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1  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Scottish Independence Referendum - 18 September 2014 on: Today at 06:27:49 pm
ICM: No 45, Yes 41
Survation: No 48, Yes 44
Opinium: No 47, Yes 43
2  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Best Cities for Millennials on: Today at 05:12:12 pm
Well, maybe Baltimore in 5-10 years.

Haven't people been saying that for about three decades now?
3  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Lumine for President! - A New Course for Atlasia on: Today at 05:01:17 pm
You, sir, are a fascist.
4  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Candidate Declaration Thread on: Today at 01:29:11 pm
I am running for President.
5  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Vote for the Great Socialist! on: Today at 01:28:39 pm

War, West Virginia

People of Atlasia, I, the Great Socialist, have an announcement to make of unparalleled historical importance. You the great mass of socially and economically downtrodden people have suffered enough. For too long you have been ruled by a narrow and self serving elite that promotes its interests over yours; the interests of party hacks and of cronies over that of the ordinary working member of our society! The worst offenders are, as you know very well, the Communists, that party that calls itself 'Labor' and which is run by a dictator who I shall not name. They preach socialism and the rule of the common man, but do they practice it? They have recently had total control over the levers and spirit levels of government and has the result been the socialism that they claim to support? Have you benefited? No! All we have seen has been chaos, gridlock, grandstanding, incompetence, open cronyism and the flagrant abuse of power! Do not listen to them anymore, not a single word, for they have failed you.

Yet, I can hear you ask Oh children of Atlasia, what is the alternative to these Potemkin radicals? The fascist Senator Lumine or one such as him? I tell you this and I tell you now that this would be in no way an improvement. Socialism is the only solution to the great crisis the Atlasia faces. What is needed at this hour of import and of high fate is a great socialist. And I am, of course, the Great Socialist. Driving before me the great Wheelbarrow of Progress, I shall run for President in the upcoming elections.

Spontaneous applause, dancing in the streets, the burning of effigies of political opponents, etc.
6  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Scottish Independence Referendum - 18 September 2014 on: Today at 11:32:18 am
Well, you make a caricature out of my position.

No, I just did what I often do which is use a reply to also make general observations.
7  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: All Atlasia Progressive Rashtriya Janata Dal (Cultural Marxist) on: September 15, 2014, 08:00:47 pm
The Great Socialist has returned and will personally address a mass crowd of enthusiastic party members tomorrow. He will demonstrate that the Communist Party does not represent true socialism and then he will make a major announcement.
8  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Scottish Independence Referendum - 18 September 2014 on: September 15, 2014, 01:39:36 pm
Nah, but the party's appeal depends to a large extent on the different political values of Scots. Its not that all Scots are leftists, of course. But there is a different equilibrium in the Scottish social discourse compared to the English. 

Scottish political and social discourse is different, but that's mostly because Scotland has (and always has had) separate institutions and administrative policies to England.1 The idea that people in Scotland have radically different 'values' - collectivist rather than individualist, inherently radical rather than inherently conservative, tolerant rather than bigoted, community minded rather than materialistic and all the rest - to people south of the Tweed is tiresome and hoary bullsh!t.2 There is remarkably little evidence for any of it. Materialism and bigotry are not hard to find in Scotland while radicalism and tolerance are not hard to find in England. When Scottish Nationalists talk about England I hear descriptions of a country that I do not recognise.

Of course a lot of people in Scotland believe all that, but then a lot of people in England believe that Scotland is a postindustrial wasteland populated entirely by sour-faced misers and violent alcoholics and I surely don't need to point out that that is beyond bogus.

Scottish Nationalism is driven instead by the old belief that as Scotland forms a separate society with its own distinct culture - and that it is dwarfed by England and English concerns - it would be better off running its own affairs. Most Scottish voters hate the Tories not because they're right-wing, but because during the 1980s and 1990s they became associated with opposing Scottish interests. Increasingly I suspect that an independent Scotland would be afflicted with a particularly weird case of sinistrisme...

1. Prior to devolution this was all run via the old Scottish Office; the Secretary of State for Scotland controlled (most) domestic policies in Scotland in much the way that the First Minister does under the current arrangement.

