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101  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Taking a break on: June 03, 2016, 09:23:48 pm
Lol, the forum has not drifted significantly left. It's just that the Republican Party has drifted so significantly right (or not even right, just insane) that it has left anyone with more than half a brain behind.
102  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: CLINTON EVISCERATES TRUMP on: June 03, 2016, 07:38:49 pm
This scripted speech delivered by a career politician surrounded by teleprompter screens will no doubt be the silver bullet that kills Trump's campaign!

That's not the point.  The point is that she unleashed the "fear" card, which is the most powerful card in politics, with brutal effectiveness.  There aren't many election cycles in which contenders can use it, but when they can, landslides are born.  Massive ones.

Americans are already afraid. They're afraid of what will happen to their nation if forced to endure another four years of pen-and-phone top-down liberalism.

You forget that some Americans aren't straight white males.
103  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Anyone who remains a Republican at this point is a Trump enabler on: June 03, 2016, 04:06:00 pm
To support Trump is to be complicit in the hatred he spreads. I have zero respect for anyone who does, and I don't care if that's bad. He has proven himself to be objectively terrible, and if you support him you are frankly wrong.
104  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: CLINTON EVISCERATES TRUMP on: June 03, 2016, 10:47:25 am
Lol at people here pretending Hillary Clinton has no credibility on foreign policy and Trump does.

People: Trump is not a qualified candidate for president. This is not a normal candidacy. There is no need to legitimize it or pretend he is of any sort of acceptable calibre.
105  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Describe a Romney '12 voter who supported Hillary in the primaries on: June 02, 2016, 03:48:18 pm
Someone who values competence.
106  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Republicans only.....Would you join Republicans for Clinton? on: June 02, 2016, 03:45:45 pm
Seriously?

Even if you put a gun to my head, I'd take the bullet to voting for Clinton.

That is one of the stupidest f-cking things I've ever heard. Not to mention, this is basically the attitude that prevents anything from ever getting done in Washington.
107  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will Sanders drop out next week? on: June 02, 2016, 10:33:14 am
I don't think so. He has already proven far too selfish.
108  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: What if Hillary doesn't get a "Bernie Bounce"? on: June 01, 2016, 10:34:17 am
Then f-ck Bernie Sanders to hell and back.

He's already gotta be one of the sorest losers I've ever seen, and the way he's built up this fantasy around his militant supporters who are unable to take no for an answer is just crazy. And it's also why the Republicans are in such a mess: The base has been reassured time and time again that impossible things can be accomplished. The Democratic Party does not need that, or the right will keep winning and winning and winning some more.

Long story short, this guy has hugely worn out his welcome.
109  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: HC: People say, ‘I really like you, I just don’t know if I can vote for a women' on: May 31, 2016, 08:14:52 pm
A lot of people in this thread should seriously be ashamed of themselves.
110  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: HC: People say, ‘I really like you, I just don’t know if I can vote for a women' on: May 31, 2016, 03:05:40 pm
She's playing the woman's card. This did either not happen or just one or two people said this.

Pointing out sexism is not playing the woman card.

Is she just supposed to take this sh-t silently and not say anything?

I mean, this is the kind of "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation that women have to confront in politics all the time. And to pretend that there's no issue here is a luxury that only comes with privilege.
111  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: NBC/SurveyMonkey national poll: Clinton 47% Trump 45% on: May 31, 2016, 10:39:38 am
It could be due to Trump's post-nomination bump, but these close nat. polls between him and Hillary is starting to become a trend. This should be troubling for the Democrats, who I bet thought this race would be a landslide a month ago against Trump.

Why would it be troubling? Hillary has had her worst stretch of time in a while and she still has a small but consistent edge. Her numbers will grow once Bernie is out. Not to mention, Obama and Romney were always very close in the national popular vote, but we saw what happened there: Built-in Democratic advantages took Obama over the edge. There's nothing to suggest that won't happen this time; in fact, the opposite is true, as Trump seems to have rejected data and ground-game organization outright.

If this is, on balance, what the race looks like when things are bad for Hillary, I'm more than optimistic.
112  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Bill kristol announces that someone will run third party on: May 30, 2016, 07:12:58 pm
I don't know if anyone's posted this yet, but Romney/Martinez seems like a good bet.

<3 <3 <3 <3
113  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton & Trump VP news LATEST: Manafort: Trump VP will probably be white male on: May 29, 2016, 11:26:39 pm
Announcing early could be beneficial. I doubt this is it, but let's think about it...

Hillary is at arguably her lowest low, and Trump benefits as long as he continues to make his run seem normal and legitimate. Nothing will be happening on the Democratic side for at least a week and a half. Rolling out a VP pick would give him all that time to build up street cred and begin defining himself before Hillary can do it for him.

