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1  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Slovenian Parliamentary Election - 13 July 2014 on: July 25, 2014, 07:42:08 pm
Nice maps!

"Campaigns" for rural areas is a little too frenchy. Wink
2  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK General Election 2015 on: July 25, 2014, 07:20:34 pm

The People's Party have been called the People's Party since it's foundation in 1934 when it's two predecessors merged, and one of those predecessors were called the People's Party even before that, so I'm not sure where Politicus gets the idea that they've changed their name from.
  

Its was a fusion of The Freeminded People's Party (which at least indicates liberalism) and the  Liberal Party of Sweden. It was then unideological wishy-washy from 1934 to 1990 when they added Liberalerna.

3  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK General Election 2015 on: July 25, 2014, 05:30:58 pm
Didn't the Centre Party in Sweden used to be called the Agrarian party or the Farmer's party or something like that? i know that the Moderate Party in Sweden used to be called the Right Party.


I know that in this day an age people think that winning elections is all about new imaginative campaign slogans and flashy websites... but no one really cares about that. People will vote for Labour if they agree with their policies, think they have a competent leadership, and hate the Tories. Calling them the Progressive Party, or the Blueberry Party, or We-Hate-The-Tory-Party Party, would make zero, zilch, nada difference. None what so ever! If any affect, it would be confusing a few pensioners who'd be wondering what happened to the party they were planning to vote for.


Yeah, its a bit ironic this comment was made by a Swedish poster, since all their three historical centre-right parties have changed their names (from ideological or occupational names to wishy-washy names like centre, moderates and peoples party).

Generally centre-right parties are more likely to change their names completely than SDs.
4  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Should the US drop Saudi-Arabia? on: July 24, 2014, 11:12:35 pm

Should we drop Saudi-Arabia? Ah Yea. Will/Can we? No

Oftentimes foreign policy is not about what you want, or desire, but what you need.

Whether the US really need Saudi Arabia was very much part of my OP. Its not nearly as self evident as it used to be, that the pros oughtweighs the cons regarding Saudi-Arabia.
5  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Best German-speaking country on: July 24, 2014, 10:57:27 pm
Namibia
6  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Should the US drop Israel? on: July 24, 2014, 10:52:43 pm

Drop the only democracy in the Middle East? Please.
Lebanon? Turkey? Azerbaijan?

Azerbaijan is hardly a democracy in any meaningful sense of that word and its not really the Middle East.
7  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK General Election 2015 on: July 24, 2014, 10:14:19 pm
SD parties just don't change their names, as former Norwegian Labour PM Jens Stoltenberg said when a journalist from Aftenposten (The Evening Post) asked him if the name wasn't outdated and ought to be changed now that only a minority of its voters where workers:

"The Labour Party is called the Labour Party, just as Aftenposten is called Aftenposten, even if its published in the morning".

"New" Labour was bad enough. Progressives in a European context would be awful. European parties that call themselves something with Progress or Progressives are generally reactionaries and/or corrupt.
8  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK General Election 2015 on: July 23, 2014, 07:19:16 pm

This raises he question how big a problem it would be to raise the taxes enough to pay for the public sector. Could Miliband "tax the rich" enough or would it mean too much capital flight or problems with his own right wing?
9  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: John Walsh, plagiarist? on: July 23, 2014, 07:01:51 pm
The War College punishment is having your plaque sandblasted, dunno about other stuff. Paper's 14 pages.

A Master thesis on 14 pages? Ridiculous.
10  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK General Election 2015 on: July 23, 2014, 06:51:22 pm
The Labour Party does not do that.

Isn't that just until they do?

Before 1992 no one had ever challenged a sitting SD Chairman in Denmark and everybody thought it would never happen, then a leader proved incapable of getting the party into government and out of nowhere a successful challenge did happen.
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Pew Research: US Murder Capitals since 1985 on: July 23, 2014, 06:37:40 pm
Why does Birmingham rank so high?
12  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Which language do you prefer? on: July 23, 2014, 06:14:31 pm
Quenya ftw
 
13  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Switzerland on: July 23, 2014, 05:41:05 pm
A very mixed bag with an interesting history and culture and beautiful mountain scenery. Less HC than before since it has started cooperating more with other countries on combating money laundering and tax fraud. Still home to an amazing amount of white collar criminals and general scumbags from around the globe though.

FC on balance, I guess.
14  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Mosul's Christian community extinguished after 1,600 years, thanks to ISIS on: July 23, 2014, 05:05:11 pm
Said Church doesn't exist. Saw this elsewhere. In fact it wouldn't surprise me if half the things claimed about ISIS are made up.

Well, it doesn't exist now anyway... What is your source it never existed?
15  General Discussion / History / Palestinian exodus in 1948 on: July 23, 2014, 04:46:50 pm
There is nothing absurd, ignorant, or bad about that post, given that Israel is a state founded upon the expulsion of the Palestinians from their homes and their exclusion from meaningful participation in the affairs of their own land by their oppressors.

Around 1900 Palestine was a thinly populated place with around 400.000 inhabitants, 25.000 of them Jewish. Jewish settlers then bought land from the local Arabs and settled in the country. After the 1948 war Palestinians fled present day Israel in large numbers, some because of ethnic cleansing by Jewish extremists, but far more because they where encouraged to do so by their own leaders. So Israel is clearly not "founded upon the expulsion of Palestinians".

