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1  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: England local elections, May 2015 on: Today at 09:00:27 pm


Staffordshire (post-1974). Split wards treated in the usual way, the three dark wards in Newcastle under Lyme had no election.
2  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Will Deism ever make a major comeback (in the US)? on: Today at 06:26:32 pm
All philosophy was confined to the elite at that time, though.

Because everyone these days knows their Ayer from their Erasmus.
3  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: UK General Discussion: Cameron 2.0 on: Today at 06:16:49 pm
He denied that he was the source of the leak - leading to a 1.4m investigation, to find that he was the source of the leak. I wonder if he would've been elected if he'd said he leaked it before the election - his majority is only 800(ish).

I think he should resign from his seat - it was a confidential memo that was leaked.

If politicians were to resign their seats every time that they leaked something... oh dear Smiley

Don't get me wrong here: I'm not defending him! It was a moronic decision - almost certainly counterproductive actually - and he deserves all the embarrassment and opprobrium that has come to him as a result.
4  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: UK General Discussion: Cameron 2.0 on: Today at 02:04:55 pm
It's not really a resign-your-seat matter (i.e. as it was just the leaking of eighth hand gossip and not even a proper smear or anything), even if it would most certainly be a resign-your-ministerial-post matter (i.e. because he was amateurish enough to caught caught. Christ, he was amateurish enough to get as good as caught by logical deduction even before the inquiry reported).
5  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Canadian federal election - 2015 on: Today at 12:29:23 pm
You should also be careful (very very careful) about regional breakdowns for the smaller provinces. They are often (usually?) howlingly inaccurate.
6  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Will Deism ever make a major comeback (in the US)? on: Today at 11:51:50 am
Mikado is correct.

The idea that Deism was ever mainstream is a stretch

It was certainly mainstream amongst a certain social class, and often did not actually involve rejecting Christianity in any serious sense (quite a few Anglican clergy of the 18th century could be described in those terms).
7  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK General Election - May 7th 2015 (The Official Election Day & Results Thread) on: Today at 11:40:57 am
Ipsos-MORI's big demographic survey results are out:



All of the usual caveats apply, of course, and with that in mind I will point out that the figures are not as theoretically accurate as the sort of demographic exit poll data that most of the non-British posters here will be used to, but it's the best you're going to get. So please read with caution: in particular be really careful with the class stuff, because (amongst other things) the model used is kind of dreck.
8  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Alleviating Rural Poverty Act of 2015 on: Today at 11:28:42 am
So long as we accept a significant degree of state subsidy and so long as we accept that theoretical commercial viability is not the be all and end all of everything, then there is no reason why you can't have a bus that travels twice a day between two large towns and which reaches many smaller places along its route. And that as the barest of bare minimums.
9  General Politics / Book Reviews and Discussion / Re: What Book Are You Currently Reading? on: Today at 11:15:48 am
Amongst other things, I recently finished Lila. Marilynne Robinson can really write, can't she? A remarkable work that everyone should read.
10  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Mad Men is back on: May 21, 2015, 07:05:20 pm
Excellent ending.
11  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: England local elections, May 2015 on: May 21, 2015, 02:14:12 pm
The Local Government Boundary Commission for England moves in mysterious ways.
12  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: England local elections, May 2015 on: May 21, 2015, 02:02:45 pm
Results in Stoke-on-Trent:



The unpopular Labour administration held onto more seats than expected, only narrowly failing to retain its majority. But all of the other groups have decided to form a rag-tag-and-bobtail coalition together. Those who have followed the wonder that is local politics in Stoke over the years will already know exactly what will happen next...
13  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Canadian federal election - 2015 on: May 21, 2015, 01:18:41 pm
Riding polls...

Ahem. Here I am again...
14  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Edward Said on: May 21, 2015, 12:32:25 pm
As time has gone by it has become increasingly clear that he was seriously wrong about a lot of the subjects that he professed expertise in (and his remaining acolytes in academia should probably come to terms with that). Nevertheless he was a very important intellectual figure.
15  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Labour Party leadership election 2015 on: May 20, 2015, 02:16:45 pm
Amazing: http://lizforleader.co.uk/
16  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Labour Party leadership election 2015 on: May 20, 2015, 01:55:11 pm
2010 - Abbott and Ed Miliband

Miliband wasn't really seen as a candidate of the Left at the time so much as a candidate of the centre who was reaching out in their direction. Which of course is the key thing here: as factions have become less rigid (Neil Kinnock's greatest gift to the Labour Party, perhaps), crossfactional candidates have become more common in leadership elections.

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1994 - Prescott and possibly Beckett too

Both of them were.

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1992 - Was Gould a leftie then? I think I heard that he was a moderniser in the 80s but then became something of a Bennite.

Mostly Gould was a weirdo.

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1988 - Benn (Kinnock being the right-winger by default)

The Right backed Kinnock but he was never one of theirs.

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1983 - Kinnock and Heffer...Shore was also a soft left type was he not?

