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1  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Denmark Parliamentary Election 2015 on: April 25, 2015, 02:38:39 am
While moving the Cons to the right - and thereby overcoming the old structural problem of the party being at the same time to the left and right of Venstre - may be the right move long term (there are clearly too many centrist parties in Denmark)  it is a really risky move to attempt during an election campaign. where they may very well get in trouble with the threshold if part of their moderate core voters stay home without the party attracting new segments. Bold or desperate? Perhaps a little of both.
2  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Denmark Parliamentary Election 2015 on: April 25, 2015, 02:22:57 am
Pape Poulsen now says openly that he wants to challenge the assumption that the Conservatives is a broad centre/right party and poace it unequivocally to the right of Venstre on all isssues (economic as well as value based). Also states that too many Conservatives are stuck in veneration for the Schlüter-era in the 80s.

This could reopen the traitional Conservative civil war between right winger and "Social Conservatives" (= moderates).
3  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of 'Safe Space' policies on: April 23, 2015, 06:15:49 pm
I can understand wanting to provide a safe spot for those who have been victims of rape, or have PTSD, and etc, but if it's just because someone heard an opinion they didn't like, I don't see the need for "safe spaces". Besides, the Internet is a thing. You can easily navigate the internet to build a safe space for yourself.
Heck, you can make Atlas into your own "safe space" if you put everyone on ignore.

I am really tempted to do that for a day.

There is a limit (50?) somewhere. I have never hit it myself, but some posters have. Oldies complained about not being able to put more people on ignore.
4  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Kramer vs Kramer on: April 23, 2015, 04:58:21 pm
Kramer is by far the best of those two, so Kramer ftw!

5  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Muslims on refugee boat throw Christians overboard for being non-Muslims on: April 23, 2015, 04:11:24 pm
Going after the smugglers now. Sensible. Naval operations is whats on the table so far, some experts thinks special force operations against targets on the coast would be more efficient.


I assume this is by now the official thread for the Libyan boat refugee crisis. Maybe the thread title should be changed?
6  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Are you right- or left-handed? on: April 23, 2015, 02:44:59 pm
7  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Should Armenian Genocide denial be a criminal offense? on: April 23, 2015, 11:51:10 am
8  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Should Armenian Genocide denial be a criminal offense? on: April 23, 2015, 11:42:42 am

Well, with a very clear campaign promise and little time left in office this was the man and the moment Now it looks like it will only be after Turkey itself finally gives in.

Wonder if we will see all 50 states recognizing before the federal government, that would be a bizarre situation. Only seven left.
9  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Minimum Vaccination Consent Age on: April 23, 2015, 11:35:07 am
13 (or 12).
10  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision on: April 23, 2015, 09:52:19 am
As I understand it there's still a strong cultural/social assumption in Scandinavia that one will be baptized into the relevant Lutheran state church and use it for weddings and funerals, even if one is otherwise thoroughly irreligious.

It is called a "four corner Christian". Someone who only goes to church when he/she turns the four big corners: Baptism, confirmation, wedding and funeral.

It is gradually eroding in the big cities, but very much a reality elsewhere.
11  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK General Election - May 7th 2015 (The Official Campaign Thread) on: April 23, 2015, 06:17:05 am
Monster Raving Loony is running in 16 constituencies.

Who're they backing in a hung parliament?

Farage for PM would be the logical option.
12  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Great Nordic Thread on: April 22, 2015, 05:16:43 pm
Here is another one from September written by psychiatrist and blogger Henrik Day Poulsen (more on the LA right wing than a conservative)  in the other mainstream centre-right daily Berlingske Tidende:


(a much poorer writer than Mikkelsen, no imagery here, but he cuts to the core)

"Sweden has opted out of  Scandinavia

Sweden has now renounced itself from Nordic cooperation. Berlingske Monday could tell that Sweden is planning to receive 340,000 mainly Syrian refugee over the next four years and it is expected that many of these will quickly obtain Swedish citizenship and thus a Swedish passport. This means that they are free to travel to Denmark and enjoy the privileges that Nordic citizens have had for many years; Also before Denmark joined the EEC in 1973.

Nordic co-operation draws on a community of language, culture and values. The Nordic Council is not particularly powerful, but a symbol of the longstanding community of the Nordic countries.

Sweden already has Scandinavia's largest number of Muslim immigrants. Many of these are poorly integrated and especially Southern Sweden is affected by major social problems that occasionally flares up. In Sweden it is publicly known that the media are characterized by self-censorship. Berlingske Sunday could enlighten me about a concept I did not (previously) know, namely filtering. This means that you can not mention a criminals ethnicity, since it can be interpreted as racism. In Denmark filtration according to the newspaper's information takes place in Politiken and Information, but in Sweden it is used in all media. Censorship is un-Nordic. So here Sweden is already far away from a traditional Nordic perception of free speech.

340,000 Muslims are just as much as the entire population of Aarhus. That's a lot. Also, so many that it would eventually change the Swedish culture. Sweden thus moves in a completely different direction than the rest of the region and thus away from the Nordic community. I'm not saying that a Sweden that looks like Beirut or Cairo, is bad, it's just different and in no way Nordic.

