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1  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Australia General Discussion on: August 27, 2015, 02:07:51 pm
Joe Hockey is setting up a Parliamentary Friendship Group with Labor's Katy Gallagher about the push for an Australian Republic.

Very interesting to see Hockey make such a public push for this now, but also encouraging from the point of view of the republican movement and the momentum that its been trying to build as of late.

Disgusting. Hope he's sacked.

...Most (or at least a strong minority) of high-profile Liberals are republicans, including Julie Bishop and Malcolm Turnbull. This was the case in the Howard years too, with individuals like Peter Costello being self-professed Republicans.

Unfortunately it seems like it'll be a very long time before a republic comes into being. Sad
2  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: Will the government publish its agenda? on: August 26, 2015, 01:15:13 pm
I can confirm that I will be posting an agenda list for the Lands Ministry this weekend. I would be pleased to answer any questions in the meantime.
3  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: Question Time on: August 26, 2015, 12:06:20 pm
To ask the Deputy Prime Minister if he agrees with the Prime Minister that the Socialists are "radical revolutionaries" using "ploys and deceptions" in exposing the nepotism and wastes of taxpayer money in this Government.

Mr. Speaker,

I believe that while the Prime Minister's views have clearly been influenced by the disaster that has been our northern neighbor in recent years, he was simply pointing out that the criticism of the adviser positions by members of the Socialist Party is quite clearly just political in nature. There are many experienced former government officials in the Right Honorable Member's party who understand that it is fundamentally impossible to orchestrate ministries of massive size without having an assistant minister in these departments. Otherwise, the duty we owe to the South American people cannot be fulfilled to the best of our ability. Atlasian-style fragmentation to create multiple additional ministries would be far more inefficient and wasteful than the rational system that the government has put in place.
4  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: 1st Parliament of South America on: August 24, 2015, 02:36:33 pm
5  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Australian Federal Redistribution 2016 on: August 21, 2015, 09:10:52 am

The draft boundaries are out. A new Liberal seat of Burt with a 5% margin has been created, which will likely be very marginal for the next election. Liberal margins in Hasluck and Swan have been slightly boosted, while their margins in Cowan and Stirling have slightly reduced. All in all, probably a wash in terms of partisanship.
6  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Office of the Deputy Prime Minister & Lands Ministry on: August 19, 2015, 11:44:20 pm

Welcome to my office. In addition to co-coordinating the goals of the government along with PM Potus, I intend to pursue good management that will allow our nation to remain strong and stable while it comes into its own. in my capacity as Special Minister of Lands, I will play a key role in the restoration of our environment, promotion of sustainable energy, and support for agriculture and fisheries.

Thank you,
Talleyrand, Deputy Prime Minister and Special Minister of Lands
7  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: Election Coverage on: August 18, 2015, 10:45:47 am
I also support finding ways for non-elected official members of the simulation to play a role in it, but what exactly are you proposing for them to do just that? Should the GM recognize outside bodies like trade unions, the press, and paramilitary organizations? I'm open to all ideas.
8  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: The Social Liberals - Election HQ on: August 18, 2015, 10:40:21 am
Election Campaign Message

The elections results are in, and we have turned in a fantastic performance. Despite being the smallest of three major parties, we came within just one vote of winning a remarkable sixth seat! I thank all newly elected Social Liberal MPs, party members, and supporters for their part in this incredible feat, and promise that we will build on it in the future.

We have spoken to the other parties about the future of South America, and the sort of government we want to lead South America in its first days. I am pleased to state that we are confident that the Social Liberals shall be a key part in the development of our new nation, and that the exact part we will play will be announced in the coming days. Stay tuned for updates.

Thank you all once again!

X Talleyrand
Parliamentary Leader
9  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: Election Coverage on: August 17, 2015, 10:57:04 am
I call for all those involved in election administration to immediately resign from their posts. This has been a shambles and a disgrace to our new nation.

