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1  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Opinion of the Clinton/Kaine Logo? on: July 23, 2016, 03:31:17 pm
Still not a fan of the H-arrow, but the font is very clean, simple and has a kind of retro vibe to it.
2  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Opinion of the Clinton/Kaine Logo? on: July 23, 2016, 03:29:24 pm
Just bought my lawn sign!

You have to pay for it ?
Was it required .... or more of a donation ?

Hillary lets you purchase the signs with cash or with a chit for a personal favor that she can redeem from you at a later date. Wink
3  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Luntz to delegates: GOP has 'lost' the millennial generation on: July 22, 2016, 08:18:07 pm
Saying 45% of your party's members support same-sex marriage in 2016 is about as bold as saying 45% of your party's members support desegregation of public facilities in 1968. It means you are profoundly on the wrong side of history and general decency.

And if 45% of Republicans support same-sex marriage, why are there only like two Republicans in the House who do?
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Pence lied about WMDs in Iraq in 2004 on: July 22, 2016, 07:56:45 pm
When the public heard WMDs, they assumed, with the context of Colin Powell waving vials of yellowcake at the UN, that Saddam was getting ready to launch nukes at us any day.

The possession of chemical weapons does not in and of itself merit the invasion of a country, and if it does, it certainly doesn't merit removing the leader from power when that is really all that's holding things together.

Why should the administration that basically hated the UN care if Saddam was in violation of UN resolutions?

And if he did have them, why was it okay for him to have chemical weapons in the '80s but not in the '00s?
5  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Luntz to delegates: GOP has 'lost' the millennial generation on: July 20, 2016, 11:13:07 pm
I'm 28 years old. I'm not going to vote for a party that denies climate change exists, that thinks denying evolution exists is a reasonable position, and that doesn't support civil marriage for all.
6  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Opinion of Ted Cruz's convention speech on: July 20, 2016, 10:37:07 pm
If you are unwilling to endorse your party's nominee, you should not attend the convention nominating that person and you should not speak at that convention.

In my opinion, an elected official who is unwilling to endorse their nominee should leave that party, but that's a separate issue.

Ted should have stayed home. This was a Ron Paul move and he's made himself about as relevant as Ron Paul going forward.
7  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Congressman: only WHITE people have ever contributed to civilization on: July 20, 2016, 07:52:30 pm
What's wrong with white people?  I mean, there aren't many blacks in the photo, but they only make up ~12%~ of the population and are very Democratic.  Who cares?  Are the same people feigning outrage over this upset that the NBA is so massively over represented by blacks?  Or the NFL?

The Democratic intern class is far more representative of what America as a whole looks like than the Republicans' 99% white intern class.

It definitely underrepresents white people and overrepresents blacks based off the photo.  Do I care? No.  Neither are exactly representative, and it doesnt matter.  Just because it's a big group of whites doesnt mean they're any less relevant or deserving of respect

I didn't say it was perfectly representative. I said it was more representative.

It says a lot about the Republican Party that they are completely lacking in any significant appeal to non-whites and make no effort to do so.
8  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Congressman: only WHITE people have ever contributed to civilization on: July 20, 2016, 07:44:17 pm
What's wrong with white people?  I mean, there aren't many blacks in the photo, but they only make up ~12%~ of the population and are very Democratic.  Who cares?  Are the same people feigning outrage over this upset that the NBA is so massively over represented by blacks?  Or the NFL?

The Democratic intern class is far more representative of what America as a whole looks like than the Republicans' 99% white intern class.
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Congressman: only WHITE people have ever contributed to civilization on: July 20, 2016, 07:22:33 pm
Okay whatevs, RINO Tom, still doesn't change the fact that your party is now basically the White People's Party and that's not such a great position to be in when that share of the market is getting smaller by the year.

I think I might see you in the photo on the right.
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Conservative Christian pastor would vote for Trump over Jesus on: July 20, 2016, 01:37:24 am
no more than a few percent of Americans actually want a government literally based on the Sermon on the Mount, if they are honest with themselves.  because that's basically anarchistic pacifism.

but if you are a Christian you should not be endorsing the exact opposite principle. you want to try to think about how you can best apply the principles of humility and forgiveness while still protecting the innocent.

If this election has taught me anything, it's that the people in the Republican Party who call themselves "Christian" basically just use the term as a justification to hate anyone who isn't white, straight, rich and Republican.

