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1  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: The Fall of the American Empire (2016-) on: November 12, 2014, 07:02:04 pm
In a tie, the House votes by state  not with Electoral Votes.
Your map shows a 25-25 ties, not a 224-208 result.

Noted, though it actually a 41-9 landlside. Read into the NPVA proposed after the disputed 2000 us election to understand y certain states would b obliged to vote for  Christie, the pop vote winner.
2  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: The Fall of the American Empire (2016-) on: October 28, 2014, 10:12:21 pm
Your colors on wrong.

These are the colors of today though.
3  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: The Fall of the American Empire (2016-) on: October 23, 2014, 05:32:39 pm
20/01/2017

"Now, I would like to give thanks to President Obama, for his service to our country and his defense of our interests at home and abroad, regardless of partisanship. Let us continue to bridge the divide between Democrat and Republican and work together in the coming four years. For the great debt we owe is not merely a monetary one but one we owe to the American people to serve them faithfully. God bless you and God bless the United States of America"

-President Christopher J Christie

The newly appointed President must contend with a House, Senate and even Vice President of the opposite political stripe as well as a national debt of 18 trillion dollars and counting...

An increasingly economically dominant India will conduct it's first manned space flight, fuelling what will be dubbed a Space Pace, due to US indecision to commit to new NASA missions. Hong Kong's first government elected by universal suffrage will demand separation from the mainland, straining Sino-American relations further. Tensions with Mexico over the previous administration's admission of residency to thousands of Mexican refugees fleeing the devastation left by Hurricane Abigail, will lead to renewed calls for a proposed wall along the border by the Tea Party Caucus. The deployment of Anti-Ballistic Missiles, said to protect the US from North Korean attacks, along the Pacific coast will lead to mass protests by the Occupy Movement and other modern liberal West Coast organizations.

At home, as part of the central aim of his administration to halt the rising national debt Christie will approve bills raising the federal income tax for high-income earners and implement the full privatization of social security, and defunding of Medicaid as part of a series of Grand Bargains to close the deficit. Demands for transparency in government will be raised by groups representing the entire political spectrum after the JFK assassination files are released to the public, proving an assassination conspiracy between the Mafia purportedly in response to Bobby Kennedy's crackdown on organized crime.
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: The Fall of the American Empire (2016-) on: October 23, 2014, 04:30:23 pm
2016 US PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES VOTE




461 - 77

State Voter ID Laws as well as the passage of the National Popular Vote Compact were attributed to Christie's narrow clinching of the popular vote from Democrat O' Malley and subsequent landslide election in the House of Representatives while O' Malley's running mate Senator Kirsten Gillibrand is easily confirmed as Vice President in the Senate, making history as the first female to hold the office.
5  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / The Fall of the American Empire (2016-) on: October 23, 2014, 04:28:52 pm
2016 UNITED STATES PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION


269 - 269

Governor Christopher J Christie (NJ) / Governor Susana Martinez (NM)
45.0123% PV 269 EV
Governor Martin O' Malley (MD) / Senator Kirsten Gillibrand (NY)
45.0122% PV 269 EV
Senator Rand Paul (KY) / Fmr Senator Russ Feingold (WI)
8.4% PV 0 EV

For the first time in American history, a Presidential election would result in a deadlocked tie. Not since 1824 had one been decided indirectly in the House of Representatives. A handful of votes would disallow Maryland Governor Martin O' Malley the office while only a handful more in Ohio would hold it from New Jersey Governor Chris Christie.

US SENATE RESULTS



53 - 44 - 2 - 1

In yet another historic turn of events, a sitting Senate majority Leader is ousted from power while his party regain dominance of the upper legislative body. Harry Reid will lose the election to Governor Brian Sandoval by a margin of one percent. Gabrielle Giffords will be elected to succeed John McCain in Arizona, becoming the first cognitively-impaired person to take a seat in the Senate. The Libertarian Party will achieve a breakthrough, winning Lisa Murkowski's Senate seat in Alaska and Rand Paul will change his party affiliation to Libertarian, becoming the Party's leader in the upper legislative body.

