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101  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump responds to Khan parents DNC speech megathread on: July 30, 2016, 12:55:56 pm
More evidence that there is simply a right and wrong choice this election. There is no excuse for this. There is no excuse for defending it, either.
102  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton and Trum, Russian polls on: July 30, 2016, 12:16:39 pm
Is there a limit on the number of people you can ignore?

I'm having trouble adding more people, and it really is necessary this cycle between the Berners and the Trumpholes.
103  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Romney considers endorsing Gary Johnson on: July 30, 2016, 11:58:16 am
Why would they? Even formerly decent posters like Tmth have signalled that they are willing to do the mental gymnastics necessary to support Trump.
104  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Can we please talk about Hillary's intro video? on: July 29, 2016, 05:32:46 pm
Wow, you're just as much a creepy cultist as the Trumpistas are!  Neither of these candidates are good people, and it's SAD! that some people can be so easily fooled by a celebrity narrated video.

She's literally been fighting for the same selfless causes since she was a teenager. Try again.
105  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Do you believe that Donald Trump is racist? on: July 29, 2016, 05:30:45 pm
If it talks like one and walks like one, then it probably is one. And if it's not, it doesn't matter because it walks like one and talks like one.
106  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton Campaign Hacked on: July 29, 2016, 04:57:56 pm
Scary as f-ck. I think it's time to seriously consider abandoning voting machines. Before this November.
107  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Can we please talk about Hillary's intro video? on: July 29, 2016, 04:53:22 pm
Are you talking about the Morgan Freeman one?

Yep.
108  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Can we please talk about Hillary's intro video? on: July 29, 2016, 04:51:52 pm
Beautiful piece of propaganda. It gave me the feels.

But something I'm most interested in is the way they "did up" Hillary for her on-camera interviews that were woven into the narrative. They gave Hillary a look I don't think we've ever seen her have. Extremely casual, not very much makeup, very homey... I'm wondering how it might have played with the wider electorate and whether y'all think we'll be seeing more clips from that interview session. I know it's problematic to talk about a woman's "look" in politics, but obviously she'll be scrutinized for it, and obviously it does subconsciously affect the way people think of her, so I'm curious.

For my part, I think it was the most human she's ever seemed. Even the way she answered questions... it was just so personable.
109  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Pence: "I donít think name calling has any place in public life" on: July 29, 2016, 04:47:15 pm
Oh God, I can't wait for this to be used in attack ads.
110  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: This is the map on election night on: July 29, 2016, 11:38:01 am
Of course not. A win is a win and the VP choice is always part of the metrics of a campaign. Plus, for every voter he attracted in Virginia, there could have been one he turned off in Colorado. There's no way to really know why people vote how they vote.

It would be a traditional administration.
111  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: What's the Case for Hillary? on: July 29, 2016, 09:56:48 am
"But letting white kids flee schools with minorities is complete bullsh-t."

Thus the suggestion to start with really poor and dysfunctional school districts, where that specter will not obtain. And there is nothing wrong with a cocktail of approaches, including magnet schools, and creating a professional track for teachers, so those who are good at what they do, are very well paid, thus attracting more talented persons into the profession. We can experiment with various approaches. But let's get the ball rolling moving in the right direction. Let's do it now.

Which candidate, again, is willing to do the work and research to patch together the piecemeal plan that could begin to get this ball rolling...?
112  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: What's the Case for Hillary? on: July 29, 2016, 09:40:40 am
Hmm, maybe the fact that she actually has a higher education plan?

When she embraces school choice, and merit pay on steroids combined with firing incompetent teachers, at least for those trapped in down market zip codes where the educational choices are all bad, get back to me.

If the only issue that mattered out there were secondary education policy, and competence and temperament and so forth was something one felt free to ignore (it obviously isn't), I would vote for Trump in a heart beat. This is a really good example of why it is most unwise to be a one issue voter, now isn't it? Smiley

It's not even about the specifics of the issue, though. It's literally just about the fact that she has actually spent time thinking about ways to solve problems. I mean, that's the bare minimum for being president, and Trump can't even check that box off.

As for school choice... it continues to baffle me how this idea is thrown around as some sort of silver bullet for improving education, let alone that people seem to wilfully ignore the obvious shortcomings of the proposal. Which kids are the ones who will be most able to access different options? Likely not the Hispanic kid living in Buena Park being raised by a single mom with no car and three jobs. It's a recipe for the last hope of struggling schools to flee. That's not in the spirit of what public education is and is not going to solve anything at all. It exacerbates regional differences when we should be looking at equalizing them.

