on: December 17, 2014, 11:29:24 pm
Fracking is one of the worst practices in the world. Thank god.

Long live Mother Russia and the Islamic Republic!
18  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Sony hackers threaten 9/11 style attacks on theaters that show "The Interview". on: December 17, 2014, 09:44:53 pm
Time to start bombing Pyongyang...They've crossed several "Red Lines" here.

As for shutting the movie down, it doesn't look like it would've been good anyways, so no loss there.

Erm, no.
19  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Will Kim Jong-un ever watch "The Interview"? on: December 17, 2014, 02:26:52 pm
Also the actual answer is "probably, yes":

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The North Korean regime has attacked a Hollywood comedy about the assassination of Kim Jong-un, saying it shows the "desperation" of American society.

A spokesman for Mr Kim said the dictator would probably watch the film, starring Seth Rogen and James Franco, which is due to be released in October.

Kim Myong-chol, executive director of The Centre for North Korea-US Peace and an unofficial spokesman for the regime in Pyongyang, was dismissive.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/10914088/North-Korea-slams-US-film-The-Interview-about-Kim-Jong-un.html
20  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Article of Impeachment Against President Lumine on: December 17, 2014, 02:08:58 pm
Seven people who decide, like you, that the letter of the law must be followed and would vote in favor.
21  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Greece General Discussion on: December 17, 2014, 02:06:51 pm
Oh dear- this doesn't look good.
22  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Obama to announce sweeping changes in Cuba policy today! on: December 17, 2014, 01:56:55 pm
All I'll say is that I hope this doesn't end up being the proverbial thrust that undoes the advances of the socialist revolution in Cuba in the realm of property relations.

One hopes it will. But the best news of all:

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The Obama administration's changes in Cuban policy now mean visitors to the island nation can bring up to $100 in Cuban cigars back to the US. But, officials note, the cigars must be for personal use and not re-sale.

Cheesy
23  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Obama to announce sweeping changes in Cuba policy today! on: December 17, 2014, 01:42:10 pm
As they say, "Only Obama could go to Cuba."

I'm not sure they would say that, and he hasn't been there... yet. Hopefully the things normalisation advocates say will happen- that trade and economic changes will comple political change- are correct, because they've won the day it seems, according to the BBC:

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US President Barack Obama has hailed a "new chapter" in US relations with Cuba, announcing moves to normalise diplomatic and economic ties.

Mr Obama said the plans represented the "most significant changes in US policy towards Cuba in 50 years".

Mr Obama announced measures that he said would end an "outdated approach that for decades has failed to advance our interests".

The US is looking to open an embassy in Havana in the coming months, he said.

Also, the embargo has apparently cost the Cuban economy $1.1 trillion since 1960. That's an enormous sum considering it's such a small country.
24  General Politics / Economics / Re: The ruble is collapsing on: December 17, 2014, 01:30:02 pm
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The ruble is collapsing

Further proof communism doesn't work

You are certainly not familiar with today's Russia.

Yes, this automatic equation of something Russia does with communism is rather grating.

What's happening is rather further proof that failure to diversify your economy is likely to result in consequences later, and that in the modern, globalized economy, a cavalier foreign policy that raises the ire of a bloc of nations that account for over half of world GDP is likewise bound to result in sanctions that do nothing to help your economy.

It's all about the timeframe. Putin can point out that the rouble has gained over 12% against the USD since this morning. Sanctions have kickstarted Russia's economy.  

It fell 19% today. The economy is going to contract even more sharply now. He can make no such claim unless he is to blatantly lie. But they can not mention it on the media, which is what they have been doing.

Hasn't he been doing this for quite a while ("no Russian soldiers in UA" and so forth). I was just making the point that it would be quite appropriate for Putin to frame the issue in such a manner ("What ruble collapse? The dollar has lost 12% since this morning.").

I see what you mean, and I suppose you're right. But that's a bit more obvious, isn't it, though?
Anyone with a computer can clearly see that the dollar hasn't fallen, while the location of Russian soldiers is something one has to rely on the word of others for. You can't prevent people from seeing prices are going up if they are going up.

However, Putin can say that the ruble is up 9% so far today, which it indeed is. But the uptick is in part due to exporters selling to meet their monthly tax obligations, and some traders said that "exporters were having their arms twisted to sell their foreign-currency earnings." Either way, the ruble has lost nearly half its value this year.
25  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: December 2014 At-Large Senate Election: Winner/Loser on: December 16, 2014, 11:32:02 pm
I think you have my S score and my E score mixed up, but huh. Interesting.
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