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1  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Could the economic recovery explain Obama-Trump and Romney-Clinton voters? on: May 24, 2017, 10:45:26 pm
I think the median voter likely didn't have a very good understanding of just what kind of a "businessman" Trump was.

They didn't understand, for example, that a lot of his money comes from licensing his name to other real estate developers to use on their own buildings, or from licensing it to companies who make things like Trump bottled water and Trump steaks.

He has been far more successful at playing a successful businessman on TV than actually being one in real life. But most people just saw the tall buildings and the private jets and figured, "Well, if he has all that, he must be doing something right!"
2  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: MT-AL: Rob Quist (D) vs. Greg Gianforte (R) vs. Mark Wicks (L), May 25 on: May 24, 2017, 09:53:18 pm
Can we agree that if Gianforte weren't a rich white man, he'd have been shoved in the back of a squad car in handcuffs immediately after this happened?
3  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: How is Donald Trump going to label the 2018 midterms? on: May 21, 2017, 01:57:54 am
"They did so badly because I wasn't on the ballot like I was in 2016. This is what happens when you don't have Trump. You need Trump if you wanna win bigly, folks!"
4  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Politico: West Wing aides brace for big attorney bills on: May 21, 2017, 01:49:59 am
Let me play the world's smallest violin for them. They knew this White House was going to be rife with ethics issues. They know how to avoid that: don't have ethics issues! Obama didn't have that much of a problem (was there any investigation into Obama's White House like this?)

Obama's presidency was indisputably scandal-free, unless you count MUH FAST AND FURIOUS or MUH BENGHAZI (the fact that Republicans never seemed to assign any blame to Obama for Benghazi even though he was the POTUS at the time and instead bashed Hillary was just more proof of how transparently it was a political hit job).
5  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: PA pro-Trump Democratic mayor loses primary to political newcomer on: May 20, 2017, 06:28:01 pm
Band Directors FTW

If he can deal with high school band members, municipal politics will be a cakewalk.
6  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: DeVos trying to end student loan forgiveness programs for nonprofit/gov workers on: May 20, 2017, 06:27:05 pm
She's been doing a fine job.

Why do you reflexively oppose anything that helps the non-rich in society?
7  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Rep. Kevin Cramer (R-ND) claims that Ronald Reagan passed universal health care on: May 19, 2017, 08:23:06 pm
Have Democrats found anyone suitable to run for that seat?
8  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Texas legislature votes to ban straight ticket voting on: May 18, 2017, 11:20:18 pm
This would probably have the biggest impact for district judge races - Texas ballots are ridiculous about these and there are literally dozens of judgeships you have to vote for. I honestly either leave that section blank or just pick names at random. I don't agree with the practice of electing judges to begin with.

So maybe the Republicans could win some "marginal" lower level judgeships, but I'm not sure what they'd gain from that. These aren't appellate court seats. There's really no "Republican" way to be a judge who rules on mundane civil cases. It's not as if these people are ruling on abortion or guns or something.
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Congress and Stock Trading--- Conflict of Interest? on: May 15, 2017, 10:36:06 pm
They should be required to either put their assets in a blind trust or, at least, not be permitted to purchase or sell stocks in specific companies or specific bonds (i.e. they could only buy index funds).
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump revealed classified information to Russian foreign minister and ambassador on: May 15, 2017, 10:27:21 pm
The reason so many of the things Trump has done are *technically* not illegal is that the Founding Fathers and 200+ years of Congresses never thought for a second that the someone as depraved and unfit as Donald Trump would ever be the president.
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump revealed classified information to Russian foreign minister and ambassador on: May 15, 2017, 10:18:00 pm
So I am confused. are you agreeing with paul ryan or do you think his quote applies to trump but not hillary?

Only one of them is the president right now.

and only one of them was running a campaign when the entire public knew they were careless with classified info, and lied consistently about it to boot.

That same candidate was outright worshipped on this site, worshipped, to the point where people had sig and ava pics of her and gifs of her playing with balloons.



Yes - three emails that were marked classified after they had been sent. And you have no way to prove that they were accessed by anyone who shouldn't have had them.

Donald Trump has indisputably given this information to agents of a foreign government, literally right from his own mouth.

And are you not bothered that Donald Trump is still using an unsecured smart phone to tweet on? Do you not realize that is just as easy to compromise as a private server?
12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump revealed classified information to Russian foreign minister and ambassador on: May 15, 2017, 10:03:14 pm
So I am confused. are you agreeing with paul ryan or do you think his quote applies to trump but not hillary?

Only one of them is the president right now.
13  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Map shows how each precinct voted in '16, '12, '08 by exact percentages on: May 14, 2017, 08:08:35 pm
Is there any way to get this data into the Dave's Redistricting App?
14  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Sinclair Requires TV Stations to Air Segments That Tilt to the Right on: May 14, 2017, 04:02:20 am
But muh biased liberal media!
15  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: NYT: Under DeVos, U.S. Crackdown on For-Profit Schools Is Said to Go Idle on: May 14, 2017, 03:59:08 am
The people you vote for (especially the last person you voted for) have been making a ton of money off of these sh**tty schools for years.  Weird that it's an issue for you now.

the difference, of course, being the last administration cracked down on fake schools while this administration not only loves them but encourages them. Admittedly, in the Obama admin it's too little too late but still.

Also stop with the whataboutery. It's not as poignant as you think it is.
And Obama's buddy Marty Nesbitt thinks he is going to make a killing off of it.  Shady as hell.

Meanwhile, Bill Clinton got paid $17.5 million from a for-profit University, some of it while Hillary was SoS.

