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1  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Richard Dawkins on: April 19, 2014, 02:38:34 pm
I don't see the point of the whole atheist genre of books and rhetoric.  

I think there's no evidence of God or Gods.  I've never heard a strong argument in favor of God or even a weak one.  But, I think people are religious out of bunch of non-logical reasons.  It's cultural, social and it makes people feel spiritual about life and peaceful about death.  That's not going to be argued away with logic.  Plus, I feel like if you get down to it, many people just aren't interested in thinking about whether or not God exists.  They ultimately don't want to critically question something they hold dear like that.  So, I think the Dawkins rhetorical strategy is a flawed enterprise.

I think the better way to cut back at a religion is to slowly question the more silly aspects of a religion and the areas where it clashes with modern ethics and lifestyle.  

Well, one problem with religion which I have always found ironic is that it is so *divisive*; theists need to get their act together, stop fighting each other, worship the same god and leave atheists alone in the meantime. I see no useful purpose for theism, in so far as theism promotes ethical and honest living I will give credit where credit is due, but all to often theists fail to live up to their own principles.
2  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Richard Dawkins on: April 18, 2014, 09:19:00 pm
How many religions are based on math, logic, reason or science?
3  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Richard Dawkins on: April 18, 2014, 08:22:23 pm
In many ways we have not gotten beyond the controversy of the Scopes monkey trial.
4  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Richard Dawkins on: April 18, 2014, 08:20:38 pm
Of course many scientists avoid getting involved directly in religious controversy and some do believe in God, but since science has historically been attacked by religious people, I think that it entirely appropriate for scientists to be critical of religion. Religion should not have the special protection that it has.
5  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Richard Dawkins on: April 18, 2014, 08:17:11 pm
Well, in the video on youtube, "the god delusion" he focuses on the harm of extreme religion.
I just finished watching it. He also brings out the point that there is zero evidence for religion.
6  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Richard Dawkins on: April 18, 2014, 08:09:02 pm
The problem is that some religious people want to bring religion into the science class.
7  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Richard Dawkins on: April 18, 2014, 07:51:44 pm
I vote Good. He seems reasonable in many ways. Although he is very controversial, I don't find him arrogant or even abrasive.
8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How many women? on: April 11, 2014, 02:19:35 pm
If you are refering to the Green Party Stein, I was referring to Democrats and Republicans only, there could be a lot of third party female candidates. I wanted to keep it simple.
9  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / How many women? on: April 11, 2014, 02:05:36 pm
In 2016 of the Democrats and Republicans for President and VP, how many women?
My guess is one. But who knows?
10  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Fred Phelps Dying on: March 20, 2014, 01:32:18 pm
Also interesting that as conservative as the primitive baptists are, there are also primitive baptits universalists the opposite of the extreme Calvinism of the Westboro church.
11  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Fred Phelps Dying on: March 20, 2014, 01:28:50 pm
By the way, this probably won't be the end of the Westboro church.
His wife is very much involved in his 'cause', as are others; I don't follow
it that much other than what I have occasionally seen it on the news, so I don't know
how long his church will last.
12  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Fred Phelps Dying on: March 20, 2014, 11:45:05 am
Why do people care about this guy?

Since we live in a capitalist society, unpleasantness sells.
It is more about the human fascination with unpleasantness
and making money by exploiting that, than about a
man who once existed named Fred Phelps.
13  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Today is my birthday. on: November 22, 2013, 01:37:34 pm
I assume you're joking.
14  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Today is my birthday. on: November 22, 2013, 08:35:33 am
It's not really about me. I was 8 on 11/22/1963. Most of you had not yet been born.
My birthday was cancelled that year.
15  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: RUAUU on: October 15, 2013, 01:22:03 pm
Very negative, I like my religions to be, you know, religions instead of New Age liberal cults.

"liberal" is certainly an accurate description

My problem with Unitarianism (in so far as I have a problem with any of this, I don't have a strong emotional reaction to this stuff) is much the same as my problem with, say, any form of "liberal Christianity' in that I don't see the value in a supposed religion with values that happen to align perfectly with the modern Democratic Party's platform.
Yes it is way too political for me. I think a religion should be a religion and not just a political philosophy.
Religion and politics don't mix any more than oil and water.
This has always bothered me, but I haven't until recently found alternatives
16  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: RUAUU on: October 15, 2013, 01:06:26 pm
Very negative, I like my religions to be, you know, religions instead of New Age liberal cults.

"liberal" is certainly an accurate description
17  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / RUAUU on: October 15, 2013, 12:37:18 pm
Although I have been UU now for 21 years, my opinion of it is mixed because I find it to be way to political.

2 votes allowed per voter.

Mostly I am interested in hearing why you vote the way you vote.
18  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Vote for peace on: October 07, 2013, 12:53:22 pm
Vote for peace, vote yes.

There are two kinds of peace.
Peace within.
Absence of war.

Killing people makes no sense, so I am voting yes.

DISCUSS!
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Who's right, Democrats or Republicans? on: October 07, 2013, 12:50:34 pm
They're both wrong.
The only right answer.

Nobody has to vote for either.
20  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Top Ten Religious Topics on: September 24, 2013, 08:05:46 am
Obviously, you can post your own list of top ten (or another number instead of 10).
21  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Top Ten Religious Topics on: September 24, 2013, 08:03:33 am
The last option is if you don't want to vote for any of the other options.
Therefore this poll  allows for 12 out of 13 votes.

I will come back later to explain further, respond to comments directed at me, or answer any questions.

Shalom
22  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: What's your problem? on: July 30, 2013, 01:24:48 pm
Thinking about it, my two fundamental problems are:
- My inability to get from others as much as I would like to get, in terms of esteem, affection, understanding, friendship, and obviously love.
- My inability to live up to the moral standards I set to myself.

I can foresee how religion could help me with these problems, but it could only work if I had faith, and I happen not to. Money, on the other hand, doesn't help AT ALL.
For me, understanding is a key goal. For how can you love someone or help someone unless you first strive to understand that person?
23  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: What's your problem? on: July 25, 2013, 02:23:31 pm
Money can sure be helpful, but it falls short.  Can money give me a sense of purpose in my life?  Can it give me emotionally satisfying relationships?  Can it soothe my recurring sense of guilt?  Can it help me face my mortality?

Indirectly, yes, books, therapy and free time are all things that money can buy. If you have enough money you don't have to work five days a week and you will have more time to do what you really want, unless you get lazy, or perhaps laziness has an appeal in itself.
Money, however, can not give you eternal life, although it might prolong the mortal life you have.
24  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: The existentialist on: July 25, 2013, 02:20:48 pm
Some issues in philosophy seem to have more practical value, than others.
Take politica philosophy, for example, since it has obvious results in how
a nation sets itself up and how a citizen votes.

Existentialism seems to be more about direct experience than about metaphysics, making it more practical and more about results. Finding meaning in life for the existentialist seems more about making sense of his/her own life rather than some ancient philosophy which may be more concerned about god(s) or some other abstract or esoteric thing.
25  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / What's your problem? on: July 18, 2013, 09:21:22 am
You don't have any problems? Great. You can help me with mine.

But, come on, let's be honest everyone (or almost) has problems.

So what is your solution?

I think a lot of people turn to religion for help.
When they don't get any, they become angry atheists.
(not that there's anything wrong with being angry or atheist)
The best solution to any problem is one word: MONEY. Yet, some religions tell you that thinking money can make you happy is Evil. I totally disagree.
Money is the easiest solution, but not the only, therefore poverty can be a useful thing, but only in so far as it makes you more powerful in finding other solutions to difficult problems.

Please, discuss....
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