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76  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: NE2: Northeast Environment Act on: December 19, 2013, 07:11:20 am
Aye
77  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Inside the Saudi 9/11 coverup on: December 18, 2013, 01:45:07 am
Another nail in the coffin that is Bush's legacy? No wonder Obama started to make the United States more independent from Middle Eastern oil.
78  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: NE2: Northeast Environment Act on: December 17, 2013, 11:47:42 pm
Aye
79  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Candidate Declaration Thread on: December 17, 2013, 11:45:24 pm
I will run for a full term in the Northeast Assembly.
80  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Re: If Romney is the GOP nominee in 2008….? on: December 17, 2013, 03:31:02 pm
Why would Obama lose New Hampshire? He didn't in 2012 against Romney.

The rest of your statement about Santorum is best be ignored.
81  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Official Mr. X for At-Large Senate Campaign Office on: December 17, 2013, 10:19:20 am
Congrats Mr X Smiley
82  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: NE2: Northeast Environment Act on: December 16, 2013, 10:05:38 am
It's just a number, of course. They might need more people, or less. Those 250 employees was just number the aim for. It should not be taken as: we are going to hire 250 people and then start looking for work to do.
83  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: NE2: Northeast Environment Act on: December 16, 2013, 08:08:20 am
We also going to need more people to manage to parks on the ground (Park Rangers). The 250 employees are for administration, finance, HR and things like that. They are support staff. Adding parks can start right away.
84  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: NE3: November-February Northeast Budget FY2013 on: December 16, 2013, 08:05:44 am
Good budget. No problems.
85  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Camelot Rises: 1960 and On on: December 15, 2013, 02:31:56 pm
Maryland remains blank and is not counted in your Electoral College count. So, with Hillary winning Maryland, she is at 268.

Sorry about that, should be fixed up now.

Yes, it is. Great timeline you are making. Really love it.
86  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Camelot Rises: 1960 and On on: December 15, 2013, 02:21:22 pm
Maryland remains blank and is not counted in your Electoral College count. So, with Hillary winning Maryland, she is at 268.
87  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: NE1: The Role of the Speaker Amendment on: December 15, 2013, 02:14:00 pm
Is this not to restrictive? The Lieutenant Governor is also a member of the Assembly, so I think he or she should be able to run for Speaker as well. Otherwise, the job of LG is pretty empty.

I am fine with the CJO opening the vote for the Speakership. It makes sure that a situation like that with Spenster does not happen again.
88  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: NE2: Northeast Environment Act on: December 15, 2013, 02:10:29 pm
I can life with the amendment. But do we have a leadership within these departments. We don't have any cabinet secretaries there.
89  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: NE2: Northeast Environment Act on: December 15, 2013, 06:10:54 am
How much will this cost?

At the start this bill will not cost that much. Of course, once park are being established the costs will rise. But we could amend the bill and require all people to pay for park entrance.
Sorry to intrude, but as the sponsor of a similar bill in the Pacific, I must point out that these fines will discourage park attendance, especially for those with low income.

Too many people in a Park might endangered it. So less people coming to a Park is not such a bad thing. And the Government can create a program to get poor people access to a Park from time to time.
90  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: NE2: Northeast Environment Act on: December 14, 2013, 08:50:32 pm
Quote from: Northeast Representative Earthling
2. The 250 employees is a start, to set up the Regional Park Service and start creating the parks.
91  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Kentuckians are welfare queens and they're in denial about it on: December 14, 2013, 08:20:42 pm
It's probably the same in states like Mississippi, Arkansas, West Virginia and some others.
92  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: NE2: Northeast Environment Act on: December 14, 2013, 07:37:58 pm
Yes, I am aware that, in the grand scheme of things, the costs of this bill will relatively small. However, I would still like concrete numbers, either from GM estimates or a specific amount set in the  bill, before I vote in favor of it.

Also, the reason I didn't just get estimates from the GM myself is because I typicality consider it the responsibility of the bill's sponsor to find out the costs of his bill, again either by getting estimates from the GM or by setting aside a specific amount of money in the bill itself.

I understand that, so I will ask the GM for a estimation.

Personally, I think it won't cost more than about 150 to 200 million dollars. And that is at the top of my estimation. But the GM might come up with different numbers.
93  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: NE2: Northeast Environment Act on: December 14, 2013, 07:17:16 pm
I doubt it will cost billions.

For now, it only creates 250 new jobs and a new building to house these employees. So we are talking millions. Costs will rise once we are creating the Regional Parks and start hiring new people to man those Parks. But the costs can be reduced by asking people to pay for entrance to the Parks.
94  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: NE2: Northeast Environment Act on: December 14, 2013, 06:57:52 pm
If Goldwater wants that he can ask for one. I just gave my opinion about it.
95  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: NE2: Northeast Environment Act on: December 14, 2013, 06:50:38 pm
How much will this cost?

At the start this bill will not cost that much. Of course, once park are being established the costs will rise. But we could amend the bill and require all people to pay for park entrance.
96  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Ronald Reagan vs Nelson Mandela on: December 14, 2013, 06:14:08 pm
Mandela, duh
97  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of James Monroe on: December 14, 2013, 06:13:15 pm
Owned slaves=automatic HP.

Does that include the free blacks that also owned slaves?

I love how you basically assume he's okay with slavery as long as black people own other people.

