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101  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Bolton: Knowing what we know today, Iraq War was still the right decision on: July 17, 2014, 11:54:19 pm
That's actually a pretty impressive amount of money. I can't imagine he'll win any states, but maybe he'll genuinely be a factor in 2016.

Good. He will force the GOP to an unsustainable rightist position on foreign policy.
102  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of the Russian seperatist rebels in Ukraine on: July 17, 2014, 11:53:16 pm
An utterly idiotic mistake that should be punished, but a mistake nonetheless. Do you care about the fact that the Kiev junta is indiscriminately bombing its own cities? I don't think you do.

As a communist you should understand how a civil war works. You don't get to raise arms against the established state and then whine when they respond with force.

The benefit of a rebel fighter is that if you take away his gun after he dies he becomes another "civilian killed by his own government". It's utter dishonesty in the same strain as employed by Syrian rebels.

But they are politically aligned against the West, so I understand you are obligated to support them regardless.
103  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Malaysian Airlines 777 shot down over Ukraine, 295 people on board. on: July 17, 2014, 11:46:05 pm
Why the "True Leftists" aren't denouncing the real war criminal, for once?

Because geo-political hipsterdom is the latest fad. Anyone who is against "the West" is automatically a good guy. No matter what.
104  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Malaysian Airlines 777 shot down over Ukraine, 295 people on board. on: July 17, 2014, 11:44:17 pm
Yeah, because the Russian Presidential plane would totally fly over Ukraine. Not to mention that such an action would result in the Russian invasion and total occupation of the entire Ukraine.

But wait, Russia isn't our enemy unless we "make them our enemy" remember? Remember Atlas posters who argued that? Remember?

When will people realize geo-politics is a cynical zero-sum game that you have be willing to play in order to win. I want Kennedy and Johnson back. People who were economic and social liberals but also understood how foreign policy works in real life and that nice guys finish last.
105  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Richard Nixon (by party) on: July 17, 2014, 09:42:23 am
Anyway, now that I got that off of my chest I will just say that this thread, and the apologist posts I've seen so far (especially from Democrats who insist that Nixon was "not that bad") all show what is wrong with America.  If you purposefully sabotage peace talks of a war that has already killed millions just so you can win the presidency, you are not a sympathetic figure by any means.  If you then give the finger to people who voted for you expecting an eventual exit from the war theater instead of mass bombings that kill even more innocent bystanders, you are not a sympathetic figure.

Finally someone brings it up. I wish more people knew about this.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21768668

It begins in the summer of 1968. Nixon feared a breakthrough at the Paris Peace talks designed to find a negotiated settlement to the Vietnam war, and he knew this would derail his campaign.

He therefore set up a clandestine back-channel involving Anna Chennault, a senior campaign adviser.

At a July meeting in Nixon's New York apartment, the South Vietnamese ambassador was told Chennault represented Nixon and spoke for the campaign. If any message needed to be passed to the South Vietnamese president, Nguyen Van Thieu, it would come via Chennault.

In late October 1968 there were major concessions from Hanoi which promised to allow meaningful talks to get underway in Paris - concessions that would justify Johnson calling for a complete bombing halt of North Vietnam. This was exactly what Nixon feared.

Chennault was despatched to the South Vietnamese embassy with a clear message: the South Vietnamese government should withdraw from the talks, refuse to deal with Johnson, and if Nixon was elected, they would get a much better deal.

So on the eve of his planned announcement of a halt to the bombing, Johnson learned the South Vietnamese were pulling out.

He was also told why. The FBI had bugged the ambassador's phone and a transcripts of Anna Chennault's calls were sent to the White House. In one conversation she tells the ambassador to "just hang on through election".

Johnson was told by Defence Secretary Clifford that the interference was illegal and threatened the chance for peace.

Easily the single worst thing Nixon ever did. Watergate as we know it pales in comparison. I swear if I could go back and change the outcome of any election in America it would be 1968 by a mile.
106  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Bolton: Knowing what we know today, Iraq War was still the right decision on: July 17, 2014, 09:17:02 am
Is there a national ordinance or something that says right-wingers aren't allowed to say something unless there is some kind of false dichotomy or poisoning the well involved? I know this could apply to the left too but Jesus the obvious weasel-phrasing in Bolton's twitter is just too much. It's like "do people in real life think in these terms and fall for this?" Yes, unfortunately, they do. Ugh.

