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1  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Don Jr. "miserable," wants Trump presidency to end on: July 19, 2017, 09:34:37 pm
LOL.
He is especially going to hate life, when he is sitting in jail.
Why do you have to be so mean to him? He was trying to help his father.

Help his father do what? Ruin America?
2  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: John McCain has been diagnosed with brain cancer on: July 19, 2017, 09:33:17 pm
I heard about this today on the radio, but I didn't realize his tumor was this bad. Terrible news.

And the tragic irony here is that his mother (who's around 105, if I recall correctly) is very likely to see her son die, which is always one of the worst things a mother can experience.

Don't most people expect to experience the death of their parents/in-laws? And statistically most women do outlive their husbands.

But, yes, outliving one of your children is very unusual and uniquely traumatic. It wouldn't surprise me if she does not pass away relatively soon after he does.
3  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trumpcare Megathread: McConnell wants full repeal vote, repeal/replace is over on: July 17, 2017, 11:02:18 pm
It kind of makes you wonder why Mitch McConnell even wants to be majority leader in the first place.

He was supposed to be an institutionalist, but he has been desecrating Senate norms left and right.

He's an insider's insider, and yet it's abundantly clear that he's despised by the members of the elite club that he now leads.

He represents one of the poorest states in the country, and repeatedly tries to pass legislation that almost goes out of its way to do harm to his own constituents.

What is it all for? What does he want from all of this?
4  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Can we just admit the GOP is 100% vaporware now? on: July 17, 2017, 10:40:38 pm
Seven years of talking about their "better ideas" for healthcare. Absolutely nothing to show for it.

No infrastructure. No tax reform. No border wall.

Just cannibalistic House and Senate caucuses and the most disengaged president since Calvin Coolidge.
5  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trumpcare Megathread: BCRA vote delayed, CBO score date unknown on: July 17, 2017, 09:13:32 pm
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Abby D. Phillip @abbydphillip

WH aides tonight signaling that they plan to press fwd on health care. Not taking Moran/Lee pulling out as the end of the healthcare effort.

Win at all cost.

I don't understand what that even means. Trump has made zero effort to sell this bill to the public.

Why isn't he holding events telling people how great it's going to be? Why isn't he doing something reasonably approximating effort to make the bill less terrible?

He's like a fat middle aged man yelling at the TV while watching a football game as professional athletes execute plays he has no ability to do himself.
6  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Minneapolis Police Shoot Unarmed Woman In Pajamas — With Bodycams Off on: July 17, 2017, 08:49:05 pm
Maybe now that our genocidal cops are killing blonde white ladies, people will actually do something about it.
7  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trumpcare Megathread: BCRA vote delayed, CBO score date unknown on: July 17, 2017, 08:46:57 pm
Moran does not surprise me. He had been hearing from rural Kansas and I mentioned a couple of pages back he was a potential vote to look at it. Lee surprises me though.

Moran, from what I know of his concerns, is a hard no if he came out. It's not that the bill is too liberal or whatever. He is more worried about Kansas hospitals.

TrumpCare is probably dead if they stick to their guns.

It's actually kind of admirable of Moran to be so concerned for his constituents.

Sam Brownback proved there is no electoral price to be paid in Kansas for running your state into the ground.
8  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: WV SEN 2018: Morrisey in on: July 16, 2017, 08:56:20 pm
Slightly OT, but it's hard for me to understand why someone would move to West Virginia (as Morrisey did).
9  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Is McCaskill a Moderate or a Liberal? on: July 16, 2017, 08:53:50 pm
I don't see any contradiction between being liberal and wanting government programs to be well-managed.
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: UPDATE: CBO report on Senate bill: 22 million more uninsured by 2026 on: July 16, 2017, 08:31:52 pm
They were elected on a promise to repeal and replace ObamaCare.

I thought a lot of GOP Senators ran on just repealing it - such as those from 2012 and 2014. Didn't repeal and replace come later?

If you go by what they said for years prior to 2017, it was mostly just repealing ObamaCare. It was quite foolish to think that alone would fly, but politicians rarely favor practical long-term solutions when it is not convenient.

Maybe for some congressional people, but both Romney and Trump had the "replace".

Donald Trump explicitly stated "We're going to take care of everybody" and promised no Medicare or Medicaid cuts.

So, no, there is no overwhelming mandate to repeal and replace the ACA.

Trump also stated "We're going to repeal Obamacare and replace it something so much better."

This isn't better!
11  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Should the French Monarchy be Restored? on: July 16, 2017, 05:29:53 pm
It would likely be as mediocre and embarrassing as the Spanish Bourbon monarchy currently is, so no.
12  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: NC 2016 Gubernatorial Discussion Thread on: July 16, 2017, 04:58:04 pm
McCrory's decision to govern as a right-wing ideologue as governor always bewildered me.
13  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Will Bill Walker win Reelection? on: July 16, 2017, 04:54:30 pm
Walker had to make some very tough, unpopular but necessary choices on spending and on the future of the Alaska Permanent Fund.

So he will probably be rewarded with getting voted out of office in favor of a Republican who promises lower taxes and more spending without any explanation of how that will work other than random rants about "waste and fraud" and "bureaucracy."
14  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Oklahoma Governor 2018 Smorgasbord on: July 16, 2017, 04:45:59 pm
Edmondson is the most likely Dem by far to win. He is a proven candidate who can, and hopefully will, win.

61.2%
60.1%
52.2%
1994, 2002 and 2006, from bottom to top, he ran unnopposed in 1998.

Have those three panhandle counties ever voted Democratic?
15  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: TX-SEN: O'Rourke running on: July 16, 2017, 04:42:29 pm
In 2014, John Cornyn only got 59% of the vote in his primary, where the other candidates were Steve Stockman and a bunch of randos.

