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1  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Should there be a like/dislike button (or equivalent) on the Atlas Forum? on: Today at 05:33:23 pm
Yes, there should be a like button– it cuts down on empty quoting and empty quoting is a cancer.

I think the dislike button works well in the AAD environment but I can see how it might not be the best idea here.
2  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of liberals bashing conservatives as "stupid" on: Today at 04:07:29 pm
Labeling conservatives as "stupid" and trotting out condescending arguments about the rural white working class* "voting against their interests" does nobody any good.  I give these people the respect of trusting that their desires are well-considered and genuine.

Of course, in many case their genuine desires– subsidizing coal, preventing cities from enacting commonsense gun regulations, shutting off the border, etc.– are harmful to the country and the world as a whole.  Like, maybe there's a way to thread the messaging needle and focus on different issues in different places.  But if gaining their vote means selling out on important principles, that's not a price worth paying.

*And let us be perfectly clear that you need all four of those words.  Don't disingenuously try to conflate "working class" with this subset, and especially don't try to do it in the service of painting liberals as overall anti-poor.  
3  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: What major metro areas are more GOP than the state they are in as a whole? on: Today at 10:31:37 am
The Inland Empire. I guess that's kind of cheating... but if it was part of the combined Los Angeles area, would it make LA conservative enough?

Or, if you really want to get into silly technicalities... the New Jersey portion of the NYC metro area is both less Democratic than NJ as a whole, and has well over 1 million people.
4  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: The Big City Areas vs The Rest of the State Round 1: New York on: July 30, 2015, 10:52:40 pm
Obviously NYC by leaps and bounds.  That's no slam on Upstate, though, which is a fine area and far better than Long Island.  It's just that you can't compete with The City.
5  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Dreams with Atlas members in them on: July 30, 2015, 10:42:11 pm
Few nights ago I had a many-part epic dream, most of those parts completely irrelevant to Atlas, but which included a stop in a restaurant where Atheist2006/Solarstorm was apparently the chef.  (We never saw the chef.)

The food I was served could best be described as "pasta puttanesca, but with soba noodles, served on a bed of mushy peas and lentils."  And it was bland.
6  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: La Guardia Airport to Be Rebuilt by 2021, Cuomo and Biden Say on: July 28, 2015, 11:27:50 pm
Also, train, do you use the same handle on Twitter?

Yep.  Well, my username is a little different b/c of the character limit.  I don't tweet much, mostly just use it as a news feed and occasionally retweet urbanist/anti-Cuomo stuff and the occasional Clickhole article.
7  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: La Guardia Airport to Be Rebuilt by 2021, Cuomo and Biden Say on: July 28, 2015, 06:21:29 pm
Cuomo said it would be $4 billion and five years?  Ooooooops it's gonna be more like twice that, both on cost and time.

The only surprise here is that the truth is coming out so fast.
8  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: La Guardia Airport to Be Rebuilt by 2021, Cuomo and Biden Say on: July 28, 2015, 01:05:48 pm
Of course they're going to shower money on La Guardia, and leave Penn Station (which receives more travelers than all three metro airports COMBINED) and a desperately-needed new pair of tunnels under the Hudson to rot.

Thanks, Cuomo.  And as for you, Biden, I'd have expected better.  Sigh.

Didn't Christie scotch that deal?

Yes. But keep in mind that– not only back then but even today– Cuomo has been singularly uninterested in going to bat for it, getting it done, pushing Christie (who he is best buds with), etc.  There is blame on both sides of the Hudson, and we all suffer.
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: La Guardia Airport to Be Rebuilt by 2021, Cuomo and Biden Say on: July 28, 2015, 12:59:37 pm
Either way, sh--ty infrastructure getting fixed is sh--ty infrastructure getting fixed. Here are some pictures:

Yes, pretty and misleading renderings make it all better.

Oh my sweet Jesus, that f**king ferry (which is, what, a mile from the terminal?  But it's okay because FERRIES.  Ferries– a few exceptions like Staten Island granted– are such useless, classist bullish*t.)  Also you will note that the plan apparently includes an increase in in parking capacity, but of course these pictures conveniently airbrush out the garages that would require.

Oh, here's a radical idea that I saw linked to recently, which ought to be on the table (apologies for the source): maybe just shut LaGuardia down and use the airspace/funds for increasing capacity and reliability in JFK/Newark instead?
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: La Guardia Airport to Be Rebuilt by 2021, Cuomo and Biden Say on: July 28, 2015, 12:50:55 pm
How about connecting the airports to the subway system?

This is part of the deal.

Yes, and Cuomo's proposed alignment will not only not save a lick of time compared to taking the bus, but burden an already-crowded 7 train in really perverse and ACTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE ways.  If we were extending the subway from Astoria, that would be great: but Cuomo doesn't doesn't give one flying f**k about normal subway-riding people and doesn't care to listen to anyone who knows what they're talking about.

http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2015/01/21/for-laguardia-an-airtrain-that-will-save-almost-no-one-any-time/


Rebuilding La Guardia in place is a lot easier to do than renovating Penn Station or building a pair of new tunnels.