Yes, there are a LOT of things which clearly could have been handled better, although it seems like there are multiple people and forces responsible for this. I hope that we can pass a clearer electoral law with cross-party support as one of the first orders of the new parliament.
10  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: Rally for a Constitution - DRAFTING on: August 17, 2015, 10:53:13 am
This looks fantastic, although I think it's best if we cement the president's role and powers in the constitution. Perhaps constuitional amendments could take place via referenda?
11  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: 1st South American General Election - August 14th, 2015 on: August 14, 2015, 08:48:08 am
Social Liberals
12  General Politics / Individual Politics / New York 2016 U.S. Senate Election - Trump v. Schumer on: August 13, 2015, 10:21:21 am
In a hypothetical where Trump drops out and takes on Schumer.
13  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: Morton House Polling: General Election on: August 12, 2015, 11:22:53 pm
Socialist: 5
Con: 5
SocLib: 5
Whig: 3
Pioneer: 2
Country: 1

With the extra Whig seat going to one of the top three parties.

These results (unlikely, IMO - Workers Party turnout would likely allot them at least an extra seat) would make coalition formation a lot more interesting - either a one-seat majority or a multi-party coalition would be required.

Or you could have a minority coalition government with supply and confidence from another party!
14  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: The Social Liberals - Election HQ on: August 12, 2015, 05:37:25 pm
Election Campaign Message

With the election that will determine the future of South America less than two days away, it is my duty as the Leader of the Social Liberals to make my pitch for unaffiliated, undecided, or independent voters to cast a ballot for us this weekend.

Before our platform is released tonight, let me reiterate what we stand for.

We want a tolerant, open society above anything else. We will support the legalization of same-sex marriage and legal, safe abortions. Indigenous and other minority communities will be given the due they deserve as key components of a multicultural, diverse South America.

We will establish a stable and flexible framework for the government. We will create a permanent, elected head of state and determine the role and functions of local government. To ease integration, we will pass a universal citizenship law as soon as possible. In line with core principles, we will pursue a liberal immigration policy, as we believe that immigrants form much of the backbone that makes South America truly great.

We want to create a sustainable society that will last for generations to come. In line with that, we will work to conserve and restore as many of South America's native ecosystems, flora, and fauna as possible. Accelerating growth in and usage of renewable energy sources such as wind shall also be among our goals.

We want to balance the free market with a role for government in uplifting the weakest among us. We will introduce universal healthcare, but make sure that private options are available for those who desire them. A strong social safety net will always exist as long as we are in government for those who need it. We are not opposed to the nationalization of certain industries for the public good, but feel that this should only be an option when no better alternatives are available.

We are committed to free trade wherever possible, and open commerce between nations other than our own. For economic development, we will pursue support for small businesses and entrepreneurship across the continent, making it easier to thrive in today's competitive world. We will support a reasonable progressive taxation system, with reduced rates for the working and middle class. We will fight for and protect basic workplace rights.

We want to re-establish diplomatic relations with our northern neighbor, the former United States of America, provided that they are willing to work in good faith with us and make proper reforms to their own country to survive. We want a smaller, more efficient military and to avoid unnecessary violent conflict. Our foreign policy shall advantage countries devoted to our core tenets of human rights and justice, and work to implement them in those that are not.

I firmly believe that we are the party best suited to representing South Americans of all stripes and colors; the Social Liberals have the most realistic, mature plan to develop our newly united continent into a global superpower, with fairness, equality, and opportunity at home. Our party compromises a broad tent of individuals, ranging from classical liberals to social democrats, yet we all share a commitment to pragmatism in government and a great love for this country.

We humbly ask for your support this weekend to combat the challenges ahead. Thank you.

X Talleyrand
Parliamentary Leader
15  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: Morton House Polling: General Election on: August 11, 2015, 04:34:30 pm
Actually, we are Los Liberales Sociales. Tongue
16  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Next Australian Federal Election - 2015/2016 on: August 11, 2015, 08:33:22 am
Morgan seems to be very much leftier than The others, but predicted '13 fairly well?