US HOUSE RESULTS



224 - 208

 After a dramatic primary season which saw favourite Hillary Clinton bowled out early on thanks to heavy 'Stop Hillary' internet-based SuperPac campaigning and a decidedly undramatic 'No' from former Florida Governor Jeb Bush, the field was blown wide open for competitive races in both parties. The long wait for safe second-termer O' Malley allowed for him to get a head start on fundraising and more focus to raise a national profile than incumbents such as Tim Kaine, Maggie Hassan and Andrew Cuomo. His steady lead throughout would attract negative GOP ads attacking him as a friend of 'illegal aliens' and soft on crime for his opposition to and abolition of the death penalty in Maryland. On the Republican side, a highly competitive four-way race between Christie, Senator Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire, Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky and former Vice-Presidential candidate and Congressman Paul Ryan of Wisconsin would culminate in a comfortable victory for the relatively moderate Christie against two hardened neo-conservatives and someone of a libertarian. Paul would in the end refuse to endorse the nominee and split to run on a third-party Libertarian Party-endorsed ticket with former Wisconsin Senator Russ Feingold.

 At the GOP convention in Cleveland, New Mexico Governor Susana Martinez would be nominated for VP easily despite her career's similarities to Christie's and Hispanic heritage. She would prove a fiery maternal presence on the campaign trail. In Colombus, the Democrats would nominate New York Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, some thought for her similarities to Clinton and moneyed family. Ohio was the battleground state in most contention form the offset of the fall campaign.

 With the Afghanistan War over, the election was mainly fought on the grounds of the ever-ballooning national debt, trade issues with the Eurasian Union and mass immigration from Mexico following the devastation along the Gulf of Mexico wrought by Hurricane Abigail the year prior.

 President Obama's expansion of the War on Drugs into Afghanistan, his privatization of Social Security, provision of citizenship to Mexican refugees following Hurricane Abigail and raising of taxes on upper incomes would incense all voters across the spectrum and erode his popularity with much of America. His and Vice President Biden's presence would be kept to a minimum due to this.

 O' Malley would rally against Christie's unfair treatment of New Jersey teachers. Touring Newark streets with former Mayor Corey Booker to survey economic decline attributed to Christie's state policies would deal a devastating blow to the Republican ticket. The Toll Plaza scandal which occurred two years previously would linger on the political airwaves even as the investigations ostensibly cleared Christie's name in 2014. The firebrand maverick would light up the stage in the three Presidential debates against the squeaky-clean but relatively uncharismatic O' Malley. Many pundits opine that it was Christie's obnoxious commoner spiel which many Americans identified with, thusly giving him the popular vote...

6  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: A Future of the Post-Imperial United States of America (2014-) on: October 19, 2014, 07:09:46 am
As US intervention in the Mexican Civil War escalates, Mexican-Americans will riot in the streets of Los Angeles and other major Southwestern cities. This is due to the perceived suppression of democracy in their homeland by their adopted nation's government. De facto President Pacheco will attemot to convene with leaders of insurrectionary forces but this will deteriorate. US Intelligence uncovers covert Chinese logistical support for the insurrectos. A new Cold War hs seemingly emerged...
7  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: A Future of the Post-Imperial United States of America (2014-) on: October 18, 2014, 01:35:57 pm
"It was in the stars. Nothing lasts forever."

"So this is how my Wikipedia entry'll go down: most remembered for handing the title of #1 to the Chinese. .
Now American kids grow up to see the world through slanted eyes."

"They'll blame the black guy. They always do. His legacy was securely sh**ttered by the time you were sworn in."

"Will the yellow man blame the black man though? What will hey prefer to write in their history books, huh?"

"History books? It's all online now. You're forgetting we still own the internet."

"For how long though?"

