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1  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Conventions on: May 24, 2017, 07:21:05 pm
It's better to have them in August. August became a weird sort of limbo month for Hillary. I think the momentum of the conventions actually should mean something.
2  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Opinion of mainstream media on: May 24, 2017, 07:19:49 pm
I mean, it's reliable in that it really isn't going to churn out serious falsehoods, but at the same time, it's worth knowing that the MSM is self-interested and profit driven, which totally affects the way it frames and propels certain narratives. The false equivalency it built between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, for example, was astonishing and disturbing. The stories weren't untrue, but I would say the way the narrative unfolded as a constant "counter-punch" to Trump's very real bulls-it was exceptionally unfair.
3  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Biden disses Clinton again on: May 20, 2017, 10:53:46 am
Uncle Joe is absolutely right. He should have run in 2016. With Obama's support, he would have won the nomination and then beat the Donald.

I thought most insider accounts said Obama actually preferred Hillary for president, which is why he didn't really want Joe to run.
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Election night, six months later on: May 15, 2017, 08:23:40 pm
This thread seems to be all about hatred for Trump voters and thoughts that we are all going to die.

I never said any of this when Obama won.

Yes, because Trump is the Republican Obama.

You're an idiot.
5  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Election night, six months later on: May 14, 2017, 09:19:00 pm
Three or so days before the election, I got very, very scared that Trump would win. So scared that on the Sunday before the election, I couldn't sleep. I remember sharing these feelings to a friend of mine, who reminded me that "This is the same country that elected Barack Obama twice. Trump's screwed." By the time Nov. 8 rolled around, though, that had passed and I was exuberant imaging a smashing victory that would send Trump back to his gilded tower with his tail between his legs, end Mike Pence's political career and have the deplorables weeping into their MAGA hats.

It was the worst night of my life, and for several hours I contemplated suicide.

I say this for your own good: Please stop paying attention to politics. Do you not understand the value of life? Do you really think Trump's victory has made life that much worse for many people?

To those of you reading this besides the person I quoted, most of you see a problem with this. Our media has brainwashed our nation. That anyone could contemplate suicide because The Other Party Won is awful. To those ideological, demagogical, horrible, horrible news networks I say: you have so demonized your opponents that when you lose your supporters contemplate suicide. In the name of humanity, I beg you to stop. You have shot no bodies with bullets. You have proven the pen mightier than the sword, words stronger than any punch. You don't shoot bodies with bullets - you brainwash minds. Let us suppose MAINEiac is the only one who contemplated suicide. Would you not even stop for one human life? I know the powers that be, the media I rant to in my mind will never read this, but it can be said that I did not speak out. Soon, that will change. Soon, your hate will be exposed.

It never used to be like this, but it's this way now.  Ideological political parties and non-stop news media input hasn't Made America Reasonable Again.

I do think there are some who need a sabbatical from politics to regain a measure of mental wellness.  As nauseating as I find Hillary Clinton, I can't see myself reacting rashly to her election victory, which I thought would occur.  I thought that somehow, someway, she'd pull it off.  Still, if President Hillary Clinton were the worst thing I had to deal with, I'd be fortunate, indeed.

That being said, maybe it's time to stop demonizing and awfulizing Donald Trump.  Criticize his policies, advocate against them, but he's not the end of the world.  At worst, he's just another Republican Plutocrat, and I've lived through a few of those. 

Just because he's not the end of your world doesn't mean he couldn't be the end of someone else's. You can make whatever pleas you want, but it is simply dumbfounding that you and others like you can't see how Trump is uniquely threatening. Here's my plea that will obviously fall on deaf ears but that is nonetheless worth making: Let's not normalize a president who has made it an explicit goal to make life worse for folks who've been Othered. Let's not lower the bar and accept that what this president and this administration are doing is somehow okay or within the realm of what we should accept from our leaders.

This president's first few months in office have been a mix of embarrassing, incompetent, dangerous, unfriendly, combative, corrupt and who-knows-what else. And all these wounds have been self-inflicted. Can you honestly look at this period and say Trump has been good? Truly?

That people can is perhaps the saddest story of all.
6  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Describe a 2020 10 point democratic victory on: May 12, 2017, 04:48:58 pm
Hillary Clinton as a straight white man in 2016.

Is it really so hard for you to believe that is the only thing holding her back?

The reason she lost, when it gets down to it, is because people hate her. I mean, we can talk about her strategy and the voters she chose to target and chose to ignore, and it might have been enough to tip an election that was so very close if only her message had been better, but the sheer hatred of her meant this really was not going to be a blowout... even though, really, it should have been.

