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1  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Democrats and liberals in general need to stop with civility politics on: Today at 07:49:16 pm
As far as the VP choice not being that important. I have heard that argument, but I am skeptical because so many VPs have become POTUS due to the death (or resignation) of the President, so it is a very critical choice, but maybe too quickly dismissed because of the relative position of the VP who's main political power is 1/2 vote in the Senate.
2  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Democrats and liberals in general need to stop with civility politics on: Today at 07:43:24 pm
Also the go right strategy is based on the fallacy that it is simply about being "moderate" and ignores all other factors, the biggest one being the personality of the candidate and whether such a person can inspire (Obama for example), whether he was left or right wasn't as big a selling point as his personality.
3  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Democrats and liberals in general need to stop with civility politics on: Today at 07:39:15 pm
By decent argument, I mean that it sounds plausible, however, 1992, 1996, 2000, and 2016 were all years that the Democrat won with less than a majority. 2000, and 2016 were unusual because the popular vote winner lost the electoral college. Left out is the fact that FDR won four times.
He was no conservative, at least for his time. The going "moderate" strategy has alienated liberals and many have gone with third party candidates. It's a question of strategy vs. principle and some things just shouldn't be compromised. If given the choice between a genuine liberal and a genuine conservative, all other things being equal, I think that the liberal would win the POTUS election.
Going "right" seems to work for the GOP (Reagan, Trump) and if the going center strategy worked neither of them would have done so well. If going "right" works for the GOP it will work for the Dems. to go left.
The "McGovern/Mondale theory" is the same as the "Goldwater" theory. Yet Reagan and Trump succeeded where Goldwater failed and McGovern and Mondale were a long time ago, so that theory lacks some credibility.
4  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Democrats and liberals in general need to stop with civility politics on: Today at 07:26:44 pm
Both Carter and Clinton beat incumbents due to their moderate positions. Vice presidential picks don't affect votes much. When Mondale ran on his own, he suffered the same fate as McGovern. Clinton was beating Bush in the polls even during the time Perot dropped out.

Gore and Hillary both won the popular vote, it's just that they wrongly thought their votes would be as well distributed as Carter's, a very easy mistake to make when looking at polls. They were both running after two terms of a presidency of the same party as them, and it is very difficult to win the popular vote in such conditions, especially in the presence of left wing third party spoilers.
Yes, you have a decent argument, but part of the problem is that the Democrats have been moving further and further to the right for decades now and although they may have done ok in the POTUS elections they have been doing terrible down ballot, due, I would suggest to this rightward trend. McGovern and Mondale are the only examples that you have for your theory and they both lost to incumbents. Then you point out that Carter won and suggest that he was a moderate, but he lost in 1980 and Reagan was to the right of Ford. Also, should it be simply be "right" vs "left" aren't there any compromise candidates, that could appeal to both wings of the party, or would that make things even worse, since nobody would be happy?
5  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Democrats and liberals in general need to stop with civility politics on: Today at 06:33:06 pm
Democrats have to stop shying away from progressive values. Economic regulation is absolutely necessary in order to develop a thriving country. Welfare is a good thing, it is not an entitlement, and we will expand it. We support a nationalized healthcare system. We support a minimum wage that is above the poverty line.
http://www.coloradoindependent.com/162305/coloradocare-amendment-69
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People see through this so-called "centrism", the "b-b-but this and this", and it comes off as if the Democrats don't stand for anything, as if they're too scared to fight.
The last Democratic nominee to win by over eight points was Bill Clinton. Obama couldn't even replicate that even though the Democrats won the House popular vote by double digits in 2008, rather than tying it as in 1996. Why? Because Obama was viewed by too many Americans as extreme. Admit it: centrism wins. McGovernism can't win the country, no matter how much its proponents want it to.

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Then comes the Republicans, who are very clear in what they stand for, and this is much more appealing, especially for apolitical people. This is why the Democrats are so incompetent.
The only Tea Party House members from Hillary Clinton districts were Pete Sessions, Ed Royce, Dana Rohrabacher (I count him as Tea Party even though he's not in the Tea Party caucus), and John Culberson, all of whose districts went for Romney overwhelmingly. Tea Party Republicans did not win the nation as a whole. They were just the majority of the majority in 2010.

