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1  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: How Americans Feel About Religious Groups: The Jews Rated the Highest on: July 23, 2014, 07:39:56 pm
Judaism does not proselytize. It is no obvious threat to the religious beliefs of anyone else.
Hinduism and Buddhism do not proselytize either, so I don't think that is why the Jews are the highest rated religious group. I think it's because of the pro-Israel views of most Americans.

I love that Evangelical Protestants apparently love Jewish people leaps and bounds more than Jews like Evangelical Protestants. That looks to be the most lopsided pairing in that table.
2  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Who will win in Georgia? on: July 23, 2014, 01:23:36 pm
Nunn would have had a better chance against Kingston. In that scenario, she is the outsider philanthropist running against a longtime congressman in the least productive congress in decades and in an obstructionist, radicalized GOP caucus that has alienated independent voters.

But Perdue is an outsider too. And he has money and the means to raise a lot more.

Her best opening would be if Perdue made a Romney-esque gaffe. She should go after his business record and look for skeletons.
3  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: When will we see effort to address unaffordable dental care? on: July 23, 2014, 11:44:16 am
I've never understood why dental and vision care are separated from the rest of health care. Does the rest of the world treat them as exceptions? And at what point will my health insurance treat something like an infected tooth?

There's no such thing as a dental "emergency." Tooth problems happen slowly over months and years. There's no dental equivalent to a heart attack or cancer.

It's pretty much all preventive care - regular cleanings and x-rays. That would be like expecting your car insurance to pay for your oil change. You know you have to do it.
4  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Present Israel-Palestine Conflict Thread on: July 23, 2014, 10:58:30 am
The former director of the American Jewish Congress has offered his take in Politico, though I doubt Ray Goldfield, dead0man and others will like what he has to say.
I don't like or dislike what he has to say.  He made his complaints and critiques without the subtle (or not so subtle) racism we see way too often from others on the subject.  I can understand being against the invasion (I'm not FOR the invasion, but I understand the reasons why).  I can understand thinking it's fine to just hide under the now effective Iron Dome and let the world watch while the angry impotent dogs fire their weapons of terror at civilians by the thousands while doing limited physical damage.  I don't agree with it and think targeting of the launchers is a valid response, but it's a valid argument.

Sorry I'm not as foaming with hate as so many here on the other side.

"Angry impotent dogs" - yeah, no foam in your mouth.

Just curious, dead0man, why are you so invested in this?

If you don't like Islamist terror groups killing and victimizing non-Muslims, you ought to turn your attention to Boko Haram and other such groups, which have killed and kidnapped far more people in Nigeria and sub-Saharan Africa than Hamas has done in Israel.

You seem to be more bothered by injury and death when it is brought on Jews of white European ancestry than you are when it's visited on black Africans. Guess their lives just aren't worth as much - and you're definitely operating from the Yisrael Beiteinu play book with that very racist logic.
5  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Present Israel-Palestine Conflict Thread on: July 23, 2014, 10:43:44 am
Which is weird because they do more THAN ANY NATION IN HISTORY at limiting civilian casualties.  What other nation calls the building before bombing it to warn the people inside?  What other nation drops a small bomb first after the phone call to show they are serious?  Yes, mistakes have been and will be made.  It's especially hard to limit casualties when the local bad guys force civilians to stay in certain places at gun point.  It's especially hard when the bad guys use their hospitals, schools, ambulances and UN facilities (all 4 of those are documented have happened in the last week) to hide or launch their terror weapons.


The IDF cares and SHOWS they care more about civilians in Gaza than the people in charge of Gaza.  I don't understand how any thinking person can come up with any other conclusion.

Israel also uses a very weird definition of civilian that the rest of the world doesn't.

A sizable contingent of Israelis consider anyone living in Gaza to be fair game because Hamas won an election once several years ago.

