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2226  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: homelycooking & Sons, Printers on: May 26, 2012, 11:56:27 am
Endorsed- Win with Winfield!
2227  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Whig Party - The new movement for Atlasia on: May 26, 2012, 09:06:06 am
Do you have confidence in the current Vice Chair (vacant)?

[  ] Yes
[X] No
2228  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: How many reported posts/moderated posts/infraction points do you have? on: May 26, 2012, 01:40:23 am
At my confirmation retreat, an actually legitimately cool youth pastor (In hindsight I realize he was very possibly a stoner, at the least he wasn't above underage drinking/providing minors with alcohol) gave a talk and at one point used an analogy of you walking through the streets, finding a very cool and expensive car with the doors unlocked and the keys remarkably inside, getting inside for just a joyride, then ending up crashing and wrecking it, and getting busted and thrown in jail. Then while sitting there thinking of what's up ahead someone unlocks the door and lets you out. It's the owner of the car. And he says that he's going to serve all of your sentence and cover all the damages. You don't have to do anything, you are free. And then explained that's what Jesus did for us.

I think the 0/0/0 people bring up a good example. Imagine you did a drunken trolling spree or whatever one night, and then woke up with almost 100 death points and on mod review. But then a poster who had never ever trolled, never said anything offensive and never accumulated a single death point announced that you had a clean slate and he has taken all your death points and consequences. That's what Jesus has done for you.
If THAT was the method by which I was Saved by Christ- I'd be Jewish...
2229  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of the Preceding Poster's Signature Thread VIII on: May 26, 2012, 01:03:39 am
Long live Jmfcst!
2230  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Campaign Contributions on: May 25, 2012, 09:37:20 pm
Will probably donate my usual $250 to the GOP nominee...
2231  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Anti-Conscription Amendment (Debating) on: May 25, 2012, 09:15:02 pm
I've been using the phrase "The constitution is not a suicide pact"... this comes from a 1963 Supreme Court decision involving the draft of all things... here is a piece from the majority opinion by Justice Goldberg...

"The Constitution is silent about the permissibility of involuntary forfeiture of citizenship rights. While it confirms citizenship rights, plainly there are imperative obligations of citizenship, performance of which Congress in the exercise of its powers may constitutionally exact. One of the most important of these is to serve the country in time of war and national emergency. The powers of Congress to require military service for the common defense are broad and far-reaching, for while the Constitution protects against invasions of individual rights, it is not a suicide pact. Similarly, Congress has broad power under the Necessary and Proper Clause to enact legislation for the regulation of foreign affairs. Latitude in this area is necessary to ensure effectuation of this indispensable function of government."
2232  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Hide Behind the Poll: at what age did you first kiss/get kissed by a girl/male.. on: May 25, 2012, 09:11:56 pm
I agree with the Professor even if he is joking... you all need to get off this board for a night and don't let your youth pass you by! Girl, boy, whoever- there is some one for every one...you need to make a move
2233  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Anti-Conscription Amendment (Debating) on: May 25, 2012, 09:07:55 pm
Compelling young Atlasians to work for the State, and to fight, kill, possibly die or become severely wounded in a war, is slavery.  There is no way of getting around this, from a moral perspective.  Continuing to even allow conscription to be an option enables the government to reach beyond its moral boundaries and jeopardizes the ability of one to own one's self by shaping how they live their lives.  To put it simply, if the government wages war to defend a free nation and uses conscription to do it, then there is no longer a free country to defend.

As wormyguy has said, this country is very capable of defending itself in the event of an attack- both in the homefront, and the domestic front.  If a foreign military dares to threaten this country, their plans will swiftly be put to a stop.
Scott- this is going to come across grumpy and condescending but know that isn't my intentention...
There is a difference between theory and reality. Theoretically the last statement in your first paragraph makes sense...but in reality the draft exists as an option to ensure the freedoms we have now will continue. Wormyguy says that in the event we needed a draft- citizens would rise up and if thy wouldn't- the nation deserves to be defeated. However- people are individualistic... if there is an existential threat to our nation, it is one to evry citizen as well and I don't see young men signing up in droves to bet placed on the front lines...do you?

The way you and wormyguy make it seem- it's as if we mandate military service or draft kids every other day. It hasn't happened for nearly four decades and all of us- even me, the biggest hawk here- agree it shouldnt be used except in extraordinary cases. Why don't we amend this to have the Senate authorize conscription by a 3/4 vote?


I posted above and see that you posted more in response to Joyce...