I don't care if a school is for profit or not.  I do care if schools are screwing over their students, but it doesn't matter if the school is making money or not.  Non-profit schools screw over students too, and they should have their peepee spanked when they do it just like the for profits.  Trump is wrong here just like he is wrong about most things.  Sure, Bill is less wrong for taking money from them, unless of course he or his wife used their pull to benefit the for profit schools....which of course they did.  Which is why I pointed it out.

For-profit schools serve no purpose other than workforce training. If students are not getting jobs that pay well enough to pay back the loans they borrowed to go there, then it amounts to fraud.

Traditional higher education has never placed "WE'LL GET YOU A JOB!" at the forefront. College was originally basically finishing school for children of the elite. That is no longer the case, but there is still a personal development aspect.

I don't think a person who majored in gender studies at Sarah Lawrence College is going to go straight into a $60K/year job immediately after doing that, but that's not why most people are majoring in gender studies at Sarah Lawrence. However, someone who is majoring in information systems at the University of Phoenix very obviously intends to work in IT and if they cannot do so, that is a problem.
16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: How come Trump did so decent in New England compared to past Republicans? on: May 13, 2017, 11:24:27 pm
The real question is why did Romney get crushed that badly in New England?

Romney ran as a social issues right-winger.
17  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Do you know any "electoral oddballs"? on: May 13, 2017, 01:44:14 am
My mom's mom didn't vote for Hillary because she seemed "out of touch" with the common man but voted for John Kerry, LOL ... I know Trump probably played a part in that, but come on.

Plenty of hardscrabble Appalachians who voted for Kerry in '04 but didn't vote for Clinton in '16.

Clinton had a far more "out of touch" image than Kerry did.
18  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: The conservatives like the "children not learning mathematics" argument on: May 12, 2017, 08:24:01 pm
Conservative-inclined posters are free to dismiss the idea, but I'm starting to believe that there is something inherently reactionary about the modern obsession with natural sciences and math as the only "useful" thing people should learn about.

On the contrary, I'd suggest there is something neoliberal about it. The modern obsession with STEM coincides with the rise of utility being the measure of a thing's worth, which is an Enlightenment-era liberal view. The old reactionaries held, and still hold, that the value of a thing is more than its economic worth of utilitarian value, but is instead inherent. Many of the postmodern folks will agree with us reactionaries in so much as we disdain utilitarianism but instead opt for subjectivism altogether.

The loudest proponents of the SCIENCE only mantra are not the right so much as they are the radical "center", the sort of folks who consider themselves socially liberal and fiscally moderate, the consortium of people who actually like Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, John Kasich, and Michael Bloomberg. I'm generalizing of course, but I do think it transcends the partisan divide.

Oh, the other angle that makes the right hostile to humanities fields is the lack of discernible conservative voices within those fields. There are also those who'd support investment in humanities in principle but do not appreciate what previous investment has lead us to in those fields. The complete politicization of everything has its downside after all.

You see "classical education" becoming fashionable among some conservative families, and private schools that require things like learning Latin and reading the Greek and Roman writers being a requirement. That's not terribly different from a liberal parent wanting their child to learn about Kwanzaa and Buddhism in the sense that none of these things are going to make their child's labor any more valuable in the marketplace.
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Ex-rep corrine brown (go gata) found guilty on 18/22 charges of monetary fraud on: May 11, 2017, 09:53:36 pm
She was a hot mess. Her district was right to throw her out last year.
20  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The TrumpCare comes back from the dead (...and lives!) thread on: May 11, 2017, 09:52:01 pm
How are all those 50-64 year old Republicans, whose premiums have been effectively "subsidized" by younger people paying more, going to react when they see their insurance costs go up?
21  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: White House to display 2016 election map to assuage Trump's ego on: May 11, 2017, 07:35:51 pm
We need to start referring to him as "President 46 Percent" to troll him.
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Would a Joe Kennedy III/Jerry Brown ticket work? on: May 11, 2017, 12:35:05 am
He's a Kennedy, so he'd get assassinated or die in a plane crash or something after like a year.

Then Jerry Brown would probably die too because he's like 80.

Then we'd have President Nancy Pelosi, who is no spring chicken herself.

It would be like the Soviet Union in the 1980s.
23  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Sanders and Kasich Debate on CNN on: May 10, 2017, 10:56:49 pm
God grew tired of America and decided to punish its people by giving them the worst election ever, and then ensuring it never ends.
24  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Congressman Ro Khanna (CA-17) becomes a Justice Democrat ! on: May 10, 2017, 10:55:52 pm
Okay, but did Khanna actually stop sucking or has he just sold himself to someone new now?

You do realize that taking money from individuals who are employed by investment banks is not the same thing as taking money from PACs, right?
25  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Nixon= Archibald Cox, Trump= James Comey on: May 09, 2017, 10:43:13 pm
This is hilarious.

The left wing hacks in this forum and on Twitter were screaming the exact same thing when Sally Hack Yates was fired.

The left wing fake news media kept repeating that same meme over and over. It was the end of Trump. Impeachment was right around the corner. It was all over.

http://time.com/4654930/saturday-night-massacre-donald-trump/
http://www.politico.com/tipsheets/morning-shift/2017/01/the-sally-yates-massacre-218490
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/31/for-some-sally-yates-firing-resembles-saturday-night-massacre.html

Thread after thread kept popping up here win Red avatars using the same stupid meme.

That was in January.

If you say Sally Yates now, people say, "who?"

Millennials need to understand that you can keep invoking memes from the past and think you can transpose them on unrelated things from the present and expect them to stick.

She was just testifying before Congress the other day, you moron. Ted Cruz unnecessarily gave her 15 more minutes of fame because he couldn't STFU about HER EMAILS.
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