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1  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Do anti-abortion atheists exist? on: Today at 11:20:30 am
Yes, my best friend falls into this category. He was raised Catholic, so that explains it. Wink
2  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Conservative Party of Canada Leadership Race Megathread-May 27th 2017 on: Today at 11:07:17 am
ooh, fun:

Chris Alexander - Rubio?
Bernier - Paul?
Trost - Huckabee
Lemieux - Santorum
Leitch &  O'Leary - TRUMP
Chong - Kasich
Deepak Obhrai - Ben Carson
Erin O'Toole - also Jeb!
Rick Peterson - Jim Gilmore
Lisa Raitt - Snarly Carly
Steven Blaney - Walker?

Seems to be no Ted Cruz candidate. Sad!
3  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Conservative Party of Canada Leadership Race Megathread-May 27th 2017 on: January 16, 2017, 03:45:08 pm

nothing moderate about him.
4  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Lief on: January 14, 2017, 04:48:02 pm
I'm going to ignore Antonio's anti-Canadian statements...

Lief is a FF but the OP is definitely a HP, and definitely a moron. Lief is a FF despite his commentary during the primaries.
5  General Discussion / History / Re: Has US foreign policy ever been anti-communist? on: January 14, 2017, 04:44:32 pm
Has the pope ever been Catholic?
6  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Your favourite incumbent Mayors? on: January 14, 2017, 04:42:32 pm
Naheed Nenshi (Calgary), but the trio of western Canadian progressive mayors are all pretty good (Don Iveson of Edmonton and Gregor Robertson of Vancouver being the others). Eastern Canadian mayors tend to be boring centrist technocrats (Jim Watson, John Tory, Denis Coderre, etc) or right wing populist demagogues (Rob Ford, Larry O'Brien)
7  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International What-ifs / Re: Which candidate would you have voted for - Canadian version on: January 14, 2017, 04:29:44 pm
Who I actually supported (since the first election I can remember in 1993)

*1993 - ok, so I was 7... I remember liking Kim Campbell because she was a woman... I guess I was a feminist from the early stages. I was disappointed to find out she wasn't a Liberal, and I knew the Liberals were the best, or that's how the general feeling in the country was. I don't think I ever did make a decision.
*1997 - I would have voted Liberal, I think. I can remember drawing maps and everything for this election, and liking the Liberals...
*2000 - I decided I didn't like my MP at the time (John Manley) because of something one of my teachers said in my elementary school's green team a few years prior. At this stage in my life, I was beginning to have political opinions, and I knew I wasn't "right wing", a term I had learned the year prior. This was my first year of high school, and I supported the NDP candidate. I saw but one of her signs on the way to school, and decided to make my own.

In the interim, I was not a committed New Democrat by any means, and was very much in favour of Dalton McGuinty, and was a big supporter of his during the 2003 provincial election. I was just happy to see Mike Harris go away. My love for him soon went away however. While I supported McGuinty, I still liked the federal NDP and its leader Alexa McDonough. I supported Bill Blaikie for the 2003 NDP leadership, and considered joining the party to vote, but it never came to fruition.

*2004: The last election before I became 18 (I turned 18 two months after the election). I was a big NDP supporter by then, but I read in the paper that our local candidate (Monia Mazigh) was against same-sex marriage the day before the election. I changed my support to the Greens at that point, but just in my riding.

*2006: My first election where I could vote. I voted for Henri Sader (NDP), and I worked on his campaign.

*2008: I had just moved to Ottawa Centre in the spring and got t vote for Paul Dewar (NDP), the incumbent Smiley. One of the few people I've voted for in my life who have won! I worked on the Ottawa South campaign however.

*2011: Voting for Paul again. And working in Ottawa South still.

*2015: Moved back to Ottawa South, still voting NDP.
8  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Canada General Discussion: Trudeau II on: January 13, 2017, 07:29:26 pm
Huh. And the Young Turks were so excited when Trudeau won too. Tongue
9  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Conservative Party of Canada Leadership Race Megathread-May 27th 2017 on: January 13, 2017, 07:22:08 pm
Is O'Leary "anti-elite" though? Is he going to want to drain the swamp in Ottawa? I can't see it. The comparisons with Trump end at being a wealthy, self absorbed blowhard reality TV star.
10  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: How would the Canadian provinces vote in the US elections? on: January 11, 2017, 02:25:44 pm
In the same poll, we had Trump winning everywhere. I didn't bother making a map.

