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1676  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 1892 Conventions on: April 30, 2014, 05:27:47 am
We want Bull-Moose!

Theoretically, we could have a Whig-PA merger soon and then run TR on their ticket sometime down the line for maximum Roosevelt potential. Then again, we probably shouldn't and wouldn't.
1677  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 1892 Conventions on: April 29, 2014, 09:53:52 pm
Pingree I guess. Not really enthusiastic about anyone.

I'm not sure why he isn't getting more support, given that he's basically TR.
I prefer him as a candidate, but I feel like he'll, or TR, will be better suited for election in 1896 against a unified People's Alliance and Whig party.

Has Dallas even said what party TR is? He's a New Yorker, so that makes me think Unionist, but I'm not entirely sure...
1678  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: The Armenian Genocide on: April 29, 2014, 09:52:39 pm
Moral reasons aside for a moment, refusing to acknowledge an obvious historical fact is pretty stupid.

Does Congress have to issue an official statement addressing all historical facts? When can we expect a resolution acknowledging the Czarist ethnic cleansing of Circassians or the supression of the Indian rebellion?

Considering the U.S. government had been, for political reasons, pretending for years the slaughter of 1.5 million people because of their nationality was something else than "genocide", I'd say yes, that would be nice.

Could you provide a source for the U.S. government actively engaging in genocide denial, as opposed to merely not discouraging it by their ally?

I'm sure Andrew Jackson didn't consider himself genocidal.
What the Hell does that have to do with anything? Your post is a massive strawman.

Jackson committed a genocide, did he not? While the concept of genocide didn't exist at the time, I'm going to assume he didn't think what he did fit was some sort of hugely morally objectionable act, seeing as he did it.
1679  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: How many hierarchical levels of government should there be? on: April 29, 2014, 09:32:19 pm
Four, with the national government being as weak as possible. The concept of international government is vile.

In what way?
1680  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: The Armenian Genocide on: April 29, 2014, 09:30:57 pm
Moral reasons aside for a moment, refusing to acknowledge an obvious historical fact is pretty stupid.

Does Congress have to issue an official statement addressing all historical facts? When can we expect a resolution acknowledging the Czarist ethnic cleansing of Circassians or the supression of the Indian rebellion?

Considering the U.S. government had been, for political reasons, pretending for years the slaughter of 1.5 million people because of their nationality was something else than "genocide", I'd say yes, that would be nice.

Could you provide a source for the U.S. government actively engaging in genocide denial, as opposed to merely not discouraging it by their ally?

I'm sure Andrew Jackson didn't consider himself genocidal.
1681  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What were some misconceptions you had about the world when you were a child? on: April 29, 2014, 08:48:32 pm
I thought bisexual people where girls who acted like boys or boys who acted like girls.

I thought they were intersex.
1682  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of TNF on: April 29, 2014, 08:46:36 pm
Sometimes is a bit weird, but he's an FF and a gentleman.
1683  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Cheech and Chong Act (Debating) on: April 29, 2014, 02:22:05 pm
Wait, are average Joes not allowed to grow pot? Guess I have some evidence to hide...
1684  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Give Peace a Chance Act of 2014 (Debating) on: April 29, 2014, 02:20:57 pm
I assume we'll end whatever sanctions we have and nominate Secretary Superique for the Nobel Peace Prize.
1685  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: The Duke-Scott Educating The People Reform (Debating) on: April 29, 2014, 02:19:26 pm
Quote from:  amendment offered
VI. Legal
1. This Act shall not provide a basis for any prosecution or penalty against any region, locality, school district or school employee.

What in the blazes? You've gone and taken the teeth out!
1686  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: General Senatorial Discussion on: April 29, 2014, 02:18:28 pm
Does it make sense to allow Senators-elect to allow Senators-elect to post in the legislation introduction thread?  I was thinking of putting forward an amendment to the OSPR for this, but I'm not sure how much would need to be changed or if it is even practical.

I suppose we could just postpone whatever bill they introduce until they are actually sworn in; if they're going to end up sponsoring the bill and suchlike, they should have the right to introduce it.
1687  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Long-term Unemployment Relief Act (Amendment Vote Tied) on: April 29, 2014, 05:15:10 am
TNF already objected, but I'm not sure that counts so I'm objecting on his behalf (still with the intent of voting for this).
1688  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Give Peace a Chance Act of 2014 (Debating) on: April 29, 2014, 05:12:36 am
Is this the point where I or someone else motions to table?
1689  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: PPP will poll Arkansas this weekend ! on: April 29, 2014, 05:09:38 am
How associated with Arkansas are the Clintons nowadays? Do they still even live there?
1690  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Should unauthorized immigrants be able to get drivers licenses? on: April 28, 2014, 11:05:05 pm
I don't see why not.
1691  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 1888 U.S. House Vote, Round 2 on: April 28, 2014, 11:04:42 pm
Hurray for Vance! Zeb will lead us to prosperity!

