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1  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton & Trump VP news LATEST: Lewandowski hints pick will come from Congress on: Today at 02:15:22 am
Put me on team Warren after seeing her latest speech. She is exactly what Hillary needs.
2  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: NBC/SurveyMonkey national poll: Clinton 47% Trump 43% on: May 24, 2016, 03:59:09 pm
There's good news in here for Hillary to be sure. Sanders doesn't outperform her significantly, and it seems like most of his hard-core voters remain "undecided" in the Hillary match-up (i.e., they will come around eventually).

I'd say the difference between someone being +12 and someone being +4 is pretty significant.

Not when Trump's number only increases by two percentage points against Hillary. It means most of the undecided voters will come home to Hillary.
3  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: NBC/SurveyMonkey national poll: Clinton 47% Trump 43% on: May 24, 2016, 03:56:15 pm
There's good news in here for Hillary to be sure. Sanders doesn't outperform her significantly, and it seems like most of his hard-core voters remain "undecided" in the Hillary match-up (i.e., they will come around eventually).

I'd say the difference between someone being +12 and someone being +4 is pretty significant.

Not when Trump's number only increases by two percentage points against Hillary. It means most of the undecided voters will come home to Hillary.
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: NBC/SurveyMonkey national poll: Clinton 47% Trump 43% on: May 24, 2016, 10:46:46 am
There's good news in here for Hillary to be sure. Sanders doesn't outperform her significantly, and it seems like most of his hard-core voters remain "undecided" in the Hillary match-up (i.e., they will come around eventually).

Trump also seems to be doing terribly with the black vote.

With Sanders and Obama eventually campaigning vigilantly for Hillary, and when you consider the fact that in the past, Democrats have had more of an edge in battleground states than the national horserace might suggest, I'm pretty pleased. She should be quite strong come September.
5  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton & Trump VP search news LATEST: Trump to meet with Corker on: May 24, 2016, 10:40:17 am
Trump should really pick a woman an a minority one at that:

1. Susana Martinez - likely not interested
2. Nikki Haley - likely not interested

My most likely choice on who Trump will settle on: Fallin. Woman who is a two term governor and served a term in the house, she would bring the political background Trump said he is looking for and could help bridge the gap with some woman voters.

Complete Wild Card: Just throwing it out even though it will never happen, Condoleezza Rice.

I don't know if he could get away with picking Rice after so strongly condemning the Bush administration's foreign policy. But then again, consistent internal logic has never been one of Trump's biggest priorities or strongest qualities. Tongue
6  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Anyone remember when Clinton refused to drop out in 2008 on: May 23, 2016, 08:18:52 pm
Or when she didn't demand to have a say over her opponent's eventual cabinet picks?
7  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Anyone remember when Clinton refused to drop out in 2008 on: May 23, 2016, 08:17:45 pm
Anyone remember when she mostly stopped the character attacks though? Or when she was arguably beating him in the popular vote? Or when she was actually competitive with the superdelegates?
8  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Have you ever specified what pronouns you prefer? on: May 23, 2016, 04:00:29 pm
Yes, this was a pretty common thing at my college, unfortunately.  We would all have to go around in a group and waste time stating what pronoun we preferred even though it was obvious.  It would make more sense for anyone who prefers a different pronoun to just speak up and correct it in conversation, but I guess that would be 'transphobic'.

The fact that it is so offensive to you that someone dares shake you out of your comfort zone to create a welcoming environment for everyone speaks volumes.

To answer the question, I don't know that I have ever, but of course there's no logical reason to be opposed to a situation in which everyone is asked to.
9  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Icespear deciding to act like a racist WV republican on: May 23, 2016, 03:10:12 pm
Not as stupid as what Hockeydude started doing yesterday.
10  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Primary Election Polls / Re: CA- Survey USA/ABC7: Clinton +18 on: May 23, 2016, 03:06:58 pm
So Sanders has how many days to surge 40 points?
11  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary floats new campaign slogan, "Stronger Together," on Meet the Press on: May 23, 2016, 12:58:00 pm
I have kind of changed my mind a bit on the slogan.

