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76  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Kate Middleton pregnant with baby #2 on: September 12, 2014, 08:38:52 am
I can understand some of our posters being averse to the guillotine imagery being posted in this thread. After all, England has a perfectly good alternative to the guillotine pioneered in the days when it decided that monarchy wasn't such a great idea after all -- before the counterrevolution and the restoration of monarchy in all-but name under Cromwell, of course.

77  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Ian Paisley, 1926-2014 on: September 12, 2014, 08:32:41 am
Good riddance.
78  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Which Park? on: September 12, 2014, 12:19:48 am
Not being poor.
79  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: opinion of removing your avatar on 9/11 on: September 11, 2014, 11:54:29 pm
80  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Forty years. on: September 11, 2014, 11:28:48 pm
Haile Selassie: Freedom Fighter - shooting at Fascists

Quote from: Paul Robeson
Yes, all Africa remembers that it was Litvinov who stood alone beside Haile Selassie in Geneva, when Mussolini's sons flew with the blessings of the Pope to drop bombs on Ethiopian women and children.

Quote from: Nelson Mandela
Ethiopia has always held a special place in my own imagination and the prospect of visiting attracted me more strongly than a trip to France, England and America combined. I felt I would be visiting my own genesis, unearthing the roots of what made me an African. Meeting the emperor himself would be like shaking hands with history.

Quote from: Zhou Enlai
His Imperial Majesty has greatly enhanced and made new contributions to strengthening the cause of the Afro-Asian peoples' cause of unity against imperialism.

Quote from: Mao Zedong
The Ethiopian people have a glorious tradition of resisting aggression from abroad. Since the 16th century, they have been waging unyielding struggles against foreign aggressors... The Chinese and Ethiopian peoples have always supported each other in their common struggle against imperialism.

Quote from: Leon Trotsky
The victory of [Haile Selassie], however, would mean a mighty blow not only at Italian imperialism but at imperialism as a whole, and would lend a powerful impulsion to the rebellious forces of the oppressed peoples. One must really be completely blind not to see this.

Quote from: Ian Donovan
Selassie was the leader of a progressive, national struggle, despite his social origins. Selassie's struggle had a democratic content, and was no different in essence from any other of the anti-colonial struggles for nationhood and independence that were characteristic of the period. lassie built hospitals and schools. [He] systematically sought to promote industrialisation and economic growth, to lead his backward empire to modernity and international legitimacy.

Quote from: Oriana Fallaci
Among today's Italians, when treading upon Haile Selassie's memory, the sense of guilt and shame is such that they react by seeing only his positive traits: the merits of his past actions. His portrayals always brim with excessive deferance, unwarranted admiration and delusion. They go on and on about his priestly composure, his regal dignity, his great intelligence and his generosity towards former adversaries.
81  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Forty years. on: September 11, 2014, 10:25:25 pm

Haile Selassie signs the act reuniting Ethiopia with Eritrea, 1952.

Haile Selassie cuts the artificial and colonial border dividing one part of Ethiopia from the rest of the country.

In ancient times, when Ethiopia enjoyed the unencumbered rights of her extensive coastline, such a name as Adulis, the thriving port on the Red Sea, was a recognized gateway for a flourishing maritime commerce. One of the underlying motives for Our journey to Europe in 1924 was to secure at whatever cost a free port for Ethiopia even if it meant securing one on lease. And as a result of Our discussions with the then Italian leader what was proposed to be given to Us as a concession did not exceed a few thousand square metres of land on the coastline. But today, by the grace of God, Ethiopia is master of her territorial waters and of her own ports. Today, We stand here at a moment when history is to repeat itself, when Ethiopia will again have her own appropriate role to play in international commerce. With the inauguration of the port of Assab, which accords so readily and significantly with Ethiopia’s expanding trade, the ocean-borne carriers of international trade will again shelter and service in Ethiopian waters.