Is there really any difference beyond semantics between "the expulsion of Palestinians" and "the refusal to allow (back?) those who fled because they feared they would be massacred in the same way as those in Deir Yassin had been"?  Israel in its 1949-1967 borders would not have been majority Jewish had Israel allowed the refugees to return.

Since I don't think we should argue about in in the Deluge I will put it here.

The Palestinian exodus in 1948 was caused by many factors, including people simply not wanting to live under Jewish rule.

While the massacre - and the rumours surrounding it  - undoubtedly played a large role in frightening the Arab population, it would be very simplistic to portray it as the sole cause or as part of an organized expulsion. It was conducted by Irgun extremists and not part of (proto-)government policy on the Jewish side. The subsequent refusal to allow the refugees back was not an expulsion, but kind of a seize the moment decision. Israel tried to broker a deal with the Arab nations to allow 100.000 refugees back, while the Arabs took the rest, but the Arab nations refused.

I think there is a clear difference between organizing an expulsion of a defeated enemy (like the Sudeten Germans or the Germans from east of the Oder-Neisse and catching an opportunity that comes along.

On the moral side of the issue: Israel should have paid compensation to the Arab refugees, but given the atrocities under the Arab uprising in the 1930s and the Arab collaboration with Nazi Germany it would have been foolish to let them back in. Remember that where actual plans of a joint German/Palestinian action to exterminate the Palestinian Jews if the Germans had won at El Alamein and entered Palestine. You don't show mercy to your defeated enemies if their ultimate goal is to extinguish you and the Israeli leaders had sufficient grounds to believe that was the case for a great many influential Palestinians.
16  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Oklahoma man arrested for "loving on kids" in Kenya on: July 22, 2014, 08:41:19 pm
I take issues with "struggling with homosexuality and child pornography".

As if those things are comparable!

In Oklahoma they are..
17  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Mosul's Christian community extinguished after 1,600 years, thanks to ISIS on: July 22, 2014, 08:40:15 pm
Hopefully they can return at some point. At least it seems they are (relatively) safe.

The destruction of the church is horrible. So much of the worlds cultural heritage is lost at the moment.
Its a shame modern Muslim fundamentalists are never satisfied to convert churches to mosques as Muslim conquerors traditionally did, but are hellbent on destroying them.
18  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: How would you have voted on United Nations General Assembly Resolution 3379? on: July 21, 2014, 07:34:21 pm
Strongly against.
19  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone II - Less Boring, More Whoring on: July 21, 2014, 06:16:43 pm
Life's not so great right now.

Sorry to hear that. What is troubling you?
20  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Deluge of Absurdity, Ignorance, and Bad Posts IV on: July 21, 2014, 05:20:15 pm
There is nothing absurd, ignorant, or bad about that post, given that Israel is a state founded upon the expulsion of the Palestinians from their homes and their exclusion from meaningful participation in the affairs of their own land by their oppressors.

Around 1900 Palestine was a thinly populated place with around 400.000 inhabitans, 25.000 of them Jewish. Jewish settlers then bought land from the local Arabs and settled in the country. After the 1948 war Palestiians fled present day Israel in large numbers, some because of ethnic cleansing by Jewish extremists, but far more because they where encouraged to do so by their own leaders. So Israel is clearly not "founded upon the expulsion of Palestinians".

Arab Israelis are free to participate in the Israeli democracy and do so on a regular basis.
21  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Scandinavia and the World on: July 21, 2014, 04:42:28 pm
Its pretty good, but I think too much rests on the Denmark-Sweden dynamic. Norway as the quintessential Mr. Nice Guy is boring. Since Norway is the "ex-wife" of both Denmark and Sweden I think it would work better if they made it female and added some of the hyper-patriotism for which Norwegians are justly famous along with some other typical Norwegian traits.
Norway should be creative, philosophical, stubborn, fiercely independent minded and immensely proud of herself - and obviously far richer than Denmark and Sweden. I could see her driving down from the mountains in her big gas guzzling 4WD to tell Denmark and Sweden exactly how great she is doing without them and the rest of Europe.

After all: "Its typical Norwegian to be good", as Gro Harlem Brundtland informed the world.
22  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone II - Less Boring, More Whoring on: July 21, 2014, 03:42:38 pm
I take the bar a week from today.

Just remember to put it back after you've used it or your bar tap will go through the roof.
23  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Should Russia be put on the State Department's State Sponsors of Terrorism list? on: July 19, 2014, 03:42:08 pm
Emphatic yes... And we should at least consider the idea of forcing regime change as well, as the only Russian leaders that have been worse than Putin are Stalin, Lenin and Khrushchev.

Well, Ivan the Terrible was quite, eh, terrible and you could find one or two (or maaaybe even a dozen..) other Czars that were worse than Little Vladimir. Also, while Khrushchev certainly had a lot of blood on his hands from the Stalin era, I would consider Brezhnev worse as an actual ruler.
24  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: I think there is a candidate everyone is forgetting on: July 18, 2014, 08:52:53 pm
I haven't been around here for very long, but this is definitely the dumbest thread I've seen so far.

Yup. Gully should clearly be banned for making it.
25  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: 2014 Brazil Election on: July 18, 2014, 08:02:59 pm
Kardecist?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiritism

3% of the Brazilian population is spiritualist (or Kardecist)

That's pretty crazy.
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