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76  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: FREE POIROT on: April 15, 2015, 07:42:31 am
You're not misremembering. At no time did I do anything illegal.
77  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Office of Governor Simfan34 - A Victory in Our Fight For Order! on: April 14, 2015, 10:18:56 pm
The Government of the Pacific Region hereby charges the member Poriot with deliberately propagating a nuisance dangerous to public health in violation of the express order of regional authorities. As per Section 36-601 of the Arizona (Pacific) Revised Statute, upon the violation of this order to desist the authorities may do as follows-

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If a person fails or refuses to comply with the order of the director, or if a person to whom the order is directed does not request a hearing and fails or refuses to comply with the cease and desist order served by mail under subsection B, the director may file an action in the superior court in the county in which a violation occurred, restraining and enjoining the person from engaging in further acts. The court shall proceed as in other actions for injunctions.

We accordingly seek injunctive relief via a criminal remedy in accordance with the laws of the region.

I am told the police are to release Poriot on bail shortly.
78  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Pacific v. Poirot on: April 14, 2015, 10:17:47 pm
The Government of the Pacific Region hereby charges the member Poirot with deliberately propagating a nuisance dangerous to public health in violation of the express order of regional authorities. As per Section 36-601 of the Arizona (Pacific) Revised Statute, upon the violation of this order to desist the authorities may do as follows-

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If a person fails or refuses to comply with the order of the director, or if a person to whom the order is directed does not request a hearing and fails or refuses to comply with the cease and desist order served by mail under subsection B, the director may file an action in the superior court in the county in which a violation occurred, restraining and enjoining the person from engaging in further acts. The court shall proceed as in other actions for injunctions.

We accordingly seek injunctive relief via a criminal remedy in accordance with the laws of the region.
79  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: FREE POIROT on: April 14, 2015, 06:25:21 pm
Surely he has the right to appeal to the Supreme Court, doesn't he?

He wasn't charged with anything, AFAIK.

Well, then he can sue the Pacific for unlawful arrest? Tongue

Not if charges are pending.
80  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: CA: Gov. Brown orders mandatory water restrictions (25% reduction statewide) on: April 14, 2015, 05:10:06 pm
Once it becomes more cost-effective than farming, most meat (or at least the cheaper stuff, like what's used in dog food and Slim Jims) will probably be replaced with grown meat if that technology progresses beyond its current state.

State-built desalination plants are another solution, though thanks to their cost and building time they're not a solution for the immediate crisis.

Desalination plants, especially using nuclear power, are definitely a potential solution. Why they would need to be state-owned is beyond me. Either way, like I said, California's political culture will ensure it never happens any time soon.
81  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: CA: Gov. Brown orders mandatory water restrictions (25% reduction statewide) on: April 14, 2015, 04:22:43 pm
Well then these "grown meats" may very well prove the be the next great workaround. Or we can treat it like GMOs and and attempt to prevent it from being adopted, in which case, yes, we will hit a wall.   We can elect to continue to increase the amount of food we able to produce and feed many more mouths than we already can, or we can make self-fulfilling prophecies about overpopulation and prevent anything from being done, and it is far more California's "style" to do the latter.

I'd also caution against proclaiming certain places "good" or "bad" places for human settlement. I mean, yes, Las Vegas is probably not a good idea. But in the long run- in terms of centuries- regional environmental conditions can be highly variable. Part of my point in saying this is in response to people going around saying the drought is a result of- or somehow meaningfully connected to- human-created climate change. Sometimes I wonder if people have forgotten that the climate is perfectly capable of changing on its own and has for, well, forever. But my main point is that it has been established that California, like other places, can see and has seen significant and sudden changes in its local environment and climate; the time when most of interior California was turned into a lake for two months in 1862 is a rather good example of this. (The disappearance of Lake Cahuilla in the Salton Sink ~400 years ago being another.)