The opening of the Assab Port is the capstone of a significant chapter in the history of modern Ethiopia – the fulfilment of a long-desired dream. The history of the return to Ethiopia of her seaports, which this ceremony vividly recalls, is well-known. Only ten years ago, Ethiopia’s commerce through the international sea-lanes was subject to the wishes and dictates of others. Not only was Our country’s economic life stifled but being left without any outlet to the sea, Ethiopia was barred from enjoying the fruits of normal and unencumbered international trade. Only those who have been required by geographical position or historical circumstance to live without a port opening on an international waterway can appreciate the full measure of the restrictions which are attendant upon a land-locked life. It is unfortunate that even today, certain countries of the world suffer from the same predicament. As We said on this very spot years ago when We here laid the cornerstone for the construction of this now happily completed project “No Ethiopian of this or future generations can afford to forget the disadvantages under which Our country suffered in the days when We had no access to the sea.”

Statue of Haile Selassie in Massawa, Ethiopia.

The Emperor looks at Ethiopia's sea shore in Massawa, Ethiopia

Banknote of the time.

Haile Selassie at a ceremony for the Ethiopian Navy at the Naval Headquarters in Massawa, Ethiopia.

Haile Selassie Avenue, Asmara, Ethiopia
82  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Forty years. on: September 11, 2014, 09:59:18 pm

Quote from: Address to the League of Nations, 1936
I assert that the problem submitted to the Assembly today is a much wider one. It is not merely a question of the settlement of Italian aggression.

It is collective security: it is the very existence of the League of Nations. It is the confidence that each State is to place in international treaties. It is the value of promises made to small States that their integrity and their independence shall be respected and ensured.

Apart from the Kingdom of the Lord there is not on this earth any nation that is superior to any other. Should it happen that a strong Government finds it may with impunity destroy a weak people, then the hour strikes for that weak people to appeal to the League of Nations to give its judgment in all freedom. God and history will remember your judgment.

I ask the fifty-two nations, who have given the Ethiopian people a promise to help them in their resistance to the aggressor, what are they willing to do for Ethiopia? And the great Powers who have promised the guarantee of collective security to small States on whom weighs the threat that they may one day suffer the fate of Ethiopia, I ask what measures do you intend to take?

Representatives of the World, I have come to Geneva to discharge in your midst the most painful of the duties of the head of a State. What reply shall I have to take back to my people?

Quote from: Address to the United Nations, 1963
On the question of racial discrimination, the Addis Ababa Conference taught, to those who will learn, this further lesson:

That until the philosophy which holds one race superior and another inferior is finally and permanently discredited and abandoned:

That until there are no longer first-class and second class citizens of any nation;

That until the colour of a man's skin is of no more significance than the colour of his eyes;

That until the basic human rights are equally guaranteed to all without regard to race;

That until that day, the dream of lasting peace and world citizenship and the rule of international morality will remain but a fleeting illusion, to be pursued but never attained;

And until the ignoble and unhappy regimes that hold our brothers in Angola, in Mozambique and in South Africa in subhuman bondage have been toppled and destroyed;

Until bigotry and prejudice and malicious and inhuman self-interest have been replaced by understanding and tolerance and good-will;

Until all Africans stand and speak as free beings, equal in the eyes of all men, as they are in the eyes of Heaven;

Until that day, the African continent will not know peace.

Quote from: Address, 1963
Throughout history, it has been the inaction of those who could have acted, the indifference of those who should have known better, the silence of the voice of justice when it mattered most, that has made it possible for evil to triumph.

Quote from: Opening of the first Parliament, 1932
You must know and understand that besides your own birthplace, there are others next to you, and that besides your own cities, there are others around you, and that all these places and cities together make one big nation and those living in it are all sons and daughters of one Ethiopia and that these people from time immemorial lived as one family and one people thus being members of the greater family of man. You must, therefore, realize that besides issues concerning your own birthplace there are greater issues concerning all provinces and all families which, when put together, are of common interest to all, and that the protector of these common interests is the Government while the Emperor is the source of enlightenment to all.

