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1  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: New York City mayoral election, 1993 on: July 22, 2014, 05:31:06 pm
Dinkins, one of our better mayors.

You probably wouldn't be here if Dinkins was re-elected.

QFT.
2  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Have you ever been to a KZ (concentration camp) ? on: July 22, 2014, 01:27:13 am
Have I been to one or have I been in one?
3  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Long time, no see. on: July 22, 2014, 01:25:48 am
Wb
4  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Ukraine Crisis on: July 22, 2014, 12:06:51 am
I'm sure they could take over the whole tthing and nothing would change.
5  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Ukraine Crisis on: July 21, 2014, 06:25:12 pm
I'm not.sure how weak they are with nuclear weapons, thousands of Tanks, hundreds of billionaires with expropriable assets, public opinion by all measures supporting the regime... sure, they might have poor foreign relations but both their capability to do harm is quite high and our capability (or willingness) to retaliate still seems to be limited. The USSR was a far poorer and smaller economy than the US. That did not mean they were able to pose a major threat.

The fact that only ~52% of the member states of the UN voted yes to condemn a blatantly fraudulent, deceptive, forceful, and illegal annexation of another country, which pretty much threatens every country that prefers not to be invaded by a neighbour, is proof of how much clout Russia can wield.
6  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Malaysian Airlines 777 shot down over Ukraine, 295 people on board. on: July 21, 2014, 06:19:44 pm
The Russian government is trying to edit wikipedia articles on the incident.

http://stream.aljazeera.com/story/201407211855-0023944

That's very Stalinist of them.

I mean this doesn't prove the government as an entity is trying to edit the article, for all we know it could be some random pencil pusher acting on his own accord. If there were waves of edits coming from government IPs that might be different, but the Russian media is quite consistent in blaming Ukraine for this, so it's hardly peculiar.
7  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Present Israel-Palestine Conflict Thread on: July 21, 2014, 06:14:13 pm
The number of Israeli children killed vs. the number of Palestinian children killed:

I presume it's no less topical for me to bring up the fact that there have been many more Palestinians who could be considered war criminals than Israelis?
8  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Reforming the Electoral College.... Calculator Page on: July 20, 2014, 11:08:55 am
20% shades need to be available.

There are some very close elections (like the NJ GOP Senate primary) that needs to have 20% shading

The Atlas has primaries? Huh
9  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Willard "Mitt" Romney 2016 megathread on: July 20, 2014, 10:45:43 am
Maybe he should run with Sarah Palin, who predicted Russia could invade Ukraine.
10  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of this quote on: July 20, 2014, 10:35:53 am
And how would you go about maintaining these protections of civil rights?
11  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Wages for Housework Act on: July 20, 2014, 10:30:32 am
Okay, but $31,200 a year seems a bit much, yes? In addition this also applies to children over the age of 16, so in a family like mine were talking $62,400 a year! Surely you recognise this is a lot of money?
12  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Benjamin Netanyahu on: July 20, 2014, 02:54:10 am
Please explain how an assertion that one group of Orthodox Slavs are better than another group of Orthodox Slavs constitutes racism. It might be something, but I don't see how it's racist.
13  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of the Russian seperatist rebels in Ukraine on: July 20, 2014, 02:12:35 am
Brave leftist warriors don't let facts get in the way of a good talking point.

The same way Snowstalker basically believes the entire Ukrainian government and anti-separatist fighters are neo-Nazis which in terms of percentages is equivalent to claiming that all Greek voters are neo-Nazis because of Golden Dawn support.

Well, yes, but rarely does one post an article that quite clearly contradicts them without being completely brain-dead. And TNF has never struck me as quite that.
14  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Vladimir Putin on: July 20, 2014, 12:36:55 am
HP.

HP. Kind of admire him though. Tongue

Why?!
15  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of the Russian seperatist rebels in Ukraine on: July 20, 2014, 12:35:01 am
Awful, although I really don't think you can plausibly argue that Euromaidan forces are much better, given that they don't seem to have much of a problem burning people alive.