I suppose when you throw in earthquakes and all that you could say that maintaining present levels of human settlement in California is more trouble than it's worth, but, again, in the long run one can make the case for more or less every part of the planet, particularly coastal regions. I doubt the "sensible" thing to do is to abandon such regions or to start treating urban areas like temporary settlements, but rather trying to work around whatever problems we can expect and, yes, minimise human impact on the climate (where that is desirable- I daresay we would like to prevent another Ice Age if that were to happen), while being conscious that the climate will change all the same on its accord and in it will often not be in ways we like.

So, in short, the solution to this drought and recurring droughts in California is not to declare that we need to abandon this industry or that sector, or that we shouldn't live in the state, or such. The solution lies in technical measures to mitigate these events, and those manmade factors that have a deleterious effect on the the climate or exacerbate adverse conditions.

EDIT: This is a useful chart-


http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-04-09
82  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: CA: Gov. Brown orders mandatory water restrictions (25% reduction statewide) on: April 14, 2015, 03:09:53 pm
Well current income levels are also historically abnormal, unless you're measuring meat consumption by some other metric than consumption per capita or the like. And people, generally speaking, like meat; meat consumption goes up with income.

I would hesitate to call the region, or indeed most regions in general, "overpopulated". Carrying capacity of course is determined not just by the quality of the land and climate but is also a factor of human inputs- and I'd say California has tied itself into a position where it essentially has imposed an artificially low carrying capacity relative to what is realistically feasible (and even desirable) with present technical levels. In other words, this could be avoided if not for California (and American, to an extent) politics.

Of course, none of this changes the fact that building all these houses in the desert is an absolutely daft idea.
83  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Krugman: It Takes a Party on: April 14, 2015, 02:58:02 pm


Is this supposed to mean Paul Krugman has been wrong on everything ever?
84  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: CA: Gov. Brown orders mandatory water restrictions (25% reduction statewide) on: April 14, 2015, 02:52:49 pm
Why not just ban all agriculture in the state? Problem solved!

Exactly the kind of forward-thinking solutions we need! Preserve the environment and increase efficiency- no more of that wasteful meat, especially!

Tbf, would a decreased amount of meat be such a big ask? Especially as meat substitutes are getting much better nowadays...

Yes, yes it would. This sort of "vegetarianism is an ecological necessity" thinking is what I was trying to get at in the first place. It is completely unnecessary.
85  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: CA: Gov. Brown orders mandatory water restrictions (25% reduction statewide) on: April 14, 2015, 02:46:25 pm
Why not just ban all agriculture in the state? Problem solved!

Exactly the kind of forward-thinking solutions we need!

Soylent Water is the obvious solution

Even better! People are, after all both an inefficient use of resources and harmful to the environment.
86  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: CA: Gov. Brown orders mandatory water restrictions (25% reduction statewide) on: April 14, 2015, 02:38:47 pm
Well the progressive solution must be to ban almonds, then.
87  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Why is Trevor Noah allowed to post hateful remarks? on: April 14, 2015, 02:31:39 pm
Because most of the people who are pearl-clutching over it are paternalists disguising themselves as defenders of social justice.

I don't buy this.

I mean it's mostly white Christians getting angry because a Jewish man (who would be accepted under Israel's Law of Return) is making jokes about his own people.

Pretty clear-cut case of paternalism.

I'm lost as to how this is paternalism.
88  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary's logo is an arrow pointing to the right on: April 14, 2015, 02:27:20 pm
Whatever point you're trying to make it seems the New Yorker agrees with you:

89  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Hungary By-Election, Tapolca on: April 14, 2015, 02:15:41 pm
No. I don't have a list or anything.
90  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: IB Times: Jeb Bush's Administration Steered Florida Pension Money to Donors on: April 14, 2015, 01:55:54 pm
It's an obvious conflict of interest. Today, it would be illegal.

It's not a conflict of interest to continue doing business with a firm that was involved before he ever did. By that standard pretty much every governor or major elected pension fund manager has a "conflict of interest". I mean why don't we go writing the same thing about Rick Perry?

