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1  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Gov. Chafee (I-RI) open to running as a Democrat in 2014 on: December 17, 2012, 03:00:46 am
Somewhere, the Republican Party of Rhode Island is singing a hallelujah chord.
2  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 20RP12 Rants About Gun Control on: December 17, 2012, 02:59:05 am
As I stated in the main thread in U.S. Discussion: how about we just make weapons training mandatory with gun purchase from now on, like I believe they do in England? It would certainly take spur-of-the-moment murders out of the question, as well as cut down on the amount of idiots in the U.S. ending up accidentally shooting themselves or others because they most likely had no idea which end the bullets came out of.

That wouldn't have stopped this tragedy, and most others as well. We need major cultural changes. The people need to take responsibility for their celebration of something so dangerous.

It would have made it much harder, and would dramatically slash the rate of spur-of-the-moment gun crime. Just because it may not necessarily have stopped this instance doesn't make it a bad plan. Driver's licenses haven't stopped traffic accidents, and yet no one argues against their existence.
I agree, it should be similar to driving. I actually took lessons a while back - I found it odd that I had to get my license before I could learn how to properly shoot instead of after.

However, I'm not quite sure how it addresses the issue - I don't think it would have mattered whether or not Adam Lanza knew how to properly shoot a gun. The problem was all in his head.

Thus the mental health argument I made near the top of the page. My theory on gun control just came into play because that seems to be what 20RP12 intended the thread to be about.
3  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 20RP12 Rants About Gun Control on: December 17, 2012, 02:35:40 am
As I stated in the main thread in U.S. Discussion: how about we just make weapons training mandatory with gun purchase from now on, like I believe they do in England? It would certainly take spur-of-the-moment murders out of the question, as well as cut down on the amount of idiots in the U.S. ending up accidentally shooting themselves or others because they most likely had no idea which end the bullets came out of.

That wouldn't have stopped this tragedy, and most others as well. We need major cultural changes. The people need to take responsibility for their celebration of something so dangerous.

It would have made it much harder, and would dramatically slash the rate of spur-of-the-moment gun crime. Just because it may not necessarily have stopped this instance doesn't make it a bad plan. Driver's licenses haven't stopped traffic accidents, and yet no one argues against their existence.
4  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of your state's SoS on: December 17, 2012, 02:16:16 am
Maxfield is hard to peg purely because he seemingly never does anything. Ever.
5  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Legitimately curious on: December 16, 2012, 06:55:23 pm
Nym hasn't posted on the forum since Dec. 12, and hasn't posted on the mod board since Dec. 8.

If you're really desperate to speed up the banning process, we could always put you on mod review until Nym returns.  Tongue

No, I'm almost pleasantly surprised. Tongue
6  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Legitimately curious on: December 16, 2012, 04:45:09 pm
Don't remind them, fnms. A lot of us appreciate your posts and want to continue doing so.

Be that as it may, I simply have to wonder. Perhaps it's because I haven't flown off the deep end lately? Tongue
7  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 20RP12 Rants About Gun Control on: December 16, 2012, 04:30:18 pm
As I stated in the main thread in U.S. Discussion: how about we just make weapons training mandatory with gun purchase from now on, like I believe they do in England? It would certainly take spur-of-the-moment murders out of the question, as well as cut down on the amount of idiots in the U.S. ending up accidentally shooting themselves or others because they most likely had no idea which end the bullets came out of.

Definitely. Don't just make it a matter of going to the store to pick one up and that's that, do whatever you want. It should be much more serious than that...a huge commitment, as it is with most of the people who really ought to own guns. Serious hunters or marksmen or whatever.

I would think mandatory waiting periods would suffice for that.

My fear in mandatory training is that it would allow killers to execute with much more precision.

Which is where mental health and prevention comes into play. How many craps does this country have to not give before we realize part of the problem is our atrocious attitude toward mental illness? If we were to try and take it just as seriously as the rest of the world, I'm confident the amount of people willing to do things like open fire on elementary schools in the first place would drop dramatically. Mental health needs more funding, bar none, even while most of our remaining budget needs hefty cuts.

Anyone who slips out of both of the above, we were never going to stop anyway. Even if we were to restrict the guns themselves, they would just find another way to get them. Just take Anders Breivik, or the Dunblane massacre.
8  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 20RP12 Rants About Gun Control on: December 16, 2012, 04:11:43 pm
As I stated in the main thread in U.S. Discussion: how about we just make weapons training mandatory with gun purchase from now on, like I believe they do in England? It would certainly take spur-of-the-moment murders out of the question, as well as cut down on the amount of idiots in the U.S. ending up accidentally shooting themselves or others because they most likely had no idea which end the bullets came out of.
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Senator Feinstein to Introduce Assault Weapons Ban on First Day of Congress. on: December 16, 2012, 03:59:36 pm
How about we just make weapons training mandatory with gun purchase like (I believe) they do in England? I hear they have fewer idiots managing to shoot themselves and others there.
10  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Legitimately curious on: December 16, 2012, 03:46:35 pm
Has Nym not been around lately? Because it's been three days after I received a promise to be rebanned. Tongue
11  Forum Community / Forum Community / It's been a while, friends. on: December 14, 2012, 11:15:49 pm
Hi. My name's SvenssonRS. Remember me?

I'm going to be honest with you, friends of the forum: I came back in disguise in February because I thought I might get a bit of enjoyment back out of the forum if I just tried to ignore what set me off. And, for a while, it worked. But then, slowly but surely, I started to come to the disheartening realization: not a single one of you hacks, on either the left or the right, had changed a bit, and had in fact worsened. And then came the shooting today.

