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1  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who will win the general election? on: May 04, 2016, 10:48:03 pm
It will either be Sanders or someone else. Like Shrodinger's cat. Sanders literally has a zero chance of winning and literally a small chance of winning. Therefore I predict that Sanders will win even though he has zero chance of winning. In other words, who really knows. Therefore I doubled chances for a Sanders win. He had one vote, now he has two.
2  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who will win the general election? on: May 04, 2016, 10:43:40 pm
Bold prediction. It will be a man or a woman.
3  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Can Sanders win 466 electoral votes? on: May 04, 2016, 10:36:08 pm
Why only 535? I doubt that DC will go to Trump.
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Opinion of the superdelegate still pledged to Martin O'Malley on: May 04, 2016, 10:34:46 pm
Yes, I am sure he will be the one swing vote that will swing the nomination to Sanders in a brokered convention. FF
5  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Can Sanders win 466 electoral votes? on: May 04, 2016, 10:31:17 pm
Vermont is a weird state. It had the longest record of not voting Democratic until 1964. Now it is the most Democratic state. Where have all those liberal Republicans gone? The answer my friend is blowing in the wind.
6  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Can Sanders win 466 electoral votes? on: May 04, 2016, 10:27:33 pm
Sanders will win a grand total of 0 electoral votes in November.

There could be a faithless elector or two.
Kinda like faithless super delegates, I guess.
7  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Can Sanders win 466 electoral votes? on: May 04, 2016, 10:26:26 pm
Of course since (according to Clinton supporters here she is more electable) Clinton will win Arkansas she'll get 478.
8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Can Sanders win 466 electoral votes? on: May 04, 2016, 10:22:21 pm
No Utah? Junk prediction!
LOL. 472 if he wins Utah.
9  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Can Sanders win 466 electoral votes? on: May 04, 2016, 10:21:26 pm
Sanders will win a grand total of 0 electoral votes in November.
If Clinton wins the nomination.
10  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Can Sanders win 466 electoral votes? on: May 04, 2016, 10:18:05 pm
No, not if he doesn't first beat Clinton.

http://sourceplanet.net/politics/trump-vs-sanders-sanders-wins-in-every-poll/

11  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Post your TRUMP victory maps on: May 04, 2016, 04:15:38 pm
Best case scenario against Clinton (extremely unlikely at this point in time)

(Sanders, of course, would be unbeatable, as you all know).
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Did anyone notice that Sanders beat Clinton in Indiana? on: May 04, 2016, 04:10:49 pm
Trump doesn't have enough delegates, but how would he lose if he has no opponents?

There's still dropped out candidates on the ballot. Their chances of denying Trump enough delegates are the same as Sanders denying Clinton enough delegates. 0 = 0
OK, like I've been saying if Sanders has a zero chance, Clinton supporters can stay home and not vote. I guess they missed the memo.
13  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Did anyone notice that Sanders beat Clinton in Indiana? on: May 04, 2016, 03:58:54 pm
Trump doesn't have enough delegates, but how would he lose if he has no opponents?
14  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Which candidate benefits from Trump's victory? on: May 04, 2016, 11:02:30 am
It may be too late at this point to matter, but I am wondering if more people will consider voting in the remaining Democratic primaries now that Trump is the inevitable GOP nominee.
If so will it help either of the remaining two candidates?

(six day poll)
15  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary begins the general far more popular than Trump on: May 04, 2016, 10:53:33 am
Perhaps Joe McCarthy was more popular than Atilla the Hun as well, if you get my drift.
16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will Florida be the most important battleground state this year? on: May 04, 2016, 09:57:41 am
Trump can put PA into play.
Yes, you are right a FOX poll shows the race a tie and we all know how unbiased and fair fox news is, always giving both sides an equal voice. Yes, I am quite sure that all Democrats here think that fox news is totally disinterested and totally balanced never favoring Trump or the GOP. You can't get any more fair than Shawn Hannity, correct? He just loves Democrats and never says anything about them that isn't impartial, correct?
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will Florida be the most important battleground state this year? on: May 04, 2016, 09:45:03 am
(a close race as I see it, not 100% certain but plausible, and Clinton could conceivably do even better)
Trump needs four out of five key battlegrounds. He would need FL, OH, and VA,
and would lose without getting all three and would lose if he only got those three.
He would need CO or IA as well.
Clinton's firewall is 257, (as per map below), so a Trump victory, although highly unlikely,
is possible.


 
18  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Could a Trump nomination cause an exodus of moderate Republicans? on: May 03, 2016, 10:55:05 am
Susan Collins isn't a moderate, she's just what passes for one these days.

You're right- she isn't a moderate.  She is just a liberal.  Less liberal than Democrats, but still a liberal.  Being pro-abortion automatically puts one into the liberal camp, as the position is so ridiculous and extreme that it can't even fit into a moderate viewpoint.
What if a Democrat is anti-abortion? Does that make him/her a conservative?
What if a Democrat voted for the Iraq War? Does that make her/him a conservative?
If so, Clinton is a conservative by analogous logic. Being "pro-war" is worse than being "pro-abortion".

