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26  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Are religions that use military power instead of moral authority and persuasion on: February 21, 2017, 02:06:59 pm
Are religions that use military power instead of moral authority and persuasion to convert us, worthy of us?

I was reading of my Gnostic Christian history, --- which grew itself without violence and with moral authority, --- and noted that both Christianity and Islam have both grown themselves through military conquest as compared to moral authority gained by persuasion.

We have had to suffer many Holy Wars, Inquisitions and jihads instead of those religions winning us over by good deeds and a better moral code.

Both Islam and Christianity say they respect Jesus and he said that we would recognize his people by their good deed, not war, so I think that Jesus would condemn both Christianity and especially Islam, given that they are both homophobic and misogynous religions who refuse to grant gays and women full equality. Christianity is slowly moving to equality while Islam is not.

Further, most religious laws have been bested by secular humanist laws, thanks to equality provisions and have already rejected the laws of those immoral Gods and their religions.

Given that violence instead of a better moral code has been used to grow Christianity and Islam, should moral people reject both Islam and Christianity as unfit to convert us to their religions?

Regards
DL

http://bigthink.com/videos/jelani-cobb-on-military-vs-moral-power-2

Let's be honest, if the various strands of Gnostic Christianity had gotten popular enough to be associated with imperial or monarchical power, they would have been enamored of military force just as any other faith.

So that excuses all the murders that Christianity and Islam are responsible for and makes them good religions. Ok.

BTW, Gnostic mystery schools where quite popular and widespread. That is why it took centuries for Christianity to reduce us to what we are today.

We are presently growing while Christianity is shrinking.

Regards
DL


It doesn't excuse the murders, no, but it does mean that your Gnosticism isn't pure and innocent like you claim.
27  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Next DNC Chair: Ray Buckley drops out, endorses Ellison on: February 21, 2017, 02:02:42 pm

Warning: The comments are cancerous.

-"Lewis is a segregationist and a fake civil rights antagonist and Ellison is a Muslim Bortherhood jihadist recruiter. They were made for the demonic party."

-"That's the ticket, an anti-semitic, anti-white muslim."

-"When the horse dies, it is time to dismount. He's not going anywhere else. The dems don't get it."

-"pulling the party left is a losing tactic. Hillary was just a historically horrid candidate. The country is still center. Appointing these dummies will cement the coastal losing legacy for dems."

LOL.

Well, it's The Hill. Their comment section is about as cancerous as Youtube.
28  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump family trips cost taxpayers $11.3m in one month on: February 21, 2017, 01:49:35 pm
I'm willing to allow this taxpayer expense.... if he forgoes the wall.
29  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Marine Le Pen refuses to wear headscarf for meeting with Lebanon's Grand Mufti on: February 21, 2017, 01:43:11 pm
Far from a fan of Le Pen, but I think it's the right stand to take.

This. She shouldn't have to. Just as French women shouldn't have to take their veils off if they don't want to.
30  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: What is the left wing equivalent to Breitbart? on: February 21, 2017, 01:38:05 pm
Mother Jones, maybe?
31  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: How would you vote on repealing Dodd-Frank and reinstating Glass-Stegall? on: February 21, 2017, 01:36:11 pm
Nay and Aye.

Regulation is rarely a bad thing.
Particularly regulation on the entities that got us into the whole economic mess both times.

1970s and 2008-09?
Great Depression and Great Recession is what I'm talking about.
32  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: John Oliver sums Putin up well on: February 21, 2017, 01:35:24 pm
John Oliver is a clown and has been exposed as such many times.
Well yes, John Oliver is a comedian. That lends well to being a clown.
33  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Are religions that use military power instead of moral authority and persuasion on: February 21, 2017, 12:56:33 am
Also, if I recall correctly, Gnostic groups like the Paulicans did conquer territory outside of their "homelands". I don't know if they force-converted anyone, but some Gnostics were not adverse to military force.
34  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Are religions that use military power instead of moral authority and persuasion on: February 21, 2017, 12:49:48 am
Are religions that use military power instead of moral authority and persuasion to convert us, worthy of us?

I was reading of my Gnostic Christian history, --- which grew itself without violence and with moral authority, --- and noted that both Christianity and Islam have both grown themselves through military conquest as compared to moral authority gained by persuasion.

We have had to suffer many Holy Wars, Inquisitions and jihads instead of those religions winning us over by good deeds and a better moral code.

Both Islam and Christianity say they respect Jesus and he said that we would recognize his people by their good deed, not war, so I think that Jesus would condemn both Christianity and especially Islam, given that they are both homophobic and misogynous religions who refuse to grant gays and women full equality. Christianity is slowly moving to equality while Islam is not.

Further, most religious laws have been bested by secular humanist laws, thanks to equality provisions and have already rejected the laws of those immoral Gods and their religions.

Given that violence instead of a better moral code has been used to grow Christianity and Islam, should moral people reject both Islam and Christianity as unfit to convert us to their religions?

Regards
DL

http://bigthink.com/videos/jelani-cobb-on-military-vs-moral-power-2

Let's be honest, if the various strands of Gnostic Christianity had gotten popular enough to be associated with imperial or monarchical power, they would have been enamored of military force just as any other faith.
35  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: religion in the 115th Congress on: February 21, 2017, 12:28:24 am
There's not a single emergent Christian in Congress. Quit whining.

