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76  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Opinion of Amy Schumer on: September 07, 2016, 10:16:20 pm
In short, while I can't feel sorry for them-- or at least Dunham-- both have been denounced for having committed the grave felony of having been insufficiently deferential towards black people.

Wow.  I wish I never opened that link!  It has to be EXHAUSTING to be offended so easily.

"Exhausting" is definitely a word I have seen unironically used by such people in this context, although they usually claimed to have been worn out by the constant injustice, or something of this sort. This meant, by extension, keeping pace with all the things which were supposed to engender a sense of righteous outrage, and who had fallen out of favor by falling afoul of the the outlook I mentioned previously. It was made to sound rather physically taxing.
77  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Al Realpolitik Institute of Sulfur Mining & Extraction on: September 07, 2016, 10:10:45 pm
An oldie but a goodie:

Thomas from NJ at least takes his religion seriously, which is more than you can say of BRTD, who goes to church for the beer and CHRISTIAN HARDCORE EMOVIOLENCE
78  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of our pro-eugenics socialist newbies on: September 07, 2016, 09:53:18 pm
Eugenics may not be the right answer, apparently, but eventually people are going to need to understand that the human race can't just keep growing unsustainably forever.

Says who?


Even if if we never get to this point there's no real reason to believe that the population is growing unsustainably. Overpopulation does not appear to be a serious problem.
79  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Ian Paisley vs. Otto von Habsburg on: September 07, 2016, 09:43:58 pm
Apparently the sergeants in the European Parliament wear mess jackets and white tie? At least that's what I noticed.

It's a shame they gave him a peerage. Although I suppose modern Britain is in many ways founded on such principles.
80  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: HST or HST? on: September 07, 2016, 09:40:34 pm
WI: High Speed Trains
81  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of the "Polyamorous community" on: September 07, 2016, 09:37:48 pm
Quote from: The Wikipedia article on 'moral foundations theory'...
[...which I'm far from convinced of but which is a damn sight better than 'social liberal moral foundations are obviously objectively correct and anybody who disagrees is just rationalizing animus or bias']

Because members of two political camps are to a degree blind to one or more of the moral foundations of the others, they may perceive morally-driven words or behavior as having another basis—at best self-interested, at worst evil, and thus demonize one another. Further research has shown that while members of all ideological camps have difficulty understanding others, conservatives are measurably better at understanding the point of view of progressives than vice versa, presumably because conservatives operate in a six-dimensional moral matrix that contains all of the progressives’ dimensions.

I think there's a lot of merit to this, in that it's evident from this and other threads that liberals, at least on this forum, literally can't comprehend why non-liberals disagree with them, whereas conservatives (or, in my case, socialists with what Haidt would classify as conservative moral foundations) have at least some capacity to understand where the forum's strong and in many respects admirable social liberal contingent is coming from.

I don't particularly wish to discuss this further.

I like this, a lot, not only for the obvious reasons, but as it works to answer why the phenomenon you observe exists, which I've always wondered about.
82  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Opinion of Amy Schumer on: September 07, 2016, 09:10:55 pm
In short, while I can't feel sorry for them-- or at least Dunham-- both have been denounced for having committed the grave felony of having been insufficiently deferential towards black people.
83  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Opinion of Amy Schumer on: September 07, 2016, 05:22:53 pm
Ff, duh.

I'm less interested in what you all think about Amy Schumer than what we are supposed to think about her, according to progressive and/or "woke" thought-leaders, particularly those of color, whose views are the ones, as we are repeatedly told, are the ones we should be listening to.

What the heck does that even mean?

I'm assuming this thread is in response to the thing Amy Schumer did which wasn't very progressive or, I hazard, hurtful to marginalized and oppressed people. I don't recall what this thing was, but I recall reading about it. I also recall reading the corresponding takes that said that this thing meant that Schumer wasn't a very good feminist, and was ignorant of the need to take an intersectional approach to her thinking. Lena Dunham was also accused of the same offense, although in her case I know what the thing she did wrong actually was. One provided a list of "good" feminists in popular culture to look up to, most of whom were "women of color" and were overtly ideological and intersectional.