Quote from: Remarks to the Council on Foreign Relations, 1967
It is a truism that self-help, hard work and initiative are requisites for any nation's economic and social advancement. Yet it is equally true that there still are outmoded international arrangements which seriously limit the efforts of developing countries to develop their potential.

So long as there remain impediments to the free flow of international trade; so long as there is no guaranteed price of primary goods at remunerative level without discrimination, the economic and social development of the developing nations will remain seriously handicapped. It is in this connection that the economically advanced nations can render valuable contribution. Such nations could, as an instance, extend further bilateral or multilateral assistance and waive obstructing arrangements such as preferential tariffs as well as other protective systems which, in the long run, prove ,a disservice to the economic and social progress of developing nations.

It is here that the economically advanced countries can make maximum contribution and thereby help to usher in a great new age, an era of "economic liberalism."

Quote from: Address on the occasion of Commencement at Haile Selassie University, 1971
A hungry person cannot be appeased by merely being told about his hunger; similarly, what Ethiopia needs is not a person who can talk about her problems but someone who is determined to serve her with enthusiasm, re-inspired by her long and glorious history and spurred by the present gap. This can best be manifested not in words but in deeds.

Your conviction to help the country must be demonstrated in your determination to work. To do that, you must, instead of working for personal ends, toil for the community and common results. This would, in turn, call for dedication to live, work and serve in the rural areas where it is less comfortable. This again would be seen in the fruits of your undertakings and not in what others say about them or see in them.

You should, therefore, be guided by the courage, determination, loyalty and honesty passed down through generations, translate what you have acquired from school into action to help your country and your people.

You are expected to participate fully in the national struggle for development, to exploit the natural resources and till the green, fertile land of our country, lest Ethiopia be a 'have-not' when it actually has all the potentialities for development.

Quote from: Remarks on Ethiopiawinet (Ethiopianism), 1965
Ethiopia is an ancient land and her civilisation is the result of the harmonious alchemy of the past and the present, upon which we confidently build for the future. This heritage is the bedrock of modern Ethiopia.

In it the people have chosen to distil from the past that which is useful and enduring, to adapt those worthwhile attributes of our present day world, and to fashion this modern ethiopianism - the foundation of our social order that has served so admirably the purpose of the nation's steady advance.

Be it recognised that while the institutions which Ethiopians have inherited from their forefathers still proudly carry their ancient designation, the contents of these valued institutions have been adapted to meet the rising expectations of the present generation of Ethiopians ;

Be it known to all who judge our institutions by the labels We have inherited from our past civilisation, that Ethiopian institutions, regardless of their nomenclature, are the fruits of Ethiopianism - this optimum combination that the people of Ethiopia themselves have fashioned to serve the fulfilment of their national destiny ;

Be it understood that while we Ethiopians are justly proud of Our national heritage, we do not look backwards to find our national purpose but forward to the full realisation of Our national goals.
83  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Who was President when your parents were born? on: September 11, 2014, 08:32:27 pm

His Majesty, George VI, by the Grace of God King of Great Britain, Ireland and the British Dominions beyond the Seas, Defender of the Faith

The Conquering Lion of the Tribe of Judah, His Imperial Majesty, Haile Selassie I, Emperor of Ethiopia, Elect of God.
84  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of WillipsBrighton on: September 11, 2014, 07:40:35 pm
I very much appreciate his contributions on the International Elections/ General Discussion boards. Who else can be relied upon to care about presidential elections in Mali?
85  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: August 2014 Napa Valley Earthquake Relief for the Pacific Act (Debating) on: September 11, 2014, 05:16:08 pm
I would humbly suggest that one of the Senators move to continue debate. I thought I had thrown out a number before, but apparently not. Given a bit of time- perhaps sometime this weekend, but not right away- I could come up with some sound numbers. In the meanwhile let me just lay out what assumptions I am making and what I'm going to be looking for when trying to find the numbers.

