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5576  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Obama won't negotiate with Congress on debt ceiling on: September 16, 2013, 07:06:38 pm
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Obama said "the last time the same crew threatened this course of action," the mere talk of a debt default sent the stock market into a months-long tailspin and slowed U.S. economic growth.

"I will not negotiate over whether or not America keeps its word and meets its obligations. I will not negotiate over the full faith and credit of the United States," he said.

"This country has worked too hard for too long to dig out of a crisis just to see their elected representatives here in Washington purposely cause another crisis," he said.

A Republican plan aimed at averting a government shutdown on October 1 ran into a wall of opposition last week from conservatives in the House, and leaders delayed votes on it until this week.
Reuters

Finally he learns...
5577  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Primary Election Polls / Re: CNN-National: Hillary dominates, Christie/Ryan tied on: September 16, 2013, 05:59:52 pm
I'm a bit surprised they didn't include Peter King, since he's openly considering a run.
5578  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Use a City to Describe the Previous Persons Ideology on: September 16, 2013, 05:51:40 pm
Burlington, VT
5579  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Gun Control Debate on: September 16, 2013, 05:42:48 pm
Right bear arms is an unassailable right.
Disagree.  It is a right, but like many rights (i.e. freedom of speech), there should be common sense limitations.

Oppose restrictions on the right to bear arms.
See above.

Loosen restrictions on interstate gun purchases.
Disagree.

Allow veterans to register unlicensed guns.
Disagree.

Recognize heritage of hunting and shooting on federal lands.
Agree.

No background checks at gun shows.
Disagree.

More penalties for gun violations.
Agree.

Guns don't have to be sold with trigger locks.
Disagree.

Prohibition remains on suing gun manufacturers and sellers for gun misuse.
Agree.

National cross-state standard for concealed carry.
Agree.

Ban on gun registration and trigger lock law in Washington D.C.
That's up to Washington, D.C.

No permit needed to -purchase a firearm or assault weapon.
Disagree.

No license required to own a firearm or assault weapon.
Disagree.

Allow for open carry outside of cities with exception of legal officials.
What do you mean "with the exception of legal officials?"

Require permits to carry on a shall issue basis.
Sure.

Require 12 hour training class before allowing open carry.
Agree.  If we require training courses for driving, I see no reason why we shouldn't require the same for owning guns.

One day waiting period for purchase of a firearm as opposed to 3 days.
I don't really understand the purpose of waiting periods.  There should, of course, be time for officials to conduct background checks.

Magazines holding more than 31 rounds considered as automatic firearms.
Okay.

Guns must be kept in a locker room at courthouses.
Why would you bring a gun to a courthouse?

No guns on or near schools and churches.
Agree.

Maintain current hunting laws to protect hunted species from going extinct.
Agree.

Firearms in Vehicles:
 
1. In a closed package, box, or case.
That should be acceptable.

2. In a compartment that can only be reached by leaving the vehicle.
Not sure how that would work.

3. In plain sight and secured in a rack or holder.
Agree.

4. Must be unloaded.
What's the point of having a gun in the car if it's unloaded?  Unless you're (legally) transporting one...
5580  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Use a City to Describe the Previous Persons Ideology on: September 16, 2013, 05:06:50 pm
I'm feeling... Colorado Springs?
5581  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Russian shot in quarrel over Kant's philosophy on: September 16, 2013, 05:05:10 pm
I Kant imagine what could have triggered such a heated debate, but at least they know how to stick to their guns.
Kant is a controversial guy. I have many heated debates about him.

My attempt at being punny. Tongue
5582  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Interesting PRRI survey numbers on religious left/religious right on: September 16, 2013, 05:01:43 pm
I posted another survey dealing with this, yes.  This one is just more detailed and has some interesting factoids.  I personally didn't expect that there would be so many American Catholics self-identifying as 'progressive.'

Why not? At least according to most surveys that I've seen in the recent past, Catholics have been roughly on par with or slightly to the left of America as a whole for a while now. (In the more distant past they were obviously a strongly partisan Democratic group but not really a strongly ideological 'progressive' or 'liberal' one in the sense that more recent surveys usually purport to measure.)

I don't deny that a significant number of American Catholics differ with official church teachings, I'm just a tad surprised that mainline Protestants don't outnumber them, what with the increasing number of Protestant churches adopting moderate-to-liberal political stances.

