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1  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Romney: My family still wants me to run for president on: June 30, 2016, 07:44:35 pm
If Mitt wanted to run, he had plenty of opportunity to do so a year ago. At this point he'd only play spoiler and get Hillary elected, which is fine if that's his goal.

You forget that Jeb! basically bullied him out of the race by strong-arming all the donors and operatives. Mitt couldn't run because there was no one left to hit up for money and no one left to hire - they were all working for Jeb.
2  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Scott Brown: Warren should take DNA test to prove her Native heritage on: June 29, 2016, 10:42:10 pm
Except that really isn't something you can prove with a DNA test...
3  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Describe a Jeanne Shaheen/Maggie Hassan/Ann Kuster/Donald Trump voter on: June 29, 2016, 10:34:28 pm
Angry New Hampshire Woman who recently transitioned and now identifies as an Angry New Hampshire Man.
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Nobody wants to speak at Trump's convention on: June 28, 2016, 10:11:15 pm
I wonder if the delegates will get goodie bags full of TRUMP-branded products (steaks, neckties, water, vodka, etc).
5  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Nobody wants to speak at Trump's convention on: June 27, 2016, 11:58:16 pm
Well who do you want to hear speak, because they've got a three-day schedule that needs to be filled.
6  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Donald Trump has become born-again on: June 27, 2016, 11:54:37 pm
This is about as believable as when Jean-Bédel Bokassa, the narcissistic dictator of the Central African Republic, converted to Islam to try to impress Qaddafi and convince him to provide the CAR with military support. It didn't work and Bokassa abandoned Islam not long after.
7  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Should George W. Bush apologize for going to war in Iraq? on: June 27, 2016, 10:09:23 pm
When he's really old and has no filter and doesn't care, I can see him being like, "Yeah, that was all Cheney and Rummy's idea. They practically held a gun to my head."
8  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Overall, has the trend of globalization been a net positive or negative for the on: June 27, 2016, 10:06:03 pm
For the US economy as a whole, it's indisputably been a positive thing.

That doesn't mean it has been positive for every American.
9  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: David Cameron's legacy on: June 27, 2016, 10:02:53 pm
Remember this guy?



He's up in Proper British Heaven thanking his lucky stars that now there's a prime minister who makes him look competent by comparison.
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Capitals of states on: June 27, 2016, 09:59:41 pm
Texas' capital was originally Houston, but that was before statehood and it was nowhere close to being the largest city at that time.
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Texas Abortion Restrictions on: June 27, 2016, 09:46:16 pm
To me, that depends on the motives of the people creating those laws. Are they trying to use regulate guns out of existence on purpose? If so, then yes the comparison is valid. If they are legitimately just trying to keep guns out of the wrong hands and improve safety, then no, it wouldn't be valid. As for pro-lifers and these abortion laws - It's painfully obvious that it has nothing to do with the well-being of the women as health professionals have told them time and time again that those regulations are not necessary and wouldn't help at all. Of course those Republican lawmakers know this, and it's easy to say "oh it's for the health of the woman" when it's blatantly not their purpose. Pretty much the same idea behind Republicans and their voting restrictions. When in doubt, claim they are for preventing voter fraud, even when what they are doing would have no effect on voter fraud one way or another.
Laws are created for humans by humans. They don't have to be rational and in fact, sometimes they should not be rational. If laws have to be rational, we should abolish federal holidays because they reduce our productivity. Most developed countries have tougher voter ID laws than most US states, and you don't see widespread moaning in those countries. Protecting the sanctity of the ballot box is important, regardless of whether there is widespread fraud occurring or not.

I agree that most of these restrictions are intended to reduce the number of abortions and are not designed to improve health outcomes. However, abortion laws in the US remain more permissive in general than Europe, so you cannot really argue that Republicans are taking away abortion rights. I support these types of restrictions, because while they might not be my first choice method of reducing abortions, they get the job done. When it comes to the defense of life, the end always justifies the means.

Our constitution provides very broad rights to things like speech, privacy and firearms that result in quirky Americanisms like multibillion-dollar arms races masquerading as elections, abortion on demand in many localities, and the inalienable God-given right to a semi-automatic assault weapon.

You bring up Europe as though America is required by some law of nature to be "to the right" of Europe in all things.