National results were:
Trump: 27%
Cruz: 17%
Rubio: 13%
Bush: 9%

Bush had his best numbers in Atlantic Canada and the Prairies for some reason
Cruz had his best numbers in Alberta (hmm wonder why?) and the Prairies. He was still one point lower than Trump in Alberta (27-26).
Trump and Rubio had similar numbers across the country, except Trump was low in Quebec (17%), but still ahead of everyone else.
11  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: How would the Canadian provinces vote in the US elections? on: January 10, 2017, 01:40:12 pm
I wonder about the 2016 Democratic Primaries. Where would Clinton and Sanders have won out?

I feel like Bernie would do strongest in Montreal. He'd probably also win places like Windsor, Winnipeg, Edmonton, and Kingston.

Clinton would probably win Toronto, Vancouver, Surrey, and Ottawa.

Just so happens we did polling on this. Clinton would've won:




all polling has shown that Clinton would've won in a landslide in every province.

The better question is how the Canadian provinces had voted if they actually we're American, had a common history, culture etc with the USA.

Yeah. In that case, I'm pretty sure that AB, SK and MB at least would be solid Atlas-blue. BC and ON would probably be reliably Democratic. The Maritimes might have politics similar to Maine (I could even see Republicans winning NB in the right context). Québec is a complete mystery.

No way the Republicans could win New Brunswick. The Republicans would do about as well with actual, speak-French-at-home Francophones as they do with blacks. Anglo New Brunswick would be the most Republican part of the Maritimes, but it wouldn't be enough for the Republicans to win New Brunswick overall. Newfoundland might have voted for Trump, though, despite a generally solid Democratic tradition (definitely Obama in 2008 and 2012 and also Kerry, Gore, etc.), and it's possible PEI would generally be a Republican-leaning province but hard to predict. Nova Scotia would be solidly Democratic, with a history similar to Rhode Island.

Quebec and Ontario are solidly Democratic. Manitoba also is Democratic; Winnipeg outvotes the southern hinterland, and the northern hinterland is solidly Democratic. Saskatchewan is historically Democratic but Republican-leaning now, though better for the Democrats than the Dakotas (might have voted for Obama in 2008 but not in 2012, solid Trump in 2016). Alberta is solidly Republican. British Columbia is polarized but solidly Democratic (like Washington and Oregon).

Yukon probably votes about like Alaska, so overall Republican but also quite swingy. Northwest Territories and Nunavut are solidly Democratic.

Yukon is heavily unionized, so it would not be Republican.
12  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13) on: January 10, 2017, 11:01:52 am
RB must be stuck in 2014. Dion's riding changed names too (just Saint-Laurent now).
13  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: How would the Canadian provinces vote in the US elections? on: January 09, 2017, 03:57:19 pm
all polling has shown that Clinton would've won in a landslide in every province.
14  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Which country has the best and worst Green Party? on: January 09, 2017, 02:03:10 pm
The best or most successful Green Party appears to be in Germany, though Lithuania has the absurdly successful Peasants and Greens Union. Worst is probably United States.

Arguably, the Austrian Greens have the current president.

Write in Canada for worst - batty and right wing.

Not as batty as the US greens and not as right wing as Mexico's, to be fair.
15  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Who has the best chance of being the next Conservative Party of Canada leader? on: January 09, 2017, 01:53:38 pm
Interesting how you've arbitrarily narrowed the race to just four candidates.

The correct answer is of course "who the f**k knows".
16  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Canada General Discussion: Trudeau II on: January 06, 2017, 11:11:11 pm
ing-fiscal-crisis

First, i don't know how accurate the "Ottawa Sun" is, or if it is even accurate


LOL! It's not. It's tabloid trash.
17  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Canada General Discussion: Trudeau II on: January 05, 2017, 12:49:06 pm

Kind of surprised NBNDP even has a hard left. New Brunswick has got to be the least hospitable province for any sort of radical left, except maybe PEI. It has no big cities, no tradition of mining/farmer activism, and no arch-reactionary tradition to antagonize the left.

Well, if you read correctly, there is nothing about the "hard left".

It's just annoying unions who refused a leader who wasn't doing their bidding 100% of time.

Ok, point still stands. Factional battles are something relevant parties should do Tongue The NB NDP should all be singing the chorus to Living on a Prayer, not engaging in factional battles.