There's also their practice of mafia-style collective punishment and vendettas. Your second-cousin-once-removed is a suspected Hamas member? Your house just got bulldozed. Sorry.
6  General Politics / Individual Politics / Should the Selective Service System be abolished? on: July 23, 2014, 12:33:51 am
Selective Service System
7  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: July 22, 2014, 10:20:47 pm
Bushie's next job: working in a chocolate factory with an out-of-control conveyor belt.
8  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Present Israel-Palestine Conflict Thread on: July 22, 2014, 10:15:20 pm
The former director of the American Jewish Congress has offered his take in Politico, though I doubt Ray Goldfield, dead0man and others will like what he has to say.
9  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: July 22, 2014, 09:42:03 pm
My employer earned big points with me today by paying me exactly what they promised me.  That's not a light thing in my book.  It should be a no-brainer,  but with my job history is actually a remarkable feat.  I'm still going to look for another job, but this makes me want to work as hard as I can for the time I'm there.

They earned big points for not violating labor laws?
10  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: What party are you a registered member of? on: July 22, 2014, 09:11:54 pm
None (Texan)
11  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Should the US drop Israel? on: July 22, 2014, 09:05:42 pm
Oy gevalt, indeed!
12  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Who will win the GOP runoff in Georgia? on: July 22, 2014, 08:50:12 pm
Kingston is running the table in his home district/region, just like in the first round.
13  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Oklahoma man arrested for "loving on kids" in Kenya on: July 22, 2014, 08:42:07 pm
His defense...

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Durham’s lawyer denies the claims and said “pseudo-tribal psychological voodoo [was] practiced on [Durham]"
14  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Present Israel-Palestine Conflict Thread on: July 22, 2014, 08:32:25 pm
Nanny Bloomberg is going to fly to Israel on his private jet to protest the FAA's flight ban on US carriers providing service to Tel Aviv in light of the rocket fire the area near the airport has sustained.

The man who protected New Yorkers from certain death by large sodas apparently would rather Americans subject themselves to Hamas rocket fire to "show solidarity with the Israeli people."
15  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Oklahoma man arrested for "loving on kids" in Kenya on: July 22, 2014, 08:21:09 pm
An Oklahoma City federal court charged him with four counts of traveling to engage in illicit acts with a minor while volunteering with orphans in Kenya.

FTR, his name is Matthew Lane Durham and he is a 19 year old resident of Edmond.
16  General Politics / International General Discussion / Mosul's Christian community extinguished after 1,600 years, thanks to ISIS on: July 22, 2014, 08:06:39 pm
The Iraqi city's Christian residents were told to either pay the jizya - a tax on non-Muslims - convert to Islam, move out of the city or be killed. The first option was subsequently withdrawn and virtually all of the city's mainly Catholic Christians opted to leave.

Once the expulsion was complete, the Islamic State burned down an 1,800 year old church in the city.
17  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Present Israel-Palestine Conflict Thread on: July 21, 2014, 08:06:57 pm
The number of Israeli children killed vs. the number of Palestinian children killed:

I presume it's no less topical for me to bring up the fact that there have been many more Palestinians who could be considered war criminals than Israelis?

...what does that even mean? How do you figure that?
18  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Present Israel-Palestine Conflict Thread on: July 20, 2014, 11:52:17 pm
Depends on the synagogue in question of course. I'm sure there's many Reform ones that aren't comfortable with many of Israel's actions, but there are many others that are pretty Likudnik in their outlook, and protesting one of those isn't anti-Semitic. The Israeli embassy obviously is a more relevant thing to protest, but unless you live in the capital of the city that's not an option.

It's kind of like protesting a church that's quite outspoken against homosexuality and gay marriage. That's fair game. Protesting just some random church without even looking up their position on gay marriage on the other hand would be dumb.

It makes zero sense to give grief to European or American Jews who just want to have their shabbas in peace for the same reason it makes zero sense to vilify your local Muslim community every time someone blows themselves up in Afghanistan or elsewhere.

If you want to protest Israel's actions and there's not an Israeli embassy or consulate, just go to a park and have a demonstration. Why is it necessary to make completely innocent people the object of your indignation?
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Reps Lynch and Jones push to declassify 9/11 files on: July 20, 2014, 09:23:44 pm
Makes me even happier that Walter Jones won his primary against the neocon flunkie who Karl Rove et al ran against him.
20  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Present Israel-Palestine Conflict Thread on: July 20, 2014, 08:27:15 pm
As for the Palestinians themselves, I'm hoping for a peaceful solution with the West Bank, hopefully via integration and democracy rather than trying to carve two bowlderized states out of one tiny area. I think that boat has sailed with Gaza and Hamas, unfortunately. Perpetual war seems like the only outcome there.