I did a ton of phonebanking today in California, and I know Naso-style anecdotes are not always useful, but most of the demographic profiles of the folks I was calling were elderly ladies. Long story short, a very sizable chunk "hated her" or were voting Trump. It's worrying, and if this is her base, I'm not sure that "inclusion of difference" is something that will win them over.

It was a bit scary to be sure, because I was under the impression that the voters in the phonebank were supposed to basically be sure things. I've never called this far out from a primary though, so it's possible the point of phonebanking at this time is to assess who should stay on the rolls for later. But yeah.
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who is more likeable ? on: May 23, 2016, 01:12:19 am
"who is more likable, umbridge or voldemort?"

Yes, I have seen this meme. And the answer is unquestionably Umbridge. Like, objectively. By almost any measure.


absolutely.

Then I trust you will be supporting Hillary Clinton. Smiley
13  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How does Trump get elected president? on: May 23, 2016, 01:09:29 am
Have his general election opponent be someone with horrible favorable ratings who ran a deeply divisive campaign, and is under FBI investigation.

lol
14  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: What are your reasons for voting for Hillary? on: May 23, 2016, 01:08:19 am
Among other reasons, I believe it's high time for a woman president.

Ooh, how I dare I?

Roll Eyes
15  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How does Trump get elected president? on: May 23, 2016, 12:10:35 am
A misogynistic electorate that spits in the face of women who dare point out that institutional sexism still confronts women. It makes people feel uncomfortable, you see.
16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is Kaine fatigue real? on: May 22, 2016, 07:11:25 pm
He just seems exceedingly boring.
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is Hillary really in trouble? on: May 22, 2016, 06:58:50 pm
We must remember expectations were always high. Hillary has been considered an prohibitive favorite for a long time and I remember some of our posters claiming she'll do as well in the primaries as Chuck Schumer in his NY Senate races.

So, even though she's winning against Sanders by a healthy margin, the challenge makes her look weak.

That's one way of characterizing things. But once again, please note the following.

The list of people that Donald Trump has defeated in order to secure the Republican nomination:

Jeb Bush
Ben Carson
Chris Christie
Ted Cruz
Carly Fiorina
Jim Gilmore
Lindsey Graham
Mike Huckabee
Bobby Jindal
John Kasich
George Pataki
Rand Paul
Rick Perry
Marco Rubio
Rick Santorum
Scott Walker

The list of people that Hillary Clinton is trying to defeat in order to secure the Democratic nomination:

Bernie Sanders

The challenge isn't what's making her look weak, it's the starting point of this election cycle and the nature of the challenger, that's what's making her look weak.

Yes, but it's human nature to want to have choice. It was only natural that a viable challenger would emerge, even if the viability came not from any of the challenger's own characteristics, but from people wanting an alternative. If Sanders wasn't in the race, O'Malley probably would have gained traction instead. Sanders is a weak candidate, and it shows in the results.

So what distinguishes Sanders from someone like Bill Bradley? Why has the former appeared to be so successful? Arguably the answer is a combination of simple geography and momentum. If Sanders had lost New Hampshire, his candidacy would have been toast.

So this notion that Bernie Sanders is special is just silly. In the alternate timelines without him Hillary still faced an insurgent challenger.
18  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary floats new campaign slogan, "Stronger Together," on Meet the Press on: May 22, 2016, 06:42:16 pm
Well, that might convince 1 Bernie supporter.

Hint: people aren't supporting Bernie because of useless focus group tested slogans.

No one cares about Bernie Sanders anymore. This is a discussion about the general election, in which Bernie will not be a candidate. But thanks for playing.
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton: Polls Showing Sanders Could Beat Trump "Mean Nothing To Me" on: May 22, 2016, 06:40:19 pm
Oh I know, I'm not saying she needs to right now.  Just that I want to see it.  I'm hungry for some good old fashioned Clinton war games, the inclusive mother-bird Hillary is boring.

Lately I've been wondering what the fallout would be if she literally said "f-ck you" to Trump's face. Honestly, I see few downsides.

Imagine if, at the first debate, Trump straight-up calls her an enabler and woman-hater for being angry at her husband's mistresses.