The direct inference of this, and the broader inference from the prevalent discourse on feminism, race, and intersectionalism, is that there is a "correct" way to view the world, informed by the "correct" set of beliefs on how it works, which is generally described as being "woke", and might be described less glibly as having an intersectional and race, gender, class, ableness, sexual, and privilege-conscious outlook. I don't think I need to go into depth as to the beliefs adjunct to this outlook; but the question I asked can be summarized as asking what a person with this outlook-- which is the correct outlook-- would think, or should think about Amy Schumer, taking into account all of the above.
84  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: What if pigs fly and trump somehow pulls out a victory in first debate? on: September 07, 2016, 04:32:31 pm
Would it affect poles more than the romney first debate win?

I don't know. You should be asking Kalwejt, not us.
85  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Opinion of Amy Schumer on: September 07, 2016, 04:30:34 pm
I'm less interested in what you all think about Amy Schumer than what we are supposed to think about her, according to progressive and/or "woke" thought-leaders, particularly those of color, whose views are the ones, as we are repeatedly told, are the ones we should be listening to.
86  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Morocco vs. Western Sahara on: September 07, 2016, 04:18:26 pm
Western Sahara isn't a country. Even if it was, it's a strip of sand populated by nondescript nomads; in short, it has nothing going for it and is historically tied to Morocco to boot. Morocco, meanwhile, is a country with a long and rich history, a vibrant-- some might say infectious-- culture, and striking and diverse geography.

There are barely any Sahariens to begin with, most of whom live under Moroccan jurisdiction and whose feelings on their political status are effectively entirely unknown.

Morocco by default. I'm not sure how people are concluding otherwise. Huh
87  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: What's more important: democracy, or liberalism/secularism? on: September 07, 2016, 02:26:50 pm
The Turkish military may be secular, but it sure as hell isn't liberal by any functional definition, as the periods of time in which Turkey was under military rule in living memory can demonstrate. Kemalism is actually a pretty scary doctrine.

True story: The election of the first Hijabi MP in 1999 provoked a scandal that ended with said MP being stripped of her citizenship.
88  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Mother and son in love in N.M. will go to jail to defend their relationship on: September 07, 2016, 02:07:33 pm
You know what I found even more icky than incest? Transgenderism.

That's a... problematic opinion.

Well, regarding that, pretty much everything we've taken for granted about human physiology and psychology is problematic. And there's no point in pointing to brain scans, people support transgenderism on the basis of feelings rather than brain scans (which, also show abnormalities in the brains of people with other identity disorders, which, for some reason, we don't take as validating their identity!) and we all know it.

If you'd like to shut me up you can hit me with the club of "trans suicides", as is usually how these "discussions" end; I'll comply. Indeed, this isn't the time or place for this discussion at all.
89  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of the 'alt right' on: September 07, 2016, 01:56:38 pm
Isn't that what you call a Nazi who is too unfit to physically attack women, Jews, immigrants, etc. and so who does it from a keyboard in a dingy basement instead?

"Most of them are childless single men who masturbate to anime. They’re not real political players. These are not people who matter in the overall course of humanity."

They are the sort of person their political idols would have likely had liquidated on the basis of being "degenerates", but there's no need to go there.
90  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of our pro-eugenics socialist newbies on: September 07, 2016, 01:47:03 pm
Can we lump in the "post-Freakonomics/post-revisionist" theory of the decline in crime since the 1980s-- that it was primarily the result of Roe v. Wade and the resultant increase of abortions amongst black   women, reducing the number of black men, who would otherwise be criminals-- with this?
91  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Is this "nice guy, FF :)" behavior appropriate for the forum? on: September 07, 2016, 01:41:27 pm
Okay, how do you square this with your religion?
92  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: NBC Commander-in-Chief Forum @8pm ET **live commentary thread** on: September 07, 2016, 01:37:28 pm
Not watching this as a protest to the exclusion of Gary Johnson.

You go ahead with that. I'm sure Lauer has been shaken to the core, and has taken to weeping into one of his paychecks for his $25 million salary. I assume you will register your strong and principled objection into your non-existent Nielsen monitoring box.
93  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Are DU and DailyKos "far left" sites? on: September 07, 2016, 01:24:56 pm
How did I know this was a BRTD thread? Might it be because no one has cared about Democratic Underground or the Daily Kos for the better part of a decade, precluding the possibility of anyone having "thought" they were far-left websites anytime in the recent past?

Just as BRTD continues to harp on Gully Foyle for having once said in error that Hispanic was a race on the US Census, as if this proved him to be some kind of pompous ignoramus, despite this having been nearly a decade ago, the fact that Gully Foyle is Irish, and that he learnt this in a university lecture, this question is in response to no topical prompt, but is rather the latest manifestation of BRTD's obsessive approach to politics and things in general. If this claim was ever made, it was most likely long before most of us were members of this forum.
94  General Politics / Economics / Re: US Job Openings Reach Record High on: September 07, 2016, 01:20:23 pm
Do we know what the specific fields with the highest openings were?