2. Some people in Wales make the same argument and that's precious bullsh!t too.
9  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Sweden election results thread (Sept 14, 2014) on: September 15, 2014, 12:05:32 pm
Eh, some people here just love playing at being Cassandra.
10  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Sweden election results thread (Sept 14, 2014) on: September 15, 2014, 12:02:38 pm


And leading electoral coalition, same warnings about provisional results etc.
11  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Sweden election results thread (Sept 14, 2014) on: September 15, 2014, 11:21:13 am


The usual leading party map; provisional figures o/c so be warned etc.
12  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Scottish Independence Referendum - 18 September 2014 on: September 15, 2014, 10:57:11 am
The objective of Scottish nationalism has mainly been to be able to create a society dominated by centre-left values and get contol of the local economy. Unless the political culture in England swings heavily to the left this is unlikely to be feasible in Britain at large, so that motive will remain relevant.

Clearly Brian Souter bankrolls the SNP in order to bring about a socialist millennium.
13  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What type of climate do you live in? on: September 15, 2014, 10:34:21 am
Maritime.
14  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Sweden election results thread (Sept 14, 2014) on: September 15, 2014, 10:23:18 am
This thread is getting way too sage for its own good.
15  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The New Irony Ore Mine on: September 14, 2014, 08:04:08 pm
lol
16  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The New Irony Ore Mine on: September 14, 2014, 07:26:41 pm
lol
17  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: German Elections & Politics (State elections in Brandenburg and Thüringen!) on: September 14, 2014, 07:12:51 pm
The only SPD districts belongs to Gotha

Haha, that's perfect.
18  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The New Irony Ore Mine on: September 14, 2014, 06:59:15 pm
You just really can't resist. It's very sad. Roll Eyes
19  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Sweden election results thread (Sept 14, 2014) on: September 14, 2014, 06:39:39 pm
Er... no. Firstly... that's patent bullsh!t. And secondly Stockholm always votes way to the right of the rest of the country.
20  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Scottish independence - The Official Atlas Forum mock referendum on: September 14, 2014, 06:32:38 pm
The SNP has no coherent ideology over than the obvious (which is more than enough). It does have some genuine radicals in it, but most of its bills are paid for by businessmen with profoundly reactionary views. The Salmond government in Holyrood has leaned towards doing whatever is popular (i.e. moar public spending), which is a sensible strategy for such a party. In the event of an independent Scotland it would probably turn into a party of the state, ala Fianna Fail.
21  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Sweden election results thread (Sept 14, 2014) on: September 14, 2014, 06:12:52 pm
And also here: http://www.val.se/val/val2014/valnatt/R/rike/index.html

O.K, not in English, but it isn't hard to work out what's what when the languages are so closely related...
22  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Scottish independence - The Official Atlas Forum mock referendum on: September 14, 2014, 05:55:17 pm
Breaking up the cancerous Empire is bad now?

The Empire broke up decades before either you or I were born. While it existed nowhere did it find as much support as in Scotland. Whatever this is about, it's not that.
23  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Sweden election results thread (Sept 14, 2014) on: September 14, 2014, 05:40:02 pm
The Red-Greens have only added on 2 seats net...

Terrible.

No, 'terrible' would be losing the election. It's a shame that 3% of left votes were effectively wasted, but we all knew that might happen.
24  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Sweden election results thread (Sept 14, 2014) on: September 14, 2014, 05:19:31 pm
S 31.2, MP 6.8, V 5.7
M 23.2, C 6.1, FP 5.4, KD 4.6
SD 12.9
FI 3.1
25  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: The best Prime Minister of the United Kingdom in the past 50 years? on: September 14, 2014, 01:14:06 pm
One might point out that the Tories had been in decline in Scotland for >25 years before Thatcher, and the Tories had better election results in Scotland in the three elections under her leadership than in any of the five subsequent elections.

A political party that has lost widespread credibility can survive for surprisingly long off the votes of pensioners who have always voted that way; the end only comes when they start to die off. As true of the Scottish Tories as the French Communists...

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And more mines closed under Wilson than Thatcher!

A fact commonly repeated by internet knowitalls, but one that misses the point. In the 1960s the National Coal Board shut down most older collieries in an attempt to 'rationalise' the industry (the money 'saved' from this was then ploughed into newer pits). The Wilson government's only real involvement was an attempt to soften the blow; it spent large amounts of public money on building advance factories in areas hit by pit closures. Most of these shut in the recession of the early 1980s. In the 1980s, however, the Thatcher government decided to destroy the industry for political reasons and was entirely successful in this endeavour. The Major government finished the job.
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