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101  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump spokeswoman: "So what?" on keeping muslims out. on: December 11, 2015, 02:31:23 pm
Leave it to Griffin to be the one person in this thread who would make me want to defend the GOP. Roll Eyes

For my part, I can no longer associate with the racism and bigotry, but I can still see why there would be reasons for "sane" people to want to support a Republican so long as they admit that it's not ideal.

Just more proof for my hypothesis that you never really left it! It just takes someone like me to draw out the poison. Kiss

Not really. I have areas where I support them and areas where I absolutely don't. I weigh how I value each issue, allow myself to be manipulated by personality politics, and then act accordingly when deciding who to support. In other words, I let myself make a choice. Others seem so attached to party dogma that they excuse themselves from having to think. Why should I be that guy?
102  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump spokeswoman: "So what?" on keeping muslims out. on: December 11, 2015, 12:11:40 pm
So someone in Maine can't really like Senator Collins and really like their state party and want to keep sending her to Washington - believing that she is truly good for Maine - without being complicit in whatever dumb sh^t other Republicans from completely different areas of the country say?  Sorry, not buying that.

If you value pork over policy, then you'd have a legitimate case.  Otherwise, the fact that she votes with her party 62.7% of the time and contributes to her party being in the majority (giving all of these nasty Republicans committee chairmanships and a larger say in policy) should be enough of a deterrent for anyone to the left of the current national GOP. 

Though from what I've seen Rocky boy isn't actually any more liberal than most of his party, he just likes being able to feel holier than thou and get moderate hero cred from red avatars.

Look, you hate right-of-center ideology.  I get that we're probably all the same to you.  But if "Rocky" were left-of-center, he probably wouldn't be a Republican, would he?  That doesn't make him just like every other Republican.  I'm pro-choice, for legal status to all illegal immigrants, for some sensible gun control, pro-affirmative action, for gay marriage and for legalized suicide ... but as long as I don't support more regulations on Wall Street, higher taxes on "the wealthy" or further empowering unions, I'm still a "right-winger pretending to be a moderate" to pretty much everyone on the left.  Meh.

"I hate poor people so much that I will vote for a party of racist conspiracy theorists." -Atlas Moderate Hero Republicans

^^^
This.

More like "I have some sane economic leanings" unlike the absurd leftists living fairy tale land.

You are in a party with Bigots and Racists. How is that sane?

They've always valued their pocketbooks over the lives of poor and disenfranchised people: that's literally the one common denominator of the GOP going back to the beginning (minus those first 15 years or so where they were radical socialists). You can't get mad at them for consistency!

Leave it to Griffin to be the one person in this thread who would make me want to defend the GOP. Roll Eyes

For my part, I can no longer associate with the racism and bigotry, but I can still see why there would be reasons for "sane" people to want to support a Republican so long as they admit that it's not ideal.
103  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who do YOU support in the GOP primary? on: December 11, 2015, 12:00:04 pm
When you have people like Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, Ben Carson, and Mike Huckabee on stage, they taint everyone else whether you like it or not. Same thing happened in 2012 to Romney as a result of Santorum. I think there's a pretty legitimate argument to be made that Donald Trump has already lost this election for the GOP. Then when you consider the incompetence of all the sane candidates like Jeb and Kasich and Rubio, it becomes clear that there's not an effective president among them... except, maybe, Christie, who's still a bully and still basically has zero chance.

And I will reiterate again that I think we have reached a point where it is clearly objectionable to still support Trump, regardless of whatever "point" there is to prove. We've got a candidate who is basically supporting Japanese internment. It's reprehensible to have any part enabling that, and I'm not sorry to call it out.
104  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump spokeswoman: "So what?" on keeping muslims out. on: December 10, 2015, 06:37:10 pm
In general Trump has the worst surrogates and spokespeople on cable. Not only do they seem to be loathsome people but they don't do a good job of staying on message. It is another sign of how slapdash his whole campaign is. But like having minimal ground game and almost no advertising it doesn't seem to hurt him.

More anti-Trump garbage from this site's moderators. Trump has a very good ground game, as has been repeatedly reported on in the media over the past few months, and can be objectively evidenced by the ease and speed which he has qualified for primary ballots.

No offence, Lief, because I like you and stuff...

But we're reaching a point where the ironic Trump support is untenable. He was a bigot before, but it wasn't exactly making its way into policy. He's crossed a line with his Muslim ban, and to still support him is to kind of be complicit in that. It's not funny anymore—just scary.

First and foremost I support fairness and honesty. The idea that Trump's organization is "minimal" is completely unfounded and there is mountains of evidence contradicting that. If people are going to spread misinformation, I'm going to correct it. My post made no statement, positive, negative, or otherwise, about Trump's views or policies. But the point of this subforum is to discuss the campaign, and people should've truthful and base their posts on evidence when doing so.

I'm talking in general, not necessarily in reference to that post. Anyway, are you confirming you no longer support Trump? Ironic support still helps give his ideas credibility.
105  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump spokeswoman: "So what?" on keeping muslims out. on: December 10, 2015, 02:11:58 pm
In general Trump has the worst surrogates and spokespeople on cable. Not only do they seem to be loathsome people but they don't do a good job of staying on message. It is another sign of how slapdash his whole campaign is. But like having minimal ground game and almost no advertising it doesn't seem to hurt him.

More anti-Trump garbage from this site's moderators. Trump has a very good ground game, as has been repeatedly reported on in the media over the past few months, and can be objectively evidenced by the ease and speed which he has qualified for primary ballots.

No offence, Lief, because I like you and stuff...

