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126  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary Parody on: January 28, 2016, 04:07:03 pm
That was good lol.
127  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Opinion of affirmative consent/"Yes Means Yes" on: January 28, 2016, 02:22:24 pm
It's time to completely get rid of the whole college tribunal system and have these things taken care of by law enforcement. Not "expel him because he looks like the guy who raped me".

The stupid Mattress Girl issue is the worst display of this type of "listen and believe" mentality. This witch hunt needs to end and we need to stand up to the small minority of crazies on college campuses who think they can run the place because the silence of the majority.

128  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Cruz challenges Trump to 1-on-1 debate with moderator of Trump's choice on: January 28, 2016, 01:08:31 am
Yeah, if that doesn't tell you who's ahead in Iowa, I don't know what would.
129  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Hell on: January 27, 2016, 03:02:52 pm
Oh my God, THIS.  If you want to be flabbergasted by people's belief in the literal Genesis creation story or in the events of Exodus, fine ... but don't extend that to come up with the idea that believing in a higher consciousness - which in and of itself is simply saying that you do not believe that the Universe (or whatever multiverse it might reside in) created itself out of nothing.  That is at least as fantastic of a scenario as some kind of intelligence residing outside of the four dimensions we can perceive, IMO.

Except that's now what I'm talking about. You and Rockefeller GOP are phrasing this in a fallacious manner.

The idea that their might be a God type entity isn't "just like" thinking that Jesus is his only son and died for our sins and then was risen three days later. The latter is a ridiculous thing to believe. Basically thinking their is/might be a higher power is reasonable but actually believing in any of the major religions isn't really.

130  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Milwaukee Muslim man wanted to attack Masonic Temple on: January 27, 2016, 02:51:08 pm
If I recall correctly, many extremist Muslims share the white supremacist view that the Masons, Jews (specially the anti-Semitic world-controlling conspiracy theory view of Jews), etc are one and the same.

This basically.
131  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Pub Establishment Strategy - tank Cruz first, and then dump the Donald on: January 26, 2016, 02:37:51 pm
This will be as successful as Ron Paul's strategy of attacking Santorum first so that he could be the last man standing against Romney.
132  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Senator Sasse, R-NE raises issue of Donald Trump's sexual affairs on: January 26, 2016, 02:33:21 pm
This is offensive as you are mocking the faith and Christianity.

What's not to mock?
133  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Senator Sasse, R-NE raises issue of Donald Trump's sexual affairs on: January 26, 2016, 01:39:36 pm
Disgusting.   Quit glorifying adultery and fornication.

What's not to glorify?
134  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Carly Fiorina vs. Lois Griffin on: January 26, 2016, 01:37:55 pm
Please, tell me again about how this forum isn't sexist at all. Roll Eyes

Saying one woman is more attractive than another isn't sexist.
135  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Opinion of affirmative consent/"Yes Means Yes" on: January 26, 2016, 12:37:55 pm
Freedom law (not a creep).

Care to actually respond to the criticisms of said law in this thread?
136  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: "Obama to ban Solitary Confinement for Juveniles/low level Federal Crimminals" on: January 26, 2016, 12:26:11 pm
137  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How Iowa Hijacked Our Democracy on: January 26, 2016, 02:39:42 am
Honestly, most of my objections would be met if they just banned caucuses and had every state have a primary. I don't have a huge personal objection to Iowa going first, but I hate the Iowa caucus system.
138  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: New York vote in a Trump vs. Clinton vs. Bloomberg race? on: January 25, 2016, 03:14:17 pm
Even Sanders would win the state anyways. Bloomberg is a has been who nobody likes anyways.
139  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Cruz SuperPAC attacks Terry Branstad, declares Trump has "Branstad values" on: January 25, 2016, 01:43:10 am
Linking the actual ad in question would've been more useful.
140  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Should every other GOP candidate just drop out and endorse Cruz? on: January 25, 2016, 01:38:01 am
Why? Many of them would probably prefer Trump to win.
141  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Iowa Caucus Night - Drink of Choice? on: January 24, 2016, 01:40:49 pm
Election nights are a beer night for me.
142  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Hell on: January 23, 2016, 08:07:41 pm
Only for those who hear the complete fullness and understand the ramifications of the gospel, and still reject it entirely and those who rejected mortality in the first place.

So nobody ever, by your own definition? At least anybody who isn't already "saved". How convenient.

