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1  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: The Romney Downfall - or is it? on: October 29, 2014, 07:42:44 pm
Dude, your signature is waaaaay too big.
2  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: PM Series: Quesion 25 on: October 29, 2014, 07:27:26 pm
Usually disagree. Not a critical issue.
3  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: how often do you get together with extended family on: October 29, 2014, 06:59:02 pm
What do you count as extended family? I see my grandparents at least once a week when I'm living with my mom and dad.
4  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone III - Lowborn Egoism Herrings on: October 29, 2014, 05:57:44 pm
I'm in such a bad mood, stressed about so many things. The only person who can make it better and give me a hug is three hours away.

And the person I'd normally spill my guts to (someone else) also happens to be someone who stresses me out even more. To the point that I don't even know if it's worth starting a conversation with this person for a long, long time.

I dunno. I was doing so well back at school after a horrible summer. To be back at home sucks. Borderline depressing.
5  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Ontario municipal elections, (October 27, 2014) - Master thread on: October 27, 2014, 07:56:10 pm
Ugh. Bonnie Crombie.
6  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: oh boy on: October 27, 2014, 06:05:13 pm
It's why I think the SoFE should print the voting booth to PDF immediately following the close of every election.
7  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: U.S. & Britain end Afghanistan missions today (It's finally over) on: October 27, 2014, 06:02:52 pm
Well, the answer is that it'll become another safe haven for organized terrorism, but the last few months have shown that most liberals don't care too much about that possibility.
8  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Steve King: "I donít expect to meet [gays] should I make it to heaven." on: October 27, 2014, 05:55:39 pm
So much autism; cannot handle.
9  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Good Post Gallery II on: October 26, 2014, 07:46:21 pm
Imagine a culture where children are often betrothed, and they are married by the time they reach sexual maturity, and society expects them to use their sexuality, in a manner that is exclusively useful to their spouse, and indirectly beneficial for society as a whole. Do you think there is any room for homosexual behavior? Do you think the people who created this system are inherently bigoted?

Bigoted, no. Backward, definitely. That was the norm until early-modern times, and it served to promote conformity within the community, preserve the identity of religious minorities,  and solidify the rigid class structure. It is now backward in the sense that writing with a quill pen is backward.

As for homosexual behavior -- it was typically done on the sly. Can you imagine what a miserable marriage that would have been? What for? Tradition? What was a delight for many was drudgery for the homosexual.

Sure, tradition was everything.  But we don't let tradition dictate our lives, do we, today?

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The world is full of people who lack understanding. The Judeo-Christian world refuses to acknowledge their departure from the Old Testament system of betrothal and teen marriage, which is the genesis of most anti-homosexual cultural rules. The anti-theist movement is largely unsympathetic to the plight of ancient people, who were merely trying to reproduce and survive. They suppose, instead, malice aforethought, as if ancient people could have foreseen modern existential crises.

We are no longer responsible to those ancient people. We can neither harm them nor do good. Marriage between people fourteen years old, once something 'natural', is now unconscionable.  We have enough people as it is, and we have no need for a population explosion.  As for the 'wisdom' of ancient peasants -- they accepted much that we now find abominable, like slavery and a death penalty that encompassed such offenses a witchcraft.

I suggest that you ask the experts on what the Old Testament says. The real experts. The Jews. They do not kill witches. They do not kill children for talking back. They do not tolerate slavery. On the whole they get good results for their lives.  

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Society is also largely ignorant of sexual practices of ancient people, who were not necessarily opposed to behaviors like incest, bestiality, adultery, rape, polygamy, sexual slavery, prostitution, sex with minors/children, etc.

Except for adultery, all of those are abominable and often illegal today on the grounds that such are cruel, exploitative, or destructive. You contradict yourself by on the one hand admiring the ancients for their sexual wisdom and on the other hand excoriating their sexual depravity. Some of the behavior of ancient Hebrew kings is now unthinkable -- like having harems. I respect the Old Testament for showing the consequences (tragedy for the victims and at times self-destruction of the perpetrators)... and those are valid warnings to us today. I have never had any use for sex with children, but the secular explanation from Sigmund Freud -- that children find sex unwelcome and painful -- is good enough for me. The repugnance that most of us have against rape is now that is violates the right a female who does not or cannot consent (a feminist approach) -- in contrast to the violation of a man's possession of sexual rights to a wife. The feminist approach is a stronger judgment against rape.

As for adultery -- it hurts children by gutting their certainty about the trustworthiness of their parents. Adultery depends upon lies and deceit that hurt children.        

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The triumph of Judeo-Christian sexual propriety is not problematic in the grand scheme, and pretending otherwise is a pointless waste of time. The people who drifted away from a strict interpretation of anti-homosexuality scripture did not do so under duress, and it is as silly to think that change-averse religious doctrines will evolve under duress as it is ridiculous/immoral to imagine that religious pressure can change someone's sexual orientation.