In regards to WA, they have a mediocre Coalition government and are seeing the bum end of the mining boom. They also have been experiencing an oddly high Green vote since the Ludlam by-election although that could be disspating (no minor party cross tabs sadly).

Yeah, Morgan's final poll in 2013 hit the nail on the election.

It isn't surprising that the Coalition has declined in WA for the reasons you stated, but it's totally unbelievable that they've falled to less than 43%, which is why I can't take this poll too seriously. Tongue

Meanwhile Essential has no change (as usual), with the ALP ahead 53-47. Abbott is at 38-53 and Shorten at 29-52, with the former ahead on PPM by 36-32.
17  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Apparently "Mock Parliment" is trying to put the final nail in the coffin? on: August 10, 2015, 07:57:45 pm
I've already made a post explaining my position on the issue (which I encourage you to read). I've also expressed that a compromise suggested by Oakvale earlier in this thread might be a decent idea. I am not a villain trying to destroy Atlasia. Roll Eyes

18  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Apparently "Mock Parliment" is trying to put the final nail in the coffin? on: August 10, 2015, 07:54:35 pm
My idea at the time was to end the game and then revitalize it with something else. Now that we have a mock parliament game which seems to be moderately succesful and would actually energize Atlasia too, I think that it's possible for this game survive too. Believe it or not, people's views change and adapt with different circumstances and different times.

19  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Apparently "Mock Parliment" is trying to put the final nail in the coffin? on: August 10, 2015, 07:49:57 pm
One thing is to wish for two nations, another one is to force people to choose between one of two games by using that sort of policy (because really, just voting and not being able to run for office defeats the purpose of these games in many ways).

Cynical and disappointed as I am on Atlasia I still believe it's not proper to force people into choosing a game in which they will be able to participate on its full gameplay, because to me that amounts to a lack of respect for the players and the games rather than an attempt at "realism".

Personally, I'd have no interest in joining the Mock Parliament if it's going to engage in that (not that anyone cares, of course).

That's a reasonable point of view and some which a fair portion of people in the game seem to be taking, but the idea is to enhance and excite game play by creating a fundamental connection between the two games. I don't think this is anyone's biggest issue by far in the game, and it seems almost certain there will be a serious debate on it with both sides represented.

Anyway, what Truman pointed out earlier is that this clause was actually defeated by the provisional parliament because people believed it would be better for the elected parliament to vote on it. It currently isn't anywhere near effect.

This hypocrisy is so consterning.


Do you actually have anything of substance to say or do you just want to continue with snippy, incoherent one-liners?

FWIW I think the most likely scenario is a compromise wherein the positions of Prime Minister/Foreign Minsiter/Ambassador are off limits to foreign officeholders.

Yeah, this too.
20  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Apparently "Mock Parliment" is trying to put the final nail in the coffin? on: August 10, 2015, 07:34:21 pm
Going to pop in here for a bit-

I strongly reject the idea that this is some sort of scheme or motion to kill of Atlasia out of spite or whatever. Griffin and Windjammer should know better than to spout out meaningless accusations than that.

The idea behind the clause was to create a situation where you could see meaningful foreign policy between the two simulations without an unrealistic conflict of interest (I made this case on a post in the mock parliament board). The idea of two co-existing states actually originally came from some very pro-Atlasia individuals who haven't joined the South America simulation, including North Carolina.

My hope was that you'd end up with two smaller, but more stable and functioning games side by side. Keep in mind no one has proposed citizenship being limited to just one country, but just office holding, so someone could easily alternate offices in each game if they wished.
21  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: Provisional Parliament: Voting on Amendment on: August 10, 2015, 12:35:16 pm
22  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Who will win the Canadian Federal Election on: August 10, 2015, 09:36:50 am
It'll be a Conservative majority or minority. Any other outcome is exceedingly unlikely.
23  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: Provisional Parliament: Voting on Amendment on: August 10, 2015, 09:34:07 am
Allotted voting time is up and the clause is upheld.

what? there were more votes to strike than to keep

Yes, this (unfortunately IMO) happens to be the case. Sad

Anyway, I also move for a final vote on this bill.

