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1  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / LOA: April 24th-26th on: April 23, 2015, 03:30:15 pm
I will be out of town on these days with limited internet access, if any at all.
2  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: HYPO: Johnson vs Feingold in 2014 on: April 22, 2015, 08:35:23 pm
Virtually the same result as 2010 I'd guess. Plus or minus a point in either direction.
3  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Electoral Reform Amendment (Debating) on: April 22, 2015, 07:33:42 pm
AYE
4  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Electoral Reform Amendment (Debating) on: April 22, 2015, 07:09:24 pm
I call for a final vote.
5  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Northeast results calculation (CJO RPryor, please read) on: April 22, 2015, 05:47:24 pm
Clyde, is that supposed to be with a quota of five?
6  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Policing the Police Act of 2014 (Voting on Polnut's amendment) on: April 22, 2015, 05:46:21 pm
I would like it we put punitive measures if the regions failed to meet certain standards, such as a heavy fine.

For now, Reluctant AYE, but I think this still needs work...
7  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Office of Cranberry, Pacific Regional Senator - STATEMENT ON JUNE on: April 22, 2015, 05:30:24 pm
Yes, you have been one of the best senators over the last few months. Good luck in whatever you choose to do next.
8  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Reintroducing the Cabinet Reform Amendment on: April 22, 2015, 04:55:56 pm
The Speaker of the Senate can remove obvious typos or mistakes like that as far as I know (in reference to the minister thing).
9  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Legislation Introduction Thread on: April 21, 2015, 06:32:16 am
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Clarification of Proportional Representation Act

4. Where candidates are tied they shall be ranked by the total number of second preferences votes in the preceding round received and so on. Where this method proves indecisive and the tie must be broken to materially progress the count, a Condorcet count between the tied candidates shall be decisive.
(a) Where candidates are tied at any stage in the count, they shall be graded according to their status on the preceding count and so on. Where candidates are tied at each such stage, they shall be graded according to their total number of second preferences.
(b) Where still tied, by a similar analysis of their third preferences and so on.

(c) Where this method proves indecisive and the tie must be broken to materially progress the count, a Condorcet count between the tied candidates shall be decisive.
10  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Northeast results calculation (CJO RPryor, please read) on: April 20, 2015, 11:28:11 pm
Yeah, it's definitely quite unclear.

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4. Where candidates are tied they shall be ranked by the total number of second preferences received and so on. Where this method proves indecisive and the tie must be broken to materially progress the count, a Condorcet count between the tied candidates shall be decisive.
(a) Where candidates are tied at any stage in the count, they shall be graded according to their status on the preceding count and so on. Where candidates are tied at each such stage, they shall be graded according to their total number of second preferences.
(b) Where still tied, by a similar analysis of their third preferences and so on.
(c) Where this method proves indecisive and the tie must be broken to materially progress the count, a Condorcet count between the tied candidates shall be decisive.

11  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Northeast results calculation (CJO RPryor, please read) on: April 20, 2015, 11:21:07 pm
I think the tie-breaking method refers to when you need to rank candidates after the distribution of the surplus votes and there is a still a tie. However, the only initial surplus given directly to either me or Pikachu came from a vote by peeperkorn that ranked Altsomn first and me second. The weight of this 2nd preference surplus vote value given to me is much greater than any 3rd preference overflow surplus value given to either me or Pikachu, as per the election administrator guidebook.

Since DKRol won without a surplus in the first round, we basically treat those third preferences from JoMCar's voters that flow to either you or Pikachu the same way as we would the vote from Peeperkorn that ranked you second. Basically, once you reach this sort of point in the count, you ignore preferences for candidates already eliminated or elected and observe the relative rankings for those still in contention only.
12  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Northeast results calculation (CJO RPryor, please read) on: April 20, 2015, 10:51:35 pm
Scratch the runoff.

According to the Proportional Representation Act (link below), we'll need to count first preferences to break the tie, and go successively to each level of lower preferences if there still exists a tie.

In the first round, both Pikachu and Castro are tied with three votes. On to second preferences.

In the second round, both Pikachu and Castro are tied with one vote. On to third preferences.

In the third round, Pikachu edges out Castro with nine votes to six. Pikachu wins.

So technically the certified winners are correct. The good thing to come out of this is that we've identified a serious flaw that we've had for many months now under multiple people (myself included) in counting these votes. Now we can avoid that in future races.
13  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Northeast results calculation (CJO RPryor, please read) on: April 20, 2015, 10:36:40 pm
I incorrectly told Castro via PM the results were correct because I plugged them into the calculator, but apparently the whole thing is messed up so I did it by hand here.

There were 23 votes for 6 seats, so the quota is 4 votes.

Clyde (4)
Cynic (4)
JoMCar (5)
Castro (3)
Pikachu (3)
DKrolga (4)

So Clyde, Cynic, and Dkrolga are elected without surplus, while JoMCar is elected with a surplus.

So this is what happens in the tiebreaker between Castro and Pikachu-

Castro- 3.4 (+Peeperkorn, JoMCaR)
Pikachu- 3.4 (+Pessimistic Antineutrino, Winfield)
Exhausted- 0.2 (+Deus)

So it's a tie. Looks like the Lockett Calculator was FAR OFF.

