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1  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: How many Chancellors of Germany can you name? on: April 18, 2014, 10:26:38 am
Never heard about Friedrich **** before Wink
2  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: quiz-palooza: How many South African leaders can you name? on: April 18, 2014, 09:53:33 am
I got 14. 15 really, but couldn't remember how to spell Hertzog. Didn't get any hits on writing de Klerk/De Klerk and had to type FW before I got it, strange. Since some of you got Johannes for free.

EDIT: For some reason you get both if you just type Klerk.
3  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Ukraine Crisis on: April 16, 2014, 08:38:45 am
Only Russia and four other nations have recognized all these events—namely Afghanistan, Nicaragua, Syria, and Venezuela.[1][2][3]

I guess fighting a 13 year long war doesn't stop a country from being a pawn of Putin.

are cuban-russian relations not good these days?
4  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Ukraine 2014 on: April 15, 2014, 01:35:09 pm
Is he serious?
5  General Politics / Political Debate / Which city should host the UN. on: April 15, 2014, 01:28:07 pm
Where would you ideally want the UN HQ to be located?

I think a small (population wise!), stable country with a central location and a fairly neutral profile would be best.

North America is still a good  choice being halfway between Europe and Asia and politically stable, but Canada (East or Pacific) is preferable to the US, since the US has too many global interests.

Singapore would be my choice. Central location on the most important continent, good infrastructure and a small, stable country. Human rights records could be better, but that goes for most countries.
6  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: U.S denies visa to Hamid Abutalebi, Iranian choice for U.N Ambassador on: April 13, 2014, 12:17:38 pm
The outrage over this is making me chuckle.... the man stormed an embassy and took the civilians inside hostage for over a year

Its a basic requirement for the UN to function that the host country doesn't interfere in the way the UN operates. Everything else should be irrelevant in this context.

Still, the US (or any other great power) is a bad choice for the UN HQ. Ideally the UN should be located on international territory. Switzerland would be the next best thing.
7  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: U.S denies visa to Hamid Abutalebi, Iranian choice for U.N Ambassador on: April 12, 2014, 11:49:53 am

The White House has said it will deny the issuance of a visa to Hamid Abutablei, the former Iranian ambassador to Belgium, the European Union, Italy and Australia. U.S government officals, as well as Senators Ted Cruz and Rep. Doug Lamborn have stated Abutablei was a member of the group that participated in the taking of fifty-two hostages in Iran in 1979. Abutablei has insisted his involvement in the crisis was negotation and translation.

Iranian Deputy Foreign Minister Abbas Aragachi was quoted by Iran's Mehr news agency as saying that "The Ministry of Foreign Affairs is trying to pursue the issue through legal channels at the U.N" and that " Iran has no choice to substitute Mr. Aboutalebi".

Hamid Babei, spokesman for the U.N mission of Iran said the decision was "in violation of International Law, the obligation of the host state, and the right of member-states to designate their representatives."

The Iranians are right about this.
8  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Should we have a ATLASFORUMCON? on: April 12, 2014, 11:40:01 am
If you're cool and not weird and you find yourself in the DC area always feel free to let me know.

Those two requirements rule out 99% of Atlas posters.
9  General Politics / Economics / Re: Why don't more governments seek to create full employment? on: April 11, 2014, 05:20:18 pm
Governments have ample resources and funds ...

That is the fallacy number 1. Should I continue, or would that be enough?

I think this is a good example of why this board is so uninteresting and stale. You shut down debate and try to make people feel stupid if they have a different angle on economics or economic policy than yourself instead of using your knowledge to facilitate a discussion.
10  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Favourite remark about your country by a foreigner on: April 11, 2014, 05:00:27 pm

I thought this would be a good one, so I will try once more.
11  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: German Elections & Politics on: April 10, 2014, 06:23:48 pm

The FDP is fading away. So much, that even articles about their declining are rarley. Here is one of them:

B.Z. (a Berlin daily newspaper)

No recovery, the FDP - how a party disappears
By Michael H. Spreng

Six months ago, she put four federal ministers, today it has disappeared from the public radar - the FDP. The small party that failed in the general election at the five per cent threshold has not recovered even under its new chairman, Christian Lindner.

