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1  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Is Homosexuality a sin? on: October 27, 2014, 03:19:09 pm
If the religious conservatives are right, on the other hand, why has no person ever been able to change their orientation? People talk about being "ex gay" but they don't actually change their orientation, they only change their behaviour.

If God is Love, would God put any human being in such a stressful conundrum?
2  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Is Homosexuality a sin? on: October 27, 2014, 03:16:18 pm
Voters for option one are more likely to be trolls, but oh well.
 

If you follow the logic that A) The Bible is innerant and B) The Bible teaches that
all homosexuals go to hell, then, in my opinion, people who believe it to be a sin
are not bigots or trolls, just people who follow what they were raised on and
don't really think about or doubt it. I don't believe any of these things, I am just
saying one should try to see things from another's point of view. I am certainly not a religious conservative, but a religious conservative could argue that calling them a bigot or troll is as unfair as it is to hate someone simply because they are homosexual, if it's ok to "play" the devil's advocate. On the other hand, if it is ok to call religious conservatives bigots, how is that any different than what Dawkins or Harris say about all Theists?
3  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: When will we know which party controls the Senate? on: October 25, 2014, 03:05:03 pm
NOTA


The Senate cannot be controlled until one party gets 60 seats. Tongue
This is the real right answer.
Which might happen in 2016.

How would that be possible?
I think it is possible, albeit unlikely, depending how this year's elections turn out
4  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: When will we know which party controls the Senate? on: October 25, 2014, 02:46:27 pm
NOTA


The Senate cannot be controlled until one party gets 60 seats. Tongue
This is the real right answer.
Which might happen in 2016.
5  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Arbitrary Easter. on: October 25, 2014, 02:44:24 pm
By the way, I believe that the Seventh Day Adventists observe Easter on Saturday.
6  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Arbitrary Easter. on: October 25, 2014, 02:40:48 pm
It should be in Spring, because you are not going to get rid of all the rabbits and eggs and pastel colors at this point.  It fits.

If you want to start associating dolphins and sand with Easter, however, move it to June.  

Well, I do like dolphins, but sand is another matter, it can be messy when it gets in everything.

But anyway, maybe I'll start believing in the Easter Dolphin which is as tenable as the Great Pumpkin, neither which we are supposed to discuss according the Linus of Peanuts.
7  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Arbitrary Easter. on: October 25, 2014, 02:39:01 pm
As for having Easter in the Spring, that is ok by me, and it is usually in April. It is these occasional late March Easters that I don't enjoy.
8  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Arbitrary Easter. on: October 25, 2014, 02:33:17 pm
The main point is that having two different dates for Easter is silly.
The second point is that I hate cold weather, so having Easter later, as the Orthodox do
makes more sense.

A third point is that all Protestants don't have to follow the Catholic Easter.

None of this has to do with "religion" per se, at least not for me.
In the US Christmas and Easter are as much if not more secular holidays anyway.

For your first point, obsession with any particular number of options, be it one, two, seven, or 666 is silly.
For your second point, when are you moving to Australia so you can celebrate Christmas in summer?  More seriously, given the nature of Pascha, early Spring is exactly when it should be held.
For your third point, during the 18th and early 19th centuries, some European Protestant state churches did use a different date, using the astronomical Easter unless it fell on Passover in which case they waited a week. (The Finnish Lutheran Church was the last to still use this method, deciding to go to the standard Western date in 1867.)

And finally, while your observation may unfortunately have some merit concerning Christmas, when it comes to Easter, at least around here, you couldn't be more wrong. It definitely is a holiday that is still more religious than secular, and in any case, both holidays are religious in origin. If secularists want to have a Winter Holiday or a Spring Holiday on some day other than we currently celebrate Christmas or Easter, fine.  Just don't insist those of us who still have religion abandon it to satisfy your ideas of what is logical.  It's as bad as those proposals for calendar "reform" that try to standardize calendrical days of the week by assigning leap days to be outside the seven day week cycle.

