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1  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Candidate Declaration Thread on: Today at 04:18:33 am
Running for House.
2  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Southeast and Southwest democrats strategy on: Today at 12:28:34 am
Yes, democrats can win WI and MI next time or even the time after that, but the long term trendlines are clear, they need to focus on GA, AZ, FL, NC, TX.  Eventually MI and WI will go.

Only if WWCs continue bleeding from the Democratic Party, which doesn't have to be the case.
3  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Next DNC Chair: Ellison endorsed by many Democrats, Dean drops out of race on: December 03, 2016, 11:45:17 pm
a populist would alienate working-class voters?

this seems like a strange concept for me.

once again: those people voted for effing BARACK hussein OBAMA.
Obama is more moderate than Ellison. I don't think Ellison is necessarily anti-semitic, but the ADL opposes him being picked. I don't rember the ADL opposing Obama's candidacy for President. I think someone more moderate would be a better choice. There isn't really a party that favorably views moderates like me.

oh, i am pretty much concernced about the kind of anti-zionism on the left which often ignores faults in other states and/or in the actions of israel's enemies.

but...to paraphrase:

would a moderate have voted for wasserman-schultz? especially since this job includes tainting your soul.
No, a moderate like me would not vote for Waserman-Schultz. I think someone far more centrist would be a good choice to appeal to rural and suburban voters.

This isn't 1996 my guy. Wishy washy centrism isn't a good course for the Democrats politically if they want to win back rural voters. The Democratic Party needs to become a full on working-class party if it wants to compete in places like Pennsylvania and Michigan. Clintonite neoliberalism will only further damage the Democratic Party in rural areas.
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton Allies Plot Anti-Trump Insurgency on: December 03, 2016, 05:23:52 pm
Nah it was Salty Bern Bro's like you dumb asses that did that.
You chose to run a corporatist with a high unfavorable rating and a trillion scandals over the most popular senator in the country. That seemed to work out pretty well against Trump, didn't it?
Keep up the damn salt.  It helps no one but makes you look like the child you are.

The Clinton campaign was about electability against someone with fairly radical views, and she lost against Donald Trump. You and all other Clinton hacks have no business whatsoever complaining about salt.
Learn to get over the damn primary.  If you think Clinton was so bad, Bernie lost to her.  He couldn't be so great if that happened.

Primary electorate ≠ general electorate. It's consensus at this point that Sanders would've defeated Trump - even if for unfair reasons like not being accused of things that Clinton didn't do either.

I should mention I'd be on your side about salty bernie bros if Clinton lost to, say, John Kasich - and obviously you would be in the right if Clinton, ya know, won.

But now we all have to live under DONALD TRUMP. Bernie supporters are perfectly understandable to be damn angry about this choke artist job of a GE campaign. You're wasting your energy, you're biting the newbies, and you're the one acting like an angry child.

Honey, Bernie Sanders would have been shredded by Trump and the republican hit machine.  Why do you think they defended him in the primary's.  The damn rape essay would have sunk him, not to mention everything else that would have come out.  His damn folder of scandals is huge.  So much to hit him one.  So please stop with that damn line of thinking.

Unlike other Sanders supporters, I never thought that his high favorability ratings during the primaries would hold up in the general election, and thought up until about a month before the general election that Clinton was the stronger candidate to face Trump. In retrospect, however, I was completely wrong about that; Sanders' favorability ratings would've sunk had he won the nomination, yes, but just as Trump had a unique opening as an insurgent candidate against someone like Clinton who could be easily portrayed as an establishment shill, I think that Sanders would've been the perfect candidate to expose Trump as the anti-worker, corrupt Wall Street shill that he really is, and while Sanders wouldn't have won in some massive blowout like the hypothetical polls showed, he would've almost certainly shored up states like PA, MI, etc. while also keeping freiwal states like Virginia and Colorado in his column due to through-the-roof millennial turnout and a lower-than-expected exodus of professionals from the Democratic Party.

Anyway, we're not just being "salty" over things of the past; this article is about how the Clintonistas are sucking up to the donor class, a group that needs to be purged immediately from the Democratic Party if we want to become the party of the working-class again.

