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1676  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Long-term Unemployment Relief Act (Debating) on: May 02, 2014, 12:05:10 pm
I object to that amendment.
1677  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: The Double Jeopardy Is OK...Take Two (At Final Vote) on: May 02, 2014, 12:02:28 pm
Abstain.
1678  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 1892 U.S. Presidential Election on: May 02, 2014, 12:01:17 pm
1679  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Long-term Unemployment Relief Act (Debating) on: May 01, 2014, 08:29:55 pm
I shall not stand to see this passed, and will fight with every breath in my body against Sen. Yankee's crusade against the working class.
1680  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: The Double Jeopardy Is OK...Take Two (Debating) on: May 01, 2014, 08:28:36 pm
Many of you have subscribed to a viewpoint here.  Are we ready for a vote?

I think we're all pretty set in stone. I motion for a final vote.
1681  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Proportional Representation Act Fix of 2014 (Debating) on: May 01, 2014, 08:27:42 pm
Motion to go to a final vote?

My amendment needs to be considered first. It adds the necessary text instructions to make this kind of combined Amendment/legislative Act possible.

Terribly sorry, I thought your amendment was the one being adopted just then.
1682  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Amendment to the Paid Leave Act of 2013 (Debating) on: May 01, 2014, 08:26:35 pm
Motion to move to a final vote.
1683  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Cooperative Development Act of 2014 (Debating) on: May 01, 2014, 08:25:59 pm
Aye.
1684  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Mideast Workingman's Paper on: May 01, 2014, 08:23:34 pm
10. Government should feel more like family.

My family provides for my education and health and doesn't care that I'm gay.
1685  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Opinion of Pope Adrian IV on: May 01, 2014, 06:01:04 am
Arguably one of the worst Popes, next to whoever the hell did the Crusades.

That'd be Urban II for you. Voted HP, though he's not one of the worst - Paul II's pretty bad, for example.

Something I just noticed, Adrian was Pope for a little bit less than five years and Paul II was Pope for seven years.  That is about the length between a one term and a two term president.

And just think, they did that much damage in that short of a time.  If only Presidents were that effective.

Gough Whitlam was Australian PM for three years and look at him.
1686  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: The Duke-Scott Educating The People Reform (Debating) on: May 01, 2014, 06:00:23 am
Quote from:  amendment offered
VI. Legal
1. This Act shall not provide a basis for any prosecution or penalty against any region, locality, school district or school employee.

What in the blazes? You've gone and taken the teeth out!

I don't really think that punishing districts and teachers for not following our druthers is what Federal education policy should be about. But if you do, what punishment do you recommend?   

I'm not that up on education policy/school incentives, but I do think there should be punishments for schools failing to provide lunch (although I don't think a one-size-fits-all approach would work). Perhaps the regions or states or other such lower tier of government would be the carriers out of punishment?

Regions carry out regional law, not federal law.  And that is where for the most part school policy  should stay.   If we want students to be provided with lunches, we can fund it.  In fact we do under the 2007 Education Reform Act (one of the few worthwhile aspects of that law).  On the whole, regions have traditionally provided the majority of funding for education.  Unless we are going to spend the dough to change that equation, and be responsible to our constituents for that money, we have no business dictating to the regions how to run every aspect of the schools.

Now, this is what's called a strawman, Senator. I don't want the federal government to run "every aspect of the schools", I just don't think it's unreasonable to expect all schools nationwide to cover mental health care and guidance counselors.
1687  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Cooperative Development Act of 2014 (Debating) on: May 01, 2014, 05:44:11 am
Are worker cooperatives classified as businesses under Atlasian law?
1688  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Proportional Representation Act Fix of 2014 (Debating) on: May 01, 2014, 05:42:53 am
Motion to go to a final vote?
1689  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Mideast Workingman's Paper on: May 01, 2014, 05:41:34 am
This is a damn good paper. *waves red flag and stabs CEO*
1690  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Opinion of Pope Adrian IV on: April 30, 2014, 10:38:15 pm
Arguably one of the worst Popes, next to whoever the hell did the Crusades.