Even if one thinks homosexuality something less than ideal, one cannot see it evil in the sense that murder, robbery, rape, perversion of justice, the making of fraudulent oaths, denying rest to employees, and abandonment of the elderly are gross affronts against the morality that underpins a wholesome society. Know well: no part of the Bible says anything that specifically prohibits the use or dealing in narcotics... or driving drunk. So far as I can tell, homosexuality is an indelible part of the character of people. At least it is not sociopathy or even narcissism.

Did you see the video to which I linked? I saw no Christian morality in the foul-mouthed, violent brute who attacked an alleged gay. I am sure that if you are a Christian that you would never testify to the 'wrongness' of homosexuality with a kick to the groin. Taking down the violent brute who had shown a willingness to inflict severe and pointless pain looks like Christian behavior. Violent hatred against homosexuals does not match the command of Jesus to love thy neighbor as if oneself.
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Who will be the next currently-serving Senator to endorse same-sex marriage? on: October 26, 2014, 04:30:32 pm
I hope John McCain does change is mind. It would send a big signal to the party establishment and possibly help get the ball rolling.
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: U.S. & Britain end Afghanistan missions today (It's finally over) on: October 26, 2014, 04:29:07 pm
Well, it's over for now. But it'll be a different story in three years when the Taliban is back on the up-and-up.
12  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Demanding an apology from Speaker Hifly! on: October 26, 2014, 01:33:39 pm
About what I'd expect from someone with an Oxford education.

Is the game your life?

Well, I've never been moved enough to impersonate a legislator and vote on a phony abortion bill, so I'm gonna have to go with no...
13  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Demanding an apology from Speaker Hifly! on: October 26, 2014, 01:28:35 pm
About what I'd expect from someone with an Oxford education.
14  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: PM Series: Question 24 on: October 26, 2014, 01:24:27 pm
Disagree. Not a critical issue. Question should be scrapped.
15  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: GRIFFGRAPH ELECTION CENTER on: October 26, 2014, 01:22:46 pm
Well, windjammer also doesn't have an off switch, so that probably helps.
16  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Steve King: "I donít expect to meet [gays] should I make it to heaven." on: October 25, 2014, 09:31:53 pm
What gets me is that aren't Protestants supposed to believe in "faith, not works?"
17  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Steve King: "I donít expect to meet [gays] should I make it to heaven." on: October 25, 2014, 03:14:52 pm
Oh, you're allowed to. But if all they are is a gallon of nonsensical, dogmatic hatred, you should expect to feel the backlash of a public that is fortunately learning to be more progressive in its treatment of people who are different.
18  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone III - Lowborn Egoism Herrings on: October 25, 2014, 02:22:26 am
I'm really sad. My school placement is going well, but living with my parents away from everyone is so awful. My guyfriend got to stay in our university town and today he told me he had one of the best days ever. I'm happy for him, but... I feel weird not being a part of it. Sad It's hard... I miss him, but he's keeping busy enough to not miss me as much. I just want this next chunk of four weeks to be over.
19  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Poll: Which decision/event cost President George W. Bush the most? on: October 24, 2014, 09:36:36 pm
The Iraq War is what all the casuals point to. I doubt most Americans even know what half the other things are.
20  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Steve King: "I donít expect to meet [gays] should I make it to heaven." on: October 24, 2014, 09:17:16 pm
Homosexuals, like all people, are certainly capable of going to Heaven if they repent and accept Jesus Christ as their Savior.

Unrepentant sinners don't go to Heaven; and thus, an unrepentant homosexual will indeed go to Hell, just like how an unrepentant adulterer or unrepentant fornicator (to name two examples) will go to Hell.


What a sad world we have that it can create people like you. It just breaks my heart that someone with such obvious potential (I mean, you know how to spell at the very least) is so unable to exhibit real critical thinking, all because of the weight of a goddamn book. Best of luck out there.
21  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: October 2014 General Election - President and Regional Senators on: October 24, 2014, 06:37:45 am
President:

1. Lumine and SJoyce
2. Poirot and shua
3. Marokai and MaxQue

IDS Senator

1. North Carolina Yankee
2. PiT
22  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins on: October 22, 2014, 04:13:12 pm
I've been numb all day. I mean, it's basically a strike at the centre of our national consciousness. Very hard to stomach. I've been teaching all day without real updates. It's tough. My thoughts go out to you folks in Ottawa.
23  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Opinion of South Park's anti-union propaganda on: October 20, 2014, 09:30:20 pm
Lol
24  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone III - Lowborn Egoism Herrings on: October 20, 2014, 06:15:45 pm
Got back from homecoming. Spent it with my guy. We were late for all our engagements because we were busy doing other stuff. Oh well!
25  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Which Presidents would you most want to go drinking with? on: October 18, 2014, 12:10:24 pm
Dubya, Clinton, Johnson.
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