I consider myself pro-choice but am not absolutist about it, and I would potentially be willing to "compromise" with pro-lifers and get rid of abortion in most circumstances if it were coupled with universal healthcare and a much larger social safety net to minimize the negative social and economic externalities created by unwanted children.
12  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: CA-GOV 2018-Kevin Faulconer declines to run on: June 26, 2016, 05:44:26 pm
Could he have a shot running as a Moderate Hero Independent?
13  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Congrats to Senator Feingold... on: June 26, 2016, 05:42:46 pm
He's right, but it's a very impolitic thing to say. Still no chance we can sub Ribble in here?

I'm sorry, but, in what way a perfectly legal and well-structured pensions system can be compared with a well-structured fraud?

People like Vosem and Ron Johnson don't want to subsidize the Poors living past their point of economic viability. Preferably they'd all drop dead from heart attacks at around age 55.
14  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: McConnell refuses to say whether TRUMP is qualified to be president on: June 26, 2016, 05:28:02 pm
I'm enjoying watching all the Republicans trying to squirm and squiggle their way out of having to back Trump, the jokester non-politician who puts his foot in his mouth constantly. It's quite a show.

It's kind of interesting to see just how desperate they are to have full control over the federal government. All they are missing now is a Republican president, who they want to rubber stamp their conservative agenda and fill the federal judiciary with conservative judges.

They are so desperate for that that they will support a terrible unqualified bigot like Trump. That's how little McConnell cares about the long-term well-being of his country. It's all about winning for him. Always has been. He is the ultimate establishment hack.

The interesting thing about McConnell is that he is married to a woman who is a US citizen, but who was born in Taiwan. So how is it that he would support trump with the racism/bigotry that he spews ? And how can he go home to her every night with a clear conscious ?
What is her opinion of trump ? (It cant be good)


Elaine Chao is his second wife. He dumped his first wife and the mother of his children after going on an ego trip like many DC pols do and deciding he wanted a sexy young Harvard-educated Dragon Lady waifu.
15  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How Can Trump Win Without Florida or Wisconsin? on: June 26, 2016, 03:42:34 pm
All of the swing states west of the Mississippi are unwinnable for Trump. The demographics and culture simply don't give him an opening there.
16  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Ben Carson: "what is the reason for the 2nd amendment?" on: June 26, 2016, 03:40:05 pm
People, behave! We get at least 5 more months of Dr. Carson's stream of consciousness ramblings. Get some popcorn or a nice beverage and enjoy the show.
17  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Is it time to accept that Nativist Nuttery is taking over? on: June 26, 2016, 03:38:03 pm
Globalization has different impacts on the elite, urban and educated than it does on everyone else.

The people who work at Barclays in London may as well be on a different planet than the man in Blackpool who didn't go to university.
18  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trumpism on: June 25, 2016, 07:01:16 pm
Immigrants are most certainly taking jobs that would otherwise be done by Americans. This is not a lie. Even supporters of immigration must realize this on some level. It's not as if we didn't allow immigration, there wouldn't be super markets or restaurants.

Immigration as a whole is good for America. That doesn't mean there aren't winners and losers. And it's not just the 1% that benefits. It also helps those who work white collar jobs and can get cheaper meals at restaurants, cheaper stays at hotels, cheaper prices at supermarkets etc. Without immigrants the standard of living of most Americans would fall.

No argument with these statements. However, you fail to distinguish between legal immigrants and illegal immigrants, and it's a very important distinction. Frankly, I can't understand why people would argue against enforcing our immigration laws. If you don't like those laws, change them. If you'd prefer letting folks come into the country to work, propose a structured way of allowing that to happen. But please, please don't just ignore certain laws that are on the books because, well, "nobody" wants them to be enforced, because somebody thinks them to be a good idea and wants them to be enforced (otherwise they wouldn't be on the books).

There is only one issue there. American immigration policy is very reticent to allow any working class immigrants to come into the US, which is why you have the illegal immigrant situation you see today. It would be better if we could allow these people to come through legal channels but the problem is that it is not politically feasible to do so. People may be ok with a Chinsese businessman or an Indian IT dude coming in, but they balk when you ask if it is ok if a Mexican farmworker comes in as well. How do you fix the immigration system in a rational way that allows people to come in to do jobs no one else will do? And that way one can stop the excesses of illegal immigration while preserving the benefits. I don't see how that is politically possible though in an environment where racists like Trump are wining the nomination of one of the two established parties of America.

