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1  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Will Deism ever make a major comeback (in the US)? on: May 21, 2015, 01:16:01 pm
A Deist believes in God. An atheist does not. That sounds like a big difference, but practically speaking what is the difference? Perhaps someone could use the term Deist to indicate that there is a supernatural meaning to life beyond materialism. Perhaps a Deist could even believe in a life after the "spirit" leaves the body (commonly known as "death" but if there is an afterlife then death isn't literally death).

Since we are moving away from traditional "conservative" theism in this world, Deism may be an appealing alternative to some people, so my answer to the question is "I don't know".
2  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Justified and Unjustified Wars on: May 19, 2015, 10:09:20 am
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."  -Eisenhower

"I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its futility, its stupidity."  -Eisenhower

No war is 100% justified.  Even the Civil War, which all of you say is, isn't.  I hate war, it is bloody stalemate at best.
Albert Einstein agreed with you.
3  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Thus Spoke Zarathustra on: May 07, 2015, 02:15:34 pm
I wonder how many religions there are where you have to born into the religion.
Although it is possible to convert to Judaism or Sikhism these also tend to be ethnic.
Most Sikhs are in India and many are of Indian descent. It is similar with Judaism.
4  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Thus Spoke Zarathustra on: May 07, 2015, 12:41:35 pm
The way it doesn't accept converts is both: 1-pretty dumb and 2-self-defeating and can result in only a decline, which is exactly why it has dwindled so far today. So HR.

True, but how would that stop someone from believing in the teachings without "joining" the sect itself? Belief is more something in one's own head, than belonging to a certain organization.
5  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Thus Spoke Zarathustra on: May 07, 2015, 09:33:40 am
Nietzsche wrote a book entitled
"Thus Spoke Zarathustra"

As you may know Zarathustra is the
Persian name for Zoroaster.

Augustine was a Manichean for many
years. Manicheanism, is based, in part
on Zoroastrianism which is about good
and evil and therefore I vote freedom
religion because a knowlede of good
and evil is important.
6  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Solipsism on: May 07, 2015, 08:22:46 am
The idea that others exist
seems to relate to the concept of
"I/thou": we experience the existence
of others through close relationship
to others. Can we even be certain of
our own existence? Can we be certain
of anything?
My answer is "no". to the poll question
We can believe in the existence of
others, but can we be certain?
7  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: How could anyone believe in evolution? on: May 07, 2015, 08:14:28 am
The phrase "in God we trust" is a curious statement.
Which God? Mars? Allah? Jehovah? Waheguru? Ahura Mazda?
8  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: How could anyone believe in evolution? on: May 07, 2015, 08:09:13 am
At what age can a person begin to think for themselves?
Can a small child understand all of this?
At some age, it is ok to teach about religion.
Teach science, teach about Christianity, teach about Buddhism,
Islam and other religions, but a person needs to decide for
themselves what makes sense and what does not.
There are common ideas in Christianity and Buddhism for
example, although the two systems are not in complete agreement.
The same is true for Islam and Christianity.
Trying to put another person's mind in your own "box" leads to insanity.
Also, what good is "blind" faith in anything whether it be science, or religion? Insofar as science or religion does not teach us to accept something blindly, they can teach us well. Philosophy, from my exerience is a good thing. The word means love of wisdom.
9  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: What's the diference between an agnostic and skeptic? on: May 07, 2015, 08:02:18 am
The simple answer is that it depends on how you define those two words.
My belief is simply that we can't know anything beyond what we experience
by our senses. Hence, in Christian terminology, you could say that I am
a "doubting Thomas". That description fits me well, because my name is
"Thomas". Many people are uncomfortable with uncertainty and feel
that the word "doubt" is a bad thing. Which is more important?
A belief in a deity or a belief in eternal life? Eternal life is literally impossible in the sense that nobody can actually live an infinite amount of time. We can speculate that our "self" will never
die in the sense of nonexistence, but even if that is true, we can only at
any given point in time, live a finite amount of time, unless as is
hypothesized by some that our existence extends backward towards an
infinite amount of time. A somewhat bizarre sounding idea, and, even if true,
would also be logically impossible to comprehend, at least by a finite mind, since it would mean that our existence had no actual beginning.
10  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Opinion of Buddhist Modernism on: May 05, 2015, 07:39:29 pm
a more common description of Buddhism is nontheistic; the word implies something broader than atheism.
11  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Opinion of Buddhist Modernism on: May 05, 2015, 07:40:53 am
How does secular or atheistic Buddhism relate to Buddhist Modernism?

The level of intolerance towards atheism in the US is appalling, but that is a little
off topic. The point is that Buddhism is primarily an atheistic religion. Anything else
is an add on, which probably would not have been approved of by Buddha himself.

As for the poll, I am undecided at this point in time.
12  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Women ministers and religion on: April 25, 2015, 10:52:27 am
Considering that there's prophetesses in both the Old and New Testament (at least according to the King James version), I'd say that women should be allowed to be ordained as ministers.

In fact, my church is struggling to address the issue of women's ordination, and what's even more interesting is that in the early days of my church, you had records of women giving blessings (which is specifically a priesthood duty/power, and therefore is only considered something men do at the present time).