This is going to cost $4 billion.  Those other projects aren't that much more expensive, and would not only serve roughly an order of magnitude more people, but would provide proportionately more improvement.  We're talking about expanding capacity in an area where capacity is full with new tunnels... LGA might be a dump but it, y'know, does actually allow enough people to fly in and out, safely.
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: La Guardia Airport to Be Rebuilt by 2021, Cuomo and Biden Say on: July 27, 2015, 05:16:12 pm
Of course they're going to shower money on La Guardia, and leave Penn Station (which receives more travelers than all three metro airports COMBINED) and a desperately-needed new pair of tunnels under the Hudson to rot.

Thanks, Cuomo.  And as for you, Biden, I'd have expected better.  Sigh.
12  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: POST HERE IF YOU WANT TO BE CONSIDERED AS A MOD on: July 27, 2015, 01:00:16 pm
Let's be real here: there is an obvious and correct answer, and it is to add Cathcon and Crabcake.  Turkisblau would also be a strong choice.

I like Gully as a person and a poster, but just from a purely PR standpoint someone less controversial would probably be better.
13  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Atlas vs. AAD? on: July 27, 2015, 12:51:06 pm
I guess the US discussion is better at AAD, the international discussion better at Atlas.

Both sites have large amounts of cruft (spammy "Opinion of X" stuff/teenage libertarians here, Update/MOD FASCISM crapola on AAD) as well.  Sometimes the cruft can be funny ("discuss with maps!" here/everything Libertas there), more often it isn't.

Eh.  I more or less agree with Tik and smilo.
14  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: uber vs taxis on: July 23, 2015, 09:21:59 pm
Obviously the medallion system is pure rent-seeking cartelism, and should be smashed to smithereens post haste.  But some of Uber's "innovations" over their competitors are pure cream-skimming like not having handicapped accessibility, and classifying employees as "independent contractors" so they don't have to pay benefits (not that your regular taxi driver really has it any better, mind).  And their specific corporate culture seems to be worse than average.

More choice, better quality, and expanding people's ability to get around without their own private cars is something we desperately need.  So I support the sector.  But I also don't want to just replace one monopoly with another, and not all regulations are evil.  

In conclusion: I'm on Team Lyft.

Do actual taxis have that? My urban experience is limited, but it's hard to imagine cabs running around, say, New York, with wheelchair ramps and everything.

Not all of them do, but it's required for a certain percentage of the fleet (and is, of course, not cheap to comply with).  You do see wheelchair-accessible cabs from time to time.
15  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Atlas Forum Feedback on: July 23, 2015, 09:20:14 pm
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I would like the forum software modernized
Use of likes/dislikes or upvotes/downvotes, as well as the ability to create subthreads (i.e. you can reply to a post and have your reply appear right below it rather than quoting someone to reply to their post 10 pages away), are my two main suggestions.

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The points system is doing more harm than good.
        
I really don't see what the "point" is.

Strongly agree.  "Likes" without "dislikes" would also be acceptable if there's more support for that.

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Moderation is too strict
Strict and arbitrary. Some animals are more equal than others around here.

Furthermore, accept the fact that an Internet forum about politics is going to primarily attract an 18-35 year old male demographic. You're going to have profanity. You're going to have sexual innuendo. If you can't handle that, go collect stock photos of cupcakes and vintage furniture on Pinterest or something.

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Moderation stifles debate with censorship
There should be no value judgments regarding content. Someone might have political views that are totally illogical or irritating to you, but that doesn't make them "trolling."

I'll quibble with this slightly: the reason to stay profanity-free is not to attract a "cupcake-collecting" demographic or whatever, but because Dave views the forum as an educational resource and wants it to stay kosher for school filters.  Also, while I like cussing I can just go and do that on AAD, it's not worth losing Muon and others in similar situations here (as he's explained above) over the sacred right to drop F-bombs.

As for value judgment regarding content, I think it's necessary to draw a distinction between political positions (which should be protected, even extreme and illogical ones) and blatant hate speech (which shouldn't).
16  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: uber vs taxis on: July 23, 2015, 08:59:15 pm
Obviously the medallion system is pure rent-seeking cartelism, and should be smashed to smithereens post haste.  But some of Uber's "innovations" over their competitors are pure cream-skimming like not having handicapped accessibility, and classifying employees as "independent contractors" so they don't have to pay benefits (not that your regular taxi driver really has it any better, mind).  And their specific corporate culture seems to be worse than average.

More choice, better quality, and expanding people's ability to get around without their own private cars is something we desperately need.  So I support the sector.  But I also don't want to just replace one monopoly with another, and not all regulations are evil. 

