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1  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Jill Stein 99.9% sure to be on the VA ballot on: Today at 02:25:27 pm
It's good to know that voters will have a real choice for real change this year. Smiley

It's also good to know that Clinton although she appears as the likely winner of the electoral college (at least at this point in time) will not get a majority of the popular vote. Smiley

Yeah, something like 48% is what a terribly flawed candidate like her deserves in the national popular vote.

And Trump deserves to be held to 40%.
Of course, let's not forget what good buddies Trump and Clinton really are.
2  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Jill Stein 99.9% sure to be on the VA ballot on: Today at 02:08:45 pm
It's good to know that voters will have a real choice for real change this year. Smiley

It's also good to know that Clinton although she appears as the likely winner of the electoral college (at least at this point in time) will not get a majority of the popular vote. Smiley
3  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Should Lief's thread be deleted immediately? on: August 05, 2016, 10:13:18 am
fyi,

I could respond, but not right now; I have too many other things to do to post here as often as I could, if I even wanted to, which I don't really anyway. Hasta la vista, baby.

Smiley

btw,
I have posted on this site for almost 12 years now, so it is unlikely that I will be leaving "forever" anytime soon. But who really knows?

PS: I don't think Trump will win, but then again who really knows for sure? (hence, this issue is probably moot, don't you think?)
4  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone IV - Hungover on: August 04, 2016, 02:22:49 pm
I've already mentioned it elsewhere, but since this thread seems more relevant, I'll mention it here, too. From ~2005-2009, I posted here a whole ton as "SpeedOfSound". In my long time gone, I'm happy to say that everything has been well. I've been given the opportunity to pursue the dream and I'm currently living in Texas, well underway in my PhD work in Classics (specializing in Latin prose/Roman history). I've come back around because I still can't resist a US presidential election and I can apparently only understand and enjoy politics in the crazy way y'all have always done it. I'm so glad to see so many names still posting here that were already legends when I was originally on!
I remember you well. Glad to see your living up to the potential that you obviously showed, way back when, Flavius Belisarius.
5  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Should Lief's thread be deleted immediately? on: August 04, 2016, 02:14:14 pm
The point is: don't you think that this kind of thread is something that only a troll would start?
Well, we wouldn't want any trolls to start showing up on Atlas, now would we? The forum's landscape would be changed forever.
Yo ho Dr. Speedy, I formerly posted as "MacFarlan". Remember me? We were allies in the fight against trying to stop DINO Bob Casey (who unfortunately is still a DINO senator) from getting the nomination vs. two more respectable candidates.

Welcome back,
Your dreams were your ticket out.

Welcome back,
To that same old place that you laughed about.

Well the names have all changed since you hung around,
But those dreams have remained and they're turned around.

Who'd have thought they'd lead ya (Who'd have thought they'd lead ya)
Back here where we need ya (Back here where we need ya)

Yeah we tease him a lot cause we've got him on the spot, welcome back,
Welcome back, welcome back, welcome back.

Welcome back, welcome back, welcome back.

6  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Should Lief's thread be deleted immediately? on: August 04, 2016, 01:48:20 pm
Isn't Lief a Trump supporter IIRC?


He was a "ironic" Trump supporter, just like myself and most of Atlas. Now he's in sincere mode, cheering for our next president.

I very much doubt Lief is ever in sincere mode.
No need for doubt. It's a no brainer. He hasn't the slightest bit of sincerity, obviously.
7  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Should Lief's thread be deleted immediately? on: August 04, 2016, 01:41:03 pm
The Borg is Everywhere! Beware!

It seems that the Borg Collective has become thoroughly entrenched at uselectionatlas.org.
No deviation from groupthink will be tolerated. Resistance is futile. No thread, no matter how illegal, vicious, hateful, innappropriate, nasty, intolerant etc etc will be deleted. The only exceptions are if your thread contains anything the least bit politically incorrect, if your thread contains anything with from a countless list of forbidden words, or deviates in the slightest from the groupthink of this insane asylum. The slightest criticism of any moderator is also dangerous, btw.

Spelling errors, errors in grammar, or the use of logical fallacies are also highly encouraged. Although they are not required, and sane posts seem to still be permitted, they are not the norm here.

People who engage in personal attacks are the heroes or heroines at this site, notwithstanding the fact that
the cowards who use them would rarely behave this way in real life lest them become cast out as anti-social
pariahs.
8  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Should Lief's thread be deleted immediately? on: August 04, 2016, 10:30:20 am
The point is: don't you think that this kind of thread is something that only a troll would start?

9  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Should Lief's thread be deleted immediately? on: August 04, 2016, 10:25:23 am
The coup itself would be illegal, but why would saying that you support it be illegal?

Good question. "Support" seems to clearly indicate advocacy, does it not. If someone says "I support Trump" and such a person is eligible to vote for him, is it not logical to conclude that such a person might actually vote for Trump? Some people could say, "I support Trump" and be too lazy go out and vote.

Perhaps it isn't the perfect analogy but Trump himself has made statements that clearly indicate that he condones violence, and there have been a number of reports of violence by Trump supporters, in fact one such act was undeniable. (Sanders on the other, never advocated that his supporters be violent toward Trump's or Clinton's although it has been alledged that some of them have).
10  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Should Lief's thread be deleted immediately? on: August 04, 2016, 09:37:01 am
A military coup would be illegal so of course not.

