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26  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / UT-Gov poll: Herbert crushes Matheson 57-33 on: April 21, 2015, 12:19:23 pm

Many Democrats are hoping former Rep. Jim Matheson decides to run for Governor in 2016. They should be careful what they wish for.
A new UtahPolicy.com survey finds Matheson would have a tough time if he faced off against Gov. Gary Herbert in 2016. 57% say they would either "definitely" or "probably" vote for Herbert while only 33% say Matheson. 11% of voters say they're undecided.


It's a Dan Jones poll, which routinely overpolls Republicans (they had Matheson losing to Mia Love in 2012 and Doug Owens losing by double-digits in 2014), but still a bad sign for Utah Dems. And it becomes less and less likely that Matheson will run for anything at all in 2016.
27  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How would a Kaine presidential campaign look like? on: April 21, 2015, 12:10:17 pm
He's a good VP candidate, but way too boring to be a presidential candidate.
28  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Cruz: Obama is an "unmitigated socialist" on: April 21, 2015, 12:09:12 pm
Well Obama is a socialist

How so?
29  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: SURPRISE! Some policemen are good people on: April 21, 2015, 11:54:46 am
unsurprising, considering the person in question is white.

Don't be so sure; here in Utah, corrupt cops tend to gun down white people (specifically, white people who are high on pot) relatively often.
30  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: By 2:1 ratio, Republicans are more loyal to Israel than US on: April 21, 2015, 11:50:26 am
And proud of it. America ain't what she used to be. I love both, but I miss what America *was*.

America. love it or leave it, you're either for us or against us. That's what we hear from the Atlas  every time the issue of Israel comes up.

Pretty much. Left-wingers only love America when they feel threatened by Israel. Pretty sad that left-wingers are jealous of our strongest ally in the Middle East. The only true democracy there (yes, Tunisia is one now too, but it's still young, I want to see how it progresses before labeling it as a true democracy).

Suuure we're jealous of a nation that oppresses the civil rights of Palestinians. You just keep on thinking that.
31  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Cops, city officials resign en masse after black mayor is elected on: April 20, 2015, 08:27:08 pm
I love Southeast Missouri. They're good folks. Perhaps it was a politically motivated situation.

You're just trolling everyone at this point, aren't you?
32  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Wisconsin's Shame: When the Left Repeatedly Violates Citizens' Rights on: April 20, 2015, 07:52:06 pm
So what evidence is there that politics were involved besides the article's speculation that they were targeted because of their support of the anti-union law?

Also, where was Scott Walker during all of this? You'd think he'd make a fuss about it, if it actually happened (I doubt it).

EDIT: Also, those "targeted" by the investigations say they don't trust police now. Welcome to 2010s America, guys.
33  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Closet Libertarians on: April 20, 2015, 07:11:33 pm
If the LP became a major party right now, whom of both parties would shed their current label and switch to the newly powerful Libertarian Party?

Justin Amash, maybe? He seems pretty close to the Ron Paul crowd.
34  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 1912 Election (The Hearse at Monticello) on: April 20, 2015, 07:10:55 pm
I hope Fighting Bob runs again later on, but for now, Debs is great, and has my support.
35  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Former Senator Larry Pressler (R/I-SD) now a Mormon. on: April 20, 2015, 07:07:38 pm

CHEVY CHASE, Md. The announcement was ordinary and without fanfare. Larry Pressler would be confirmed a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints during the weekly services of the Chevy Chase congregation.

But those who know the man from his three terms in the U.S. Senate and who have shared in his spiritual journey count Pressler whether referring to him as "senator," "brother" or just "Larry" as extraordinary.

On Sunday, April 19, Pressler was confirmed as a church member by Nevada Sen. Harry Reid, a Mormon who introduced him to the faith's signature book of scripture. He was baptized earlier in the day by Clayton Christensen, whose conviction of the Book of Mormon detailed in The New Yorker magazine compelled the former senator to seriously study the book.

The article is by the LDS Church-owned Deseret News (so it fawns a bit over any high-profile LDS converts), but apparently other sources confirm this. Very unexpected news. Would've been interesting if he managed to win the Senate seat last year and was baptized while in office.
36  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Syngman Rhee on: April 20, 2015, 12:21:38 am
Terrible, South Korea probably could've had someone less dictatoral and turned out alright.
37  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of the estate tax on: April 20, 2015, 12:18:59 am
I oppose it on moral grounds, but the way it is now isn't so bad as long as the tax is kept at a reasonable level.