In conclusion: I'm on Team Lyft.
17  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Do you support the bans of Tweed, BK and AdamGriffin? on: July 22, 2015, 08:38:36 pm
Yes to a perma for Tweed, BK's should be temporary (few months), Griffin shouldn't have been banned at all.
18  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of AAD: Yesterday vs. Today on: July 22, 2015, 04:12:48 pm
Doesn't Marokai support gamergate anyway Huh

I've butted heads with him on feminism issues several times (and probably will again in the future) but characterizing his position as pro-GG is a bridge too far.
19  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Are you a "moderate hero" on any issues? on: July 22, 2015, 02:57:56 pm
I'm a Moderate Hero on Atlas vs. AAD.  Though the nature of that Moderate Heroism has recently changed from "both places are good" to "both places suck," alas.
20  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Unban CCSF on: July 22, 2015, 11:54:32 am
x traininthedistance

I normally hate these petitions.  But desperate times, desperate measures, etc.
21  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Petition to unban Bacon King on: July 22, 2015, 11:53:40 am
x traininthedistance

Well, at least, make it clear that the ban is temporary rather than permanent.
22  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Petition to unban adamgriffin on: July 22, 2015, 11:52:45 am
x traininthedistance

I'm not a fan of the anti-mod culture that permeates so many posters (opebo and jmfcst are banned, get over it), but it's staggering how tone deaf and out of line this is. Are you trying to exacerbate the problem?

Ding ding ding.
23  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Banned Posters: Adam Griffin on: July 22, 2015, 11:41:05 am
Far be it from me to side with the anti-Mod sh*t-stirrers in general, but this was clearly out of line.  Agree with Sim, Crabcake, bedstuy of course.  At this point, knowing what we know, whether they think it's fair or not the Mods are going to have to walk back a couple of their recent actions if they want the populace in general to regain their trust.  Normally I would be satisfied with an explanation (and perhaps if Dave himself descended from the sky that would be an additional point-in-favor), but this is an extraordinary case in which legalisms will only feed our distrust and should instead be replaced with an attempt to make whole, rather than just move on.  

At a minimum, AG should be unbanned and BK's ban should be clearly made temporary.  Knowing what we know about the deliberations (and given his far-better behavior on AAD), I think that an unban of CountryClassSF, of all people, would also be particularly warranted.  I'm pretty easily satisfied; that's all I'd demand personally.  Others might want more, like say de-modding Joe Republic (who is a good and funny poster 95% of the time but whose anger issues and questionable objectivity make him a poor fit for modship).  Some things are too far gone: Tweed of course can rot in hell and so can his defenders; opebo isn't coming back, and those who worship him aren't coming back either- it's a genuine shame that people like Lewis have fallen into that sad bubble, but some hearts and minds are just too hardened against dialogue and reconciliation. But I choose to believe that the Atlas team can repair some of the damage, and it would be in their best interest to choose compassion over legalism and do so.

Putting aside CCSF (what he is doing on another site is not really relevant, and that ban decision was extensively discussed in the Cave, and was a divided decision where all the competing considerations were fully aired, and is not a part of the recent events), what you are advocating Train, is really a decision for Dave to make. He has to decide how he feels about the theft (it's severity and what he thinks constitutes behavior that cannot be forgiven, and what if any he thinks can), and the subsequent events, and the relationship of this site to AAD, and what this site's policies should be towards it. It is a bad situation, I very much agree (and now AAD is doing counter bannings). So, with that said, you might PM Dave with your thoughts.

The thing with CCSF is that decisions which are that divided should necessarily not be bans.  I'm not saying that it always has to be unanimous, but it should as a matter course require a supermajority, not 51%.

And we all know much good PMing Dave will do.
24  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Banned Posters: Adam Griffin on: July 22, 2015, 11:16:13 am
Far be it from me to side with the anti-Mod sh*t-stirrers in general, but this was clearly out of line.  Agree with Sim, Crabcake, bedstuy of course.  At this point, knowing what we know, whether they think it's fair or not the Mods are going to have to walk back a couple of their recent actions if they want the populace in general to regain their trust.  Normally I would be satisfied with an explanation (and perhaps if Dave himself descended from the sky that would be an additional point-in-favor), but this is an extraordinary case in which legalisms will only feed our distrust and should instead be replaced with an attempt to make whole, rather than just move on.  

At a minimum, AG should be unbanned and BK's ban should be clearly made temporary.  Knowing what we know about the deliberations (and given his far-better behavior on AAD), I think that an unban of CountryClassSF, of all people, would also be particularly warranted.  I'm pretty easily satisfied; that's all I'd demand personally.  Others might want more, like say de-modding Joe Republic (who is a good and funny poster 95% of the time but whose anger issues and questionable objectivity make him a poor fit for modship).  Some things are too far gone: Tweed of course can rot in hell and so can his defenders; opebo isn't coming back, and those who worship him aren't coming back either- it's a genuine shame that people like Lewis have fallen into that sad bubble, but some hearts and minds are just too hardened against dialogue and reconciliation. But I choose to believe that the Atlas team can repair some of the damage, and it would be in their best interest to choose compassion over legalism and do so.
25  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of AAD: Yesterday vs. Today on: July 22, 2015, 10:02:53 am
My opinion of both forums is vastly lower.

Precisely this.
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