Actually, I am thinking about moving when I retire, but for now my job keeps me where I am.
But as for the secular vs. religion question Easter is not a legal holiday, whereas Christmas is. Therefore, Christmas is a secular holiday in that all those who don't have to work on that day, myself included, benefit from it as a legal holiday , which doesn't actually contradict what you are saying. But by the same token we are all using a seven day calendar, religious or not, and from my viewpoint andeight day week might make more sense, since it would make it easier to work five days and have three days off. They tried a ten day week in France after their revolution, but apparently that didn't last too long. Easter is pretty much a low key holiday and Christmas is way over done. I know I am not alone in not liking these long winters that we have been having lately.
9  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: wikipedia.org has no page for this site on: October 25, 2014, 08:39:48 am
I made an argument against deleting the page in the talk section (as Quadist).

I hope it is a valid point, if not please so advise.
10  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Arbitrary Easter. on: October 25, 2014, 08:22:39 am
The main point is that having two different dates for Easter is silly.
The second point is that I hate cold weather, so having Easter later, as the Orthodox do
makes more sense.

A third point is that all Protestants don't have to follow the Catholic Easter.

None of this has to do with "religion" per se, at least not for me.
In the US Christmas and Easter are as much if not more secular holidays anyway.
11  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: A hypothetical map for 11/4/14 on: October 24, 2014, 12:54:16 pm
I changed GA, this is my prediction although I am not predicting whether GA will be decided in November or January



12  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: wikipedia.org has no page for this site on: October 23, 2014, 08:35:46 pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions

I posted asking the question as to whether this idea is acceptable.
13  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: wikipedia.org has no page for this site on: October 23, 2014, 07:50:26 pm
Wiki is generally a pain when it comes to establishing notability and there doesn't seem to be any reviews of the site (except some peer reviews) or articles about the site.

I don't know if this has ever been discussed, but I noticed that there is no page on wiki for this site. I don't know if wikipedians would considered such a page justified, but I was curious what regulars on this forum think of the idea of creating a wiki page for this site.

I know of course that this site has it's own wiki pages, but that is not what I am talking about.
I am talking about wikipedia.org

Its a fine idea, but someone will have to do a lot of tedious work and possibly argue a lot with Wiki-Nazis over notoriety. Are you willing to do that?

Well, it would also be very time consuming, so I will have to think about it.
14  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / wikipedia.org has no page for this site on: October 23, 2014, 03:58:17 pm
I don't know if this has ever been discussed, but I noticed that there is no page on wiki for this site. I don't know if wikipedians would considered such a page justified, but I was curious what regulars on this forum think of the idea of creating a wiki page for this site.

I know of course that this site has it's own wiki pages, but that is not what I am talking about.
I am talking about wikipedia.org
15  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Will the Roman Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church ever be reunited? on: October 23, 2014, 11:01:08 am
Of course I brought up what I think is a very minor difference in my Easter thread.

Divisions between any two groups remind me of the old Star Trek episode where
the "superior" race was black on one side and white on the other.
The "oppressed" race was the exact opposite and yet basically the same.
White on the opposite side and black on the opposite side -from the other race.

In other words, why do people have to focus so much on their differences rather
than on their common ground?

It may be naive to hope for one united religion or even a reunification of these two religions,
but more unity "in spirit" is not only possible but seems to be happening more and more.

In so far as religions create conflict they are bad, in so far as they work together for the common good they are, obviously good.

Reason should be the ruling principle..
"Come let us reason together".

It is interesting that the Roman Catholic Church has remained united in the sense of no schisms in its history
(except, in so far as the East/West split and the Catholic/Protestant split are schisms of course) so, in
spite of internal divisions in remains one denomination; it is the Protestants who tend to split over the
tiniest and apparently insignificant nuances of doctrinal differences. The Catholics and Orthodox have so
much in common doctrinally speaking; of course I don't accept a lot of their beliefs (the Trinity and eternal damnation
being the big ones).