And if we get into the reasons why people hate her, most of them are pretty elusive and not actually centred on policy or messaging. If it wasn't e-mails or Benghazi, it would be something else. And none of these would have blown up and clung to her if she had been he. So yeah. I believe misogyny and double standards hugely colour the perceptions people have of Hillary Clinton. Without that baggage, I see no reason why "he" wouldn't have won by a large margin despite the flawed messaging.

Send me to the wolves, I guess.

7  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Describe a 2020 10 point democratic victory on: May 12, 2017, 04:05:38 pm
Hillary Clinton as a straight white man in 2016.
8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who do you predict you will end up voting for in the '20 presidential primaries? on: May 07, 2017, 05:41:45 pm
Clinton > Biden > Warren
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Official Trump 1.0 Approval Ratings Thread on: May 01, 2017, 07:54:56 pm
That approval map looks a lot like Hillary's polling map in parts of the summer. It's basically the 2016 election if sexism, misogyny, and double standards didn't exist.
10  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Are you gay? on: April 29, 2017, 10:16:31 pm
How could you not be?
11  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Map without E mail scandal. on: April 29, 2017, 10:12:09 pm
The e-mail controversy was, in reality, a sexist nothingburger that highlighted a gross double standard. Some other issue would have just been fabricated into a big deal in its place.
12  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: 2017 NHL Playoffs on: April 18, 2017, 07:48:18 pm
The Leafs will stun and surprise 'til the very end, yo. Wink
13  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Democrats: If it is down to Clinton/Sanders rematch who do you support? on: April 05, 2017, 12:42:55 am
Hillary running again would demonstrate such a complete lack of self-awareness and public opinion to completely disqualify her for Presidency.

Believe it or not, it is actually possible for the public to be wrong.
14  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: NDP Leadership Convention 2017 (2018) on: April 02, 2017, 09:24:21 pm
I find it interesting that the NDP might be optimistic enough to think Canadians will elect a brown guy Prime Minister.

Are we not supposed to say that? I have no faith in our people whatsoever.
15  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Democrats: If it is down to Clinton/Sanders rematch who do you support? on: April 02, 2017, 09:20:08 pm
Obviously Hillary.
16  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump Scandals Make His Voters Like Him More on: March 25, 2017, 01:54:48 am
This (clap) is (clap) because (clap) they (clap) are (clap) stupid (clap clap).


We're allowed to say this again?

About time.
17  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: PAPOY Creepfest 2017 on: March 23, 2017, 03:30:42 pm
Not sure. My apartment always smells like burnt toast, so it's hard to distinguish.
18  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump: Elizabeth Warren as my opponent “would be a dream come true” on: March 19, 2017, 06:40:22 pm
Well, that's because she's a woman and a lot of voters (particularly working class voters) don't look at female politicians the same way they look at male ones.

But we're not allowed to say this.
19  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: PAPOY Creepfest 2017 on: March 12, 2017, 03:03:46 am
For your consideration.

20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: This is the greatest 2016 election-related article I've ever read on: March 10, 2017, 01:52:14 pm
Still not sure what is so threatening about admitting that some sexism exists, but of course all these responses are to be expected. Roll Eyes
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: If the pee tape is released.... on: March 03, 2017, 02:44:17 pm
I think y'all are overreacting a wee wee bit.
22  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Was Obama's Healthcare the biggest blunder & missed opportunity for a Dem? on: March 02, 2017, 06:38:21 pm
I don't doubt that a President Hillary Clinton would have gotten something better passed in 2009 with the same Congress, but what can you do? She's a feminazi shill, and always will be!

Roll Eyes

F-ckers. The salt will never run out.
23  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: What Atlas #Analysis will be rejected after the 2020 election? on: March 01, 2017, 05:31:30 pm
That culturally conservative white working-class voters actually find meaning in arguments about "the millionaires and billionaires." Or, in other words, that populism-without-scapegoating-the-Other can actually resonate.
24  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who will be the Jeb Bush of the Democrats? on: March 01, 2017, 12:04:51 pm
Hillary Clinton won a majority of Democratic primary voters in two elections, so actually did have a hefty, enthusiastic coalition in her party. She won the nomination. She won the national popular vote by 3 million. She has become an inspirational feminist icon to a sizeable group of voters (none of whom are represented here, evidently Roll Eyes). She is no Jeb Bush.

 
25  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Policical Tribe quiz on: February 27, 2017, 10:41:53 pm
Progressive Cosmopolitan

Internationalist in outlook, Progressive Cosmopolitans embrace multiculturalism and are politically engaged. They are very motivated by social issues such as climate action and the treatment of asylum seekers. While likely to be thought of as 'left-wing', they differ from Activist Egalitarians by being less strongly concerned with the redistribution of wealth. They relish change and don't seek a return to the Australia of years gone by.
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