Why do you say that it is not politically feasible to create a legal channel to allow working class immigrants to come to the US? And if you're right, does that fact provide enough justification for ignoring the law? If that's what you're suggesting, I must strongly disagree. A good number of the problems we're facing appear to be a result of people wanting to ignore certain laws. You don't like the immigration services policing your city? Well, make it a "sanctuary city". Don't think much of federal drug laws pertaining to marijuana possession and distribution? If you're the President, make it the policy of your administration not to enforce those laws. Don't appreciate the criticism directed towards your presidency that's coming from specific groups? Use the Justice Department and the IRS to punish those groups.

Yes it's sad, but that's where we are...

You don't understand the Republican party or it's base if you don't understand why it won't work. They may make an exception for certain minorities they deem desirable but Mexican laborers do not make that cut. That is why immigration reform that includes a legal path for working class workers is DOA. And we need these workers in certain areas like farmwork or landscaping and other tough jobs that don't pay well. I would obviously rather have these people come in legally but like I said, that is not feasible due to the political landscape. And I am sorry, but I don't want to pay $10 for a pound of strawberries. Of course the real result would be the end of American agriculture, as we end up importing all of our food.

There are already programs to allow farmworkers temporary, seasonal residency, and have been since the 1950s. Farming is not as labor intensive as it used to be, and it will be getting less labor intensive in the coming decades. Japan has already rolled out robot farmhands to deal with the chronic labor shortage its aging, declining population has resulted in.
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trumpism on: June 25, 2016, 06:58:22 pm
Immigrants are most certainly taking jobs that would otherwise be done by Americans. This is not a lie. Even supporters of immigration must realize this on some level. It's not as if we didn't allow immigration, there wouldn't be super markets or restaurants.

Immigration as a whole is good for America. That doesn't mean there aren't winners and losers. And it's not just the 1% that benefits. It also helps those who work white collar jobs and can get cheaper meals at restaurants, cheaper stays at hotels, cheaper prices at supermarkets etc. Without immigrants the standard of living of most Americans would fall.

No argument with these statements. However, you fail to distinguish between legal immigrants and illegal immigrants, and it's a very important distinction. Frankly, I can't understand why people would argue against enforcing our immigration laws. If you don't like those laws, change them. If you'd prefer letting folks come into the country to work, propose a structured way of allowing that to happen. But please, please don't just ignore certain laws that are on the books because, well, "nobody" wants them to be enforced, because somebody thinks them to be a good idea and wants them to be enforced (otherwise they wouldn't be on the books).

There is only one issue there. American immigration policy is very reticent to allow any working class immigrants to come into the US, which is why you have the illegal immigrant situation you see today. It would be better if we could allow these people to come through legal channels but the problem is that it is not politically feasible to do so. People may be ok with a Chinsese businessman or an Indian IT dude coming in, but they balk when you ask if it is ok if a Mexican farmworker comes in as well. How do you fix the immigration system in a rational way that allows people to come in to do jobs no one else will do? And that way one can stop the excesses of illegal immigration while preserving the benefits. I don't see how that is politically possible though in an environment where racists like Trump are wining the nomination of one of the two established parties of America.


I don't know of any country that allows working class immigration (other than the EU's policies). It simply doesn't make sense to bring someone into a country who is, over a lifetime, going to be a using more dollars worth of public services than they will be paying in taxes.

An increasing number of Americans likely would take issue with the Indian H1B tech worker because that person might be taking their job.

Immigration is not charity - it's purely a question of, "What does this person have to offer? What can they do for us?" If they are going to be taking more out of society than they are contributing, it doesn't make sense to ask them to join the society.
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: If Jon Huntsman ran this year... on: June 25, 2016, 02:48:26 pm
Probably would have split Kasich's non-Ohio votes.
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will the GOP get away with blaming a Brexit-caused Recession on Obama/Hillary? on: June 24, 2016, 12:31:00 am
Yes, but the economic shock of a Brexit on the US is minimal, so not much of a concern.