Questions I'll seek to answer:

Q1. What were the direct costs of earthquake, e.g. physical damage, lost goods, etc?
Q1a. What proportion (or how much) of these costs were covered by insurance?
Q1b. Of the uninsured losses, what proportion of these should the government provide compensation?
Q1c. What proportion (or how much) of these costs were to public infrastructures, e.g. roads, if not in this case then in comparable cases?

Q2. What are the projected additional (or indirect) economic losses to the region as a result of the earthquake?
Q2a. What are the specific projections for economic losses per industry or sector, where available?
Q2b. For which sectors would government assistance mitigate or lessen economic losses and to what extent, as suggested by prior cases?
Q2c. What would the costs of government assistance programs (e.g. tourism advertising campaigns, wine fairs) be, as suggested by prior cases?
Q3. What mitigatory policies could be pursued by the Regional Government to reduce damage from future earthquakes and/or the costs thereof (e.g. the ShakeAlert system, Earthquake Insurance, etc)?
Q3a. What would the costs of studying such policies be?
Q4. Maintaining that the federal and regional government should share the costs of relief and recovery, how should these costs be divided?

Now I don't want you all to lose me here, but I am going to put what I think the costs are in a mathematical expression. So let me define the variables, and forgive my gratuitous use of Century Schoolbook.

CPrivate = direct costs of losses for individuals/firms
CGovernment = direct cost of losses for the government
ψ = proportion of direct costs that are uninsured
λ = proportion of private uninsured damages the government would give relief for
L = the total cost of economic assistance programmes (see Q2c, above)
S = the total cost of studies on mitigatory programmes 
φ = the proportion of the total costs to by assumed by the federal government
TE= the expense, in total, of relief aid and other associated schemes
TEφ= the total expense to the federal government

Thus the number you are looking for here is TEφ, which is equal to...

TEφ = φ[(CPrivate × ψ × λ) + CGovernment + L + S]

So once I find the values- if the Senators could find some that would be very helpful, as well- to plug into this I can give you a number. But φ is something you'll have to decide, although we can go off precedent, which I'll also look for. And it goes without saying that the cost assumed by the region would be:

TERegion = (1 - φ)[(CPrivate × ψ × λ) + CGovernment + L + S]

Hope this helps us come closer to an idea of a number here. You might want to think of any specific conditions or things you would want to see done, although I'm obviously perfectly happy to take a nice lump sum back home and allocate it via the Legislative Council. But while I completely trust myself, if I were a Senator, I would, at the very least, throw in a provision mandating that the money that is being spent for certain reasons be spent  on those reasons, such that φ(CPrivate × ψ × λ) must be spent on direct relief for uninsured damages, φ(S)  must be spent on studies and research into mitigatory and preventive programmes and policies, and so forth. So after finding TEφ you'd just break it down and mandate that each thing be spent on what it is intended for...
86  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Libyan parliament moves its seat to a Greek ferry on: September 11, 2014, 12:42:37 pm
The UAE has interestingly been accused of helping the non islamist faction.

I'm very confused about who is who and who is helping who right now, I haven't had time to really read about in detail. I was under the impression the "Islamists" were Salafists mainly from Misrata. But is the Muslim Brotherhood also involved in the fighting? Have they really taken control over Tripoli and  Benghazi? Whatever happened to Haftar and his "Karama" operation? Is this parliament in Tobruk the actual parliament? Who controls what?

It's also confusing because not all branches of the Ikhwan - the Muslim Brotherhood- are the same, which is often overlooked. One such overlook-er, to a certain extent, would have been the Saudis, which led them to support the secularist el-Sisi over the theoretically ideologically closer Ikhwan. But the Saudi Ikhwan, to the extent of my knowledge, is a considerably more radical outfit- who consider the Saudis and their Wahabism too lenient and resented their cooperation with the US during the Gulf War (the same thing that led bin Laden to break with the Saudis- than the Egyptian Ikhwan , which (during times when was not banned), stuck mainly to charity work and supported tolerance of Copts.

