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1  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Empty Quoting on: Today at 03:19:29 pm

ı,ɯ uoʇ snɹdɹısǝp
2  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Empty Quoting on: Today at 11:36:14 am
I don't like it. It lacks original thought and content. You're not going to stop it, however.
Resistance is FUTILE!

Oh and please don't quote this post without adding original thought... OR ELSE!
3  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: ɔɐu ʎon ɹǝɐp ʇɥıs¿ on: December 04, 2016, 05:47:19 pm
˙poƃ ɯʎ ןoʌǝ ı
4  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The "I am poll" on: December 04, 2016, 05:38:28 pm
“You're not a moron. You're only a case of arrested development.” Ernest Hemingway "The Sun also rises".
5  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of plurality voting on: December 04, 2016, 02:30:45 pm
IRV would help third parties, so fine I guess.
It could conceivably help the Democrats and Republicans as well. I don't know if it would end the two party system as it is now. I would suspect that they would still come out on top for the most part. It might force then to broaden their message a little, however.
6  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of plurality voting on: December 04, 2016, 02:27:23 pm
IRV would help third parties, so fine I guess.
Which of the 3 methods of IRV that I mentioned would be best?
How many people here would have an opinion on this question? Perhaps you should try doing a poll. There are many other alternatives to plurality voting, I am not sure why approval voting would be better or even as good as IRV, but I am interested in looking at all alternatives. There is understandably much discussion about abolishing the electoral college, but if it is done and plurality voting remains, I would have a problem with such a change. If someone wins the popular vote, but does not win it with a majority it still remains an issue as to whether that would be the ideal system.
7  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: word association game on: December 03, 2016, 06:37:04 pm
Pole
8  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The "I am poll" on: December 03, 2016, 12:28:30 am
Which one is ENTP?
Sponge Bob Square pants seems like he might be an ENTP. Smiley
9  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: How has BRTD influenced your view of Bernie Sanders? on: December 02, 2016, 02:41:10 pm
Much higher opinion of him.  I saw him on Conan the other night, and he really is a likable guy.  I now view him as a tragic figure, as it his not his fault that his following includes a plethora of lunatics and weirdos.
BRTD was on Conan? WOW!!! Congratulations BRTD.
10  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The "I am poll" on: December 02, 2016, 11:04:26 am
I am enlightened and anointed.  I am magnanimous and patient.  I am strong.  I am wise.  I am Jesus of Nazareth, the Buddha, Socrates, and Gandhi all rolled into one.  To know me is to love me.

Well, in that case I'd like to get to know you. Smiley
11  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Poll for Republicans: Should Republicans be gloating? on: December 02, 2016, 09:57:26 am
Why not wait and see, 1/20/17 is not far off. Wait until then to gloat, please, since we don't know what exactly will happen before that, although it is not unreasonable to make predictions.
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Poll for Republicans: Should Republicans be gloating? on: December 02, 2016, 09:55:08 am
I am definately not a Republican, so I voted "other".
13  General Politics / Individual Politics / Opinion of plurality voting on: December 02, 2016, 09:51:27 am
IRV is one alternative, but there are others.

Also, the issue of alternatives to the two party system is important.
Write ins should be counted. Every state should at least have the ability to write in, but not all states do.

Discuss
14  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: How has BRTD influenced your view of Bernie Sanders? on: December 02, 2016, 09:40:15 am
BRTD has influenced my opinion of BRTD.
15  Forum Community / Forum Community / The "I am poll" on: December 02, 2016, 09:36:09 am
Which of the nine personality types are you?
If more than one, you can change your vote, but you can only pick one type to begin with.