McGovern lost to an incumbent, and it's very difficult to beat an incumbent. Centrism on the other hand has failed. Clinton never go a majority. Gore lost. Kerry lost. Hillary lost. Jimmy Carter won with a very liberal VP. I don't think that the "go right" mentality is the correct one. Besides, the fact that HClinton voted to give Bush the power to invade Iraq couldn't have helped her, so the hawkish nature of Democrats needs to just go away for good.
6  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Favourite "New Atheist" on: Today at 06:06:47 pm
I would guess Sam Harris, because I don't know enough about Dennett.
Unfortunately, Sam Harris has made at least one faux pas.

The demonization of these people (like the demonization of Madalyn Murray O'Hair)
does us all a disservice.
The hatred of atheism and atheists in a so called free society is something for which I have no respect,
and when it is done by religious "liberals", it is all the more unfortunate.
The fear of atheists seems to indicate that one is insecure in their religion.

There is nothing "new" about the new atheists. There genre go back long before they were born
(i.e. Robert Ingersol and Bertrand Russel)

Religion represents a grave threat to our very existence, though not all "religious" people commit heinous acts. Sam Harris wrote his book, "The end of Faith" in a response to 9-11.

Perhaps religion is not always harmful, but it certainly can be.
7  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Why do you believe (or not believe)... whatever you believe? on: Today at 05:52:03 pm
I'm an atheist because I used to be a Christian. There was never anything 'there' when I prayed. I felt that at 7. I felt that at 17. Prayer was so empty. I found, even when I did pray, it unhelpful. As a 7 year old I used to peek at everyone else and think I was doing it wrong. Never felt anything and felt that it did nothing either for me or as an 'effect' on people or issues outside of me. Got into an Aspergers obsessive routine to try and 'get' it as a result that took a decade to overcome. Even joined the choir to approach it at a different musically 'transcendent' level.
I think that this may be an experience that you have in common with many others.
It's a shame that so much time is wasted on such a futile attempt to conform to the conditioning of our youth.
8  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Is it possible to travel faster than light? on: Today at 04:57:15 pm
To argue that faster than the speed of light (in space) is not possible, seems to imply that the speed of light (in space) is a constant. Do we know with absolute certainty that the speed of light (in a vacuum) is a constant?

It has been hypothesized (albeit not proven, of course) that the speed of light (in a vacuum) is variable. The hypothesis of course is called VSL (variable speed of light).

Since all of these theories have not been proven, one can't say for sure that faster than light speed is possible, but many have claimed that it is not. It seems that there may still be room for debate on the topic, even if the general consensus is that it is not possible.
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Democrats and liberals in general need to stop with civility politics on: Today at 04:21:46 pm
Also, there is little chance that impeachment will go anywhere before 2019. It would be better to focus on other issues at this point in time.

Democrats don't need to get all nasty. People are concerned about the healthcare issue, why not focus on that? (Of course, that issue itself could get nasty anyway, no?)
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Democrats and liberals in general need to stop with civility politics on: Today at 04:15:55 pm
How about running on the issues instead of all the crap that Democrats run on?

I agree. Democrats thought that they could win by attacking Trump's character, but it
didn't work. Anne Coulter actually said that his character was irrelevant and that she
supported him on the issues.
Ironically, Republicans did the same when Clinton was president and that backfired big time.
I don't get what all this impeachment talk is about. Democrats want a President Pence.
Really? Is he any better than Trump?

I'm skeptical that Vice President Zealot Talk-Radio-Host would be much better than President Insane Reality-Tv-Actor (and Crook), but that's almost beside the point. The same goes for his politics.

Trump has violated his oath of office, is insane, and has demonstrated himself to be both unfit and unable to carry out the duties of his office. Pence's politics might be awful, his term might be bad for my political ideals, and he might not even be a very good President. But for the sake the nation, and the integrity of our government, Trump needs to be lawfully removed and Pence given his chance to do the job. And Pence isn't obviously insane the way Trump is.

Removing Trump would be a first. That doesn't mean it won't happen. However, when the GOP tried to impeach A. Johnson they fell one vote short. Since two thirds is required I can't imagine that it would happen. When the Republicans tried to remove A. Johnson it would have meant that they would have had a POTUS of their own party. Interesting history, if irrelevant.

If the Democrats move forward on this it could backfire. It is similar to what the GOP tried to do to Clinton, but they controlled both Houses. It backfired, and would likely backfire on the Dems if they try it. There are better ways to advance the agenda of the Democratic Party, starting with trying to unify the disparate elements, which may not be possible either.
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Democrats and liberals in general need to stop with civility politics on: Today at 01:17:20 pm
How about running on the issues instead of all the crap that Democrats run on?

