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1  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: Provisional Parliament: Voting on Amendment on: July 30, 2015, 05:58:30 pm
Nay
2  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: The Social Liberals on: July 30, 2015, 09:43:20 am
Aye.
3  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: The Social Liberals on: July 30, 2015, 09:14:18 am
I second the motion.

And I third the motion.
4  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: Provisional Parliament: Voting on Amendment on: July 30, 2015, 09:13:28 am
aye on striking 1(d)/nay on lowering the majority requirement to elect a president
5  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: Provisional Parliament: Voting on Amendment on: July 29, 2015, 10:46:29 pm
Leinard, why exactly is 3/5 better than 2/3? Not a fan of this amendment, as it's a perfect illustration of the fallacy of the mean.
6  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: Provisional Parliament on: July 29, 2015, 04:22:10 pm
If I remember correctly, two issues we wanted to resolve before calling an election were the Head of State situation and voter eligibility. There's nothing stopping the first elected Parliament from altering or remaking them as it sees fit at the moment.
7  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: Provisional Parliament on: July 29, 2015, 04:16:53 pm
Yeah, I support oakvale's amendment and rpryor's amendment to remove the redundant clause. I still object to the removal of the 2/3 clauses though.
8  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: Provisional Parliament on: July 29, 2015, 01:37:40 pm
I oppose the amendment proposed by Rpryor.

The president is supposed to be the Head of State and although just a figurehead, should command wide support across the Parliament instead of just being the candidate of whichever government is sitting at that time. Having a 2/3 majority requirement to seat the President would force parties across a broad ideological spectrum, and quite possibly from both government and opposition to settle on an acceptable candidate. The negotiations, etc. needed to get to that would be fascinating for the game.
9  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: The Social Liberals on: July 29, 2015, 01:33:57 pm
What do you all think about this?  We keep the color scheme and include a bird that gives a bit of a nod to South America.



I'm a fan of this personally.

I'll go for the executive, if I could hold that along with being deputy.

With the leadership elections, are they compulsory? I'd be against that, only if we get into government that could be a difficult thing to manage

Per the bylaws, you can only hold one, although you could probably run for both (I'd assume you'd have to give one up were you to win both).

I agree that compulsory leadership elections at the beginning of the parliament might need to be reconsidered, especially if we're in the midst of government formation negotiations. They might very well hinder us in that process.
10  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: The Social Liberals on: July 28, 2015, 10:46:28 pm
We need two more people to put themselves up for slots on the executive.
11  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: Provisional Parliament on: July 28, 2015, 09:55:47 pm
Nay
12  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: Unofficial Name Poll on: July 28, 2015, 09:08:09 pm
The game's name isn't what is going to make it interesting.
13  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: Provisional Parliament on: July 28, 2015, 06:24:12 pm
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BILL 0-4. THE PRESIDENCY ACT.

1. (a) The President shall serve as Head of State of South America. He or she shall be tasked with the appointment of a Prime Minister as Head of Government of South America.

(b) In order to be appointed, a Prime Minister must demonstrate a majority in Parliament to the President.

(c) If the office of President falls vacant, the Speaker of Parliament shall temporarily discharge the duties of the office.


2. All citizens of South America, without restriction, may serve as President.


3. (a) In the week preceding the conclusion of the incumbent President's term, the Parliament must elect a new President with a two-thirds majority of all sitting MPs.

(b) Should the President's term end without the election of his or her successor, the Speaker of Parliament shall preside over a special session of Parliament lasting no longer than one week to elect a new President.

(c) If the special session fails to elect a President, Parliament shall be dissolved by the acting President and elections held.

(d) Should the office of President fall vacant before the conclusion of a President's term, the procedure described in sections (b) and (c) shall be used.


4. (a) A President may be impeached and removed from office by a two-thirds majority of Parliament.


Another version of the act (now with an impeachment procedure).

Could we vote on this before Riley's bill if at all possible? I'd be fine with voting for his bill if we got the situation with the Head of State out of the way.
14  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: The Social Liberals on: July 28, 2015, 08:17:47 am
I guess I'll join this party

Wonderful news! Welcome.



We can use the interim logo until the national flag is decided, unless people want to move already, which is also fine. I personally like the color scheme on Barnes's first logo, but I also like the idea of some sort of bird symbol, as BaconBacon has suggested.

Are there any other declarations for chairman, leader, and deputy leader, btw?
15  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: Provisional Parliament on: July 28, 2015, 08:11:51 am
May I make a suggestion?

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(b) The Member appointed as Prime Minister must be able to assure the President that he or she commands the confidence of the Parliament.

I would also suggest specifying that the President appoints other members of the executive (the Cabinet, etc) on the advice of the PM.

I'm fine with this, but I thought it'd be easier if the PM got to do the Cabinet on his own- makes the reshuffles and stuff a bit easier.

Sorry to clutter this up, but what powers does the President have? It's always a mess, for example in the UK the Prime Minister in theory has 100% control over the Armed Forces. What's the situation with us?

I think through convention you'd basically expect the President here to be a figurehead.
16  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: Provisional Parliament on: July 27, 2015, 11:24:51 pm
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BILL 0-4. THE PRESIDENCY ACT.

1. (a) The President shall serve as Head of State of South America. He or she shall be tasked with the appointment of a Prime Minister as Head of Government of South America.