The 2020 Presidential Primaries heat up with contenders Bobby Jindal, Marco Rubio and Prescott Bush vying for the Republican nomination. On the Democratic side, Tammy Baldwin, Julian Castro, Maria Cantwell and late-starter Tammy Duckworth. Rand Paul will runa gain as the Libertarian nominee. President Christie will watch his world slip by.
8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / If the Libertarians were to become a viable third party... on: July 17, 2014, 05:41:29 am
Which would there 'solid states'? What would an outright victory (most likely) look like? Who would be their most viable candidate in a Presidential? Which states would they hurt Dems and Reps most in? Discuss with maps of 2016 and onwards

here's my idea of an outright victory



Rand Paul 270 EV - Elizabeth Warren 220 EV - Bobby Jindal 48 EV
9  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: A Future of the Post-Imperial United States of America (2014-) on: July 01, 2014, 08:44:49 am
With the withdrawal of US troops, the aftermath of the War in Pakistan will spill over into India, triggering a war in which India will invade North-West Pakistan after several Islamic terrorist atacks spill over into the mostly Hindu nation's territory. The US and China will call for an immediate ceasefire on both sides while Russia will side mostly with the Indian government.
 
A Civil War will coincide in Afghanistan where newly reelected President Putin will send troops.
 UN peacekeepers will be deployed to support the current government.
 
US military presence will continue to shrink abroad and the Republican Party will refute President Christie, who confirms his intention not to seek another term in office.
10  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: A Future of the Post-Imperial United States of America (2014-) on: June 15, 2014, 12:35:56 pm
The 2018 FIFA World Cup will prove diplomatically challenging, as the arbitrary arrests of several German players prior to a crucial match and the turning off of stadium lights during a Russia-Japan match will raise suspicions of a KGB conspiracy and an investigation by FIFA officials. The Russian law relating to sexuality will once again come under fire as it did in the 2014 Winter Olympics, and President Christie will call for the rescinding of President Putin's right to travel to the USA.

In Mexico, the Presidential election will result in a close first-time victory for the leftist PRD alliance. President-elect Jesus Zambrano, who ran on a campaign of ending the Drug War unilaterally, will be killed in a car-bombing before taking office. President Enrique Pena Nieto will call into session the Congress to arrange a new Presidential election and rewrite the Constitution to allow for an extension of his term. Riots will engulf the country and the election of PRI candidate Ivonne Ortega Pacheco will do little to assuage the violence.

The US will begin to spend annually more on debt servicing than anything else and the Libertarian Party will emerge as a powerful third-party force in the midterm elections.



49 - 45 - 4 - 2

Rand Paul will lead the Libertarians in the Senate and Bernie Sanders will break ties with Democrats.

11  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: A Future of the Post-Imperial United States of America (2014-) on: June 15, 2014, 09:35:21 am
What countries are a part of the Eurasian Union? 

Russia and the old Soviet bloc countries, in a looser associational sense, India and China too. Although India is closer to China.
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: A Future of the Post-Imperial United States of America (2014-) on: June 13, 2014, 08:38:16 am
20/01/2017

"Now, I would like to give thanks to President Obama, for his service to our country and his defense of our interests at home and abroad, regardless of partisanship. Let us continue to bridge the divide between Democrat and Republican and work together in the coming four years..."

-President Christopher J Christie

The newly appointed President must contend with a House, Senate and even Vice President of the opposite political stripe.

It will prove to be a tough year, as an increasingly powerful India continues to drift further into the spectrum of Sino-Russian influence via the two-year-old Eurasian Union, with the War on Terror over. Tensions with Mexico over the Obama administration's admission of citizenship to hundreds of thousands of Mexican refugees, will lead to a proposed wall along the border by the Tea Party Caucus. The deployment of Anti-Ballistic Missiles, said to protect the US from North Korean attacks, along the Pacific coast will lead to mass protests by the Occupy Movement and others.

