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1  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XIX: Melancholy and the Infinite Napping on: Today at 06:22:31 am
I thought that just the name Spaghetti Warehouse sounded hilarious for a restaurant, but then I looked it up and their main attraction is a completely random trolley that they place in the middle of the restaurant lol. This place spells Bushie all over it! It befuddles me that he hasn't gone here yet! Tongue

When my elementary school classes would sometimes venture to downtown Houston for field trips, we were always giddy with anticipation if lunch at Spaghetti Warehouse was on the agenda.
2  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Thom Tillis: (maybe) Good Enough, (could be) Smart Enough But… on: Today at 06:17:47 am
“I think for the most part, what I see from the folks who are opposing our agenda is whining coming from losers,” Tillis told Politico when asked about the current political environment. “They lost, they don’t like it, and they are going to try to do everything they can to, I think, cast doubt on things that I think are wise and that the average citizen when they know what we’re doing, I think, like it.”

But Thom, isn't that what your own party has done in Congress for the past six years?
3  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: NC 2016 Gubernatorial Discussion Thread on: Today at 06:13:15 am
Well, just when I worry McCrory is getting less vulnerable stuff like this comes out:

RALEIGH – Political analysts from both parties said they had concerns Wednesday about whether North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory had been forthcoming about payments of more than $185,000 in cash and stock that he accepted from a Charlotte mortgage broker after he took office last year.

The Associated Press reported Tuesday that McCrory and U.S. Rep. Mark Sanford of South Carolina each received six-figure payouts while holding elected office from Tree.com, the corporate parent of the website LendingTree. The two Republicans had served on the company's board and resigned after they won election, which would have rendered their unvested shares in Tree.com worthless. The board voted to give them the shares anyway.

"It's one of those things that creates a smell," said Carter Wrenn, a Republican strategist whose past clients included the conservative icon Sen. Jesse Helms.

I was under the impression that McCrory did a fairly good job as mayor of Charlotte and had been well-received by moderates and blacks. Why did he decide, upon becoming governor, to start acting like this guy?

4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Which of these campaigns will be more of a hot mess? on: December 18, 2014, 09:40:50 pm
Carly Fiorina Hiring for Presidential Campaign

5  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: How is your health? on: December 18, 2014, 12:07:56 am
A car salesman class?

That's the first thing I saw too.  Is there no scam he doesn't fall for?

You don't think they just hire someone with no experience and put them on the lot with no training, do you?

And why do I have a feeling this is CarMax or some similar place?
6  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: Why Democrats can't win over (more) white working-class voters (Slate) on: December 17, 2014, 11:17:40 pm
The article frames it primarily in racial terms, and part of it certainly is that, but it goes deeper than that. Quite frankly a lot of the working class whites were better off in the 1950s than they are today and there are a ton of structural factors behind that.

When I was growing up in blue collar rust belt northern Ohio, most of the kids in my class whose parents were college educated were Republicans and most whose parents were not were Democrats. Granted, this is northern Ohio not the rural south and auto manufacturing was the main industry. Now the two have swapped a little bit. A decent chunk of the Republican kids went off to college and went crunchy granola social lib, meanwhile a decent chunk of the Democratic kids who didn't go to college have slowly turned into nonvoters or Republicans, not because they've gone racist, but because they find the Democrats' rhetoric insulting for one reason or another and thus believe the Republicans are better looking after their interests. One issue the article didn't mention but is huge right now in the minds of the blue collar types back home is immigration. They largely feel that letting more immigrants stay here will increase the competition for their own jobs. It's not that they hate Hispanics; they just fear being laid off. That's just one example but there are dozens of small ways by which the Democrats have turned them off.

As PR already noted, the rhetoric is probably the Democrats biggest hurdle here. Much like the Republicans when it comes to trying to appeal to blacks, it's gotten to the point where the Democrats almost can't even address the issue with insulting working class whites somehow. The article and PR's response for instance implicitly assert racism as a major reason why they vote for Republicans and the charge of racism is itself generally viewed as an insult. Thus we circle the wagons on the topic.

On the whole though, the Democrats don't need to win the white working class vote. It's a shrinking portion of the electorate, one they have won without and can win again without. They aren't going to win it back as a cosmopolitan liberal party. They can peel off enough to win without the rest.