Dropping magnet programs into struggling schools is a good compromise that could actually bring rich kids in and lift the whole school up. That doesn't mean universal choice, though. It means having a few targeted programs in a school district that students can get into based on a variety of metrics. Subsidize bussing to the school. Include the local students in the program. Get the schools involved in community projects.

But letting white kids flee schools with minorities is complete bullsh-t.
113  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: What's the Case for Hillary? on: July 29, 2016, 09:04:12 am
Hmm, maybe the fact that she actually has a higher education plan?
114  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Democratic National Convention days 3 and 4 **live commentary thread** on: July 28, 2016, 11:18:44 pm
LOL, a C-SPAN caller just got on and said "the DNC was terrible. Hillary Clinton's suit was so white that I'm amazed IT WASN'T STAINED BY THE BLOOD ON HER HANDS!"

I wish I came up with that one.

Blood coming out of her wherever?
115  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Would Obama Pardon Clinton if She Loses the Election? on: July 28, 2016, 11:02:33 pm
Aw, I love the poorly educated.
116  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Democratic National Convention days 3 and 4 **live commentary thread** on: July 28, 2016, 11:00:35 pm
I love her.
117  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Democratic National Convention days 3 and 4 **live commentary thread** on: July 28, 2016, 07:37:36 pm
She probably should have been the first female VP.

I believe she's not constitutionally eligible, but maybe I'm wrong?
118  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Democratic National Convention days 3 and 4 **live commentary thread** on: July 28, 2016, 07:24:50 pm
This thread is dead, relative to earlier in the convention. I guess Sanchez must have seen how successful this convention has been and run off crying.
119  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will day 4 speeches be a letdown compared to day 2/3? on: July 28, 2016, 06:37:11 pm
She's going to be fantastic. Tonight may be the night she wins the election.
120  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Democratic National Convention days 3 and 4 **live commentary thread** on: July 28, 2016, 02:52:16 pm
Im very worried about the busters tomorrow. The fact that they chanted through Leon Panetta's speech means they're still a problem. Part of me thinks they're going to do the same to Hillary.

Her supporters in that room will come to her defense much more strongly than they ever have if that happens. Although I imagine it's definitely a thought that's scaring her and the campaign. I think it'll be under control.

Couldn't help noticing that somebody is a "D" now. Welcome to the club.

I'll switch back soon enough, but I just wanted to help reflect the fact that we've reached an age where there's only one party for people that have brains. It is a damn shame what the GOP has become.

You living in BC now or still Mississauga?

Vancouver Centre! Cheesy
121  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Expert: Russia (or someone else) could hack voting machines in Nov. on: July 28, 2016, 10:41:49 am
I mean, I'm not going to get jumpy about this, but it is legitimately troubling.
122  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Democratic National Convention days 3 and 4 **live commentary thread** on: July 28, 2016, 12:53:27 am
Im very worried about the busters tomorrow. The fact that they chanted through Leon Panetta's speech means they're still a problem. Part of me thinks they're going to do the same to Hillary.

Her supporters in that room will come to her defense much more strongly than they ever have if that happens. Although I imagine it's definitely a thought that's scaring her and the campaign. I think it'll be under control.

Couldn't help noticing that somebody is a "D" now. Welcome to the club.

I'll switch back soon enough, but I just wanted to help reflect the fact that we've reached an age where there's only one party for people that have brains. It is a damn shame what the GOP has become.
123  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Democratic National Convention days 3 and 4 **live commentary thread** on: July 27, 2016, 11:18:27 pm
Im very worried about the busters tomorrow. The fact that they chanted through Leon Panetta's speech means they're still a problem. Part of me thinks they're going to do the same to Hillary.

Her supporters in that room will come to her defense much more strongly than they ever have if that happens. Although I imagine it's definitely a thought that's scaring her and the campaign. I think it'll be under control.
124  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: USC Dornsife/L.A. Times Daybreak National Tracking: 7/25 - Trump +5 on: July 27, 2016, 11:01:25 am
It's just impossible to like Hillary, and I say this as someone who probably lines up with her views fairly closely (before she bent over and adopted some of sanders positions).

It really isn't. You just have to be open to cutting through the bullsh-t.

     In other words, you have to want to like her.

Well, you can frame anything that way. I frame it like this: If you decide to plug your ears, shut your eyes, and scream at the top of your lungs, of course you will not be able to see all the good she has done.
125  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: USC Dornsife/L.A. Times Daybreak National Tracking: 7/25 - Trump +5 on: July 27, 2016, 09:14:19 am
It's just impossible to like Hillary, and I say this as someone who probably lines up with her views fairly closely (before she bent over and adopted some of sanders positions).

It really isn't. You just have to be open to cutting through the bullsh-t.
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