That'd be Urban II for you. Voted HP, though he's not one of the worst - Paul II's pretty bad, for example.
1691  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Do you support Private or for-profit Prisons? on: April 30, 2014, 10:29:34 pm
Absolutely I would. And I'd hold that anyone willing to destroy the environment in the name of energy production has no ground to object to its destruction in the name of social amelioration. Better the Alaskan wilderness be homesteaded and improved by those who would otherwise waste away in captivity than be exploited by Exxon.

You do realize no one has made that argument, right?
1692  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Cooperative Development Act of 2014 (Debating) on: April 30, 2014, 09:44:39 pm
I object. I don't want these cooperatives to be so dependent on large sums of government money.

How else do you propose we get them off the ground? They need funding, after all.
1693  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Give Peace a Chance Act of 2014 (At Final Vote) on: April 30, 2014, 09:43:49 pm
Nay.
1694  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: The Duke-Scott Educating The People Reform (Debating) on: April 30, 2014, 09:42:21 pm
Quote from:  amendment offered
VI. Legal
1. This Act shall not provide a basis for any prosecution or penalty against any region, locality, school district or school employee.

What in the blazes? You've gone and taken the teeth out!

I don't really think that punishing districts and teachers for not following our druthers is what Federal education policy should be about. But if you do, what punishment do you recommend?   

I'm not that up on education policy/school incentives, but I do think there should be punishments for schools failing to provide lunch (although I don't think a one-size-fits-all approach would work). Perhaps the regions or states or other such lower tier of government would be the carriers out of punishment?
1695  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: The Double Jeopardy Is OK...Take Two (Debating) on: April 30, 2014, 09:38:59 pm
I'm in the DC/Goldwater/Lumine camp (Never thought I'd say that sentence). While I do have reservations about people taking each other to court over and over again, I do think new crime-related evidence should be usable in a new trial if a free man (or woman) is revealed to be a murderer or an incarcerated man (or woman) is revealed to be innocent.
1696  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: The Public means Public Act (Debating) on: April 30, 2014, 04:48:22 pm
I guess Nay.
1697  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: Long-term Unemployment Relief Act (Amendment at Vote) on: April 30, 2014, 04:44:01 pm
Aye.
1698  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 1892 Conventions on: April 30, 2014, 12:33:35 pm
We want Bull-Moose!

Theoretically, we could have a Whig-PA merger soon and then run TR on their ticket sometime down the line for maximum Roosevelt potential. Then again, we probably shouldn't and wouldn't.

TR is a non-starter for me, as a presidential or vice-presidential nominee.  I don't see any reason to put that corporatist, war-mongerering bigot on any ticket.  His one real redeeming policy was his environmentalism, but we can get that elsewhere without nominating such an odious individual.  I should add that IRL, Henry Clay Frick was even quoted as saying "He got down on his knees to us.  We bought the son of a bitch."  The context of that quote was about Roosevelt asking Frick for money to ensure that he carried New York in the 1904 Presidential election.  Besides, the rural farmer and the urban worker must rise up and unite against the robber barons Wink

Bryan/Debs 6ever?
1699  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 1892 Conventions on: April 30, 2014, 05:27:47 am
We want Bull-Moose!

Theoretically, we could have a Whig-PA merger soon and then run TR on their ticket sometime down the line for maximum Roosevelt potential. Then again, we probably shouldn't and wouldn't.
1700  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 1892 Conventions on: April 29, 2014, 09:53:52 pm
Pingree I guess. Not really enthusiastic about anyone.

I'm not sure why he isn't getting more support, given that he's basically TR.
I prefer him as a candidate, but I feel like he'll, or TR, will be better suited for election in 1896 against a unified People's Alliance and Whig party.

Has Dallas even said what party TR is? He's a New Yorker, so that makes me think Unionist, but I'm not entirely sure...
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