The FDP languishes in the polls at three percent. In the newspapers and on television, she appeared only rarely like the Loch Ness monster . And here the question arises : Does it exist at all (yet) ? Only Wolfgang Kubicki adorns the talk shows. But he only presents himself, not the FDP.

The FDP must now determine how severe extra-parliamentary opposition, especially for a bourgeois party . In the European elections it is ranked only 7 of the result appear - according to the CDU, CSU, SPD, Greens, "The Left " and AfD . And in the three East German state elections it has nowhere the chance.

The FDP has to date provided no argument that it is still needed . What is your unique selling proposition, what are their issues, what they can do better than the others?

In today's media society only the established and the shrill have a chance to be noticed . And the FDP is not established and shrill they do not want to be .

The FDP can only hope that the CDU / CSU commits serious errors in the grand coalition and gives her back room to be noticed and chosen. This does not happen, then it will gradually disintegrate in the extra-parliamentary opposition.


The FDP is down from 14,6% in the federal elections 2009, to 4,8% in the elections 2013 and now at 3-4% in the surveys. The next elections are also not very helpful. In the European elections the FDP stands in the polls at 3% (down from 11%) and the surveys for the next state elections in Saxony, Thuringia and Brandenburg see them declining towards 2%. After September 2014, the FDP will probably sit in no state government (the last one is of Saxony) anymore and will represented in only 6 out of 16 state parliaments (early 2015 possibly only in 5 because of the elections in Hamburg).

It wont be missed by many - left or right.
12  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Opinion of the "Robber Barons" of the 19th Century? on: April 10, 2014, 06:16:12 pm
Generally very favourable...

How does it feel to be a stereotype?
13  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: India 2014 on: April 10, 2014, 05:50:22 pm
Also speaking of riots, are you guys aware of what went on in Muzzafarnagar last year? When you take into account how the riots were handled by the muslim friendly SP who rule the state, why shouldn't Hindus vote for the BJP?

No. Enlighten us sahib.
14  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of the Bhutanese Government on: April 10, 2014, 05:31:38 pm
The annexation of Sikkim is likely a large part of the reason as to why it adopted such a policy.
15  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Petition to ban Krazen on: April 10, 2014, 05:29:09 pm
I rather see the OP banned before Krazen (and I very much prefer the OP to Krazen). As noted, Krazen is the rightwing version of several leftwing posters, many of whom have posted in this thread. He has not done a single thing wrong in my eyes besides knowing how to get under your ever too thin skin. All of you need to grow the f[inks] up and get a sense of humor.

Why not just ban the entire forum except Gully and Oakvale?
Oakvale is defending him.

Beside the point. It would simply be the logical conclusion of the current ban-wave.
16  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Investment banker goes rogue, launches Warrenite populist campaign in NY on: April 10, 2014, 05:17:58 pm
His name is Gustavus Adolphus Henry Christensen, IV. He is a graduate of Exeter, Yale and the Wharton School of Business. He is partial to monogrammed shirts, Vineyard Vines neckties and once modeled high-end skiwear in the Swiss Alps. He's the son of a white shoe lawyer and the husband of a Sotheby's art dealer. Now he's running for the State Assembly on a platform calling for a $15-an-hour minimum wage, stricter regulation of banks and more affordable housing, while criticizing "reactionary forces" in a way that seems to echo FDR.

His skepticism of rich people who use their money to impose their will on others didn't stop him from doing just that, securing the presidency of the Lenox Hill Democratic Club by spending thousands on memberships for friends and acquaintances who were assured to vote for him.