Naturally, this means that only people who followed Satan before and maybe a very tiny number of dead people after are in such a state. I believe that most people here and now will still end up somewhere better than here in the end, as happy as they can allow themselves.

Goalpost: moved. Escape hatch: established.

@Teach Peace/Weyfield: Eternal suffering is not something inflicted because "rah rah you disobeyed the commandments" nor because of some random predestination, it is something that is already there as a consequence. A place like hell if it did exist would probably be a mercy.

In what universe does that make sense? Certainly not one any rational person would exist in, which brings us to the utter absurdity of this thread to begin with.

Everyone is given great and terrible circumstances for a reason, and it is how that adversity is handled, how the agency is used that brings forth the consequences of suffering or reward.

Anyone who understands sociology or history knows that people are often results of their social and biological circumstance. Your belief in magic doesn't cancel this out. "Free will" as we know it is largely a myth. People are the result of their social circumstance subtly conditioning their every response to any given stimuli based on their prior experience.

It's sort of like a cosmic version of not getting dessert and being sent to your room for not eating your veggies, the consequence of being hungry and not getting proper nourishment is still there regardless and whether or not you are sitting at the dinner table but not getting dessert or sent to your room, you aren't happy.

This is so silly I don't know where to begin. You seriously think someone being sent to hell forever is parallel to a child being sent to bed without dessert until tomorrow.

I think that's the biggest problem with the atheist vs traditional Christian debate on this matter, often it treats Hell and Heaven too much as a "Because God said so" sort of thing. Guess that's what happens when you have one side that doesn't believe in any higher powers that aren't proven and another side that treats God as if he's some kind of static entity...instead of just a Father who himself had to make mistakes and learn from 'em to get there, and far as known, avoided eternal suffering himself.

*facepalm*

Totally Un-Biblical.

It's amazing the mental gymnastics otherwise smart people will go through to justify their belief in utterly asinine things.

Just admit that you believe in magic and think that you will go to a theme park when you die with the people you love. You will desperately dodge all the negatives of your faith with ridiculous "interpretations" that totally contradict basically all the established teachings of the faith your parent/s conditioned you to believe in or you thought gave your life meaning when you fell on hard times.
143  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who Wins Bloomberg VS Trump VS Clinton on: January 23, 2016, 05:11:37 pm
Why do people on both this thread and the other one seem to think Bloomberg will do so well? A far more likely outcome is that he'll spend $1.5 billion on his campaign and end up with around 2% of the vote.
144  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Primary Election Polls / Re: Iowa poll (Loras, landlines +cellphone): Clinton 59%, Sanders 30%) on: January 23, 2016, 04:39:48 am
Yeah, this outfit also had Clinton up by nearly 40 in October. Let's all just wait on DMR and hold our horses.
145  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: 45% of Israeli Jews don't believe Arabs should have equal rights on: January 23, 2016, 02:29:58 am
That assumes you have to choose.  Non-choice is always a third option, and often the best one when the two choices are both bad. (Tho not always.)

No it isn't.

Nazi Germany vs the USSR in WWII is the textbook example of this.
146  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Carly Fiorina vs. Lois Griffin on: January 23, 2016, 01:15:42 am
Carly Fiorina has a much uglier face.
147  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Are you a Muslim? on: January 22, 2016, 12:53:48 pm
Cory probably would say religions are "ouutdated" or "illogical". I wouldn't throw stones if I was him though, seeing as he still believes eugenics would be a sensible idea.

I believe that in the future parent should be able to improve their children via genetic engineering, yes. The idea on the forums that I support old-school 1920's style eugenics is a total lie.

Even if you disagree with me, the idea that my views are somehow "just as illogical" as seriously thinking that Mohamed went into a cave and was magically briefed by an angel on the true word of God is nonsense.

I just have trouble seeing how otherwise smart and thoughtful people can believe in something so patently silly.

I would say the same for basically any other religion for the record.
148  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: To Anyone who thinks Hillary and Trump are inevitable on: January 21, 2016, 11:39:06 am
Trump losing the general election is more likely than him winning the primary

So very likely?
149  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who thinks they will win the Iowa caucus? on: January 21, 2016, 11:36:30 am
You didn't list the two people who think they will win as options.
150  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: 45% of Israeli Jews don't believe Arabs should have equal rights on: January 21, 2016, 10:34:26 am
Gee, I wonder what percentage of Arabs support equal rights for Jews in a potential "Palestinian" state... Smiley
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