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1  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Winter blues on: March 27, 2015, 12:12:42 pm
No, I'm sorry. I don't like this poem at all. Sorry.
poem?
2  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Can someone have faith in a personal god and still lead a scientific life? on: March 27, 2015, 12:11:03 pm
I don't get "faith". What is a good reason to believe in god or goddess in the first place?
Do you want to live forever? Would you live forever in this life, if you could?
People can believe what they want, but why isn't this simply an example of
the "wishful thinking" fallacy.
What not simply believe what is true, no matter how much you don't want to?
I am not a mind reader, so I can't say why people believe as they do, but
I don't see why I should believe something without evidence.
The disciple Thomas wouldn't believe in anything that he couldn't see with
the eyes of his body, according to the tradition.
He had his own gospel, but it was considered to heretical to be in the Bible.
If we can do good on our own, and if we have a free will we certainly can,
although the concept of free will is also open to debate, then why the need for a supreme being  to help us?
To answer the question is yes you can believe in god and science, and it would certainly be a dangerous thing not to believe in the latter, because it could
get you killed.
3  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Winter blues on: March 27, 2015, 12:01:00 pm
First, I like good weather, because it cheers me up,
sometimes, but not always. I think it is normal
to get tired of cold weather, so it seems idiotic
to call dislike of winter a "disorder".
Do I have a "disorder" because I don't like pumpkin pie.
Pumpkin pie makes you fat, so I hardly think it a disorder.
Anyone who has a problem because I don't like winter
is free to pay my heating bill, if they so choose.
4  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Which political topic is the most polarizing? on: March 23, 2015, 03:53:09 pm
Nothing need be polarizing unless
you make it so.  etc etc

Your decision to post in strangely confined lines as though writing a poem without rhyme or reason is something I myself find upsetting, and am starting to get emotional over. Perhaps it is that, then, which is polarizing.
fixed
5  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Which political topic is the most polarizing? on: March 23, 2015, 02:01:25 pm
It is worth noting that three of the options mentioned have a religious dimension to them.
It is worth noting because religion is often a divisive force which needs to be acknowledged.
The divisive nature of religion makes religion counterproductive.
6  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Which political topic is the most polarizing? on: March 23, 2015, 01:58:02 pm
For what it's worth, I didn't mean polarizing in the sense of Democrat vs Republican just in the sense of which issues are the most heated and in my experience nothing is more volatile then I-P debates. Even with abortion most people can at least agree that on one hand it's not cool to abort a fetus several days before it's born and on the other that masturbation isn't abortion.

You obviously have not debated abortion enough...

Believe me, it gets rough.
That is true. It is true because you hear about the two sides as if there was no common ground. There are those who look for common ground, but their voices are drowned out by those yelling on both "sides" unwilling to see the other side and unwilling to see it as anything but a bipolar dichotomy with no middle ground possible.
7  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Which political topic is the most polarizing? on: March 23, 2015, 01:45:10 pm
Nothing need be polarizing unless you make it so. I am turned off
by fighting, because it adds emotion to things that need not be emotional.
If discussions about politics were just that (discussions rather
than fights), they would be more attractive. Debate and argument is
one thing if emotion is kept to a minimum and even a heated fight
can shed a little light on an issue if there is some attempt to be
reasonable.
Abortion is almost always a difficult issue because people often don't show
respect for differing views, so I could chose that, but I chose other, because
it is not the issue, per se, but the tendency to get emotional over anything
that is the problem.
We could discuss the option of a quasi form of Kolinahr which, rather than
purging all emotions, could purge those that are counterproductive to
a more peaceful world. Keeping an open mind doesn't mean falling
for anything, but a willingness to mental grow derived from a willingness to listen
objectively.
8  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: 8 days a week? on: March 13, 2015, 09:44:37 am
Also change election day to a Friday or Saturday or both. Tuesday makes no sense.
9  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: 8 days a week? on: March 13, 2015, 09:43:56 am
I am thinking about an even more important change, where we could have up
to five more personal holidays.
Five out of Six don't make sense.
NY's day makes sense, but the year shouldn't start until after the last day of February.
For example the year could start on May 1.
The reason we have few complaints about the crazy holiday schedule is
because why complain about extra days off?
The point is that the other five holidays could be replaced with "mandatory" (you would
be given them by law)  days off
whenever one wanted to take them.
The other USA five legal holidays are Memorial Day, 4th of July,
Labor Day, Thanksgiving and Christmas all of which could be moved to Saturdays or Sundays.
Since we would have five personal holidays, anyone could take the Friday of the holiday weekend off.