See, on any other forum - say, perhaps a forum skewed less toward the gullible left - our dear old friend px75 would have been crucified where he stood for trying to make a political statement out of the deaths of children. But not here. Here he's defended and treated as even more of an upstanding citizen for it. To say I'm not disgusted by the reaction would be a lie, but to say I'm surprised would be naive.

So consider this my final farewell, denizens of the hellhole that is Atlas Forum. You won't be seeing me again this time - as of the events of today today, both on the forum and off, my patience with politics finally has finally worn thin enough for me to give up on the subject completely. I'd say it's been fun, but I'd be lying like a true politician.

So to Dallas, Jbrase, Kal, Miles, Nathan, and CountryRoads: thank you for having the decency and reason you always showed. And to my old friends px75, Lief, BRTD, opebo, and Marokai:  you too.[/i]

Adios, Atlas. Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night.
12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Shooting at CT elementary school leaves at least 27 dead, 18 of them children on: December 14, 2012, 02:48:25 pm
There's a video about media coverage of these events here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9jn_qUXtMk What are the chances of anything changing?

Almost zero, under a government as useless as ours.
13  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Thad Cochran on: December 13, 2012, 02:55:50 am
HP for all the federal funds he funneled out that could've been used to improve the decent states instead.
14  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Sandoval instills Obamacare Medicaid expansion on: December 12, 2012, 06:08:27 pm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/11/idaho-obamacare-insurance-exchange_n_2280509.html

This article says that Idaho, Iowa, Mississippi and New Mexico are also going to set up their own exchanges as well. Interesting note about Mississippi is Governor Phil Bryant doesn't' want it, but the Republican Insurance Commissioner is going to set one up anyway against the Governor's wishes.  

So along with Gov. Brian Sandoval, I guess we can now rule out Susana Martinez running for President -or in being appointed Veep.  

With the obstructionist facade falling this quickly, I don't see raving tea party goofs being a force to be reckoned with for much longer.
15  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Shooting At Oregon Mall: Two people shot, one dead. on: December 11, 2012, 08:08:23 pm
At least there were only two casualties this time, may the one dead rest in peace.
16  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: McConnell very unpopular but leads Dems. on: December 11, 2012, 06:27:41 pm
Primary challenge please!

It's Kentucky in a midterm. Whoever comes out of the Republican primary wins.

I know, I just want McConnell to lose. Whoever replaces him, even a teabagging nut, would be fine.

Fair enough, then.
17  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: McConnell very unpopular but leads Dems. on: December 11, 2012, 05:32:43 pm
Primary challenge please!

It's Kentucky in a midterm. Whoever comes out of the Republican primary wins.
18  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: It's official: even Glenn Beck supports gay marriage, now on: December 11, 2012, 03:34:25 pm
Well, he's always been a mixed bag of tinfoil-scented nuts, but at least he's fairly consistent along the line of civil liberties.
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: GOP Senator, a deficit hawk and tax reform champion: Let's Raise Rates on: December 10, 2012, 01:41:38 pm
I find it ceaselessly amusing how the left spent the entirety of the last four years whining about the GOP and their compromise-nothing-my-way-or-the-highway policy(which was very real, don't get me wrong), then turn around and do the exact same thing and brag about it once the election is over and expect everyone to like it.

Thank you, lefties, for once more proving why I left your party before you could suck me into your equal-but-opposite flavor of partisan retardation.
20  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Barry Goldwater on: December 09, 2012, 06:07:07 pm
Generally speaking, a huge FF socially and fiscally. However, his foreign policy was crap.
21  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinon of Angus King on: December 09, 2012, 06:03:20 pm
He was a great governor. Now we just have to wait and see if he maintains his moderation.
22  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: GOP Senator, a deficit hawk and tax reform champion: Let's Raise Rates on: December 09, 2012, 04:25:53 pm
Now that the GOP has gone flexible on taxes, we should go flexible on entitlements.  You cannot realistically expect to make a deal without giving them something in exchange, like the following:    

-enacting medical malpractice reform,
-increasing the Medicare and Social Security eligibility age to 70,
-reducing the tax break for employer-provided health insurance,
-capping Medicare growth beginning FY 2013,
-tightening eligibility for Social Security disability benefits,
-indexing Social Security benefits to inflation as opposed to wages,


F that!  The reason they're folding is they have no cards.  Give them as little as possible, and damn sure nothing like what you're describing.  There is no reason to give in on any of those things.

Even if it meant that entitlement spending -unreformed- would eventually bankrupt us, and crowd out other priorities that we would like to spend on, like education, infrastructure investment, and environmental protection?

inb4 he responds with his typical "print more money" argument, completely ignoring the fact that doing so would make the dollar even more worthless than it already is and hike prices on everything.
23  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: The Ride of the Nighthorse on: December 09, 2012, 03:33:27 pm
Oh, this is going to be good. Grin
24  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Would you go to a church if it was giving out free pot to first time visitors? on: December 09, 2012, 12:51:07 pm
I'm not relligious (quite opposite, actually), but I'd expect a church should be about something deeper than getting a free pot.

Seriously, does your "faith" have any real backbone at all?


"I'm not a religious, but I'll still take this opportunity to attack people for not treating their own personal religious choices the way I want them to!"

Kind of like you with political views, eh, Lief?

But to answer the question, absolutely not. A) I don't want to nuke my brain with pot, and B) I don't want to nuke my brain with nonsensical religious drivel.
25  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Meanwhile in Oklahoma... on: December 09, 2012, 12:42:52 pm
These places are more important because they are the Real America, not yet contaminated by blacks, browns, gays and evil libruls with their San Francisco values.

So anyone against the mass murder of most of central America is a racist. Thanks for the tip, Josef.
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