It's clear, Tender, that more needs to be done to have a more even geographical distribution of economic growth and job creation. While the trend is more pronounced in other countries (both developed countries like France and the UK, or emerging economies like Thailand), there has been a clear concentration of job growth since the recession in a few cities. Previously regional companies, in a longer trend, have also moved their headquarters from second- and third-tier cities to the major centers, intensifying this trend.

We need to do more in the US to ensure that these regional cities are places younger, educated people are willing to work and live, and, as such, where companies can draw from a competitive labor pool. This deals with cultural and social amenities, but, on a more basic level, it is an issue of the urban pattern and housing, which the former issues depend on. Faceless, soulless suburbia is not a draw for young people, but neither are ill-conceived transit schemes or business development corporation-devised astroturf cultural initiatives.
95  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump illegally employed and exploited models in the US on tourist visas on: September 07, 2016, 01:06:44 pm
I'm pretty sure smilo's tongue and cheek response would accurately describe most people's serious reaction: "He's a dishonest, immoral, and possibly corrupt hypocrite with regards to virtually everything he does? That's what we like about him!"

I want to think Hillary can widen her margins, but honestly, if people haven't been swung over already I can't see what would get them to swing now.
96  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Is Putin trying to prop up Europe's Far-Right ? on: September 07, 2016, 12:57:16 pm
That's kind of offensive to Chinese mining magnates.

Fair point. The next step down would have been "Iranian crony import-export tycoon".
97  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: For the first time since 2013, ISIS has no border with NATO on: September 07, 2016, 12:54:59 pm
I don't buy the coup conspiracy theories, but Erdogan remains an all-around sketchy character, this being the latest sign. Every indication suggests this offense is targeted at the YPG rather than ISIL, and is for the benefit of Jabhat Fatah as-Sham and the other Salafist"moderate-not-moderate" opposition fronts backed by the Saudis, Qatar, and other states in the Gulf (which aren't necessarily the same groups, I don't know).

Considering the YPG is the closest thing to an unambiguously good actor in this conflict (and even then one can't help but feel that, upon closer inspection, they come across as a post-communist front organization), this is yet another negative development in an endless series of unfortunate events.
98  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Is Putin trying to prop up Europe's Far-Right ? on: September 07, 2016, 12:47:28 pm
I'm curious to see how this develops, if PutinTrump begins to cast himself as a defender of "the real Europe", "a Europe of Europeans, of traditions, of values, etc". That would be interesting. I would say that none of them would manage to win an election, but we already have Orban, don't we? I mean, the Hungarians, of all people. You'd think they'd be the last to entertain this sort of thing.
Lol



European Civilisation? Trump has the taste of a newly wealthy Chinese mining magnate, not a potential standard-bearer of three millennia of Western Civilisation.
99  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Banda district Ghana didn't experience food insecurity until Colonialism on: September 07, 2016, 08:18:33 am
The forces that enabled the Asante Empire to arise were largely driven by the slave trade. I'll elaborate on this in the evening when I have time.
100  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Is Putin trying to prop up Europe's Far-Right ? on: September 07, 2016, 08:07:50 am
He's funding parts of the far right but if we are to be fair he also strangely attracts sympathies from the far left for shady reasons. Look at Corbyn's advisor Seamus Milne - a guy who moderated RT debate with Putin and wrote puff pieces about him for the Guardian. The same goes for George Galloway, or parts of the French sovereign Left, Tsipras threatening to prostitute himself to Putin, etc. That the far right in Europe is pro-Putinist is no surprise - he is their only source of funding and their only potential political and gepolitical ally in the modern world. But the communists? Weird.

Putin's objectives as such have to be reinterpreted. I think he wants to demonstrate that democracy doesn't work, or more precisely that the paradox between liberalism and democracy that the West has towed for the good part of 3 centuries now will unfold. He therefore supports any rank and file populist in the hope of destabilising Europe. 

That doesn't seem surprising at all. Putin's Russia simultaneously postures as a conservative state acting in defence of Western civilisation against decadent liberalism and the spiritual (and diplomatic) inheritor of the Soviet Union's legacy, standing against "Western imperialism" and "fascism".
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