“I didn’t come in off the street and, quote, buy this club,” he said at first, describing the support older members showed him. “Look, I regret how it played out, I regret how some people’s feelings were hurt,” he added. Then he described paying dues for some people to counter “moves that the other side had made to control the nominating procedures.”

His opponents have also launched a parody Twitter account dedicated to Christensen, painting him as a bizarre meld of Richie Rich, Mitt Romney and Thurston Howell.

What can you expect from a Danish-American with a surname like Gustavus Adolphus?
Clearly born to be a two faced traitor.
17  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Petition to ban Krazen on: April 10, 2014, 05:13:37 pm
Why not just ban the entire forum except Gully and Oakvale?
18  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Favourite remark about your country by a foreigner on: April 10, 2014, 04:59:52 pm
What is your favourite quote about your country by a foreign observer.

Mine is from the old Disney animator Carl Barks, who visited Denmark aged 90+ (one of his first foreign visits I believe) and when asked the mandatory "how did you like Denmark?" question dryly answered "It seems you got life pretty much under control".
19  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Dick Cheney on: April 10, 2014, 04:49:53 pm
The most vile man ever elected to the Vice Presidency, bar none.

Aaron Burr? Richard M. Johnson? Lyndon Johnson?

Burr was a FF and a very progressive man for his time.

While "Rumpsey Dumpsey, Rumpsey Dumpsey, Colonel Johnson killed Tecumseh" is not the most charming of campaign slogans. Johnsons treatment of his African-American family counts in favour of him and I see no major reason to consider him vile. Why do you dislike him?

LBJ wasnt a particlarly likeable or decent human being, but he did a lot more good than Cheney, so on balance he was less vile.
20  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of the Bhutanese Government on: April 10, 2014, 04:40:27 pm
“One Nation, One People” policies are not popular in the modern world and their methods certainly violate basic human rights. Still, a democratic Bhutan with as large a Nepali population as they got would soon lose its identity as a national home for the Bhutanese, so it is a genuine dilemma.
Voted HG based on human rights, but I would probably support it if I were Bhutanese.
21  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Dick Cheney on: April 10, 2014, 04:28:46 pm

22  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: UK General Discussion on: April 10, 2014, 04:16:50 pm

Also, Norman Tebbit calls for Martin McGuinness to be assassinated.

One is allowed to day dream, even of the death of your enemies.

Not the Christian thing to do, but I cant really blame him. If he was an active politician it would be another matter, but this is only human.
23  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Ukraine Crisis on: April 10, 2014, 04:13:02 pm
I am not missing your point about Russian profits going down if they are just another player on the global market. My focus here is just different: If we assume (for the sake of argument and to clarify possibilities) that the Russian leadership a) really wants to reincorporate Eastern Ukraine and other areas with a Russian or Russian-speaking population and b) is prepared to risk isolation from the West and a loss of some income how are their options?

It was in this context that Ernest claimed they would have no choice, but to become a Chinese economic vassal and I counter argued.

Technology only takes you so far. At the end of the day oil and gas are nonrenewable resources, so in the long run prices will increase (unless we have a breakthrough on renewable energy) and I am a pessimist on this. We will get a few decades of cheaper energy and then prices will increase again. Demand is just growing too fast.

And, BTW, Japan is as much part of the West as, say, France. And with a serious territorial issue with Russia to boot.

Regarding Japan I don't see the Japanese following a US/EU boycott of Russia. Especially not with the present leadership.

24  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Dick Cheney VS Donald Rumsfield on: April 09, 2014, 11:01:14 am
That is like asking 'Lenin VS. Trotsky'.

Why is that difficult? Trotsky by far.

Anyway, I like rum and I like fields, so Rumsfield it is.
25  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Stephen Colbert Top Choice To Replace David Letterman on: April 09, 2014, 10:51:43 am
If this is true, so much yes! Just imagine him interviewing O'Reilly or Stewart. Cheesy

It says he's leaving his "conservative" persona if this happens, so this essentially means the death of Stephen Colbert.

I hate this.

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