Still, it's really early, and tactically speaking it might be even smarter to do it June 8th, immediately after Hillary begins the presumptive nominee, so that he can suck all the air out of the room/wind out of her sails.
114  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Politico interviews LBJ's ad men on: May 29, 2016, 09:59:02 pm
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Lloyd: I think Trump’s whole message — “Make America Great Again!” — is laden with racial undertones

wat

Maybe he partially sees it as "Make America White Again", which when you consider Trump's signature policy proposal of building a giant wall and deporting 11+ million brown people, isn't that much of a stretch in terms of interpretation. The statement alludes that America was once great way back when, but isn't now, and lots of his supporters may consciously or subconsciously interpret that as a time when whites were undoubtedly the dominant race in America and minorities "knew their place".

Of course I'm not saying that is what Trump's message is about (who really knows what Trump means about anything), but I can see why Lloyd may see racial overtones.

Is it not just Reagan's old slogan? I feel like that's quite a bit of mental gymnastics and assumptions to interpret it as "Make America White Again"

It's only mental gymnastics for a person like you. There were no "good old days" for women, racial minorities, the LGBT community, etc. Making it great again implies that things were better when the United States hadn't made as much progress on these fronts. It plays on the fact that a lot of white people feel threatened by the encroach of "the Other" into American public space.
115  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: The Candidates and Social Media on: May 29, 2016, 06:10:50 pm
Hillary made her Twitter in early 2013, so maybe that has something to do with it.

Also Tweets from Hillary was a thing back when people briefly thought she was actually cool.
116  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: What is the current state of the election? on: May 29, 2016, 03:29:59 pm
Current state? Well people are kidding themselves if they think it would be anything other than a Hillary win. Recent polling looks a lot like 2012. Toss-up to Democratic edge in the national popular vote, with the swing states very close but persistently D.

Honestly, if the election were held today I think the map would be almost identical to 2012.

Add to that the fact that this is probably the lowest Hillary will ever be at, and I'm optimistic. Scared as all f-ck, because Trump could still win, but Hillary's got the edge.
117  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: "Sanders wants two Clinton supporters removed from key convention roles" on: May 28, 2016, 01:29:58 pm
Could this guy be more of a sore loser?
118  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Opinion of this Anti-Trump video: "The Good Old Days" on: May 28, 2016, 12:45:47 pm
Very powerful and pretty much spot-on.
119  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: NYT: Internally, the Trump campaign is kind of a dumpster fire on: May 28, 2016, 11:11:13 am
"Making a play" for New York isn't about winning New York. It's about projecting a certain kind of strength to suburban voters elsewhere, like in the Rust Belt.

"Gee, if Trump thinks he has a shot at winning moderate/liberal New York, he must not be so bad!"

And it won't upset his hard right Southern voters either because they'll be impressed that he's such a #winner and going for broke.
120  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump: "There is No Drought" in California on: May 27, 2016, 06:22:16 pm
The kind of thing any other person would get crucified for saying.

This is what I mean when I say that the media is not giving him the type of coverage he deserves. His candidacy has been normalized and legitimized, when there's nothing normal about it at all.
121  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Shirtless Hillarybros distract her at California rally on: May 26, 2016, 07:42:08 pm
This is the second time this entire campaign in which Hillary seemed likable and genuine.

It's frustrating because those moments are closer to what she's actually like according to the people I know who've had anything to do with her personally.

Ugh. But it's a cute moment.

There are a lot of these moments though. There's so many videos her campaign has put out on Facebook of her laughing and joking with children and just being so genuine.

It's not that she doesn't put herself out there. It's that people see what they want to see.
122  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: CNN: Who in the world wants Trump to be president? on: May 26, 2016, 09:47:49 am
It's because Trump is getting fair coverage almost everywhere else. Reality is biased against him, and he is objectively unqualified. It's honestly a first, and it's terrifying.

Back in the United States though, the press is treating all this like it's normal. I sure hope he gets held accountable soon.
123  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Bernie says 'Game on' to debate with Trump. on: May 26, 2016, 01:14:44 am
Stupid f-cker.

Trump will use this to smear Hillary using Bernie's own words, right in front of him. And then what does Bernie do, since he's still trying to beat her? Agree? I mean, I doubt he'll defend her, unless the point is to use this debate as a way to pivot to being a surrogate...

But I doubt it.

More evidence that the man is all talk and only cares about himself, sigh.
124  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton & Trump VP news LATEST: Lewandowski hints pick will come from Congress on: May 25, 2016, 08:36:41 pm
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Politics1.com
‏@Politics1com
Trump unlikely to pick women/minority VP runningmate, per Trump camp mgr Paul Manafort: "That would be viewed as pandering."

https://twitter.com/Politics1com/status/735634266898341888

Yes, because of course these people just wouldn't be qualified. Clearly the only reason to pick a minority or a woman would be to pander.

Roll Eyes
125  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton & Trump VP news LATEST: Lewandowski hints pick will come from Congress on: May 25, 2016, 02:15:22 am
Put me on team Warren after seeing her latest speech. She is exactly what Hillary needs.
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