Bill 0-5. Dissolving the Provisional Parliament

1. Having enacted legislation to provide for the conduct of elections and national affairs, the Provisional Parliament hereby dissolves itself upon the completion of a general election in accordance with The Elections Act.

2. The general election shall be set to begin at 12:00:00 AM EST on Friday, August 14th of 2015 and conclude on 11:59:59 PM EST on Sunday, August 16th of 2015.

3. No citizens who register after the commencement of the election may be eligible to vote in it.

4. The Registrar General shall be responsible for the administration of the voting booth.

24  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: The Social Liberals - Election HQ on: August 10, 2015, 08:56:34 am
Some basic ideas our party should probably support.

-Reducing trade barriers
-Preserving and protecting our ecosystems, including the Amazon Rainforest
-Support for small business
-Tax breaks for the middle and working class
-Support for indigenous communities and culture
-Investment in renewable energy
-Support for gay marriage and abortion rights
-Poverty support for those who need it
-Support universal health care but with availability of private options
-A reduced, more efficient military
-Pursuing human rights and peace abroad

To start off the discussion on our party platform.

This party believes that the goal of the welfare state should be to maximize not only security, but the autonomy and social mobility of the individual. To that end, we support universal provision of social services such as healthcare, education, and pensions, as well as unemployment benefits. Our emphasis is on the universal availability of these goods, not on the nature of their provider; we encourage the participation and competition of private entities. We believe that all in society have a place in our economy, and believe the central goal of the welfare state should be to maximize opportunity and encourage prosperity.

This party believes that a free market is the most sensible way to maximize economic participation. Private markets are the best way to allocate resources, with the state playing a managerial role to ensure the success of an imperfect but fundamentally sound economic system. We support economic competition, freedom of trade, and a relatively unfettered market. The state’s role in the economy should be limited and focused largely on encouraging the growth of business, through guaranteeing private property rights and the enforcement of contracts. However, there is a role for government in ensuring that corporations do not go so far as to trample on the basic rights of workers. While workers and their employers should be the primary actors in the workplace, there is a role for government in determining basic conditions and ensuring basic rights. Ultimately, the continued goal of Social Liberal economic policy is to maximize opportunity.

We also have this, courtesy of SJoyce outlining our broad vision for the welfare and economy.

In my view, our platform shouldn't get too nitty-gritty on details, but give the basic pitch on some of the issues I suggested in that opening post and especially the critical issues that the GM mentioned in his post earlier this week, such as a continental citizenship law and relations with Atlasia/the U.S.A.
25  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Next Australian Federal Election - 2015/2016 on: August 10, 2015, 08:26:47 am
The good news for Shorten is that Keating never had a net positive approval rating and won the 1993 election with similar numbers to what he (Shorten) is getting now.

The issue there is that he while he was unpopular, he was probably grudgingly respected and seen as capable by much of the Australian public. In addition, he had an incumbency advantage and a succesful eight year tenure as Treasurer to go on. Shorten doesn't have either of those boons, although in his benefit is the fact that Abbott clearly is probably not seen as capable by the electorate at this point. Either way, that's a flawed analogy IMO.

Meanwhile, Morgan is out.


They have the ALP ahead 57-43 on respondent-allocated preferences, up from 54-46 last time. However, this is only 54.5-45.5 based on 2013 flows.

The state cross tabs are only one of the reasons no one is going to believe this.

VIC- ALP 60.5/LNP 30.5
SA- ALP 59/LNP 41
WA- ALP 57.5/LNP 42.5 (Huh)
QLD- ALP 54.5/LNP 45.5
TAS- ALP 57/LNP 43
NSW- ALP 54.5/45.5
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