As a Dane I do not share common values with a Syrian woman in niqab who is Muslim and speaks very bad Swedish. She grew up with completely different values than I do and does not know Hans Christian Andersen, Strindberg, Nobel or Edvard Munch. She does not know the principles of the Scandinavian welfare model and as many immigrants, only want our money and not our heritage.

There is soon going to be an election in Sweden and all political parties except the extreme Sweden Democrats support that Sweden should receive 340,000 refugees.

If this decision is enforced, Denmark needs to look at whether we can continue to give special privileges to Swedish citizens. For with a Swedish passport one can live the same way in Denmark and Sweden.

Sweden has by itself opted out of the Nordic cooperation. I regret it because I like the Swedes, Stockholm and Abba. Strindberg I can still see at the Royal Theatre.

I wonder if they really are aware of what they are doing "hinsidan" (on the other side)?"
13  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Great Nordic Thread on: April 22, 2015, 04:42:18 pm
Are you really surprised? That newspaper was supporting fascists and Nazis during the 30's, too.

Which is a bit hyperbolic (at least the Nazi part) and rather irrelevant. You can find lots of conservative papers across the continent being somewhat sympathetic towards Mussolini and Hitler in the 30s. It says little of their modern incarnations (and doesn't normally mean they wanted democracy abolished in their own countries. Just that thy considered order a higher priority for backwards (Italy) or chaotic (Germany) countries than freedom. It is like when modern right wingers think a military coup in Brazil might sort out the economy and halt corruption. Italy was viewed like developing countries are today by 30s Scandinavian (and British/Dutch/Swiss etc.) Conservatives.

Anyway, trying to paint JP as far right would be missing the point.

@Gustaf: Trying to view this as a report and grading it as if it was a school paper is pointless. Rhetoric and imagery is what matters here. The gut feeling that Sweden is a lost case and "no longer a Nordic country".

The interesting thing (and the reason I posted this) is that Sweden has disappeared as an actual country for the Danish right wing and the counter jihad circles in Norway (stretching well into the Progress Party hardline wing). It exists as a symbol of what they don't want to be more than as an actual place.

On facts: Measuring the level of violence, threats and abuse by referring to the homicide rate is rather pointless. All homicides are reported whereas other forms of violence and abuse are very underreported. So the wrong yardstick to use.
14  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Great Nordic Thread on: April 22, 2015, 03:13:22 am

Add Austria to the list.

Someone has already updated the map. Czech Republic and Austria are both on now.
15  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Denmark Parliamentary Election 2015 on: April 22, 2015, 02:53:42 am
tl;dr: Most of their 2011 voters were okay with the party being right of center on economics. The change has been more on attitude (little willingness to compromise) than on policy and a more pragmatic/unprincipled stance on certain value issues than expected, which may cost them some votes, but most will likely accpet it as realpolitik. Their voters are pragmatic - it is in the party DNA to have a pragmatic approach to politics.

OK, I guess I got the wrong end of the stick at some point when I thought they were my natural Danish party.  Who should I support?  (Centre-left on economics, fairly pro-Europe, opposed to pretty much everything people like the DPP and UKIP say...)

You may have been confused by Radikale Venstre's very misleading name. Tongue

Though at least they tend to be a part of the centre-left bloc, unlike, say, their Norwegian sister party, so they can't be that bad from your perspective. The only part of the above description that doesn't fit very well with RV is the centre-left on economic thing.
Perhaps SF would be the party for you (they are much more pro-EU than in the past, IIRC).

Yes SF would be the obvious choice. It is sort of a greenie left-SD party, pro-EU and with a more principled line on civil rights, transparency, refugees etc. than SD. They sucked in government (and never should have entered), but from an ideological POV they would probably fit you. They are also (at least in principle) more sceptical of big bureaucracies and top-down solutions. "More (civil) society, less state" is an old SPP slogan. There is a left liberal streak to the party, that sets them apart from the Red Greens and SD.

The wing that wanted to toughen up on the partys immigration and law & order policies (still, not anything  DPP-like) in order to attract workers, have almost all left.

The SPP right wing (so-called Greens) is close to the now rather marginalized RV left wing. Their current leader is from that group (but with working class background and union ties, giving her a different approach to some things).
16  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: UK General Election, 2015, in St. Ives on: April 21, 2015, 07:41:17 pm
Mebyon Kernow pls. Cornwall shall rise again!
17  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What is your number on the Kinsey Scale? on: April 21, 2015, 07:39:47 pm
 You got: Mostly heterosexual.

You’re mostly straight, but you’re open to new ideas and experiences. Maybe you’ve had a passing thought or fantasy, and maybe you’ve actually thought about pursuing those impulses. Your sexuality is definitely a little more fluid than most.

Stupid test:

My "deviant" (from a stereotypical straight) answers were:

1) Recognize when someone of the same sex is attractive (nearly all women do).
2) I am most close with people of the other sex.
3) I am most friendly with people of the oter sex.
4) Got a few gay and bi friends.