"I've only said this to one other person: my husband. It was in a moment of real anguish. I cannot explain the feelings of betrayal and anger I felt when I found out my husband had been cheating on me and disrespecting me the way he was. I hope no one has to feel that, but those women who have sadly been in the same situation know exactly what I mean. And for you, Donald Trump, womanizer extraordinaire, to stand here and lecture me for simply having these feelings...  I'll say it again: F-ck you. You would be an insult to the office of the presidency."

BOOM.

One can dream. <3

I think we've seen enough of crazy angry Hillary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC4Pvm6Oj4A

You are this dopey?

20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton: Polls Showing Sanders Could Beat Trump "Mean Nothing To Me" on: May 22, 2016, 06:35:34 pm
Oh I know, I'm not saying she needs to right now.  Just that I want to see it.  I'm hungry for some good old fashioned Clinton war games, the inclusive mother-bird Hillary is boring.

Lately I've been wondering what the fallout would be if she literally said "f-ck you" to Trump's face. Honestly, I see few downsides.

Imagine if, at the first debate, Trump straight-up calls her an enabler and woman-hater for being angry at her husband's mistresses.

"I've only said this to one other person: my husband. It was in a moment of real anguish. I cannot explain the feelings of betrayal and anger I felt when I found out my husband had been cheating on me and disrespecting me the way he was. I hope no one has to feel that, but those women who have sadly been in the same situation know exactly what I mean. And for you, Donald Trump, womanizer extraordinaire, to stand here and lecture me for simply having these feelings...  I'll say it again: F-ck you. You would be an insult to the office of the presidency."

BOOM.

One can dream. <3
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton: Polls Showing Sanders Could Beat Trump "Mean Nothing To Me" on: May 22, 2016, 06:22:45 pm
This is the kind of attitude that might make her loose the election. Does she not know that this condescending tone just turns off Bernie voters from considering her?

What is she supposed to say? "Yes, he may be the stronger candidate?"

First you guys accuse Hillary of telling lies. Now she tells the truth and she's not being tactful enough. Some of these Sanders folks are so entitled, seriously. He lost. Hillary owes him nothing. And if it hurts your feelings when she assesses the situation honestly, it beats me how Bernbots could ever expect to actually face Trump from a position of strength.

Sanders has a base of support, whether Hillary and her team of establishment muppets like it or not. When she was in a similar position, she got State. What is she offering Bernie and his supporters? The same thing she's getting from them right now: a raised finger.

Um, pardon me, but Hillary's eventual nomination to State was not public knowledge in the April before the election. Roll Eyes

There very well could be some kind of offers extended. But let's keep it in perspective a bit: Hillary Clinton was a serious candidate with gravitas who kept the race close through almost the entirety of the 2008 primaries. Any other candidate in Bernie's position would have dropped out two months ago. He has been beaten.
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton: Polls Showing Sanders Could Beat Trump "Mean Nothing To Me" on: May 22, 2016, 05:26:15 pm
This is the kind of attitude that might make her loose the election. Does she not know that this condescending tone just turns off Bernie voters from considering her?

What is she supposed to say? "Yes, he may be the stronger candidate?"

First you guys accuse Hillary of telling lies. Now she tells the truth and she's not being tactful enough. Some of these Sanders folks are so entitled, seriously. He lost. Hillary owes him nothing. And if it hurts your feelings when she assesses the situation honestly, it beats me how Bernbots could ever expect to actually face Trump from a position of strength.
23  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who is more likeable ? on: May 22, 2016, 05:09:10 pm
"who is more likable, umbridge or voldemort?"

Yes, I have seen this meme. And the answer is unquestionably Umbridge. Like, objectively. By almost any measure.
24  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary floats new campaign slogan, "Stronger Together," on Meet the Press on: May 22, 2016, 03:26:22 pm
I suppose it's better than her previous campaign slogan. Did she even have a campaign slogan before?

Not necessarily a direct slogan, but the obvious central theme for months has been "breaking down barriers."
Not sure Bernie Sanders would agree her on that.

That may be so, but reality has always been a challenge for him.
25  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary floats new campaign slogan, "Stronger Together," on Meet the Press on: May 22, 2016, 03:06:18 pm
I suppose it's better than her previous campaign slogan. Did she even have a campaign slogan before?

Not necessarily a direct slogan, but the obvious central theme for months has been "breaking down barriers."
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