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101  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Better President, of these two (Bill Clinton vs. Barack Obama) on: October 21, 2014, 12:42:54 pm
Obama, easily.
102  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Ebola Thread (US Domestic) on: October 21, 2014, 12:39:03 pm
A: I actually have, just in a different thread.

A.) Your first link in that post repeats the Point Refuted A Thousand Times about how "they will just go through Europe!!11!". Because Passports don't exist and everyone is just taken at their word at customs.

B.) Most of the examples of travel bans not working were with diseases that were already here (HIV/AIDS, the flu).

B.) The SARS example was only screenings.

C.) Swine Flue was never really a big deal to begin with and spreads much more easily then Ebola.

D.) The post 9-11 flight ban example is just a total non-sequitur.

B: Oh!  That makes so much difference!  My point is demolished!

Good gravyRoll Eyes

Again, you know I was just using that as a metaphor and it wasn't a part of my overall point. But don't let that stop you from dishonestly trying to make that the issue to make yourself look more serious or something.
103  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Paul's conspiracy theorist past on: October 21, 2014, 12:26:05 pm
There have been many people that have been silenced due to their "conspiratorial" viewpoints. Paul doesn't display them currently which is why he hasn't been silenced fully.

If there's one thing conspricary theorists are good at, it's moving the goalpost.
104  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Giant Butt Plug in Center of Paris Deflated by Prudish Vandals on: October 21, 2014, 12:25:05 pm
^^ITT, prudes applauding the vandalism of art apparently

You're using that word rather liberally in this case, to say the least.
105  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Ebola Thread (US Domestic) on: October 21, 2014, 12:24:15 pm
Enforcing it would be a horrible waste of resources.  It's not as if people from there would never consider coming here if we cancel the direct flights, so for a travel ban to be have any effectiveness, we'd need to do background checks on every passenger arriving here on any flight.

On any international flight. But although I will admit it's expensive, you know what they say "desperate times" and such.

It won't accomplish its intended purpose.

Indeed, by making it more difficult to get assistance to West Africa where we need to send it if we're to get Ebola back under control, a total travel ban actually makes it more likely we'll get additional cases in the US.

It's already been over that isn't what people are talking about. It's about limiting commercial travel. It obviously wouldn't apply to health workers/government.

Impose a travel ban on those countries, and people would just go through a third country and lie about where they're coming from.  Thus we'd get more cases where people who should be monitored for having traveled there slip through the cracks, and risk infecting others.

This is on it's way to being a Point Refuted A Thousand Times. They have this thing called a Passport. It's not as simple about just bullsh**ting about where you're from.

106  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Best President, of these three on: October 21, 2014, 09:11:17 am
Bush Sr.
107  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Best President, of these three on: October 21, 2014, 08:22:46 am
Korea was pretty awful though.

What were we supposed to do, just let the Soviets incorporate all of Korea into their proxy sphere? Stare down the possibility of a Finlandized Japan? Unacceptable.
108  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Ebola Thread (US Domestic) on: October 21, 2014, 08:19:38 am
Of course.  Design decisions made in the service of having a playable board game with simple and engaging mechanics should totally be taken as expert advice from actual epidemiologists.  Makes perfect sense.  Roll Eyes

This is the same principle by which Risk proved that control of Australia is the most important step towards control of the world; or, to get even nerdier, how Twilight Struggle proved that domino theory was correct.

A.) That's not my point and you know it. I also noticed you still haven't actually pointed out why such a ban is a bad idea.

B.) I wasn't talking about the board game. I was talking about the computer version, it's similar but you play as the virus and try to kill as many as possible.
109  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Best President, of these three on: October 21, 2014, 07:07:47 am
Truman and it's not even close.
110  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Giant Butt Plug in Center of Paris Deflated by Prudish Vandals on: October 20, 2014, 07:51:17 pm
Good.
111  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Paul's conspiracy theorist past on: October 20, 2014, 12:37:02 pm
On some level I appreciate that a prominent national politician is a true believer conspiracy nut, even if his beliefs are somewhat closeted now, because it allows me to rest easy and be absolutely certain that those conspiracies are categorically false. If there hypothetically was a vast New World Order running the goverment from behind the scenes, this guy would obviously have been silenced and/or not allowed anywhere near a major public office (especially considering he's the Ranking Member of the Senate Subcommittees in charge of FEMA oversight and interactions with the UN).