They're already here. Can't do anything about that. If you give them amnesty, they have no reason not to demand the same sort of wages that non-immigrant workers expect. There's no fear of deportation, so employers have lost that leverage.
7  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Vermont Has Bailed on Single-Payer Health Care on: December 17, 2014, 10:26:02 pm
Open seat governor's race in Vermont in 2016?
8  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: How is your health? on: December 16, 2014, 09:36:02 pm
Well at age 48, at least the parts I still want to work, work. Wink    TMI, I know.

Then why are you so grumpy?
9  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of incorporating the cross into Christmas celebrations? on: December 16, 2014, 09:24:15 pm
Completely illogical.
10  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: if you could travel back in time to this point two years ago on: December 16, 2014, 12:41:22 am
Send Mark Begich to a crash course at the Claire McCaskill School of Meddling in the Other Party's Primary to Ensure You Run Against the Whackiest Republican Possible.
11  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Would Bushie be better off if he went to a hipster church? on: December 15, 2014, 11:35:57 pm
Let me say this: I did not see a single person as fat as Bushie at the service yesterday.

Are you really going to tell us that attending that church caused them not to be fat?
12  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XIX: Melancholy and the Infinite Napping on: December 15, 2014, 04:49:16 pm
Well, it might be a recession for oil states like Texas and Oklahoma. Low oil prices will stimulate growth for everyone else, though.

At least Oklahoma has its lucrative Call Center-Industrial Complex to fall back on.
13  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: GOP Rep: GOP leadership duped me into voting for CRomnibus! on: December 15, 2014, 12:26:37 am
This isn't the first time Stutzman has said something incredibly inane.

Quote from: October 3rd, 2013
"We're not going to be disrespected," Rep. Marlin Stutzman (R-Ind.) told The Washington Examiner. "We have to get something out of this. And I don't know what that even is."

That is about the government shutdown last year, of course.

I'd love to see him try to rob a bank...

"Everybody on the ground. No one leaves until my demands are met!"

"Okay, okay, just tell us what you want."


"I'm...I'm not...okay, look, I'm gonna think about that for a few minutes and then I'll get back to you. But for now, nobody is going anywhere!"
14  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Why are New York's Italians more Republican? on: December 14, 2014, 09:48:38 pm
Haha. I have indeed been to New York and have talked to Italians there.

I'm of Italian descent and have relatives in the Tri State area who I see once every few years. I know they're Republicans but it isn't something we have ever discussed.

I don't think I'm over-analyzing, just curious.

You're missing out on a good opportunity to go right to the source. Ask them about their political views the next time you see them (respectfully, not in a judgmental or critical way).
15  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: GOP Rep: GOP leadership duped me into voting for CRomnibus! on: December 14, 2014, 09:19:54 pm
So basically Stutzman is admitting he's an idiot?

Does anyone need to be bright to be a right-wing political stooge? Just ask a handler how to vote when at all in doubt, and avoid making statements that might show how intellectually hollow one is. Then keep getting re-elected with the aid of Koch front groups.

Does anyone need to be bright to get elected to Congress, period? Pander to the lowest common denominator in a low-turnout primary, get rubber stamped in the general election in your gerrymandered district and you're golden.
16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Pence might be the real 2016 wildcard. on: December 14, 2014, 09:16:22 pm
I'm concerned about his weakness in Indiana. He prevailed by 2.95% in Indiana in 2012, even as Mitt Romney won Indiana 54.04-43.84%. Why the weakness?

That said, he could be a compelling candidate. 55 is a decent age, he's from a conservative state, and has a record of conservatism.

He was running for an open seat against what seemed to be a fairly strong Democratic candidate. And the good Libertarian showing suggests Mourdock's awful Senate candidacy may have poisoned the well for the other non-presidential statewide races.
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Which state seems to be gone for Republicans? on: December 14, 2014, 09:12:18 pm
If I can select only one, then New Hampshire.

New Hampshire is Upper New England's equivalent of Arkansas - a few years behind its neighbors in giving up its previous voting habits.
18  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Last Time Democrats Won a Majority of White Male Voters on: December 14, 2014, 08:59:50 pm
I remember reading somewhere that in 1960, Kennedy won the male vote overall while Nixon won the female vote overall (bizarre, I know). Not sure how that changes if non-whites are removed, but since the electorate was almost entirely white yet, I'm guessing Kennedy probably at least narrowly won white men.
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: Will a Supreme Court Justice ever run for President again? on: December 14, 2014, 08:36:41 pm
I'd be very bothered by the prospect.