That's not to say Morsi was some sort of moderate, but his problems had to do more with incompetence (appointing a terrorist who targeted tourists Governor of the tourist hub of Luxor, for example) and a fair amount of deliberate conspiracy (utility cuts and disappeared police seemingly at random) rather than his radicalism. So the question here is- what is the Libyan Ikhwan like? Are they like their Saudi or Palestinian (aka Hamas) counterparts, or are they more tolerant accommodationists like their Egyptian or Tunisian counterparts, that could conceivably be involved in the governing process? I need to read more about this, because it's all very confusing right now.

But again I'm rather shocked that this has all but entirely fallen under the radar of most people and news agencies. I feel like I now know what Beet feels like when he talks about Ebola and no one seems bothered.

I still feel like my idea from a few weeks back would be a possible solution, but I'd imagine it's a bit less viable today than it was then:

This Haftar guy would seem better if he wasn't so bad at hiding his ambitions to become a Libyan el-Sisi. Fighting Islamists is a good thing, but his open hostility to the Muslim Brotherhood seems more a desire to eliminate potential political rivals rather than radical Islamism; the real and active threat are the Salafists. And in that context his desire to seek the aid of Saudi Arabia seems counterproductive.

What should happen is that someone with sufficient legitimacy (yes, I am imagining the Sanussis here) should step in between the MB and the Karama-ists, and assume power by telling the two sides they are necessary to prevent the other from wiping them out. The 1951 constitution would be restored on a probationary basis pending revision. The elected assembly should remain for the time being.

The militias should be de-authorised and re-shuffled into regular units of the standing army. Haftar should be given a promotion, feted, and then pensioned off; the officer corps should be filled mainly with pragmatic anti-Islamists. Martial law should be used to crack down on Salafists  and would-be troublemakers. A liberal should be appointed Prime Minister, someone along the lines of Ali Zeidan. Failing all else they could resort to Egyptian intervention, but that's bound to alarm the Muslim Brotherhood when their cooperation is needed.

When something resembling stability is restored to the country the political reform process should be resumed and quickly concluded; the federalist 1951 Constitution should be adopted with a few changes here and there. It would be better if most of the federal powers were invested in the governorates of 1963 rather than the three provinces which would be largely ceremonial; they had proved unwieldy and too polarising. The role of religion in governance should be broadly similar to that in Morocco, with Sharia remaining primarily in the realm of family law.

I get the impression that the Muslim Brotherhood, and more radical Islamist elements, are markedly less popular in Libya than in Egypt, after all they are considered to have suffered considerable losses in the recent elections. The Muslim Brotherhood should thus be told that must disclaim political activity, and its affiliated parties should take after the AK Party and adopt "conservative democracy" rather than Islamism. The appointed Senate should be used as a bulwark of the sort of pragmatic politics that the government aims to foster. Meanwhile Salafism should continue to be untolerated, and Saudi influences rejected, and the temperance of the Sanussiyah order used to encourage moderate Islam.

Democracy is useful at times, as it stops people from shooting at each other during political disputes, not to mention that it allows for bad leaders to be thrown out; that being said I'd take a good dictator over a good democrat every day of the week. The problem with a sudden democratisation is that it, for the most part, lacks institutional support and can very easily be swept away. Often what this translates into is that people perceive that a democratic opening is little more than a fleeting opportunity for one faction to seize complete control of the state, and the benefits thereof, to the complete exclusion of any others, which results in wide-scale violence over what is seen as a winner-takes-all-and-permanently-so contest. Such occurrences have been common, in Africa since the late 1980s- such as in Congo-Brazza in 1997, Cote d'Ivoire in 2000, Kenya in 2007, and Cote d'Ivoire again in 2011. Indeed I'd say that peacefully contested and truly competitive elections are have been the exceptions rather than the norm and only seem to happen in a few countries (Senegal since 2000, Ghana since 1992, and a handful of others). Morsi's election and tenure could, to a degree, be considered something fitting that description as well.