I agree. Democrats thought that they could win by attacking Trump's character, but it
didn't work. Anne Coulter actually said that his character was irrelevant and that she
supported him on the issues.
Ironically, Republicans did the same when Clinton was president and that backfired big time.
I don't get what all this impeachment talk is about. Democrats want a President Pence.
Really? Is he any better than Trump?
12  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Is it possible to travel faster than light? on: Today at 11:36:07 am
Sad, however, is the fact that science can and has been used for both good and ill.
13  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Is it possible to travel faster than light? on: Today at 11:34:40 am
Finding life "out there", time travel, and the existence of a multi-verse, for now is best left to science fiction. I say that because such things are currently only speculation and of course time travel (backwards, of course) contains at least one paradox, if not many.

Certainly forward time travel is happening as I write, so "time travel" is meant to imply going back in time. This would inevitably change the timeline, which itself equates to an obvious paradox.

Life "out there"? What are the odds? Why bother even speculate and the same goes for the "multi-verse".

The universe is very big, one could speculate that it never ends, as well. These are the kinds of things that create such awe among not only scientists but others as well.
14  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Is it possible to travel faster than light? on: Today at 11:29:40 am
As you know, I voted other, but I would like to point out that it is less likely to be able to discover a way to surpass the speed of light (in space) if one decides ahead of time that it is impossible.
If there are shortcuts, then getting from point A to point B wouldn't actually be exceeding the so called "cosmic speed limit", but as for these shortcuts, we can only speculate. We are far from any of this, and therefore it is all moot. Even at the speed of light a trip to the nearest solar system would take over four years and a round trip obviously twice as long. We are no where near this.
15  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Do you, as a Republican approve or disapprove of POTUS Trump? on: July 25, 2017, 08:41:30 pm
Poll question is flawed.  In polling, there's no such thing as "approval of a person".  You should ask if people approve of the job Trump is doing as president, not whether they "approve of Trump".  If, on the other hand, you want to know if people have a positive or negative opinion of Trump as a person, then the question should be "Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of Donald Trump?", not whether you "approve" of him.

The thread concerns Trump as POTUS therefore it is about how he is doing, his performance as POTUS and if that wasn't clear, there is the option to change one's vote. His job performance and his character are obviously not the same, although it may be possible for someone to connect the two.
16  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Is it possible to travel faster than light? on: July 25, 2017, 11:12:25 am
Based on the opinions of scientists I would say "no", but I'll vote "other answer" instead,
because there is always the possibility that they could be wrong.

The question is can anything travel faster than light, for example particles that are already doing that? (tachyons)
17  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Do you, as a Republican approve or disapprove of POTUS Trump? on: July 25, 2017, 10:30:10 am
I am curious to see what Republicans here think of Trump.
18  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas? on: July 25, 2017, 09:52:36 am
This place was really a Hillary echo chamber last year.

Definitely was. I was relentlessly attacked constantly
Of course, I agree. As I have said many times, this site is nothing but a Borg Collective.
19  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: word association game on: July 24, 2017, 03:22:19 pm
Ghost
20  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: word association game on: July 24, 2017, 02:34:08 pm
Lie
21  General Politics / Individual Politics / Yet another stupid political test! :) :) :( on: July 24, 2017, 02:06:46 pm
You are a: Socialist Anti-Government Interventionist Bleeding-Heart Liberal
Collectivism score: 67%
Authoritarianism score: -17%
Internationalism score: 33%
Tribalism score: -100%
Liberalism score: 33%

(no I'm definitely not an interventionist nor am I anti-govt)

Thirty simple questions, if you have the time to waste.

http://www.abtirsi.com/quiz2.php
22  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: word association game on: July 24, 2017, 09:58:53 am
Lazy
23  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: word association game on: July 13, 2017, 02:21:36 pm
Fuzzy
24  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Nationstates thread on: July 13, 2017, 02:09:36 pm
I just re-activated my nation there. I was active there 15 years ago, but got bored with it.
I decided to give it another try.
25  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Atlas forum leaderboard on: July 13, 2017, 09:38:51 am
Really, (perhaps?), there should be a limit to the number of posts per day and the number
of threads per day, which any member can start.
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