Memorial Day and Labor Day make no sense as they are.
Independence Day doesn't have to be on the fourth (note: President's Day and MLK Day were changed to the same day each week, why not make all five holidays on Saturdays for those of us who work
M-F?)
Thanksgiving could be in September or (like in
Canada) in October and Christmas could be in
November (Jesus was not born in the winter and
who feels like celebrating anything in the winter?)
10  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: 8 days a week? on: March 13, 2015, 08:33:41 am
Add a 3rd weekend day named Funday.  

Sounds good to me. I created an excel file when the 8th day would be. We can still observe it if we want on a personal level. Every 8th day starting March 11 is 'funday'. So the next funday is March 19. etc. It may not catch on, but it's worth a try.

I think a better way to do this would to put "Funday" after Friday... and then Saturday can still be Saturday and then Sunday can still be used for the only things Sunday is good for.  Football and recovering from the weekend.  


That is exactly what I was thinking.
But on the 7 day calendar it is going to be
on the 8th day which means unless the calendar is changed for real it will be on Thursday next week and Friday the following week and then Saturday etc. The reason I started my hypothetical calendar on the 8th day on March 11, is because
that is the day I created my hypothetical calendar. If this calendar were ever to become a reality the eighth day would be between Friday
and Saturday. Actually it would be the 7th day and Saturday the eighth if Sunday were the first day.
11  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: 8 days a week? on: March 13, 2015, 08:19:35 am
Add a 3rd weekend day named Funday. 

Sounds good to me. I created an excel file when the 8th day would be. We can still observe it if we want on a personal level. Every 8th day starting March 11 is 'funday'. So the next funday is March 19. etc. It may not catch on, but it's worth a try.
12  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: 8 days a week? on: March 12, 2015, 09:20:43 am
I prefer an eight day week. It could be a way of working five days and being off three,
which would appeal to me. The problem with an 8 day week is that one would have
to work more than eight hours a day in order to get three days off in order to earn
as much as one currently earns in a seven day week.
One way to achieve this is to take one vacation day a week, but since there would
be 45 1/2 weeks in a year (45 1/2 * 8 = 364),  most people would be unable
to take an extra day every week since most people don't have 45 vacation days a year.

I still think that it is something to consider. Another option, a ten day week is something
to explore.
13  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: How many women are... on: March 12, 2015, 09:14:47 am
ordained..
in "Christian" denominations
in the US
and in the world.

I was also wondering what percent of people in the US and/or in the world belong to
Christian denominations that have recognized women priests/ministers.
If a denomination has any that would count even if some congregations within the denomination disagree with the practice.
Does anybody know? I would guess that it is less than 50% but I have no idea.
My personal definition of "Christian" is any denomination that calls itself "Christian".
For example Quaker denominations would be Christian. UUs as a denomination would not be.
Not all Quakers assert they are Christian. From the Friends General Conference website:
Are Quakers Christian?
The Quaker way has deep Christian roots that form our understanding of God, our faith, and our practices. Many Quakers consider themselves Christian, and some do not. Many Quakers today draw spiritual nourishment from our Christian roots and strive to follow the example of Jesus. Many other Quakers draw spiritual sustenance from various religious traditions, such as Buddhism, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, and the nature religions.
Were it not for their distinctive style of service, there would be little to differentiate these Quakers from UUs.  There are some Quaker groups that do remain explicitly Christian, just as there are some Universalist churches that are explicitly Christian.