What has happened in Libya seems to be along those lines, between "Islamists" and liberals/nationalists, perhaps even trumping the regional affiliations that we thought would be the fault lines, although there seems to be a certain overlap between them- the "Islamists" seem to mainly be coming from Tripolitania (?) while the liberals/nationalists seem to primarily hail from Cyrenaica (?).  Again, I'm not really sure.
87  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Has anyone actually watched the beheading videos? on: September 11, 2014, 12:10:01 pm

I've seen the video of them shooting (at least hundreds of ) Iraqi soldiers, which also has several clips of them shooting at apparent random at cars and their drivers, not to mention shots of them blowing up mosques. Combined with the pictures of severed heads mounted on fence spikes in Raqqah and being held like toys by their fighters, and the pictures of headless children, I'd say I've had more than my fill of ISIS gore and have no desire to see more.

I was watching the video of them shooting the soldiers, at the very end, after shooting them on their bellies and shooting them bent over, they bring them down to some dock, shoot them and push them into the river, and there was just this pool of blood at the edge.

The slightly worrying thing was that I wasn't all revolted by the shootings themselves- I seemed to have been desensitised to it, maybe it was the lack of blood and guts, or maybe I was unable to fully process that this was real and not and not something out of a movie.

But what really set me off was when the last soldiers were being brought down to the dock, there was this guy that made a point of slapping each and every one of them on their back as they went past, as if the ignominy of being shot wasn't enough for them, that they had to disrespect their victims before murdering them.. That disturbed me more than anything else. These people are hell-bent on totally disrespecting, defiling, and destroying everyone and everything that doesn't fit their narrow definition of proper Islam.

This is another reason we should strike them wherever we can and aid those resisting them. The more resistance they face to their expansion, the less they are able to carry out these atrocities. The  explosives used to blow up mosques, shrines, and churches, the guns and bullets used to kill innocents, and the fighters used to carry out mass atrocities such as these, would instead be have to be diverted to fight on the front lines, averting, if only in part, such acts of inhumanity.
88  General Politics / International General Discussion / Forty years. on: September 11, 2014, 10:49:55 am

(Well, tomorrow)

Never forget the two million killed by preventable famine, avoidable war, or government death squads, especially the 60 loyal and esteemed servants of the nation gunned down on November 23. Never forget the other victims of both the brutal junta and the regimes that succeeded it, whose subjects enjoyec, even today, less rights, fewer freedoms, and less democracy than they did before that tragic day 40 years ago.

Let us also not forget the millions more who had to flee their country, my family included, the country divided, and whose people were soon made to fight against themselves in a war of near-sadistic uselessness, at the cost of hundreds of thousands of lives more. Let us remember the once proud nation and people deprived of their dignity and honour, a leader of the nations of its continent, that was reduced to a byword for poverty. Perhaps most of all let us not forget the inummerable opportunities lost and millions upon millions of lives cut short by poverty, disease, and other strife, all of which could have been avoided if a few power hungry and selfish army officers, egged on by a handful of extraordinarily arrogant, entitled, and ungrateful university students, had remembered who they served and who had created and allowed for, in most cases singlehandedly, the opportunites that allowed for them to achieve the stature they did. It was not a revolution. It was a coup of ingrates.

More relevantly, I need to make sure it's at least on the front page of Wikipedia, and I might actually pull an all-nighter to actually write the article I started on the coup.

My God, why did I put this off?
89  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: It's been 13 years on: September 11, 2014, 10:46:27 am
Stop removing your avatars. Jesus.

Right on cue!

And 40 years, tomorrow. I'd change my avatar but we don't have one, and I'd change the flag but I'm not going to show one with that ridiculous thing in the middle that serves no purpose but for the present regime to mark it's territory like some piss in dog.

