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126  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Iowa Caucus Night - Drink of Choice? on: January 24, 2016, 01:40:49 pm
Election nights are a beer night for me.
127  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Hell on: January 23, 2016, 08:07:41 pm
Only for those who hear the complete fullness and understand the ramifications of the gospel, and still reject it entirely and those who rejected mortality in the first place.

So nobody ever, by your own definition? At least anybody who isn't already "saved". How convenient.

Naturally, this means that only people who followed Satan before and maybe a very tiny number of dead people after are in such a state. I believe that most people here and now will still end up somewhere better than here in the end, as happy as they can allow themselves.

Goalpost: moved. Escape hatch: established.

@Teach Peace/Weyfield: Eternal suffering is not something inflicted because "rah rah you disobeyed the commandments" nor because of some random predestination, it is something that is already there as a consequence. A place like hell if it did exist would probably be a mercy.

In what universe does that make sense? Certainly not one any rational person would exist in, which brings us to the utter absurdity of this thread to begin with.

Everyone is given great and terrible circumstances for a reason, and it is how that adversity is handled, how the agency is used that brings forth the consequences of suffering or reward.

Anyone who understands sociology or history knows that people are often results of their social and biological circumstance. Your belief in magic doesn't cancel this out. "Free will" as we know it is largely a myth. People are the result of their social circumstance subtly conditioning their every response to any given stimuli based on their prior experience.

It's sort of like a cosmic version of not getting dessert and being sent to your room for not eating your veggies, the consequence of being hungry and not getting proper nourishment is still there regardless and whether or not you are sitting at the dinner table but not getting dessert or sent to your room, you aren't happy.

This is so silly I don't know where to begin. You seriously think someone being sent to hell forever is parallel to a child being sent to bed without dessert until tomorrow.

I think that's the biggest problem with the atheist vs traditional Christian debate on this matter, often it treats Hell and Heaven too much as a "Because God said so" sort of thing. Guess that's what happens when you have one side that doesn't believe in any higher powers that aren't proven and another side that treats God as if he's some kind of static entity...instead of just a Father who himself had to make mistakes and learn from 'em to get there, and far as known, avoided eternal suffering himself.

*facepalm*

Totally Un-Biblical.

It's amazing the mental gymnastics otherwise smart people will go through to justify their belief in utterly asinine things.

Just admit that you believe in magic and think that you will go to a theme park when you die with the people you love. You will desperately dodge all the negatives of your faith with ridiculous "interpretations" that totally contradict basically all the established teachings of the faith your parent/s conditioned you to believe in or you thought gave your life meaning when you fell on hard times.
128  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who Wins Bloomberg VS Trump VS Clinton on: January 23, 2016, 05:11:37 pm
Why do people on both this thread and the other one seem to think Bloomberg will do so well? A far more likely outcome is that he'll spend $1.5 billion on his campaign and end up with around 2% of the vote.
129  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Primary Election Polls / Re: Iowa poll (Loras, landlines +cellphone): Clinton 59%, Sanders 30%) on: January 23, 2016, 04:39:48 am
Yeah, this outfit also had Clinton up by nearly 40 in October. Let's all just wait on DMR and hold our horses.
130  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: 45% of Israeli Jews don't believe Arabs should have equal rights on: January 23, 2016, 02:29:58 am
That assumes you have to choose.  Non-choice is always a third option, and often the best one when the two choices are both bad. (Tho not always.)

No it isn't.

Nazi Germany vs the USSR in WWII is the textbook example of this.
131  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Carly Fiorina vs. Lois Griffin on: January 23, 2016, 01:15:42 am
Carly Fiorina has a much uglier face.
132  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Are you a Muslim? on: January 22, 2016, 12:53:48 pm
Cory probably would say religions are "ouutdated" or "illogical". I wouldn't throw stones if I was him though, seeing as he still believes eugenics would be a sensible idea.

I believe that in the future parent should be able to improve their children via genetic engineering, yes. The idea on the forums that I support old-school 1920's style eugenics is a total lie.

Even if you disagree with me, the idea that my views are somehow "just as illogical" as seriously thinking that Mohamed went into a cave and was magically briefed by an angel on the true word of God is nonsense.

I just have trouble seeing how otherwise smart and thoughtful people can believe in something so patently silly.