Also, re: Sanders' endorsement of Schumer - I'm disappointed in that, too.
5  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Predict the next Democratic primary poll(s) on: December 03, 2016, 05:10:30 pm
Around the time Iowa voting begins it will be: 35% Warren, 30% Castro, 22% Booker, 8% Cuomo, 2% Bullock

wtf
6  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Virginia 2018 - Will Carly Fiorina run against Tim Kaine? on: December 03, 2016, 04:50:39 pm
Hard to say. Comstock is the only one who could win, and I suspect that she'll pass on seeking a promotion in a Trump midterm and instead wait for brighter days (pretty likely open seat in 2020, for instance). Perhaps she'll make the opposite calculation of the state being more Republican than her House seat (which was true in 2016, but not in 2012), but I don't think she'll want to run against an incumbent Kaine.

In which case Republicans will just need someone just credible enough to put the race on the table and force Democrats to put in effort here. Fiorina could be that person, why not?

You think so? I can't stand Warner and would love for him to retire, but has he signaled his intention to not run again in 2020?
7  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Will climate change push coastal districts to the left? on: December 03, 2016, 04:37:44 pm
Quite possibly. I've been pondering what the effects of climate change, once it becomes an absolutely un-ignorable phenomenon (probably a defining feature of the 2020s), will be on electoral politics - I could see, similar to how a terrorist attack in the days before an election can push a right-wing candidate over the line, an ecological disaster near election-day could be the saving grace for the candidate of the left.
8  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Next DNC Chair: Ellison endorsed by many Democrats, Dean drops out of race on: December 03, 2016, 04:33:31 pm
Here's the real question: Will Ellison actually meaningfully change anything about the Democratic policy on Israel/Palestine? I doubt it. If its becoming more anti-Israeli and pro-Palestinian, it was likely to do that even with Chuck Schumer as DNC Chair. If its not becoming more pro-Palestinian already, then its unlikely to do so with Ellison.

Besides, with Schumer watching, I doubt Ellison will be able to do anything too "anti-Israel".

Will it have a long-term toxic effect on the Dems' Israel policy? Absolutely, but that likely won't come into play until they control the government again.

FWIW, I see Keith Ellison as a likely Secretary of State choice if a Sanders(-esque candidate) wins the Democratic nomination and the presidency in the next few cycles; in addition to being a member of the Foreign Affairs Committee, Ellison worked heavily with Bush and Rice to promote the State Department abroad, has taken a wide array of official visits to other countries with fellow Congressmen, and IIRC was occasionally mentioned as a possible SoS or U.N. Ambassador for Obama. That being said, his controversial positions on Israeli policy might make him a tough pill to swallow for a divided Senate, so in the above scenario, I think Feingold would be a more likely State pick, especially since he's completely out of a job now.

Feingold would be so great.

Yeah, that was the silver lining for me regarding his loss to Johnson this year; at least he'll be able to take a cabinet position such Secretary of State (given his career in both the Foreign Relations Committee and the Department of State) now that his career in electoral politics is probably over.
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Next DNC Chair: Ellison endorsed by many Democrats, Dean drops out of race on: December 03, 2016, 04:23:44 pm
Here's the real question: Will Ellison actually meaningfully change anything about the Democratic policy on Israel/Palestine? I doubt it. If its becoming more anti-Israeli and pro-Palestinian, it was likely to do that even with Chuck Schumer as DNC Chair. If its not becoming more pro-Palestinian already, then its unlikely to do so with Ellison.

Besides, with Schumer watching, I doubt Ellison will be able to do anything too "anti-Israel".

Will it have a long-term toxic effect on the Dems' Israel policy? Absolutely, but that likely won't come into play until they control the government again.

FWIW, I see Keith Ellison as a likely Secretary of State choice if a Sanders(-esque candidate) wins the Democratic nomination and the presidency in the next few cycles; in addition to being a member of the Foreign Affairs Committee, Ellison worked heavily with Bush and Rice to promote the State Department abroad, has taken a wide array of official visits to other countries with fellow Congressmen, and IIRC was occasionally mentioned as a possible SoS or U.N. Ambassador under Obama.