(b) In order to be appointed, a Prime Minister must demonstrate a majority in Parliament to the President.

(c) If the office of President falls vacant, the Speaker of Parliament shall temporarily discharge the duties of the office.


2. All citizens of South America, without restriction, may serve as President.


3. (a) In the week preceding the conclusion of the incumbent President's term, the Parliament must elect a new President with a two-thirds majority of all sitting MPs.

(b) Should the President's term end without the election of his or her successor, the Speaker of Parliament shall preside over a special session of Parliament lasting no longer than one week to elect a new President.

(c) If the special session fails to elect a President, Parliament shall be dissolved by the acting President and elections held.

(d) Should the office of President fall vacant before the conclusion of a President's term, the procedure described in sections (b) and (c) shall be used.


Is this better?

A new parliament could easily amend it, and I'm pretty sure we could elect a figure like Hashemite (as an example; I have no idea if he's interested) President with a 2/3 majority in the current Parliament.
17  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: Provisional Parliament on: July 27, 2015, 04:21:34 pm
Quote
BILL 0-4. THE PRESIDENCY ACT.

1. (a) The President shall serve as Head of State of South America. He or she shall be tasked with the appointment of a Prime Minister as Head of Government of South America.

(b) In order to be appointed, a Prime Minister must demonstrate a majority in Parliament to the President.

(c) If the office of President falls vacant, the Speaker of Parliament shall temporarily discharge the duties of the office.

(d) If the office of President falls vacant, the Speaker of Parliament shall temporarily discharge the duties of the office.

2. All citizens of South America, without restriction, may serve as President.


3. (a) In the week preceding the conclusion of the incumbent President's term, the Parliament must elect a new President with a two-thirds majority of all sitting MPs.

(b) Should the President's term end without the election of his or her successor, the Speaker of Parliament shall preside over a special session of Parliament lasting no longer than one week to elect a new President.

(c) If the special session fails to elect a President, Parliament shall be dissolved by the acting President and elections held.

(d) Should the office of President fall vacant before the conclusion of a President's term, the procedure described in sections (b) and (c) shall be used.


Is this better?

A new parliament could easily amend it, and I'm pretty sure we could elect a figure like Hashemite (as an example; I have no idea if he's interested) President with a 2/3 majority in the current Parliament.
18  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: Provisional Parliament on: July 27, 2015, 03:41:40 pm
I agree with Xahar. Unless we figure out a few more things, it's too early to call an election.

My suggestion is a Head of State (a President?) elected by the Parliament with a 2/3 majority who serves a single consecutive term of 3 months. That way, you could have interesting dilemmas and the like if the Parliament failed to elect the President on time (such as an automatic dissolution procedure?)
19  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: Provisional Parliament on: July 27, 2015, 01:46:42 pm
Nay
20  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: The Social Liberals on: July 27, 2015, 12:18:55 pm
I think our party color should be some shade of green, to differentiate ourselves from the other parties (who have gone with shades or red or blue as far as I can see) or yellow, which is common with European liberal parties.

Our temporary logo is the torch/leaf thing.



Here are some logos from other members of Liberal International so we can get some more ideas out there.











Edit: Just saw Barnes's post. I'd be open to using something by a South American Party too if that's what people want.
21  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: The Social Liberals on: July 27, 2015, 11:08:58 am
For a party list, I think the party leader and deputy leader might automatically be No. 1 and No. 2 on it, but that isn't necessary. For the rest, we can probably do an election, or have the party leadership put out a list after discussion with the membership? I'd probably prefer the former for fairness's sake.

I think for a party list, we can either put the whole party on it in some form (with those less interested in being MPs at the bottom, etc.) or put a limit on the number of candidates we want to put.

22  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Petition to move and rename the Mock Parliament subsection on: July 27, 2015, 10:58:41 am
I don't really care about the spelling or anything like that, but is it possible to have it moved to its own section under fantasy elections? It's hard to get attention to it or have people regularly seeing it when it's only a subsection.
23  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: The Social Liberals on: July 27, 2015, 10:52:17 am
I think platform votes shouldn't last longer than a week at most. Considering this will (hopefully) be a more fast-paced game than Atlasia, I'd suggest we do a maximum of one week for the vote, but with the option to end it earlier if no debate occurs for 24 hours.

As for the parliamentary leadership, I think that we should let the whole membership vote on it, but to take out a sitting leader who doesn't intend to resign, you should need the support of 1/3 of the party's parliamentary members to force a spill.

Since there were no objections raised, I've tentatively put down myself as parliamentary leader and Vega as chairman. SJoyce or Blair, are you interested in running for deputy leader?

Again, debate on the platform and constitution is welcome/encouraged.
24  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Who would you vote for in these hypothetical UK vs US election on: July 27, 2015, 10:02:34 am
FDR vs Churchill
Truman vs Atlee
Eisenhower vs Churchill
Eisenhower vs  Eden
JFK vs Macmillan
LBJ vs Wilson
Nixon vs Heath
Carter vs Callaghan
Reagan vs Thatcher
Bush vs Major
Clinton vs Blair (the one from 1997-2001)
Bush vs Blair (the one after 2001)
Obama vs Cameron
25  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: Provisional Parliament: Voting on Bill 0-2 on: July 26, 2015, 11:37:44 am
Aye
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