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1  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: With all due respect, the 2016 board is becoming an echo chamber on: June 17, 2016, 12:55:04 pm
I'm not even talking about feelings towards trump. When any negative comment and/or thread about clinton is met with 90% opposition and ad-hominem attacks, it's no wonder why there has been an exodus of blue avatars.

Even the damn poll subforum is unreadable. Every state that shows clinton +3 means it's really +7 despite sanders voters knowing for around 2 weeks now that he is out.

Not even a month ago it was a lot more fair and balanced here. I'm not complaining, i'll just leave. I really don't want to subject myself to twenty hillofanight threads a day.

I agree.
2  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Do you agree with David Plouffe that CO and VA are swing states but PA is not? on: June 17, 2016, 08:29:33 am
You're right that there have been very few polls, so we really don't know, but I said seem to be leaning to Trump. Certainly polls this early can be a little off. They will go up and down a lot and even can be wrong as early as a week before the election. Of course, polls are never 100% accurate and there is always a margin for error, but they haven't been wrong about who will win since Dewey defeated Truman.
3  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Do you agree with David Plouffe that CO and VA are swing states but PA is not? on: June 17, 2016, 08:18:00 am
CO and IA seem to be leaning Trump according to polls, strangely enough

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ia/iowa_trump_vs_clinton-5597.html
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-iowa-president-trump-vs-clinton
Clinton +4 in Iowa

http://cookpolitical.com/presidential/charts/scorecard
http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/2016-president/

There have been few recent polls in Colorado, but no one seriously thinks this state is lean Trump based on old old polls. Crystal Ball and Cook Political have it as lean D.
electoral-vote.com is very pro Clinton and anti-Sanders:

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2016/Pres/Maps/Jun16.html#item-3
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Opinion of the Candidates - June 2016 on: June 17, 2016, 07:49:46 am
None of them are that popular based on the results at this point in time.
It looks like Nader is right "more voices more choices".

(edit when I wrote this Clinton and Johnson were up by one vote, obviously it's going up and down; both were at 42-41 at the time)
5  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Do you agree with David Plouffe that CO and VA are swing states but PA is not? on: June 17, 2016, 07:47:31 am
I voted yes, but PA is competitive in the sense than if Clinton doesn't compete here she would lose and no she's not that stupid. I do think she has a better chance of losing CO. VA and OH could be the tipping point states, and FL as well, those are obviously more important than states with fewer electoral votes. CO and IA seem to be leaning Trump according to polls, strangely enough. If Trump doesn't surpass her in national polls some time soon she has the electoral college advantage, obviously even is she were to lose the national vote. Wouldn't that be interesting? FL could be trending Dem and that could be really bad news for Trump.
6  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is a "Green" wave building? on: June 16, 2016, 01:05:54 pm
Yes, for sure.

Americans are expecting to elect a woman President this year,  but little do they realize that President's name will be Stein, not Clinton.

Smiley
Yes! Wink
7  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Your reaction on election night 2016 map on: June 16, 2016, 01:04:38 pm
For the first time in history since 1912, a third party, Gary Johnson won EC votes in certain states.

Um, didn't Robert La Follete, Strom Thurmond, and George Wallace get electoral votes?
The last time this happened was a so called "faithless elector" and the first time a woman got an electoral vote for VP. (it was 1972) (Libertarian's first time)
8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Your reaction on election night 2016 map on: June 16, 2016, 01:02:17 pm
If FL goes for Trump, will the Republican House chose Johnson or Trump?
Will the Senate controlled by Democrats chose the Democrat's VP?
Who will the Democrats VP be, a man or a woman?

Johnson (?) and "to be decided D"?

What happened to Stein, why didn't she win an electoral vote in ME or NE by winning one district and even if she did I think the Dems in the Senate would chose D over G.
9  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How does Johnson gain more than 20% of the vote in November? on: June 16, 2016, 12:51:28 pm
The closer the race between Clinton v Trump the less likely people will "risk" voting so called "third party". What people don't realize is the "safe state" reality. Also, in most states you can wait until the results start coming in and then cast your vote. If you live in Hawaii and the race appears headed one way or the other and since that state isn't likely to swing anyway, you can cast your vote at the last minute after an inevitable winner appears likely.

Look at Nader's best states:

http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/party.php?year=2000&type=national&no=3&f=1&off=0&elect=0

edit:

Better yet look at 1992:

http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/party.php?year=1992&type=national&no=3&f=1&off=0&elect=0

10  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is a "Green" wave building? on: June 16, 2016, 11:34:19 am
Your moral compass is severely off track if you think Johnson and Stein are good candidates.
I disagree, obviously.

Wink
11  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: latest Betfair odds on: June 16, 2016, 08:23:46 am
As it is there are 145 days to go.
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: latest Betfair odds on: June 16, 2016, 08:20:15 am
What about Stein & Johnson?

Gary Johnson to win the presidency is at 0.4.  Stein....they don't have a market for her.  Some of the other betting sites do, and they tend to have her in a similar range to Johnson.  A couple of tenths of a percent.