That being said, his controversial positions on Israeli policy might make him a tough pill to swallow for a divided Senate, so in the above scenario, I think Feingold would be a more likely State pick, especially since he's completely out of a job in both domestic (the Senate) and foreign (DoS) politics now, so unless he takes a lobbyist job in the next few years, his schedule will probably be cleared.
10  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Donald Trump vs. Shaun King on: December 03, 2016, 03:41:33 pm
I find it hard to believe democrats will nominate a white man in 2020
One cool thing about this election is that now our blue avatars don't even pretend anymore that they aren't racists.
I'm sure Rachel dolezal agrees

According to Shaun King (who does appear to be black based on his childhood photos), while the man  listed on his birth certificate is indeed a white man, his mother had an affair with a light-skin black person (and won't share any more details about the affair with King, for understandable reasons) which resulted in Shaun King's conception. I don't think that this is a Dolezal situation.
11  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Sam Spade Memorial Good Post Gallery on: December 03, 2016, 03:23:32 pm
150 years most Americans would have viewed the idea of the "American Nation" as a unifying characteristic between the residents of the several states as laughable. "The United States" was a plural noun into the 1890's, an uncomfortable power sharing agreement between a set of very different people and states. If one completely arbitrary nation can be formed around common ideals and agreements to not kill each other I see no reason it couldn't happen on a much larger scale.

Trump's mindset is frozen in an outdated nationalism that, god willing, will not exist within a generation or two.
12  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Petition to Ban Pingvin99 on: December 03, 2016, 03:15:00 pm
Do you think she could be a strong candidate? Imagine if Trump lost to another celebrity.
You should stop posting. Forever. Turn off your computer, unplug it forever, and just walk away. Just walk away.
Dumbest post I've read all year. By far. I honestly believe you don't deserve to breathe anymore. Please do us all a favor and take a knife or pen, whatever you can find with a point, and push it up into your jugular vein. You are the stupidest ing moronic retard I've ever seen post on here and the world would be a better place if you weren't in it.

13  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Lena Dunham on: December 03, 2016, 03:06:58 pm
Crossposting from the Shaun King 2020 thread:

I feel like a lot of you guys lack a ton of common sense when discussing hypotheticals like these. It's not like people are randomly thrust into the Democratic nomination; if Shaun King Lena Dunham turned out to be so politically talented and so popular among the Democratic base that he was able to successfully sell herself to a plurality of Dem. primary voters, that alone will guarantee her at least 45% in the general election. As such, she'd easily receive 180+ EVs and could certainly end up doing much better than that.

As much as I hate Lena Dunham, in the Bizarro World that we live in, I'd feel much better about her chances in a GE than a generic "normie" politico like Vilsack; I could see her pushing millennial voters to turn out in droves comparable to Trump's affect on rural voters this cycle.
14  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Donald Trump vs. Shaun King on: December 03, 2016, 03:03:17 pm
I feel like a lot of you guys lack a ton of common sense when discussing hypotheticals like these. It's not like people are randomly thrust into the Democratic nomination; if Shaun King turned out to be so politically talented and so popular among the Democratic base that he was able to successfully sell himself to a plurality of Dem. primary voters, that alone will guarantee him at least 45% in the general election. As such, he'd easily receive 180+ EVs and could certainly end up doing much better than that.
15  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton Allies Plot Anti-Trump Insurgency on: December 03, 2016, 12:41:51 am
F**k off 3rd way, you gave us Trump.
16  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump calls the President of Taiwan, risking rift with China on: December 02, 2016, 07:23:52 pm
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madman_theory

There's no way that Trump will actually seek to officially recognize Taiwan. His elite group of puppetmasters aren't going to risk going to war with China; the global economy (and their pockets in the process) would be crippled beyond repair.
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Michelle Alexander 2020? on: December 02, 2016, 04:41:13 pm
Nice. Imaginative. But, I do not not perceive Michelle Alexander as one who supports this current Democratic Party or would want to be in U.S. politics.