Yes, this. All of this.
112  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Bill Cosby on: October 20, 2014, 12:22:51 pm
What a comeback. Bravo.

You get what you give. A point that isn't supported in any way can be responded to with a similar point.
113  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Bill Cosby on: October 19, 2014, 07:11:45 pm
I think that's a pretty silly way to look at these issues. 

Sure, you shouldn't judge "black people" based on the actions of a few criminals.  I agree with that.  Cory's point is basically racist drivel, and that's why Bill Cosby's words became problematic in America.  We tend to turn everything into a white vs. black issue unfortunately.

But, that's not what Bill Cosby actually meant.  I think his point is that even if there are racial inequities, black people ought to work on the social problems, mostly born out of poverty, on an individual level.  If you just constantly see yourself as a victim with no agency, that's actually racist in my eyes because it's disempowering to black people.  Individual people can make a huge difference in things like the achievement gap, by talking to their young children and reading to them for example.  That's not to say, black parents have the same advantages as white parents on average.  But, I think the point is just that constantly focusing on racism and the victim status of black becomes counter-productive after a point. 

No it isn't.
114  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The government wants to study ‘social pollution’ on Twitter on: October 18, 2014, 08:52:14 pm
This isn't a big deal. They're basically doing a study on the effects of the spread of political stupidity via social media. I mean c'mon we've all encountered some stupid political meme spreading from person to person on social media that's just outright false. But people exist in ideological bubbles so it never gets corrected.
115  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Bill Cosby on: October 18, 2014, 08:47:23 pm
They're standing on the corner and they can't speak English. I can't even talk the way these people talk: Why you ain't, Where you is, What he drive, Where he stay, Where he work, Who you be... And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk. And then I heard the father talk.

Everybody knows it's important to speak English except these knuckleheads. You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth. In fact you will never get any kind of job making a decent living.

People marched and were hit in the face with rocks to get an education, and now we've got these knuckleheads walking around. The lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal. These people are not parenting. They are buying things for kids. $500 sneakers for what? And they won't spend $200 for Hooked on Phonics.

I am talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit. Where were you when he was 2? Where were you when he was 12? Where were you when he was 18 and how come you didn't know that he had a pistol? And where is the father? Or who is his father?

People putting their clothes on backward: Isn't that a sign of something gone wrong? People with their hats on backward, pants down around the crack, isn't that a sign of something? Or are you waiting for Jesus to pull his pants up? Isn't it a sign of something when she has her dress all the way up and got all type of needles [piercing] going through her body?

What part of Africa did this come from? We are not Africans. Those people are not Africans; they don't know a thing about Africa. With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap, and all of them are in jail.

Brown or black versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person's problem. We have got to take the neighborhood back. People used to be ashamed. Today a woman has eight children with eight different 'husbands' — or men or whatever you call them now. We have millionaire football players who cannot read. We have million-dollar basketball players who can't write two paragraphs. We as black folks have to do a better job. Someone working at Wal-Mart with seven kids, you are hurting us. We have to start holding each other to a higher standard.

We cannot blame the white people any longer.

It's not like any of what he said isn't true. Just look at the 1991 LA riots. Yea, that will change people's opinion of you. It's not like there isn't a culture of failure in the black community.