I did make an avatar that reflected the rightful borders, however, so I'll probably put that in my signature.

As for 9/11, I don't really feel anything. I didn't even think about it really, my main focus was on the Ethiopian New Year. But RIP I guess.
90  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International What-ifs / Re: What if Etihopian monarch Haile Selassie wasn't ousted in military coup in 1974 on: September 11, 2014, 09:55:34 am
Umban TX Conservative Dem.

40 years. Never forget.
91  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Hot or not ? on: September 11, 2014, 09:49:16 am
I will concede she's indeed quite attractive, yes.
92  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Libyan parliament moves its seat to a Greek ferry on: September 10, 2014, 05:49:04 pm
Libya seems to have turned into Somalia c. 1990 without anyone noticing.

And f[inks]ing Qatar, and Sudan (and probably Saudi Arabia) are backing these Islamists. What probably needs to happen now is a joint Algerian (who bizarrely have the largest military budget in Africa) and Egyptian invasion of the country to crush the Islamists. They put the Sanusis back in power for legitimacy, the new government disarms and reorganises the militias into a coherent armed force, and adopts regionalism. The countries place pressure on Qatar for supporting the Islamists, US gives them a bit of a slapping, problem... solved? They can forgo the aid since they have oil, after all.

Oh and also Haftar has proven himself to be completely useless.
93  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVI: Sidejackin' it in the Train Room. on: September 10, 2014, 05:42:30 pm
A 79 is a C+.
94  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Hot or not ? on: September 10, 2014, 05:39:22 pm
Ban these sorts of threads.
95  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Ukraine Crisis on: September 10, 2014, 09:28:27 am
Obama's balls are not the problem here.
96  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Rick Perry indicted on abuse of power on: September 10, 2014, 09:18:55 am
An interesting (now deleted) tweet from earlier today:


Although the tweet came from Perry’s personal account — as opposed to the ones run by his staff — it was unclear Sunday evening whether he actually sent it out. The governor was reportedly preoccupied working the crowd at McLane Stadium in Waco as Baylor’s football team played its first game there.

"A tweet just went out from my account that was unauthorized. I do not condone the tweet and I have taken it down.

— Rick Perry (@GovernorPerry) September 1, 2014"

It could have been funny.
97  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Discuss this picture on: September 10, 2014, 09:09:30 am

Had another poster made this thread I would have been legitimately concerned, yes.
98  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: Pacific Council:ROLC.(Debating). on: September 10, 2014, 12:19:21 am
I suggest the following amendment be made.


To revise the rules of order of the Legislative Council of the Pacific Region in the interest in the clarification of procedures and the function of the legislative process


1. These rules shall be referred as the "Rules of Order of the Legislative Council of the Pacific Region"


1. Legislation - any bill, Constitutional amendment, or resolution.

2. Legislative Council - the Legislative Council of the Pacific Region, by which name the regional legislature shall be known.

3. MLC - an abbreviation for the title of Member of the Legislative Council.

4. Speaker - the Legislative Council's presiding officer.

5. Sponsor - the person who introduces a piece of legislation to the thread for the present session of the Legislative Council or the MLC who assumes sponsorship when the original sponsor of a piece of legislation leaves the Senate or withdraws his or her sponsorship

6. Council Floor - the threads open for debate and voting on legislation in the Legislative Council on the Regional Governments board


1. The Speaker shall be the presiding officer of the Legislative Council and shall be responsible for upholding the provisions of these rules. No MLC other than the Speaker may open a thread on the Regional Government board unless authorized by the Speaker or by a resolution of the Legislative Council.

2. The Governor shall convene the Legislative Council to elect a Speaker amongst its members, by majority consent, at the beginning of each new session of the Legislative Council. If the Legislative fails to reach majority consent within one week, the Governor may serve as Speaker until agreement is reached.