You're essentially suggesting that what Jeb should have done is prevent any of these firms from managing the state's pensions, which essentially means- because it looks like all the major firms gave to GWB- the money should have gone uninvested.
91  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: UK General Discussion II on: April 14, 2015, 01:47:54 pm
Honestly I thought the Romanians had replaced the Polish as the bÍte noire of the Euroskeptics- at least in Britain, I assume on the Continent it would be the Gypsies.
92  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Hungary By-Election, Tapolca on: April 14, 2015, 01:35:05 pm
That bar chart threw me off for a minute. I can see that it reflects vote totals rather than percentages, but I was thoroughly perplexed as to how 24% and 35% could have the same height for a while. Either way, I don't think it is cause for further alarm.

Hungary is one of the handful of countries (that have discernible left-right political divides) where I could actually see myself voting for the left-wing party. It's probably because the MSZP is practically a liberal and not a socialist party, why they much less choose to retain the aura of the old Communist Party eludes me- probably some internal politics I don't know about.
93  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: IB Times: Jeb Bush's Administration Steered Florida Pension Money to Donors on: April 14, 2015, 01:23:24 pm
Every other state pension fund wasn't overseen by the brother of the president of the United States.

Your point being?
94  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Christie fails to report income, avoids $152k in taxes on: April 14, 2015, 01:03:07 pm
Oh dear.
95  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Wayne LaPierre: "One Demographically Symbolic President Is Enough" on: April 14, 2015, 01:02:35 pm
Who?
96  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: IB Times: Jeb Bush's Administration Steered Florida Pension Money to Donors on: April 14, 2015, 01:01:38 pm
This is made to sound much worse than it really is, just look at the firms they're mentioning-

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Carlyle was not the only name-brand financial giant to receive Florida pension money. With Bush as governor, the state invested in behemoths such as Blackstone Group, Goldman Sachs, Deutsche Bank, Morgan Stanley, JPMorgan Chase, Lehman Brothers, UBS and Prudential Financial. Those eight, which all employed George W. Bush Pioneers, received more than $1.3 billion in Florida pension money.

Everyone has pension money in these bulge bracket firms, and those firms usually donate to both sides. Florida would have had to go out of its way to not invest in them. At worst, it's akin to saying "financial sector leans Republican". It's a pure non story, but the alarming but admittedly impressive thing about it is how they make it sound.

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As Jeb Bush oversaw the State Board of Administration (SBA) that runs Florida’s massive public pension system, the state shifted billions of dollars into higher-risk, higher-fee alternative investments

As did virtually every other state pension fund. This really is a non-story but Bush is going to have to be careful how he responds to this, since to the uninformed listener it sounds like "CRONY CAPITALIST CORRUPTION OH".
97  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Atlasian Laborinth - CORRUPTION IN THE PACIFIC on: April 14, 2015, 12:09:53 pm
Here it is: http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=161033.0

98  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Office of Governor Simfan34 - A Victory in Our Fight For Order! on: April 14, 2015, 12:06:39 pm
I have just heard the news myself. This is a matter of public health. I will comment in detail soon.
99  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Should Armenian Genocide denial be a criminal offense? on: April 14, 2015, 12:03:35 pm
Yes. Denying any historically proven genocide should be a criminal offense.

There's a slippery slope there.
100  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: CO-Quinnipiac: Sen. Bennet (D) down in early look on: April 14, 2015, 11:26:27 am
Does Quinnipiac have a history of being bad pollsters in CO? I seem to remember them being terrible at polling there.

Yes they have.
How does it make sense that 46% approve Bennett but only 43% would vote for him? Most senators would kill to have +17 approval ratings.

It'd odd, but stuff like this happens:

In 2006, Lincoln Chafee lost his Senate seat in RI - despite having a 65% approval rating in the exit poll.

Wait, what? How is that possible?
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