I swear sometimes I think many of you largely live in a fantasy world. I think I'll pay more heed to Bill Cosby and Don Lemon then the white upper middle class social justice warriors of Atlas.
116  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Lima, Ohio: A portrait of not getting by in the Rust Belt on: October 17, 2014, 04:50:50 pm
Yes, that's exactly what I said.  Those circumstances are the exact same ones everybody has. Roll Eyes

It's just that you are falling into the "I did it therefore everybody else ever can do it" fallacy. If everybody had a job lined up and a place to stay for a few weeks then yeah, they could just up and move.
117  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Lima, Ohio: A portrait of not getting by in the Rust Belt on: October 17, 2014, 04:36:17 pm
Nothing fantastic.  I grew up in my only little corner of the rust belt surrounded by closing factories and urban blight in the StLouis area and moved to Atlanta after a couple of years of failing at community college (me and classrooms don't get along) and after 6+ months of manual labor (sheetrocker) joined the USAF.  Now I've got a good job (great job if you consider how much I make for how little I work), own a home (well, own a mortgage) and have enough toys to keep me happy (4 kids are expensive, otherwise I'd have most of the toys I want and will in a few years when they're gone).

I had no money or very many things when I left home.  Everything I owned fit in the hatchback of a 82 RX7.  But I had a job lined up and a place to stay for a few weeks until I got my feet on the ground.  It wasn't always an easy trip, but it wasn't always dull either.

Because these circumstances totally apply to everybody ever.
118  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Do you support a travel ban for Western Africa countries... on: October 17, 2014, 06:29:37 am
Of course we should, and I haven't heard any serious arguments against it.

"They can just go through Europe."

That's not even true. They still have this thing called a "Passport". I really wish people would stop being dense and saying that.

"It will stop aid workers from going there."

No it won't. It would be a commercial ban, they can be flown on charter planes.

"There will be social/political panic in affected nations."

You mean there isn't already? A travel ban with America isn't going to adjust their situation in this regard.

"It will marginalize the sick."

By that standard we shouldn't have any protections against any kind of illness ever. I'm sorry but the public good trumps some people's "feels".

We keep hearing people say they are against the ban but you don't hear any real reason as to why.

119  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 1940 Presidential Election on: October 16, 2014, 08:13:42 pm
Didn't see Lincoln or Washington on the ballot.

Give me Wendall!

I don't get this whole meme of George Washington being "the greatest" President. Being the first doesn't make you the best. I've always though when someone says "George Washington" was their favorite President it is a Moderate Hero hackish answer.

"George Washington": For those of us who don't want to take a stance one way or the other.

"Lincoln" is an easy answer too but at least it has merit.

Voted FDR.
120  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of John Oliver on: October 16, 2014, 08:09:40 pm
FF
121  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Abraham Lincoln on: October 16, 2014, 08:08:54 pm
Not at all my complete opinions, but I love this post from the Libertarian Presidential rankings to respond to all those that have him top 5. Most of its comical, but some is relevant. Still a FF

If I could roll my eyes any more emphatically they would fall out. Half of the stuff on that list was just stupid. "Enacting the blockade", "murdered 350,000 Americans", "prevent freedom to secede"?

I mean Jesus Christ just when you thought internet Libertarians couldn't be any more silly.
122  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Under whose leadership would you rather have lived? on: October 16, 2014, 01:04:33 pm
Thatcher was the best leader of the last 100 years, Bush ranks towards the absolute bottom.

This is what conservatives actually believe.
123  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Ebola Thread (US Domestic) on: October 15, 2014, 11:34:16 pm
If travel is banned to affected nations, then no one will be able to go to the affected nations to assist in the effort against the disease. How can you contain the disease without actually going to the place the disease exists?

Unnecessary travel should, of course, be avoided.

Obviously there would be exceptions. I'm talking about commercial travel.
124  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Where would you rather want to live ? (Tender Branson edition) on: October 15, 2014, 09:22:41 pm
Tromsø.
125  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Ebola Thread on: October 15, 2014, 09:10:07 pm
There's Ebola in the US now, so all other nations should stop accepting any flights or ships from the US as well, even if it's transporting goods and not a passenger plane (the pilot could always be infected).  Let's crash the global economy, to stop the spread of Ebola.

That doesn't compare at all and you know it. Don't be dishonest.

So does anyone have any actual reasons why we shouldn't have a travel ban on majorly affected nations? Or just more ad hominem and deflection?

I hate to sound like this but the majorly affected nations are also kind of economically easier to have this kind of policy with. It's not like we're restricting travel with China or India or anything.
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