What on earth is an "emergent Christian"?
36  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Next DNC Chair: Ray Buckley drops out, endorses Ellison on: February 20, 2017, 11:43:15 pm
Am I the only one who likes Perez, Ellison, and Buttigieg, and thinks any of the three would do a fine job?
37  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: H.R. McMaster is the new National Security Advisor on: February 20, 2017, 11:40:51 pm
A reasonably solid pick, let's see what happens next.
38  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Who will win the Democratic leadership debate tonight? on: February 20, 2017, 11:36:38 pm
The person I like.
39  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: US States political ideology and party identification on: February 20, 2017, 11:30:00 pm
Yeah, Utah's 44 Republican 18 Democrat identification make me sad, especially since I know many of the Independents are Republican leaners anyway. Even if the Democrats got 1% more this time.
40  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Should the MSP airport Charles Lindbergh Terminal be renamed? on: February 20, 2017, 11:28:53 pm
Paul Wellstone Terminal, despite the connotations, still sounds the best.
41  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Which is a bigger problem in public restrooms? on: February 20, 2017, 11:18:38 pm
write-in: Larry Craig.
42  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Primus Inter Pares - 1995 Conservative Leadership Election (2nd Ballot) on: February 20, 2017, 11:18:11 pm
I'd be pro Heseltine, I think.
43  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: How would you vote on repealing Dodd-Frank and reinstating Glass-Stegall? on: February 20, 2017, 11:14:36 pm
Nay and Aye.

Regulation is rarely a bad thing.
Particularly regulation on the entities that got us into the whole economic mess both times.
44  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Jacobin (magazine) on: February 20, 2017, 11:09:47 pm
I don't always agree with them, but I am glad they exist. Occasionally they publish some insightful pieces that help make sense of the post Alt Right world.
45  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Bill Gates: robots should pay taxes on: February 18, 2017, 11:39:45 pm
...but we can all use automobiles and computers. As production becomes a monopoly of a class that can dispense with people as employees, then we have a huge dichotomy between  productivity and people.   

Agreed. I don't know much more about the dynamics of this proposal, but I could see myself supporting this.
46  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump tells rally about non-existent terrorist attack in Sweden "last night" on: February 18, 2017, 11:35:56 pm
The media need to leave Trump alone. They're the ones who can't be trusted; they don't want to report on Muslim terror because it hurts their liberal agenda of importing millions of Muslims to form an alliance with the left to overthrow the will of the American people. We finally have a President willing to take on the lying media, who're the true enemies of America and have done nothing but try to tear down a good, honest man like President Trump. /s

So tell us, what exactly would have been the proper way for the media to have covered this fictional Muslim terror attack that didn't happen?

The "/s" at the end indicates that J_American was being sarcastic with the whole post.
47  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Rep. Tom Reed (R, NY-23) fiercely criticized at town hall on: February 18, 2017, 11:34:25 pm
Tom Reed barely survived in 2012 against a Democrat that wasn't that well-known, Nate Shinagawa.  The district lines are still the same. 

If Tom keeps it up, he's toast.

Would Shinagawa be willing to run again?
48  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Austrian youth prison, now with 50%+ Muslims, gets mosque on: February 18, 2017, 11:31:11 pm
Yeah, the government providing prisoners with conditions to worship their religion... a terrible state intervention.
49  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: For how long should the people who took down Flynn be jailed? on: February 16, 2017, 12:45:26 pm
A single day. No more, no less.
50  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Is being a Mormon a prerequisite to getting elected in Utah? on: February 15, 2017, 03:31:50 am
At this point? Yes. It shouldn't be so, but it's de facto true.

There have only been three non-Mormon Governors of Utah, and I think only two non-Mormon Senators. It's been over 100 years for the Senators, and over 60 years for the governors. So I think that it's necessary to be Mormon to win.

However, you don't seem to have to be more than perfunctory Mormons (MINOs, I suppose). As I understand it, Cal Rampton and Scott Matheson were not very devout Mormons and they both won twice (Rampton a third time).

Is still also the case for lower level elected governmental offices in Utah?

Is the mayor of SLC a partisan office??? What about State House/ Senate districts based in heavily Democratic SLC?Huh

Isn't SLC about 40% Catholic or something of that nature, and LDS members are a minority of the city vote--- recall reading something of that nature awhile back, but couldn't recall if it was an historical stat or relatively current....

Not very familiar with local Utah politics, so rather than go through all of the research figured one of our few resident experts on Utah politics would be able pull this up much more quickly and with a high caliber analysis....    Smiley

It's not the case for the state legislature or county offices, there's plenty of non-Mormons (pretty much all Democrats) in those offices.

Mayor of SLC is not partisan, and is held by a gay non-Mormon, and hasn't had a Mormon mayor for a couple decades now. County Mayor is held by a moderate Mormon Democrat.

There's only about 3 Mormon Democrats in the state legislature, the rest are various other religions. There is one non-Mormon Republican, and one who "prefers not to say".

Salt Lake City is still plurality Mormon, but definitely not majority Mormon anymore. In fact, I think the area that contains LDS Church headquarters is represented by an openly gay state senator and also an openly gay city councilman. I don't know where you got the Catholic numbers.

In speaking of having to be Mormon, I mostly mean the statewide offices. Lower offices are fair game for non-Mormon, though they tend to be represented by Mormons anyway, unless they're Democrats.
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