3. If the Speaker fails to conduct the outstanding business of the Legislative Council for a period exceeding three days (i.e., 72 hours), then Governor shall become Acting Speaker and preside over Legislative Council at least until the Speaker indicates his presence in the official thread of the Legislative Council opened by the governor.

4. If the Speaker fails to post on the Regional Governments Board for a period exceeding one week (i.e., 168 hours), the seat of the Speaker and the office thereof are to be declared vacant and the Governor, in his capacity as Acting Speaker, may proceed to hold new elections.


1. Legislation shall be introduced in a thread opened by the Governor, as mandated by the regional Constitution, for the official business of the Legislative Council.

2. Only the Members of the Legislative Council and the Governor shall have the right to introduce legislation, which shall be filed into a legislative queue.

3. There shall be three legislative slots, in the form of threads on the Regional Governments forum, for general legislation. The Speaker shall thus normally bring no more than three pieces of legislation to the floor, and into a slot, for debate, and in the order in which they were introduced into the queue, with the exception of ....

4. An fourth, additional legislative slot shall be reserved for the Governor to personally bring to the floor legislation related to regional or emergencies as declared by the Governor or the Federal Government, or legislation relating to the Pacific Recovery (for the period of its duration). The debate on such legislation shall be presided over normally by the Speaker.

5. Each piece of legislation shall be posted in a clearly named thread that prefaces the title of the legislation with the abbreviation for the region (i.e. PA) and the number of the legislative slot. (e.g. "PA3: Piece of Legislation (Pacific) Act of 2014")


1. Legislation shall be debated on for at least 48 hours, and any amendments to legislation shall result in debate being extended for at least an additional 24 hours. Votes on contested amendments to legislation shall last for 24 hours and votes on final bills shall last for 48. In the case of a unanimous final vote in favour or in opposition to a piece of legislation, the Speaker may terminate the voting period early.

2. The Speaker shall, at his discretion, extend the debating period for legislation to 72 hours. After the end of the discretionary debating period of 48-72 hours (in addition to time added debate on amendments or other reason), the Speaker shall either move to extend debate for an indefinite period or to move to the final vote, in consideration of the course of debate. If no objection is made to either within a period of 12 hours, the Speaker shall then deem the motion carried and proceed accordingly.

3. If a member of the Legislative Council objects to the Speaker's motion to continue or end debate, the Speaker shall hold a vote, lasting for no more than 24 hours, on his motion. If a motion to continue debate is defeated, the debate shall be considered ended and the Speaker shall move to the final vote and if a motion to move to the final vote is defeated, debate shall continue.

4. A member of the Legislative Council may move to end debate after at least 48 hours have passed since the introduction of the legislation; upon such a motion the Speaker shall hold a vote, lasting for no more than 24 hours, on said motion. If the motion is successful, debate shall be closed and the Speaker shall move to the final vote.

5. Upon the approval of a bill by the Legislative Council, the Speaker shall forward the bill to the Governor for his approval or veto.

6. Legislation shall be considered no longer on the Legislative Council floor, and its slot considered empty, upon its approval, rejection, tabling, or explicit passage into law (in the case of a bill), after which the Speaker shall lock the thread.

7. In the case of emergency legislation introduced in the fourth slot, the Governor shall have the right to direct the Speaker to abbreviate debate to a period of no less than 3 hours, and votes on such legislation shall be ended immediately after enough votes have been cast to ensure its passage; however affirmative votes made after such a time, and before the Governor signs or vetoes the bill, shall be recorded.
99  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Does this look tasty to you? on: September 09, 2014, 04:11:16 pm
No, I don't like oreos.

What the f[inks] is wrong with you?

You don't need to interpret everything as a personal insult, y'know? Wink

I walked right into that, yes. I knew it was bound to happen. Tongue
100  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The t_host1 Institute of Comedy on: September 09, 2014, 04:10:28 pm
No, I don't like oreos.

What the f[inks] is wrong with you?

You don't need to interpret everything as a personal insult, y'know? Wink

I knew it was a matter of time. Tongue
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