Would a "real" Christian not be bothered by Trump's multiple marriages and history of lying and deceiving people with things like Trump University?
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Congressman: only WHITE people have ever contributed to civilization on: July 19, 2016, 11:26:31 pm
You should be more true to the tradition of MA Republicans, who have been some of the best throughout history.
And who are you to tell me what to believe. Your version of the party being the good old boys which my family has also been part of since the 1860's is dead and won't be coming back.
Of course, the GOP of RINO Tom and Classic Conservative is dead. Both visions of it. The GOP is becoming something more akin to a right-wing populist, socially moderate, non-interventionist party. There is no more room for Ted Cruz in the future GOP than there is John Kasich.

The question is, do Ben Sasse and other rising stars in the GOP bench for 2020 decide to get with the changing attitudes of the base, or do they keep delaying the inevitable and keep losing elections?
I do agree with you, I do think Cruz has a chance because the party is becoming more of a 'culture wars' party like Pat Buchanan described at his convention speech in 1992. The party is definitely going to become the party of law and order, the working class and much more like a European Nationalist party with a strong and very vocal minority of social conservatives.

Haha, yeah, so business conservatives, affluent suburbanites AND movement conservatives are not welcome in this new GOP that has already maxed out its White support??

Good luck winning ZERO elections.  Unlucky for you guys, the Democrats don't offer an alternative and "good old boys" aren't going anywhere.  Period.  Donald Trump's GOP fades back where it belongs the second his landslide loss is complete.

Republicans don't win affluent suburbanites anywhere but the South and the Midwest anymore.

Have you ever been to Boulder? Fairfax County, VA? Marin County, CA? Fairfield County, CT?
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Donald J. Trump is officially the GOP nominee for president. on: July 19, 2016, 09:13:05 pm
Cruz will stage a party revolt. Will not accept this as legitimate. Trump is and will always be a Democrat.

Are you just trolling now?

Nope. Not trolling. I fully expect a party revolt.

And how would that happen? The delegates have already voted. There is literally nothing more that can be done at this point.
13  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Best and Worst Governors of the Past 50 Years: Tennessee on: July 19, 2016, 08:16:22 pm
Pretty much all of the ones after Blanton were good-to-great governors.

I'd rate Blanton as the worst because I honestly don't know enough about the earlier ones.
14  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Would you support a law preventing spouses and close relatives of Presidents... on: July 19, 2016, 08:15:24 pm
It's unconstitutional. So no.

Yeah, this would violate equal protection. You'd have to introduce a constitutional amendment explicitly forbidding this and it seems like a really weird thing to have a constitutional amendment for.
15  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Who runs for Bob Corker's seat in the Senate for Tenn in 2018 if he retires? on: July 19, 2016, 08:11:55 pm
I wouldn't be surprised if Corker and Haslam decided to switch jobs.
16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Question for Never Trump Republicans on: July 19, 2016, 12:28:38 am
The Republican Party is committing nothing short of malpractice tonight.

The fact that they are creating a possibility that someone of Donald Trump's qualifications, character and temperament would be in charge of the United States of America and given "The Football" among other things is really the last straw.

The minimum bar a political party must meet is nominating a candidate who is qualified to do the job. Every single candidate from either major party in recent history has met that test. Not all were "great" candidates or even very admirable people, but none would be a threat to national security if they were in the Oval Office. All the flameout candidates - McGovern, Mondale, Goldwater, Landon - would have been competent, regardless of whether you agreed with their policies.

The Republican Party proved itself incapable this year of meeting even that very basic bar.

And no, they aren't going to get to "whip out the Etch-a-Sketch" in 2020 and pretend that none of this ever happened.
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Question for Never Trump Republicans on: July 19, 2016, 12:21:15 am
Why would you want to identify with a political party where Trump supporters are at least 40 percent of the party?

We can talk about how absolutely despicable Donald Trump and the 44% of Republicans who support him are, but what does that say about the other 56% of Republicans who are willing to share a tent with such people?
18  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will Cruz endorse Trump? on: July 19, 2016, 12:10:44 am
If he would endorse someone who attacked him (and his wife and his father!) in such a low and personal way, he truly has no scruples.
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Question for Never Trump Republicans on: July 19, 2016, 12:08:55 am
Hillary is going to win, and yes she'll be a bad President.  However, Trump is damaging my party beyond repair, and it's plssing me off.  Many of Trump's supporters just want an outlet to be bigots and be proud of it and couldn't care less about the Republican Party.  I will be voting for Johnson.