Why is it immoral?
Because an individual should have the right to pass on his already taxed income to his heirs.

It only affects estates over $5 million. Do you honestly think that those estates have been legitimately taxed? That they haven't cravenly avoided any and all taxes while living?
38  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Marco Rubio on: April 20, 2015, 12:17:17 am
39  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Illinois on: April 20, 2015, 12:14:16 am
I love all of the "Would be FS without Chicago! Smiley " comments. Basically the equivalent of taking New York City out of New York State, or Boston out of Massachusetts, and then give an opinion. How would one even know what the state would be without these epicenters, as in most cases they've shaped the rest of the state because of their massive influence. Obviously Illinois is a massive FS because of Chicago, despite many nanny state tendencies. It would most likely be a boring right-wing hellhole like Indiana without it, but thankfully we can only speculate about it because Chicago doesn't seem to be going away anytime soon.

I feel the same about Salt Lake City and my own state. We wouldn't be whole without SLC.
40  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: California vs. Oregon on: April 19, 2015, 11:17:40 am
California is the embodiment of both good and bad things in American culture. It's incredibly influential. So I'd have to say California.
41  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Oklahoma approves exciting new method of killing inmates on: April 18, 2015, 11:34:16 pm
...You know what, I guess as much as I rag on Utah, at least we don't have literal gas chambers as a method of execution. Firing squads are bad too, but they're not gas chambers.
42  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of the estate tax on: April 18, 2015, 11:31:54 pm
If it isn't regressive, it's a freedom tax (not a purist Republican)

It's certainly better than cutting the services.
43  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Jeannette Rankin? on: April 18, 2015, 08:01:27 pm
Interestingly enough, Utah elected Martha Hughes Cannon, the first female state senator in the united states, after beating her husband (of whom she was a polygamist wife), and the leader of the LDS women's organization. I think the best part was the newspaper telling the husband to go back home and take care of the house.

It seems like a lot of early LDS converts were Welsh and English immigrants. Did they really aggressively proselytize in these communities or something? Mormons are such a homogenous bunch - virtually all of English/Welsh descent - and look radically different even from 19th century American demographics (virtually no German-American Mormons, for example).

Well, the fact that many American Mormons are English/Welsh really comes from the fact that the early LDS missionaries were quite successful (literally converting thousands of people in a couple of decades), and those same converts were asked to go back and convert more English/Welsh folks, before settling in Utah.

Plus, most European governments weren't fond of yet another Protestant-seeming sect running around in their nations, especially when polygamy was publicly announced. We got a lot of converts in England/Wales before polygamy was widely known, and the momentum just carried on to Utah.

And it's interesting that you say that there's no German-American Mormons; that was true then, but now... not so much. Lots of growth in Germany after WW2. Though during WW2 there were both LDS Nazi collaborators and anti-Nazi rebels (Helmuth Hubener being the most famous of the rebels).

Oh, and early LDS missionaries were also successful in bringing Scandinavian converts to Utah, especially Danish-Americans. There's a lot of Jensens and such in Utah.
44  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Group proposes signature competition for 3rd party access to prez debates on: April 18, 2015, 07:36:43 pm
I'd be fine with allowing third-party candidates into the debates even if they're whackos. If they are truly crazy and bad at hiding it, then they won't get much support. If they have a good message, however...
45  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: GOP congressman: Obamacare will make America like North Korea on: April 18, 2015, 07:32:00 pm
And "capitalist" South Korea has a universal health insurance program far more comprehensive than what the ACA does.

David Brat is a moron. It's troubling to think this man was awarded a PhD and a university faculty position.

At least he beat Cantor. Brat will never have a leadership position, and Cantor was a jerk, so Brat's comments, while stupid, won't affect anything.
46  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 1912 Conventions (The Hearse at Monticello) on: April 18, 2015, 07:29:12 pm
Fighting Bob for the convention.
47  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: sheldon whitehouse for vp on: April 18, 2015, 10:38:38 am
He should run for president one day. President Whitehouse is basically the best thing ever.
48  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: "Judge" James Carville filmed pilot for Courtroom Show on: April 18, 2015, 02:42:33 am
49  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Should residents of American Samoa receive US citizenship? on: April 18, 2015, 01:31:09 am
Yes, this is a no-brainer question.
50  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: By 2:1 ratio, Republicans are more loyal to Israel than US on: April 18, 2015, 01:29:34 am
I feel like Israel has a right to exist (and that other Middle Eastern nations should recognize that), but that they shouldn't be so harsh to Palestinians.
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