Whoa, we're half way there
Whoa, livin' on a prayer
Take my hand and we'll make it - I swear
Whoa, livin' on a prayer

Meh. Whatever. He doesn't strike me as being very committed. Third wayism has been discredited anyways. I'm not suggesting the NDP make a hard left in the province, but there are some issues it can get behind, like fracking for example. Helped get the Greens elected a seat.

What are your thoughts on people who say the Tories (or GOP for that matter) have to moderate to ever stand a chance against Trudeau? There's a refrain from a certain sort of progressive that the right must always moderate and the left lost because they were in the mushy middle. Not asking this as a gotcha question. Just curious.

I used to think that the left had to moderate in order to get elected, but I think there is a real appetite for a more populist left out there, that appeals to people across the spectrum (look at Bernie Sanders). If the NDP focused on issues that really resonated with people, and ran a populist campaign on those issues, they would attract a lot of support. Remember, most people are not that ideological.

As for the Tories, it depends on the circumstance of course. Mike Harris was on the far right of the Tories, but got elected twice in Ontario. It was a visceral reaction to the previous government which I shall not name Wink Tim Hudak, who also ran a far right campaign failed though. But then again, so did John Tory whose campaign was more centrist. I think I'd give the same advice to conservatives as I would for the NDP. Run on a populist campaign that speaks to voters concerns. You don't need to go down the route of Kellie Leitch or Donald Trump- in fact I would say don't touch social issues at all (I'd suggest the same for the NDP, actually) - but do focus on the economy, and focus on taxes. The voters in the 905 eat that kind of thing up, but harping on social issues will alienate them. I think Mike Harris did this fairly effectively, but Hudak didn't. John Tory brought up social issues too much (even though it wasn't from a far right position) and scared off a lot of small-c conservatives as a result.

I hope that answers your question Smiley
18  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Conservative Party of Canada Leadership Race Megathread-May 27th 2017 on: January 05, 2017, 12:39:20 pm
It's truly disgusting and disheartening to hear a doctor want to abolish our health care system. Sad!
19  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Canada General Discussion: Trudeau II on: January 04, 2017, 06:21:15 pm
Meh. Whatever. He doesn't strike me as being very committed. Third wayism has been discredited anyways. I'm not suggesting the NDP make a hard left in the province, but there are some issues it can get behind, like fracking for example. Helped get the Greens elected a seat.
20  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: When (and if) did you start supporting same-sex marriage? on: January 04, 2017, 12:26:51 pm
Not sure if I ever opposed it, but I certainly formed an opinion in high school (early 2000s), a few years before it was legalized here.
21  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What congressional districts/equivalents have you been in in 2017? on: January 04, 2017, 12:19:19 pm
Ottawa Centre (new years)
Ottawa-Vanier (bus; Vacant)
Ottawa South (home)
22  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Canada General Discussion: Trudeau II on: January 04, 2017, 10:08:51 am


2.He commented in his open letter or Facebook comment.  I could get the exact quote, but he said something along the lines of "I could spend all my time fighting these people and I'm sure I would defeat them, but that would leave me no time to prepare for the next election."

Does he not realize that he alone does not have to do everything? This is why politicos have teams.
23  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13) on: January 04, 2017, 09:43:56 am


Manitoba NDP, Kevin Chief (Point Douglas) resigned his seat back in December.
I don't think his resignation is official yet.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/kevin-chief-resigns-1.3896978

Oh yes, I knew I was forgetting something. Thanks!
24  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Canada General Discussion: Trudeau II on: January 03, 2017, 11:55:17 am
and now there are rumours he may join the PCs. Good riddance. I guess we can't trust moderate New Democrats? From the looks of it, he was trying to hijack the NDP as his own personal political vehicle, and almost succeeded because the party lacked any organization.

If he was upset by a minor group of vocal socialists or trade unionists or something, he could've as leader used his power to over rule them. I'm sure he would've had the backing of the majority of the membership, and could've done it using democratic means.
25  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13) on: January 03, 2017, 10:38:29 am
Upcoming municipal by-elections:

- Feb. 13: Toronto Ward 42 (to replace Raymond Cho who was elected to Queen's Park)
- Mar. 27: Georgina, Ontario Ward 1

Provincial (no dates set so far):

- Saskatoon Meewasin (SK)
- Sault Ste. Marie (ON)
- Point Douglas (MB)

Federal (no dates):

- Calgary Heritage (AB) - to replace Stephen Harper
- Calgary Midnapore (AB) - to replace Jason Kenney
- Ottawa-Vanier (ON) - to replace Mauril Bélanger  (RIP)


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