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1  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 1888 U.S. House Vote, Round 1 on: Today at 09:19:51 pm
2  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: More than 100 hate-crime murders linked to single website, report finds on: Today at 08:31:38 pm
This is why the First Amendment is outdated....

I'm sorry, I thought this was America.
3  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Scottish Independence Referendum - 2014 on: Today at 08:15:47 pm
Would the UK be called the United Kingdom of England, Wales, and Northern Ireland? Not the best name if you ask me.
4  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: What was Hunter S. Thompson closer to being politically? on: Today at 08:10:46 pm
he was no Libertarian. He viewed capitalism... as a clear form of outright degeneracy.

So do Actually Existing Libertarians.

By Actually Existing Libertarians, I assume you are referring to actual libertarians, i.e. class struggle anarchists or anarcho-syndicalists, or any variety or shade of anarchism that tinges the black with the red?

Going no-true-Scotsman-esque on us, eh, Tiffany?
5  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: Northeast Voting Booth: Executive Department Amendment on: Today at 08:06:29 pm
Aye.
6  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 1888 U.S. Presidential Election on: Today at 07:02:09 pm
If we assume the first House round would be just like this (which it almost certainly will be) and that Custer and Vance go to the second round, and therefore that we bosses are to be kingmakers, I propose a Vance/Smith unity ticket (and possibly a merger).
7  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Nobody is ‘born that way,’ gay historians say on: Today at 06:59:40 pm
philosophical progressivism

Quick question: Is this the whole "the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice" thing?
8  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: The Public means Public Act (Debating) on: Today at 03:32:27 pm
This measure has my most earnest support.
9  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Hide behind the poll: have you ever taken a picture of your genitals? on: Today at 10:53:07 am

...this is how I'm picturing some of you.

Forgive me, Mr. Pollo, but is that Ayn Rand?
10  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Sage Garden on: Today at 10:51:04 am
That's not really a good sign. Also (for some constructive criticism), comparing economics to "some of the more chaotic concepts emerging out of quantum physics" is probably the worst metaphor I've ever seen. The point of metaphors and suchlike is to make things easier to understand, hence AD's admittedly flawed cake rant, and quantum physics is probably the single hardest thing to understand in the world.

Not to speak for Mersault or anything... but I'm pretty sure that's his point.  You may disagree with his contention that economics is almost wholly unfathomable by normal Euclidean (so to speak) methods, but the metaphor was, I'd argue, very precisely and well chosen for the point he's trying to advance.

Does that make sense?

So Mr. Meursault's just arguing against this metaphoricization (correct word?) of big issues by pointing out that no one can really understand them? If that's the case, then I understand.
11  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Queue Sanity OSPR Amendment (At Final Vote) on: April 19, 2014, 09:09:57 pm
Aye.
12  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: The Save Our Sharks Act of 2014 (Debating) on: April 19, 2014, 09:09:01 pm
I shall support this bill; sharks are our friends.
13  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Executive Department Amendment (At Final Vote) on: April 19, 2014, 09:08:16 pm
I change my vote from "didn't vote" to Aye.
14  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Nobody is ‘born that way,’ gay historians say on: April 19, 2014, 09:04:23 pm
It is well documented that heterosexuality and homosexuality are social constructs. This does not in any way reduce the importance of these concepts for modern society or the equal dignity that should be afforded to each, obviously. But it's always a good thing not to essentialize this kind of categories.

So sexual stimulation as the result of attractiveness upon sight of a male or female or either leading to changes in heart rates, sweating, pupil dilation, subconscious responses to smells , erection and self lubrication are 'constructs'?

Yes, obviously our sense of attractiveness is socially constructed. I thought everyone knew that. Just look at old paintings, every era and every area had its own specific definition of male and female beauty. The fact that it elicits physical reactions doesn't in any way disprove its social origins.

Sex predates society though, so sexual attraction cannot have a social origin.  Society can influence sex, it is not the origin.   And, what you're talking about is the preference for a type of female body or male body, not one or the other. 

Plus, just look at societies like Saudi Arabia where homosexuality is punished with the death penalty.  There are still plenty of gay people in Saudi Arabia, how is that possible if sexuality is based on their society? 

The natural sex drive is simply the desire to stroke one's genitalia. What they are to be stroked against is determined, among humans, mostly by social constructions.

Society never told me to fantasize about the guy who sits in front of me in choir, and yet I do.
15  General Discussion / History / Re: Kurt Horner's cycle of recurring political archetypes on: April 19, 2014, 09:00:46 pm
Top le(l)ft.
16  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Sage Garden on: April 19, 2014, 08:59:14 pm
AggregateDemand's problem (and I realize this is going to be a 'sagepost', and I don't really care) is that he's enslaved to bad metaphors. E.g.:

If you eat 3,000 calories per day, you're going to have to burn calories to maintain healthy weight. You can lift weights to increase work output and gain muscle mass. You can run and do cardio training to increase work output and endurance. You can walk around in circles, which burns insufficient calories, and only makes you good at walking in circles.