Notice the quote about Iran "taking America to the cleaners". As if Bolton saying it somehow "tears it" and makes it a fact.



107  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Federal Judge Rules California Death Penalty Unconstitutional on: July 17, 2014, 12:49:45 am
108  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: 37 Percent Of Mississippi GOPers Would Back Confederates In Civil War on: July 16, 2014, 03:02:29 pm
The South would have much ethnic stronger ties to Great Britain than the U.S., that's for sure, and that could translate into some, well, interesting things.

I don't know if this would amount to anything. Keep in mind there would be domestic political consequences for Britain being allied with the only remaining "Western" power still using legal chattel slavery.

And everything you said could just as easily be applied to the U.S. after the Revolutionary War:  no Navy, small army, uncentralized economy and government.

The situations are massively different and in this discussion we have the gift of hindsight. The 1790's are very different from the 1860's/70's.

And its not like the U.S. had to maintain a huge military on the Canadian border from the git-go because they feared the UK re-invading.  In fact, if we imagine the POD being a Confederate victory at Sharpsburg (Antietam) then its quite imaginable that the South could win quite decisively.

The situation is again massively different. The USA and CSA are going to be hostile to each other to say the least and the mutual border will probably be highly militarized. Keep in mind in the pre-industrial times you mention (US not having to keep an army bordering Canada) armies were much smaller and required less constant industry on as big a scale as the "modern" armies of the 1860's and beyond.

Even with a victory at Antietam the CSA still isn't in a position to make demands of the Union other then "leave us alone". The superior economy of the Union just makes them impossible to really defeat from the CSA point of view. The longer the war goes on the more immense the Union superiority will become. The Souths only chance is a rapid, decisive victory early in the war and then settling for terms.
109  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is Chris Christie going to run in 2016? on: July 16, 2014, 02:16:07 pm
No.
110  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Rick Santelli, creator of the Tea Party, gets his pants pulled down on CNBC on: July 16, 2014, 02:12:26 pm
Been waiting for this for 5 years.
111  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: 37 Percent Of Mississippi GOPers Would Back Confederates In Civil War on: July 16, 2014, 02:02:02 pm
And even in an alternate universe where the South does win its independence back in the 1860s, there's no reason to believe that it wouldn't have eventually industrialized and modernized in a way that would make into a world player.

It's not that easy. Keep in mind that the USA has a huge industrial head start and the CSA would have to maintain a large military along the CSA/USA border constantly. There is actually every reason to believe it would not modernize and become a world player.

A.) It's not as easy as "just modernizing". The USA head start and greater population/resources/everything gives them an institutional advantage that the CSA will never overcome. Also keep in mind the social structure of the South isn't really "built" (if you will) for large-scale industrialization.

B.) From day one the USA will have a vastly superior navy and the CSA will never have the industrial base to modernize and build a large, blue water navy capable of defeating the USN, never mind projecting power globally.

C.) The CSA will consist of the original Confederate states, and maybe OK, NM, and AZ. That's it. Everything else goes to the USA. Why? Because literally the only way the South wins is if the Union throws in the towel for domestic political reasons. The CSA will be in no position to make any sort of demands whatsoever other then "independence".

D.) As a result of factors gone over in "C", the USA industrial base, even if the South somehow "modernizes" will still be probably dozens and dozens of times stronger then the CSA.

European powers would have had a vested interest in seeing the CSA succeed, as it means a weaker United States, and would have supported it financially and militarily until it was able to stand on its on.

Even if France and Britain give aid to the CSA (which I doubt to begin with, frankly) the other factors still outweigh it. It's not like either of them is going to go as far as guaranteeing their independence or anything. They are more worried about the rise of Prussia in Europe to risk a war with the USA which would just result in Britain losing Canada totally and the destruction of the CSA.

Also, with a notably less Anglo population due to the South having seceded, the United States probably doesn't come to the Allies aid during WWI and the CSA takes on the role as Western Europe's premier American ally.     