To be fair, though, this article isn't specific about what churches these mainline Protestants are affiliated with, so I suppose that has to be considered as well.
5583  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Breaking - four dead in mass shooting at Navy Yard in DC on: September 16, 2013, 04:43:04 pm
FBI Identifies Navy Yard Shooter As Aaron Alexis


They were showing pictures of a white guy earlier. Must of been an error.

There are two suspects involved, no?
5584  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Which of these pictures disturbs White Racists more? on: September 16, 2013, 04:34:14 pm
Taken out of context, probably B, since it's a mixed-race family. Taken with context, possibly A, though white nationalists could take the optimistic (for them) route in assuming Obama will be impeached and/or will be the only black president.

EDIT: If there's anybody who trolls those sites to make fun of them, how are those types of people reacting, by the way?

I ran a poll at my school among the racists and I showed them a pic of Black Family ( not Obama ) and pic of Bill and his family.  67% found the Black family worse.


wtf
Our School has a group of racists.  It is Arkansas after all.  The group though is not really big, only about 50 or so.

Fifty?  That's a hell of a lot.  Do they all meet after school?
5585  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Which of these pictures disturbs White Racists more? on: September 16, 2013, 04:09:19 pm
Taken out of context, probably B, since it's a mixed-race family. Taken with context, possibly A, though white nationalists could take the optimistic (for them) route in assuming Obama will be impeached and/or will be the only black president.

EDIT: If there's anybody who trolls those sites to make fun of them, how are those types of people reacting, by the way?

i ran a poll at my school among the racists and I showed them a pic of Black Family ( not Obama ) and pic of Bill and his family.  67% found the Black family worse.


wtf
5586  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Breaking - four dead in mass shooting at Navy Yard in DC on: September 16, 2013, 04:05:21 pm
FBI Identifies Navy Yard Shooter As Aaron Alexis

5587  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Renewable Fuel Standard on: September 16, 2013, 03:33:27 pm
I wrote this in another thread, but at this point it's probably deserving of a separate thread:

Bumping this.

Everyone has probably seen that "Mr. Slick and Dummy" commercial that's been making its rounds on the airwaves recently.  Eager to learn more, I went to their website and found some statistics that run contrary to the study that Torie posted.  For one, a World Bank study found that high fuel prices are the cause of higher food prices.  Additionally, a study by the University of Wisconsin and Iowa State University found that gasoline would have been an average of $1.09 higher in 2011 without ethanol.  As of August 2013, wholesale ethanol prices were 41 cents less expensive than gasoline.

I'm not really taking a side here, but I'm curious to know what our RFS skeptics make of this.  There's nothing I hate more than "professionally-conducted" studies that totally contradict each other.

And, yes, I know I'm taking the thread completely off subject now.

The contrarian study that Torie posted, by the way, can be found here.
5588  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Russian shot in quarrel over Kant's philosophy on: September 16, 2013, 03:23:14 pm
I Kant imagine what could have triggered such a heated debate, but at least they know how to stick to their guns.
5589  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Interesting PRRI survey numbers on religious left/religious right on: September 16, 2013, 03:16:11 pm
I posted another survey dealing with this, yes.  This one is just more detailed and has some interesting factoids.  I personally didn't expect that there would be so many American Catholics self-identifying as 'progressive.'
5590  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Cory Deluge of Absurdity, Ignorance, and Bad Posts III on: September 16, 2013, 03:10:09 pm
There's ways to get water for free. Using water as a political tool doesn't surprise me coming from the left. Think about how our ancestors dealt with water and it's lack of cleanliness and how easy we have it today.
5591  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Would the previous politician have voted for Obama had he/she been alive? on: September 16, 2013, 01:00:45 pm
Probably not.  He wouldn't even know what to think of the current government.

James O. Eastland
5592  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Interesting PRRI survey numbers on religious left/religious right on: September 16, 2013, 12:45:24 pm
I fail to see why that's good news, but whatevs brah.

Have fun being surrounded by religious progs. Grin
5593  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Interesting PRRI survey numbers on religious left/religious right on: September 16, 2013, 12:20:27 pm
Do Americans Believe Capitalism and Government are Working?: Religious Left, Religious Right and the Future of the Economic Debate
Religious left/right/moderate statistics are on the latter half of the page.