You forget that an insanely high percentage of voters believe the US economy is currently terrible.
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Predict a 1964 Landslide Scenario on: June 23, 2016, 09:10:57 pm
Mormons trend sharply Democratic. Trump loses Great Plains voters as Clinton warns his protectionist threats would hurt agricultural exports and during a debate, Trump proves to be shockingly ignorant about how farm subsidies work. Hispanic voters descend on the polls like the Flight of the Valkyries, enabling a Democratic sweep in the Southwest that knocks John McCain out of office and causes Texas to go to the Democrats for the first time in 40 years.



Clinton / Kaine (D) - 446 EV
Trump / Sessions (R) - 91 EV
Johnson / Weld (L) - 1 EV cast by a faithless elector from Idaho
23  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Patrick Murphy's Senate Campaign on: June 23, 2016, 07:44:54 pm
Patrick Murphy's business career still outshines Marco Rubio's.

And at least we know that Murphy, as a member of a fabulously wealthy family, won't be whoring himself out to the first sugar daddy who winks and nods like Rubio has spent his career doing.
24  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: #NeverTrump GOP endorsements LATEST: Scowcroft endorses Clinton on: June 23, 2016, 07:05:41 am
Brent Scowcroft is probably one of the greatest foreign policy minds of the GOP.
25  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: What caused such a big Trump skill drop-off between the primary and GE? on: June 23, 2016, 06:57:37 am
Jeb - Honestly Jeb defeated himself more than anything. Started his campaign by taking five different positions on Iraq in a short time period ("I would have invaded", "I misheard the question", "I misunderstood the question, "It would be offensive to answer the question", "Okay, fine, I wouldn't have gone in!!!!"). Then he played right in to Trump's low energy attack on the debate stage multiple times, by being, well, low energy, especially in the October 28th and November 10th debates. When he tried to act purposely high-energy on December 15th, it came off as whiny and just didn't work. Meanwhile, he and his superpac wasted the fall attacking Rubio and Kasich on the airwaves rather than training their fire on Trump. Add in other embarrassments like having all the same advisers as his father and brother despite being "His own Man", accidentally neglecting to redact personal information from old emails he released, the "please clap" incident in New Hampshire, and the bush last name as a whole, plus his general failure to distinguish himself in a large field, and you have a failed campaign.

Marco: Also defeated himself. The NH debate embarrassment, continually trying to sell defeats as wins, failing to muscle Kasich out of the race before ST, and then topping it all off with the small hands incident.

Ben: More bark than bite. The guy was too nice and unable to respond to the attacks Trump laid on him.

Ted: Mike Huckabee redux, albeit with more money. Simply didn't appeal to enough of the party; and he made it worse by promoting undemocratic wins in Colorado, North Dakota, and Wyoming.

Jeb had no way of winning unless he changed his name and pretended he'd never even met the Georges. You can't run as a member of a political dynasty in a party that is in as anti-institutional of a mood as the Republicans. He also didn't really seem to want to run and was irritated and upset that buying off every consultant and bullying every donor didn't result in everyone else putting a crown on his head.

Marco, like Jeb, was lazy and entitled. Maybe it's a Florida thing. He thought he could just put a bunch of ads on the air and go on news shows and the folks in Iowa and New Hampshire and South Carolina would be like, "He's young, he's handsome, he's Hispanic!" This recent re-entry into the Senate race after he spent months saying he didn't want to stay in the Senate and then trying to claim the Orlando shooting is what made him get back in the race just cements how self-serving he is.

Ben Carson was on a book tour. Let's stop pretending that was anything else. One of the structural problems the GOP has is the commercialization of conservatism and how it leads to a lot of people running for president who don't want to be president but just want to audition for Fox News or pitch a ghostwritten book. The Democrats' backbench candidates - Lincoln Chafee, Jim Webb - don't go to cable news or go on talk radio when they lose, they go home. That's the way the Republicans should be doing things.

Ted Cruz was not Mike Huckabee. Maybe he thought he was Mike Huckabee but he was basically Steve Forbes if Steve Forbes had a born-again experience and started wearing a dollar store Ronald Reagan mask day in and day out. Whatever the merits of his platform are, he's a terrible messenger.
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