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1  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What do you think God is? on: November 18, 2014, 10:43:42 pm
We are actually pretty much on the same page.

I believe God is more likely the force of everything and anything than an actual sentient being.

I'm also open to the idea of a multiverse. Admittedly, heaven is a difficult concept in which to have unshakable faith, but knowing that there are infinite universes with infinite laws of physics does make an afterlife seem somewhat possible.
2  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: My Aunt Shared this Photo on Facebook on: November 18, 2014, 06:08:10 pm
Yea, I don't care if family conflicts political stances which mine always do. Politics is just silly and not worth fighting with family over.

I guess I don't see it as political. I see it as pure racism. She is not a women's rights advocate. She's a religious bumpkin with a severe case of xenophobia. I can overlook differences of political opinion because I think they're kind of superficial as long as the person in question is "good." If you're a racist, I think you have a bad heart, and it's kind of as simple as that.

Which is apolitical how?

Well, nothing is apolitical. But when someone says "don't take politics personally," I'm thinking more about whether they're conservative or liberal, not whether their soul is full of hate.
3  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: My Aunt Shared this Photo on Facebook on: November 18, 2014, 05:44:42 pm
Yea, I don't care if family conflicts political stances which mine always do. Politics is just silly and not worth fighting with family over.

I guess I don't see it as political. I see it as pure racism. She is not a women's rights advocate. She's a religious bumpkin with a severe case of xenophobia. I can overlook differences of political opinion because I think they're kind of superficial as long as the person in question is "good." If you're a racist, I think you have a bad heart, and it's kind of as simple as that.
4  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: My Aunt Shared this Photo on Facebook on: November 17, 2014, 10:30:34 pm
Definitely not inviting her to Christmas this year. Holy Hell.


5  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Is Bill Clinton massively overrated? on: November 16, 2014, 01:04:57 pm
Of course not. Imagine, a president who forges bipartisan relationships in Washington and gets things done... wow!
6  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Deeply disturbing (Part Deux) on: November 15, 2014, 05:01:45 pm
Why are people always so frazzled lately?

There's some competence in the White House again. Everything's going to be fine. Smiley
7  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: A message to the president and the vice-president on: November 15, 2014, 04:58:11 pm
lol
8  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: A question for gay Democrats on: November 15, 2014, 03:08:16 am
Honestly, I see many reasons for Democrats to want Republicans like these in Congress. Congressmen aren't worth very much as lone votes for partisan legislation. But as reformers who could potentially push the GOP towards being more accepting of the LGBT community? I think that's worth a lot. The country as a whole is much better off if both major parties support gay rights.

SO in that regard, I think sacrificing two Democratic legislators for pro-gay Republican pioneers is probably a worthwhile trade. Even if I disagreed with them on most other issues. Plus, the House was going to stay in GOP hands anyway, so why not try to craft a better GOP?
9  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: can you chopsticks? on: November 15, 2014, 02:59:19 am
Nope, and the Taiwanese boyfriend really gets a kick out of it. Tongue Loves to goad me into asking for a fork... sigh.
10  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Whom do you like (Late night talk show hosts) on: November 15, 2014, 02:58:20 am
Craig Ferguson is objectively best.

Goodnight.
11  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: November 2014 Special At-large Senate Election on: November 14, 2014, 03:46:12 pm

[4] Bacon King of Oceania
The People's Party

[1] Cris of Kansas
Federalist Party

[2] Poirot of New York
Independent

[  ] SomebodyWhoExists of Quebec
Labor Party

[3] rpryor03 of New Jersey
National Party

12  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone III - Lowborn Egoism Herrings on: November 10, 2014, 04:15:31 pm
Well, I was using the term "guyfriend" here because me and Tommy weren't official, but I'm happy to report that we're now boyfriends. So happy. Smiley And only two more weeks until I'm back in Kingston...!
13  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Where Obama Went Wrong on: November 03, 2014, 08:18:20 pm
Accommodating the GOP is not the same as working with the GOP.

Bill Clinton knew how to work with politicians of all stripes to forge bipartisan coalitions. Obama works "at" the GOP: He gives them what they want without actually doing any of the maneuvering. From the outside looking in, it feels a lot like Obama has been in Washington for six years without ever having made even one useful relationship. Maybe that has more to do with his failure to control the message, but that's still a significant failure if true.
14  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: 2014 October Presidential elections, political loser on: November 01, 2014, 05:15:38 pm
No, but some presidents are more impressionable than others. I think the electorate understands what it means to elect a Laborite to the White House now, though. Y'all kind of did the work for me. Not that I think the Federalists will ever be able to capitalize on it...
15  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: 2014 October Presidential elections, political loser on: November 01, 2014, 05:00:34 pm
When Labor controls presidents, the game goes to hell. So I don't think that's anything the other parties should emulate.

I see you're becoming increasingly hackish in your old age. Obviously the game didn't go to hell when both Marokai and Nix were Presidents; in fact, in many respects, the game was never better in the post-dissolution era than during this time.

Labor didn't control Marokai. It started to control Nix, and things got nasty when it did.
16  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: 2014 October Presidential elections, political loser on: November 01, 2014, 03:39:46 pm
When Labor controls presidents, the game goes to hell. So I don't think that's anything the other parties should emulate.
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: The Romney Downfall - or is it? on: October 29, 2014, 07:42:44 pm
Dude, your signature is waaaaay too big.
18  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: PM Series: Quesion 25 on: October 29, 2014, 07:27:26 pm
Usually disagree. Not a critical issue.
19  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: how often do you get together with extended family on: October 29, 2014, 06:59:02 pm
What do you count as extended family? I see my grandparents at least once a week when I'm living with my mom and dad.
20  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone III - Lowborn Egoism Herrings on: October 29, 2014, 05:57:44 pm
I'm in such a bad mood, stressed about so many things. The only person who can make it better and give me a hug is three hours away.