If it were up to me, ever having been a candidate for elected public office of any kind would automatically disqualify someone from serving on the SCOTUS.
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Pence might be the real 2016 wildcard. on: December 14, 2014, 08:27:39 pm
I agree. Some people think Scott Walker fills this role, but getting threatened with a recall isn't a ringing endorsement, even if you end up winning the recall. The fact that he hasn't been able to move the needle at all - he performed more or less the same in his 2010, 2012 and 2014 elections - indicates that he's a very polarizing and divisive person and isn't going to perform well with independents and in swing states.
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Jeb Bush has a Mitt Romney Problem on: December 14, 2014, 08:21:16 pm
Are there any Republican candidates who don't have a Mitt Romney problem?

Besides Mitt himself, and Jeb, we've got...

John Kasich
In 2001, Kasich joined Lehman Brothers' investment banking division as a managing director.[39] He remained at Lehman Brothers until its bankruptcy and collapse in 2008.

Ted Cruz
Cruz's wife is currently head of the Southwest Region in the Investment Management Division of Goldman, Sachs & Co. and previously worked in the White House for Condoleezza Rice and in New York as an investment banker.
22  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Is Dallas County lost for the GOP? on: December 14, 2014, 07:51:33 pm
The Democrats are going to have to figure out a way to get more than 35% of the vote in the collar counties (Collin, Denton, Ellis, Rockwall, Johnson). Same story in other "sprawl counties" near Houston (Montgomery, Fort Bend, Brazoria) and Austin (Williamson).

Fort Bend was reasonably close the past couple of elections, and could conceivably flip in the near future. Williamson and Denton should be prime targets for the next 20 years, too. Hays County, too (Since it contains the college city of San Marcos).

Fort Bend owed its closeness to Missouri City, a heavily black suburb. Sugar Land is the larger city in Fort Bend and it is much whiter, faster growing and more conservative. It also has a large and growing Asian population which the Democrats would do well to go after.

Williamson County is almost as right-wing as Travis County is left-wing. The City of Denton did pass a fracking ban, but that was more a classic case of NIMBY-ism than any sign of liberalism. San Marcos has Texas State University - all those kids are from in-state anyway so if they're registered to vote it's in their home county. And by and large it's a mediocre party school for apathetic stoner types and right-wing fratboys who couldn't get into UT or TAMU.
23  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: would you want to spend the day watching tv (and eating) with bushie on: December 14, 2014, 07:17:43 pm
That sounds incredibly boring.

If he was watching a football game that was actually relevant and not some Division 3 school's non-conference cupcake game, and there were no bars around where I could watch said game, that might be an option to keep open.

But nothing he or his family eats sounds remotely appealing or edible to me. And I doubt the conversation would be worth staying for either. In fact, visiting the Family Bushie at home sounds a lot like visiting an old, distant aunt who you don't really know but had to see for some other reason -- lots of just sitting stiffly in the living room with awkward silence while the TV blares in the background.

On the whole - would not do it.
24  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XIX: Melancholy and the Infinite Napping on: December 14, 2014, 06:18:49 pm
ODF is practicing economic forecasting and economic history without a license. Ugh.

it isnt going better than his weather forecasting, apparently.  Smiley

If it's the forecasting and history of his own finances, then I assume it's wishful thinking bordering on delusion, and implausible denial, respectively.
25  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What religion are you? on: December 14, 2014, 05:37:25 pm
Conservative Pentecostal which would put me with the Protestants in the view of most. You folks are aware there are more Pentacostals than average mainline Protestants. I think there are 4 great Sects (Roman Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant, Pentacostal) in the church.

You're conflating Evangelical and Pentecostal. There are many Evangelical denominations - such as the Southern Baptist Convention - which are very opposed to the doctrines of Pentecostal churches. You've also got the broad and growing segment of nondenominational churches which operate as autonomous congregations fusing conservative Protestant dogma with a very pop-culture-influenced Low Church approach to liturgy.
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