Would anyone care to disagree with this statement?
11  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Should Lief's thread be deleted immediately? on: August 04, 2016, 09:31:34 am
A) Probably not, I've seen worse
B) Given that almost 50% of people voted yes there, I don't see this petition gaining steam.

The question is, really, what do the mods think, and what does David Leip think?
More important does such a thread violate the law?

Thanks for the response, btw. Although "I've seen worse" is hardly a justification for anything, to be perfectly honest.
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Would you support a military coup if Trump wins the election? on: August 04, 2016, 07:58:14 am
A military coup would be illegal so of course not.
Yes, and this thread should be deleted. Where are the moderators today?

http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=242535.0
13  About this Site / The Atlas / Should Lief's thread be deleted immediately? on: August 04, 2016, 07:55:56 am
http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=242519.0
14  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Would you support a military coup if Trump wins the election? on: August 04, 2016, 07:50:46 am
This thread should prove once and for all what a lunatic Lief is.

15  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Is jfern really gone for good? on: August 03, 2016, 04:50:12 pm
mea culpa; I had forgotten his user id, I thought that it was 667 (close only counts in horseshoes). NEVER MIND, then..

... You have people's user IDs... memorized?
ha ha obviously not, I couldn't even get his right. I have mine memorized, of course, and David Leip's is hard to forget.
16  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Is jfern really gone for good? on: August 03, 2016, 09:37:40 am
mea culpa; I had forgotten his user id, I thought that it was 667 (close only counts in horseshoes). NEVER MIND, then..
17  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Is jfern really gone for good? on: August 03, 2016, 07:46:23 am
I think his account may have been deleted. Does anyone know?
18  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Your most unusual personal goal in life on: July 27, 2016, 03:32:07 pm
To live another 333 years. To learn 333 languages fluently. To memorize 200,000,000 digits of pi. To be the world chess champion or at least memorize 333 games. To go to Mars or at least the Moon. It's possible that I won't accomplish any of those. Maybe I should just write a book and hope that it becomes a best seller.
19  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: What kind of atheist are you? on: July 25, 2016, 06:46:58 pm
http://www.selectsmart.com/philosophy/

here's another one but it is about specific philosophers rather than philosophies
20  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: What kind of atheist are you? on: July 25, 2016, 06:31:40 pm
These tests (whether political, religious or whatever) usually are poor indicators of what a person actually believes, but may in some cases, help give a person a better idea of where to search. In my case, for example, while I don't want to label myself as a Buddhist or Taoist, these two "religions" have a great deal of appeal to me. However, I already knew that before I took the test.
21  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: What kind of atheist are you? on: July 25, 2016, 06:28:27 pm
My point is that while the test is fatally flawed it is designed for people that aren't Jews, Christians or Muslims.
22  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: What kind of atheist are you? on: July 25, 2016, 06:26:06 pm
If your definition of religion includes a belief in "God",

But why would it?

The problem with the inclusion of Buddhism in this quiz (along with Confucianism, Tao, and, frankly, Unitarian Universalism) is that it's being lumped in with all these abstract philosophical conceptualizations. Theravada Buddhism and 'weak agnosticism' are simply not part of the same conceptual category at all.
The connection between these beliefs is tenuous at best, but one thing that they have in common is that none of them embrace the traditional "western" God. (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam). Those three although very different are often classified as "western" or "Abramic" religions.

Of course, the question "What kind of atheist are you"? is problematic. Many people associate the term with rejection of religion.
23  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: What kind of atheist are you? on: July 25, 2016, 06:11:41 pm
If your definition of religion includes a belief in "God", then yes I would call Christianity a religion.
By that definition many Buddhists are not "religious".

Then issue was not what is a religion, however, the issue was whether all Buddhists believe in "God".
24  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: What kind of atheist are you? on: July 25, 2016, 05:09:12 pm
> including Buddhism as a "nonteistic philosophy"

I can't wait to see Nathan rip this apart.

The fact that the phrase the quiz uses is 'non-believer' is actually way worse than just classifying Theravada as a not-necessarily-theistic belief system would have been.  Confucianism is arguable--the Catholic Church, for instance, finally decided, in 1939, largely for realpolitik reasons, that it didn't count as a religion, and academic East Asianists are pretty evenly split on whether or not we agree with this--and I guess Tao might be arguable too based on what I know about it, but describing Theravada Buddhism as a 'nontheistic philosophy' makes about as much sense as describing Mormonism as an 'American political ideology'.
I would say that we don't actually know what exactly what Buddha taught, because like Jesus and Socrates we don't have any of his writings, only the writings of his followers and the various schools of Buddhism don't agree, anyway (just like Christians). To describe Theravada as a "not-necessarily-theistic belief system" is fine by me. The point is that not all Buddhists believe in God. Obviously some do.
25  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: What kind of atheist are you? on: July 25, 2016, 04:51:30 pm
> including Buddhism as a "nonteistic philosophy"

I can't wait to see Nathan rip this apart.
Belief in God is not a requirement for being a Buddhist.
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