As far as I'm concerned Quakers and UUs could merge into one denomination. I tend to think of
Quakers as Christians, but I don't
know how many Quakers consider
themselves Christian. I do know that there are
Christian Quakers and Universalist Quakers and
I also know there are Atheist Quakers.
The more conservative Quaker denomination has
ordained ministers, but I don't know if that
includes women. The term "Universalist" may mean universalist in the sense of being inclusive towards many religions rather than
believing in universal salvation, but I don't know if any Quakers believe in eternal damnation.
14  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: 8 days a week? on: March 11, 2015, 09:55:13 am
let the states decide

That makes sense.
15  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / How many women are... on: March 11, 2015, 09:53:24 am
ordained..
in "Christian" denominations
in the US
and in the world.

I was also wondering what percent of people in the US and/or in the world belong to
Christian denominations that have recognized women priests/ministers.
If a denomination has any that would count even if some congregations within the denomination disagree with the practice.
Does anybody know? I would guess that it is less than 50% but I have no idea.
My personal definition of "Christian" is any denomination that calls itself "Christian".
For example Quaker denominations would be Christian. UUs as a denomination would not be.
16  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / 8 days a week? on: March 11, 2015, 09:43:15 am
This is an eight day poll.
Well, you have 27 choices and I hope that's enough.
That's more than the number of letters in the alphabet.
You only get one choice, but you can change your vote as often as you like.
The reason for this poll is that I am wondering how many of you are
ok with the status quo. I don't see why we need to stick with the status quo.
You can comment, of course, on how you voted and why and complain about the options etc.
but you already knew that.
17  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Daylight Savings on: March 09, 2015, 12:31:43 pm
Simple solution: set the clock 1/2 hour ahead at DST. Then leave it that way forever.
18  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Sexual freedom of speech on: March 05, 2015, 01:38:17 pm
How do you feel about seeing two persons of the same gender kissing?
19  Forum Community / Forum Community / Sexual freedom of speech on: March 05, 2015, 01:27:05 pm
A fifty day poll.
20  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: RIP Leonard Nimoy on: February 27, 2015, 02:45:18 pm
RIP
21  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Libertarians and abortion on: February 19, 2015, 11:50:39 am
Why not be both?
22  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: for Christians: when does the individual 'Fall into sin'? on: February 19, 2015, 11:45:08 am

the commandment is not to murder. Murder and kill are not synonyms.

There is no difference between the two. Either way the victim is dead. Both
involve intentional killing. Both are really the same. There is a difference
between unintentional killing and intentional killing. War involves intentional
killing. The genocide of millions of Jews by the Nazis was "legal". So if you're
going to split hairs between "legal" and "illegal" killing, that is the same
as saying that the killing of millions of Jews was not a sin because based
on the law it couldn't really be called murder.

Um...No. By your standards then deaths caused in earthquakes and hurricains are murders.


How can they be classified as "intentional"?

If either way the victim is dead, then those deaths are murders, because there's no difference between kill and murder. At least that's how I read your post.

Even leaving aside nature, if someone dies in a car crash, is the other driver a murderer?

As for war, wars are killing, not murder, unless the victim is on the same side as the perpetrator.

I said "intentional" killing. The point is that "Just War" is an oxymoron.
If it wrong to kill people, there are no exceptions. As for car accidents. The point is that they are accidents, which means that they are not intentional. I do not call myself a "Christian", but I would point out that Jesus never killed anyone. He was a pacifist, which is a good thing.
23  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: for Christians: when does the individual 'Fall into sin'? on: February 18, 2015, 02:53:58 pm
the commandment is not to murder. Murder and kill are not synonyms.

There is no difference between the two. Either way the victim is dead. Both
involve intentional killing. Both are really the same. There is a difference
between unintentional killing and intentional killing. War involves intentional
killing. The genocide of millions of Jews by the Nazis was "legal". So if you're
going to split hairs between "legal" and "illegal" killing, that is the same
as saying that the killing of millions of Jews was not a sin because based
on the law it couldn't really be called murder.

Um...No. By your standards then deaths caused in earthquakes and hurricains are murders.


How can they be classified as "intentional"?
24  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary Landslide in 2016 on: February 18, 2015, 01:53:03 pm
Of course it begs the question, if Hillary was so great, why did she lose to Obama in the first place?

This.
This vote alone should disqualify her from ever again being elected to any office.
25  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Hillary Clinton on: February 17, 2015, 11:33:32 am
I am trying to get a better idea of why people support or oppose her.
My choice: oppose too hawkish
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