Good news! They can only go up. If Stein has one vote 33 days before the election and doubles it every day she'll get 8,589,934,592 votes!
13  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: latest Betfair odds on: June 16, 2016, 07:56:17 am
What about Stein & Johnson?
14  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is a "Green" wave building? on: June 16, 2016, 07:53:19 am
Not yet. Stein beat Johnson only in MI and DC. (in 2012)

Face it folks, if you want to vote for a good candidate, Stein or Johnson are your only choices.
If you want to vote for one of them, do, if not don't.

You don't "have" to vote for either of the so called "major" candidates, you can and may vote howsoever you so wish and why not vote how you want to vote, rather than how you supposedly have to vote. Basically why not if you live in DC or any of the 47 safe states. If it comes down to Mrs. Clinton or Mr. Trump and unfortunately it most likely will although it doesn't actually have to, then one or more of only 3 states will decide the election, ie FL, OH, or VA. Otherwise you can vote however you want and by the way actually you still can in FL, OH, or VA because voting for Stein or Johnson is better than staying home, is it not?
15  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Is a "Green" wave building? on: June 16, 2016, 07:48:18 am
comments?
16  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: What is your favorite board game? on: June 15, 2016, 12:42:36 pm
"Chess is a game of war but a peaceful war where no human lives are at stake. Susan Polgar is a mild mannered person and she always likes peaceful resolutions when conflicts arise."

http://www.susanpolgar.com/
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Opinion of the Candidates - June 2016 on: June 15, 2016, 10:41:39 am
I'd also like to see the Libertarians and Greens merge into one freedom party.
They'd get a lot more votes. They have a lot in common.
18  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Opinion of the Candidates - June 2016 on: June 15, 2016, 10:39:03 am
Although I'd like to know what Stein's postion on gun control is; I haven't heard.
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Opinion of the Candidates - June 2016 on: June 15, 2016, 10:38:24 am
HP: Trump
FF: Johnson & Stein
abstain on the others
20  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Your position on gun control on: June 15, 2016, 10:05:28 am
You people are all thinking emotionally. America is at a 40 year low in violent crime. States with higher rates of gun ownership have lower crime to boot, and gun deaths overall are dropping too. Vermont has some of the laxest gun control in the country and only has 0.2 gun deaths per 100,000, as opposed to Maryland, with 5.2 I think per 100,000, lower % ownership, and more regulations for good people, as criminals will get guns if they want one.

I understand the emotional knee-jerk reactions, but really all of these proposals are counterproductive and would cause more death because more people would be disarmed.
Fear is an emotion. Is fear rational? People buy guns because of fear. I don't see any logic in owning a gun when there are other ways to protect oneself. One certainly doesn't need to own an assault weapon. We got along without guns and nuclear weapons for oh, I don't know about 14 billion years. What I don't get is how people can be against guns and at the same time support war.
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump or Johnson? on: June 15, 2016, 09:55:58 am
If I didn't have a day job, I'd go all Sanchez on this and list everything preferable to Trump from Aarkscog-Scott syndrome to Zager and Evans.
OK, but this isn't it a hypothetical. Johnson and Stein are on the ballot in enough states to win. Not likely that either of them would, but they are an option that a lot of people, perhaps millions will chose, like it or not.
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Trump or Johnson? on: June 15, 2016, 09:44:22 am
Since most people obviously prefer Clinton to Stein (or do they?), I thought that it would be interesting to see how a match between these two candidates would go, here.

I would think Johnson would get about 60% here.

This isn't a hypothetical. I am not suggesting a hypothetical matchup, I am asking which candidate you prefer and would rather see win. Obviously most of you don't think Johnson will be our next president and I am not suggesting he will be, just asking which candidate is more appealing. Some of you will be voting for Trump, some for Johnson, others will not.
23  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Stop pretending you care. on: June 13, 2016, 03:40:30 pm
The OP is another reminder of why this forum desperately needs a 'like'/upvote button.

Anyway, how dare you politicize this tragedy???!?  We need to wait until at least a week has passed, out of respect for the dead, and only then can we discuss doing nothing.
That's up to the moderators, although there is always the "report to moderator" button.

What?
Were you being sarcastic when you said "how dare you politicize this tragedy"? If so I missed that.
24  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Stop pretending you care. on: June 13, 2016, 03:36:39 pm
The OP is another reminder of why this forum desperately needs a 'like'/upvote button.

Anyway, how dare you politicize this tragedy???!?  We need to wait until at least a week has passed, out of respect for the dead, and only then can we discuss doing nothing.
That's up to the moderators, although there is always the "report to moderator" button.
25  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Stop pretending you care. on: June 13, 2016, 03:32:06 pm
"Your prayers are pointless. I will be a sh**tty atheist on this one; prayer absolves you actually doing anything while still making you feel good. If it's all politicians have got then they have absolutely nothing to give. Itís especially insensitive given that many of the victims will have already had Ďprayerí thrown at them in their name for very different reasons. It didnít work then and it wonít work now."

I agree with this. If you want to pray for someone who's stopping you? What bothers me is when someone say "I'll pray for you" and that's all they are willing to do. Why do I have to know that. I had an experience where someone said "Can I pray with you?" The question made me uncomfortable, so I said "no", and saying that made me uncomfortable as well. Before praying asking someone if they can pray for you or say "I'll pray for you" you should listen to what that person wants, maybe they just want to be listened to "seek first to understand". But yes I agree with the above statement, and I don't see how prayers help, except as a way to make the person praying feel better. But actions speek louder than words.
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