If you want democracy and integration of the West Bank, you've just thrown the concept of Israel as a majority-Jewish state out the window.

I'd like to think that in such a scenario, the Arab majority would stand on the side of liberal democracy and pluralism, but past experiments in the region suggest that isn't guaranteed.

My own family has all but given up on the prospect of an independent Palestine for fear that at best it would be just another Islamic country and that at worst it would go the way of Iraq under ISIS.
21  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Present Israel-Palestine Conflict Thread on: July 20, 2014, 07:34:36 pm
Are some people not aware of the fairly severe persecution of Jewish people across Europe from groups of Muslim fundamentalists? As Jewish people fled Sweden's third city the city Mayor stated that they should make Israel behave better if they wanted to be able to live safely in the city. Just to give an example of what I suspect Ray was alluding to.

You still haven't answered my question. Jews are being persecuted by Muslim fundamentalists in Europe. How is that the Palestinians' fault?!
22  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Conservative Republicans on: July 20, 2014, 06:57:34 pm
I think the Democrats have become more socialistic. That really turns off many Americans, but the Republicans haven't been as good at articulating solutions.

Don't Ask Don't Tell was a Democratic policy. The Defense of Marriage Act was a Democratic Policy. Hobby Lobby won in the USSC because of the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, signed by a Democratic President.

The fact that the last Democratic President did things that now this Democratic administration is against shows how fast the Democrats have gone further left. That's why I can't bring myself to vote for one of them for any office. Think about it. I think Obama has repealed more of the Clinton years than he has the Bush years.

Can you name one thing aside from gay issues on which the Democrats are now to the left of where they were in the 1990s?

Coal, balanced budget amendment, welfare reform

Democrats aren't killing coal. Cheap natural gas and higher extraction costs for the Appalachian seams is what's killing coal.

We had a balanced budget at the end of Clinton's term without a constitutional amendment mandate. We don't need a balanced budget amendment to get a balanced budget. We need better legislators.

We already did welfare reform. Our welfare system isn't "broken" at this point in time. What else is there to reform?
23  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Why is Meet the Press with David Gregory's ratings so low? on: July 20, 2014, 06:47:58 pm
We're such an ADD society now that we can only handle our news in 5-minute snippets being delivered by mental patients like Rush Limbaugh and Alex Jones. Tell David Gregory to shout more and figure out a way to make the veins in his forehead visibly throb and he should be good to go.
24  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Present Israel-Palestine Conflict Thread on: July 20, 2014, 06:31:33 pm
"Jews are being targeted all across Europe"

"*world's smallest violin image*"

This thread has been a fascinating exercise in the dropping of pretenses, as well as a wonderful justification of Israel's existence and its nuclear program.

How many Jews have been killed the last 10 years in Europe, I'm going to guess with your great knowledge about Europe you can answer that.

As for nuclear arms, I don't care one way or another, the whole Samson Option is a empty threat, quite useful as one, but still empty.

How many will it take for you to care?

Ray, I'm trying very hard to understand how a synagogue in Europe getting vandalized has anything to do with the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.

You seem to operate by some bizarre calculus where the various wrongs done to Jews in Europe throughout history gives the State of Israel the right to heap suffering and indignation specifically on Palestinians in the present day, despite the fact that I'm fairly sure there were no Palestinians at the Spanish Inquisition, or in England during the expulsion of the Jews or in Auschwitz manning the trains.
25  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: July 20, 2014, 04:50:20 pm
I wish. A sweatshop might help him lose weight.

I actually knew a woman who worked at a Foxconn facility in the Houston area. She did some sort of quality control - I think she was supposed to inspect whatever they were making and send the defective ones somewhere to be fixed. But she was paid minimum wage ($7.25/hr) and was never given more than 25 hours a week. And they always changed her shifts around and called her at the last minute which meant she basically couldn't have a second job even if she wanted to. She quit because she was pregnant and it was obvious to her that when she had her baby, it would make more sense for her to just stay home since she'd be paying more for childcare than she was making at her job.

As I have said before, if we want people like her to be able to have gainful employment and economic mobility, they need better access to childcare.
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