Some highlights:
  • A newly developed religious orientation scale that combines theological, economic and social outlooks finds that 28% of Americans are religious conservatives, 38% are religious moderates, and 19% of Americans are religious progressives; additionally, 15% of Americans are nonreligious.
  • Religious progressives constitute nearly twice the proportion of Millennials (23%), compared to the Silent Generation (12%). Among Millennials, there are also roughly as many nonreligious (22%) as religious progressives.
  • Catholics (29%) constitute the largest single group among religious progressives, followed by white mainline Protestants (19%), those who are not formally affiliated with a religious tradition but who nevertheless say religion is at least somewhat important in their lives (18%), and non-Christian religious Americans such as Jews, Buddhist, Hindus, and Muslims (13%).
  • Nearly 8-in-10 (79%) religious progressives say being a religious person is mostly about doing the right thing, compared to 16% who say it is about holding the right beliefs. By contrast, a majority (54%) of religious conservatives say being a religious person is primarily about having the right beliefs, while less than 4-in-10 (38%) say it is mostly about doing the right thing.

A lot of it is stuff we already know, but it's good to have a thorough overview of where America is and where it is headed religiously.
5594  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: "Are atheists mentally ill?" on: September 16, 2013, 12:03:50 pm
Afleitch, first of all, it has never been my intention to prove that someone is "wrong" on the issue of God's existence.  As I've stated before, being "right" is a very slender part of my philosophy, and I think that if there is a God, He or She shows compassion toward those who who had wrong belief or no belief.  I can only speak for myself on that, of course.

That being said, I don't see how having belief in God vs. not having belief in God is the same as being left-handed or right-handed.  Being right-handed is not a position one can take.  You cannot rationally defend your being right-handed, unlike your belief in God or non-belief in God.
5595  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Hectic night on: September 16, 2013, 11:29:18 am
I hope things get better, Bryan.  You and your family will be in my thoughts and prayers.
5596  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Breaking - four dead in mass shooting at Navy Yard in DC on: September 16, 2013, 11:21:02 am
My prayers are with the victims.
5597  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: The Onion produces a fake Subway 9/11 coupon, Subway accepts it anyway on: September 15, 2013, 11:49:03 pm
>Like everyone, we are deeply offended by the fake story and ad created by The Onion.

Bullsht.  You were laughing yourselves to Hell like everyone else was.

Getting the coupon accepted was an inside job, tho.  I hope the prankster is looking for a new job, not because of his offbeat sense of humor.  I actually applaud that considering that as a country we do overdramatize September 11.  But, defrauding one's employer for the sake a joke is not something that should be encouraged or accepted.

Heh.
5598  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Would the previous politician have voted for Obama had he/she been alive? on: September 15, 2013, 09:33:36 pm
I think so.

Huey Long
5599  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: California set to raise minimum wage to $10 on: September 15, 2013, 08:28:30 pm
The Democrats should raise the minimum wage and then index it to inflation. Of course they won't because they want a campaign issue. Roll Eyes

Eh, not necessarily.  If that were the case, then the Democrats probably wouldn't push so hard for gay marriage in their states.  The problem is most likely that there are too many Democratic legislators who feel uneasy about indexing the minimum wage to inflation.  Besides, right now would be an especially bad time to push for a federal policy since they can't even get the Tea Party House to support a modest increase.
5600  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Poll: Nearly half of likely Michigan voters favor legalizing, taxing pot on: September 15, 2013, 08:20:09 pm
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In the poll of 600 likely voters, 47% said they favor legalizing marijuana by taxing and regulating it like alcohol. Twenty-six percent said they favor continuing the system of state criminal penalties for marijuana offenses.

In addition, 16% said they would favor replacing criminal penalties for marijuana offenses with a fine, and 4% said they would like to see all state criminal penalties for marijuana offenses repealed. Seven percent were undecided or refused to answer.

The poll was commission by Michigan NORML, the state’s chapter of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws.
Detroit Free Press

It's a NORML poll, of course, so you kind of have to take it with a grain of salt.  Still, if Louisiana voters support pot legalization, I wouldn't be at all surprised if their numbers were accurate.
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