At home, Christie will say yes to across-the-board tax hikes,  as well as begin ending the War on Drugs by defunding wheat subsidies in Afghanistan. Demands for transparency in government will be raised after the JFK assassination files are released to the public, proving an assassination conspiracy between the Mafia an other organizations.
13  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / A Future of the Post-Imperial United States of America (2014-) on: June 09, 2014, 07:51:51 am
2016 UNITED STATES PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION


269 - 269

Governor Christopher J Christie (NJ) / Governor Susana Martinez (NM)
45.0123% PV 269 EV
Governor Martin O' Malley (MD) / Senator Kirsten Gillibrand (NY)
45.0122% PV 269 EV
Senator Rand Paul (KY) / Fmr Senator Russ Feingold (WI)
8.4% PV 0 EV

For the first time in American history, a Presidential election would result in a deadlocked tie. Not since 1824 had one been decided indirectly in the House of Representatives. A handful of votes would disallow Maryland Governor Martin O' Malley the office while only a handful more in Ohio would hold it from New Jersey Governor Chris Christie.

 After a dramatic primary season which saw favourite Hillary Clinton bowled out early on thanks to heavy 'Stop Hillary' internet-based SuperPac campaigning and a decidedly undramatic 'No' from former Florida Governor Jeb Bush, the field was blown wide open for competitive races in both parties. The long wait for safe second-termer O' Malley allowed for him to get a head start on fundraising and more focus to raise a national profile than incumbents such as Tim Kaine, Maggie Hassan and Andrew Cuomo. His steady lead throughout would attract negative GOP ads attacking him as a friend of 'illegal aliens' and soft on crime for his opposition to and abolition of the death penalty in Maryland. On the Republican side, a highly competitive four-way race between Christie, Senator Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire, Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky and former Vice-Presidential candidate and Congressman Paul Ryan of Wisconsin would culminate in a comfortable victory for the relatively moderate Christie against two hardened neo-conservatives and someone of a libertarian. Paul would in the end refuse to endorse the nominee and split to run on a third-party Libertarian Party-endorsed ticket with former Wisconsin Senator Russ Feingold.

 At the GOP convention in Cleveland, New Mexico Governor Susana Martinez would be nominated for VP easily despite her career's similarities to Christie's and Hispanic heritage. She would prove a fiery maternal presence on the campaign trail. In Colombus, the Democrats would nominate New York Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, some thought for her similarities to Clinton and moneyed family. Ohio was the battleground state in most contention form the offset of the fall campaign.

 With the Afghanistan War over, the election was mainly fought on the grounds of the ever-ballooning national debt, trade issues with the Eurasian Union and mass immigration from Mexico following the devastation along the Gulf of Mexico wrought by Hurricane Abigail the year prior.

 President Obama's expansion of the War on Drugs into Afghanistan, his privatization of Social Security, provision of citizenship to Mexican refugees following Hurricane Abigail and raising of taxes on upper incomes would incense all voters across the spectrum and erode his popularity with much of America. His and Vice President Biden's presence would be kept to a minimum due to this.

 O' Malley would rally against Christie's unfair treatment of New Jersey teachers. Touring Newark streets with former Mayor Corey Booker to survey economic decline attributed to Christie's statewide policies would deal a devastating blow to the Republican ticket. The Toll Plaza scandal which occurred two years previously would linger on the political airwaves even as the investigations cleared Christie's name in 2014. The firebrand maverick would light up the stage in the three Presidential debates against the squeaky-clean but relatively uncharismatic O' Malley. Many believe the persistently pissed-off Governor's demeanour was something many voters related their obnoxious sides to.

2016 US PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES VOTE



461 - 77

State Voter ID Laws as well as the passage of the National Popular Vote Compact were attributed to Christie's narrow clinching of the popular vote from O' Malley and subsequent landslide election in the House of Representatives while O' Malley's running mate Senator Kirsten Gillibrand is easily confirmed as Vice President in the Senate, making history as the first female to hold the office.

14  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: What happens if Lieberman becomes president in September 2001? on: March 15, 2013, 08:54:25 am
The wars are paid for with massive tax increases. Balanced budgets, more bombs and a few extralegal assassinations of Muslim leaders. 



