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Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Oldiesfreak1854 Memorial Deluge of Absurdity, Ignorance, and Bad Posts
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on: January 27, 2013, 08:21:35 pm
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I don't think a country that supports universal health care, the AWB, abortion rights, and higher taxes while opposing cuts to Medicare and SS is "center-right".
Tell me, Alfred, how many Americans in the latest polling have agreed with the statement "I would like my taxes to be higher."? Warren Buffett, at least. And higher taxes doesn't mean higher taxes on middle-class Americans; people want to raise taxes on the rich, and that counts.
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Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Oldiesfreak1854 Memorial Deluge of Absurdity, Ignorance, and Bad Posts
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on: January 27, 2013, 06:29:22 pm
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Last time I checked, President Bush wasn't a bad president. I'm a Democrat, but IMO, he was the better person to handle 9/11. President Bush was also far from "dumb". He is extremely intelligent (almost too much for his own good). He wasn't a great president, but he wasn't a bad president, either. I think history will smile on his administration overall. Iraq was not a mistake, initially, it was IMPERATIVE to get Saddam Hussein out of there. The problem lies in not being prepared for such a quick and decisive victory over the Saddam regime. Al Gore would have been alright, but he's just not a likeable guy. President Obama, OTOH, is very likeable and very intelligtent. Al Gore needs to stay in the background, otherwise he will pretty much guarantee a Republican will be inaugurated on January 20, 2017. Also, Hillary is far from a guarantee. Even if she does run, she's not automatically going to win. America is still a center-right country.
Nobody, and I mean nobody, can call George W. Bush dumb and be correct.
That's not an absurd, ignorant, or bad post because it's true, aside from America being a center-right country (it's actually center-left). No, America defiantly a center-right country... I don't think a country that supports universal health care, the AWB, abortion rights, and higher taxes while opposing cuts to Medicare and SS is "center-right".
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Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Oldiesfreak1854 Memorial Deluge of Absurdity, Ignorance, and Bad Posts
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on: January 26, 2013, 05:35:39 pm
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There's no way to argue rationally with someone who seriously thinks that, in the 21st century, our sole defense against tyranny is represented by some random nutjob with his rifle that Americans shouldn't have our right to keep and bear arms. There's nothing to do but laugh (or cry, depending on the mood).
Sam, what Jbrase and many others have said is not simply that Americans have the right to own a gun. I think they should have that right. What Jbrase said is that privately owned guns protect Americans from tyranny, and that's not true. The government isn't waiting with bated breath for everyone to put down their guns so that it can send us all to death camps.
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Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / NE1: Northeast No Tax Accounts Act
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on: January 26, 2013, 05:25:31 pm
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Northeast No Tax Accounts Act
To encourage people to save and let them enjoy the fruits of their savings Be it enacted by the Assembly of the Northeast region convened
Section 1. Title 1. This legislation may be titled: Northeast No Tax Accounts Act.
Section 2. Basic 1. No Tax Accounts can be offered by financial institutions operating in the region starting in March 2013. 2. All citizens aged 18 years old or older are eligible to open a No Tax Account. Section 3. Contribution and Investment 1. Investments allowed in No Tax Accounts are cash, certificate of deposits, bonds, mutual funds and shares in companies listed on a stock exchange. 2. Income generated inside the account (interest, capital gain or dividend) is not taxed. 3. The maximum contribution allowed every fiscal period is $2,500 for everyone 18 years old or older. 4. The amount of contribution allowed in one period not used by a person is added to the contribution allowed of the following period.
Section 4. Withdrawal 1. A withdrawal from the account is considered non taxable income. 2. A withdrawal is allowed at any time (subject to the liquidity of the type of investment held) and a sum equal to the withdrawal can be put back in the account only in the next fiscal period and in addition to the regular contribution allowed in the period. 3. The death of an account holder is considered like a withdrawal. Sponsor: Poirot Speak, Poirot, you have 24 hours. Debate time will last 72 hours total.
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Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: List of Alternate Presidents
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on: January 25, 2013, 10:25:44 pm
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Hackish List, according to Goldwater's Rules I'll do every election, just for fun. A number of the early ones will be the same, but let's do this anyway.