I love how he assumes owning slaves makes someone an HP by default.

You are owning other human beings.

Nobody is defending the act of slavery here. It's just a bit ridiculous to slave owning as a factor in an opinion poll about someone born in the 18th century.

Agreed. Most of the 18th century politicians in the western world would be horrible racist scumbags by todays standards. But applying modern standards is not fair to those people.
It's not like there were any people in the time period who opposed slavery, or entire states where it was abolished...
The very next president we'll vote on was an abolitionist as well…

True. But being opposed to slavery did not say you were pro civil-rights. Many people didn't like slavery as a institution, but they didn't like blacks either.

In many ways the Abraham Lincoln of 1860 would be considered a horrible racist in our time, while in 1860 he was a progressive on the issue of slavery.

Not exactly. He ran as a much more subdued candidate on the issue in contrast to Fremont in 1856 and how Seward and Chase likely would have been had they been nominated.

Lincoln did not really care about slavery at the start of the Civil War. He evolved at the issue during his Presidency, but he did not start as the man who would emancipate the slaves.
98  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of James Monroe on: December 14, 2013, 06:11:08 pm
Owned slaves=automatic HP.o

Does that include the free blacks that also owned slaves?

I love how you basically assume he's okay with slavery as long as black people own other people.

I love how he assumes owning slaves makes someone an HP by default.

You are owning other human beings.

Nobody is defending the act of slavery here. It's just a bit ridiculous to slave owning as a factor in an opinion poll about someone born in the 18th century.

Agreed. Most of the 18th century politicians in the western world would be horrible racist scumbags by todays standards. But applying modern standards is not fair to those people.
It's not like there were any people in the time period who opposed slavery, or entire states where it was abolished...
The very next president we'll vote on was an abolitionist as well…

True. But being opposed to slavery did not say you were pro civil-rights. Many people didn't like slavery as a institution, but they didn't like blacks either.

In many ways the Abraham Lincoln of 1860 would be considered a horrible racist in our time, while in 1860 he was a progressive on the issue of slavery.
That's not the issue though. Slavery was a controversial issue at the time of Monroe's presidency, so calling him an HP for owning slaves is not setting him to the modern standard.

It wasn't that controversial around 1820. Slavery was still pretty normal. And the American Civil War started 30 years after he died. He was hardly the exception. And I don't believe that being a slave-owner in the early 19th century makes you a immediate horrible person.
Slavery was already illegal in your state during Monroe's presidency. It was simply a wedge issue that America was divided on for a long period of time. It's not just that Monroe was a slave owner, but since he owned slaves, he opposed prohibition of it, which makes someone an HP at a time when states were banning slavery.

You do understand that I am not really from Vermont. I am from the Netherlands and I am only using Vermont because of the Atlasia game.

And let there be no misunderstanding, I hate slavery and think it's morally wrong on every level. But believing that Monroe is a horrible person just because he owned slaves is not right in my opinion. Many early presidents owned slaves at one point during their lives. Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Jackson, Harrison, Tyler, Polk, it was normal. Monroe doesn't stand out in that regard.
99  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of James Monroe on: December 14, 2013, 02:52:20 pm
Owned slaves=automatic HP.o

Does that include the free blacks that also owned slaves?

I love how you basically assume he's okay with slavery as long as black people own other people.

I love how he assumes owning slaves makes someone an HP by default.

You are owning other human beings.

Nobody is defending the act of slavery here. It's just a bit ridiculous to slave owning as a factor in an opinion poll about someone born in the 18th century.

Agreed. Most of the 18th century politicians in the western world would be horrible racist scumbags by todays standards. But applying modern standards is not fair to those people.
It's not like there were any people in the time period who opposed slavery, or entire states where it was abolished...
The very next president we'll vote on was an abolitionist as well…

True. But being opposed to slavery did not say you were pro civil-rights. Many people didn't like slavery as a institution, but they didn't like blacks either.

In many ways the Abraham Lincoln of 1860 would be considered a horrible racist in our time, while in 1860 he was a progressive on the issue of slavery.
That's not the issue though. Slavery was a controversial issue at the time of Monroe's presidency, so calling him an HP for owning slaves is not setting him to the modern standard.

It wasn't that controversial around 1820. Slavery was still pretty normal. And the American Civil War started 30 years after he died. He was hardly the exception. And I don't believe that being a slave-owner in the early 19th century makes you a immediate horrible person.
100  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of James Monroe on: December 14, 2013, 08:01:59 am
Owned slaves=automatic HP.

Does that include the free blacks that also owned slaves?

I love how you basically assume he's okay with slavery as long as black people own other people.

I love how he assumes owning slaves makes someone an HP by default.

You are owning other human beings.

Nobody is defending the act of slavery here. It's just a bit ridiculous to slave owning as a factor in an opinion poll about someone born in the 18th century.

Agreed. Most of the 18th century politicians in the western world would be horrible racist scumbags by todays standards. But applying modern standards is not fair to those people.
It's not like there were any people in the time period who opposed slavery, or entire states where it was abolished...
The very next president we'll vote on was an abolitionist as well…

True. But being opposed to slavery did not say you were pro civil-rights. Many people didn't like slavery as a institution, but they didn't like blacks either.

In many ways the Abraham Lincoln of 1860 would be considered a horrible racist in our time, while in 1860 he was a progressive on the issue of slavery.
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