The paradox lies in the difference between "unity" and "harmony".
16  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: A hypothetical map for 11/4/14 on: October 23, 2014, 09:16:30 am
Update: There’s A 47 Percent Chance The 2014 Midterms Will Go To Overtime:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/senate-update-theres-a-47-percent-chance-the-2014-midterms-will-go-to-overtime/
17  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Arbitrary Easter. on: October 22, 2014, 09:48:03 am
It seems crazy that Christians can't get together on something as simple as a date for Easter.
Why not make it the fourth or maybe that last Sunday in April, where in much of the Northern Hemisphere it is usually fairly nice weather?
Having it in late March is not good, because it is often cold.
Sometimes the dates are the same, why not always?
The Eastern date makes more sense, because it is later, although sometimes it is in May:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_for_Easter
18  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Catholic church opens up - a little bit - to gay couples on: October 22, 2014, 09:42:19 am
How many Catholic priests are homosexuals? What per cent?
By that I don't mean practicing homosexuals, but anyone with
that orientation whether they act on their feelings or not.
It would make sense for a homosexual Catholic to become a
priest if he thinks it is a sin to be homosexual.
My guess that there are at least as many as the general population.

A while ago there was this movie "Priest" (1994) about a priest
struggling with his homosexual feelings while trying to maintain
a conservative "party" line.
19  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Is Homosexuality a sin? on: October 18, 2014, 11:56:02 am
I voted for 100% not a sin, but I would clarify with three points.

Something is only wrong if you know you are doing something wrong, so if
someone sincerely believes that they are doing nothing wrong then how
can they really be sinning? If you hurt someone, how do you feel if they
did the same to you? (golden rule), so if you know that you wouldn't want
someone to do something to you, you are being a hypocrite (and sinful) if you
do it to someone else.

2nd point, Anal sex and oral sex -if they are wrong in any way- are equally 'wrong'
if done heterosexually. I'm not saying that they are wrong, but only what's the difference
between homo vs hetero?

3rd in a philosophical sense (until we discovered artificial insemination), since up until now
virtual immorality has not been achieved, our survival as a species is dependent on heterosexuality. (however small a percentage, if 10% of us were heterosexual, heterosexuals would have to average 20 kids instead of 2)

Of course all of this is self evident, and, at least for me 'religion' has nothing to do with it.
20  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Who will lead the Senate and when will we know? on: October 18, 2014, 11:35:41 am
option four is Harry not Harrry ...

Smiley
21  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Who will lead the Senate and when will we know? on: October 18, 2014, 11:34:32 am
It will probably be Reid or McConnell, I'll vote Option 4....

Kentucky is close, but McConnell has a definite lead.

with runoffs likely in LA and GA the chances of knowing that the Republicans control
the Senate before December are 50% max. Same for the Democrats.
It could be 40%D and 50%R as the election day result with only a 10% tossup.
Tossup meaning a given election that would determine Senate control is too close
to call and/or a runoff or some other scenario.

15 day poll so you must vote before the election
22  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Who wins Colorado? on: October 18, 2014, 11:06:00 am
Gardner, unless things change soon (like I said in another thread).
23  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: A hypothetical map for 11/4/14 on: October 18, 2014, 11:04:54 am

This very well could be the results, although  Gardner currently has a clear lead in Co, so things would have to change very soon for Udall to win.
24  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: A hypothetical map for 11/4/14 on: October 15, 2014, 11:02:36 am
Unless Cassidy is doing extremely well, Louisiana would head to a runoff as well.

Any idea when that would be held?
25  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / A hypothetical map for 11/4/14 on: October 15, 2014, 10:09:56 am
This is a Senate map but for fun electoral votes are shown:

possible D states
138 electoral votes

possible R states
141 electoral votes

no Senate race
243 electoral votes

likely run off
16 electoral votes


this map is NOT a prediction
this map is Not likely
but it is one way that the Dems could keep the Senate
Iowa and Kansas are close - this map assumes Orman wins and caucuses Dem


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