Don't forget Joe! President Smith will break down all religious barriers, except for those filthy papists!

Getting a little ahead of yourself, aren't you?

Only one election. A man can dream, after all. Also, are we going forward with a Whig-PA merger?

A Whig-PA merger can be done, but I don't wish to do it by fiat. (See: 1884 Conventions.)

No fiat was intended, my good friend. I was simply asking if our Whiggish brethren would like to follow in the footsteps of their Radical brothers.

I'd strongly support a merger, maybe we can call the party something new though if the merger succeeds.  I think the Farmer-Labor party has a nice ring to it Wink

But then would Debs and Co. be in the party? Then we'd have some sort of Farmer-Labor and Socialist Labor party thing, and that would be weird. I suppose we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.
The Urban-Frontier Party?

Now that's just crazy talk. What about the Party of Urban-Frontier Fellowship (Glorious Leader Eugene Debs, PUFF-IN)?
1692  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Could Sean Parnell be a 2016 player? on: April 28, 2014, 11:02:55 pm
What has he done?
1693  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 1888 U.S. House Vote, Round 2 on: April 28, 2014, 10:27:50 pm
Hurray for Vance! Zeb will lead us to prosperity!

Don't forget Joe! President Smith will break down all religious barriers, except for those filthy papists!

Getting a little ahead of yourself, aren't you?

Only one election. A man can dream, after all. Also, are we going forward with a Whig-PA merger?

A Whig-PA merger can be done, but I don't wish to do it by fiat. (See: 1884 Conventions.)

No fiat was intended, my good friend. I was simply asking if our Whiggish brethren would like to follow in the footsteps of their Radical brothers.

I'd strongly support a merger, maybe we can call the party something new though if the merger succeeds.  I think the Farmer-Labor party has a nice ring to it Wink

But then would Debs and Co. be in the party? Then we'd have some sort of Farmer-Labor and Socialist Labor party thing, and that would be weird. I suppose we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.
1694  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 1892 Conventions on: April 28, 2014, 10:23:22 pm
Blah blah blah Vance/Smith. Note that Vance is due for a nasty stroke soon, so unless we get the fourth President Adams and seventh Adams term the PA and Whigs are picking two Presidents. I'm sure "President Joseph Smith" will ring sweetly in Mr. Zioneer's ears as we send him off for basically forever.
1695  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 1888 U.S. House Vote, Round 2 on: April 28, 2014, 04:26:45 pm
Hurray for Vance! Zeb will lead us to prosperity!

Don't forget Joe! President Smith will break down all religious barriers, except for those filthy papists!

Getting a little ahead of yourself, aren't you?

Only one election. A man can dream, after all. Also, are we going forward with a Whig-PA merger?

A Whig-PA merger can be done, but I don't wish to do it by fiat. (See: 1884 Conventions.)

No fiat was intended, my good friend. I was simply asking if our Whiggish brethren would like to follow in the footsteps of their Radical brothers.
1696  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 1888 U.S. House Vote, Round 2 on: April 28, 2014, 04:10:07 pm
Hurray for Vance! Zeb will lead us to prosperity!

Don't forget Joe! President Smith will break down all religious barriers, except for those filthy papists!

Getting a little ahead of yourself, aren't you?

Only one election. A man can dream, after all. Also, are we going forward with a Whig-PA merger?
1697  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Do you support Private or for-profit Prisons? on: April 28, 2014, 04:08:23 pm
Yes

... [Personal attack redacted by Torie]

What on God's green Earth gave you the idea that you can levy personal attacks on Boards for which I am responsible, and get away with it?  Your post was reported. Don't ever do it again please within my range of jurisdiction. I will give you PM notice of this comment. Thanks.

Torie.
1698  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 1888 U.S. Presidential Election on: April 28, 2014, 03:25:40 pm
Ooh, I like the purple.
1699  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Do you support Private or for-profit Prisons? on: April 28, 2014, 03:21:44 pm
My gut says "no", but bureaucratic lobbying has the same corrupt incentives as private sector lobbying. "Bribes" are perhaps the only additional peril associated with private prisons.

And boy are they perilous.
1700  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: The Save Our Sharks Act of 2014 (At Final Vote) on: April 28, 2014, 03:01:25 pm
I support the ban on shark finning, but a lot of species, not just sharks, face threats from overfishing in general, and I'm not sure a complete ban on all sharks species regardless of their endangered/threatened status is the right approach. 


Nay

So you're going to potentially allow more sharks to die because this bill doesn't go far enough?

If sharks that have relatively healthy populations now are not going to be able to be fished, meanwhile some of the species the sharks are eating are already threatened by overfishing, can you see how that can be a problem?

I don't think the solution to the decline of fish populations is to kill sharks - I'm pretty sure humans are the bigger predators.
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