And the person I'd normally spill my guts to (someone else) also happens to be someone who stresses me out even more. To the point that I don't even know if it's worth starting a conversation with this person for a long, long time.

I dunno. I was doing so well back at school after a horrible summer. To be back at home sucks. Borderline depressing.
21  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Ontario municipal elections, (October 27, 2014) - Master thread on: October 27, 2014, 07:56:10 pm
Ugh. Bonnie Crombie.
22  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: oh boy on: October 27, 2014, 06:05:13 pm
It's why I think the SoFE should print the voting booth to PDF immediately following the close of every election.
23  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: U.S. & Britain end Afghanistan missions today (It's finally over) on: October 27, 2014, 06:02:52 pm
Well, the answer is that it'll become another safe haven for organized terrorism, but the last few months have shown that most liberals don't care too much about that possibility.
24  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Steve King: "I donít expect to meet [gays] should I make it to heaven." on: October 27, 2014, 05:55:39 pm
So much autism; cannot handle.
25  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Good Post Gallery II on: October 26, 2014, 07:46:21 pm
Imagine a culture where children are often betrothed, and they are married by the time they reach sexual maturity, and society expects them to use their sexuality, in a manner that is exclusively useful to their spouse, and indirectly beneficial for society as a whole. Do you think there is any room for homosexual behavior? Do you think the people who created this system are inherently bigoted?

Bigoted, no. Backward, definitely. That was the norm until early-modern times, and it served to promote conformity within the community, preserve the identity of religious minorities,  and solidify the rigid class structure. It is now backward in the sense that writing with a quill pen is backward.

As for homosexual behavior -- it was typically done on the sly. Can you imagine what a miserable marriage that would have been? What for? Tradition? What was a delight for many was drudgery for the homosexual.

Sure, tradition was everything.  But we don't let tradition dictate our lives, do we, today?

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The world is full of people who lack understanding. The Judeo-Christian world refuses to acknowledge their departure from the Old Testament system of betrothal and teen marriage, which is the genesis of most anti-homosexual cultural rules. The anti-theist movement is largely unsympathetic to the plight of ancient people, who were merely trying to reproduce and survive. They suppose, instead, malice aforethought, as if ancient people could have foreseen modern existential crises.

We are no longer responsible to those ancient people. We can neither harm them nor do good. Marriage between people fourteen years old, once something 'natural', is now unconscionable.  We have enough people as it is, and we have no need for a population explosion.  As for the 'wisdom' of ancient peasants -- they accepted much that we now find abominable, like slavery and a death penalty that encompassed such offenses a witchcraft.

I suggest that you ask the experts on what the Old Testament says. The real experts. The Jews. They do not kill witches. They do not kill children for talking back. They do not tolerate slavery. On the whole they get good results for their lives.  

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Society is also largely ignorant of sexual practices of ancient people, who were not necessarily opposed to behaviors like incest, bestiality, adultery, rape, polygamy, sexual slavery, prostitution, sex with minors/children, etc.

Except for adultery, all of those are abominable and often illegal today on the grounds that such are cruel, exploitative, or destructive. You contradict yourself by on the one hand admiring the ancients for their sexual wisdom and on the other hand excoriating their sexual depravity. Some of the behavior of ancient Hebrew kings is now unthinkable -- like having harems. I respect the Old Testament for showing the consequences (tragedy for the victims and at times self-destruction of the perpetrators)... and those are valid warnings to us today. I have never had any use for sex with children, but the secular explanation from Sigmund Freud -- that children find sex unwelcome and painful -- is good enough for me. The repugnance that most of us have against rape is now that is violates the right a female who does not or cannot consent (a feminist approach) -- in contrast to the violation of a man's possession of sexual rights to a wife. The feminist approach is a stronger judgment against rape.

As for adultery -- it hurts children by gutting their certainty about the trustworthiness of their parents. Adultery depends upon lies and deceit that hurt children.        

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The triumph of Judeo-Christian sexual propriety is not problematic in the grand scheme, and pretending otherwise is a pointless waste of time. The people who drifted away from a strict interpretation of anti-homosexuality scripture did not do so under duress, and it is as silly to think that change-averse religious doctrines will evolve under duress as it is ridiculous/immoral to imagine that religious pressure can change someone's sexual orientation.

Even if one thinks homosexuality something less than ideal, one cannot see it evil in the sense that murder, robbery, rape, perversion of justice, the making of fraudulent oaths, denying rest to employees, and abandonment of the elderly are gross affronts against the morality that underpins a wholesome society. Know well: no part of the Bible says anything that specifically prohibits the use or dealing in narcotics... or driving drunk. So far as I can tell, homosexuality is an indelible part of the character of people. At least it is not sociopathy or even narcissism.

Did you see the video to which I linked? I saw no Christian morality in the foul-mouthed, violent brute who attacked an alleged gay. I am sure that if you are a Christian that you would never testify to the 'wrongness' of homosexuality with a kick to the groin. Taking down the violent brute who had shown a willingness to inflict severe and pointless pain looks like Christian behavior. Violent hatred against homosexuals does not match the command of Jesus to love thy neighbor as if oneself.
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