OK...as I mentioned in my response to wormyguy- neither our constitution or any speech by a Foudning Father is a suicide pact. But in case it sways you, here is what Jefferson said- "[a] strict observance of the written law is doubtless one of the high duties of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of necessity, of self-preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation. To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to the written law, would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the ends to the means." This regarded the Louisiana Purchase which he wasn't permitted to do and which would've been as Washington put it- an imperial Presidency. Bt he did it and we're glad he did! Look at what Lincoln pulled during the Civil War- he recognized that in exceptional cases- we must act for self-preservation

2234  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: Most attractive G20 leader, round 3 on: May 25, 2012, 06:01:39 pm
Singh
2235  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Anti-Conscription Amendment (Debating) on: May 25, 2012, 03:17:14 pm
Wormyguy- I find your statement very interesting and well-researched. I would agree if we lived in a more ideal world... if in this world our enemies (if we had them) saw our government as their enemy- I would agree. The reality is- many of our enemies see no difference between our govt and our people. Sure it is repeated often but must be repeated again here- there are those who will strap a bomb to themselves to kill our civilians...becaue they hate our nation and all Atlasians

Now- there is a response to this. You say that these people dont have the means to attack us in a manner which calls for the draft...I agree. However- we simply never know what could happen. The draft isn't to protect government- it's to protect the people. Has it been used improprely? That is up for debate- I happen to have served with men who were drafted who served as honorably as any one else

To protect our citizens from tyranny- it is necessary to have at our disposal all possible options. It's been said the constitution is not a suicide pact- neither is any speech by Patrick Henry, Thomas Jefferson, or any Founding Father. I don't say this because I don't value liberty- I say it because I value liberty and reality...to meet the challenges of today's world requires sacrifices. I've advocated a change in tactics to prioritize drones and airstrikes over ground forces...this would make conscription less necessary, but it must always be an option
2236  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Hide Behind the Poll: at what age did you first kiss/get kissed by a girl/male.. on: May 25, 2012, 02:58:12 pm
Was probably 6- Helen Foster was the girl's name...she later got into drugs and became involved with SDS

I am jealous of your life.
I'm about 5 years away from having to wear Depends every day...I'll trade with you
2237  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Hide Behind the Poll: at what age did you first kiss/get kissed by a girl/male.. on: May 25, 2012, 02:57:02 pm
Was probably 6- Helen Foster was the girl's name...she later got into drugs and became involved with SDS

what is SDS?  was that a Reagan space defence system project?
Students for a Democratic Society- organized many of the protests not only against the war but against the troops
2238  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: How many miles do you drive in an average year? on: May 25, 2012, 12:43:23 pm
About 10,000
2239  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: My gran died. Mixed emotions. on: May 25, 2012, 12:39:46 pm
My condolences... I can relate very much to this...I became estranged from a very dear member of my family in 1991 and saw him only at his mother's funeral since that time. I respect Torie's advice and I wish I could take that attitude- I never met my father and maybe because of that the thought of having family out there who I haven'tspoken to in years pains me every day...
2240  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Hide Behind the Poll: at what age did you first kiss/get kissed by a girl/male.. on: May 25, 2012, 12:32:53 pm
Was probably 6- Helen Foster was the girl's name...she later got into drugs and became involved with SDS
2241  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Let the (Student Council) 2012 Campaign begin! (Finished) on: May 24, 2012, 03:24:13 pm
I tell this to every young person I meet- the only way to have zero chance at success is not to try... you tried, you put in the effort, and you came close- I hope you are very proud of yourself and you will have many future victories that this will be forgotten.
2242  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Amendment to Discourage Small Type Use (Debating) on: May 24, 2012, 11:52:32 am
I agree with Ben's amendment and propose the following...

Resolution to Discourage Small Type Use

Findings-
Copying and pasting small type into the bar is far more difficult then highlighting white type- which achieves the same purpose

Resolution-
The AARP- Atlasian Association of ReallyOld Persons- humbly requests that users take into account our aged and tired eyes by not using small type
2243  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: How much have you paid for traffic offenses? on: May 24, 2012, 11:48:51 am
A few hundred... now if you include parking tickets....
2244  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Happy Birthday, Mecha! on: May 24, 2012, 09:41:23 am
2245  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Believe in Atlasia -- Vote 20RP12/Windis -- 5/24/12 - Albuquerque, NM on: May 24, 2012, 09:34:23 am

It's a pony...
2246  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Amendment to Discourage Small Type Use (Debating) on: May 24, 2012, 09:30:34 am
I deem Ben's amendment friendly... that sounds good to me

NC Yankee- the "nipple rings" section is in jest...how about if I amend to a resolution kindly asking folks not to use below 5 point type?
2247  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: Most attractive G20 leader on: May 23, 2012, 03:38:41 pm
Eliminate- Zuma and Abdullah
Immunity-
2248  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Amendment to Discourage Small Type Use (Debating) on: May 23, 2012, 03:37:12 pm
White type is far better then small type... small type is a pain in the ass. It also rarely hides funny remarks... two examples above show that :-PP

Except when it's white type at the end of a sentence, when unless the sentence is obviously cut off, it's really not that effective, since people may not even notice it's there, unlike small time, which is evident due to there actually being something. White type may be easier to read, but small type is easier to notice. See my point about the end of sentences?
Gray then...
2249  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Whig Party - The new movement for Atlasia on: May 23, 2012, 02:45:26 pm
ONLY a suit jacket and tie? That sounds too informal to me...
2250  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Happy Anniversay Young Tweed on: May 23, 2012, 02:19:54 pm
The man...the legend!
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