Republicans are the people who say "If we're not going to change our workout regimen, we might as well cut government caloric intake to 2,000 calories per day, and stop walking circles". Democrats are the people who say "I can't believe Republicans think there is something better than walking in circles".

Explaining government nutritional science to American liberals is like trying to fell Ironbark with a dull spoon. Of course liberals think Republicans are anorexics. Anyone who stands between them and the buffet is fascist pig...

This is an incredibly bad set of metaphorical imagery for a few reasons, not the least of which is that society is not a metabolic organism; it does not function in predictable ways - contra the Enlightenment-era tendency to view society through a framework of essentially static images - and so there is no equivalences to 'exercise', 'overeating', 'caloric intake control', and so on. The economy is not physiological.

This is a problem with most contemporary political frameworks, and I genuinely think a lot of problems could be solved if we simply had a different imaginary vocabulary to express them in. My conception of things is much closer to smoke circulating in a fan blade, or maybe some of the more chaotic concepts emerging out of quantum physics. Conceiving of society as an essentially predictable pattern of cause-and-effect correlations is so eighteenth century.

I get the feeling I'm going to be featured a lot in this thread.

That's not really a good sign. Also (for some constructive criticism), comparing economics to "some of the more chaotic concepts emerging out of quantum physics" is probably the worst metaphor I've ever seen. The point of metaphors and suchlike is to make things easier to understand, hence AD's admittedly flawed cake rant, and quantum physics is probably the single hardest thing to understand in the world.
17  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 1888 U.S. Presidential Election on: April 19, 2014, 08:55:25 pm
Not-Cleveland-mentum!
18  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: Northeast Assembly Election, April 2014 on: April 19, 2014, 08:54:48 pm
1. SWE
2. WI: SirNick
3. WI: BaconBacon96
4. WI: Nathan
5. WI: Alfred F. Jones
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Walker not having a college degree is going to crush him in crucial swing areas on: April 19, 2014, 10:53:13 am
Jesus didn't have a college degree.
20  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Hide behind the poll: have you ever taken a picture of your genitals? on: April 19, 2014, 10:46:46 am
...I'm pretty sure this thread is not about taking a picture for your own weird personal amusement, guys.

Yes, and I have also filmed them.

Still surprised you're considered the forum's creep?

...I mean it's no less creepy than the lot of them. But I mean what do you do with the pictures? Send them to women? Why? Why would you do something like that??? In what context- as some sort of peverted mating ritual? To attract, but before or after something has been established? After, somewhat understandable, but before... how is that not creepy? I mean seriously what utility are you deriving from those pictures?

Simfan I understand you are not in touch with 21st *century culture but jesus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexting

Jeez Wikipedia thanks for making me look like some sort of inept bizzare freak:

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18 to 24-year-olds are the age group most likely to partake in sexting. Of this age group, 70 percent of people receive suggestive photos and messages. Men are more likely to send and receive intimate information than women. 61 percent of men sext while 48 percent of women do.


It seems things are now so peverted 61 and 48 average to 70 these days.

The 70% is just for young'uns; 61% and 48% of all men and women, respectively, have sexted.
21  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: More than 100 hate-crime murders linked to single website, report finds on: April 19, 2014, 10:41:14 am
Huh. We all knew Stormfront was ed up, but I certainly didn't know Anders Behring Breivik was a poster.
22  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 1888 U.S. Presidential Election on: April 19, 2014, 10:39:53 am
By the way, if this 12-12-11 thing keeps up, I think Vance/Smith would be a nice compromise that would please everyone except Those People.
23  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 1888 U.S. Presidential Election on: April 19, 2014, 10:38:49 am
Goddammit, it's 12-11-11! How about we vote for the next one of Vance or Custer to get a vote?

Nah, its going to the House regardless.

Not if we shoot Cleveland!
24  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 1888 U.S. Presidential Election on: April 18, 2014, 11:29:07 pm
It was Custer. I guess go Custer.
25  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: April 2014 At-Large Senate Debate on: April 18, 2014, 11:28:18 pm
QUESTION 3: What is something unique - in terms of expertise, personality, ideology, or any other kind of perspective - that you would bring to the Senate?

Well, I can't presume of having Alfred's Shakespearean eloquence

Why, thank you, Lumine, I try my best.
In fact, I'm doing this now just for you!
I'll have to leave and take now to my bed,
But I'll attempt to answer this tomorrow.
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