It is not outside the realm of possibility that Cruz could get forced into a runoff in his primary next year. He'd still win it, but he'd have to spend more time and more money doing so.

And if there isn't a "clean repeal" of the ACA, I could see some Tea Party dead-ender running as an independent and saying that Cruz broke his promise, maybe getting 3-5% of the GE vote.
16  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: UPDATE: CBO report on Senate bill: 22 million more uninsured by 2026 on: July 16, 2017, 04:33:26 pm
They were elected on a promise to repeal and replace ObamaCare.

I thought a lot of GOP Senators ran on just repealing it - such as those from 2012 and 2014. Didn't repeal and replace come later?

If you go by what they said for years prior to 2017, it was mostly just repealing ObamaCare. It was quite foolish to think that alone would fly, but politicians rarely favor practical long-term solutions when it is not convenient.

Maybe for some congressional people, but both Romney and Trump had the "replace".

Donald Trump explicitly stated "We're going to take care of everybody" and promised no Medicare or Medicaid cuts.

So, no, there is no overwhelming mandate to repeal and replace the ACA.
17  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: UPDATE: CBO report on Senate bill: 22 million more uninsured by 2026 on: July 16, 2017, 12:13:12 am
Is anyone else noticing the irony of how many of the delays in repealing the ACA are being caused by Republican members of congress requiring medical care?
18  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trudeau tells US governors to ditch America first on: July 16, 2017, 12:11:51 am
To give an example of how this bothers me, Texas recently enacted an "America First" policy for transportation spending that would require steel used in roads and bridges to be American-made.

Texas does not have a steel industry. So the end result of this will be a transfer of wealth from people in Texas, who are going to be spending more on steel than otherwise, to people in Pennsylvania and Ohio and places where steel is produced.
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Haley: Trump told Putin 'we know you did it, and cut it out' on: July 10, 2017, 06:58:09 pm
Just like when Nixon met Mao.
20  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Giant Ziplock Baggies Full of Lambs Are Going to Change Everything on: July 09, 2017, 12:58:52 am
As an anti-Luddite, I can't wait to see pictures of my first great grand child in a Zip Lock brand medical sack.

Even if they are decanted as a group of Deltas after the Bokanovsky Process has been done?
I had to look up a couple of things in that line and I still don't know what you mean....I don't think.  It's the "group of Deltas" part I think.  Is a "Delta" like a 4th class citizen?  Like Alphas run the roost, Betas assist them, Cucks are mocked and Deltas clean the toilets?

In the book, children are deliberately augmented or handicapped at birth to have a certain level of physical and mental capability that determines their "rank" in society. Alphas being the elites, then Betas, etc.
21  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Coal CEO admits that ‘clean coal’ is a myth on: July 07, 2017, 09:58:58 pm
And the Pope is Catholic. Of course clean coal is a myth. At this point given climate change we need to deal with the issue and find market friendly ways to transition our economy over.

Convince your party of that, then.
22  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Rick Perry: "You put the supply out there and the demand will follow" on: July 07, 2017, 09:00:52 pm
Hence why everyone in the Soviet Union owns multiple sewing machines and why 1987 was the year they really turned their economy around. Smiley

Secretary Perry will soon be announcing higher coal quotas for President Trump's 2018-2023 Five Year Plan.

Any miner who exceeds his per capita quota will be awarded the Andrew Jackson Star of Freedom, given a bonus equivalent to a year's wages, and given preferential entry for his children to study mining and metallurgical engineering at the state university of their choice.
23  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: LA Gov 2019- Will Bel Edwards win a second term on: July 07, 2017, 07:55:24 pm
I think he will. He's quite popular among Cajun voters, who tend to be swing voters downballot. The LA GOP is also not the most competant of state parties. LA is the only deep south state that doesn't have an R supermajority in the legislature.

It's also one of the least ideologically rigid Republican Parties in the country.
24  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Fmr. Gov. Beshear vs. Mitch McConnell on: July 07, 2017, 01:58:43 pm
Remember when people thought ALG could beat McConnell in 2014? Those were the times.

2014 was the wrong year and she ran a worse campaign than anyone expected.  It's always easy to play Monday morning quarterback, but Democrats were right to try to seriously contest that seat.  If McConnell were up in 2018 instead of 2020, I'd say it might be worth trying to run a strong wave insurance candidate.  Hopefully Andy Beshear runs for Governor against Bevin in 2019 and the DCCC is able to recruit James Gray to run in 2018 in KY-6 (I think Gray could defeat Barr in a Democratic or even neutral year with a strong campaign; Beshear would have a narrower path to victory, but IIRC Bevin's not terribly popular).

If Democrats want to win a Senate seat in Kentucky, here's what they do:

(1) Some Silicon Valley billionaire buys a coal mine in Eastern Kentucky.

(2) They hire a CEO who is photogenic and likable and has an impeccable record.

(3) They operate the mine at a loss by hiring way more people than needed. But the mine is privately held so its actual profitability is not publicly available. Meanwhile, they also go above and beyond EPA standards and go out of their way to minimize pollution.

(4) The CEO, who is now a "job creator", runs for Senate as a Democrat. Cue lots of commercials of him at the mine in a hard hat, lots of workers going in and out of mines, compelling interviews with women saying they bought a new house with the earnings from her husband's great mining job, etc.
25  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Tribal Chief Trump on: July 07, 2017, 01:51:41 pm
It must be difficult for Trump to reconcile his fantasy of saving the west with his love for Putin.

How clueless can #45 be? Does he even realize how anti-Western Putin is, or does he just think the west = white christians?
Russia is the Third Rome and has defended Western civilization for centuries. It is fulfilling its destiny once more under President Putin.

lol ok then
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