Shore's candidacy was the (distressingly feeble) last stand of the old Bevan/Wilson Left, although some of his support actually came from the workerist Right.

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1980 - Foot, Shore (?), don't know much about Silkin

Silkin was soft Left.

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1935 - Attlee was on the soft left, right? And Greenwood was leftier?

1935 is long ago and far away in terms of Labour factionalism, but Attlee was effectively factionless (and that's why he won). His predecessor George Lansbury (1932-5) was the most left-wing leader Labour has ever had o/c. Greenwood was generally seen as a puppet of Ernest Bevin's.

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1922 - MacDonald was a leftie then (lol)

He wasn't, but he was still thought of as being one. Which is why he won.
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / A thought on: May 20, 2015, 01:26:29 pm
By the time of the 2016 election the Democrats will have been in power for almost eight years. Their candidate is likely to be a sixty nine year old who has been a major public figure for twenty four years.

Discuss.
18  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: UK General Discussion: Cameron 2.0 on: May 20, 2015, 01:23:17 pm
lmao

They really need to get over their insecurity issues.
19  General Discussion / History / Re: How will social media change the study of history? on: May 20, 2015, 01:01:28 pm
The contemporary field of history, as opposed to say, archaeology, is inherently tied to the written word, which has provided its source data.

Broadly speaking correct, though there has been an upsurge in interest in oral history in recent decades (although much of what has been produced this way is of questionable value) and there's also now film and so on.

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Contemporary social media is a revolution in the written word and an increase in quantity of source data by orders of magnitude, on par with the spread of the printing press. Thus, one would expect that it will also revolutionize the study of history.

Well it would mean new sources to use of course (would they be used though? Even most of the reams of paper documents produced during the bureaucracy booms in the 19th and 20th centuries have never been read after being deposited in an archive...), but there's no reason to expect the actual methods of historical enquiry to alter. Most of it is really just applied logic (or at least it ought to be).

Unfortunately there are some fairly large problems with electronic documents and communications. The great advantage of paper (and vellum before it: actually it is even truer of vellum) is that it lasts for centuries. The files used for storing electronic data don't and even the internet turns out to be a bit sh!t at preserving things. What may look like a remarkable opportunity could easily turn out to be a massive nightmare.
20  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: England local elections, May 2015 on: May 20, 2015, 12:33:36 pm
Doing the Wirral part of the map reminded me that the inclusion of Upton in Wirral West is basically electoral trolling.
21  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: England local elections, May 2015 on: May 20, 2015, 12:25:10 pm
When was the last time the Tories won in either Short Heath or Willenhall North, local LibDem & UKIP strongholds?

Not sure, but it's always been obvious that much of the local LibDem vote there voted Tory in General Elections.
22  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: England local elections, May 2015 on: May 20, 2015, 12:20:25 pm


And the Merseyside soviets.
23  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Criminal Justice (Reform) Act on: May 20, 2015, 11:19:27 am
The treason section re-states existing law in a more coherent manner. Due to the technical nature of this enterprise I have tended to avoid serious innovation unless a glaring omission exists. But neither the current law nor this would criminalises the expression of any opinion: the Court tends to rule conservatively, and when the criteria for 'aiding a rebellion' is restricted to the intentional direction of funds, military aid or strategic advice, we can be fairly sure that an expression of support would not be included. My opinion (and certainly intent!) would be that it wouldn't even ban membership of a political party in favour of a rebellion.
24  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Criminal Justice (Reform) Act on: May 20, 2015, 11:07:31 am
I apologise for the slightly intimidating length of this bill, but if the object is wholesale revision of a major part of law, then there's no real alternative to being comprehensive. Existing criminal law in this little republic of ours is a mishmash of sketchily constructed (re-constructed actually) and law festooned with loopholes and bizarre technicalities, and confused and misremembered precedent. It is, to use a slightly irritating expression from a decade ago, not fit for purpose. The following examples should suffice: as the major purpose of our courts system has been constitutional law, over time it has been forgotten that the theoretical foundation of criminal law in this Republic is that of the Common Law. This has led to the hilariously Kafkaesque situation of civil standards of proof becoming the norm in criminal trials, a disturbing situation at the best of times, but outright horrifying when (as is also the case!) the grounds for appeal are exceedingly restricted. Additionally many of the criminal offences that we have in place are defined with absurd rigidity, rendering a vast number of potential abuses of our system legal via technicality. This new criminal code is designed to address all of this issues and more. It is simple, it is logical, and it is fair. It protects the rights of defendants and makes it easier to prosecute actual wrongdoers, while also making political trials exceedingly difficult. It is, I accept, dry and technical and rather tedious as legislation goes, but if we can't get the boring bits right, what hope for the exciting stuff?
25  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Labour Party leadership election 2015 on: May 20, 2015, 10:21:43 am
Yes, it looks as if (in nominations terms) there's only room for one of them.

Oh and Danczuk is not running for Deputy.
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