No, being pro-life is the centrist/sane position.  Being pro-abortion is a completely irrational, extremist position.  Usually, I can at least understand the liberal position, but this issue is an exception, where I can't even understand their side, as it is painfully obvious that an unborn baby is alive.  Note that even liberal Hollywood subconsciously knows this- on The Big Bang Theory, they had characters say "we made a person" when looking at their unborn baby.
So, an unborn is a human being, but once someone is born they're not?
Even if life only matter before one is born, do you really think that no unborns are killed in war.
What if a pregnant woman is sentenced to death for murder? Does her unborn deserve to die
as well or should only men get the death penalty. I don't see the logic in saying that someone
is "pro-life" if it is not consistent. If you are going to use the term "pro-abortion" you might want
to consider using the term "anti-abortion" as well.
"Pro-choice" and "Pro-life" are misleading terms. How many people are "pro-choice" on all issues
and not just abortion and same goes for "Pro-life".
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Could a Trump nomination cause an exodus of moderate Republicans? on: May 03, 2016, 10:37:20 am
Susan Collins isn't a moderate, she's just what passes for one these days.

You're right- she isn't a moderate.  She is just a liberal.  Less liberal than Democrats, but still a liberal.  Being pro-abortion automatically puts one into the liberal camp, as the position is so ridiculous and extreme that it can't even fit into a moderate viewpoint.
What if a Democrat is anti-abortion? Does that make him/her a conservative?
What if a Democrat voted for the Iraq War? Does that make her/him a conservative?
If so, Clinton is a conservative by analogous logic. Being "pro-war" is worse than being "pro-abortion". I wouldn't call war moderate by any stretch of the imagination. I can't think of anything more ridiculous than being pro war, since there other ways to resolve conflict, if it can be resolved in the first place, which it can't as long as people remain so insane, stupid and crazy which all amount to the same thing.
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Opinion of Bernie supporters who unironically intend to vote for TRUMP in the GE on: May 03, 2016, 07:59:41 am
Terrible people who I am blessed to have voting for the best candidate just like all the other terrible people in our coalition for the greater good.
Oh the irony.

The thread topic is not much of an issue for me. There is a paradox about the idea of a Sanders supporter voting for Trump. I can't see myself voting for Trump under any circumstances. Obviously there would be no logic for me to do so. I could make the devil's advocate argument that Clinton could be worse, but I don't think that is true, nor would I vote for Trump even if I saw him as "the lesser of two evils" which is unlikely to be the case in any event. Voting for Clinton as "the lesser of two evils", although wrong on principle, makes a certain sense, if only in an ironic way, and only in a state which is not safe and if it turns out to be an easy victory for her all states will be safe and some people can stay home or vote nota, or third party (or independent or write in) with no fear.

I am not saying that Clinton
is "the lesser of two evils" because that isn't clear yet.
 
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton: I'm very experienced with men who go 'off the reservation' on: April 29, 2016, 05:58:36 pm
I find it funny when white teenage males on the internet think they know how sexism will resonate with middle aged women.

You do realize that this demographic will most likely vote for Hillary in a general election. Insulting them and calling them racist, sexist and all the above does harm to her campaign. Also no not all Sanders supporters are white Roll Eyes

Uh...nowhere in my post did I mention Sanders or his supporters. It was jfern (ofc) that randomly brought him up out of nowhere.
Clinton is the one who has been playing "the gender card".

I think you completely missed my point. Young white men on the internet do not have a clue how the idea of sexism will resonate with middle aged or older women. This goes for all young white men, whether they support Bernie, Trump, or even Hillary.

These things work both ways.  How do you think men are going to react to Clinton's constant claims of sexism in everything and anything?  Is it possible it will turn them off to voting for her?  Gender gaps work both ways, you know.

Fair point, but I'm pretty sure she's already at rock bottom among those types of men. This election could very well have the biggest gender gap ever.
Many of "those types of men" are idiots who support trump.
Although I don't think that even a majority of men support Trump over Clinton. He is losing in every Demographic group.
He is losing among men and he is losing among whites, so he isn't
doing very well.
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton: I'm very experienced with men who go 'off the reservation' on: April 29, 2016, 05:32:47 pm
I find it funny when white teenage males on the internet think they know how sexism will resonate with middle aged women.

You do realize that this demographic will most likely vote for Hillary in a general election. Insulting them and calling them racist, sexist and all the above does harm to her campaign. Also no not all Sanders supporters are white Roll Eyes

Uh...nowhere in my post did I mention Sanders or his supporters. It was jfern (ofc) that randomly brought him up out of nowhere.
Clinton is the one who has been playing "the gender card".

I think you completely missed my point. Young white men on the internet do not have a clue how the idea of sexism will resonate with middle aged or older women. This goes for all young white men, whether they support Bernie, Trump, or even Hillary.
That may be true of some young white men or it might not be, but it is still a generalization, and would certainly not be true of all young white men. That does not change the fact that Clinton has made her gender an issue and that one of her supporters said that "there is a special place in hell for women who don't support Clinton"; that is playing the gender card and is an insult to women who support Sanders, and I know many who do.
23  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton: I'm very experienced with men who go 'off the reservation' on: April 29, 2016, 05:23:12 pm
I find it funny when white teenage males on the internet think they know how sexism will resonate with middle aged women.

You do realize that this demographic will most likely vote for Hillary in a general election. Insulting them and calling them racist, sexist and all the above does harm to her campaign. Also no not all Sanders supporters are white Roll Eyes

Uh...nowhere in my post did I mention Sanders or his supporters. It was jfern (ofc) that randomly brought him up out of nowhere.
Clinton is the one who has been playing "the gender card".
24  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: latest Betfair odds on: April 29, 2016, 05:18:05 pm
My guess is that Trump will get 1242 delegates. I could be wrong, but I might be right.
25  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton: I'm very experienced with men who go 'off the reservation' on: April 29, 2016, 05:13:01 pm
Should we create safe spaces for Radical Bernie supporters so they won't be triggered once Sanders inevitably drops out?
Not needed. They already exist.
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