I am ignorant and selfish, at least in some ways; I think almost all people are.
Ignorant simply means you don't know everything. Being selfish is good, as long
as it isn't bad. The two together causes problems.
Perhaps we can evolve to a higher consciousness in the next 77 days, but I wouldn't bet on it.
16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: 15 Republican electors might not vote Trump?? on: December 01, 2016, 09:31:30 pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Jones_(radio_host)

By the way, I like fake news, it's my favorite part of Saturday Night Live.
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: 15 Republican electors might not vote Trump?? on: December 01, 2016, 09:19:52 pm
If enough Republican electors vote for Bernie, and Democratic electors switch from Clinton to Bernie, Bernie will POTUS! I don't know who would be VP, however. Well, so this sounds unlikely, right?
The truth is I think that it is unlikely Trump won't be elected this month. But if 37 GOP electors don't vote for Trump, that would not be a "constitutional crisis", the electors are just as free to vote their conscience as  were Democratic super delegates, right?
18  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is Trump's re-election inevitable? on: December 01, 2016, 05:39:16 pm
NOW I'VE BEEN CRYING LATELY


thinking about the world as it is
Why must we go on hating, why can't we live in bliss
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is Trump's re-election inevitable? on: December 01, 2016, 05:28:20 pm

One way or the other, Donald Trump will be a disaster as a President.
At this point, (assuming that it is inevitable that neither recounts nor faithless electors overturn the election) we'll soon find out how big a disaster it will be, but he only has two years to screw up the country. If he manages to do that, perhaps the Democrats can win back both houses, and then the GOP can spin it so the Democrats get blamed for the train wreck. It is certainly difficult to know how much of a mess he will make in his four to eight years. Dubya was an absolute disaster, of course, and Republicans are still in denial. So, I am not too optimistic that Trump will help them to see the light as to how bad the GOP really is. 

How did Dubya get re-elected in 2004? Dubya already had gotten us on the path to destruction by starting the war in Iraq. Rather than nominating a strong candidate to oppose him , they somehow managed to nominate a candidate who voted to give Bush a blank check to go to war, which certainly isn't what was intended in the Constitution. As if that wasn't bad enough they also nominated another Senator who voted for the Iraq War as VP and then Obama who was supposed to be against the Iraq War chose a Senator who voted for it as his VP and finally we got Clinton who also voted for the War. When are Democrats going to get on the proverbial "peace train"?
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Poll (November 2016) on: December 01, 2016, 12:23:47 pm
Jeff Merkley, of course.
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: You mark my words: if dems run away from 3rd way clintonionism, an abyss awaits on: December 01, 2016, 12:17:58 pm
"the popular vote"?
Really?
Since when does that matter?
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: You mark my words: if dems run away from 3rd way clintonionism, an abyss awaits on: December 01, 2016, 12:05:17 pm
Democrats might be wise to nominate someone who isn't such a hawk, but then again there is no reason to think any Democrat could beat Trump at this point in time. An abyss may await no matter whom is nominated. Who's to say that an abyss doesn't await us on January 20, 2017?

Is it perhaps possible that "the end of the world as we know it" will occur in a mere 50 days from now?
23  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is Trump's re-election inevitable? on: December 01, 2016, 11:58:13 am
You also have to realize that historically it is less than normal for an incumbant to be defeated.
I can't help wondering if Trump will be primaried, however.

Clinton "won" in 1992, but it was after twelve years of GOP control of the WH, not four.
Jimmy Carter lost, but Carter is a Democrat and Trump is not.
The only time the GOP has lost the WH after only four years is 1892.

Democrats should be careful to predict a win in 2020. Is overconfidence ever a good thing?
24  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is Trump's re-election inevitable? on: December 01, 2016, 11:25:26 am
If margin of error is added to undecideds the polls were fairly accurate as to the uncertainty of certain states.
25  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is Trump's re-election inevitable? on: December 01, 2016, 11:23:39 am
As I've stated before, the polls were not actually "wrong":

http://uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2016/polls.php

233-191-114 (Clinton ended up with 232 almost exactly as this aggregation of polls indicated she would) The tossups mostly went to Trump and WI was the only deviation.
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