I'm sorry, but that's just utterly, laughably absurd.
112  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of John Boehner on: July 15, 2014, 08:09:39 pm
In a tough spot that I don't envy.
113  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Kirsten Gillibrand versus Mitt Romney on: July 15, 2014, 07:50:38 pm
Female baby boomers are getting old and they want to see a female President in their lifetime. Gillibrand wins.
114  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Hide yo' wife, hide yo' kids - they kidnappin' errebody! on: July 15, 2014, 07:46:51 pm
They seem to be very confident.

*assuming you are talking about Hamas*

Well yes, because they know that anything short of a total land invasions and occupation of the Gaza Strip by Israel will leave them in power and with fresh bodies to rally the cause around.
115  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Paul Krugman: "The Affordable Care Act is working" on: July 15, 2014, 07:44:47 pm
Obviously he hasn't been paying attention to the news lately.  Saying that Obamacare is working is like saying that 2+2=7 or that the sun rises in the west and sets in the east.

Because you say so, basically.
116  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Will the Republican Party eventually change its name to Obstruction Party? on: July 15, 2014, 07:43:24 pm
Gerrymandering is real. Democrats do it. Republicans do it. Fact.

Congress is doing their job. What are you going to do about it?

Don't try to get around the fact that you implied that the GOP keeping control of the House in 2012 was some kind of popular mandate.
117  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Will the Republican Party eventually change its name to Obstruction Party? on: July 15, 2014, 04:06:06 pm
The fact that they have won majorities in 2010 and 2012 shows that they are in touch with things. Why do they keep getting elected, after all?

I'm so sick of this whining about bipartisanship. Obama won. So did John Boehnor and the Republican Congress. So no side in particular is the side of "the people."

I hate this argument. It's like many Republicans live in an alternate universe where gerrymandering isn't real or something. More people voted for House Democrats then House Republicans. Fact.
118  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Which heavily speculated candidates will be much weaker than people expect? on: July 12, 2014, 06:43:48 am
Christie will be the biggest flop of the 21st century to date.  He'll make the 1972 Ed Muskie campaign look stunningly successful.

Rubio won't even run.  He's already been shoved aside.

Even worse then Rudy 2008?
119  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Hide yo' wife, hide yo' kids - they kidnappin' errebody! on: July 12, 2014, 05:57:41 am
But most of the hardcore Zionists are Christian, rather than Jewish.

Of most certainly, I know many of them. The irony being that most American Jews are actually much more liberal on the issue then Conservative Christians.
120  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: O'Malley on border crisis: "We can't send children back to death" on: July 11, 2014, 07:53:33 pm
Freedom Fighter.
121  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Hide yo' wife, hide yo' kids - they kidnappin' errebody! on: July 11, 2014, 07:50:30 pm
Whenever I think our house is run by mad men I can always look at the American one and relax, there are worse. Obama's ineptitude in restraining Aipac. is a mockery.

Now can the administration start brokering a ceasefire? too many people already died.

Anyone and everyone who brings up that issue is labeled as a an "anti-Semite". A coalition of Jewish and Christian Zionists have taken over American foreign policy discourse on this issue, but God help you if you mention it. They are one of those groups you "aren't allowed" to disagree with. It's pathetic. And they have the gall to wonder why so many people think there is a "Jewish conspiracy" to control American foreign policy. It's one of those things where it's like "Well, yeah kinda".

Obviously most American Jews are rather liberal on this issue but you can see where the narrative comes from.
122  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Who Would You Prefer To Have Won? (Gore or Kerry) on: July 09, 2014, 08:07:42 pm
Gore, because Kerry would've just lost in 2008 and got Democrats blamed for the Financial Collapse.
123  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Which of these is more insufferable? on: July 09, 2014, 08:06:10 pm
Option 1, duh.
124  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Do you miss Alvin Greene (D-SC)? on: July 07, 2014, 12:53:29 pm
True FF.

And is also evidence that the average Democratic voter in SC is not competent enough for choosing their Government. I love how some back then alleged that he was a GOP plant....that a majority of Dems still voted for lol.

It was a protest vote against DeMint. Everyone knew who was going to win regardless of the Democratic nominee.
125  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Do you miss Alvin Greene (D-SC)? on: July 07, 2014, 01:46:33 am
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