That means a runoff as far as I know.
14  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Look for the Union Laben Act of 2015 on: April 20, 2015, 07:04:44 pm
Not a big fan of this. It's minor, but I don't think we should waste government resources on something like this, especially since we live in a very union-friendly nation anyway.
15  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Reintroducing the Cabinet Reform Amendment on: April 20, 2015, 07:03:15 pm
Is there a reason that cabinet secretaries are "confirmed by the Senate through a majority vote" (4.2) while deputy secretaries require only "with the advice and consent of the Senate" (4.3). Are these phrases supposed to imply different things?

In practice they've been treated the same way, but that's a good point. I think we might as well make it consistent here.

 
Quote from: Amendment Offered
Reintroducing the Cabinet Reform Amendment:

1. Following the passage of this amendment, the current existing Cabinet shall retain its current form until the start of the next presidential term.

Article II of the Constitution is hereby amended to read:

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Section 1: The Presidency
5.The President shall appoint the Secretaries of the executive departments who shall constitute the Cabinet, with the advice and consent of the Senate, who shall all be registered voters. The President shall have power to dismiss any member of his Cabinet.

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Section 4: The Cabinet:

1. The cabinet shall be divided into different executive departments, created and regulated by executive order.
2. The individual departments shall be led by Cabinet Secretaries, who shall be appointed by the President through executive order and confirmed by the Senate through a majority vote.
3. All of the Ministers of the Cabinet may appoint Deputies,  who all shall be registered voters and confirmed by the Senate through a majority vote, to handle specific government departments, agencies or responsibilities, with the advice and consent of the Senate.

Section 5: Game Engine:

1. The Game Engine shall be represented in the person of a Game Moderator who shall be entrusted with establishing and informing about the real world events and situations of the Republic of Atlasia and the World.
2. The Game Moderator shall be a registered voter, and he shall be appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate. The Game Moderator may at any time be removed by the Senate by a three fifths vote, without presidential approval.
3. The Game Moderator may appoint deputies to assist him on his duties, who shall all be registered voters and confirmed by the Senate through a majority vote.
4. The office of the Game Moderator shall not be considered subordinated to the Presidency or the Cabinet.

Article V, Section 1 of the Constitution is hereby amended to read:

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1. No person may simultaneously hold two or more offices of the Republic of Atlasia at any level of the government. An exception shall be made for the Secretaries of the President's cabinet, excluding the Game Moderator, who may serve in multiple cabinet posts, but not in addition to any other office. The Vice President may also be allowed to serve in a single cabinet post. Any person nominated to multiple offices, and any person already holding office nominated to another office as allowed above, shall still require Senate approval for each individual cabinet post. In the event that a Vice President who holds a cabinet post becomes Acting President, the Vice President shall designate an Acting Secretary to exercise the powers of that cabinet post while he or she serves as Acting President. The Senate shall, by appropriate legislation, have the power to place further limitations on the holding of multiple offices within the President's cabinet.

Article VIII, Section 2 of the Constitution is hereby amended to read:

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1. The candidacy declaration deadline for regular and special federal elections shall be determined by the Senate via appropriate legislation.
2. The procedure for absentee voting shall be determined by the Senate via appropriate legislation or by the Secretary of Federal Elections in the absence of such legislation.

Proposing this amendment.
16  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Electoral Reform Amendment (Debating) on: April 20, 2015, 06:58:13 pm
The other thing to consider is that for the sake of updating the constitution and not cluttering it with too many amendments, it might be a good idea to include the change oakvale suggests in this amendment anyway. We are already heavily altering the registration rules.

BTW, where exactly in the constitution is "one free move"? I know it's a silly question, but I've never been able to find it.
17  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Agricultural Policy Act of 2015 (Final vote) on: April 19, 2015, 08:11:44 pm
AYE
18  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Policing the Police Act of 2014 (Voting on amendment) on: April 19, 2015, 08:09:10 pm
AYE
19  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Constitutional Amendment (Final vote) on: April 19, 2015, 08:08:31 pm
AYE
20  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Electoral Reform Amendment (Debating) on: April 19, 2015, 08:07:07 pm
Can we do a final vote?
21  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Australia General Discussion on: April 19, 2015, 06:42:34 pm
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-04-19/nt-labor-leader-delia-lawrie-resigns-gunner-takes-over/6403864

Delia Lawrie has resigned. Michael Gunner (MP for Fannie Bay, Clare Martin's old seat) is NT Opposition Leader.



http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2015/04/20/newspoll-54-46-to-labor-in-south-australia/

Labor is ahead 54-46 in South Australia in the latest state poll.
22  Forum Community / Election and History Games / Re: The Lion and the Rose, the II ASOIAF Game (Sign Up - Rules Thread) on: April 19, 2015, 07:38:02 am
RIP Sad Sad Sad
23  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: Northeast Voting Booth: Fairness in Cabinet Obligations Amendment on: April 18, 2015, 08:20:39 am
AYE
24  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: Northeast Voting Booth: April Assembly Elections on: April 18, 2015, 08:17:48 am
1. Clyde
2. Dr. Cynic
3. Pikachu
4. Dkrolga
5. Castro
6. Altsomn Jósef Stmarken
25  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: April 2015 At-large Senate Election on: April 18, 2015, 08:05:34 am
1. Blair
2. Lief
3. Polnut
4. Cris
5. NC Yankee
6. Poirot
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