Getting fluid sexuality from that is pretty daft.
18  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Denmark Parliamentary Election 2015 on: April 21, 2015, 03:39:15 pm
Also a somewhat interesting personal credibility poll. Kristian Thulesen Dahl from DPP is tied with Johanne Schmidt-Nielsen for first, but he is followed by all the "Red Bloc" leaders - ordered from left to right.

Scale from 0-10

1. Kristian Thulesen Dahl (DPP)/Johanne Schmidt-Nielsen (Red Greens) 5.8
3.P Pia Olsen Dyhr (SPP) 5.3
4. HTS 5.2
5. Morten Østergaard 4.8
6. Søren Pape Poulsen (Cons.) 4.4
7. Anders Samuelsen (LA) 4.2
8. LLR (Liberals) 3.9
9. Uffe Elbæk 3.5

19  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Denmark Parliamentary Election 2015 on: April 21, 2015, 03:16:30 pm
HTS speaks in Fælledparken in Copenhagen despite the risk of getting shouted/whistled out by anarchists/activist types (and regular drunks). There was one year when she chose Aarhus instead, but anything else than Fælledparken would have seemed cowardly in an election year.

A Wilke poll shows that more voters now view HTS as better at conducting immigration and integration policy than LLR. So maybe the long SD nightmare of losing elections on "foreigner policy" is over.

Helle Thorning-Schmidt 39,6%
Lars Løkke Rasmussen 33,9%
Dunno 26,5%

She leads LLR on 5 of 7 policy areas:

Environment and climate:




Judicial policy:

Economic policy:


So HTS ahead on immigration and almost a tie on law and order..  right wing "value politics" my not work this time for the Libs. Not good news for Venstre. A bit surprising LLR is ahead on the economy actually, it is going quite well, but SD apparently can not win that game.
20  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Great Nordic Thread on: April 21, 2015, 02:40:42 pm
With a 97,5% majority (sounds impressive, but it was 40-1 among 1,443 members - Pirates are such slackers..) in a membership vote the Icelandic Pirate Party has decided to leave Pirate Parties International (PPI) saying it no longer works as a forum for  collaboration and do not represent their values.

The Australian and UK Pirate Pirates have also left PPI, and the Belgians have suspended their membership, so there is a story here. Do any Aussies or Brits know the background?

The Icelandic PP is still above 20% in polls and clearly the most successful PP at the moment.
21  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Northern Cyprus Presidential Election - April 19 and 26, 2015 on: April 21, 2015, 12:03:34 pm
The Republican Turkish Party has endorsed Akinci, so he is now the candidate of all major leftist/centre-left parties.

Very clear East/West divide btw:

(map uses red for Eroğlu and blue for Akinci, which is of course silly)
22  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Finnish parliamentary election – April 19th 2015 on: April 21, 2015, 06:51:36 am
Hmm...interesting.  You see that ring of blue around a dot of yellow - I'm assuming that that's Helsinki proper surrounded by rich suburbs that would naturally vote for the center-right.

Yellow is the Swedish Peoples Party.
23  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Italy 2014-2015: Habemus Presidentem! on: April 20, 2015, 09:12:18 pm
The standoff on electoral reform is coming to a close. Debate of the bill is about to start in the House, and Renzi has made it clear he won't accept any further amendment (which would force the bill to go back to the Senate, where the government's majority is very shaky). However, the anti-Renzi wing of the PD is up in arms against it, to an extent never seen before. Even the more moderate ones (like Bersani) seemingly seriously threaten to vote down the bill if changes aren't made. But Renzi has not flinched, and is even considering tying up the bill to a vote of confidence (effectively meaning "if the Italicum doesn't pass, this parliament goes down"). Today the PD has kicked out all the anti-Italicum PD members from the relevant parliamentary committee. Whatever happens, this will be a key test for both Renzi and the PD minority. The stakes are almost as high as they were for the Presidential election.

Are the anti-Renzi people ideologically coherent or are they fom different groups?
24  General Politics / International General Discussion / Brazil builds undersea internet cable to protect online privacy on: April 20, 2015, 08:46:59 pm
Good for them.


"Angered by Edward Snowden's revelations on the wiretapping habits of tri-lettered American agencies, Brazil is taking the internet into its own hands -- and giving Uncle Sam the middle finger. Right now most internet traffic between South America and Europe travels through the overly inquisitive US, but that's about to change. Next year, Brazil's Telebrás and Spain's IslaLink will begin laying £120 million worth of undersea internet cable to span the 5,600km of Atlantic Ocean between Fortaleza, Brazil, and Lisbon, Portugal. The Americans can just follow their allies' activities on Facebook like everyone else."
25  General Politics / Book Reviews and Discussion / Building the Nation - N.F.S. Grundtvig and Danish National Identity on: April 20, 2015, 06:53:32 pm
If anyone for some reason is seriously interested in Danish national identity, what Grundtvig and grundtvigianism is and why our national identity is composed in the peculiar way it is this anthology from McGill is the best I have seen in English.

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