1. George Washington (I-VA)/John Adams (F-MA) 1789-1797 2. John Adams (F-MA)/Charles Cotesworth Pinckney (F-SC) 1797-1801 3. Thomas Jefferson (DR-VA)/George Clinton (DR-NY) 1801-1809 4. George Clinton (DR-NY)/James Madison (DR-VA) 1809-1812 5. James Madison (DR-VA)/vacant, Elbridge Gerry (DR-MA), vacant 1812-1817 6. John Quincy Adams (DR/-MA)/James Monroe (DR-VA), 1817-1825 7. William H. Crawford (DR/D-GA)/Nathaniel Macon (DR-GA) 1825-1829 8. Martin Van Buren (D-NY)/Andrew Jackson (D-TN) 1829-1837 9. James K. Polk (D-TN)/William L. Marcy (D-NY) 1837-1841 10. William Henry Harrison (W-OH)/Daniel Webster (W-MA) 1841 11. Daniel Webster (W-MA)/vacant 1841-1845 12. James K. Polk (D-TN)/Lewis Cass (D-MI) 1845-1849 13. Zachary Taylor (W-LA)/Millard Fillmore (W-NY) 1849-1853 14. Lewis Cass (D-MI)/Franklin Pierce (D-NH) 1853-1861 15. Abraham Lincoln (R-IL)/William H. Seward (R-NY) 1861-1869 16. Ulysses S. Grant (R-IL)/Schuyler Cofax (R-IN) 1869-1877 17. John H. Hartranft (R-PA)/Rutherford B. Hayes (R-OH) 1877-1881 18. John Sherman (R-OH)/Chester Alan Arthur (R-NY) 1881-1885 19. S. Grover Cleveland (D-NY)/Thomas Hendricks (D-IN), vacant 1885-1889 20. John Sherman (R-OH)/Levi P. Morton (R-NY) 1889-1893 21. S. Grover Cleveland (D-NY)/Adlai E. Stevenson I (D-IL) 1893-1897 22. William McKinley (R-OH)/Theodore Roosevelt (R-NY) 1897-1905 23. Theodore Roosevelt (R-NY)/Charles W. Fairbanks (R-IN) 1905-1909 24. Charles W. Fairbanks (R-IN)/Joseph B. Foraker (R-OH) 1909-1913 25. Carter Glass (D-VA)/Thomas R. Marshall (D-IN) 1913-1921 26. Warren G. Harding (R-OH)/J. Calvin Coolidge (R-MA) 1921-1923 27. J. Calvin Coolidge (R-MA)/vacant, Herbert C. Hoover (R-CA) 1923-1933 28. Herbert C. Hoover (R-CA)/vacant 1933 29. Alfred E. Smith (D-NY)/John Nance Garner (D-TX) 1933-1941 30. Cordell Hull (D-TN)/Harry S. Truman (D-MO) 1941-1945 31. Harry S. Truman (D-MO)/Alben W. Barkely (D-KY) 1945-1953 32. Dwight D. Eisenhower (R-KS)/Richard M. Nixon (R-CA) 1953-1961 33. John F. Kennedy (D-MA)/Stuart Symington (D-MO) 1961-1963 34. Stuart Symington (D-MO)/vacant, George Smathers (D-FL) 1963-1969 35. Barry M. Goldwater (R-AZ)/John G. Tower (R-TX) 1969-1977 36. Henry M. "Scoop" Jackson (D-WA)/James Earl Carter (D-GA) 1977-1981 37. Ronald W. Reagan (R-CA)/George H.W. Bush (R-TX) 1981-1989 38. George H.W. Bush (R-TX)/Jack F. Kemp (R-NY) 1989-1993 39. Edmund G. "Jerry" Brown (D-CA)/Paul Tsongas (D-MA), vacant, William J. Clinton (D-AR) 1993-2001 40. Orrin Hatch (R-UT)/John Ellis Bush (R-FL) 2001-2009 41. James Webb (D-VA)/Joseph R. Biden (D-DE) 2009-Present
What, may I ask, are Goldwater's rules?
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