I love that you insist on calling it "your" party as though you and the ten people who like Jeb! Bush have some birthright to overrule the millions of Trumpists and those who at least view Trump as acceptable.

All you ever do is complain about 99% of what the Republican Party says and does anyway. It's not 1957 anymore - there's no "social elite" status conferred on you by being a Republican.

It belongs to the 56% (really greater, since he was unopposed in the last 10 states; somewhere in the mid-'60s) that voted against Trump; we are the alliance of Cruz, Rubio, and Kasich and so on. Your constant repetition of the "millions for Trump" ignores the many more millions against him. So long as Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell are still leaders of our congressional delegations, and we can elect economic conservatives like Matt Bevin in populist states like Kentucky, it is indeed still our party.

Those who view Trump as acceptable is a much smaller number than those voting for Trump. There is a large number who simply view him as less unacceptable than Hillary Clinton.

And, lastly, I'm voting for Gary Johnson (though I'm sure everyone here knew that).

Why couldn't you get millions more on your side, then?

If there were 13M votes for Donald Trump and 16M for the others, why couldn't any of the others bring any more people to their side to vote against Trump?

There are hundreds of millions of Americans who did not vote in the Republican Party at all. If you had even attempted to appeal to any of them, you could have easily outvoted Donald Trump.
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Question for Never Trump Republicans on: July 18, 2016, 11:57:50 pm
Hillary is going to win, and yes she'll be a bad President.  However, Trump is damaging my party beyond repair, and it's plssing me off.  Many of Trump's supporters just want an outlet to be bigots and be proud of it and couldn't care less about the Republican Party.  I will be voting for Johnson.

I love that you insist on calling it "your" party as though you and the ten people who like Jeb! Bush have some birthright to overrule the millions of Trumpists and those who at least view Trump as acceptable.

All you ever do is complain about 99% of what the Republican Party says and does anyway. It's not 1957 anymore - there's no "social elite" status conferred on you by being a Republican.
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Melania Trump caught plagiarizing Michelle Obama's 2008 speech on: July 18, 2016, 11:45:31 pm
Unbelievable.

After eight years of demonizing and vilifying Michelle Obama for being an intelligent, well-educated, accomplished black woman (uppity!), the Republicans steal her speech for their preferred replacement - a Botoxed, plastic bimbo who can barely speak English.

How do you spell "disaster?" G-O-P.
22  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Atlantic Article: How American Politics Went Insane on: July 18, 2016, 09:58:41 pm
The intro to the article is snappy  but ultimately it proclaims our problem is that our politicians aren't corrupt enough. It raises some important points, but I still don't quite agree with the main premise.

We replaced internal dealmaking, which comes with accountability and avenues for relief, with external dealmaking. Now, instead of backroom poker games among congressmen and the Committee to Reelect the President, we have dark money Super PACs and legislation being written in corporate boardrooms and then given to designated lawmakers to introduce as is.
23  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Axiom Strategies/Remington Group(R): Trump leads in 7 of 8 battleground counties on: July 18, 2016, 08:03:09 pm
But Luzerne is ground zero for "Reagan Republicans"

...no.
Of course it is. 88% white, only $45K median income, predominately Polish and German. If you want to argue with me over semantics, fine. But this is your core Trump demographic.

I do want to argue with you over semantics, because the (completely and demonstrably false) idea that places like this were particularly strong for Reagan advances a really damaging historiography of the Reagan era, which in turn informs really damaging policies and rhetoric today.

Reagan won Luzerne County in both 1980 and 1984.  Its population is older (median age 41; almost 20% over 65) and whiter than average.  If the mythical Reagan Democrat exists, Wilkes Barre and environs is a good place to start looking for them.

I'm pretty sure anyone who could ever have been described as a Reagan Democrat can now be found in the cemetery or urn where they have been interred.
24  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Republican National Convention **live commentary thread** on: July 18, 2016, 08:00:54 pm
This entire day has been such a turnoff for any reasonably educated and decent Republican.  Can they try any harder to appeal to the uneducated, xenophobic southern hicks?!  Seriously why the heck is some duck dynasty bum on stage?  He needs to take a shower.

This is what the Republican Party is now. Deal with it.
25  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Republican National Convention **live commentary thread** on: July 18, 2016, 07:07:15 pm
The chair guy is like



"If you name your child Reince Priebus and he ends up becoming a functionary in an authoritarian regime, you have only yourself to blame."
-Ross Douthat
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