She's stated before that she is opposed to participating in the two-party system, though it is worth noting that her husband is a sitting U.S. Attorney.
18  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Why does everyone hate Jesse Jackson? on: December 01, 2016, 12:34:05 pm
...because he's an open anti-Semite?
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Sen. Graham plans new "Dreamer" bill on: December 01, 2016, 12:43:54 am
Trump-affiliated rich guy Bill Stern was likely to mount a run for Governor next cycle prior to the appointment of Haley as U.N. Ambassador (which will result in Trump ally McMaster ascending to the Governorship), so I could definitely see him challenging Graham, and with the backing of the White House, he'd probably win the primary.
20  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: PEOTUS Wants to strip citizenship or jail Flag Burners on: December 01, 2016, 12:41:03 am
Europe hates freedom, lets not copy them thankyouverymuch.


Flag burning is a protest.  As long as it's not a stolen flag and fire safety is followed, people should be able to burn whatever the hell they want.  Holy books, flags, draft cards, bras, etc.

Yep.  My sister studied in Germany last year, and the disconnect between your average European and average American on freedom of expression was almost unbelievable.  They would very understandably say, "Well, given our history, we are very weary of hate speech" ... but I don't buy it.  If anything, the Nazi era should have strengthened resolve for being able to stand up and say whatever you believe without fear of retribution from your government.

However, I know that is the inherent liberty-lovin' ignoramus in me.  The rest of the world has thought of us as a bunch of liberty-above-all lunatic hicks since the Revolution, and I'm fine with that. Smiley

They have valid reasoning for opposing legalized hate speech. It's considerably more difficult to use demagogic politics and incite hate when such remarks are punishable by law. This protects the vulnerable from the freedom of the priviliged to mistreat them and construct a sociopolitical atmosphere of abuse.

That's a debate for another time, but Americans (IMO thankfully) have historically valued liberty and freedom from government censorship of dissenting political thought - no matter how much it offends the majority - too much to ever go down that path of restricting free speech that much.

In the abstract? Sure. Unfortunately, when push comes to shove, Americans are more than happy to restrict the rights of unpopular groups.
21  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: FL-Gravis: Democrats with slight advantage, but many undecideds on: November 30, 2016, 11:18:12 pm
D+1

In all seriousness, though, it's way too soon for us to know anything about this race.
Let's also remember the democrats haven't won a Florida gubernatorial election since 1994

...and let's also remember that Democrats have been within a point of picking up the FL governorship in both of the last two Republican wave elections.
22  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Conservatives only: Opinion of Justin Trudeau on: November 30, 2016, 10:12:46 pm
Not a conservative but I took the opportunity to give a HP vote to him anyway.
23  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Lief Reservoir of Simple Truths and Smart One-Liners on: November 30, 2016, 07:46:57 pm
Sure, let's continue to prop up non-Americans while our own citizens receive no such aid. I hope Graham's dandy self gets primaried like no tomorrow next election.

Senator Graham is disgusting.

Can't wait for Trump and hopefully Ryan to put this loser into his place.

This is Trumps Party now. Our immigration laws will be enforced.

Trump and your party are sociopaths.

Enforcing immigration laws is literally hitlerism.

One of the great things Obama has done is deport 3 million illegal immigrants. Hopefully Trump can ramp up the process.

53 posts in one day? Really?
24  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Lief Reservoir of Simple Truths and Smart One-Liners on: November 30, 2016, 06:28:40 pm
Sure, let's continue to prop up non-Americans while our own citizens receive no such aid. I hope Graham's dandy self gets primaried like no tomorrow next election.

Senator Graham is disgusting.

Can't wait for Trump and hopefully Ryan to put this loser into his place.

This is Trumps Party now. Our immigration laws will be enforced.

Trump and your party are sociopaths.
25  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: 'No absolute tax cut' for the rich, says Trump's Treasury pick on: November 30, 2016, 03:02:57 pm
http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/politics/no-absolute-tax-cut-for-the-rich-says-trumps-treasury-pick

Oh well.  I guess the dream was fun while it lasted.  I guess the Obama tax rates will mostly stay.  Hopefully Obamacare gets repealed so at least the Obamacare taxes will go away.

Anyway.  It seems what Trump wants is to reduce tax rates but also get rid of deductions.  This will shift the tax burden within the high income brackets.  So there will be winners and losers.  Mortgage interest seems one of the big ones Trump might go after.

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