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26  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Gallup: Record Few Americans Believe Bible Is Literal Word of God on: May 18, 2017, 12:11:07 pm
Interestingly,  some LDS religious teachers are now taking non-literal but inspired approach, even though we've seen it as mostly literal for most of our existence.
27  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Roger Ailes dead at 76 on: May 18, 2017, 11:56:39 am
Awful, awful person. I won't say good riddance, but his brand of media and his sexual harassment harmed many, many people.
28  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Lawrence O'Donnell might be leaving MSNBC on: May 18, 2017, 11:55:10 am
Lawrence O'Donnell is a profoundly anti-Mormon jerk, so good riddance.
29  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Great Brazil Topic on: May 18, 2017, 11:53:18 am
Breaking news: Michel Temer has been caught on tape asking JBS' CEO Joesley Batista to pay bribes to Eduardo Cunha to avoid a whistleblower agreement from Cunha.

This is the end of Michel Temer. I expect him to resign pretty soon after this.
Jeez, Brazil is going through presidents like flies. I guess for lack of a better option, Lula would probably be best, right?
30  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Most corrupt Democrat President? on: May 18, 2017, 11:45:10 am
Definitely LBJ.
31  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: What about the Mormon vote? on: May 18, 2017, 11:44:03 am
Mormans don't seem to mind immigrants. At least that is my impression. Perhaps part of it, is that is just more souls to reach out to.
Yes, and a lot of our new converts happen to be from Latin America/South America. We have 1 million each in both Mexico and Brazil respectively.

In fact, a couple years back there was a mess over a Guatemalan LDS bishop (head of one congregation) being deported, and the LDS Church determined not to let that happen again.

We don't like xenophobia, and a great deal of our former missionary members have ties of one kind or another to the southern half of the Americas.

Also, I hate to be a pendant, but there's no "A" in Mormons. Just two "O"s. Or you can call us Mermans, at least that would be funny. Tongue
32  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Protesters with torches chant "all white lives matter," "Russia is our friend" on: May 16, 2017, 06:50:03 pm
Robert E. Lee might have been a good guy in the context of the Confederacy, but how is it even possible to call him a freedom fighter when he literally led an army based around defending slavery? It just can't be done.
Also he was a slaveholder who had no intention of freeing his own slaves in his lifetime, sought to acquire more slaves, and if I recall, beat his slaves personally. Not a nice guy.
33  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Nancy Pelosi - Never thought I'd be praying for Bush to be President on: May 16, 2017, 01:38:24 am
I'm guessing this is going to be a ultra-purist progressive grievance thread, so I'm just going to say that she was just making a point about Trump being even worse than Bush.
34  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of flawless, beautiful Sebastian (Kurz) ? on: May 16, 2017, 01:34:19 am
He looks like a young-ish Bond villain.
35  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Have you fully read a religious text? on: May 15, 2017, 08:12:52 pm
The Book of Mormon is 531 pages, so yes, I have.

Don't forget the Doctrine and Covenants and Pearl of Great Price! Those are another couple hundred pages.
36  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Hillary Clinton officially launches "Onward Together" PAC on: May 15, 2017, 08:11:07 pm
I don't care either way about Hillary launching a PAC but "Onward Together" sounds vaguely worrisome.
37  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: The True North — New Democratic Party Leadership Election, 2012 on: May 15, 2017, 11:10:17 am
Cullen, let's continue Layton's legacy!
38  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: What's your opinion on the MS Democratic Party? on: May 14, 2017, 11:36:31 am
Pretty sad tbh. At least in Oklahoma the Dems put out decent statewide candidates. In Mississippi? Not so much.

Jim Hood?
39  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump: ‘In America We Do Not Worship Government, We Worship God’ on: May 13, 2017, 11:21:50 pm
Sure you can worship government!

"Praise be to the income tax, and Medicaid, may their bountous blessings guide our lives."

Tongue
40  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: What's your opinion on the MS Democratic Party? on: May 13, 2017, 11:19:11 pm
As with the OK Dems, they try their best.
41  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of the Voting Rights Act of 1965 on: May 13, 2017, 10:53:45 am
4 Republican HP votes?... Okay then.
42  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: What about the Mormon vote? on: May 12, 2017, 01:27:42 am
Basically immigration and identity issues. Specifically the clash of Mormon identity against Trump's very un-Mormon identity.
43  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Would You Feel Discomfort if Your Child Dated a Muslim? on: May 12, 2017, 01:16:07 am
Yes. But mostly because I would prefer that they date a Mormon, as I said in the other poll.
44  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Best and Worst Senators of the Past 25 Years: Indiana on: May 12, 2017, 01:13:32 am
Dang, I wish Birch Bayh was on the list. Besides maybe Lugar, what a sorry bunch.
45  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of the Oklahoma Democratic Party on: May 11, 2017, 04:17:51 pm
Looks like a horrible party; they support tax increases and public schools and whine about Russia all the time. Also try to present themselves as Moderate Heroes.
http://okdemocrats.org/odp-rules/

...I don't see what's wrong with the first two things?
46  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: NDP Leadership Convention 2017 (2018) on: May 11, 2017, 02:04:09 pm
From what I understand, Jagmeet is Obama-level charismatic, and has pretty good campaigning skills, right? He sounds like an excellent candidate, though not without his flaws (he appears to have a taste for the expensive).
47  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of the Oklahoma Democratic Party on: May 11, 2017, 01:52:41 pm
They do their best.
48  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: The Mormonism Thread 2.0 on: May 11, 2017, 01:57:25 am
So right now I'd like to talk about the highest leadership in the LDS Church: The First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve, and the way LDS presidential succession works.

1) Russell M Nelson: Apostle since 1984, Nelson was formerly a heart doctor, and has been present at many firsts in heart surgery. He even performed heart surgery on an apostle that later became church president. Nelson is currently 92 years old, and appears to be in relatively good shape for that age. If he outlives Monson (likely), he will become the next church president. He's had a few socially conservative talks, but his focus is usually on healing and learning.

2) Dallin H Oaks: Apostle since 1984, Utah Supreme Court Judge from 1980 to 1984, and President of BYU from 1971 to 1980. Oaks is probably one of the more conservative apostles, and often has strong "culture warrior" talks focusing on religious liberty and the right of the church to speak its own opinion. Mormon liberals don't tend to like him. He is 84 years old and in good health. He tends to give his sermons like a lawyer laying out a case. Despite being ordained at the same time as Nelson, Oaks is younger than Nelson, so is junior to him.



Excellent recap of the Church leadership.

But to my understanding and study, age has nothing to do with seniority in the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, but everything to do with date and time of ordination to the Quorum.

So the reason Nelson is senior to Oaks in the quorum is because Nelson was ordained to the quorum in April 1984 and Oaks was ordained to the quorum in May 1984.  Therefore, due to the fact that Nelson was ordained before Oaks, Nelson is senior to Oaks in the quorum.

It has nothing to do with the fact that Nelson is older than Oaks, but simply because Nelson was ordained before Oaks.

If two or more new Apostles are ordained on the same day, they would take their places in seniority in the quorum in the order in which they were ordained.
 

 
Correct, I was mistaken, though I believe the original Joseph Smith-era rules had to do with age, so I might have mistakenly thought they were still institutional rules.
49  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Congressman Ro Khanna (CA-17) becomes a Justice Democrat ! on: May 11, 2017, 01:50:06 am
Isn't he the rich guy who basically challenged incumbents until he won? I thought he was more of a business Dem.
50  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Best and Worst Senators of the Past 25 Years: Illinois on: May 11, 2017, 01:47:03 am
Simon/Burris.
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