I would say the same for basically any other religion for the record.
133  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: To Anyone who thinks Hillary and Trump are inevitable on: January 21, 2016, 11:39:06 am
Trump losing the general election is more likely than him winning the primary

So very likely?
134  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who thinks they will win the Iowa caucus? on: January 21, 2016, 11:36:30 am
You didn't list the two people who think they will win as options.
135  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: 45% of Israeli Jews don't believe Arabs should have equal rights on: January 21, 2016, 10:34:26 am
Gee, I wonder what percentage of Arabs support equal rights for Jews in a potential "Palestinian" state... Smiley
136  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Ben Carson suspends campaign events on: January 19, 2016, 05:03:29 pm
*reads title*
Could it be true? Is Carson dropping out?
*reads article*
Well that's depressing. I hope they're OK.
137  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump: "Big Announcement" in Ames, Iowa Tuesday on: January 19, 2016, 12:41:21 am

That flight doesn't land until 8:00 PM local time. What time is the rally? Everything would have to be in place beforehand I'd imagine.
138  General Discussion / History / Re: The rationality of both sides in the 1939 Molotov-Ribbentrop agreement on: January 18, 2016, 12:18:11 am
Of course they were both playing each other. The big surprise to the Soviets that ruined their plan was that Germany defeated France so quickly.

Also the Soviets did reach out to Britain and France in 1939, it's just that their deal was "You do all the fighting to help a country that hates you then we invade Germany after it's all said and done and take the spoils". Why should the Soviets accept that? "Do our work for us in exchange for nothing".
139  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Are you a Muslim? on: January 18, 2016, 12:13:32 am
Also calling a religion laughably fake is kind of a jerk move.

Aren't they all though?
140  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Evil or Not 12: Bill Gates on: January 17, 2016, 11:04:16 pm
All things considered it was probably for the best that we had a "national" computer company.

Imagine how ridiculous and impossible things would be if everybody used totally different operating systems in the 1990's.
141  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: BUSTED: emails proves Carly Fiorina illegally coordinating with her SuperPAC on: January 17, 2016, 12:58:09 am
This is silly and naive. The only websites reporting it are two conspiracy sites. Stop misleading people with this thread.
142  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who will get second place in New Hampshire for the GOP? on: January 16, 2016, 10:50:45 pm
I voted Rubio, but I think it's going to be Trump.

Lol.
143  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton gets heavily booed after attacking Sanders at one of her rallies on: January 16, 2016, 10:43:40 pm
She needs to emphasize that Bernie's plan is a takeoff on Canada's system, which is inferior to the system we already have (Obamacare, but that should always be framed as the "American" health care system because that's what it is).

I'm sure that line will sell with the liberal base in Iowa and New Hampshire.
144  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Sanctions on Iran Officially Lifted with UN's Blessing on: January 16, 2016, 10:37:53 pm
Don't worry, I'm sure Israel will be taking care of this mess before the missiles reach you.

This is what Rubio Republican actually believes.
145  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who won the Trump-Cruz argument? on: January 15, 2016, 02:28:25 pm
Trump had some solid jabs, but Cruz accomplished exactly what he needed to do (defuse both the loan and birther issues). All in all, I'll say Cruz.
146  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Bernie Sanders Comments On Campus Rape, And Totally Drops The Ball on: January 14, 2016, 01:43:54 am
Horribly done dead0man. There is nothing wrong with Bernie's comments here.

The objection of the "activists" is that they want witch-hunt Inquisition tribunals to ruin the lives of the accused without due process because it's "totes feminist" and "like totally 2016".
147  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Bernie Sanders Comments On Campus Rape, And Totally Drops The Ball on: January 13, 2016, 11:37:35 pm
There was absolutely nothing wrong with Bernie's comments.
148  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will Hillary Clinton's attacks help her? on: January 13, 2016, 02:50:54 am
She should just ignore him tbh.  I think by attacking him, she's drawing too much attention to an otherwise irrelevant candidate.  Why is she attacking Sanders and not equally irrelevant candidates like O'Malley and de la Fuente?  Doesn't make any sense to me.

It'd be nice if instead of trolling you tried contributing to discussion in a meaningful way.
149  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Washington Post: Ted Cruz not eligible to run for president on: January 12, 2016, 06:46:52 pm
I guess it could hurt him in the primary among non-hypocritical birthers, generic nationalists, and people with this view of the Constitution if it becomes more widely publicized that he was born in Canada, but otherwise I don't see this having any effect on the election.
150  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump winning IA and NH on: January 12, 2016, 03:33:23 pm
It depends on Super Tuesday.

I don't think the Southern States in the GOP Super-Tuesday primaries would act in any way other then putting Trump even further ahead if he wins all* the early states.

* If Trump wins Iowa and NH I don't see how he doesn't win at least SC and probably Nevada as well.
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