I don't see how you can possibly draw such a conclusion from the article you provided:

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Medics at the scene said the pro-Russia fighters were also shooting from the roof. At least five bodies with bullet wounds lay on the ground covered by Ukraine flags as fire engines and ambulances arrived at the scene.

Some people fell from the burning building as they hung on to windowsills in an attempt to avoid the fire that had taken hold inside. Pro-Ukraine protesters made desperate efforts to reach people with ropes and improvised scaffolding.

Within two hours of the assault beginning, the resistance from pro-Russia activists inside the building seemed to have been quelled. Several fire crews were spraying the smouldering building with water and ambulances lined the streets outside.

Clearly, not only were these not "helpless" civilians, which, while I understand you never said such a thing, changes the facts of the matter considerably, but it is stated that the "Euromaidan forces" you object to made an effort to rescue the people inside the building, the presumed people who has been shooting to them beforehand. And, of course, nowhere in the article does it mention that they intended to burn these people to death. I mean, I am at a loss here. How do you read this and conclude "they don't have much of a problem burning people alive"?
16  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Should Russia be put on the State Department's State Sponsors of Terrorism list? on: July 20, 2014, 12:27:50 am
Emphatic yes... And we should at least consider the idea of forcing regime change as well, as the only Russian leaders that have been worse than Putin are Stalin, Lenin and Khrushchev.

Even by liberal/non-socialist standards Lenin was clearly better than Brezhnev, Chernenko, Andropov, and Stalin.

First, where does he place Lenin relative to the people you mentioned? I don't see where that comes up.

Second, what did Chernenko do to make him worse than Lenin?
17  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Should Russia be put on the State Department's State Sponsors of Terrorism list? on: July 20, 2014, 12:23:19 am
It's a blessing that somemost of you will never serve in office someday.

For what it's worth. Probably applies to me, too.
18  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Rockingham on: July 19, 2014, 09:02:31 pm
Wasn't he banned?
19  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Time to take out the trash: Petition to ban Dave Liep on: July 19, 2014, 07:03:53 pm
You are worse than Obamanation.

This may very well be true.
20  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Present Israel-Palestine Conflict Thread on: July 19, 2014, 12:19:15 pm

Indeed, very insightful.
21  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Should Russia be put on the State Department's State Sponsors of Terrorism list? on: July 19, 2014, 12:05:11 pm
If not because of MH17 (which I doubt was terrorism), then why?
22  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Man Breaks Into Kennedy Compound Looking for Katy Perry on: July 19, 2014, 08:19:51 am
"Fifty-three-year-old James Lacroix"

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23  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Ukraine Crisis on: July 19, 2014, 01:41:33 am
I'm going to leave this here
24  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Malaysian Airlines 777 shot down over Ukraine, 295 people on board. on: July 18, 2014, 01:59:13 pm
So how far could Putin go? I mean, it's become rather clear what's happened and governments' words of caution are diplomatic formalities. Could they shoot down passenger planes at will whilst we did nothing? Bomb Kiev? Launch a full invasion of Ukraine? There's a certain point where I imagine we'd do something.

I assume the point of no return would be an invasion of a NATO member state (most likely Latvia or Estonia).

This seems rather appropriate for the times.
25  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: TWA-800 on: July 18, 2014, 01:52:58 pm
...why exactly would the US elect to bomb an American plane in American airspace? And if true, why hasn't anyone come forward with the truth?

That's a problem with a lot of imagined conspiracies; usually, someone or another comes out with the truth. Take Libyan Arab Airlines Flight 1103. After Gaddafi fell the pilots who were imprisoned for "colliding" said they did not and that the plane exploded under them, and both a former ambassador to the US and the airline's former air safety manager say that it was deliberately targeted on Gaddafi's orders. This is normal. Large scale secret plots to murder people generally are obvious.
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