Re-elected on a bipartisan ticket with McCain against divided anti-war opposition from Dems, Libs and Reps.
15  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: When and why did US politicians drop 'working class' from their vocabulary? on: March 08, 2013, 04:29:32 am
With poll numbers like that who would you appeal to in your speeches?  Even claiming to want to help the poor is dumb because a huge chunk of them don't consider themselves poor.  Americans delude themselves.  Politicians take advantage of the delusions and perpetuate them.  And we continue down the spiral.

Couldn't have put it more succinctly. It's like the way Americans give themselves high-fallutin' job titles like Underwater Ceramic Utilities Sanitiser when they mean dishwasher. Many of them in humour, but yes, it is a uniquely American pretense, this calling oneself middle class when you've got a home maybe health insurance and little else. And the politicians have to use that to win.
 Meanwhile, in Britain the 'working class' label is worn with pride. My mother will scold me for referring to myself as middle class since I was raised for the first six months of my life in a flat in Wallsend and she grew up sharing a bed with her siblings and one TV in the 70s. People will shirk the middle class label if anything.
16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: Will Barack Obama be remembered as the Democrats' Nixon? on: March 07, 2013, 07:09:35 am
After that it gets trickier due to a lack of candidates by this stage. Does the 2040-2048 president become Chelsea Clinton? Tongue

Malia Obama. She was born on the 4th of July. Nuff said.
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: 2016: 269-269 Electoral College on: March 07, 2013, 06:19:50 am
Clinton-Warner > Bush-Walker


Oklahoma sends it to the House which picks Hilldog for Prez; the Senate, Walker for VP.
And so Oboner austerity continues for another 4 years.
18  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / When and why did US politicians drop 'working class' from their vocabulary? on: March 07, 2013, 06:12:15 am
I notice in the US pols both Democrat and Republican use the term 'middle class' constantly but no mention of 'working class' families. Why is this exacly and when did it start (at the Presidential level mainly)? I have my own ideas why but I thought this would make for an interesting discussion.
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: 2016: 269-269 Electoral College on: March 07, 2013, 05:27:45 am
The closest state on each map?
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: 2016: 269-269 Electoral College on: March 06, 2013, 06:08:52 am


This is the right answer.

The next most plausible scenario, I think, involves any of a number of combinations in concert with the Republican's EV vote-rigging scheme going through in PA and/or MI, where it appears to still be an active possibility.

What ticket do you think would be required to turn off the Midwest as in this map?

I agree with you though, it is the most plausible.
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: 2016: 269-269 Electoral College on: March 05, 2013, 10:19:26 am
Here's mine:



Christie-Walker > Warren-Kaine

Blue dogs in the house swing the election to Christie while a 50-50 split Senate pick Kaine to be Veep.
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: First Gen X President? First Millennial President? on: March 03, 2013, 07:47:24 pm
2020 for Gen X President Ladda T Duckworth!
23  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: 2016: 269-269 Electoral College on: March 03, 2013, 07:34:44 pm


This is pretty much the only plausible 269-269 map.  And it's sort of difficult to achieve.  Not sure how the GOP could win Iowa but not Ohio yet alone take Nevada barring some massive outreach to Hispanics.

What are the tickets though? Rubio-Thune and O'Malley-Warren?
24  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / 2016: 269-269 Electoral College on: March 02, 2013, 04:46:19 pm
What do you see as being the most likely 269-269 tie in the next Presidential election, and between whom? And which party will be controlling Congress at that point?

Discuss with maps and party tickets.
25  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: 1984: The Election following nuclear war on: February 18, 2013, 09:12:36 am
As bad as I made it, realistically, it'd be a lot worse. For example, I show...what...like... 100 Soviet missile strikes on targets. Realistically, the Soviets had atleast double what the United States had in 1983 and I know that we had atleast 1000 ICBMs in our Minuteman silos in the Midwest.

Blatant falsehood. Kennedy got elected in 1960 saying the same thing. When he attained the office, he was shocked to see how greatly the Defence Department reached and we all know what happened when he put the CIA under State Department control. The missile gap between the USA and USSR was wide but favoured the former not the latter. What you are propagating is a myth spawned by Neoconservatives Imperialists.
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