But we're reaching a point where the ironic Trump support is untenable. He was a bigot before, but it wasn't exactly making its way into policy. He's crossed a line with his Muslim ban, and to still support him is to kind of be complicit in that. It's not funny anymore—just scary.
106  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who do YOU support in the GOP primary? on: December 10, 2015, 02:07:51 pm
Yes, of these clowns we've reached the point where Christie is the least objectionable. That's pretty telling of the sad state of affairs in the GOP at the moment.
107  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone III - The Whinge Binge on: December 06, 2015, 06:19:43 am
Congrats, Tik, and best of luck!
108  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Does Anyone But dudeabides Use the Proper Titles for Poltiicians? on: December 05, 2015, 09:44:00 pm
Seeing as how Jeb is not currently a Governor, referring to him as "Governor Bush" is not proper.

I guess you're right. We should probably just refer to him as "Governor Bush" instead. Would make everyone's life easier.
109  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Gallup: Hillary Clinton Expands Favorability Lead Over Bernie Sanders on: December 05, 2015, 05:00:10 pm
I don't think most of the pro-Hillary Democrats on here hate Sanders. They just know that he's an overly idealistic dope living in a fantasy world.
110  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Paul Ryan's beard on: December 05, 2015, 04:55:43 pm
Actually looks really good! He looks quite goofy and babyish at times, but this stubble almost makes him a bit, dare I say, hunky? I approve.
111  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Bigger Misogynist? on: December 05, 2015, 04:49:33 pm
Obviously dudeabides.
112  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: What place is Christie *actually* in right now? on: December 05, 2015, 11:47:38 am
I'm not convinced the Rubio affair thing has to be true to do damage if there's enough smoke it'll scare the people who matter.
113  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone III - The Whinge Binge on: December 01, 2015, 06:29:39 pm
Despicable.
114  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: December 2015 - Who do you want to win? (Atlas Poll) on: December 01, 2015, 07:11:42 am
Hillary of course.
115  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Which phone is a better deal? on: November 29, 2015, 03:25:41 pm
Probably the second one, because it's an iPhone. Looking good matters.
116  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of the Previous Poster's Signature: The Wrath of Khan on: November 28, 2015, 06:30:53 pm
True, but not #aesthetic.

Tongue
117  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who is left? on: November 27, 2015, 09:50:16 pm
Trump, Rubio, Cruz, Christie, Bush... possibly in that order.
118  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Real Life Picture Thread (PAPOY Creepfest 2015) on: November 27, 2015, 03:57:42 pm

Thanks... you should post some pics too. Cheesy
119  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Newfoundland or Florida? on: November 25, 2015, 10:03:55 pm
Easily Florida.
120  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Favorite posters with same party/ideology on: November 25, 2015, 05:05:23 pm
I don't really know if there's anyone I'm totally aligned with on "all the issues," but there are people who I identify with just in terms of our shared approach to developing personal ideologies. I have convoluted moderate views that borrow from both sides in different areas. I'm not lost at sea, but from the outside looking in it might seem that I am.

The people who 1) I like, and 2) I would say are grounded in the middle but "fluctuate," are these guys:

Maxwell
Clarko
Oakvale
121  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump or Bush on: November 25, 2015, 04:52:55 pm
Jeb would probably be a decent president. I just think he's an exceptionally bad campaigner.

At some point in time, the GOP is going to need to make the shift on immigration and marriage equality. Of all the GOP candidates, I think Jeb is the only one who really understands this and would maybe be willing to play ball if he made it to a second term. And I think for the GOP to start seriously shifting on these issues, it needs to come from a president, as the office does command serious legitimacy. I highly doubt Jeb has the campaign skills to land himself in this position... but if he did, and managed in his tenure as president to implement centre-right fiscal policies, he really could make progress for Republicans in the arena of social issues. Maybe I'm too optimistic.

I also think a second-term President Romney would find himself in a similar position. Had he won in 2012, by 2019 we'd have a Republican president who supported SSM. I think so, anyway. And it's important.




Mind you, Trump probably already supports SSM, but he's only interested in the theatrics of the presidency so probably wouldn't be willing to put himself on the line as any kind of advocate (to the extent that a supportive GOP president ever could be one).
122  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who do you think will eventually win GOP nomination? and Why on: November 25, 2015, 08:41:48 am
Rubio or Christie.
123  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Just want to clairify something on: November 24, 2015, 05:16:42 am
Did you have sex re-assignment surgery?

That's the first thing you ask? What her genitals look like? I think the better thing to ask/say is "are you fully transitioned," because my limited understanding of trans issues tells me that it's more than just sex reassignment that's in play when talking about how the physical body meshes with gender identity... but I could be wrong. I guess I have no claim to be personally offended here, but asking what's down below strikes me as a pretty personal question; I always saw it as running the risk of sort of fetishizing a person and reducing one's identity to their sex organs. Plus, whether a person even feels like they need such a surgery to express their gender freely and confidently is probably complex and not something they should be cornered into explaining.

Anyway, best of luck with everything, CrabCake. Smiley I'm sorry I got a bit carried away above, lol.
124  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Which of the following terms would you use to describe your ideology? on: November 24, 2015, 03:33:28 am
Centrist (may be - slight fiscal conservative) on economy, but social liberal. Like  very old school North-East Republicans, who (or, more often,  whose children) are either Democrats or Democratic-leaning Indies now. I am closer to last category...

This.
125  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Kasich's Super PAC planning $2.5m anti-Trump campaign on: November 24, 2015, 03:29:05 am
kasich is too liberal for the GOP

*The GOP is too conservative for Kasich.
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