It has nothing to do with the "can women be president" point you're trying to make, but whatever.
Interesting. The Swedenborgian denomination that I was raised in, but long since left, is struggling with the issue as well. The pro women's ordination movement is strong, but the all male clergy have the power and a large majority oppose the idea and therefore it is stalled. It will be interesting to see what develops.
13  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Roe v Wade on: April 25, 2015, 10:48:34 am
Should Roe v Wade be such a definitive issue in next year's presidential election?
It seems unfortunate that control of the Supreme Court has become such a critical
issue in presidential elections. People on both sides of the issue obviously have strong
feelings on the topic, but it seems to be an issue that won't go away and distracts us
from more important ones, like war and peace, campaign finance reform, and the
economy. Does anybody else feel the way I do?
14  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Should a woman be president? on: April 25, 2015, 10:43:08 am
There is no reason a woman shouldn't be president. I am glad to live in a time where that is a prevailing thinking. I don't believe someone should be elected just for the sake of being a woman, and their credentials should still be taken into account. In Hillary's case she is more than qualified, arguably more qualified than any of the other candidates.

It is my belief that I will see multiple female presidents in my lifetime. Starting in 2017.
Yes, she is qualified and she may have an easy time getting the nomination unless some candidate yet unknown comes forward an decides to run. However, she blew it in 2008. Was she not more qualified (as far as experience goes) than Obama? What was it about Obama that appealed to voters? The issues? Obama's personality? Something else?
15  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Should a woman be president? on: April 25, 2015, 10:28:48 am
Women are in general poor leaders because they are irrational and ruled by hormones (normal).
Men are in general poor leaders because they tend to be too aggressive, hence we have war.

Both bad examples.
Yes, I was making a comparison. If you are going to argue that men and women are that different, you could make a counter argument based on the aggressiveness of males. Not a logical argument so much, but making the point that  if saying women are unqualified for certain reasons, why not make the same point about men? Pointing out the lack of logic of one argument by suggesting an equally illogical one.

Uh, of course men and women are different. That doesn't actually mean that women are worse leaders than men of course unless you're some kind of deranged misogynist (Merkel is the best leader in Europe and was a woman last I checked!) but the idea that because Hillary Clinton might be President we should consider allowing, say, women Catholic priests is logic I don't even remotely follow.
ok, thanks for clarifying that
16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Should a woman be president? on: April 25, 2015, 10:25:55 am
Perhaps, but they're not essential to it. Whereas in a Christian case it... kind of is.
That depends on what kind of Christian you are, doesn't it?

(literally one, not you, I wasn't speaking of 'you' in particular)

I imagine most Christians follow the Bible.
I started a separate thread in the religion section, if anyone is interested, that way this thread won't go off topic.
17  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Women ministers and religion on: April 25, 2015, 10:24:04 am
This thread is the result of another thread where I asked if a woman should be president.

The specific question is about women ministers and what the Bible has to say on the topic.
There are two issues with regard to the Bible. Is it inerrant and when should it be taken literally?
I am not a Christian, so my bias should be rather obvious.

The point is that if according to the Bible it is no ok for a woman to be a minister, is it not, logically speaking also wrong for a women to be president?
18  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Should a woman be president? on: April 25, 2015, 10:18:30 am
Perhaps, but they're not essential to it. Whereas in a Christian case it... kind of is.
That depends on what kind of Christian you are, doesn't it?

(literally one, not you, I wasn't speaking of 'you' in particular)

I imagine most Christians follow the Bible.
OK, well you are right that we are getting off topic now, so maybe I shouldn't debate you on that point. At least not in this thread.
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Should a woman be president? on: April 25, 2015, 10:11:14 am
Perhaps, but they're not essential to it. Whereas in a Chrstian case it... kind of is.
That depends on what kind of Christian you are, doesn't it?

(literally one, not you, I wasn't speaking of 'you' in particular)
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Should a woman be president? on: April 25, 2015, 10:10:12 am
Women are in general poor leaders because they are irrational and ruled by hormones (normal).
Men are in general poor leaders because they tend to be too aggressive, hence we have war.

Both bad examples.
Yes, I was making a comparison. If you are going to argue that men and women are that different, you could make a counter argument based on the aggressiveness of males. Not a logical argument so much, but making the point that  if saying women are unqualified for certain reasons, why not make the same point about men? Pointing out the lack of logic of one argument by suggesting an equally illogical one.
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Should a woman be president? on: April 25, 2015, 10:06:36 am
There are these funny things called "religion" and "the Bible" that might get in the way of that...
By the way, could those things have anything to do with why we haven't had a woman president in over 200 years of US history?
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Should a woman be president? on: April 25, 2015, 10:04:48 am
There are these funny things called "religion" and "the Bible" that might get in the way of that...
Yes indeed.
23  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Should a woman be president? on: April 25, 2015, 10:03:55 am
Women are in general poor leaders because they are irrational and ruled by hormones (normal).
Men are in general poor leaders because they tend to be too aggressive, hence we have war.
24  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Should a woman be president? on: April 25, 2015, 10:02:17 am
Don't forget many people are ok with the idea that women shouldn't be ministers. Patriarchy is still alive and well in the United States. If a woman is president, this will not change in a big way.

Well that's a completely different matter that has nothing to do with anything being discussed here!
Why not? If a woman can be a leader, why can't she be a minister? What is the logic in saying that a woman can't be a minister. The point of this thread is whether gender is an issue in politics. I realize that the question of a woman president and a woman being a minister is like comparing apples to oranges, but still, I would like to know why it is not a valid question to ask why a woman is disqualified from being a minister. There have been women ministers for a long time.
25  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Should a woman be president? on: April 25, 2015, 09:54:27 am
Don't forget many people are ok with the idea that women shouldn't be ministers. Patriarchy is still alive and well in the United States. If a woman is president, this will not change in a big way.
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